It's really sad in a poetic kind of way to hear groupies talk of the "love" they got. They don't realize they were used and thrown away for the next ones in the next town.
@@aestechtic7608 they all loved it today's groupies come out 10 years later and say there victims looks what happening to dahvie vanity now as we speak
Plenty of adults confuse sex with love and intimacy. This was a 14 year old, whose only experiences of sex, appeared to be as a transaction, effectively pimped out to rock stars.
This is the truth. I started going into bars and served alcohol when I was 15 years old in 1972. I don't remember ever being asked or ID'd even once. Young guys didn't get in but the girls sure did.
@@vtv123here6 yeah definitely, it would be nice if we were able to take all the fun parts of the 70s and have them now but leave all the bad parts. That’s just wishful thinking tho I know it will never happen
It's crazy. Lori was a 13 year old girl, from a broken home with an absent father and inattentive mother who was used then left behind by several rich, famous rock stars. She quit school, she got involved with drugs. It took her a long time to crawl out of that hole. What exactly is it about this scenario that you envy?
What? how can you blame men for that?? doesn't she have moral or values? didn't people warn her all the time? give me a friggin break. get this "women can do no wrong" lie out of your head.
The Great One TRUE LMAOOO someone on instagram tried to tell me the times were different as an excuse when I started questioning the fact james hetfield dated a 12 and 13 year old when he was 19/20/21/22. it doesn’t fucking matter if it was 1950s or 1980s. it’s fucking disgusting
Lori actually has aged well considering she had virtually no adult supervision growing up and became a groupie, used to see her and Sable Starr at different clubs in Hollywood
I say the truth even though it hurts this simpleton. She's gorgeous, more now in this clip then at age 14 when they were hot and heavy. When Jimmy dumped her it was on!. She went ape on some more age appropriate Be Be Buelle, a gorgeous blonde who was a talented musician. Tore her hair out and stuff. Really showed how desperate she was. Gross. I think he made a good decision, finally. Anyway, saw a newer clip of her & Pamela Debarre in a bar talking and both had gained a lot of weight. Lori looked, well nowhere near good. Alls well that ends well. I guess. I think I'm glad I'm not into that competitive rock scene.
Hey Az, I'm not saying anything about her sleeping with other men-you are, that makes YOU the bitch, not me. I'm saying how gorgeous she became, that's flattery and true. She did go ape when he dumped her. That is very sad and I would not wish that on anybody. Makes me glad I've never crossed paths with the rock crowd. A 14 year old is too young to deal with a sick 28 year old man's head games. She didn't deserve any of it. So Az, you want to mince words with this 6 foot tall Texas bitch, it's on whore. I'll pummel your fugly face in anywhere. This discussion isn't about you or me, but a lady much older than us both, so pick it wisely dumbass. You don't know her and you don't know me. So how stupid are you willing to get??
Oh, and to any who claim this wasn't going on, Pamela DeBarre confined their stories in her book, at the time was grossed out by how young the baby groupies were. She said Bowie came to town, and Lori appeared to be 'holding court' at her hotel, and Bowie stayed with her for a week. So no, Lori isn't lying about all this, there were enough pictures and witnesses. And if she is a liar now, it is testament to why you should not let your daughter get passed around like a joint by entitled, grandiose musicians and singers when she is just fourteen years old.
I remember in her book Pamela deBarre was jealous of the younger girls, because of course all the guys preferred them over the "older" (20 something) girls. She talks about the night she was on a "date" with Jimmie and how he dumped her for Lori and she was pretty upset over being dumped, and the fact that she mentions Lori was "holding court", like this tween was getting all the attention, she viewed Lori and the baby groupies as competition..you can see the disdain in Pamela's face when she talks about it in interviews, and not disdain for the men but disdain for these young girls taking away the attention from her!!
Amazing how memories get so fuzzy when confronted with an infamous story. You know they had their fun with her but as the decades passed they weren't so proud anymore.
How many times can you tell the same story. What happened with you between 20-40. Been with different people, did many things, had many problems, learned a lot and had good times and bad times. Then think about being the biggest rock star in the time of freedom. There are a lot of stories FORGOTTEN by the sheer wealth of stories to tell. Everyday was like a week jamming so much into that time. Traveling, interviews, concerts, press and fame it does crazy things now and these times have much less things going on as was happening then.
You can't believe anything that Lori spews. In another interview she said that she went to Jimmy willingly after he saw her picture in a magazine and wanted to meet her.
I think she lives in fantasy land haha. You can see the lies in her face whenever she gives an interview. The 'David Bowie' incident never happened. Jimmy used her whenever she was in town , then got sick of her and she moved on to others like the New York Dolls.. she was a whore and he was a user... simple as! and she's just spun a web of lies to get her 15 minutes
Most rock songs at the time celebrated young teens like Stray Cat Blues by the Stones and Young Girl by the Union Gap...and Zep's songs were full of those allusions like Sick Again..."someday you're reach 16"...and the Houses of the Holy and Blind Faith album and no one peeped then. Strange.
My deceased brother looked a lot like Plant. He loved Zeppelin. When he passed, I was looking through his bible and the words to Stairway to Heaven dropped out. Maybe he knew he was leaving us. 1981. We would drop our needles on our stereos to a Zeppelin song at the same time in our townhome and drive the bitchy neighbors crazy. God I miss the good ole days. TY Led Zeppelin for many memories
+Yimello Probably partly has to do with the abuse she encountered and wanting to monetize her experiences. This is really sad and disgusting. I feel bad for the way she's laughing it off, because she clearly doesn't realize how serious and predatory the entire situation was.
I couldn't even bring myself to date an 18-19yo when I was 26-27. I understand there's always been a blurring of lines with artists going all the way back to the Romantic poets, but goddamn dude. Anyone ever wonder if these artists are just a bit fucked up and that's why they're artists, but also why they're ethically elastic? I'm sure all the drugs only fuel the mental gymnastics one would have to engage in to rationalize pursuing someone half their age. Btw everyone should listen to the interview in which Quentin Tarantino openly defends Roman Polanski drugging and raping a thirteen year-old.
The thing is he didn't keep her locked up. There are pics of them out together, and she admitted to being at their LA shows. Jimmy never took her out of LA. Also he didn't keep her around for years. Jimmy only saw her when he was in LA during the 72/73 tour. I think Lori dramatizes the story either because it helps her cope or because it gets her more attention.
@@LucyAyler Defenitely! On one hand we should all believe Lori about the statutory SA but on the other we can not confirm at all what exactly happened so we won't get any real #metoo against Page. She was a professional groupie and made a lot of her later income off these stories so they had to stay interesting. She's told about 20 different stories about how she met Page, most of which do not involve kidnapping of any kind. Depending on the media outlet she is talking to, her stories are framed either as 'poor exploited little girl' or 'creepy wet dream'. For example: 1. in another story she seduced Jimmy together with fellow underage groupie Sable Starr after meeting at a disco and they both lose their virginities in a bisexual threesome with the man. 2. In yet another story Sable threatens Lori's life with a knife when she tries to approach Jimmy and she heroically gets the 'man of her dreams' anyway by being sexier than Star. 3. One of the most confusing: she thought she was a lesbian and only went with Jimmy because of his 'feminine qualities' after which she continued frquenting him because he opened her eyes to a whole new world lol So yeah, absolutely statutory rape but it's pretty unlikely that he literally had her locked up somewhere, especially considering the sheer amount of pictures and groupie stories existing of her with other stars (Bowie, Jagger, Pop...) in the timeframe she names for her kidnapping.
Of course she was happy. It was the thrill of having a dream come true. That's her reality. She wasn't feeling like a "victim" That girl was probably feeling more powerful than she ever had in her life at the thought that this star wanted her so much. That would be heady as hell for a 14 year old, music mad girl.
Lori Mattix (sometimes known as Maddox) says she was just 14 when she lost her virginity to David Bowie. Her next lover was Jimmy Page. Now 59, she says she never thought of herself as a groupie, but tells me that the affair with Page was “the most beautiful pure love I thought I could ever feel. I’d only had sex once before in my whole life. I felt like I’d won the lottery.” She juxtaposes it with other experiences “where men have harassed me … it’s a different thing when you allow someone to be with you”. Lori was living with her mom and sneak out with gf to some of seediest bars where the "rockstars' ( fame,glory,money,power = chick magnet.Like Mick Jagger said "I didn't ask her for drivers license"
She's already changed her story to being 15 when David Bowie supposedly took her virginity, but she'd already been on tour with LZ by then. I don't believe anything she says unless there's witnesses or other evidence to back it up.
She is remembering back 50 years after a life of drugs and alcohol. Led Zeppelin slept with a lot of minors. The minors weren't taking notes.@@corn9251
This is 8 years late but yeah I also notice that. An article even pointed out that details in her story keep changing. A lot of times she contradicts her past interviews.
Yes that kidnapping thing is soooo great when someone you like kidnapps you. I bet he wouldn’t proceed if things weren’t right and she didn’t like him. It’s kind of a kink. That shows Jimmy had style.
If you all read the book "Hammer of the Gods" it explains that the shark was actually a red snapper. This clip it was mentioned "snapper." It was because she had red hair and it was a red snapper. Also it was John Bonam and their manager Peter Grant. The story with Lori and Page was yes she was 14 and he was 23 24. Her parents also gave their blessing. Obviously if Page was not a wealthy rock God I'm sure her parents would have thought differently. Plus only weird parents would allow their teen daughter to be in a magazine like that. Fame and fortune does weird things to people. Read the story behind Drew Barrymore and Brooke Shields.
yes i for what i remembered it was bonzo,cole and grant and someone else page was not there and plant and jpj hightaled,that why plant said he can’t remember again he shows integrity☝🏻
"He was a beautiful person and he touched my life." Yet, she admits to being kept a prisoner in the hotel, she was underage, and Page would not let her have any life of her own. Yeah, he really was a "beautiful person."
These girls would lie about their age too. This wasn't a one way street of famous musicians chasing down 14 year olds. These guys would bag 5 girls a night sometimes. I mean if you were Jimmy page you could walk into a room and just stand there and the girls would be begging for you to sleep with them. This is how it was. The musicians didn't have time or a care to check their I.D. lol.
How men can talk and smirk about what they participated in either directly or indirectly with said girl without hanging their heads in shame is utterly astounding. Seared conscience.
He was probably one of the most beautiful men in rock, n back then, thing's were just different.. If I had been her I would have also been there.. Jimmy used to buy his girl's clothes n lots of great stuff.. He was very kind.. Great story.. 🎶🤗🎵
This might sound dumb... But did those young groupie girls dropout of highschool? Or did they just hangout on the sunset strip on the weekend/whenever the bands came.
This happened in 1971-1973. It is now 2017. If Lori or her parents wanted to press charges, they could have done so long ago. But they didn't. People really need to give this a rest.
God I'm laughing my ass off:"They were together for several years" what the fuuck,the thing is that Page was a player who knew how to make himself liked and loved because he seemed nice and gentle but the thing was that he made fools out of those girls and they are still so happy about their "relationships" with him and I think it's just sad...I know guys who act just like this and it's actually quite easy to recognize them but I feel sorry for the girls mostly.
mihaela cherciu Page was also heavily under the influence of narcotics, alcohol etc... In his photo journal, he never mentions any of these girls. It was a different time then, one of incredible excess and yes, it’s sad that these girls believe they were muses. They were diversions from life on the road.
he literally watched bebe and lori fight in the hallway of a hotel bc she caught him in bed with bebe. he was laughing. jimmy didn’t bother to stop it because he was amused
I just watched another documentary, where Lori Maddox was filmed telling, a different story. She was modeling and Page saw her photos. He asked to meet her. She went to the Hyatt (Riot) hotel. She was excited to meet him and fell instantly in love. She never once used the term kidnapped or said she was under lock and key. It's a fact, at 14 years old, she was regular at 3 different Sunset Strip rock bars and the (Riot) Hotel. Before meeting Page, she was already part of the rock groupie scene.
@luckygirl8879 I'm not blaming the girls. I'm simply stating that we are all responsible for our actions. If I had raped, abused or taken advantage of the dozens of girls who threw themselves at me in the 70s, when I was a short, skinny, young teenage Rocker kid with glasses, would I not have been responsible for my actions, because of my undeveloped prefrontal cortex? I turned a lot of the more innocent and love struck girls away, because I didn't want to break anyone's heart, but it certainly wasn't easy to be a "nice guy" in the 70s Rocker culture. Girls would knock on my door in the middle of the night and I would send them home and remind them that my parents were trying sleep. They would come back another time, knock on my window, crawl inside my room, take off both of our clothes and start having sex with me. No invitation, no phone calls and I hadn't even actively hit on them or strongly flirted with them. A few times, girls would suddenly remember that they had a boyfriend, whom they never told me about and they would burst into tears during sex which was 100% planned, premeditated and initiated by the girls. Now, all of a sudden I'm a 16 year old psychologist, telling them not to feel too guilty about cheating on the guy or lying to me or showing up unannounced and uninvited and basically jumping my bones. I would tell them, we all make mistakes and not to beat themselves up about it. I would send them home and tell them to go patch things up with their boyfriends. But, according to you, I could've taken advantage of their conflicted mental states and I could've talked them into finishing what they started and I wouldn't have been responsible, because of my conveniently undeveloped prefrontal cortex. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to excuse or white knight for groupies or let's try to be respectful and we'll call them uninhibited young ladies. I was responsible enough as a teenage boy enough to use condoms even when the girls asked me not to. I was responsible enough to choose to have sex with girls whom I felt, had some chance of becoming my girlfriend or with girls who were very sexually experienced and clearly not interested having steady boyfriends. I went out of my way to actively try not be a heartbreaker, like some of my male friends and to try to at least be friends with the girls whom I slept with rather than just "humpin and dumpin" which was very common back in the day. Even the girls did it to the guys. You seem to be saying that because of my young age, I wasn't responsible for at least trying to be responsible during an EXTREMELY wild time in our history. I could have been a complete man-whore and had sex with girls who were still crying about cheating on their boyfriends or I could've talked them into finishing what they started and I would've been covered under the "undeveloped prefrontal cortex clause, article 507.103". Some people have no idea what it was like back then. Several years ago, I went to a barbecue with a bunch of friends from high-school whom I hadn't seen in 30 years. All of them were married. We were joking around and laughing about the fact that half of us slept with each other in high school. Like, I said, I'm not excusing grown men, who sleep with teenage girls, but I'm also not excusing teen girls who quite literally throw their naked bodies on top of guys, who never even asked them for it. Now, just to be clear, I don't think it's wrong for teen girls to be as horny and sexually active as teen boys, but we are all responsible for our actions as teenagers.
I don’t think they’re trying to shift the blame yall I think they’re saying the version of events and time frames are different lori is known to tell different versions of stories abt her time in the 70s she said she lost her virginity to David bowie at 15 but also says she had to be available for sex while with Jimmy at 14
@timmotel5804 Exactly! And there's nothing wrong with that. Some people just don't understand the lengths that some of these girls went through to hook up with Rockstars or even just regular guys like me. I read an article once and some people wouldn't believe the amount of planning those girls did to get a night away from their parent, miles away from home in another city, all dolled up I'm make and clothes that they're parents wouldn't let them wear, going entrance to over 21 clubs and then getting themselves introduced to Rockstars. And this was all planned by girls who were unde Young girls can be very clever. I remember one girl in junior high school, who wanted to spend the night with me. I said, "How? I'm on restriction. I can't leave the house." She said, I'll tell my mom that I'm staying at my friends house and I'll climb in your window at night." She was the first of many girls to do that. Later that night, after we had sex. I said, "What's if my mom comes into my room in the morning? Can you go sneak into your girlfriend's room and crash?" She said, "No, stupid. Just get me a pillow and a blanket, and I'll sleep in your closet when we get tired." We were both 13 years old. She was way ahead of me in terms of devious teenager strategy. Those young teenage girls had more plans than an architect. Their schemes were more devious than the boys' and usually less dangerous. I didn't reach that level of teenage caper planning until at least two years later.
The problem with Lori is her stories never have a date. If she mentions the year or something we'd know for sure. I know the day Jimmy dumped her because there are photos of that night with the date mentioned. At the Swan Song Label Launch party in 1974 she caught him cheating on her with Playboy model Bebe Buell. I just badly wanna know the day he 'kidnapped' her. Firstly I don't get why she says kidnap. In that documentary she's all like she loved it and still says the word kidnapped -_-
Zoe Kouf Liv wouldnt be as popular and she wouldnt be an actress and model if her father was Jimmy though. She wouldnt even be Liv anyways, she would be a Page.
As a gen-xer it really disgusts me that this is what the whole decade viewed as living the life and the rock and roll lifestyle. Punk was against that whole mindset along with the neo psychedelia/alternative bands of the late' 80's early 90's and shoegaze too. Women should be in bands too and not make it a "thing". The Go-Go's were basically a pop female version of this whole "Rock and roll debauchery" mindset.They though were female misogynists that that was somehow "taking their power back".
The man who abducted that groupie ,Lori was Richard Cole. He and Lori still contact. But Jimmy does not want to meet any of ex-groupies. Jimmy never loved them, just used girls on the road like many other rockers. Lori should learn that. She should not use his name for money and her (fake) fame.
I've seen another interview from Lori saying that she was a fan of Zeppelin and Jimmy told someone to find her for him cause he had seen her on a magazine.... Soooooo she's lying about something cause those are 2 completely different stories....
Thats pretty much what lori said, she just did not mention that she was already was a fan, and probobly perhaps didnt even know of jimmy page as being a member of that band. It was a vague description I agree. I make mad money and fuck bitches.
She was his hook-up in L.A., I mean how often did she get to see him. Come on, back in the seventies everybody at my high school wanted to be a groupie. There was this mystique about these musicians(Jimmy Page)that made us not care that these men were so much older than us.
I know what I experienced witnessing culture in the late 1980's and throughout the 1990's. It was other level stuff. People can't and won't ever understand. It was unreal...and very much at the same time.
Girls always just pretend they don't like it as much as men and the ones who play coy hard at the beginning are the ones that want it the most. Not a very popular opinion in 2018 but let's face it is true. But Page was taking a huge risk because she was only 14 years old. He could have went to jail for a long time.
lol but she acts as if she were kidnapped, when i've read about how she cried and was "desperate" for jimmy, going to look for him and she apparently tore the hair out from another chick jimmy was seeing from what IVE READ.
Jimmy wasn't with her for several years. He only saw her when he was in LA on tour. I think he liked Lori more than the average groupie though. But Jimmy had soooo many groupies and he doesn't speak well of any of them now, even Lori.
@@therock-a-roller rubbish they deserve all the blame in the world. You acting as if sleeping with underage women was not illegal back then. Page knew what he was doing was wrong that’s why he kept Lori Maddox locked in a room because he knew he would go to jail if the cops caught him.
Richard Cole We never viewed those girls as 14yrs old, None of those girls were 14yrs old." Bullshit Richard, everybody who's read up on Zeppelin knows about Jimmy's obsession for Lori Maddox.The rock stars of today don't have that kind of power Jimmy had. If Jimmy wanted something, somebody, HE GOT IT/THEM...
It was a different time. Now that shit wouldn't fly at all, but back then, somewhat it did. Like every other rockstar did the same as well. Even then those girls came to the hotels in clothes that made 'em look way older than they actually were; they knew what they were doing...
Regarding the Edgewaer Hotel in Seattle mud shark incident: It was Led Zeppelin's tour manager Richard Cole (by his own account) and some redheaded slut groupie tied to a bed -- and it was a red snapper fish, not a mud shark. Not Jimmy, not Robert, but surprisingly it actually John Bonham in the room while it all took place; though everyone else's band claims to have been there to gain notoriety of some kind ... and I am not sure that Bonzo actually participated in the incident.
@zephyra That's the curse of being a sexual scoundrel. One day it might be YOUR daughter getting bullied and coerced into doing something both of them know is wrong.
@popwarskatemore7 Travelling Riverside Blues...awesome song, wasn't released until the box set came out back in 1990, along with a video on MTV, which was awesome as well! Cheers.
Let’s get real....these guys were incredible musical artists at the top of their game, but personally corrupted by fame which they will be held accountable for in this world or the next. Karma is always operating and no one “cheats it.”
Yes! They are! The music of that whole era has got to be some of the best ever - incredible the number of really good bands, musicians, the great inspiration of the times, and so many last-forever type songs. The gorgeous long hair guys - oh my. On a summer afternoon in some park, shirts off ... Oh yes, I'd go back for day! A week! A year! I wish! I think it takes a long time to really begin to know oneself, what you really like and want. I'd like to make some new choices and do some new things!
Oh my goodness! I can so relate! I remember going to the park in the summer, guy's throwing frisbees, with hair down their backs.. How I miss those beautiful bods.. 😍
@lynnetteb711 I heard from a few people who actually know Jimmy Page that he loved and respected only Charlotte Martin and that they are still good friends even today.Now they have a little granddaughter.Jimmy,Charlotte and Jimena and all the children of theirs are going very well.Jimmy often tells that way in some interviews.I trust what he says.
@euphemismsfordeath Lori told that story about a second fling with Jimmy in the 80's for a few years than stopped once people called her out on it. She also used to say that Jimmy married Patricia only because she was pregnant (their son was born two years after the marriage) and Bonham visited her in LA in 81 (he died in 1980). There are alot of holes in her stories. What makes you believe this one?
Robert &JPJ were the tamest of the band. They only indulged in weed & alcohol. The only band member that came to the funeral for Roberts son that died was his Bff Bonzo. That hit Robert hard. He didn't know if he even wanted to stay with the band after that. I don't blame him. He said he thought they were his friends. Friends don't do BS like that
@@firehealer are you stupid or what? Rumors are not Rumours! The name of Fleetwood Mac's album is Rumours. Who brought up Fleetwood in the first place? 👎👎
@@brigetteguilliams3662 Interesting, to what degree was the band involved with underage groupies?Was it just Page? Was the underage groupie stuff really true or was it overblown? Was Led Zeppelin really engaged in so much debauchery or was it exaggerated? And how do you know most of the rumours, are just that, rumours?
Nobody would have any interest in the tales of excess if Zeppelin weren't the greatest rock band that ever stepped on a stage. In the long run all that will matter is the music.
Danielle Dumont In 1970s Los Angeles, it was a different universe than today. A 14 year old girl having sex with four men twice her age at the same time could actually convince herself and others that it was liberating. The police and many parents were like "we don't care about these teenage wastoids."
Lori's mother was allegedly an Talent Agent on the scene at the time and effectively threw her daughter upon famous, rich rock stars. Who were much older. She apparently didn't have a problem with her daughter sleeping with or hanging around rocks stars. Lori said in an Interview that Jimmy asked her mothers permission to see her and her mother fully agreed. So her mum was fully aware of what Lori was up to. Figures?
Yeah, Jimmy didn't treat the groupies well at all. They way he tossed Lori and pamela aside when he was done with them was really heartless. I also think Cole loved Lori, not Jimmy. It's pretty obvious reading his book. Explains alot too.
I get the impression that Cole was probably a lot more of a creep than anyone knows. Everything about him was dodgy, definitely some skeletons in his closet.
0_0 whoa just another thing that makes the 70's so esoteric, and mystical. This could never happen today to a very successful band. Robert is always so witty, and colorful words that slippery bastard xD And Pagie the pimp heheh. Is Bonzo Italian LOL he never gets caught with anything. I guess Jonesy is an MI6 agent with a 00 rating seeing as how he is never mentioned, remembered, or has a solid alibi. I think I'll get a teenage girl now.
So what a night! True 60's experience and ecstacy. The moon landing that very night, a Zep gig, up close and personal with them in the dressing room before the show (what a bunch too!), and that night a huge storm raged thunder, lightning, and unholy wind. Blew this tent till I thought it was coming down. And my GF wishing she could be one of Zep's women! I don't know if she really heard the concert. It was a totally awesome night!
I remember this story about Lori and Jimmy. They were in the magazine's a lot back in the day, I know they dated a few yrs than he dumped her for Bebe Buel and it broke her heart. I still have some of the old magazine's that have pics of Lori and Jimmy together out drinking. At 14 how did she get into bars and drink?..plus where was her parental supervision?..What kind of family did Lori come from to be allowed to date a 25 yr old man when she was just 14??..David bowie took her virginity when she was 13..I remember being envious of Lori back in the day and I so wanted to be a groupie too but it's not me to sleep around whether your rich and famous or not..I lived vicariously through Lori and Pam even though my crush was foe Robert Plant and not Jimmy...those were the days..70's rocked!!..lol..
@smooro Agreed. Lori Maddox might have been only 14, but what was she doing being a groupie and hanging out on Sunset Strip at that age? Where were her parents? Plus, these girls were dressing and acting far older than their age. I don't think the rock stars always knew just how young these girls really were.
This is FABulous!!! I know Carmine Appice (my Late Husband worked with John Lennon and grew up with Vinny Martell and Carmine, and they were much older than myself), and Carmine told me that Decadence was their gift [Vanilla Fudge]. If I hadn't Married my Late Husband, I wouldn't have met all these people, and have Paulie 'Ace Frehley write, and Record a Song about me, just on sight, and gave me the Rights to it. I am too young to have been a part of that Scene, but it was Decadence. "Keep the Boys happy, and that's all that matters", was the Credo. Mud Sharks, piles of shaving cream to slide down naked at the Hyatt [Riot] House and much more was part of it all. But we got the Greatest Music Ever. Thank You!!!
It's weird how on the one hand there are shows like To Catch a Predator, where they purposely trap some guy who's after underage sex, humiliate the person on TV, arrest him, sometimes send him to jail, and basically screw the person's life over for sex that was never even had. On the other hand, you've got people like Jimmy Page who was having sex with a child, and the rest of his band and people around him just let it happen, meanwhile he's praised as a great rock star.
Well he IS a Great Rock Star. Bur society is itself, very demented, deluded and also, really screwed up from religions. What ever makes mone$$$$, is what they'll do. It's ALL About Money... Even Religions. The "DOLLAR IS GOD", so to speak
@@timmotel5804I'm not talking about money. I was talking about the hypocricy of letting someone like him have sex with underaged girls, while others are prosecuted and have their lives ruined.
It's the 'if I only knew then what I know now' mentality I think alot of women experience as they get older. The self empowerment and confidence that goes with it. Maybe I wouldn't take things back, just do them a bit differently. But what a great time to be young, huh? The music, the partying, the gorgeous long haired men. Plant and Page are still HOT
Shark thing happened on 7/27/1969. I was not only at Zep's gig in Cleveland, under this huge tent just a few nights before, 7/20/69 (the night of the first moon landing!), but was in the *tiny* dressing room before the show. My fellow guitar player friend's dad was a reporter for the Cle Plain Dealer, was doing an interview, and got us in. There was no room, jammed up on eachother, I was squeezed between Bonham and Page. My GF at the time was totally loving this! I believe she peed her panties.
When you see the footage of Zeppelin backstage at Albert Hall (with Jeff Beck, too!) in 1970 it looks cramped. I can't imagine it in smaller venues. Jesus.
If anyone's ever read hammer of the gods you know the real shark story. It was Richard Cole and Bonzo and it wasnt a shark it was a red snapper. They were shark fishing out of a hotel in San Francisco and the girl ironically was a ginger #redsnapper and loved it according to Cole
@SexyRaww Thank you for your response.I respect your personal opinion.But this is the FACT that Jimmy has nothing to do with ex-groupies at all today.He might not even remember their names.On the other hand,he is still very friendly with Charlotte and Jimena.I think 'true love affair' should be admitted by both sides,but groupies' claims are always one-side.AND if your focus is at music you had better to post your opinion on the other page, not here.
Robert said Pamela's book was part of the LZ "mythos". Maybe that was his nice way of admitting it wasn't 100% accurate. Robert slept with his share of 13 year old girls too but he never gets called out on it, which isn't really fair. And Robert always seemed to be much nicer to the girls even now than Jimmy ever was. Read the lyrics to Sick Again and you can see.
JImena is much different form Lori Maddoxn in fact!To begin with,Jimmy never fell in love with Maddox.She was just easy for every musicians who visited LA in those days.Can you seriously believe Jimmy Page loved groupies???He just used them on the road.
It's really sad in a poetic kind of way to hear groupies talk of the "love" they got. They don't realize they were used and thrown away for the next ones in the next town.
@Time Traveller You just used the word methinks ffs, so I think you are trying, but failing to be clever.
it is not poetic at all 💀
So true . They were so blinded by the way they were fucked by these rockstars
@@aestechtic7608 they all loved it today's groupies come out 10 years later and say there victims looks what happening to dahvie vanity now as we speak
Plenty of adults confuse sex with love and intimacy. This was a 14 year old, whose only experiences of sex, appeared to be as a transaction, effectively pimped out to rock stars.
This is the truth. I started going into bars and served alcohol when I was 15 years old in 1972. I don't remember ever being asked or ID'd even once. Young guys didn't get in but the girls sure did.
i always got IDed. i was 21 and looked 15
I wish life was a little more like the 70s these days:/
@@kaiaswrld yeah same
@@kaiaswrld there's lots of downsides to this though
@@vtv123here6 yeah definitely, it would be nice if we were able to take all the fun parts of the 70s and have them now but leave all the bad parts. That’s just wishful thinking tho I know it will never happen
It's crazy. Lori was a 13 year old girl, from a broken home with an absent father and inattentive mother who was used then left behind by several rich, famous rock stars. She quit school, she got involved with drugs. It took her a long time to crawl out of that hole. What exactly is it about this scenario that you envy?
I think its sad and depressing myself.
The peckers .
What? how can you blame men for that?? doesn't she have moral or values? didn't people warn her all the time? give me a friggin break. get this "women can do no wrong" lie out of your head.
@@jurassicthunder if they weren't blaming they wouldn't be women.
@@jurassicthunder did you miss the part where she was a a minor when this happened to her. Let's blame the child instead of the grown men
Lori needed parents who cared enough to look after her.
She was just kind of a bitch. Not slut-shaming but ... yeah
@@mrmeeseeks4588 wtf she was a minor who was seduced by famous men how does that make her a bitch? Theyre pedophiles
@@purplekitkatemily I agree. Somebody should have went to prison?
@Mezza And then we had famous Tedophile nugent.He even brags about it?He should be in prison right now.
The Great One TRUE LMAOOO someone on instagram tried to tell me the times were different as an excuse when I started questioning the fact james hetfield dated a 12 and 13 year old when he was 19/20/21/22. it doesn’t fucking matter if it was 1950s or 1980s. it’s fucking disgusting
Lori actually has aged well considering she had virtually no adult supervision growing up and became a groupie, used to see her and Sable Starr at different clubs in Hollywood
she had to have no supervision and what about authorities?? I dont understand..
she was well hidden by Page and how the hell they got away with half of that shit we'll never know
Because we weren't told it was an outrage to do such a thing back then. We had to be schooled.
"He was a beautiful person and he touch my life, deeply."
I bet he did, repeatedly.
Lol
I thought Obama was a beautiful woman until I went to specsavers.
DeadBunny69 😂🤣😂🤣😂👏
More like he touched the back of her throat
@@rintintin7529 big mike
I can't help but think what happened to Lori Maddox was sad. She was just a kid and got treated so badly by so many people.
It's amazing she didn't turn to drugs or alcohol and die at a very young age!
@@Adrianafaith123 She did those things for a while, but got help early on.
Jimmy wasn't the only one Lori slept with. She had other Rock Stars like Mick Jagger, Iggy Pop, David Bowie & Keith moon.
Is she really that attractive?
Rocky Coroner Nah
ella_mermaid Then why did they all choose to sleep with her?
I say the truth even though it hurts this simpleton. She's gorgeous, more now in this clip then at age 14 when they were hot and heavy. When Jimmy dumped her it was on!. She went ape on some more age appropriate Be Be Buelle, a gorgeous blonde who was a talented musician. Tore her hair out and stuff. Really showed how desperate she was. Gross. I think he made a good decision, finally. Anyway, saw a newer clip of her & Pamela Debarre in a bar talking and both had gained a lot of weight. Lori looked, well nowhere near good. Alls well that ends well. I guess. I think I'm glad I'm not into that competitive rock scene.
Hey Az, I'm not saying anything about her sleeping with other men-you are, that makes YOU the bitch, not me. I'm saying how gorgeous she became, that's flattery and true. She did go ape when he dumped her. That is very sad and I would not wish that on anybody. Makes me glad I've never crossed paths with the rock crowd. A 14 year old is too young to deal with a sick 28 year old man's head games. She didn't deserve any of it. So Az, you want to mince words with this 6 foot tall Texas bitch, it's on whore. I'll pummel your fugly face in anywhere. This discussion isn't about you or me, but a lady much older than us both, so pick it wisely dumbass. You don't know her and you don't know me. So how stupid are you willing to get??
Oh, and to any who claim this wasn't going on, Pamela DeBarre confined their stories in her book, at the time was grossed out by how young the baby groupies were.
She said Bowie came to town, and Lori appeared to be 'holding court' at her hotel, and Bowie stayed with her for a week.
So no, Lori isn't lying about all this, there were enough pictures and witnesses. And if she is a liar now, it is testament to why you should not let your daughter get passed around like a joint by entitled, grandiose musicians and singers when she is just fourteen years old.
They this rock stars have guilty concience ?
@@angelicaquirarte The dead ones? 🤔 Probably not. 😆😅🤪
I remember in her book Pamela deBarre was jealous of the younger girls, because of course all the guys preferred them over the "older" (20 something) girls. She talks about the night she was on a "date" with Jimmie and how he dumped her for Lori and she was pretty upset over being dumped, and the fact that she mentions Lori was "holding court", like this tween was getting all the attention, she viewed Lori and the baby groupies as competition..you can see the disdain in Pamela's face when she talks about it in interviews, and not disdain for the men but disdain for these young girls taking away the attention from her!!
Amazing how memories get so fuzzy when confronted with an infamous story. You know they had their fun with her but as the decades passed they weren't so proud anymore.
How many times can you tell the same story. What happened with you between 20-40. Been with different people, did many things, had many problems, learned a lot and had good times and bad times. Then think about being the biggest rock star in the time of freedom. There are a lot of stories FORGOTTEN by the sheer wealth of stories to tell. Everyday was like a week jamming so much into that time. Traveling, interviews, concerts, press and fame it does crazy things now and these times have much less things going on as was happening then.
Lori - “We were models, not groupies”
Documentary - “Lori Maddox - Former Groupie”
Lol
Boondocks moment
Smith THEY WERE NASTY WOMEN THAT SLEPT WITH MEN BECAUSE THEY WERE RICH AND FAMOUS THATS A GROUPIE
@@tiffanycurtis4794 They were kids that were raped by creeps like Jimmy Page
@@topologyrob That's not true. Come on man, that's the best guitarist in the world hands done. Bad comment! 👎♑🥀
@@jameskelley9165 It's just a fact
I would like to hear what Jimmy has to say about Lori
Will goblin face Page face any investigation for this? Of course not he would just buy his way out of it.
@Lloyd Bonafide ,lol
@Lloyd Bonafide On this episode of shit that didnt happen.
@@ledzeppelinfan1001 What if it really did happen lmao how funny would that be
Lloyd Bonafide ...yeh, right! 🤣
Even now page is 72 and is going out with 25 year old
WHAAT! Really???
chill jimmy just wants to feel young forever
Because he can!
Oh god. That's um..interesting lol.
Atleast she's over 18. If James was dating a woman his age, he would probably be miserable.
Many years later page met up with Lori and said “we were young back then”to which she replied “I certainly was”😝😝
You can't believe anything that Lori spews. In another interview she said that she went to Jimmy willingly after he saw her picture in a magazine and wanted to meet her.
I think she lives in fantasy land haha. You can see the lies in her face whenever she gives an interview. The 'David Bowie' incident never happened. Jimmy used her whenever she was in town , then got sick of her and she moved on to others like the New York Dolls.. she was a whore and he was a user... simple as! and she's just spun a web of lies to get her 15 minutes
Freda L Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. Lori is a pathological liar.
It probably looked like a roll of quarters!;-)
She also said she was a virgin when she did this with Jimmy, but then claims David Bowie took her virginity??
@Conan 1812 Na I like them big titties
Most rock songs at the time celebrated young teens like Stray Cat Blues by the Stones and Young Girl by the Union Gap...and Zep's songs were full of those allusions like Sick Again..."someday you're reach 16"...and the Houses of the Holy and Blind Faith album and no one peeped then. Strange.
The Stones were 19, when they started touring. Their fans were teenage girls.
My deceased brother looked a lot like Plant. He loved Zeppelin. When he passed, I was looking through his bible and the words to Stairway to Heaven dropped out. Maybe he knew he was leaving us. 1981. We would drop our needles on our stereos to a Zeppelin song at the same time in our townhome and drive the bitchy neighbors crazy. God I miss the good ole days. TY Led Zeppelin for many memories
Why'd he die?
So he was a gorgeous man. I once dated someone only because he looked like a young Plant
Lori is constantly changing her story about how she met Jimmy. He definitely didn't kidnap her.
+Paul Michael that's what I have always read. a roadcrew member supposedly accosted her.
The "kidnapping" story was made up by herself and Richard Cole for the book The Hammer of the Gods. There is no truth to it.
+Yimello Probably partly has to do with the abuse she encountered and wanting to monetize her experiences. This is really sad and disgusting. I feel bad for the way she's laughing it off, because she clearly doesn't realize how serious and predatory the entire situation was.
Paul noneofyabusiness I'm well-aware of this lol
The poor little innocent waif.
I couldn't even bring myself to date an 18-19yo when I was 26-27. I understand there's always been a blurring of lines with artists going all the way back to the Romantic poets, but goddamn dude. Anyone ever wonder if these artists are just a bit fucked up and that's why they're artists, but also why they're ethically elastic? I'm sure all the drugs only fuel the mental gymnastics one would have to engage in to rationalize pursuing someone half their age.
Btw everyone should listen to the interview in which Quentin Tarantino openly defends Roman Polanski drugging and raping a thirteen year-old.
Their brains must be wired differently in California, cause it's always people who went there acting this crazy
I listened to that...
Damn. And one of my favorite trilogies is: Kill Bill
That is disgusting of Quentin 🤮
@@gussfish8670no proof idiot. Joe Biden isn’t any better having showers with his own daughter?
This story morphs every year lol
The thing is he didn't keep her locked up. There are pics of them out together, and she admitted to being at their LA shows. Jimmy never took her out of LA. Also he didn't keep her around for years. Jimmy only saw her when he was in LA during the 72/73 tour. I think Lori dramatizes the story either because it helps her cope or because it gets her more attention.
Still grooming and likely statutory tho
She was just a fucking kid, tf is wrong with you
@@LucyAyler absolutely
@@RG-qc7dh don't know wtf you're talking about she was not a kid when she told these stories
@@LucyAyler Defenitely! On one hand we should all believe Lori about the statutory SA but on the other we can not confirm at all what exactly happened so we won't get any real #metoo against Page. She was a professional groupie and made a lot of her later income off these stories so they had to stay interesting.
She's told about 20 different stories about how she met Page, most of which do not involve kidnapping of any kind. Depending on the media outlet she is talking to, her stories are framed either as 'poor exploited little girl' or 'creepy wet dream'.
For example:
1. in another story she seduced Jimmy together with fellow underage groupie Sable Starr after meeting at a disco and they both lose their virginities in a bisexual threesome with the man.
2. In yet another story Sable threatens Lori's life with a knife when she tries to approach Jimmy and she heroically gets the 'man of her dreams' anyway by being sexier than Star.
3. One of the most confusing: she thought she was a lesbian and only went with Jimmy because of his 'feminine qualities' after which she continued frquenting him because he opened her eyes to a whole new world lol
So yeah, absolutely statutory rape but it's pretty unlikely that he literally had her locked up somewhere, especially considering the sheer amount of pictures and groupie stories existing of her with other stars (Bowie, Jagger, Pop...) in the timeframe she names for her kidnapping.
she certainly looks happy about what supposedly happened.
mike Braxus she is...I would be too!!!
@anders damin She changes the story every time she tells it
Of course she was happy. It was the thrill of having a dream come true. That's her reality. She wasn't feeling like a "victim" That girl was probably feeling more powerful than she ever had in her life at the thought that this star wanted her so much. That would be heady as hell for a 14 year old, music mad girl.
lori maddox wasnt the one who was fucked with the shark lmfao
@@zaker721 of course she felt all special and singled out by a powerful man, that's a grooming thing.
I luv how the grOupie lori keeps denying she's a groupie
Lori Mattix (sometimes known as Maddox) says she was just 14 when she lost her virginity to David Bowie. Her next lover was Jimmy Page. Now 59, she says she never thought of herself as a groupie, but tells me that the affair with Page was “the most beautiful pure love I thought I could ever feel. I’d only had sex once before in my whole life. I felt like I’d won the lottery.” She juxtaposes it with other experiences “where men have harassed me … it’s a different thing when you allow someone to be with you”. Lori was living with her mom and sneak out with gf to some of seediest bars where the "rockstars' ( fame,glory,money,power = chick magnet.Like Mick Jagger said "I didn't ask her for drivers license"
She's already changed her story to being 15 when David Bowie supposedly took her virginity, but she'd already been on tour with LZ by then. I don't believe anything she says unless there's witnesses or other evidence to back it up.
She's 63 now
Page is still a pedophile.
@@annwhite2346 agreed, there’s a lot of holes in the stories she tells and she changes her age in them constantly
She is remembering back 50 years after a life of drugs and alcohol. Led Zeppelin slept with a lot of minors. The minors weren't taking notes.@@corn9251
That woman has been dining out on that story for forty years.
This is 8 years late but yeah I also notice that. An article even pointed out that details in her story keep changing. A lot of times she contradicts her past interviews.
Somehow I don't think she'd want to get kidnapped by a plumber or bus driver.
Maybe if he was the Pete Townsend of 1968-1972 or Ivor the Engine driver!
Bruh she was 14. Just stop
Yes that kidnapping thing is soooo great when someone you like kidnapps you.
I bet he wouldn’t proceed if things weren’t right and she didn’t like him.
It’s kind of a kink. That shows Jimmy had style.
That dirty old bus driver. She sat on his lap, and with him took a nap.
@@KhayJayArt "was" now she's like your grandma
If you all read the book "Hammer of the Gods" it explains that the shark was actually a red snapper. This clip it was mentioned "snapper." It was because she had red hair and it was a red snapper. Also it was John Bonam and their manager Peter Grant.
The story with Lori and Page was yes she was 14 and he was 23 24. Her parents also gave their blessing. Obviously if Page was not a wealthy rock God I'm sure her parents would have thought differently. Plus only weird parents would allow their teen daughter to be in a magazine like that. Fame and fortune does weird things to people. Read the story behind Drew Barrymore and Brooke Shields.
Jimmy Page was 28 when Lori Maddox was 14.
@@annwhite2346 Truth..
yes i for what i remembered it was bonzo,cole and grant and someone else page was not there and plant and jpj hightaled,that why plant said he can’t remember again he shows integrity☝🏻
Integrity would have been stepping in and saying stop
@@yvonnesanders4308opportunity would be getting you dolphin waxed by a seasoned pro.
"None of those girls looked 14" Yes they did (3:52),they probably acted 14 too
Lol right?
"He was a beautiful person and he touched my life." Yet, she admits to being kept a prisoner in the hotel, she was underage, and Page would not let her have any life of her own. Yeah, he really was a "beautiful person."
He’s still the same now…
@@Hevva67 His most recent gf is in her late 20s..he's like 77..
@@margueritemazzeo2904 who cares, as long as he ain't forcing her...
@@vini_nicius643 I wasn't implying that..🤣
@@margueritemazzeo2904he’s a predator, it’s disgusting
How did Page get away with not being publically destroyed for sleeping a 14-year-old? 14!!!!!
These girls would lie about their age too. This wasn't a one way street of famous musicians chasing down 14 year olds. These guys would bag 5 girls a night sometimes. I mean if you were Jimmy page you could walk into a room and just stand there and the girls would be begging for you to sleep with them. This is how it was. The musicians didn't have time or a care to check their I.D. lol.
$$$$$
its sickening
The same way as Bowie.
Different times. I am not condoning it in the lest but just saying.
How men can talk and smirk about what they participated in either directly or indirectly with said girl without hanging their heads in shame is utterly astounding. Seared conscience.
Wow! Lori Mattix looks even better now than she did back in the day! I like the older version!
I second that!
He was probably one of the most beautiful men in rock, n back then, thing's were just different.. If I had been her I would have also been there.. Jimmy used to buy his girl's clothes n lots of great stuff.. He was very kind.. Great story.. 🎶🤗🎵
Not cool, Lady. Don't defend rape.
Bebe Buell, said he bought her one pair of shoes, Page bought a ton of stuff for himself though.
This might sound dumb... But did those young groupie girls dropout of highschool? Or did they just hangout on the sunset strip on the weekend/whenever the bands came.
Some did drop out and some just hung out in the evenings at the Strip
Sanhita Samant Oh, thanks! I just wasn't so sure
I know Sable Starr went to school while she was a groupie. In an interview she said she has to manage everything because of school.
Oh wow. I didn't know that. She seems like she would be one of the main girls to drop out
I'm sure road manager Richard Cole loved groupies much better than all members of Led Zeppelin did.
I bet he was just swooping in and grabbing all he could lmao!🤣
I was a runaway at 14 . It was a much different world then
A better world.
I was at that concert. Zeppelin was the warm up act for Vanilla Fudge. It was before they hit it big. Saw Hendrix that year too.
This happened in 1971-1973. It is now 2017. If Lori or her parents wanted to press charges, they could have done so long ago. But they didn't. People really need to give this a rest.
God I'm laughing my ass off:"They were together for several years" what the fuuck,the thing is that Page was a player who knew how to make himself liked and loved because he seemed nice and gentle but the thing was that he made fools out of those girls and they are still so happy about their "relationships" with him and I think it's just sad...I know guys who act just like this and it's actually quite easy to recognize them but I feel sorry for the girls mostly.
mihaela cherciu Page was also heavily under the influence of narcotics, alcohol etc... In his photo journal, he never mentions any of these girls. It was a different time then, one of incredible excess and yes, it’s sad that these girls believe they were muses. They were diversions from life on the road.
right
he literally watched bebe and lori fight in the hallway of a hotel bc she caught him in bed with bebe. he was laughing. jimmy didn’t bother to stop it because he was amused
He's still doing it today!!
Jjimmy went with loads of girls dont think he ever cared deeply for any of them
I just watched another documentary, where Lori Maddox was filmed telling, a different story. She was modeling and Page saw her photos. He asked to meet her. She went to the Hyatt (Riot) hotel. She was excited to meet him and fell instantly in love. She never once used the term kidnapped or said she was under lock and key. It's a fact, at 14 years old, she was regular at 3 different Sunset Strip rock bars and the (Riot) Hotel. Before meeting Page, she was already part of the rock groupie scene.
Imagine trying to blame someone with an undeveloped prefrontal cortex for the actions of a 20+ adult! Shame on you! I hope your loved ones know this.
@luckygirl8879 I'm not blaming the girls. I'm simply stating that we are all responsible for our actions. If I had raped, abused or taken advantage of the dozens of girls who threw themselves at me in the 70s, when I was a short, skinny, young teenage Rocker kid with glasses, would I not have been responsible for my actions, because of my undeveloped prefrontal cortex?
I turned a lot of the more innocent and love struck girls away, because I didn't want to break anyone's heart, but it certainly wasn't easy to be a "nice guy" in the 70s Rocker culture. Girls would knock on my door in the middle of the night and I would send them home and remind them that my parents were trying sleep.
They would come back another time, knock on my window, crawl inside my room, take off both of our clothes and start having sex with me. No invitation, no phone calls and I hadn't even actively hit on them or strongly flirted with them.
A few times, girls would suddenly remember that they had a boyfriend, whom they never told me about and they would burst into tears during sex which was 100% planned, premeditated and initiated by the girls. Now, all of a sudden I'm a 16 year old psychologist, telling them not to feel too guilty about cheating on the guy or lying to me or showing up unannounced and uninvited and basically jumping my bones. I would tell them, we all make mistakes and not to beat themselves up about it. I would send them home and tell them to go patch things up with their boyfriends.
But, according to you, I could've taken advantage of their conflicted mental states and I could've talked them into finishing what they started and I wouldn't have been responsible, because of my conveniently undeveloped prefrontal cortex.
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to excuse or white knight for groupies or let's try to be respectful and we'll call them uninhibited young ladies. I was responsible enough as a teenage boy enough to use condoms even when the girls asked me not to. I was responsible enough to choose to have sex with girls whom I felt, had some chance of becoming my girlfriend or with girls who were very sexually experienced and clearly not interested having steady boyfriends. I went out of my way to actively try not be a heartbreaker, like some of my male friends and to try to at least be friends with the girls whom I slept with rather than just "humpin and dumpin" which was very common back in the day. Even the girls did it to the guys.
You seem to be saying that because of my young age, I wasn't responsible for at least trying to be responsible during an EXTREMELY wild time in our history. I could have been a complete man-whore and had sex with girls who were still crying about cheating on their boyfriends or I could've talked them into finishing what they started and I would've been covered under the "undeveloped prefrontal cortex clause, article 507.103".
Some people have no idea what it was like back then. Several years ago, I went to a barbecue with a bunch of friends from high-school whom I hadn't seen in 30 years. All of them were married. We were joking around and laughing about the fact that half of us slept with each other in high school.
Like, I said, I'm not excusing grown men, who sleep with teenage girls, but I'm also not excusing teen girls who quite literally throw their naked bodies on top of guys, who never even asked them for it. Now, just to be clear, I don't think it's wrong for teen girls to be as horny and sexually active as teen boys, but we are all responsible for our actions as teenagers.
I don’t think they’re trying to shift the blame yall I think they’re saying the version of events and time frames are different lori is known to tell different versions of stories abt her time in the 70s she said she lost her virginity to David bowie at 15 but also says she had to be available for sex while with Jimmy at 14
"Girls just wanna have fun" 🎶🎶🎶
@timmotel5804 Exactly! And there's nothing wrong with that. Some people just don't understand the lengths that some of these girls went through to hook up with Rockstars or even just regular guys like me.
I read an article once and some people wouldn't believe the amount of planning those girls did to get a night away from their parent, miles away from home in another city, all dolled up I'm make and clothes that they're parents wouldn't let them wear, going entrance to over 21 clubs and then getting themselves introduced to Rockstars. And this was all planned by girls who were unde
Young girls can be very clever. I remember one girl in junior high school, who wanted to spend the night with me. I said, "How? I'm on restriction. I can't leave the house." She said, I'll tell my mom that I'm staying at my friends house and I'll climb in your window at night." She was the first of many girls to do that. Later that night, after we had sex. I said, "What's if my mom comes into my room in the morning? Can you go sneak into your girlfriend's room and crash?" She said, "No, stupid. Just get me a pillow and a blanket, and I'll sleep in your closet when we get tired." We were both 13 years old. She was way ahead of me in terms of devious teenager strategy.
Those young teenage girls had more plans than an architect. Their schemes were more devious than the boys' and usually less dangerous. I didn't reach that level of teenage caper planning until at least two years later.
Didn't Lori just write she was deflowered by David Bowie?
Yes she did! And also in the documentary Let's Spend The Night Together she says she was first with David
Sanhita Samant yeah I meant that 🤓
The problem with Lori is her stories never have a date. If she mentions the year or something we'd know for sure. I know the day Jimmy dumped her because there are photos of that night with the date mentioned. At the Swan Song Label Launch party in 1974 she caught him cheating on her with Playboy model Bebe Buell. I just badly wanna know the day he 'kidnapped' her. Firstly I don't get why she says kidnap. In that documentary she's all like she loved it and still says the word kidnapped -_-
Julie Strauss and his wife angie bowie 3 sum on the vigin
Zoe Kouf Liv wouldnt be as popular and she wouldnt be an actress and model if her father was Jimmy though. She wouldnt even be Liv anyways, she would be a Page.
aah the good ole days.
As a gen-xer it really disgusts me that this is what the whole decade viewed as living the life and the rock and roll lifestyle. Punk was against that whole mindset along with the neo psychedelia/alternative bands of the late' 80's early 90's and shoegaze too. Women should be in bands too and not make it a "thing". The Go-Go's were basically a pop female version of this whole "Rock and roll debauchery" mindset.They though were female misogynists that that was somehow "taking their power back".
Generation x sucks.
1) I agree with you so much. It’s so gross.
2) Nina Hagen. Nice
@@affirmationaffirmations7456 Whatever your generation is, that's the one that sucks.
The man who abducted that groupie ,Lori was Richard Cole. He and Lori still contact. But Jimmy does not want to meet any of ex-groupies. Jimmy never loved them, just used girls on the road like many other rockers. Lori should learn that. She should not use his name for money and her (fake) fame.
He used her when she was a child. Why shouldn't she used his name it's hardly comparable to statutory rape the crime he committed.
I've seen another interview from Lori saying that she was a fan of Zeppelin and Jimmy told someone to find her for him cause he had seen her on a magazine.... Soooooo she's lying about something cause those are 2 completely different stories....
Thats pretty much what lori said, she just did not mention that she was already was a fan, and probobly perhaps didnt even know of jimmy page as being a member of that band. It was a vague description I agree. I make mad money and fuck bitches.
@Lloyd Bonafide you probably SHOULDN'T keep hounding someone just to get your answer
Starr Smith issa fake story don’t worry
Lloyd Bonafide imagine being sad enough to make that up ahahaha. We all know that’s the biggest lie and none of that really happened
Sounds fishy to me .....
Kaykatniss G
yea i think that was the point🤔🤔🤔😒😒🐟🐟🐠🐬
Kaykatniss G Smells*😂
"He was a beautiful person and he touched my life deeply"........ Then he left....
Presumably because she stopped being a teenager and was now too old for Jimmy Page.
Because he moved on to the next chick dont think he ever had any intention of staying with lori
She was his hook-up in L.A., I mean how often did she get to see him. Come on, back in the seventies everybody at my high school wanted to be a groupie. There was this mystique about these musicians(Jimmy Page)that made us not care that these men were so much older than us.
I know what I experienced witnessing culture in the late 1980's and throughout the 1990's. It was other level stuff. People can't and won't ever understand. It was unreal...and very much at the same time.
Stockholm syndrome much?
Exactly what I thought.
Exactly what I was thinking, too.
Girls always just pretend they don't like it as much as men and the ones who play coy hard at the beginning are the ones that want it the most. Not a very popular opinion in 2018 but let's face it is true. But Page was taking a huge risk because she was only 14 years old. He could have went to jail for a long time.
@@kevgh3869 fuck off. That's why people say there's a rape culture. You side with the predator wtf??
@@kevgh3869 Wrong!!! No means no!!!
lol but she acts as if she were kidnapped, when i've read about how she cried and was "desperate" for jimmy, going to look for him and she apparently tore the hair out from another chick jimmy was seeing
from what IVE READ.
Jimmy wasn't with her for several years. He only saw her when he was in LA on tour. I think he liked Lori more than the average groupie though. But Jimmy had soooo many groupies and he doesn't speak well of any of them now, even Lori.
Yup, and he doesn't care about any of them now. Plus he's with Scarlet Sabet.
@@sarahmatz4858has he ever spoke about those wild times???
He touched my life...deeply
lol....Right, we bet he did!
Great music...classless men.
It was the drugs sex and rock and roll culture back in the day.. So you can't blame them though
@@blearyblazon4355 Exactly!
@@blearyblazon4355 no no you can still blame them
@@therock-a-roller ok rock a roller
@@therock-a-roller rubbish they deserve all the blame in the world. You acting as if sleeping with underage women was not illegal back then. Page knew what he was doing was wrong that’s why he kept Lori Maddox locked in a room because he knew he would go to jail if the cops caught him.
The mighty powerful Led Zeppelin over the hills and far away and landed in LA
Richard Cole We never viewed those girls as 14yrs old, None of those girls were 14yrs old." Bullshit Richard, everybody who's read up on Zeppelin knows about Jimmy's obsession for Lori Maddox.The rock stars of today don't have that kind of power Jimmy had. If Jimmy wanted something, somebody, HE GOT IT/THEM...
Ah, to be young again, with no boundaries! Don't we all think back on what we might take back ? if we could?
Or Do Again...
I read about this in "Hammer of the Gods". Insanity! We truly were crazy in the 70s.
What a way to romanticize abuse
Plant saying " I don't recall that incedent " ya ...right! ...lol
It was a different time. Now that shit wouldn't fly at all, but back then, somewhat it did. Like every other rockstar did the same as well. Even then those girls came to the hotels in clothes that made 'em look way older than they actually were; they knew what they were doing...
So sad this girl so desperate to put up with being humiliated like that.
How do you know that is true? Have you spoken with her in person? Didn't think so
@@timmotel5804found the pedo
@@timmotel5804 there are pictures of them together lol you are stupid
Regarding the Edgewaer Hotel in Seattle mud shark incident: It was Led Zeppelin's tour manager Richard Cole (by his own account) and some redheaded slut groupie tied to a bed -- and it was a red snapper fish, not a mud shark. Not Jimmy, not Robert, but surprisingly it actually John Bonham in the room while it all took place; though everyone else's band claims to have been there to gain notoriety of some kind ... and I am not sure that Bonzo actually participated in the incident.
im a big page fan ... but you have to ask yourself ,,, would he allow his daughter to do the same ??? i think not ... shame on you jimmy !!!
Not many parents would answer yes to your question. It's meant to invoke irrationality in the person answering it or contemplating their answer.
@zephyra That's the curse of being a sexual scoundrel. One day it might be YOUR daughter getting bullied and coerced into doing something both of them know is wrong.
Absolutely not. His daughter Scarlet Page is a renowned rock photographer, a lovely lady, now is her middle 40’s. He’s a grandad too.
I hate Jimmy too
The song at 1:02 is "over the hills and far away".
@popwarskatemore7 Travelling Riverside Blues...awesome song, wasn't released until the box set came out back in 1990, along with a video on MTV, which was awesome as well! Cheers.
Let’s get real....these guys were incredible musical artists at the top of their game, but personally corrupted by fame which they will be held accountable for in this world or the next. Karma is always operating and no one “cheats it.”
Karma? By making millions of people happy and giving them so much enjoyment? Zeppelin have enriched my life so stop being silly.
@@lyndoncmp5751 they weren't saints
@@angelicaquirartewho is
ther nfl players and rappers of today are 1000 times worse. 70's rock stars were pretty tame compared to what goes on today
Amen! Idolatry 101 sinful, deadly in the end
Yes! They are! The music of that whole era has got to be some of the best ever - incredible the number of really good bands, musicians, the great inspiration of the times, and so many last-forever type songs. The gorgeous long hair guys - oh my. On a summer afternoon in some park, shirts off ... Oh yes, I'd go back for day! A week! A year! I wish! I think it takes a long time to really begin to know oneself, what you really like and want. I'd like to make some new choices and do some new things!
Oh my goodness! I can so relate! I remember going to the park in the summer, guy's throwing frisbees, with hair down their backs.. How I miss those beautiful bods.. 😍
@@beckylynn209I'm, well was, one of those guys and a drummer. I still play drums and guitar.
Peace, Great Memories and Best Regards. ☮
Ain't never seen anyone as gorgeous as Robert Plant since and never will....
@lynnetteb711
I heard from a few people who actually know Jimmy Page that he loved and respected only Charlotte Martin and that they are still good friends even today.Now they have a little granddaughter.Jimmy,Charlotte and Jimena and all the children of theirs are going very well.Jimmy often tells that way in some interviews.I trust what he says.
@euphemismsfordeath Lori told that story about a second fling with Jimmy in the 80's for a few years than stopped once people called her out on it. She also used to say that Jimmy married Patricia only because she was pregnant (their son was born two years after the marriage) and Bonham visited her in LA in 81 (he died in 1980). There are alot of holes in her stories. What makes you believe this one?
"Many have wondered what Page was doing keeping a teenaged lover in a Los Angeles hotel room."
Think. It'll come to you.
It was TAYLOR HAWKINS who ordered more than he could handle and pushed his limit by ordering fries with that Happy Meal... 🤣👍
After reading a Total of five books on Led Zeppelin, over half of them are rumors
Robert &JPJ were the tamest of the band. They only indulged in weed & alcohol. The only band member that came to the funeral for Roberts son that died was his Bff Bonzo. That hit Robert hard. He didn't know if he even wanted to stay with the band after that. I don't blame him. He said he thought they were his friends. Friends don't do BS like that
Rumours was Fleetwood Mac.
@@firehealer are you stupid or what? Rumors are not Rumours! The name of Fleetwood Mac's album is Rumours. Who brought up Fleetwood in the first place? 👎👎
@@brigetteguilliams3662 Interesting, to what degree was the band involved with underage groupies?Was it just Page? Was the underage groupie stuff really true or was it overblown? Was Led Zeppelin really engaged in so much debauchery or was it exaggerated? And how do you know most of the rumours, are just that, rumours?
Nobody would have any interest in the tales of excess if Zeppelin weren't the greatest rock band that ever stepped on a stage. In the long run all that will matter is the music.
THANK YOU!!!! Gospel truth!!!1
I agree, what was once past is past! Nothing more than that.
Don't tried to defend them
Well,, one of the Greatest. We were All pretty Naughty
Disgusting, these people should have been imprisoned for these activities.
thats fucked up.. and where was her parents?? wth??
Danielle Dumont In 1970s Los Angeles, it was a different universe than today. A 14 year old girl having sex with four men twice her age at the same time could actually convince herself and others that it was liberating. The police and many parents were like "we don't care about these teenage wastoids."
Lori's mother was allegedly an Talent Agent on the scene at the time and effectively threw her daughter upon famous, rich rock stars. Who were much older. She apparently didn't have a problem with her daughter sleeping with or hanging around rocks stars. Lori said in an Interview that Jimmy asked her mothers permission to see her and her mother fully agreed. So her mum was fully aware of what Lori was up to. Figures?
Yeah, Jimmy didn't treat the groupies well at all. They way he tossed Lori and pamela aside when he was done with them was really heartless. I also think Cole loved Lori, not Jimmy. It's pretty obvious reading his book. Explains alot too.
I get the impression that Cole was probably a lot more of a creep than anyone knows. Everything about him was dodgy, definitely some skeletons in his closet.
we were performing 7 or 8 Led Zepp's songs during seventies in KiM, Serbian province, band's name Telstar .great band !
Kidnapped, teenage girlfriend, every minute was "worth it", he touched my life deeply...
Oh shit
0_0 whoa just another thing that makes the 70's so esoteric, and mystical. This could never happen today to a very successful band. Robert is always so witty, and colorful words that slippery bastard xD And Pagie the pimp heheh. Is Bonzo Italian LOL he never gets caught with anything. I guess Jonesy is an MI6 agent with a 00 rating seeing as how he is never mentioned, remembered, or has a solid alibi. I think I'll get a teenage girl now.
I like the word "titillating" cool.
Jimmy had a lori in every town. Most groupies don't come forward with their stories.
So what a night! True 60's experience and ecstacy. The moon landing that very night, a Zep gig, up close and personal with them in the dressing room before the show (what a bunch too!), and that night a huge storm raged thunder, lightning, and unholy wind. Blew this tent till I thought it was coming down. And my GF wishing she could be one of Zep's women! I don't know if she really heard the concert. It was a totally awesome night!
They played Cleveland the night of the moon landing. July 20, 1969. Even Plant remembers it.
I remember this story about Lori and Jimmy. They were in the magazine's a lot back in the day, I know they dated a few yrs than he dumped her for Bebe Buel and it broke her heart. I still have some of the old magazine's that have pics of Lori and Jimmy together out drinking. At 14 how did she get into bars and drink?..plus where was her parental supervision?..What kind of family did Lori come from to be allowed to date a 25 yr old man when she was just 14??..David bowie took her virginity when she was 13..I remember being envious of Lori back in the day and I so wanted to be a groupie too but it's not me to sleep around whether your rich and famous or not..I lived vicariously through Lori and Pam even though my crush was foe Robert Plant and not Jimmy...those were the days..70's rocked!!..lol..
@smooro Agreed. Lori Maddox might have been only 14, but what was she doing being a groupie and hanging out on Sunset Strip at that age? Where were her parents? Plus, these girls were dressing and acting far older than their age. I don't think the rock stars always knew just how young these girls really were.
This is FABulous!!! I know Carmine Appice (my Late Husband worked with John Lennon and grew up with Vinny Martell and Carmine, and they were much older than myself), and Carmine told me that Decadence was their gift [Vanilla Fudge]. If I hadn't Married my Late Husband, I wouldn't have met all these people, and have Paulie 'Ace Frehley write, and Record a Song about me, just on sight, and gave me the Rights to it.
I am too young to have been a part of that Scene, but it was Decadence. "Keep the Boys happy, and that's all that matters", was the Credo. Mud Sharks, piles of shaving cream to slide down naked at the Hyatt [Riot] House and much more was part of it all. But we got the Greatest Music Ever. Thank You!!!
dream on
Yup! Best Regards to You 🎶☮💖
It's weird how on the one hand there are shows like To Catch a Predator, where they purposely trap some guy who's after underage sex, humiliate the person on TV, arrest him, sometimes send him to jail, and basically screw the person's life over for sex that was never even had. On the other hand, you've got people like Jimmy Page who was having sex with a child, and the rest of his band and people around him just let it happen, meanwhile he's praised as a great rock star.
Well he IS a Great Rock Star. Bur society is itself, very demented, deluded and also, really screwed up from religions. What ever makes mone$$$$, is what they'll do. It's ALL About Money... Even Religions. The "DOLLAR IS GOD", so to speak
@@timmotel5804I'm not talking about money. I was talking about the hypocricy of letting someone like him have sex with underaged girls, while others are prosecuted and have their lives ruined.
Money buys criminal behaviour.
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Maiden Laura It is pointless to reply to four year old comment and bragging about your languages is irrelevant
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It's the 'if I only knew then what I know now' mentality I think alot of women experience as they get older. The self empowerment and confidence that goes with it. Maybe I wouldn't take things back, just do them a bit differently. But what a great time to be young, huh? The music, the partying, the gorgeous long haired men. Plant and Page are still HOT
@LenaLosAngeles1983 Lol, I love Almost Famous, it's kind of like a tribute to Led Zeppelin, since there's like tons of their songs in the movie.
Shark thing happened on 7/27/1969. I was not only at Zep's gig in Cleveland, under this huge tent just a few nights before, 7/20/69 (the night of the first moon landing!), but was in the *tiny* dressing room before the show. My fellow guitar player friend's dad was a reporter for the Cle Plain Dealer, was doing an interview, and got us in. There was no room, jammed up on eachother, I was squeezed between Bonham and Page. My GF at the time was totally loving this! I believe she peed her panties.
When you see the footage of Zeppelin backstage at Albert Hall (with Jeff Beck, too!) in 1970 it looks cramped. I can't imagine it in smaller venues. Jesus.
Poor shark. Psychopaths.
I don't blame Lori one bit. Her parents could have come after Jimmy if they'ed wanted to, but her mom gave them her full blessing. So go figure.
If anyone's ever read hammer of the gods you know the real shark story. It was Richard Cole and Bonzo and it wasnt a shark it was a red snapper. They were shark fishing out of a hotel in San Francisco and the girl ironically was a ginger #redsnapper and loved it according to Cole
Not Frisco.. Seattle! The Edgewater Hotel
@@jeanniecyphert2942 you're right my bad. It's been awhile
Way down inside im gona give you my love....
Little schoolgirl.
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@SexyRaww Thank you for your response.I respect your personal opinion.But this is the FACT that Jimmy has nothing to do with ex-groupies at all today.He might not even remember their names.On the other hand,he is still very friendly with Charlotte and Jimena.I think 'true love affair' should be admitted by both sides,but groupies' claims are always one-side.AND if your focus is at music you had better to post your opinion on the other page, not here.
Every inch of his love! I never paid attention to lyrics till my husband told me what they meant. I was so naive! Oh. Been married 37 years!
Robert said Pamela's book was part of the LZ "mythos". Maybe that was his nice way of admitting it wasn't 100% accurate. Robert slept with his share of 13 year old girls too but he never gets called out on it, which isn't really fair. And Robert always seemed to be much nicer to the girls even now than Jimmy ever was. Read the lyrics to Sick Again and you can see.
Page was a controlling, narcissistic predator. I am so sorry I saw this.
You can read the complete Shark Story in the Book " Hammer of Gods" from Stephen Davis :) and other Stories too :)
JImena is much different form Lori Maddoxn in fact!To begin with,Jimmy never fell in love with Maddox.She was just easy for every musicians who visited LA in those days.Can you seriously believe Jimmy Page loved groupies???He just used them on the road.