Lloyd I really admire your calm demeanor and how you ask thought provoking questions. The other week I was at my local college campus and JWs were there doing cart witnessing. I approached them and said I found it ironic for them to be out spreading their message on a college campus when they specifically deter their members from even going to college. Even mentioned the video of Mark Sanderson advocating for turning down a college scholarship. Their response was “no we don’t, it’s a personal decision”. At that point I just walked away as my blood started to boil. Kudos to you.
The jws are on college campuses to attract the people there, not to attend classes (the meaning of “going to college”)…so their being on any campus is NOT ironic. For context, I’m an exjw, so I agree with your position, but just trying to be logical in my criticism 😆…
Lloyd must have a lot of self restraint so as not to call them out for their lack of logic. Everything each one of them said was a load of bull, and dishonesty. Hats off to Mr Evans
I greatly appreciate your fact checks to show how inconsistent these JW's are in their understanding of their own theology. It's quite disturbing to see how truly confused these people really are without even realizing it!
It’s something witnesses “value” I guess. The ability to sew in the right words but most of the time they really don’t give an answer. More of a charismatic promise if that makes sense.
Let say you are enthusiastic about physics, and someone ask you why the theory of relativity is correct or "true". You would be thrilled to explain, in layman terms, all the evidence and obeservations that support the theory. In the case of JW, they almost feel uncomfortable with the question, and tell you to do your own research to quickly move on to another subject. That´s very telling.
As said below, you do a great job holding these dialogues! My deepest respect for that! To give you a laugh, I must confess that when I try, the staff at the stand do think I am a brother from a foreign country, and they ask me questions of how preaching is going where I live: or like last time, they asked me about the legal processes in Norway! I have to be very much the guy who has done his home work before I approach a stand ; ) Please keep up your good work!
As an add on - this time I read up on the latest Norwegian legalities beforehand. It was a windy, cold day, and I was in a different town trying to take a photo of a Statue. The wind shook my phone so I had to check the photos again and again and during that I saw the Cart. Very nice people, kind and listening, not at all confrontational. The got nearly deep frozen speaking to me.
I'm still annoyed that a group of Jehovah's witnesses broke their promise to come back for another talk and to deliver some literature to my home. I thought they would have been over the moon that someone was actually interested, but no. Maybe I'm just too weird for their liking!!
Disneyland was Micheal Jackson's playground. Would've been interesting to hear a conversation between you and him. Talented man that never had a normal life. Rip
Hi Lloyd , I think this my favourite video. I like your calm demeanour and the ability to ask relevant questions at jws. I personally could not hold it together and would get a bit confronting to them .
If they have "minders" that means that certain people are being told who the prominent apostates are and what they look like. They have to choose someone that's willing to deal with them when they show up but someone that won't get curious to see what they are ultimately saying. Knife's edge.
Ive experienced this "minder" scenario with witnesses. I started gently enquiring about the religion with a couple on the cart. With the idea of engaing them enough I could ask some more probing questions. After 5 min this guy appeared and basically took over the conversation from the original two. They gradually stepped aside. This "minder" chap just basically told me to click on Jw.Borg to get any answers so I lost interest. A couple of months later same location I was speaking to a different couple and the same " minder" appeared within 2 minutes and just looked at me as if to say I know what your up to mate clear off.
i think the thing I love most about this is that witnesses almost always without fail use rehearsed, regurgitated information the governing body has told them; when faced with simple logic, you can literally hear the gears in their brain spinning trying to desperately twist something they've been taught into something that could apply to the question you've asked. 9\10 times, their argument falls apart and they start giving you half answers with no defined yes or no answers.
My boyfriend was raised JW and I asked him what all his meetings during the week were like, he said there was a dedicated meeting where they would just sit and role play with a rehearsed script on what to say to people. I thought that was creepy that they literally dedicate time to memorize scripts like sleazy salesmen or robots
As a 'worldly' convert, both my husband and I to then becoming a full blown auxillary pioneer , even with two school aged children (now ex JW) It never ceases to amaze me how the indoctrination process is crafted. I'm disgusted at the blatant and giant lie by that gentleman JW about NOT shunning baptised people who leave of their own volition. In which alternate reality I ask? Further, the Titus 1:2, "God CANNOT lie" scripture was always exquisite to me personally. I recall trying to proselytise my own sibling, saying "This is the true religion ", by proclaiming "I imitate God and if he cannot lie I certainly won't! " This was promoted in my bible studies but clearly not applicable value endorsed by this representative of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah in this witnessing scenario. Great work Lloyd and it's great to be aware that JW org. Is not the true religion. I actually pity the many friends I made during those 4 plus years.
The camera man wasn’t doing a very good job lol he can’t hold the camera still lol but great video you have the patience of Job Lloyd ❤ keep these kind of videos coming awesome job talking to these people and staying so calm….
Hi,...my brother is an elder in Australia and recently his congregation had the circuit overseers visit....and as usual the CO has a meeting with the body of elders after the meeting ...so all the elders wives went home and the elders had their meeting with the CO.....which finished about 10pm....then the CO...asked where the nearest pub was....so the elders and CO went to the local hotel for drink. I don't know but wouldn't such a practice be frowned upon? My elder brother thought it was great. He tried to impress on me that the organization was more liberal and permissive these days.....go figure!
I’m having trouble finding the w 19 October article, does anyone have a link to it?? Thanks in advance!! I really need it to show my very pimi sister who keeps arguing the opposite…
Interesting comment by the lady in Zagreb about not starting a study at the beginning of the Bible and working through. She was spot on that most would be bored however I wonder if the WT realise that doing that would get so many immediate questions about how the Earth formed, abiogenesis, evolution, age of the planet etc that that is why they would never do this. And before that the lady is saying there are lots of people who say they follow the Bible but there are lots of interpretations…so.. (1] sounds like their Bible Study is a “no true Scotsman” then. (2) if there are so many religions that follow the Bible because of different interpretations then surely it’s not a book written by or inspired by any god and/or is infallible as any god that they think exists would have been able to made the book crystal clear to all and not leave things open to interpretation.
This question bothered me a lot when I was a JW. I wondered often about two things 1. How did an all powerful all knowing god leave us with such a book that literally can be interpreted whichever way anyone wants? Wouldn't he have made sure that there was no doubt and his word as clear as day? Humans write better wills to take care of their affairs and family when they die-it just didn't compute. 2. Why is god going to kill non JWs, seemed to me like there would be a ton of people who would never have heard the "good news" why will they be killed? The children too? Babies? What did they do to deserve god's wrath? These among many other JWs tormented me. I thought Jehovah himself was going to chop me into pieces every time my mind would question the reality I was being taught.😂
People had more dignity in the 40’s. People would get dressed up to shop in department stores, you never heard cursing or the criminals we have now and homeless all over
Rock N, So, nobody used profane language in the '40s, and criminals didn't exist? Is it really nice to insult homeless people by viewing them as an "inconvenience to society"? What have homeless people done to harm you? I think as a society we should be helping homeless persons, not further adding to the misery that they're already experiencing. Also in the 1940s, I doubt people living in Nazi occupied Europe found that time period so great.
@@robertfreeman6082 anytime has bad things about it. People still have slaves and people are starving around the world. I’m talking about how people had more dignity back then
@@robertfreeman6082 We are living in cheap chintzy times. Just like 1929... Only this time around there's no community. At least back then most people had chickens in the backyard and could take a gun to the fields and woods, a fishpole to the lakes and creeks. Grandma and Grandpa didn't even know the depression was on, they knew well how to live off the land and got along well with their neighbors, everyone helped everyone else out. Today it's different... it's a dog-eat-dog world..... Hell is coming to America and right soon.
I don't know, but I was told by a jw that this war in Russia and Ukraine and America is prophecied in the Bible. This will also be the Last Final war, before Jesus's Kingdom arrives on earth ( from heaven), which is why it will be the most terrorfying war in the world's history of wars.
The most telling thing in regards to their responses is that all their answers are based on belief and feeling. No evidence required for them. I found it to be humorous and genuinely sad at the same time. My parents are in their twilight years and still believe and have shunned me for 33 years. Even if they still never associated with me again, I would want them to wake up and stop living a lie.
OK I have a question for the Croatian JW, I also had a jw who was Croatian, but after attending a few meetings with her, things went " sour" she attempt to be bossy, conrtrolling me along, at the meetings every week when I was sick, I had pneumonia, she argued with me saying, that if I don't attend, I will always be ill, for the rest of my life. When she came to my front door, she started to argue with my mum, then abused my mum. I then told her, she was banned from my house, she refused to listen. I told her ( as she returned from Egypt) she had a stomach infection, at the same time I had pneumonia in 2016) I also advised her not to come to my house,myself with pneumonia and her stomach illness. She took offence, then it led to a few months of the jws lady Stojanka Totavic to abuse me and my mum. I nearly called the police. These Witnesses do nothing but want to boss and control you. It seemed like a " nice religion at first," but I was fooled. I don't assume every jw will please Jehovah God or enter " paradise " with their behaviour
I know why they don’t encourage university level education . I did not hear a single one who would have earned a ‘ pass , let alone a credit . Oh dear ! This was painful and embarrassing 😳
I had a nice talk full of BS at carts. I said 1 Cor. 13:4-5, love does not keep account of injury. So you guys do not keep any lists of people that have wronged you, like your former members. They denied having such information. They said that it would be a violation against GDPR. They have learned their lesson well. I said that it makes sense, like if I would be mad at some article in newspaper in the 1990's, there would be no reason why I would not read the same newspaper again. Editorial policies change, so do people. I said that I have visited many churches like the Orthodox Church. I said that it was nice to go there, even nicer to get out. It is nice to have a religion where you can exit freely. They said, yes, a person can just leave the JWs just as easily.
All the great, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, JWs, Born Agains, Catholics, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Methodists, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, fanatics of all Religions in the world KNOW that they - 1. don't respect and obey the Sovereignty and commandments of the Creator 2. don't submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth and rejected too his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence. Loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth KNOW that they rejected the superiority, power, and greatness of Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence and instead - 1. love, honor, and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father 2. submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". Jesus Christ KNOWS that loving kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will be favored, honored and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with Eternal Life and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and hateful persons, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions. The Creator KNOWS that in his own right time, he will let his Christ resurrect back to life all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's followers, and many others so that all loving, kind, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "Kingdom of God" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth, his Christ.
Thank you. Your 1940's start (later sprinkled) is answered by something like 'all these things must come to pass' (that includes those that have past). You big, mid-way questions (which get their size having made no distinction betweenThe Word and its' corruption/s) are all answered by faith (see how sweet everyone you talked to was.. Every poor one completely corrupted [ultimately by elitism]). As for your Evolution Nugget (EN), it shines (stink-free ☺) if we just recall that a day to G-d is as 1000 years.
And by the time 1st John 2:18 was written they believed that they were living in the last hour. So if a day is a thousand years how much is an hour? A little under 50 years. And at what point in that hour did they think that they were living? Quarter past? Half past? 45 minutes past? Two minutes to midnight? The entire New Testament from Matthew through Revelation conveys the message that THEY were living in the last days and that the end was near. "The end of all things is near" 1st Peter 4:7 All of the New Testament including the gospels was written decades after Jesus supposedly lived, died and was resurrected. In Matthew 24 : 33 and 34 Jesus told his disciples that they would know his return was near and that he was right at the door when they saw all the things he predicted take place. Decades after he supposedly said that, James 5:8 and 9 stated that the return of the Lord is near, he is right at the door. Even Revelation opens up with the statement that it is a revelation of things which must SOON take place. That the time was near and Jesus was coming quickly. John had a vision of his near future when a beast would rise out of the abyss. He explained that the beast "once was, now is not, yet is about to rise up out of the abyss." That means that at sometime prior to John writing Revelation the beast had been on the scene (once was). At the time John wrote Revelation the beast was in the abyss (now is not). But John expected the beast to rise out of the abyss shortly thereafter.
@@extraterrestrial4287 Hey there - your name perfect here ☺ Still, 'as' isn't 'is'. And those beastly tenses you mention fit snug into there being 'time no longer', as given in the same book. Also, with any immanence of end times perhaps best characterized by 'This generation will not pass until all these things be fulfilled' and that verse particularly agreeing with all your 'soon' points, it also holds them all to: - - faiths' evident continuance after a generation despite those verses, - two worlds (one spiritual), - the word sleep interchangable with that of death. Then there's the spirit of Elijah ascribed to the Baptist, or Enoch being spared death itself. All of this in a timelessness we might feel we sense and yet just maybe, don't.
I also do BELIEVE THE WITNESSES DO SAY BAD / ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR, TO MAKE US " HATE THEM" AS TO STATE THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY " RELIGION " THAT WILL SURVIVE ARMEGGION.
Right, so what I saw from all these interviews is that: it’s the truth because we think/believe it, so there! That sounds very much like the “logic” of women and children 😂!
You really can't blame these JWs for not having the most convincing of arguments. It's really not their fault, their taught to believe in such faulty uses of logic and some poor reasoning. When you ask them difficult or uncomfortable questions, the cognitive dissonance that many of them must feel probably really starts to kick in.
Let me see if i can help throw some light on this......though im sure there will be no point as people believe what they want to believe. The majority of the World does not want to believe in a God? Simply because it would mean them being held accountable for their lives, changing their ways and life. They are happy with their lot and accept the world for what it is, and struggle through life suffering the mess it is and end with death with no hope for a future. Funny thing is the biggest controversial question that has stood the test of time is whether there is a god or not.....where did that come from, when fashions and fads and icons come and go. Why is this point still on going? It is a fact that belief in God is getting less and less with each decade and will temporarily end with destruction of all false religion. One of the Witnesses in the video tried to answer why believing in god and just being a good person is not enough to survive the end of this system.....answer is "“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-JOHN 17:3." and James 2 14-17 "Faith without works is dead" One must study the bible to best of his own ability and apply it in their life to the point of baptism, and continue to live by it, in essence becoming one of jesus disciples where he told them to "go therefore and make disciples of all the peoples of all the nations. Matthew 24 14 "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the habited Earth, for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come"......... You asked for proof. everyone likes proof, proof is in the details.......look online at those that walk through the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah, the walls remain but are nothing but ash, in fact you can see heat swirl patterns in all the walls. Sulphur balls embedded. The Grand canyon is the single most obvious proof the flood happened and evolution couldn't of happened. See the layers of mud and different composites in different colours? If that all formed over millions of years, then why isnt there a graduation in those colours? Why are the canyon walls all jagged and not smoothed by water over millions of years? Why are there still fossilized bird prints in the rocks? Ever see a bird leave footprints in wet mud and they remain there for days and past the days it rains? All that was done in seconds with shifting mud flats slamming down layer on layer encasing all the different creatures, including woolly mammoth found with fresh veg still in its mouth....die of old age did it? Mentioned in the Bible is King Hezekiah, a fictional person? Look online and see his seal with his name still on it, better still look at the ancient city of Babylon which the Bible said it would never be rebuilt and that wild beasts would inhabit it.....there are houses and peoples dwellings all around the city on the edge of its walls foundations clearly seen and nothing but animals live there....the remains of the city still show the name of King Nebuchadnezzar in the bricks, and the names of those above his name where they had tried to rebuild it. If you throw a bag of marbles in the air, would they fall into an organised pattern to such accuracy that can sustain life and set your watch too? Granted this isnt the world that Jehovah god created, it has become contaminated and twisted and is living proof that 1 john 5:19 "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" He wants to hide the truth from you.....he would rather you believe in evolution or that there is an afterlife. Jehovahs witnesses are not there trying to convert you in that like manner, they are there being obedient trying to help people understand for themselves.....that is why we have been designed with the gift of free will, the right to choose for ourselves. Adam made the wrong choice and so we all suffer sin now as the world was handed to Satan so that God could prove why man cant rule himself. The result? He has given us the Bible to explain why we are here, why the world is in the mess it is, how we can best deal with it, and what he intends to do about it in the near future. You all have the right to choose for yourselves...though I am reminded of Matthew 7:13 “Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it , whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it"
Existing on planet earth are liars, deceivers, slanderers, and hypocrites, arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless human beings. Also existing are loving, kind, and respectful persons. All are free to have their own opinions, claims, and beliefs All are free to honor and obey the Creator as the Most High and Sovereign God or insult and degrade him as worthless and useless All are free to believe the teachings of the Christ OR reject them as worthless and useless Arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, fanatics of all Religions and Cults, Atheists, and Agnostics are the liars, slanderers, hypocrites, and deceitful human beings on earth who are boasting and claiming that - 1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God 2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth 3. the teachings of the Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless, without any value at all Loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth are not arrogant, cruel, and hateful Atheists, Agnostics, or fanatics of any Christian and non-Christian Religion but ordinary, lowly, and submissive human beings who - 1. love, honor, and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father 2. submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth 3. believe the teachings of the Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". THE WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the LIVES and EXISTENCE of the CREATOR and HIS CHRIST TO LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH - The Creator is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father who will honor and reward with Eternal Life and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to the authority of his Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". Jesus Christ is not worthless and useless too but a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King who in the Creator's own right time will resurrect back to life all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, his followers, and many others so that all loving, kind, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator himself and his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth, his Christ.
If you choose to comment back please read Eziekel 34 and please explain that chapter to me. Matthew 7:21-23 please tell me what that says about ones doing all these works they claim if not done will die at Armageddon. Thanks just need answers if you have them please share them to these questions. Thanks. Have a great day!
The bible is the greatest STORY ever told.Religion has killed more people than it ever saved.Jehovah is the God of war ,chaos . Created by man to control the masses including the pagan ones.
Craig Lee, Who says that nobody should be accountable for their actions or that people shouldn't believe in God? Most people on Earth are religious. Atheists and agnostics are not the majority. Some people do change aspects of their lives all the time, but as long as they're not harming anyone, people can do pretty much what they prefer. As for the scientific questions, you ask, they're all good questions, but I'm not a scientist, and those are the people you should be asking about those questions. I'm not willing to just accept one religious group's or any religious group's explanations over scientific mysteries that they probably don't want to understand because it might conflict with cherished doctrine. I feel that's dishonest. I don't see how the Grand Canyon was caused by a global flood, especially when there isn't enough water to flood the entire earth. Why does one have to choose between accepting evolution or believing in life after death? Plenty of religious people accept evolution and believe in an afterlife. I don't know that Hezekiah was a fictional person. I think a lot of Biblical patriarchs were probably fictitious. As for saying God is a "fad", if belief in the divine is a "fad", then why have people believed in deities for millennia? It's an inherent thing to believe in sources greater than us, though I don't necessarily believe that belief in God is inherent in everyone. Wer'e also pattern seekers. We're living in a time where it's more okay to question belief in God whereas in other times it may not have been. We're living in a time where we can even question Jehovah's Witness doctrine; if the JW denomination were the dominant religion in society and had existed at some other time, history might have a different story to tell. Would the JWs have been willing to hand people over to secular governments to execute people for heresy and apostasy because it presented a challenge to the Organization's orthodoxy? Would they have behaved any differently than their Catholic or Protestant peers in that regard? I'd personally like to think so and that Witnesses wouldn't be that cruel or harsh, but I don't trust the Watchtower Society enough as an institution when it comes to the amount of power and influence that they have. I don't wish to live in a Jehovah's Witness theocracy than I would to exist in any kind other religious theocracy; I'm an atheist, and I don't want to live in a country that would promote State atheism either. I wouldn't Witnesses themselves living in a JW theocracy, I'd worry about their safety and livelihoods, especially the already least advantaged ones. I'd worry about ex-Witnesses and lifelong non-JWs would be treated in Witness dominated society. Why is it fair for Yahweh to punish the whole world because of what Adam did? I don't believe Adam existed but still. Religious Jews, the LDS Church and Muslims reject the idea of original sin because they believe that humans are to be held accountable by God for their own actions, not the actions of their ancestors. I don't think it would be right to punish the entire human race because of two people's actions. Sure, the world has problems, but I don't see how that proves the existence of Satan. All it says to me is that life can be hard, and that the world can be a pain the ass at times. Why would I want to worship a deity who says, "I'm going to make a point to humanity by giving the world over to my worst enemy to prove that I am the only one that should rule over everyone"? It makes God sound so haughty, and I don't like it when mortal human beings act that way, much less a deity. You mean, you're going to allow your enemy to torment people and do nothing to help suffering people, many of whom largely may not have done anything that seriously wrong in their lives? I don't think I'd want to worship a deity like that. What did a starving child in Africa possibly do so wrong in their lives, that an allegedly loving deity wouldn't step in and make sure that they have plenty of food to eat? Because they were born "sinful", so therefore, they deserve to starve to death because they had the audacity to not be born "perfect" and "sinless" like God originally wanted? That seems harsh. I would say that God is accountable for allowing that suffering to continue under Satan's hand if either entity existed and if Satan had dominion over this world. The Bible is the attempts of ancient Jews and Christians to make sense of the world they were living in, and why should I accept the Watchtower Society's interpretation of that book without question. When one is baptized as a JW, the questioning of doctrine is supposed to stop. Why? Why is wrong to continuing questioning your beliefs? Why is it okay that you can get punished for doing so by facing forcible excommunication from and being shunned by their religious community. Jehovah's Witnesses often say they help people come to their own conclusions, but if you come to a conclusion that isn't in line with already established doctrine, you are removed from your religious community and are essentially told that you've lost your eternal salvation -- that you're now "anti-God, wicked, mentally diseased and are now part of the Anti-Christ". The JWs often say, the road that leads to eternal life is narrow, but so do other fundamentalist Christians. I have no reason to believe that we will be granted eternal life What if there is a god and that deity doesn't want people to live forever? The early Israelites didn't believe in life after death at one point. They thought at one time that this was only life God gave you, and you would be punished in the here and now passed how one chose to live their life. I don't believe in God, and I have no reason to, but I can understand the early Israelites concern for appreciation in this life, and even modern Judaism, despite believing in a "world to come", largely focuses on this trying to make life in this world better and then worrying about the afterlife when one's time in this life is up. When you say that Jehovah's Witnesses claim no one but them has hope for the future. You do know that most people believe in life after death, right? Just because they don't believe in the JW version of the afterlife doesn't mean they don't have hope that they'll achieve immortality. I wouldn't put much accuracy in the time of a watch if I were you. A broken watch sometimes cannot be repaired. Technology is flawed and can sometimes fail us, sometimes in horrific ways. Did we learn nothing from the RMS TITANIC disaster? To say conditions on earth "are perfect for human life", and yet, we are still prey to natural disasters and viral disease that can damage our bodies and evil kill us. We have to deal with predatory animals that have an innate desire to eat meat, and some of them can consume human meat, though for some animals, we're not good for their digestive systems. Life is messy, but that's how it's always been, and the universe doesn't care about what we believe or what we want. I don't have any desire to rejoin the JW denomination. I'd want what to be part of an institution that doesn't allow for the questioning of dogma or that will punish you for reaching a different conclusion they what the Organization has. I don't wish to be a part of a Church that endorses its members having homophobic or transphobic attitudes and that discriminates against them in terms of their denominational membership standards. I don't wish to break up same-sex families or couple's relationships. I don't wish to tell trans people that their gender identity is "contrary to nature", that their choice to undergo a sex change operation is a form of "mutilation" or encouraging them to break up with their spouse who was born as the same physical sex as them or requiring them to live as the physical sex they were born as. I don't want to promote the practice of shunning "because the Bible says so". I'm not willing to just insert and substitute a religious answer in regard to scientific, historical, philosophical or moral questions that might be difficult to answer or might not have answer. I'm not willing to be part of a Church that encourages people to die instead of taking a blood transfusion that might help them. I don't want to rejoin a Church that wishes people to martyr themselves for it if they live in under an oppressive governmental regime, though I'd never wish harm on any JW who lives in such a country, and I am sympathetic to their plight. I'm not willing to be part of a Church that doesn't allow me the option of accepting scientific concepts like evolution because it conflicts with established Church doctrine. I don't want to be part of a Church that doesn't encourage its clergy to immediately report known or suspected cases of child sexual abuse to the authorities. I don't wish to be part of a Church that accuses raped female members of "having consented to sexual acts" if those women didn't call out for help. I don't wish to be part of a Church that discourages higher education because it conflicts with cherished doctrine. I don't wish to be part of a Church that emphasis belief as being more important than being a good person. I care about actions more than beliefs. I will say that I don't like it when people use their beliefs to demean or hurt others. I don't want to be part of a Church that brags about helping the needy in their own religious community while shaming others for believing that Jesus would want them to help everyone in need because they believe that "everyone is Christ's brothers." I don't wish to belong to a religious community that says I can't engage in and will be punished for engaging in actions to try and help improve social or political conditions because "we should leave it all up to God". I don't wish to be a Jehovah's Witness again. I don't belong in that community and there is no place for me there.
No answer?🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗…. Nothing but crickets? No light shed on these questions?🌅🌄🌅🌄🌅🌄🌅 well that’s a damn shame. Thanks for repeating what we all already know and have heard for years.
Lloyd I really admire your calm demeanor and how you ask thought provoking questions. The other week I was at my local college campus and JWs were there doing cart witnessing. I approached them and said I found it ironic for them to be out spreading their message on a college campus when they specifically deter their members from even going to college. Even mentioned the video of Mark Sanderson advocating for turning down a college scholarship. Their response was “no we don’t, it’s a personal decision”. At that point I just walked away as my blood started to boil. Kudos to you.
It’s always a “personal decision” but their definition of personal decision is:you can choose but if you choose the other you aren’t a good witness.
Or it means...Better Choose What WT Expects or else expect a Private Lambasting!😣
The jws are on college campuses to attract the people there, not to attend classes (the meaning of “going to college”)…so their being on any campus is NOT ironic.
For context, I’m an exjw, so I agree with your position, but just trying to be logical in my criticism 😆…
Talking with Jehovah’s Witnesses literally feels like trying to have a discussion with well trained parrots. It is mind numbing!
Such bullshit artists!!
Lloyd must have a lot of self restraint so as not to call them out for their lack of logic. Everything each one of them said was a load of bull, and dishonesty. Hats off to Mr Evans
I greatly appreciate your fact checks to show how inconsistent these JW's are in their understanding of their own theology. It's quite disturbing to see how truly confused these people really are without even realizing it!
The word “understanding” should NOT be used in connection with anything to do with jws 😂!
@@greyberet1 i really like that one guy that starts with “the conclusion that I came up with…” LMAOOOO
Well done for finding Jw’s to talk to. They are rarely seen in the uk and haven’t called on my house in years.
Lucky You!😉😂😂😊
Seen some out on the carts near me and always say hello and ask the odd respectful question just to see how well they stay on script.
Some argue better than others, but most can’t really answer the questions you have!
It’s something witnesses “value” I guess. The ability to sew in the right words but most of the time they really don’t give an answer. More of a charismatic promise if that makes sense.
Let say you are enthusiastic about physics, and someone ask you why the theory of relativity is correct or "true". You would be thrilled to explain, in layman terms, all the evidence and obeservations that support the theory. In the case of JW, they almost feel uncomfortable with the question, and tell you to do your own research to quickly move on to another subject. That´s very telling.
First interview: 1940 was NOT pre-WWI, not on this planet 😂!
Lloyd will have to start wearing disguises to be able to continue to do this soon! Maybe he is getting famous!? Great ‘reasoning’ Lloyd!
As said below, you do a great job holding these dialogues! My deepest respect for that!
To give you a laugh, I must confess that when I try, the staff at the stand do think I am a brother from a foreign country, and they ask me questions of how preaching is going where I live: or like last time, they asked me about the legal processes in Norway!
I have to be very much the guy who has done his home work before I approach a stand ; )
Please keep up your good work!
As an add on - this time I read up on the latest Norwegian legalities beforehand.
It was a windy, cold day, and I was in a different town trying to take a photo of a Statue. The wind shook my phone so I had to check the photos again and again and during that I saw the Cart.
Very nice people, kind and listening, not at all confrontational.
The got nearly deep frozen speaking to me.
How do you do it?
I'm still annoyed that a group of Jehovah's witnesses broke their promise to come back for another talk and to deliver some literature to my home. I thought they would have been over the moon that someone was actually interested, but no. Maybe I'm just too weird for their liking!!
That would have been fun!
Jehovah directed them not to come back. 😂 Jehovah has his eye on you.
Disneyland was Micheal Jackson's playground. Would've been interesting to hear a conversation between you and him. Talented man that never had a normal life. Rip
That's apropos of nothing.
Hi Lloyd , I think this my favourite video. I like your calm demeanour and the ability to ask relevant questions at jws. I personally could not hold it together and would get a bit confronting to them .
If they have "minders" that means that certain people are being told who the prominent apostates are and what they look like. They have to choose someone that's willing to deal with them when they show up but someone that won't get curious to see what they are ultimately saying. Knife's edge.
Ive experienced this "minder" scenario with witnesses. I started gently enquiring about the religion with a couple on the cart. With the idea of engaing them enough I could ask some more probing questions. After 5 min this guy appeared and basically took over the conversation from the original two. They gradually stepped aside. This "minder" chap just basically told me to click on Jw.Borg to get any answers so I lost interest.
A couple of months later same location I was speaking to a different couple and the same " minder" appeared within 2 minutes and just looked at me as if to say I know what your up to mate clear off.
Nice job Lloyd. You were polite but made some good points. I hope it changes some of the active JW confused minds.
You do so well at having, polite, calm discussions with Witnesses who are cart witnessing, Lloyd.
Good video. I started seeing the JW's again standing on street corners with a mobile magazine/bible display.
i think the thing I love most about this is that witnesses almost always without fail use rehearsed, regurgitated information the governing body has told them; when faced with simple logic, you can literally hear the gears in their brain spinning trying to desperately twist something they've been taught into something that could apply to the question you've asked. 9\10 times, their argument falls apart and they start giving you half answers with no defined yes or no answers.
My boyfriend was raised JW and I asked him what all his meetings during the week were like, he said there was a dedicated meeting where they would just sit and role play with a rehearsed script on what to say to people. I thought that was creepy that they literally dedicate time to memorize scripts like sleazy salesmen or robots
Keep up the good work with these videos. At least more people come to know who JWs are. Helps in their witnessing.
You go Lloyd! Bring it! 😁
As a 'worldly' convert, both my husband and I to then becoming a full blown auxillary pioneer , even with two school aged children (now ex JW) It never ceases to amaze me how the indoctrination process is crafted.
I'm disgusted at the blatant and giant lie by that gentleman JW about NOT shunning baptised people who leave of their own volition. In which alternate reality I ask?
Further, the Titus 1:2, "God CANNOT lie" scripture was always exquisite to me personally. I recall trying to proselytise my own sibling, saying "This is the true religion ", by proclaiming "I imitate God and if he cannot lie I certainly won't! "
This was promoted in my bible studies but clearly not applicable value endorsed by this representative of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah in this witnessing scenario.
Great work Lloyd and it's great to be aware that JW org. Is not the true religion. I actually pity the many friends I made during those 4 plus years.
The camera man wasn’t doing a very good job lol he can’t hold the camera still lol but great video you have the patience of Job Lloyd ❤ keep these kind of videos coming awesome job talking to these people and staying so calm….
Maybe it’s because these were hidden cameras
Looking forward to the next one
Hi,...my brother is an elder in Australia and recently his congregation had the circuit overseers visit....and as usual the CO has a meeting with the body of elders after the meeting ...so all the elders wives went home and the elders had their meeting with the CO.....which finished about 10pm....then the CO...asked where the nearest pub was....so the elders and CO went to the local hotel for drink.
I don't know but wouldn't such a practice be frowned upon?
My elder brother thought it was great. He tried to impress on me that the organization was more liberal and permissive these days.....go figure!
The jws don't condemn drinking, as long as it's done " sensibly"
@@felicitydeikos5250 But lots of JW were alcoholics. Go figure.
Is it me or does it feel like when they talking they sounds like call centers scammers?
They are so disingenuous, robotic, lost, misrepresenting, misleading. But despite that, being respectful and calm is the best way to do it.
I’m having trouble finding the w 19 October article, does anyone have a link to it?? Thanks in advance!! I really need it to show my very pimi sister who keeps arguing the opposite…
Interesting comment by the lady in Zagreb about not starting a study at the beginning of the Bible and working through. She was spot on that most would be bored however I wonder if the WT realise that doing that would get so many immediate questions about how the Earth formed, abiogenesis, evolution, age of the planet etc that that is why they would never do this.
And before that the lady is saying there are lots of people who say they follow the Bible but there are lots of interpretations…so..
(1] sounds like their Bible Study is a “no true Scotsman” then.
(2) if there are so many religions that follow the Bible because of different interpretations then surely it’s not a book written by or inspired by any god and/or is infallible as any god that they think exists would have been able to made the book crystal clear to all and not leave things open to interpretation.
This question bothered me a lot when I was a JW. I wondered often about two things 1. How did an all powerful all knowing god leave us with such a book that literally can be interpreted whichever way anyone wants? Wouldn't he have made sure that there was no doubt and his word as clear as day? Humans write better wills to take care of their affairs and family when they die-it just didn't compute. 2. Why is god going to kill non JWs, seemed to me like there would be a ton of people who would never have heard the "good news" why will they be killed? The children too? Babies? What did they do to deserve god's wrath? These among many other JWs tormented me. I thought Jehovah himself was going to chop me into pieces every time my mind would question the reality I was being taught.😂
People had more dignity in the 40’s. People would get dressed up to shop in department stores, you never heard cursing or the criminals we have now and homeless all over
Rock N,
So, nobody used profane language in the '40s, and criminals didn't exist? Is it really nice to insult homeless people by viewing them as an "inconvenience to society"? What have homeless people done to harm you? I think as a society we should be helping homeless persons, not further adding to the misery that they're already experiencing. Also in the 1940s, I doubt people living in Nazi occupied Europe found that time period so great.
The 40s were so great ?.. glad you feel that racial segregation in places like the US etc was better than now.
@@robertfreeman6082 anytime has bad things about it. People still have slaves and people are starving around the world. I’m talking about how people had more dignity back then
@@robertfreeman6082 We are living in cheap chintzy times. Just like 1929... Only this time around there's no community. At least back then most people had chickens in the backyard and could take a gun to the fields and woods, a fishpole to the lakes and creeks. Grandma and Grandpa didn't even know the depression was on, they knew well how to live off the land and got along well with their neighbors, everyone helped everyone else out. Today it's different... it's a dog-eat-dog world..... Hell is coming to America and right soon.
I don't know, but I was told by a jw that this war in Russia and Ukraine and America is prophecied in the Bible.
This will also be the Last Final war, before Jesus's Kingdom arrives on earth ( from heaven), which is why it will be the most terrorfying war in the world's history of wars.
The most telling thing in regards to their responses is that all their answers are based on belief and feeling. No evidence required for them. I found it to be humorous and genuinely sad at the same time. My parents are in their twilight years and still believe and have shunned me for 33 years. Even if they still never associated with me again, I would want them to wake up and stop living a lie.
OK I have a question for the Croatian JW, I also had a jw who was Croatian, but after attending a few meetings with her, things went " sour" she attempt to be bossy, conrtrolling me along, at the meetings every week when I was sick, I had pneumonia, she argued with me saying, that if I don't attend, I will always be ill, for the rest of my life.
When she came to my front door, she started to argue with my mum, then abused my mum. I then told her, she was banned from my house, she refused to listen.
I told her ( as she returned from Egypt) she had a stomach infection, at the same time I had pneumonia in 2016) I also advised her not to come to my house,myself with pneumonia and her stomach illness.
She took offence, then it led to a few months of the jws lady Stojanka Totavic to abuse me and my mum.
I nearly called the police.
These Witnesses do nothing but want to boss and control you.
It seemed like a " nice religion at first," but I was fooled.
I don't assume every jw will please Jehovah God or enter " paradise " with their behaviour
I know why they don’t encourage university level education . I did not hear a single one who would have earned a ‘ pass , let alone a credit . Oh dear ! This was painful and embarrassing 😳
After the year 2020 a good question would be. What about the great tribulation that was coming after the pandemic?
A jw sister said to me that there would be more increasing stronger pandemics, like everything else, it will get worse until Gods Kingdom arrives.
I always want to talk to them to ask why they believe such errant, immoral nonsense, but something always stops me.
It's really sad. They seem so confused like they don't even know what they believe. But they still believe it... I feel for them
1940: Pre-WW1?
Not the brightest bunch.
He was referring to pre 1914 before Satan was cast of the earth as Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
I had a nice talk full of BS at carts. I said 1 Cor. 13:4-5, love does not keep account of injury. So you guys do not keep any lists of people that have wronged you, like your former members. They denied having such information. They said that it would be a violation against GDPR. They have learned their lesson well. I said that it makes sense, like if I would be mad at some article in newspaper in the 1990's, there would be no reason why I would not read the same newspaper again. Editorial policies change, so do people. I said that I have visited many churches like the Orthodox Church. I said that it was nice to go there, even nicer to get out. It is nice to have a religion where you can exit freely. They said, yes, a person can just leave the JWs just as easily.
All the great, superior, and powerful Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, JWs, Born Agains, Catholics, SDAs, Mormons, Baptists, Methodists, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, fanatics of all Religions in the world KNOW that they -
1. don't respect and obey the Sovereignty and commandments of the Creator
2. don't submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth and rejected too his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence.
Loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth KNOW that they rejected the superiority, power, and greatness of Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their own lives and existence and instead -
1. love, honor, and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father
2. submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that loving kind, and respectful human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will be favored, honored and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with Eternal Life and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and hateful persons, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions.
The Creator KNOWS
that in his own right time, he will let his Christ resurrect back to life all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's followers, and many others so that all loving, kind, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "Kingdom of God" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth, his Christ.
It's strange to watch the wheels spin while they realize, and simultaneously ignore, the fact they have no good evidence it's the truth.
Thank you.
Your 1940's start (later sprinkled) is answered by something like 'all these things must come to pass' (that includes those that have past).
You big, mid-way questions (which get their size having made no distinction betweenThe Word and its' corruption/s) are all answered by faith (see how sweet everyone you talked to was.. Every poor one completely corrupted [ultimately by elitism]).
As for your Evolution Nugget (EN), it shines (stink-free ☺) if we just recall that a day to G-d is as 1000 years.
And by the time 1st John 2:18 was written they believed that they were living in the last hour.
So if a day is a thousand years how much is an hour? A little under 50 years. And at what point in that hour did they think that they were living? Quarter past? Half past? 45 minutes past? Two minutes to midnight?
The entire New Testament from Matthew through Revelation conveys the message that THEY were living in the last days and that the end was near.
"The end of all things is near" 1st Peter 4:7
All of the New Testament including the gospels was written decades after Jesus supposedly lived, died and was resurrected.
In Matthew 24 : 33 and 34 Jesus told his disciples that they would know his return was near and that he was right at the door when they saw all the things he predicted take place.
Decades after he supposedly said that, James 5:8 and 9 stated that the return of the Lord is near, he is right at the door.
Even Revelation opens up with the statement that it is a revelation of things which must SOON take place. That the time was near and Jesus was coming quickly.
John had a vision of his near future when a beast would rise out of the abyss.
He explained that the beast "once was, now is not, yet is about to rise up out of the abyss."
That means that at sometime prior to John writing Revelation the beast had been on the scene (once was).
At the time John wrote Revelation the beast was in the abyss (now is not).
But John expected the beast to rise out of the abyss shortly thereafter.
@@extraterrestrial4287 Hey there - your name perfect here ☺
Still, 'as' isn't 'is'.
And those beastly tenses you mention fit snug into there being 'time no longer', as given in the same book.
Also, with any immanence of end times perhaps best characterized by 'This generation will not pass until all these things be fulfilled' and that verse particularly agreeing with all your 'soon' points, it also holds them all to: -
- faiths' evident continuance after a generation despite those verses,
- two worlds (one spiritual),
- the word sleep interchangable with that of death.
Then there's the spirit of Elijah ascribed to the Baptist, or Enoch being spared death itself.
All of this in a timelessness we might feel we sense and yet just maybe, don't.
I also do BELIEVE THE WITNESSES DO SAY BAD / ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR, TO MAKE US " HATE THEM" AS TO STATE THAT THEY ARE THE ONLY " RELIGION " THAT WILL SURVIVE ARMEGGION.
Hello, so I wanted to know then how do you prove that christianity is true. That was the question posed to the witnesses about their religion.
Right, so what I saw from all these interviews is that: it’s the truth because we think/believe it, so there!
That sounds very much like the “logic” of women and children 😂!
Pre World War One? Not very educated?
I think he was talkin pre 1914. Before Satan was cast of the earth as Jehovah's Witnesses believe.
He thinks 1940 was pre WW1. ☹️
You know it’s a cult when they say all the same spew!
Some things evolved??? Since when is this a witness teaching? Haha
You really can't blame these JWs for not having the most convincing of arguments. It's really not their fault, their taught to believe in such faulty uses of logic and some poor reasoning. When you ask them difficult or uncomfortable questions, the cognitive dissonance that many of them must feel probably really starts to kick in.
Let me see if i can help throw some light on this......though im sure there will be no point as people believe what they want to believe. The majority of the World does not want to believe in a God? Simply because it would mean them being held accountable for their lives, changing their ways and life. They are happy with their lot and accept the world for what it is, and struggle through life suffering the mess it is and end with death with no hope for a future. Funny thing is the biggest controversial question that has stood the test of time is whether there is a god or not.....where did that come from, when fashions and fads and icons come and go. Why is this point still on going? It is a fact that belief in God is getting less and less with each decade and will temporarily end with destruction of all false religion. One of the Witnesses in the video tried to answer why believing in god and just being a good person is not enough to survive the end of this system.....answer is "“This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”-JOHN 17:3." and James 2 14-17 "Faith without works is dead" One must study the bible to best of his own ability and apply it in their life to the point of baptism, and continue to live by it, in essence becoming one of jesus disciples where he told them to "go therefore and make disciples of all the peoples of all the nations. Matthew 24 14 "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the habited Earth, for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come"......... You asked for proof. everyone likes proof, proof is in the details.......look online at those that walk through the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah, the walls remain but are nothing but ash, in fact you can see heat swirl patterns in all the walls. Sulphur balls embedded. The Grand canyon is the single most obvious proof the flood happened and evolution couldn't of happened. See the layers of mud and different composites in different colours? If that all formed over millions of years, then why isnt there a graduation in those colours? Why are the canyon walls all jagged and not smoothed by water over millions of years? Why are there still fossilized bird prints in the rocks? Ever see a bird leave footprints in wet mud and they remain there for days and past the days it rains? All that was done in seconds with shifting mud flats slamming down layer on layer encasing all the different creatures, including woolly mammoth found with fresh veg still in its mouth....die of old age did it? Mentioned in the Bible is King Hezekiah, a fictional person? Look online and see his seal with his name still on it, better still look at the ancient city of Babylon which the Bible said it would never be rebuilt and that wild beasts would inhabit it.....there are houses and peoples dwellings all around the city on the edge of its walls foundations clearly seen and nothing but animals live there....the remains of the city still show the name of King Nebuchadnezzar in the bricks, and the names of those above his name where they had tried to rebuild it. If you throw a bag of marbles in the air, would they fall into an organised pattern to such accuracy that can sustain life and set your watch too? Granted this isnt the world that Jehovah god created, it has become contaminated and twisted and is living proof that 1 john 5:19 "The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one" He wants to hide the truth from you.....he would rather you believe in evolution or that there is an afterlife. Jehovahs witnesses are not there trying to convert you in that like manner, they are there being obedient trying to help people understand for themselves.....that is why we have been designed with the gift of free will, the right to choose for ourselves. Adam made the wrong choice and so we all suffer sin now as the world was handed to Satan so that God could prove why man cant rule himself. The result? He has given us the Bible to explain why we are here, why the world is in the mess it is, how we can best deal with it, and what he intends to do about it in the near future. You all have the right to choose for yourselves...though I am reminded of Matthew 7:13 “Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it , whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it"
Existing on planet earth are liars, deceivers, slanderers, and hypocrites, arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless human beings.
Also existing are loving, kind, and respectful persons.
All are free to have their own opinions, claims, and beliefs
All are free to honor and obey the Creator as the Most High and Sovereign God or insult and degrade him as worthless and useless
All are free to believe the teachings of the Christ OR reject them as worthless and useless
Arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, fanatics of all Religions and Cults, Atheists, and Agnostics are the liars, slanderers, hypocrites, and deceitful human beings on earth who are boasting and claiming that -
1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth
3. the teachings of the Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are worthless and useless, without any value at all
Loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth are not arrogant, cruel, and hateful Atheists, Agnostics, or fanatics of any Christian and non-Christian Religion but ordinary, lowly, and submissive human beings who -
1. love, honor, and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father
2. submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth
3. believe the teachings of the Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
THE WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the LIVES and EXISTENCE of the CREATOR and HIS CHRIST TO LOVING, KIND, and RESPECTFUL HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH -
The Creator is not worthless and useless but a loving, kind, and merciful God and Heavenly Father who will honor and reward with Eternal Life and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who submit to the authority of his Christ and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
Jesus Christ is not worthless and useless too but a loving, kind, and merciful Heavenly Master and King who in the Creator's own right time will resurrect back to life all loving, kind, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, his followers, and many others so that all loving, kind, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator himself and his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth, his Christ.
If you choose to comment back please read Eziekel 34 and please explain that chapter to me. Matthew 7:21-23 please tell me what that says about ones doing all these works they claim if not done will die at Armageddon. Thanks just need answers if you have them please share them to these questions. Thanks. Have a great day!
The bible is the greatest STORY ever told.Religion has killed more people than it ever saved.Jehovah is the God of war ,chaos . Created by man to control the masses including the pagan ones.
Craig Lee,
Who says that nobody should be accountable for their actions or that people shouldn't believe in God? Most people on Earth are religious. Atheists and agnostics are not the majority. Some people do change aspects of their lives all the time, but as long as they're not harming anyone, people can do pretty much what they prefer. As for the scientific questions, you ask, they're all good questions, but I'm not a scientist, and those are the people you should be asking about those questions. I'm not willing to just accept one religious group's or any religious group's explanations over scientific mysteries that they probably don't want to understand because it might conflict with cherished doctrine. I feel that's dishonest. I don't see how the Grand Canyon was caused by a global flood, especially when there isn't enough water to flood the entire earth. Why does one have to choose between accepting evolution or believing in life after death? Plenty of religious people accept evolution and believe in an afterlife.
I don't know that Hezekiah was a fictional person. I think a lot of Biblical patriarchs were probably fictitious. As for saying God is a "fad", if belief in the divine is a "fad", then why have people believed in deities for millennia? It's an inherent thing to believe in sources greater than us, though I don't necessarily believe that belief in God is inherent in everyone. Wer'e also pattern seekers. We're living in a time where it's more okay to question belief in God whereas in other times it may not have been. We're living in a time where we can even question Jehovah's Witness doctrine; if the JW denomination were the dominant religion in society and had existed at some other time, history might have a different story to tell. Would the JWs have been willing to hand people over to secular governments to execute people for heresy and apostasy because it presented a challenge to the Organization's orthodoxy? Would they have behaved any differently than their Catholic or Protestant peers in that regard?
I'd personally like to think so and that Witnesses wouldn't be that cruel or harsh, but I don't trust the Watchtower Society enough as an institution when it comes to the amount of power and influence that they have. I don't wish to live in a Jehovah's Witness theocracy than I would to exist in any kind other religious theocracy; I'm an atheist, and I don't want to live in a country that would promote State atheism either. I wouldn't Witnesses themselves living in a JW theocracy, I'd worry about their safety and livelihoods, especially the already least advantaged ones. I'd worry about ex-Witnesses and lifelong non-JWs would be treated in Witness dominated society.
Why is it fair for Yahweh to punish the whole world because of what Adam did? I don't believe Adam existed but still. Religious Jews, the LDS Church and Muslims reject the idea of original sin because they believe that humans are to be held accountable by God for their own actions, not the actions of their ancestors. I don't think it would be right to punish the entire human race because of two people's actions. Sure, the world has problems, but I don't see how that proves the existence of Satan. All it says to me is that life can be hard, and that the world can be a pain the ass at times. Why would I want to worship a deity who says, "I'm going to make a point to humanity by giving the world over to my worst enemy to prove that I am the only one that should rule over everyone"? It makes God sound so haughty, and I don't like it when mortal human beings act that way, much less a deity.
You mean, you're going to allow your enemy to torment people and do nothing to help suffering people, many of whom largely may not have done anything that seriously wrong in their lives? I don't think I'd want to worship a deity like that. What did a starving child in Africa possibly do so wrong in their lives, that an allegedly loving deity wouldn't step in and make sure that they have plenty of food to eat? Because they were born "sinful", so therefore, they deserve to starve to death because they had the audacity to not be born "perfect" and "sinless" like God originally wanted? That seems harsh. I would say that God is accountable for allowing that suffering to continue under Satan's hand if either entity existed and if Satan had dominion over this world.
The Bible is the attempts of ancient Jews and Christians to make sense of the world they were living in, and why should I accept the Watchtower Society's interpretation of that book without question. When one is baptized as a JW, the questioning of doctrine is supposed to stop. Why? Why is wrong to continuing questioning your beliefs? Why is it okay that you can get punished for doing so by facing forcible excommunication from and being shunned by their religious community. Jehovah's Witnesses often say they help people come to their own conclusions, but if you come to a conclusion that isn't in line with already established doctrine, you are removed from your religious community and are essentially told that you've lost your eternal salvation -- that you're now "anti-God, wicked, mentally diseased and are now part of the Anti-Christ". The JWs often say, the road that leads to eternal life is narrow, but so do other fundamentalist Christians. I have no reason to believe that we will be granted eternal life What if there is a god and that deity doesn't want people to live forever?
The early Israelites didn't believe in life after death at one point. They thought at one time that this was only life God gave you, and you would be punished in the here and now passed how one chose to live their life. I don't believe in God, and I have no reason to, but I can understand the early Israelites concern for appreciation in this life, and even modern Judaism, despite believing in a "world to come", largely focuses on this trying to make life in this world better and then worrying about the afterlife when one's time in this life is up. When you say that Jehovah's Witnesses claim no one but them has hope for the future. You do know that most people believe in life after death, right? Just because they don't believe in the JW version of the afterlife doesn't mean they don't have hope that they'll achieve immortality.
I wouldn't put much accuracy in the time of a watch if I were you. A broken watch sometimes cannot be repaired. Technology is flawed and can sometimes fail us, sometimes in horrific ways. Did we learn nothing from the RMS TITANIC disaster? To say conditions on earth "are perfect for human life", and yet, we are still prey to natural disasters and viral disease that can damage our bodies and evil kill us. We have to deal with predatory animals that have an innate desire to eat meat, and some of them can consume human meat, though for some animals, we're not good for their digestive systems. Life is messy, but that's how it's always been, and the universe doesn't care about what we believe or what we want. I don't have any desire to rejoin the JW denomination. I'd want what to be part of an institution that doesn't allow for the questioning of dogma or that will punish you for reaching a different conclusion they what the Organization has.
I don't wish to be a part of a Church that endorses its members having homophobic or transphobic attitudes and that discriminates against them in terms of their denominational membership standards. I don't wish to break up same-sex families or couple's relationships. I don't wish to tell trans people that their gender identity is "contrary to nature", that their choice to undergo a sex change operation is a form of "mutilation" or encouraging them to break up with their spouse who was born as the same physical sex as them or requiring them to live as the physical sex they were born as. I don't want to promote the practice of shunning "because the Bible says so". I'm not willing to just insert and substitute a religious answer in regard to scientific, historical, philosophical or moral questions that might be difficult to answer or might not have answer. I'm not willing to be part of a Church that encourages people to die instead of taking a blood transfusion that might help them. I don't want to rejoin a Church that wishes people to martyr themselves for it if they live in under an oppressive governmental regime, though I'd never wish harm on any JW who lives in such a country, and I am sympathetic to their plight. I'm not willing to be part of a Church that doesn't allow me the option of accepting scientific concepts like evolution because it conflicts with established Church doctrine.
I don't want to be part of a Church that doesn't encourage its clergy to immediately report known or suspected cases of child sexual abuse to the authorities. I don't wish to be part of a Church that accuses raped female members of "having consented to sexual acts" if those women didn't call out for help. I don't wish to be part of a Church that discourages higher education because it conflicts with cherished doctrine. I don't wish to be part of a Church that emphasis belief as being more important than being a good person. I care about actions more than beliefs. I will say that I don't like it when people use their beliefs to demean or hurt others. I don't want to be part of a Church that brags about helping the needy in their own religious community while shaming others for believing that Jesus would want them to help everyone in need because they believe that "everyone is Christ's brothers." I don't wish to belong to a religious community that says I can't engage in and will be punished for engaging in actions to try and help improve social or political conditions because "we should leave it all up to God". I don't wish to be a Jehovah's Witness again. I don't belong in that community and there is no place for me there.
No answer?🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗…. Nothing but crickets? No light shed on these questions?🌅🌄🌅🌄🌅🌄🌅 well that’s a damn shame. Thanks for repeating what we all already know and have heard for years.