Got a feeling we will look back at this thing in 10 years and recognize that it made a major shift in handgun optic tech. Thanks for the review as always.
I think this is a notable step towards integrated optics on handguns. In a decade it would surprise me if some new guns don't just have the optic built into the slide. Seems like the obvious next step, and this is about as close as you get to that without actually doing it.
@@KRYPTOSPOLLARD this seems like a sci-fi idea that isn’t as useful in real life as it is a cool sounding concept. I can remove my irons, why would you want unremovable optics as well?
It seems to me that the better question is why would you need to remove an optic ? As we eliminate reasons to remove them, the reasons to make them integral become more of a plus. It's just like anything else really, if there's no notable reason to remove it, and being integral increases quality, why would you forgo the quality for the unnecessary ability to remove it? I like tinkering and fine tuning myself, but from an overall perspective of just making the best thing for the most amount of people, that's pretty standard operations.
@@KRYPTOSPOLLARD Complicating the firearm with an integrated optic? Now a machining expertise facility becomes an electronics & optics facility? Are you twelve?
@@cagneybillingsley2165 Chinese also invented an enclosed end metal cylinder using combustion to propel a projectile. This was the very first gun. We wouldn't be enjoying such an ingenious device that changed history if we got caught up in too much pride and ignored it.
Can we just step back and realize and appreciate what a previously unknown entity, holosun, has done overall for pushing the rds game forward over the past 5? 10? Years? And with surprising quality and price point. They are nudging the legacy optic makers…that’s a good thing!
Lower optics always seem faster on target. Add to that the fact it mounts without an adapter, makes this seem like a winner. I do wish the optic went a bit higher up, but I'm sure we'll see them doing all kinds of new stuff. I'm looking forward to their EPS lineup as well.
I've been watching other SCS video's, but this is so far the only one that actually covers all the questions I've had. An excellent review. I also like that you're talking over the shooting. Others shoot, talk, shoot. You also cover things I haven't thought of. Thank you. Subscribed.
I don't see how anyone can hate on Holosun at this point. They continue to innovate time after time and they will continue to get my money for doing so. I've been excited about this optic since it was a prototype and you had to search youtube high and low just to find a short clip of it at SHOT just to prove to your buddy that you aren't crazy and that it actually exists.
What has Holosun innovated on? Solar charging is nothing new. Shake awake is nothing new. Solar power is nothing new. Selectable reticles are nothing new.
@@TheDeadeye5 What does that even mean? Holosun is the best at taking (and sometimes stealing) other people’s ideas and being called innovative for it?
This is coming from a guy who almost exclusively runs Trijicon. If it’s got Sage Dynamic’s stamp of approval, I’m definitely sold on it. I only have Holosun optics because it fits my budget. This is definitely a win in my book. Great review as always, man. Keep it up.
I am glad to see these "lesser" optics companies innovating, and eclipsing the "duty" brand optics (in features) while building their track record for durability. I have 3 different Holosun optics, have not broken one yet.
@ Risky Flash Exactly Chinese companies more so the government, has a thing for stealing technology, not so much innovation even though it’s pushed that way.
@Random Pickle I’m not talking about the tritium-powered ones; I know how they work. I’m talking about the SRS which came out in 2013. It used a hybrid solar/battery system the same as Holosuns. Everything people suck Holosun’s dick for was already done by someone else. Solar power? Trijicon did it first with the SRS. Shake awake? Leupold did it first with the LCO. Multiple reticles? You could get those in shitty eBay red dots in 2005.
You did an excellent job here. Answered all of my questions. The drop test was above and beyond, and the use of it for racking the slide confirmed I'm not the only one who does that. I have an optic, but I am switching to this one for my Glock.
I've been all in with Holosun for about 3 years. I really enjoy the fact that they don't just sit on their current technology and expect people to buy it forever.
I'm sure that's on the drawing board. I want to see how they would mount a closed emitter optic to the MOS without a plate. Perhaps a removable shroud, like that recent optic he reviewed, to get to the screws.
@@6Demon6Face6 the EPS that Holosun is releasing uses their K footprint, so screws rather than a pseudo clamp. But then the screw placement likely doesn’t line up with the holes on the MOS, or maybe it does idk.
Just picked this up a couple days ago for my new 17 MOS. What sold me is that I can still use the factory night sights. So far, I’m really liking it. It’s my first pistol mounted optic, so it’s taking some getting-used-to. 18 years of iron sights and I’m just now going gds (since mine is a green dot and not red)
The human eye 👁 is drawn to green faster than any other color. I'm impressed with this design. My only ? might be the sight screws, retaining screws pop or flop out with training, duty, EDC use.
@Dragmorian: Is the lower half of the co-witnessed 32-MOA reticle fully visible when you’re focused down range on the target? I want to run the circle-dot reticle, but I’m curious whether the bottom half of the 32-MOA circle sight picture isn’t obscured by the front sight and slide.
@@WalksSlow I keep trying to reply, but my replies won’t post for some reason! You should be able to cowitness and still have full reticle visibility. I like mine set up independently from the irons, but that’s just my preference. Being able to chose between the circle-dot (like an EOTech reticle), just the dot, or the “donut of death” is awesome
@Dragmorian Thanks! I thought the SCS would be co-witnessed right out of the box; I wasn’t aware you could set it up any other way. Thanks again for the feedback.
@@WalksSlow no problem! For the price, they’re well worth it. No batteries to change, multiple reticle, and I haven’t had the screws back out in over 60o rounds with the optic mounted (I torqued them down per Holosun’s specs)
Acss is a hungry boy, eats battery alot faster than a 2moa reticle. I'll still buy one cuz I love my 507 green ACSSs (have 3) but it'll prob be closer to 10k or 20k hr battery life at that point. Still worth it imo
After watching quite a few of Aaron’s red dot tests/reviews, I finally figured it out! People that complain about his drop tests saying “it’s not fair to judge the optic on that because that is not something that usually happens“ are the same people that are probably used to getting participation trophies. No, I’m not going to drop my pistol like that. And even if I did, it wouldn’t be that often. But I sure have peace of mind knowing that my optic can endure extreme situations even though I am just a concealed carrier and not duty driven. That being said I have to say that I am thoroughly impressed and very happy with the operation and performance of the Holosun SCS on my Walther PDP.
I was looking forward to this from SHOT, great review Aaron. It's funny how market leaders like Trijicon, Glock, Colt to name a few, become stagnant in innovation. Holosun is going to change the game and surpass Trijicon in mrds development.
I don't think that they are going to pass Trijicon; they have passed Trijicon. I pulled two RMR's off of pistols and went to Holosun 508T's in green because they are better dot sights. The 32 MOA circle and 2MOA dot in green are damn near magic. I would not buy a Trijicon RMR at half their current price.
I’ve owned two rmr’s and sold them both. The smaller windows, thicker bodies and bluer glass suck compared to the holosuns. I was excited when this came out and now I’m sold in it after Aaron’s review. Just waiting for an scs with rmr footprint to be released.
@@chuckburns3633 Hard to stay competitive when you spend money paying a living wage to engineers for R&D and then the idea is stolen and produced in China by slave labor.
Just a caution, make sure all Holosun features work on your SCS before leaving the store. My son purchased a Glock 19 with SCS pre-mounted from Bass Pro Shop. Unfortunately, he fell ill soon after and was unable to try out the sight. Months later, I found that the brand new, never fired unit did not work properly. So, it is back to Holosun in California for a promised 30 day repair or inspection period. They did send a pre-paid USPS return label. Be sure it works before paying for it at a store or online.
Purchased one that lasted about 3 weeks, and 50 rounds before it mysteriously stopped working. Shipped it back to Holosun just to find out that their warranty dept is backed up 1-2 weeks+15-20 day turnaround. Should have stuck to the proven RMR.
So I bought two, sent one through the academy on a new hire, and put the other on my own gun. Both have done awesome without any issues. Put a third on a lateral hire’s gun, same story. Five more incoming to replace older optics, this thing is now my go to for patrol guns, unless someone can give me a really good reason why they need something else.
@@jairalmeidajunior1262 for competition I would recommend an optic with a larger window so you can keep following the reticle through recoil. SRO is still the best out there I think.
Great review of an innovative product, an industry game changer! The Holosun SCS will be a great option, it's a quality, great value and direct mount red dot sight. I am looking forward to seeing the SCS for both the HK VP9 and Sig Sauer P320 pistols.
I like the close emitter style Aimpoint ACRO2 style but the high price 🤑 & lack of US sales, sites turns me away. I live in the US south east 🏖🐊🍊 ... humid conditions, sweat, high temps ☀️ are common about 8mo out of the year.
i got my SCS to replace my 508T on my G19 and i love it. Love how it fits the gun perfectly now, auto adjust is awesome, and the green dot is growing on me too. Thanks Aaron
I just bought a 508T X2, and I recently got a G17 MOS, since then I've been thinking every day if I should switch to an SCS (and not need to put high sights or a C&H plate). What did you find between your current SCS and the 508Tx2? Is it worth changing?
@@gristelli I got you on this bro. I'm reallllly happy i switched and i was in the same boat as you not long ago. i only had my 508T X2 for maybe 6 months Here's my reasons... #1 eliminates potential adapter plate failures. my glock oem plate was bent on arrival just like aaron said and i had to get a new one from them. i've also seen some recent complains about reliability of C&H plate online. i used a torque tool on the screws and marked them with a white oil-based sharpie and i finally feel 100% confident my optic is not coming off #2 SCS auto-adjust is just better than 508T manual adjust. i don't know how they did it but like aaron said it works great. manual adjusting is not practical for me IWB every time i change environments or remembering throughout the day. #3 sits lower profile for more natural shooting #4 lower profile a tad better for concealing and a tad less snagging risk #5 works with OEM glock sights (i left mine on even with the 508T bc i knew the SCS was coming and i might try it). changing irons looks like a pain especially if they don't zero perfectly on first try. i don't care that they're plastic. #6 the optic width is flush with my G19 slide so it looks and feels nice unlike the 508T which overhangs the sides oddly Reasons not to: #1 you hate green dot. it's only in green due to battery life reasons. I was really hesitant about green but now i like it as much or maybe even better than red, it's hard to say #2 concerned about battery lifespan. if you look at owner's manual you will see that this thing needs sunlight to realistically charge itself. Although holosun reps told me that it's basically impossible to completely kill the battery even with IWB and using indoors only bc indoor lighting is enough to operate it even when battery is drained. There are low battery indications starting at 30% i believe. Also, the battery is 20k hours or 2.2 years and holosun will install a new battery should it ever completely drain (owner's manual seems to have typo that says 200k hours). i'm OK if i need to send it to them in 1-2 years. By that time there might even be a newer optic on the market that i want. #3 you prefer circle dot or circle reticles as opposed to just the dot. that will drastically reduce battery life so it doesn't seem to me a solar only design is good for those IMO #4 don't feel like re-training a little. initially my SCS dot was at the top of my window just due to the height difference with 508T. however, the window size difference is not noticeable at all to me. #5 your wife will know that you are buying another optic to replace your brand new optic and use it as leverage on you
@@vincentc2466 Thanks for clarifying these points. The number #5 reasons not to switch to scs is real and perhaps one of the most dangerous lol. It's a hell of a sun here, I believe the battery would recharge more than I could use it, even if I prefer dot and circle (you were right on this one). What worries me is if these internal batteries have a relatively short lifespan, even Holosun committing to change the internal battery (months without the red dot). Another point was about having a much smaller window than the 508T X2, which from what you said is almost imperceptible. I had opted for the 508 to install on the Masada, but I was going to have to change screws and go against what IWI recommended. For me, here in Brazil, where a red dot, some high sights and an adapter plate cost 10x more than in the US, not having to go after each of the extra elements is peace of mind. And if the SCS still adjusts itself perfectly, wonderful, one less thing to worry about at the time that supposedly there will be a lot to worry about. Thank you so much for the tip, and if all goes well, tomorrow I'll get the credit card from the account that my wife doesn't have access to and pass the SCS lol
@@gristelli no problem! If you're in brazil you deserve the best lol ive seen the videos of bandits on their motorcycles. I think you will be happy with it. The battery lifespan should be fine, i think i used the wrong word. Battery rechargeability is what i should have said. But if yours will see sunlight (mine does not) then you should be in great shape. I believe it takes a week of charging outdoors to charge battery from 0 to 100%. You can call Holosun too if you want, someone usually answers the phone quickly and they are usually helpful. Worst case scenario, you can put your 508T back on while they change battery, but it sounds like you will never need that.
@@gristelli ...so removing the slide or just optic and letting it sit outside to charge if that's possible would solve the problem if you ever actually drained it all the way down. I guess thats actually a lot faster and easier than mailing it to holosun.
I definitely thought "that sounds dumb, no way it'll actually be a legit option" but if it has Aaron Cowans stamp of approval thats all i need. Definitely going to be considering this now for my next optic purchase.
I have been running reds only for 7 years, and I'm pretty good, but never understand what he means by 'refresh rate". Perhaps I've just never had a red dot with that issue to notice the difference. Holosun and Trijicon is what I've run always. Elimination of the mounting plate is BY FAR the biggest advantage. Anything I've ever had go wrong is with glock plates and screws
By "refresh rate", I believe he means noticing the flickering of the dot if the brightness is controlled with pulses of on and off (pulse width modulation). This can be more noticeable when moving the dot
@@joegasparro2395 Constant on. Brightness is controlled by flickering the light on an off at a high frequency. Some red dots do it at a slow enough frequency to be noticeable.
I'm reassured about the auto-brightness adjust after watching. Now if along with all those OEM footprints, Holosun releases one with an RMR footprint I'll be ecstatic....
A--I really appreciate the information you provide. Your very well-thought-out processes and explanations are great. Your consistency is spot on. Appreciated.
I bet that the auto adjust is part of what allows the battery life to be so good. When the gun is concealed in your holster the dot is gonna be fully dim and thus not using as much power as if it’s always on max like I leave my manual dots
I just picked one up today for the exact same gun, & you now have 2 different brightnesses, just hit the side button to change from bright to dim. If that is what you were talking about with the auto adjust. It's also now a "shake to wake"!
I sold my MOS a couple of years ago because all the plates sucked and I couldn't figure out why someone hadn't made a red dot that would bolt directly to the MOS "footprint". Got my G19 milled for an RMR and never looked back. if I had only known this was going to be produced I'd have held on to it. oh well...
Best review out there, especially burning through the ammunition for us and those drop tests. Glad it's you doing it and not mine. Buying a couple for my Glocks today. I'm sold on it. Especially since the Glock mos plates are such trash.
Nice review. I picked one up for an M&P 2.0 10mm today. Trying to find 10mm specific reviews, though I don't actually think 10mm with it's heavier springs, etc, would be any tougher on an optic than a micro 9. Always enjoy your presentations.
I have this SCS on an M&P45. I really, really like this DOT. Low mount, no plate, auto brightness is on point, never needs a battery, good size for carry, basically same size as a 407k height wise. Love it. I plan on buying another.
That “burn down” Hollywood never ending magazine edit is amazing. I’d go cross eyed trying to focus on my dot will it’s singing a sing along bouncing ball song haha.
Am I the only one here that exclusively hears Aaron when buying optics? I mean, all gunTubers starts are fine and appreciated, but I can’t trust their opinion. Mr. Aaron, thank you for taking the time make these videos.
Awesome Review! I picked up the SCS MOS for my Gen 5 G20 last month and I just got my Gen 5 G21 and I am planning to get a SCS for it and the Gen 5 G22 that currently has a Holosun 507c ver.2.0 Green because the SCS is as much of a Game changer today as the 507c was 5 years ago. I also have a Gen 4 G41 that has an Original 507c Red that will eventually end up with the SCS MOS and the 507c will go on other pistols or rifles that I have because I still like the 507c but for a Glock with MOS it is CRAZY not to go with a SCS MOS since there is no need for the plate and the unit follows the same pattern as the rear serrations which to me is a very nice attention to Detail that Holosun did. I have the New P320 X-Ten and I am waiting for that unit to be released so I can put it on my X-Ten. Aaron was your T/E unit made of Titanium or Aluminum? I know that Holosun went with Titanium for the MOS unit but it looks like all the other releases as of right now are going to be Aluminum and I am trying to figure out why.
Purchased mine and used it for 500 rounds and sad to say, despite my initial excitement, I’m going to be returning mine this week. The bloom on the 2 MOA dot was way too intense and wasn’t as clean as my friend’s R1PRO. Was really hoping for a better test run, the SCS 320 user manual called for 15 inch lbs of torque and the optic became loose after 350-400 rounds. I don’t have astigmatism and asked a few others to look through the optic and verify my findings.
Been carrying my RMR for years. Hiking, fishing, hunting, grocery runs, competition. I’ve been soaked in a downpour, I’ve ridden ATVs all day during dry summer where I was choked from dust. Never had an issue with my open emitter. Had an ACRO for two weeks before the nitrogen purge leaked out and the Mississippi humidity came in. That killed the usability of the optic.
When it comes to reviews, the ONLY reviews I trust are from Garand Thumb and Sage Dynamics. Now I feel I can check this light out for myself. If it passes this test, it can do anything.
I have two of these mounted on Walther PDP pistols. Something I noticed is even with the optic off, it helps me pickup the iron sights faster. With a flashlight mounted on the pistol, acquiring the stock sights at night is much faster through the optic glass than without the optic mounted. This model optic is the sweet spot for me. I have other optics but suddenly they are silly compared to the SCS.
The flat top design is why it doesn't break. The 508T and 509T both have a flat top also. It allows all the shock to go down besides the glass--- where an arch optic pushes the impact right into the glass as it flexes. The RMR has those 'ears at the top, which does the same thing-- causes the impact to transfer down the sides of the housing, and not into the glass..
@@pdxmarine1430 Yeah, I wondered why myself... Are they just making them thicker? Are they forged? I'm not sure why the 507 works great, but the swampfox breaks on the second drop every time? Personally, I just bought both 508T and 509T-- the square top Titanium definitely isn't going to break. I bought both of them for under $300 on quick sales on ebay--- but since then, they seem to stay over $400 now. People caught on to how great they are, and inflation isn't helping prices on Anything.
@@calholli Yeah I switched out the RMR on my P320 with a 509t, and my P365xl is running the 507k until the EPS carry comes out. I think the frame of the Holosuns is just pretty thick and that is what gives it the ability to hold up to drops where other domed red dots fail. That extra thickness just gives it enough rigidity to avoid breaking the glass on impact
Does holosun have any plan to take this new scs/photo cell/rechargeable battery concept and put it onto either a 503 or 510 or the like? That would be so awesome.
Handgun RDS are like computers. I want one, but I’m tempted to wait 6 months to see what they come out with next. They’re improving so quickly with many new models it seems.
To me, this is so much sexier than a mailbox. And I see people holding out for the fully enclosed version - that would entail moving the solar panel to the top, and the nice, unobstructive frame around the optic will be history.
Just received mine today. I'm disappointed in the dot. It's distorted there is a red tint to the back side of the dot around the top. It looks their are 2 dots back to back. The circle dot combo is cainted. It's blooming in all intensities. Less in low light but it's there. I'm sending it back for accs. It needs work. I was really looking forward to having this optic on my 45 mos.
Makes sense it will work. Watches like Citizen Eco-drive have been solar powered for years where a battery captures the electricity. Those watches can go months without light. Gshock as well for some models.
I like the HOLOSUN multi reticle!!! Have a 507Cx2 on my 19MOS, I will swap it with the SCS as soon as I an get it and the 507 will go onto my 1301tactical ;-) The SCS looks great and works like a beast - it should be far better than the Shield RMS, which I also was thinking about....
Got a feeling we will look back at this thing in 10 years and recognize that it made a major shift in handgun optic tech. Thanks for the review as always.
I think this is a notable step towards integrated optics on handguns. In a decade it would surprise me if some new guns don't just have the optic built into the slide. Seems like the obvious next step, and this is about as close as you get to that without actually doing it.
@@KRYPTOSPOLLARD this seems like a sci-fi idea that isn’t as useful in real life as it is a cool sounding concept. I can remove my irons, why would you want unremovable optics as well?
Feel like holosun has done with that a bunch of their optics.
It seems to me that the better question is why would you need to remove an optic ?
As we eliminate reasons to remove them, the reasons to make them integral become more of a plus. It's just like anything else really, if there's no notable reason to remove it, and being integral increases quality, why would you forgo the quality for the unnecessary ability to remove it? I like tinkering and fine tuning myself, but from an overall perspective of just making the best thing for the most amount of people, that's pretty standard operations.
@@KRYPTOSPOLLARD Complicating the firearm with an integrated optic? Now a machining expertise facility becomes an electronics & optics facility? Are you twelve?
Now this is the innovation that the industry needs
This is the future, and the future is now... great time to be Alive
Totally agree. I want one.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 Chinese invented gun powder let it go
@@cagneybillingsley2165 Chinese also invented an enclosed end metal cylinder using combustion to propel a projectile. This was the very first gun. We wouldn't be enjoying such an ingenious device that changed history if we got caught up in too much pride and ignored it.
@@cagneybillingsley2165where do you suppose the device you’re using to cruise RUclips is made?
Can we just step back and realize and appreciate what a previously unknown entity, holosun, has done overall for pushing the rds game forward over the past 5? 10? Years?
And with surprising quality and price point.
They are nudging the legacy optic makers…that’s a good thing!
Yup. Their others like 407 and 507 have side loaded battery slots and options with solar backup. Trijicon needs to up their game.
Nudging? Holosun is literally put a foot up their ass. Lol!
Well RMR is the first. Without them their would be none.
@@Three60Crusader I would kill for an RMR I didn't have to remove to replace the battery
@@Three60Crusader there
As someone with a MOS gun this is very interesting to me. Glad you got early access to review it.
Before finishing the video my concern is low light with a flashlight. Will it wash out?
@@RenoMay Only if you're a cuckfornian.
…as someone WITHOUT an MOS gun OR ‘RDS’..I’m really intrigued with THIS particular one. Small footprint, stout..no external battery, etc.
Hell, I'm tempted to purchase a G17MOS just to throw this thing on it.
Makes me upset I bought an expensive ass adapter plate and a trijicon rmr when u could just bought this optic and saved a TON of money
Respect to Holosun for sending their new pistol optics to Aaron. Chad move.
This is the best channel I have ever seen on RUclips, no bs, very little opinions, just a very consistent testing cycle
Lower optics always seem faster on target. Add to that the fact it mounts without an adapter, makes this seem like a winner. I do wish the optic went a bit higher up, but I'm sure we'll see them doing all kinds of new stuff. I'm looking forward to their EPS lineup as well.
I've been watching other SCS video's, but this is so far the only one that actually covers all the questions I've had. An excellent review. I also like that you're talking over the shooting. Others shoot, talk, shoot. You also cover things I haven't thought of. Thank you. Subscribed.
I don't see how anyone can hate on Holosun at this point. They continue to innovate time after time and they will continue to get my money for doing so. I've been excited about this optic since it was a prototype and you had to search youtube high and low just to find a short clip of it at SHOT just to prove to your buddy that you aren't crazy and that it actually exists.
What has Holosun innovated on? Solar charging is nothing new. Shake awake is nothing new. Solar power is nothing new. Selectable reticles are nothing new.
@@riskyflash6812 who has been doing it best?
@@TheDeadeye5 What does that even mean? Holosun is the best at taking (and sometimes stealing) other people’s ideas and being called innovative for it?
@@riskyflash6812 agreed. Also just giving money to the PRC. No thanks!
people need reasons to justify spending double on another brand optic.
This is coming from a guy who almost exclusively runs Trijicon. If it’s got Sage Dynamic’s stamp of approval, I’m definitely sold on it. I only have Holosun optics because it fits my budget. This is definitely a win in my book. Great review as always, man. Keep it up.
@M. Denz sage almost exclusively runs rmrs
@M. Denz
I meant that the review is coming from a guy who runs trijicon. Not me.
I am glad to see these "lesser" optics companies innovating, and eclipsing the "duty" brand optics (in features) while building their track record for durability. I have 3 different Holosun optics, have not broken one yet.
Innovating? Trijicon had a solar-assisted red dot over a decade ago.
@ Risky Flash
Exactly Chinese companies more so the government, has a thing for stealing technology, not so much innovation even though it’s pushed that way.
They're being battle proven in Ukraine as we speak.
@Random Pickle I’m not talking about the tritium-powered ones; I know how they work. I’m talking about the SRS which came out in 2013. It used a hybrid solar/battery system the same as Holosuns. Everything people suck Holosun’s dick for was already done by someone else.
Solar power? Trijicon did it first with the SRS.
Shake awake? Leupold did it first with the LCO.
Multiple reticles? You could get those in shitty eBay red dots in 2005.
@@riskyflash6812 you mean the shitty RMR that everyone hates?
You did an excellent job here. Answered all of my questions. The drop test was above and beyond, and the use of it for racking the slide confirmed I'm not the only one who does that. I have an optic, but I am switching to this one for my Glock.
I've been all in with Holosun for about 3 years. I really enjoy the fact that they don't just sit on their current technology and expect people to buy it forever.
I would love a fully enclosed version of this for duty use.
Exactly that would be awesome!
I'm sure that's on the drawing board. I want to see how they would mount a closed emitter optic to the MOS without a plate. Perhaps a removable shroud, like that recent optic he reviewed, to get to the screws.
@@6Demon6Face6 the EPS that Holosun is releasing uses their K footprint, so screws rather than a pseudo clamp. But then the screw placement likely doesn’t line up with the holes on the MOS, or maybe it does idk.
Waiting for the EPS and EPS Carry. Looking everyday for when they finally come out to swap out the 507K
Fully enclosed cannot [direct] mount like this, or RMR footprint. It would have side rail clamp-adapter-slide mounting hardware.
Just picked this up a couple days ago for my new 17 MOS. What sold me is that I can still use the factory night sights. So far, I’m really liking it. It’s my first pistol mounted optic, so it’s taking some getting-used-to. 18 years of iron sights and I’m just now going gds (since mine is a green dot and not red)
The human eye 👁 is drawn to green faster than any other color. I'm impressed with this design. My only ? might be the sight screws, retaining screws pop or flop out with training, duty, EDC use.
@Dragmorian: Is the lower half of the co-witnessed 32-MOA reticle fully visible when you’re focused down range on the target? I want to run the circle-dot reticle, but I’m curious whether the bottom half of the 32-MOA circle sight picture isn’t obscured by the front sight and slide.
@@WalksSlow I keep trying to reply, but my replies won’t post for some reason! You should be able to cowitness and still have full reticle visibility. I like mine set up independently from the irons, but that’s just my preference. Being able to chose between the circle-dot (like an EOTech reticle), just the dot, or the “donut of death” is awesome
@Dragmorian Thanks! I thought the SCS would be co-witnessed right out of the box; I wasn’t aware you could set it up any other way. Thanks again for the feedback.
@@WalksSlow no problem! For the price, they’re well worth it. No batteries to change, multiple reticle, and I haven’t had the screws back out in over 60o rounds with the optic mounted (I torqued them down per Holosun’s specs)
Aaron I always enjoy your informational videos. Thank you for all you do to keep us informed. Great job!
Once they get it closed emitter and with the ACSS reticle it will be perfect.
I'm pretty sure they've done that, right? Primary Arms colab with the large circle around the infinite aiming point?
They made a 509T with the ACSS reticle already
@@soicymoe8626 Yeah, and with none of the features of the SCS.
Acss is a hungry boy, eats battery alot faster than a 2moa reticle. I'll still buy one cuz I love my 507 green ACSSs (have 3) but it'll prob be closer to 10k or 20k hr battery life at that point.
Still worth it imo
@@georgerafa5041 it goes from 50k hours on dot only to 30k hours on dot with circle. Still plenty of time :)
One of the only people I take into consideration when it comes to reviews. Always unbiased and extremely thorough, gotta love it.
I can’t believe this channel doesn’t have more subscribers!
It's insane
Ready for the EPS and EPS Carrry reviews. Probably my next purchase to hopefully move toward a closed emitter optic on my ccw.
Agreed. Gonna make a lot of 43x 48 and sig 365 owners very happy
After watching quite a few of Aaron’s red dot tests/reviews, I finally figured it out! People that complain about his drop tests saying “it’s not fair to judge the optic on that because that is not something that usually happens“ are the same people that are probably used to getting participation trophies. No, I’m not going to drop my pistol like that. And even if I did, it wouldn’t be that often. But I sure have peace of mind knowing that my optic can endure extreme situations even though I am just a concealed carrier and not duty driven. That being said I have to say that I am thoroughly impressed and very happy with the operation and performance of the Holosun SCS on my Walther PDP.
I really look forward to Aaron’s reviews, cheap shit just is not gonna hold up to that testing regime. Plus a 500 round burn down is just plain cool.
I was looking forward to this from SHOT, great review Aaron. It's funny how market leaders like Trijicon, Glock, Colt to name a few, become stagnant in innovation. Holosun is going to change the game and surpass Trijicon in mrds development.
I don't think that they are going to pass Trijicon; they have passed Trijicon. I pulled two RMR's off of pistols and went to Holosun 508T's in green because they are better dot sights. The 32 MOA circle and 2MOA dot in green are damn near magic. I would not buy a Trijicon RMR at half their current price.
I’ve owned two rmr’s and sold them both. The smaller windows, thicker bodies and bluer glass suck compared to the holosuns. I was excited when this came out and now I’m sold in it after Aaron’s review. Just waiting for an scs with rmr footprint to be released.
@@chuckburns3633 Hard to stay competitive when you spend money paying a living wage to engineers for R&D and then the idea is stolen and produced in China by slave labor.
Your Duty Standards is why I watch your videos. As always thank you for your time.
What a great review. The optic is sitting in the cart right now. You definitely sold this for Holosun. They owe you a commission.
Just a caution, make sure all Holosun features work on your SCS before leaving the store. My son purchased a Glock 19 with SCS pre-mounted from Bass Pro Shop. Unfortunately, he fell ill soon after and was unable to try out the sight. Months later, I found that the brand new, never fired unit did not work properly. So, it is back to Holosun in California for a promised 30 day repair or inspection period. They did send a pre-paid USPS return label. Be sure it works before paying for it at a store or online.
Purchased one that lasted about 3 weeks, and 50 rounds before it mysteriously stopped working.
Shipped it back to Holosun just to find out that their warranty dept is backed up 1-2 weeks+15-20 day turnaround. Should have stuck to the proven RMR.
Your reviews are what pushed me to trust holosun specifically the 507k . Holosun has improved in leaps and bounds
So I bought two, sent one through the academy on a new hire, and put the other on my own gun. Both have done awesome without any issues. Put a third on a lateral hire’s gun, same story.
Five more incoming to replace older optics, this thing is now my go to for patrol guns, unless someone can give me a really good reason why they need something else.
Would you recommend it for sport shooting? IPSC?
@@jairalmeidajunior1262 for competition I would recommend an optic with a larger window so you can keep following the reticle through recoil. SRO is still the best out there I think.
Great review of an innovative product, an industry game changer! The Holosun SCS will be a great option, it's a quality, great value and direct mount red dot sight. I am looking forward to seeing the SCS for both the HK VP9 and Sig Sauer P320 pistols.
Holosun is killing it. Have moved almost exclusively to their optics. Great review as always!
Surprised I dont see anyone talking about how amazing his group's are at 25 yards. Those are like 1-1.5 inch groups with a HANDGUN at 25 yards.
No way that was off hand non supported.
Great review & great optic design, this is the first pistol optic I like so far.
I like the close emitter style Aimpoint ACRO2 style but the high price 🤑 & lack of US sales, sites turns me away. I live in the US south east 🏖🐊🍊 ... humid conditions, sweat, high temps ☀️ are common about 8mo out of the year.
i got my SCS to replace my 508T on my G19 and i love it. Love how it fits the gun perfectly now, auto adjust is awesome, and the green dot is growing on me too. Thanks Aaron
I just bought a 508T X2, and I recently got a G17 MOS, since then I've been thinking every day if I should switch to an SCS (and not need to put high sights or a C&H plate). What did you find between your current SCS and the 508Tx2? Is it worth changing?
@@gristelli I got you on this bro. I'm reallllly happy i switched and i was in the same boat as you not long ago. i only had my 508T X2 for maybe 6 months Here's my reasons...
#1 eliminates potential adapter plate failures. my glock oem plate was bent on arrival just like aaron said and i had to get a new one from them. i've also seen some recent complains about reliability of C&H plate online. i used a torque tool on the screws and marked them with a white oil-based sharpie and i finally feel 100% confident my optic is not coming off
#2 SCS auto-adjust is just better than 508T manual adjust. i don't know how they did it but like aaron said it works great. manual adjusting is not practical for me IWB every time i change environments or remembering throughout the day.
#3 sits lower profile for more natural shooting
#4 lower profile a tad better for concealing and a tad less snagging risk
#5 works with OEM glock sights (i left mine on even with the 508T bc i knew the SCS was coming and i might try it). changing irons looks like a pain especially if they don't zero perfectly on first try. i don't care that they're plastic.
#6 the optic width is flush with my G19 slide so it looks and feels nice unlike the 508T which overhangs the sides oddly
Reasons not to:
#1 you hate green dot. it's only in green due to battery life reasons. I was really hesitant about green but now i like it as much or maybe even better than red, it's hard to say
#2 concerned about battery lifespan. if you look at owner's manual you will see that this thing needs sunlight to realistically charge itself. Although holosun reps told me that it's basically impossible to completely kill the battery even with IWB and using indoors only bc indoor lighting is enough to operate it even when battery is drained. There are low battery indications starting at 30% i believe. Also, the battery is 20k hours or 2.2 years and holosun will install a new battery should it ever completely drain (owner's manual seems to have typo that says 200k hours). i'm OK if i need to send it to them in 1-2 years. By that time there might even be a newer optic on the market that i want.
#3 you prefer circle dot or circle reticles as opposed to just the dot. that will drastically reduce battery life so it doesn't seem to me a solar only design is good for those IMO
#4 don't feel like re-training a little. initially my SCS dot was at the top of my window just due to the height difference with 508T. however, the window size difference is not noticeable at all to me.
#5 your wife will know that you are buying another optic to replace your brand new optic and use it as leverage on you
@@vincentc2466 Thanks for clarifying these points. The number #5 reasons not to switch to scs is real and perhaps one of the most dangerous lol. It's a hell of a sun here, I believe the battery would recharge more than I could use it, even if I prefer dot and circle (you were right on this one). What worries me is if these internal batteries have a relatively short lifespan, even Holosun committing to change the internal battery (months without the red dot). Another point was about having a much smaller window than the 508T X2, which from what you said is almost imperceptible. I had opted for the 508 to install on the Masada, but I was going to have to change screws and go against what IWI recommended. For me, here in Brazil, where a red dot, some high sights and an adapter plate cost 10x more than in the US, not having to go after each of the extra elements is peace of mind. And if the SCS still adjusts itself perfectly, wonderful, one less thing to worry about at the time that supposedly there will be a lot to worry about. Thank you so much for the tip, and if all goes well, tomorrow I'll get the credit card from the account that my wife doesn't have access to and pass the SCS lol
@@gristelli no problem! If you're in brazil you deserve the best lol ive seen the videos of bandits on their motorcycles. I think you will be happy with it. The battery lifespan should be fine, i think i used the wrong word. Battery rechargeability is what i should have said. But if yours will see sunlight (mine does not) then you should be in great shape. I believe it takes a week of charging outdoors to charge battery from 0 to 100%. You can call Holosun too if you want, someone usually answers the phone quickly and they are usually helpful. Worst case scenario, you can put your 508T back on while they change battery, but it sounds like you will never need that.
@@gristelli ...so removing the slide or just optic and letting it sit outside to charge if that's possible would solve the problem if you ever actually drained it all the way down. I guess thats actually a lot faster and easier than mailing it to holosun.
Your shooting is SO impressive.
Im wishing-hoping that Holosun will make the SCS mini that’ll fit perfectly on a G43x mos.
Wow, they're killing it. I'm gonna buy this first and then get me a fishing vest.
Great video, especially the drop test. Just got my SCS today, can't wait to get to the range!
Thank you for the time you put into these reviews. We appreciate you
I definitely thought "that sounds dumb, no way it'll actually be a legit option" but if it has Aaron Cowans stamp of approval thats all i need. Definitely going to be considering this now for my next optic purchase.
had the same reservations about the SCS, but after your video I'm going to pick one up...thanks again for the review Aaron.
I've had this on my radar for quite awhile now and I greatly appreciate your indepth review. Now I just need to add it to my cart.
The song is Seraphim by Warstead in case anyone was wondering
I have been running reds only for 7 years, and I'm pretty good, but never understand what he means by 'refresh rate". Perhaps I've just never had a red dot with that issue to notice the difference. Holosun and Trijicon is what I've run always.
Elimination of the mounting plate is BY FAR the biggest advantage. Anything I've ever had go wrong is with glock plates and screws
By "refresh rate", I believe he means noticing the flickering of the dot if the brightness is controlled with pulses of on and off (pulse width modulation). This can be more noticeable when moving the dot
@@Specter044 do we mean when it's on "auto-adjust" and it refreshes to a different lighting condition? Or when it's on constant brightness?
@@joegasparro2395 Constant on. Brightness is controlled by flickering the light on an off at a high frequency. Some red dots do it at a slow enough frequency to be noticeable.
The review I was waiting for before I made my purchase I will definitely be getting one
I'm reassured about the auto-brightness adjust after watching. Now if along with all those OEM footprints, Holosun releases one with an RMR footprint I'll be ecstatic....
I think it'll be more manufacturer dependent than single footprint for a while.
MOS footprint and RMR footprint are different? So I can’t put this optic on a slide I had milled for an RMR/507c?
@@nateb9346 correct.
@@mr.pattyd9138 thank you!
A--I really appreciate the information you provide. Your very well-thought-out processes and explanations are great. Your consistency is spot on. Appreciated.
The one-handed reload test won me over.
You have definitely become my GoTo to check out new optics that hit the market.
First time watching this channel. I’m going to pick a random second video, if this is how you run all your reviews, you’re going to be my new go to.
I've been excited for something like this for quite a while. Thank you for putting it to the test.
Been waiting for this one. Thank you Aaron
Watching this again, this seems pretty ideal honestly. I can’t wait to see this for other platforms, like a PDP. 🤔
I bet that the auto adjust is part of what allows the battery life to be so good. When the gun is concealed in your holster the dot is gonna be fully dim and thus not using as much power as if it’s always on max like I leave my manual dots
I thought this was the EPS. I’m super hyped for that dot.
I just picked one up today for the exact same gun, & you now have 2 different brightnesses, just hit the side button to change from bright to dim. If that is what you were talking about with the auto adjust. It's also now a "shake to wake"!
I sold my MOS a couple of years ago because all the plates sucked and I couldn't figure out why someone hadn't made a red dot that would bolt directly to the MOS "footprint". Got my G19 milled for an RMR and never looked back. if I had only known this was going to be produced I'd have held on to it. oh well...
holosun is definitely putting other companies on notice
Thank you for everything you do online and else where. Great information as always
Best review out there, especially burning through the ammunition for us and those drop tests. Glad it's you doing it and not mine. Buying a couple for my Glocks today. I'm sold on it. Especially since the Glock mos plates are such trash.
Nice review. I picked one up for an M&P 2.0 10mm today. Trying to find 10mm specific reviews, though I don't actually think 10mm with it's heavier springs, etc, would be any tougher on an optic than a micro 9.
Always enjoy your presentations.
Wow.. so they outdid themselves yet again.
Now I want an enclosed version.
I have this SCS on an M&P45. I really, really like this DOT. Low mount, no plate, auto brightness is on point, never needs a battery, good size for carry, basically same size as a 407k height wise. Love it. I plan on buying another.
Damn, I did not see that review coming. Went from absolutely no way I'd buy this to seriously considering buying one.
That “burn down” Hollywood never ending magazine edit is amazing. I’d go cross eyed trying to focus on my dot will it’s singing a sing along bouncing ball song haha.
Am I the only one here that exclusively hears Aaron when buying optics? I mean, all gunTubers starts are fine and appreciated, but I can’t trust their opinion.
Mr. Aaron, thank you for taking the time make these videos.
Awesome Review! I picked up the SCS MOS for my Gen 5 G20 last month and I just got my Gen 5 G21 and I am planning to get a SCS for it and the Gen 5 G22 that currently has a Holosun 507c ver.2.0 Green because the SCS is as much of a Game changer today as the 507c was 5 years ago. I also have a Gen 4 G41 that has an Original 507c Red that will eventually end up with the SCS MOS and the 507c will go on other pistols or rifles that I have because I still like the 507c but for a Glock with MOS it is CRAZY not to go with a SCS MOS since there is no need for the plate and the unit follows the same pattern as the rear serrations which to me is a very nice attention to Detail that Holosun did. I have the New P320 X-Ten and I am waiting for that unit to be released so I can put it on my X-Ten.
Aaron was your T/E unit made of Titanium or Aluminum? I know that Holosun went with Titanium for the MOS unit but it looks like all the other releases as of right now are going to be Aluminum and I am trying to figure out why.
Recently bought an mos pistol, so this video was extremely hopeful. Thank you.
You should have way more subscribers man I love this channel and I love all your videos and reviews
wondering if they will make an enclosed version likethe scs 320?
Purchased mine and used it for 500 rounds and sad to say, despite my initial excitement, I’m going to be returning mine this week. The bloom on the 2 MOA dot was way too intense and wasn’t as clean as my friend’s R1PRO. Was really hoping for a better test run, the SCS 320 user manual called for 15 inch lbs of torque and the optic became loose after 350-400 rounds. I don’t have astigmatism and asked a few others to look through the optic and verify my findings.
Concealdd carry is a problem with open emmitter. Dust,dirt ,sweat,rain and fogging can completely obstruct your sight picture.
Been carrying my RMR for years. Hiking, fishing, hunting, grocery runs, competition. I’ve been soaked in a downpour, I’ve ridden ATVs all day during dry summer where I was choked from dust. Never had an issue with my open emitter.
Had an ACRO for two weeks before the nitrogen purge leaked out and the Mississippi humidity came in. That killed the usability of the optic.
What if I want to direct mount this to my m&p 2.0 compact with suppressor height sights ?? Would the sights block out the glass to much ?
When it comes to reviews, the ONLY reviews I trust are from Garand Thumb and Sage Dynamics. Now I feel I can check this light out for myself. If it passes this test, it can do anything.
3:45 Aaron slips up and tells us that he's already got the cloud pistol light in testing
I hope you got one of the EPS too cause I'm really looking forward to your review on that before grabbing one for my 43x!
I’m supposed to be looking up recipes for supper tonight. We may be eating a little late.
Love my Holosun!
I have two of these mounted on Walther PDP pistols. Something I noticed is even with the optic off, it helps me pickup the iron sights faster. With a flashlight mounted on the pistol, acquiring the stock sights at night is much faster through the optic glass than without the optic mounted. This model optic is the sweet spot for me. I have other optics but suddenly they are silly compared to the SCS.
The flat top design is why it doesn't break. The 508T and 509T both have a flat top also. It allows all the shock to go down besides the glass--- where an arch optic pushes the impact right into the glass as it flexes. The RMR has those 'ears at the top, which does the same thing-- causes the impact to transfer down the sides of the housing, and not into the glass..
The 407/507 still used the domed design and they managed to hold up to all the drop tests.
That said, yeah, the flat top is better.
@@pdxmarine1430 Yeah, I wondered why myself... Are they just making them thicker? Are they forged? I'm not sure why the 507 works great, but the swampfox breaks on the second drop every time? Personally, I just bought both 508T and 509T-- the square top Titanium definitely isn't going to break. I bought both of them for under $300 on quick sales on ebay--- but since then, they seem to stay over $400 now. People caught on to how great they are, and inflation isn't helping prices on Anything.
@@calholli Yeah I switched out the RMR on my P320 with a 509t, and my P365xl is running the 507k until the EPS carry comes out. I think the frame of the Holosuns is just pretty thick and that is what gives it the ability to hold up to drops where other domed red dots fail. That extra thickness just gives it enough rigidity to avoid breaking the glass on impact
Does holosun have any plan to take this new scs/photo cell/rechargeable battery concept and put it onto either a 503 or 510 or the like? That would be so awesome.
I’m sure they have to be considering it depending on sales.
Definitely getting one of these for the 10mm Glock I’m using for deer hunting
Yup, RMR has a true competitor now! Gonna have to add this to my list.. Great video, thorough explanation.
Handgun RDS are like computers. I want one, but I’m tempted to wait 6 months to see what they come out with next. They’re improving so quickly with many new models it seems.
With that logic you’re always waiting
You sold me. I subscribed and I'm gonna pick up a pair of these! Thank you!!
To me, this is so much sexier than a mailbox.
And I see people holding out for the fully enclosed version - that would entail moving the solar panel to the top, and the nice, unobstructive frame around the optic will be history.
Been waiting for the new holosun reviews
I'm hoping the micro enclosed 507k footprint optics are next
Just received mine today. I'm disappointed in the dot. It's distorted there is a red tint to the back side of the dot around the top. It looks their are 2 dots back to back. The circle dot combo is cainted. It's blooming in all intensities. Less in low light but it's there. I'm sending it back for accs. It needs work. I was really looking forward to having this optic on my 45 mos.
Appreciate the follow up. I usually wait a couple of years after releases to purchase new things…learned that from Sig.
I've been searching all over for someone with similar problems to me. I rma'ed mine and the next one they sent me was even worse!
Impressive, love to see innovation in this space.
I bet Holosun will make an ACSS Vulcan version! 😎
Sweet! Been looking forward to this one. Thank you as always!
8pm on Friday and Sage Dynamics's is out with a new optic video and Gold Rush is on Discover.... Can't get any better than this!!!!
Cancelled my EPS when I saw this available for my PDP. Just felt right! Getting an orange front sight to contrast with the green dot 🔥
Does anyone know if you can pre order an Holosun scs for H&K VP9SK?
That sight is such a great idea, I was worried about the auto adjust but that seems to be a nonissue.
What iron sights are on this weapon? Model number? Really like them. Thanks sage
For anyone on the fence on these there great only complaint is no shake awake feature
greetings from Brazil! between the SCS and the Holosun 508Tx2 (red), which one do you think is better?
Makes sense it will work. Watches like Citizen Eco-drive have been solar powered for years where a battery captures the electricity. Those watches can go months without light. Gshock as well for some models.
Wish they could make it an enclosed emitter that would be awesome.
I like the HOLOSUN multi reticle!!! Have a 507Cx2 on my 19MOS, I will swap it with the SCS as soon as I an get it and the 507 will go onto my 1301tactical ;-)
The SCS looks great and works like a beast - it should be far better than the Shield RMS, which I also was thinking about....