I prefer the CLA-76 over the UAD. While the UAD 1176 MkII is a significant improvement over the older Legacy versions, Waves and Chris Lord-Alge have done a fantastic job with their plugin. To me, the CLA-76 sounds softer and a bit ‘darker,’ which I really like. 😊
Deeper huh. Like how deep ?. A couple of feet ? Like spart me the hyperbolic BS, used it, didn't like it and most of the 10+ Grammy winning engineer swear by CLA. Should I say, the best engineer to ever mix a song, serban uses it. Nothing is too deep my friend, it's all in the ears of the beholder. 😉
Ya I agree. The Waves gets you that compressed vocal sound that you hear on so many modern records. It also does it so quickly. I find the UAD one can be a little finicky to get the settings right. Love the UAD LA2A and fairchild 660 though. I wonder how the uad LA2A stacks up to the Waves?
The new UAD LA-2A s are miles better than waves. I could never use waves LA-2A now. Also with uad you get three different LA-2A's, all with slightly different characters, some work better on some sources than others, I love having the options. But the main one, the "Silver" LA-2A is glorious
UAD for me. I find the CLA to sound a little more muddy. Imo the UAD is a tad closer to a real 1176. But in a mix you probably you won't hear any difference....
@@22rapper I dont know what you're talkin about or how much experience you have but I can 100% tell when something sounds more analog. its actually not hard to notice at all
I already have the LA2A and 1176 from the CLA series and find them both fantastic. Especially with the compressors, I don't find the UAD any better. Looks a little different with the EQs like the Pultec... but that's another story ;)
This just goes to show that we should all just trust our own ears when deciding if something is subjectively "better". The UAD version is significantly better to me. Every time the CLA came in, the signal made me feel tense. It's almost like I hear terrible aliasing on the waves plugin. I own both, but I usually always use the 1176 legacy because they removed the THD emulation for clean compression. If you are looking for more THD you can tweak the headroom on the UAD version btw.
hey, I found today doing similar tests that you need to drive the UAD about 12db harder into the plugin to get same results. This is for 12:1 ratio, remember that CLA also adjusts the threshold under the hood when you try other ratios, I will report back here when I know the amounts for the other ratios. This is why you noticed the CLA was loud. After matching them like that I found the UAD sounded the same as CLA but the CLA sounded 'flat' and dull in the high end. But yeah before doing that I also preferred the CLA!
hey just a follow up - sorry I got those numbers wrong - what you need to do is drive the UAD blueface 6db harder, then turn the HR knob all the way left, and then -9db on the output. It will then match CLA blueface pretty much exactly although it will sound like a better version of it! CLA76 is a great plug though for sure
@@meetplace - The HR knob was the solution! I was trying to match them today before I went looking for a video and found your comment. This method worked. Genius :) Before, the cla76 just sounded better at the same settings. When driving the UAD more to match, the noise floor went way up. But the HR knob + the level matching indeed made the uad sound like an even better version of the 76 afterwards. TY.
Ive been at it for years, sometimes I draw and sometimes I use automation modes and play with the plugin. Whatever feels easier in the moment, not a sign of inexperience thats for sure 🙏🏻
After watching this full video, reading the comments and going straight to my DAW… I can confirm that the UAD1176AE is the equivalent to the CLA76 😬😬 stay creative
I think you really need to do an actual 1:1 comparison. And I'm not talking about Input and Output knobs, those are probably going to be wildly different between the two. You need to do like 4:1 compression, Attack 4, Release 7; on both, and get the Input on each so they're both peaking at say, -6 dB reduction at the *same* biggest peaks, and then compensate on the Outputs on each, so that when you A/B them, we're actually hearing the comparison between the two units, compressing the same amount, and not volume differences, or even compression reduction differences, because -30 Input and -18 Output on Waves was lower than it was on the UAD. I know you were mostly going for that, but would be interesting to see. The section at 3:00 with the settings matched is pretty close, but, the UAD is definitely compressing more on the peaks than the Waves, and, it does sound lower in the mix, so probably needed the Output or just the fader on the track turned up some. That's one thing that makes doing these comparisons hard as well, we're comparing the input which is the compression amount, but ALSO the output which is the "transformer" magic and truthfully, going to color the audio as well. If the Outputs are hitting different VU levels on the 76 plugins themselves, it will affect the sound versus using the fader to volume match.
Lots of people think the uad plugins are better at emulating but really is only the gui that is more realistic. Not the actual sound. Most live test show waves is closer to the real things
Just because something is 'different' doesn't mean it's better; producers and sound engineers should all know that. For me, Waves is better, only because I've spent years climatising to it, so to my ears, I understand it more. Don't forget people, you still have the most powerful tools to create music that the guys of the 60s, 70s and 80s would have killed for! Use it wisely!
I have a number of plugins doing some saturation in my template for mixing. You can see all that in my vocal chain video ruclips.net/video/9pkfTMAk0sY/видео.html
да резкость убирает с вокала waves, только потому что там есть фильтр высоких частот, поэтому многим может показаться что по качеству uad лучше, но это не так
Ok....Im gona share a Secret.....you guys wanna physical comp inside of your DAW? Positive FET Comp + Nebula (N4 Acustica Audio Commercial Version) Tim P's U76 Pre Amp plugin after the Positive Grid Comp...you got a Physical FET inside the DAW
Which 1176 emulation did you prefer? Also, is there any other 1176 plugins that you would recommend I try out? Let me know!
I prefer a real 1176
FETISH by analogue obsession is incredible
@@henrybatchem4617 That Fetish 1176 is crazy good.
Cla have a digital harsh in mid frecuency, uad is open and more natural
I prefer the CLA-76 over the UAD. While the UAD 1176 MkII is a significant improvement over the older Legacy versions, Waves and Chris Lord-Alge have done a fantastic job with their plugin. To me, the CLA-76 sounds softer and a bit ‘darker,’ which I really like. 😊
I love both! but when I need something a bit dirtier I'll reach for the CLA stuff.
Majority of music listeners can't tell the difference. If the overall song sounds good then it's a job done right
exactly
The UAD has a deeper sonic sound print to me. I always turn to the the 1176 UAD when I can but CLA's version is more convenient.
Deeper huh. Like how deep ?. A couple of feet ? Like spart me the hyperbolic BS, used it, didn't like it and most of the 10+ Grammy winning engineer swear by CLA. Should I say, the best engineer to ever mix a song, serban uses it. Nothing is too deep my friend, it's all in the ears of the beholder. 😉
Ya I agree. The Waves gets you that compressed vocal sound that you hear on so many modern records. It also does it so quickly. I find the UAD one can be a little finicky to get the settings right. Love the UAD LA2A and fairchild 660 though. I wonder how the uad LA2A stacks up to the Waves?
The new UAD LA-2A s are miles better than waves. I could never use waves LA-2A now. Also with uad you get three different LA-2A's, all with slightly different characters, some work better on some sources than others, I love having the options. But the main one, the "Silver" LA-2A is glorious
UAD for me. I find the CLA to sound a little more muddy. Imo the UAD is a tad closer to a real 1176. But in a mix you probably you won't hear any difference....
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Uad sound more open and transparent, more analog sounding than cla
Ear can't detect if something sound more analogy maybe more warm
@@22rapper I dont know what you're talkin about or how much experience you have but I can 100% tell when something sounds more analog. its actually not hard to notice at all
I already have the LA2A and 1176 from the CLA series and find them both fantastic. Especially with the compressors, I don't find the UAD any better. Looks a little different with the EQs like the Pultec... but that's another story ;)
This just goes to show that we should all just trust our own ears when deciding if something is subjectively "better". The UAD version is significantly better to me. Every time the CLA came in, the signal made me feel tense. It's almost like I hear terrible aliasing on the waves plugin. I own both, but I usually always use the 1176 legacy because they removed the THD emulation for clean compression. If you are looking for more THD you can tweak the headroom on the UAD version btw.
The waves version sounds completely different especially on the mid range. Definitely hear more harshness
I find that Waves plugins do have a midrange harshness to some of them.
Actually I like the Legacy UAD version of 1176LN the most. It's doesn't have any saturation emulation which is what I want most of the time
word!
hey, I found today doing similar tests that you need to drive the UAD about 12db harder into the plugin to get same results. This is for 12:1 ratio, remember that CLA also adjusts the threshold under the hood when you try other ratios, I will report back here when I know the amounts for the other ratios. This is why you noticed the CLA was loud. After matching them like that I found the UAD sounded the same as CLA but the CLA sounded 'flat' and dull in the high end. But yeah before doing that I also preferred the CLA!
hey just a follow up - sorry I got those numbers wrong - what you need to do is drive the UAD blueface 6db harder, then turn the HR knob all the way left, and then -9db on the output. It will then match CLA blueface pretty much exactly although it will sound like a better version of it! CLA76 is a great plug though for sure
Damn thanks for the research!
@@meetplace - The HR knob was the solution! I was trying to match them today before I went looking for a video and found your comment. This method worked. Genius :) Before, the cla76 just sounded better at the same settings. When driving the UAD more to match, the noise floor went way up. But the HR knob + the level matching indeed made the uad sound like an even better version of the 76 afterwards. TY.
CLA sounds more of a radio sound & UAD is more warm analogue sounding
Your saying one is warm and the other is not? Radio is analog gear feed to digital converter to computer to play over air waves
I find the complete CLA series very good. The LA2A from Waves is also very good, even the noise (which the hardware also has) can be emulated.
To this day always blown away by the CLA series
Can’t believe he started drawing automations in the video.
That’s a typical novice editing thing, I haven’t checked his newer videos because this is my first one from him, but he’s probably improved
@@andrewrice3576 I realise now I sounded very harsh. Everyone is learning. I hope he did improve 🫶
Ive been at it for years, sometimes I draw and sometimes I use automation modes and play with the plugin. Whatever feels easier in the moment, not a sign of inexperience thats for sure 🙏🏻
After watching this full video, reading the comments and going straight to my DAW… I can confirm that the UAD1176AE is the equivalent to the CLA76 😬😬 stay creative
I think you really need to do an actual 1:1 comparison. And I'm not talking about Input and Output knobs, those are probably going to be wildly different between the two. You need to do like 4:1 compression, Attack 4, Release 7; on both, and get the Input on each so they're both peaking at say, -6 dB reduction at the *same* biggest peaks, and then compensate on the Outputs on each, so that when you A/B them, we're actually hearing the comparison between the two units, compressing the same amount, and not volume differences, or even compression reduction differences, because -30 Input and -18 Output on Waves was lower than it was on the UAD.
I know you were mostly going for that, but would be interesting to see. The section at 3:00 with the settings matched is pretty close, but, the UAD is definitely compressing more on the peaks than the Waves, and, it does sound lower in the mix, so probably needed the Output or just the fader on the track turned up some. That's one thing that makes doing these comparisons hard as well, we're comparing the input which is the compression amount, but ALSO the output which is the "transformer" magic and truthfully, going to color the audio as well. If the Outputs are hitting different VU levels on the 76 plugins themselves, it will affect the sound versus using the fader to volume match.
Lots of people think the uad plugins are better at emulating but really is only the gui that is more realistic. Not the actual sound. Most live test show waves is closer to the real things
I love this kind of comparation wave wins
Just because something is 'different' doesn't mean it's better; producers and sound engineers should all know that. For me, Waves is better, only because I've spent years climatising to it, so to my ears, I understand it more. Don't forget people, you still have the most powerful tools to create music that the guys of the 60s, 70s and 80s would have killed for! Use it wisely!
What else is causing the saturation on his vocals?
I have a number of plugins doing some saturation in my template for mixing. You can see all that in my vocal chain video
ruclips.net/video/9pkfTMAk0sY/видео.html
CLA-76 is based on a miswired blue stripe. I have the hardware version by black lion audio
I track with a 1176 and I just can’t use the Cla, so muddy and fuzzy, uad is much cleaner
for me wins 1176 UAD
it feels like american hip hop's sound for my ears
I love that sound
Since I don't own UAD Ima go with CLA By the way the song is Fire!!
Thanks man! Check out FANFAN !
well the rev e is a lil different then the CLA76. The UAD 1176 AE and CLA76 are more of the same . The RevE has a different sound
can´t hear the difference, i blame YT quality
How about some country and western or something man?
cool video! bro what's the name of the track? I would love to hear it in its entirety.
I don’t believe this song is out actually. FANFAN is the artist on spotify
Cla1176 best comp plug in for me
don't use the start me up setting on cla, of course it will be louder, because it's already start you with something...
да резкость убирает с вокала waves, только потому что там есть фильтр высоких частот, поэтому многим может показаться что по качеству uad лучше, но это не так
They are both useful in their own unique ways!
I did a test between Waves 1176 Blue, PA Purple, and Nebula SIGNALTONOIZE stripe 76...they are very close, but Nebula wins!
Never heard of Nebula!
@@mixwithjacob Acustica Audio Nebula. Hardware convolution emulation
to me CLA 76 sounds a little bit better on vocals uad sounds nice too but i heard good things about ARTURIA 1176
Oh nice I haven’t heard of that! I’ll check it out!
Well cla sounds louder but also cheaper.. ua is cleaner, just add some other plugin together with ua and the waves plugin is left in the dust… 😊
904 Yundt Well
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Ok....Im gona share a Secret.....you guys wanna physical comp inside of your DAW?
Positive FET Comp + Nebula (N4 Acustica Audio Commercial Version) Tim P's U76 Pre Amp plugin after the Positive Grid Comp...you got a Physical FET inside the DAW
Not the Waves - unless you LIKE paying for an update whenever you upgrade your OS.
Yes I agree that the waves updates are a pain. But I LOVE waves plugins 🥲
ฟังปุ๊บไปกดซื้อ UAD ปั๊บเลย
I wish i could understand this 🤓
i think gem is best
Waves is better because you can use it without any dongles like “accelerators” , interfaces etc
Yeah! I agree!
UAD 1176 is on Spark, i.e. you don't need the glorified dongle which is the UAD hardware
They work natively so you don't need nothing but a debit/credit card now.
Nope, but CLA is good in it's own right just not as good as UAD.
The CLA gives me the feeling I like more than the UAD, but If i want clean and less saturated/agressive ill go for UAD!
U are lying to your self bro? Ahaha why?
😂😂 to each their own
Just because it cost more doesn't mean it's better more money doesn't equal good sound.