What people like Brian Hart and John Judd were able to achieve on shoestring budgets was amazing. A video on those two would be awesome (maybe including Mario Illien)
It really was great how many engine suppliers there used to be, including those private ones. Even midfield teams like Tyrrell could have their own works deals, instead of having to settle (and pay) for customer engines by default.
@@FrodoFett Yeah, Ilmor was originally Penske's in-house engine provider, and I guess still kind of is. It's also interesting to speculate if Mercedes-Benz would've even returned to F1 without Ilmor having an engine ready.
*imagined the entire scene of Megatron driving f1 car, then the megatron badged engine, blows up* *Megatron yelling to the mic to Starscream who's responsible for the engine performance/reliability*
Oh you have no idea how long I've been waiting for a video like this. I'm delighted to see the engine names that were on this list. Megatron (BMW), Tag (Porsche) Petronas (Ferrari) and Asiatech (Peugeot) especially stand out here.
I suggest that you do a video on weird engine suplliers overall. I think that at one point lamborghini was actually thinking of entering as an engine supllier.
They did; Lotus and Larousse in 1990, and a semi-works effort in I think '91 (which was spectacularly unsuccessful) with what were they called, Modena Team. And Minardi as well in '92
@@daverussell457 It didn't run like tractor engines. It was actually faster than the Ford-Cosworth V8 in 1993. But very very unreliable. McLaren was almost powered by a Lamborghini engine, and in testing by Senna after his demanded changes to the engine mapping. It clocked 2 seconds quicker than the Ford-Cosworth V8. But it was halted by Ron Dennis, that it might not be worth the risk of running a ticking time bomb engine for the entire season.
I genuinely miss that 90's-mid 00's rebranded engine era - whilst they were never that successful, I always liked how it kept engines on the grid, and teams stocked with engines towards the back of the grid when they wouldn't have had one otherwise. I didn't know what a "European" or an "AsiaTech" was as a kid, but all I knew is that they were powering my beloved underdog teams, so therefore I wanted to support them.
Mugen is a separate company from Honda. Honda isn’t able to just tell Red Bull to put the Mugen name on the engines, and Mugen aren’t involved in preparing or developing the engines like they were back in the 1990s.
Mugen Super GT NSX is actually got Red Bull livery, so they already working together. But I read an article that to step up as engine supplier for F1, Mugen simply does not have the resources
Man how about a vid on that fine for a Ricciardo upgrade slam? I cant find a damn thing on that anywhere. Considering current events it would be pretty interesting to hear more about his time at Red Bull.
I recall the Alfa Romeo-Osella story slightly different: In late 1986 Alfa Romeo became a part of FIAT which already is the mothercompany of Ferrari. So within the FIAT concern they suddenly had two totaly different F1 engine design's. More importantly Enzo Ferrari had signed the FIAT-Ferrari contract in the 60's after FIAT agreed that Ferrari will be the only F1 Team within the FIAT family. To avoid being blamed by the Italian press for taking away the little Osella Team their engine, Enzo agreed to let Osella use the Alfa Romeo engine in 1987. Of course there was no development on the engine, and for 1988 Alfa Romeo no longer wanted to be related to the bad performances of the Osella Team.
The Redbull Buru V6 Turbo Hybrid (Buru being the japanese word for bull) as a nod to its honda roots but realistically i think itll be something along the lines of "Red bull advanced technologies powertrains" and commonly known the as the "Red Bull" and be seen as a proper works team. i dont think theyll have to sell the name of the engine in a spending cap era
You know in the early 60's there was an engine supplier called Climax. It w was the engine that helped Jack Brabham (Brabham Climax) and Jim Clark (Lotus Climax) to win 2 championships respectively. Imagine having that name in our times ;)
6:40 I'm sorry for nitpicking but in 2001, heidfeld is more consistent, got a podium, and score MUCH MORE than kimi, yeah ofc kimi was a rookie and he's doing fantastic but give some credit to heidfeld pls, he is underrated enough and you decide to underrate him more by simply forgotting about him
Fun fact: in the 2000 season, all 11 teams had differently-badged engines, partly thanks to the Fondmetal/Playlife/Petronas deals. By 2014, there were only three different engine badges on the grid - Ferrari, Mercedes, and Renault. I really miss the engine diversity of 2000s F1.
@@Altern8One BMW and Toyota pulled out after 2009, Cosworth pulled out after 2013, and Honda didn't return until 2015. 2014 only had three engine suppliers.
I miss it too, although I understand how it came to this and it has some good aspects. I mean the Hart/Judd/Yamaha/whatever engine was notoriously underpowered, the client Cosworth engine usually had 5% less power than the works engine and certainly wasn't top notch even in that version (except in 94). Peugeot blew it (:D) a whole year before it got things right on a chassis that was probably close to its betters, became great with Jordan only to lose itself on a shitty Prost chassis. Mugen-Honda just...vanished, as it outperformed its mother company's engine initially. Lambo missed its only occasion to shine in 93, not that it would've been reliable either way. At least now when a smaller team pulls off a good chassis it may perform well outside of Monaco and other slow circuits. Having fewer engines means there's more cars on track despite having 6 fewer on the grid due to higher reliability (more cars finish each and every GP nowadays than in the 80s/90s) , and lower gaps between them on top. So the diversity ending is bad, but the outcome is pretty positive as a whole.
Hmmm...if Megatron engines weren't an homage to the Decepticon leader, maybe Red Bull should've called their engines Optimus (for the Autobot leader) or Starscream (for Megatron's second-in-command).
Top quality video. How many years/times did Mercedes put their badges on Ilmor F1 engines before they 100% took over the company? There was a great story of Ilmor testing for a big Indy Car race with Mercedes waiting at the gate with a truck load of stickers. It was quick, so they handed Ilmor a wad of cash, proceeding to rebadge it just in time for the race which iirc they won.
I predict that next years Red Bull's and Alpha Tauri's engine's are gonna have a weird name since Honda is pulling out. The cars are probably gonna say something like "powered by Red Bull"
Silly Red bull based idea? They do a Toro Rosso & name their 2022 units Reddoburus? I can work with that (Phonetic translation as I don't have a clue how to do Japanese typeface)
"Bullish" it's an aggressive name but tbh if for nothing else because you just know some commentator/reporter somewhere will slip up and say bullish!t on live tv 😂
Red bull sponsorship, Petronas sponsorship, BMW manufacturer backing, potential mercedes manufacturer backing, it could've been so different for the sauber team, if one of these partnerships worked out, they could be winning championships by now
What people like Brian Hart and John Judd were able to achieve on shoestring budgets was amazing. A video on those two would be awesome (maybe including Mario Illien)
It really was great how many engine suppliers there used to be, including those private ones. Even midfield teams like Tyrrell could have their own works deals, instead of having to settle (and pay) for customer engines by default.
It would be great to learn more about the Hart and Judd programs. Was Illmor a Penske funded project?
@@FrodoFett Yeah, Ilmor was originally Penske's in-house engine provider, and I guess still kind of is. It's also interesting to speculate if Mercedes-Benz would've even returned to F1 without Ilmor having an engine ready.
@@retardray5701 ilmor also built the Porsche TAG engines in the McLaren.
and a review of how Ken Tyrrell was able to go racing for so long on peanuts
(Megatron engine blows up)
*YOU FAILED ME FOR THE LAST TIME STARSCREAM*
*imagined the entire scene of Megatron driving f1 car, then the megatron badged engine, blows up*
*Megatron yelling to the mic to Starscream who's responsible for the engine performance/reliability*
Anyone else love the Sauber Petronas (and Red Bull) livery? Beautiful.
Yup the Red Bull Sauber Petronas livery is still imo the best Red Bull livery.
I really like the 2004 version of it
There's so many good Sauber Red Bull liveries. 1997 was a beaut
But still, any of them is better than the current Red Bull, Sauber, or Petronas livery.
Yes, their 1999 car was great with Parmalat also.
8:27 Yeah, Mechachrome has got to be one of the coolest names in racing.
Supertec also :)
Megatron ???😁😁😁
Megatron engines
I'd race that, idc about the performance, give me the megatrons
Just watch out for the sudden murderous breakdowns lol.
When engine fails: you fail me yet again Starscream!
An honourable mention should also go to Toro Rosso in 2017, their 'Renault' engines were badged as... Toro Rosso, for sponsorship purposes.
Haven't even started watching and I know this is gonna be a Banger
Red bull should call their engine "wings" .
Red Bull-Wings would make a nice construtor name too
Then if they supply those engines to people they could say "red bull gives you wings"
Honda wings are bikes.
There was an April fools joke (around 2014/2015)... That suggested Redbull would switch from Renault to an in house developed "wings" engine
@@dudagladuos or try Optimus Prime V8.
I was 11 in 1998 and never understood who Mecachrome were but I totally blamed them for Williams falling down the standings! 😅
The 1998 Williams was just the 1997 car adapted for the 1998 aero regs and grooved tyres.
Same Hahaha.
@@TheSt1092 yeah I know that now but as 11 year old in the pre Wikipedia days, I was pretty ignorant of F1 team development!
It’s all fun and games till there’s a “Honda concept by Mercedes amg” engine.
@Gideon Ratke No it's not... both the racing team and the powertrain team operate under Mercedes AMG
Not quite the same, but a certain Honda designed car powered by Mercedes engines turned out pretty, pretty good
@@beawatton technically Mercedes AMG is owned mostly by Mercedes Benz
@@dr.science_0177 and Mercedes Benz is owned by Daimler, doesn't make it the Daimler F1 team
@Gideon Ratke see t
Red Bull V6 will always sound odd; its like saying I drive a V12 Coca Cola
W16 Lucozade!
Not if coca cola had a works f1 team
I’ve designed a 14 cylinder vertically opposed engine. I call it 7 Up.
It sounds like a new variety of Red Bull
@@Scamuel31 name this Bumblebee V12.
My favorite: McLaren Honda GP2
Oh you have no idea how long I've been waiting for a video like this.
I'm delighted to see the engine names that were on this list. Megatron (BMW), Tag (Porsche) Petronas (Ferrari) and Asiatech (Peugeot) especially stand out here.
At 8:08 You missed out Ricciardo also winning the 2018 Chinese GP.
There was also the infamous Subaru engine, which was actually a Motori Moderni flat-12 engine that underpowered Coloni in 1990.
Then went to Andrea moda
Megatron: tuned by swiss-based *hiney murder*
thx youtube subtitles LOL
Imagine if AlphaTauri existed when the AsiaTech AT02 was around
AlphaTauri AT02 powered by AsiaTech AT02
I feel like red bull missed a trick by not using energy in "their" engine name...😂
They can use tht from 2022
@@deepakmenon1612 it's still honda for 2021 mate😂 the new name IS from 2022
@@rohitmurthy9666 yep from 2022 it's no longer Honda..
I suggest that you do a video on weird engine suplliers overall. I think that at one point lamborghini was actually thinking of entering as an engine supllier.
Minardi m192 1992 had a lambo v12
And the Lola LC90
They did; Lotus and Larousse in 1990, and a semi-works effort in I think '91 (which was spectacularly unsuccessful) with what were they called, Modena Team. And Minardi as well in '92
As others said, Lambo did supply F1 engines... but they ran like Lamborghini tractor engines.
@@daverussell457 It didn't run like tractor engines. It was actually faster than the Ford-Cosworth V8 in 1993. But very very unreliable. McLaren was almost powered by a Lamborghini engine, and in testing by Senna after his demanded changes to the engine mapping. It clocked 2 seconds quicker than the Ford-Cosworth V8. But it was halted by Ron Dennis, that it might not be worth the risk of running a ticking time bomb engine for the entire season.
I genuinely miss that 90's-mid 00's rebranded engine era - whilst they were never that successful, I always liked how it kept engines on the grid, and teams stocked with engines towards the back of the grid when they wouldn't have had one otherwise.
I didn't know what a "European" or an "AsiaTech" was as a kid, but all I knew is that they were powering my beloved underdog teams, so therefore I wanted to support them.
Kind of disappointed that Red Bull didn't decide to resurrect the Mugen name for 2022.
Mugen is a separate company from Honda. Honda isn’t able to just tell Red Bull to put the Mugen name on the engines, and Mugen aren’t involved in preparing or developing the engines like they were back in the 1990s.
Mugen Super GT NSX is actually got Red Bull livery, so they already working together. But I read an article that to step up as engine supplier for F1, Mugen simply does not have the resources
don't know why you even had expectations to begin with. Mugen wants nothing to do with F1.
7:10, yes! The Acer engine, even powering Ferrari to a world title :P
Fun Fact: Acer did released Ferrari edition laptops back in the 2000s. How the tables have turned lol.
Should rebadged the old Renault turbos in the 80's Optimus Prime to battle Megatron...
*Rise, my deception army and charge for the podium.*
I have been waiting for this video for so long.thank you
Clicked on this expecting TAG-Heuer to show up, was not disappointed
Man how about a vid on that fine for a Ricciardo upgrade slam? I cant find a damn thing on that anywhere. Considering current events it would be pretty interesting to hear more about his time at Red Bull.
TAG is my fav but you killed it with the Megatron joke
If I was Honda, I'd laser engrave all parts 2022+ with "HONDA OEM PART"
what if red bull wrote their name on the engine cover of next years car but in japonese?
So something like レッド ブル ?
@@Wizzkidwas assuming that does mean red bull yeah
@@Saturn185 Yeah it's literally just "Red Bull" written in Katakana
Retto Buro?
@@billyoswaritpookkanasut4316 close! It reads as "Reddo Buru"
I would love to see Redbull emerge as an elite engine manufacturer
BMW Megatron is such a cool name. 😂👍
I remember McLaren TAG, Sauber Petronas, Williams Mecachrome, Benetton Playlife & BAR Supertec etc.
This is a gem of a video
I recall the Alfa Romeo-Osella story slightly different:
In late 1986 Alfa Romeo became a part of FIAT which already is the mothercompany of Ferrari. So within the FIAT concern they suddenly had two totaly different F1 engine design's. More importantly Enzo Ferrari had signed the FIAT-Ferrari contract in the 60's after FIAT agreed that Ferrari will be the only F1 Team within the FIAT family.
To avoid being blamed by the Italian press for taking away the little Osella Team their engine, Enzo agreed to let Osella use the Alfa Romeo engine in 1987. Of course there was no development on the engine, and for 1988 Alfa Romeo no longer wanted to be related to the bad performances of the Osella Team.
I was surprised that Ilmor wasn't really mentioned in this one...
What about the 2018 chinese GP? Danny won that didn't he?
Yes the graphic at 8:13 is wrong
5:23 TRIM YOUR FINGERNAILS PAUL
Typical 90s smoker
Disgusting
The picture at 2:00 gives me strong Aston Martin livery vibes
Are you high?
Weird names but seems excellent.
Clearly the name of the RB 2022 engine should be: Bob.
8:09 you forgot the 2018 Chinese GP when Ricciardo put on an overtaking masterclass to win the race
The Redbull Buru V6 Turbo Hybrid (Buru being the japanese word for bull) as a nod to its honda roots but realistically i think itll be something along the lines of "Red bull advanced technologies powertrains" and commonly known the as the "Red Bull" and be seen as a proper works team. i dont think theyll have to sell the name of the engine in a spending cap era
Damn that 3-week break is hitting y'all hard
It's been hell
You know in the early 60's there was an engine supplier called Climax. It w was the engine that helped Jack Brabham (Brabham Climax) and Jim Clark (Lotus Climax) to win 2 championships respectively. Imagine having that name in our times ;)
Lotus Climax yes, but Brabham actually had Repco engines
@@lucianboros8081 Sorry you are right. Brabham won in a Cooper Climax his own car came later (and was powered by Repco). Thx for the reminder
We must return to Megatron
All hail Lord Megatron!
Don’t forget the Osella team also had a 4th place finish in the 1982 San Marino Grand Prix for Jean Pierre Jarier
I always though the Mclaren Gaytime was the weirdest engine name.
6:40 I'm sorry for nitpicking but in 2001, heidfeld is more consistent, got a podium, and score MUCH MORE than kimi, yeah ofc kimi was a rookie and he's doing fantastic but give some credit to heidfeld pls, he is underrated enough and you decide to underrate him more by simply forgotting about him
Ferrari should have used the name Deceptioncon for their old oil burners
😂
Fun fact: in the 2000 season, all 11 teams had differently-badged engines, partly thanks to the Fondmetal/Playlife/Petronas deals. By 2014, there were only three different engine badges on the grid - Ferrari, Mercedes, and Renault.
I really miss the engine diversity of 2000s F1.
Hey! What about Honda, BMW, Cosworth, and Toyota?
@@Altern8One BMW and Toyota pulled out after 2009, Cosworth pulled out after 2013, and Honda didn't return until 2015. 2014 only had three engine suppliers.
I miss it too, although I understand how it came to this and it has some good aspects. I mean the Hart/Judd/Yamaha/whatever engine was notoriously underpowered, the client Cosworth engine usually had 5% less power than the works engine and certainly wasn't top notch even in that version (except in 94). Peugeot blew it (:D) a whole year before it got things right on a chassis that was probably close to its betters, became great with Jordan only to lose itself on a shitty Prost chassis. Mugen-Honda just...vanished, as it outperformed its mother company's engine initially. Lambo missed its only occasion to shine in 93, not that it would've been reliable either way.
At least now when a smaller team pulls off a good chassis it may perform well outside of Monaco and other slow circuits. Having fewer engines means there's more cars on track despite having 6 fewer on the grid due to higher reliability (more cars finish each and every GP nowadays than in the 80s/90s) , and lower gaps between them on top. So the diversity ending is bad, but the outcome is pretty positive as a whole.
So, basically, unless you're already a top team, a rebadged continuation project generally isn't a good sign
Hmmm...if Megatron engines weren't an homage to the Decepticon leader, maybe Red Bull should've called their engines Optimus (for the Autobot leader) or Starscream (for Megatron's second-in-command).
3:51 An Arai helmet? Cool
Engine name like M4-A4 or SCAR-20 doesn't sounds bad... 🤔
The cringe factor of AsiaTech is almost on par with the cringe factor of my country and its KiwiBuild KiwiSaver KiwiBank and KiwiFarms.
Redbull should call their engine
"The Engine"
Imagine the originality
I always thought Playlife sounded like a brand of condoms.
Red Bull Caffeine Cans should do it. Nice accurate branding.
you should make a video of people or teams banned by F1
Honda in 2019: We're pulling out.
Honda in 2024: Yeah we're still here :-D
Weren't the Mercedes badged engines for McLaren still technically made by Ilmor until 2005?
The Porsche TAG engines in the McLaren were built by Ilmore, surprised you didn't mention that.
Who sees the title to this video, watches it and then gives it a thumbs down? How idiotic can people be?
Playlife is the silliest name for a racing engine ever. It sounds like a brand of lingerie
Well, it is a fashion brand from what I remember so it wouldn't be a stretch.
Red bull should call the engines something rediculous like “super mega hot dog number one cowboy space rocket USA engines”
Yeah or something like merc’ killer or similar
They should have called the engines 'Gives You Wings', dropped the word 'Racing' from their constructor name and run with Red Bull-Gives You Wings 😂
BMW didn't really "reverse" its decision to quit F1, Bernie simply took them to court and forced them to honour their contract
Top quality video.
How many years/times did Mercedes put their badges on Ilmor F1 engines before they 100% took over the company? There was a great story of Ilmor testing for a big Indy Car race with Mercedes waiting at the gate with a truck load of stickers. It was quick, so they handed Ilmor a wad of cash, proceeding to rebadge it just in time for the race which iirc they won.
11:47 hehe, a lot of people smiled when the revealing of the name Megatron is highlighted in this video.
Soon: Top 10 best fans in the world rated by Lewis Hamilton.
hahahahaha
Spoiler:
They are all the best.
Wtf is this circle jerk 🤦♂️
I'm sure it will be a diverse list.
I predict that next years Red Bull's and Alpha Tauri's engine's are gonna have a weird name since Honda is pulling out. The cars are probably gonna say something like "powered by Red Bull"
Excellent content as usual 👏👏👏
Silly Red bull based idea?
They do a Toro Rosso & name their 2022 units Reddoburus? I can work with that
(Phonetic translation as I don't have a clue how to do Japanese typeface)
Brabham having Repco supply engines which abbreviated means Replacement Parts Company
Rich Energy power units, duh
The Yamaha V10 engines that were used from 1993-1997 were badged Judd engines
Call them Spoon engines, Red Bull. Then F & F will anachronistically make sense.
You should do something similar but with cars (i.e. Hector Rebaque's Reaque 79)
"Bullish" it's an aggressive name but tbh if for nothing else because you just know some commentator/reporter somewhere will slip up and say bullish!t on live tv 😂
Cosworth: Our legacy will live on
Judd: lmao no
Yamaha: lmao no
All hail Megatron!🙌🏽
I think what will happen for Redbull next year, tag will probably want to do something that happened 2016-2018
Darn f1cars kept interrupting all those informative adverts
Megatron can have a race on weekend and battle against the autobot for weekdays lol
TAG Heuer won at China 2018 also with daniel ricciardo
Red bull sponsorship, Petronas sponsorship, BMW manufacturer backing, potential mercedes manufacturer backing, it could've been so different for the sauber team, if one of these partnerships worked out, they could be winning championships by now
Who cares about the engines? Those old cars look fabulous compared to the current ones!
That's not the topic of the video mate.
Red Bull should call them "Max"!!
I love megatron
Great content
Sauber being some kind of ferrari b-team powered by mercedes-benz should've dominated f1
I'm still wait for an "OPTIMUS PRIME" engine.... 🥸👍🏎🏁
Megatron. How ‘80s can you get 😜 brilliant
11:54 - Damn that would have been cool. DECEPTICONS MERGE (THE TEAM) FOR THE KILL!
RB should have called their engine Monster.
Damn I was looking forward to Redbull finally developing they're own ICE unit. Now we gotta wait until no earlier than 2024!!!
8:08 9 wins, actually. They also won the 2018 Chinese GP
Arrows-Asiatech🤩
Best combination of speed, chassis and engine power ever made.
They missed a trick by not naming the Megatron-engined car Drag Strip.