SAVE THE MANUALS! 7-speed Porsche 992 tested & complete history of stick shift 911s
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At last, the manual Porsche 992 is here! Stick shift may well have been available in the States for the last year or so, but more stringent EU emissions legislation has meant the 'box has needed a bit more work before Porsche could get it on the road in Europe. So, after TWO YEARS of 992 production, is the manual transmission worth the wait? And has Porsche at last perfected the 7-speed stick shift after nine years of trying?
I sample one of the first manual examples of 992 Carrera S in the UK to find out, after giving you a detailed run down of the history of the manual transmission in the Porsche 911. Thanks to Porsche Cars Great Britain for the loan of the 992, and Paragon GB for the loan of the 2.0-litre 911, 993 Cab, and 991.1 GTS.
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I have never driven a Porsche, can't afford to. But I am equally all for manuals and generally get upset that the more lucky ones may have a hand in making it disappear for the ones that still want to make the dream come true and finally have the chance to drive or even own such a masterpiece. So thank you for fighting for it and making this video so we can feel with you!
I passed on a 991 manual last year. Still kicking myself Hope the carerra t will be manual. Great video.
I don’t care how good PDK is. I cannot imagine buying a 911 without a manual transmission
I used to think that until I got dodgy knees, still miss my old one but couldn’t drive it in traffic anymore ☹️.
Good for you PDKs are great Fast and Boring. Emphasis on boring.
Me neither. Won’t buy another 911 unless it has a manual.
Yes! Exactly!
@@HawkMillFarm well, that's a particular (and very understandable) situation.
10% here. 992 C4S Manual, no Clunkiness. 👌🏻
Excellent!
And here we go! F1 from Bahrain and That 911-guy🥇👌🏻❤️
Love this.
Great summary, I'm at 2700 miles in my manual 992 2S and loving every one of those miles.
Good to hear, Alister! Enjoy.
Very nice. What colour did you go for?
@@andrewhurstcars white. Nothing fancy.
I ordered my S with manual two months ago... still waiting for it !
Love it. And love the short history 👍🏻👌🏻
Only from a view perspective it is so much more rewarding to see that nice stick on the central cockpit, I Madame the wrong choice with that fabulous gear box.
Excellent video Lee! I also cannot currently fathom having a Carrera without a manual transmission, at least not until I'm about 80 years old or so...and maybe not even then!
8:50 - sports exhaust is not included with the manual transmission.
I was going to point this out :)
Fortunate enough to have taken delivery of new 992 4gts manual. It is so much better than my previous PDK models; more engaging and fun to drive. I wish I had made the change sooner.
Another great video Lee. Glad to see Porsche has fixed this clunking issue!
Nice review - Just ordered a manual T and think it might be the attainable drivers 911. Grandmother and kids refused to be sold to get a GT car.
amazing content, one day i hope to own a manual 911
991.1 C2S 7spd MT here!
Good video. Thanks for taking the time to make it and to go through the history part too.
Cheers Amber! Comments like that make it all worth it.
@@9WERKSTV also she's very pretty 😁
I just ordered a 992 Targa 4S with 7MT, super excited about it!
And i just ordered my 992 Carrera 2S in 7MT as well. We're doing our part!
Great video and channel. I recently polled my viewers and asked them if they would rather have a manual or PDK. Only 21% of respondents said PDK. “God save the manuals!” Stick shift only for me personally as well. Keep it coming. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for the kind words. Great to see love for the manual is alive and well. It seems choice when speccing comes down to practicality, which suggests more are using their 992 as a daily - awesome!
Manual every time for me. Cheers Lee
Enjoying my 992 targa manual, such engagement. My first 911. Only comment is that the gear linkages are audible with the roof down on some changes...
997 driver here. Gotta say your Little Irish is the best looking 996 I’ve seen. Great!
Thanks John, I appreciate that!
Most of the Carrera T in PDK were ordered that way by Dealers. I'm fairly certain that most custom ordered ones went with 7MT. Me included. ;)
Unfortunately the third pedal is vanishing, I work in automotive engineering. It actually started pretty recently in the EU, about 10 years or so, technology has finally caught up to European customer demand. Thankfully proper hot hatches are still offered with manual shifting, I've tried many autos from dual clutch to the 8 speed ZF, can't enjoy any of them. Manually shifting makes even a dull drive enjoyable.
I don’t understand why Porsche released the stick shift version in the S rather than the base. At a certain power level, the PDK makes a lot of sense. The base engine is powerful but doesn’t overwhelm. The stick shift encourages the driver to wring the performance out of engine and therefore seems more a natural pairing with the base car.
Logic is sound
So they can sell the Carrera T now 😅
I don't have a Porsche, but I do have a Chevrolet SS (A.K.A Holden Commodore SS-V, A.K.A. Vauxhall VXR8) with a Tremec TR6060 6-speed manual. Only way to go.
watched your video many times and after having a 991.2 C2S in pdk have opted for a manual 992 GTS .. PDK as good as it is frustrated me.. the aggressive kickdown was my major gripe when overtaking.. the simplicity of a manual is key. great review!!
My prediction is that manual 991 and 992 generation 911 cars with a manual will be worth anywhere from double to three times the value of pdk transmission cars based mostly upon the rarity.
Further confirming my purchase for the 991.2 Carrera T. These cars a wildly underappreciated, but I suspect not for long. My car only weighs 3,050lbs with a few options.
Great video, thanks for the perspective. I have a 992 C2S manual on order, hopefully Covid doesn’t destroy that as well.
Again, great video. Nothing against the PDK, it is spectacular, but I’m a middle aged guy, not a race car driver and the manual is about how it makes you feel
Great to hear you'll be in the 10%! Agreed, as with any driving outside of a race track, it's all about emotion.
@@9WERKSTV : with the purchase of M Patel were up to 10,1 % now. :-)
Great video, enjoyed that. Porsche just keep on delivering great road cars. I ordered my 997 Turbo with a manual gearbox back in 2008. Great memories.
Thank you!
Very interesting review. Thanks for the history. I have owned a manual 911 for 17 years and still enjoy it. I do believe however, that the 992 manual is an afterthought on the part of Porsche. The gear change surround does not fit the rest of the centre console and there's a cupholder right where your elbow would be when changing gear!
I do however think the console fills out and looks better with the 7MT, and although i agree with the cupholder comment, you can replace that with the flush tray pocket that's included.
Don't worry...the manual will return in the base Carrera...T when it is released.
Hope so
Let's hope so.
Is this just in the UK? I’d love a base Carrera 4 in the United States.
Great video and review!!
How about the gear ratios? Are they "annoyingly" long (like on the GT4 for instance)?
Great film, very informative #savethemanual
NOW I love the 992.
Yes!
Great background of the manual trans in the 911 - just enough info without any droning 😉!
Thanks Terry.
10:00 I agree. In sport it should be disabled or at the very least an option to do so. I wonder how much you can change with an ECU update?
I love my 991.2 7spd Carrera, and it came w/o sport chrono so I am always doing the throttle blips/ heel toe myself no matter what mode I am in! I think they shortened the gear stick itself like they did in the Carrera T but not many other changes. I did test drive a 991.1 7 spd and it was not near as good as the 991.2 even though it is the same gear box. Mine is also my daily!
I appreciate the feedback on your own experiences, the 991.2 does offer an improve over 991.1.
Always great reviews , thank you !
Agree with that, since mostly that would buy a stick are hardcore enthusiast, at least porsche should put an option to disable it on sport and sport plus.
Real man drives manual 💪🏼
Great video! What watch are you wearing?
Well done., really enjoyed the review!
Thank you!
Can you comment? That looks like a Gentian Blue with the Iceland Green and Black interior. What did you think of that combo. Unfortunately Porsche doesn’t offer the chalk interior with black only Grey. So for a black dash and light seat you have to get Iceland. In some shots it looked green, others quite light.
Great vid man, 👍🏼
Thank you!
Excellent review
Thank you!
Great video and I have subscribed. Stephen
Great video! Very informative
Nice review. Stick shift makes even more of a nonsense of the central cup holder, what were Porsche thinking about with that!
Thanks! And agreed, though the 991's solution of putting it over the PCM unit was equally as silly. Unfortunately many press cars I have had have acquired a coffee-scented centre console.
Carrera with a manual ... are they saving it for the 992 T ?
I'd speculate so.
Having 5 freakin slots for upshifts is just ridiculous.
R, 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th. 😂
There is even a vid with the Carrera GT that only has 6 gears and the driver said he mistakenly shifted into 5th vs 3rd.
I think Porsche has one of the best manual shifters too pertaining to their 6 speed but some have complained that the early version of their 7 speed gates were just too close together.
I still have my 6 speed 3 pedal E46 M3. It’s good enough for me to satisfy my rowing through the gears. I don’t recall ever shifting into the wrong gear either.
My F430 is F1 and it shifts fast enough too. I don’t like Ferrari’s ball shifter click gate. Many have issues going through the gears and 1st to 2nd is often difficult to engage.
Is it hard doing it with the left hand? As a weekend car could be fun, but I drive a manual as a daily car. Can't imagine doing it with my left hand
how to engage 7th gear?
Spot on
Silly question but what is the watch your wearing ??
Was that a standard jetta they used for the interior camera shots ?!? Why would you do that
Hey how is that interior specd? The colors contrast really well
I haven't driven an 992 but I love my manual 991.1. I do not find the gearchange "clunky".
Me neither.
Lucky you, Andrew! How many miles has your car done? The press cars I drove at the time of release were all on baby mileage, perhaps it loosens up over time.
@@9WERKSTV 60k. :-)
@@andrewward7042 Great mileage! Keenly driven, well done. I can only (and will ever only) go from my own experiences, and report what I find. Encouraging to know with more miles on the gearbox improves.
What watch is that mate?
Is Sports Exhaust thrown in with the manual did you say then?
Prepare for a 992 Carrera T with the base engine, the mechanical LSD, the manual gearbox and some cosmetic stuff included for £90K.
So how is the gearing on this? Manual Porsches like the gt4 is getting alot of criticism for it being so long..
Do you have to spec sport chrono to havecrev match on the manual?
SC is included when opting for manual 992
What Nord Mann said!
With the manual shift you can not put anything in the cup holder.
What is best ? C2 or C4 ?
Great vid as ever Lee. Unfortunately I’m afraid I’ll never have the money for a 991 or 2 so I’ll stick with my beautifully analogue 996.1 Interesting to hear if you have a short shift kit on your 996 Lee? 🤔 I believe the GT3 SSK is good or even just a 997 version for a bit more precision? I don’t want that clunkiness just nice precise shifting. What have people gone for? 🤔
I just had the 997 SSK shifter fitted to my 996. Brilliant upgrade. It’s like a rifle bolt.
I do indeed have the Porsche short shift kit, it's a lovely throw, very precise (once warm).
@@dom24363 think it’s definitely going to have to be done and was looking at 996 GT3 or 997 SSK Thanks fir the reply 👍🏼
@@9WERKSTV Thanks Lee, I’d heard that it can be clunky till warm. You on the 997 or 996 GT3 kit or different one?
12:00 We all say that. And I am right there beside you SAYING that because gosh i feel its true however... If they did do that it would take away from the S sales which its the only reason i upgraded to the S was for the manual. All they would do is move sales from the S to the base equating to a lower profit for the brand. I do not think any new buyers would hop on because its still so damn expensive. This is not a Supra even in base guise, its 100k+ US. No no what they have done is smart. Even tho id love a base manual.
i want this on my octavia :))
What is the gearing like Lee?
Same as the 991, Shaheen. 7th is more of an old-school overdrive for the motorway, it's super long, otherwise ratios 1-6 will be fairly familiar to 911 owners.
The only thing is, you are doing 80 mph at the top of redline in 2nd gear! Meaning in the UK, there’s almost nowhere to wind it out, other than that, the manual is the better option for the best driving experience.
My 991.1 (2015) manual has a really strong centering spring action, something that does bug me a bit, although I'm used to it after 5 years! What's the 992 like?
Yes I always struggled with that on the 991.1. On the 992 it's dialled right down, which helps for a freer shift when selecting gears.
Please save the manual gearboxes!!!!
🤣🤣🤣
Love the 7 speed excellent manual history review of the 911. I disagree with you about the 3 pedals available at the base level. It should be a premium making the vehicle more valuable especially at second sale.
Thanks! And it's good to disagree… life would be boring otherwise.
I’m telling you guys right now. If you want a car that’s going to go up in value in the next 10-15 years, buy a sporty car with a manual transmission right now!
Automatics have saturated the market, due to demand, and manuals are getting rarer and rarer with every year that passes by. There are still a lot of people (aged 25+) who grew up with manuals, and when these people become older, and are looking for a mid-life-crisis car, they’re going to reminisce about the good old days driving a manual, and will start paying good money to have those memories back. Get a manual now!
Given that a modern 911 is a completely different vehicle compared to the classic 911s, does having a manual modern 911 really provide the mechanical satisfaction of the classic models?
The issue is probably that most people that want to buy the manual are buying the cars used. I can’t afford a brand new Porsche but when I buy one used it will certainly be a manual
If the shifting action is too smooth or too easy, does it make it less rewarding?
Good question! No is my answer, rather it should make it more rewarding by offering better engagement.
Allein perfekt ist gut genug: Handschaltung & frei saugender Motor.
Porsche would no way be giving away transmissions, and the cost of the PDK would, of course, be factored into the asking price. Anyone buying new would be mad to not negotiate a sizeable discount if buying a new car.
While there are still a loud minority who want manuals in modern daily drivers, more drivers want the PDK. Porsche is not leaving money on the table ;)
That’s a big knob.
Have driven both. PDK wins hands down in every respect. Faster, more efficient and frees you up to enjoy driving the car without having to use arm and leg muscles to inefficiently go through the gears. Why anyone would want to install engineering from the first half of the last century in a technological masterpiece like the 992 is beyond me (and most 992 buyers).
Part of the problem is that you can't get the manual in the base cars.
Spare a thought for Australian enthusiasts - manual will not reach our shores at all, except for the GT cars! Hopefully the Carrera T will be available in manual form in Australia, but I’d prefer a manual Carrera S. It’s a bit sad not to have the same choice as other markets, especially when the price of a 911 here is close to double what it is in the USA and UK.
Wow! I did not know that, I'm sorry to hear that Peter. Has Porsche given a reason for that?
Porsche 911 or any sports car without a manual transmission sounds lame AF
Will worth 50% more in 10 years, compared against the PDK.
Manual is obviously the sweet spot, but doesn’t anyone think these cars are just too big now in comparison to the older cars.
So I don’t have autoblip on normal driving mode? Nonsense! I want the blipper in all modes and all times, even with the esc off.
Learn how to use a manual gearbox and do it yourself
@@hollowaysteve this is supposed to be luxury sport, not a peasant mobile. Car do some of that heavy lifting for me.
@@tonymcflattie2450 PDK for you then.
@@hollowaysteve agreed. The nice thing about my 981 gt4 is the sport button independently turns the blipper on or off.
@@tonymcflattie2450 For sure, but this is all about the manual and TBH, I don't want auto blipping on a manual car. There's no point as it takes away from the interaction, and frankly, if one has to have auto blip on a manual then they've made the wrong choice of gearbox.
I only drive manuals. If I were to buy a 911 it will have a Manual. Why I have no interest in the 911 Turbo..
Yeah, but I still want that Turbo S......🤣
A real driver focussed car 100% needs a manual transmission. “Ein echtes fahrerorientiertes auto benötigt zu 100% ein Schaltgetriebe”. God bless the manual gearbox!
wonderful. Though, shame about it being ugly.
I bet it’s lighter then my ‘04 GT3 box 🤣🤣
Haha! It most definitely is!
Even Jaguar don’t offer the re skinned F type in manual! This is not the USA it’s the bloody UK with thousands of B roads! Come on guys stop spoiling our fun & if you want our hard earned cash then give us the options. All my cars & bikes are manual because I love driving.
Sorry , but you don't need 7 gears when you only allowed 100 km/h !
I prefer the PDK for the same reason I like ABS, pasm, traction control and torque vectoring and I am sick and tired of all those so called enthusiasts raving about the manual.
And I have driven some of the finest manuals ever made including the original NSX and the Honda S2000.
My 2021 992 CS in GT silver is almost here...with PDK.
Horses for courses. Sounds like you've got the right car for you. Enjoy!
In America the manual is way more popular.
Why does a road car that powerful need 7 gears
MPG and emissions, I'm afraid.
Funny, it almost looks like an aftermarket add on
No car needs 7 gears
God save me from right sided vehicles