They clearly struggle with English and Lloyd is using quite complex terms. Even if you understand a bit of a foreign language, having an in depth discussion about your beliefs is hard. I'm dutch and I would really struggle to accurately explain my worldview in german.
Yes that's one argument of how certain books of the New Testament couldn't have been written by close disciples of Jesus. Aramaic speakers without an huge amount of education would have struggled to have written well-thought-out books in Greek.
Very well done exchange, Lloyd, I forgot to mention that. You have such respect for the Rank And File JWs I applaud you. There are definitely many R&F Witnesses that I miss...truly good people...Gets me down a little too often. Thank you again, well done.
i relate to this! during the late 35 years i never had an occasion to get a conversation with jws because i currently live in a country where they are not allowed to preach. But one month ago, during a holiday in Spain, i dared to try it. As spanish is not my first language, they would not guess that i m a DAd former pioneer and elder. I told them I had contacts with jw in the 70s, a cousin of mine is still in, ( by the way, it s all true) . I asked about the last days, the generations, Tony s eviction, and also about my personal doubts about the permission of evil, and the shunning policy, about resurrection… of course, they have the standard jw answers, but we had them too!! anyway it was a nice conversation, and who knows, perhaps some seeds of doubt will grew up:) I m preparing another trip to Europe, perhaps I ll repeat it! as I speak a few european languages. Probably I ll stay 1/2 days in Zagreb, perhaps I ll watch our brave Lloyd in his fight for critical thinking:))
You are getting really good at this Lloyd. Clever! This was your best one yet. If it were me, I would immediately want to see what someone is going to see when they "Google" JW'S
I’ve studied with jw’s and imo and experience they are genuine people mostly who want what 99% of humanity craves, however I do question their leaders and the rules and policies some of which are very destructive and I’m certain have cost many lives 😢
Thank you Lloyd ! I love your channel,one of the reasons because you,like myself are always civilized to the JW. Hope to see you in southern California soon
After leaving I made a conscious decision to not be an "angry ex-jw". Partially because I never listened to those people while I was still aprt of it and partly because I'd get shunned by my family to some extent if I ran around talking badly about the witnesses. Your analogy about doing a google search and finding 90% of people have bad reviews really hit me. Without condoning unkind/rude behaviour, there is a reason ex-JWs respond in the way we occasionally do. This cult is harmful and the bad reviews speak loudly.
These encounters are a bit anticlimactic. The language limitations make it difficult for the JWs to articulate their views, biased and incorrect as they may be. As a native English speaker, I would gladly argue against Lloyd “evolution” beliefs, and could muster scientific, mathematical, ontological and epistemological facts in a way these poor JWs couldn’t (even if their English was better). The better part of the video was when the nature of the topic was simple. For example, “Who will survive Armageddon, according to JWs?”
Thanks, Llyod, you have a fantastic channel and the work that you do. It staggers me that over 1000 official Christian denominations with their invisible and unheard deity from an old book that says a thing. Just think, the god 'allegedly' created the universe and gave men from 2K+ years ago an old textbook they could not keep and certainly could not correctly understand the meaning. of. Clearly, they could not 'interpret' the old translated written word into just one religion. It shows me the power of childhood indoctrination before the child can think critically for themselves. It's fascinating and it makes no difference if these two were Mormons and Muslims. Still, the same process happened when they were children. The person has been convinced, usually when young and by family, schools, and the culture they live in that 'their' god is real. This is usually with poor and insufficient evidence like Santa at Christmas except the adults are happy to let that bubble burst. Children soon learn that Santa is not real whereas the particular god of your parents and their parents is kept going. Children don't need the good and necessary evidence that an adult meeting that religion for the first time would require. Please do tell me what you think about this. Alice
18:08 : imagine that, he justifies his lack of money, lack of big career and suffering to the price paid for being like Jesus. This concept of sacrificing is one of the most destructive features of JW. It leads to vicious cycle of Un-ambition and poverty.
Rae Roms, I hardly think Jesus being crucified for causing a disturbance in a house of worship and being accused by other religious people of "heresy" is comparable to having a lack of financial or material prosperity and not having a successful career, and then using your time to devote your life to promoting a specific form of religious theology. There's a difference between sacrifice and denying yourself opportunities to learn, to improve yourself, to develop talents, to develop hobbies or to forge a successful job or career path because it conflicts with your religion's demands and expectations of you.
@@b.w.7588What about the expectations in Matthew 19:21 and Luke 18:22? Apart from excellent examples of the Bible authors plagiarising each other, it seems like a unambiguous example of how Jesus endorsed sacrifice, that was directly the consequence of self imposed poverty and anti-materialistic objectives. Not to mention all the grotesque stuff about disowning your family follow him instead. Throw away your family, friends and worldly possessions and follow me. Isn't that right?
@@b.w.7588 The bible is a jewish book, by the jews and for the jews. It’s unfortunate that the average person cant build our own life with the science and ideas of out time, but must first be indoctrinated about some smart Jewish rebellious dude who lived and died 2000 years ago.
@@skepticusmaximus184 yea. For early Christians they were quite suicidal about their beliefs. They would rather be killed than stop believing. Very similar to the religious fanatics of “IsWam”😉 We are modern people, lets see the bible as what it is, a jewish book. Doesn’t concern anyone
How is it relevant whether the JW preacher believed in evolution or not?! Evolution does not disprove the existence of a creator, even Richard Dawkins admitted that.
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, and FANATICS OF RELIGIONS VS. the CREATOR and HIS CHRIST Arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists Muslims, Hindus, and fanatics of all Religions in the world who are freely and openly insulting and degrading - 1. the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God 2. Jesus Christ as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth 3. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless are the shameless, worthless, and useless human beings on earth who KNOW and are fully aware that their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the authorities, will, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will bring them dishonor, shame, disgrace, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. The CREATOR and HIS CHRIST VS. SATAN'S ATHEISM, AGNOSTICISM, and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teaching about the "Kingdom of God" is the Creator's Rulership through him that will destroy and put an end to all the Satanic arrogance, hatred, lies, deceptions, hypocrisies, and cruelties of Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism and ensures planet earth is safe, secure, and peaceful for all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings who will live and exist on it forever without sufferings, pains, griefs, miseries, sickness, and deaths. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead" is the Creator's guarantee that all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, his disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life in the Creator's own right time so that all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
They're talking to a group of people who literally wrote a book called 'Evolution or Creation'. It's a relevant topic, no? Evolution does disprove the god of the bible if you take a fundamentalist view - which JW's do.
"I thought about university and big things"... This is so foreign to me that people just stop learning. "The bible encourages learning" then fucking go do it. But no, for some reason all of JW I ever met(around 10+) were nit only without a will for higher education, they barely passed the basic school education. Idk its just so foreign to me that people think they know something about the world without talking to actual experts about that. *Im personally without higher education yet because life circumstances, but looking forward on getting into Manitoba University next year for a computer science programm, and I got high level school degree and a practical engineer degree in software engineering, so im not an expert but at least im not without it
It was hard to hear what the JW man at the cart was saying, so I did tune out a bit. As for praying for God to reveal Himself to you, is that not engaging in confirmation bias to an extent? If you pray to God to show that JW doctrine is true? Aren't you then looking for confirmation of what you already want and have presumed to be true?
JW cult refuse blood , including on behalf of children , shun people who don’t obey their rules , deny freedom of information , do not tolerate homosexuals, , etc. Is that not the truth ?
Abiogenesis is the science explains how life came from chemicals. Scientists consider it to be a fact even though they don’t have all of the steps in place. Evolution only explains how life diversified after it formed.
12:48: interesting that he didn’t believe in God initially. It took him 2 years of convincing himself to become a JW. “He tried to find what’s wrong”. Conclusion: We all start out sans belief in God, as atheist, then get indoctrinated.
Rae Roms, I'm an atheist myself, and I don't know if I buy into the "all babies are atheists" argument, but I don't think people are born with a belief in a specific religious ideology.
Can the outside world have prejudice towards the JWs? Yes, but aren't JWs also being capable of being prejudiced towards others? Are JWs unbiased when it comes to discussing issues relating to the identities or social concerns of the LGBT community? Are JWs unbiased in their opinions when it comes to examining the beliefs and practices of any non-JW religious group? Is the Watchtower Society completely unbiased in their attitudes towards lifelong non-Witnesses or in regard to apostates? Are the Society's attitudes towards blood transfusions or other medical procedures involving the use of blood entirely free from bias? I admit that I have my biases over all kinds of things. I'm not free from bias or prejudice as much I might try not to be, but I can at least admit it and own up to it, and a JW isn't allowed to admit to having prejudices or biases in when it comes to their religion or views that contradict their religion. When one is a baptized Witness, or even if they're an unbaptized Witness, they can be punished for looking at information that disagrees with their religious beliefs or with the Watchtower Society's prescribed interpretation of the Bible. They're told that if they do this, they risk losing both their religious community and are threatened with future punishment meted out to them by God, which their religious community tells them will result in the definite loss of their eternal salvation. I don't have anyone to tell me that I will be punished for looking at information that disagrees with or conflicts with my current views or values. I don't have to risk losing my religious community or my eternal salvation (I don't belong to a religious community, and I don't believe in an afterlife, so therefore I don't believe in eternal salvation). My ability to inquire isn't impeded upon established doctrine, and I'm rather glad of that. Freedom of inquiry is important to me. Did you know that even though I am an atheist, I think some rules in the Bible aren't so bad, but then there are other rules in that book that I don't have a favorable opinion of. I'm cherry-picking, yes, but I can at least admit to it, and I don't see anything wrong with cherry-picking that book. For me, it's selective reading.
The real, existing, and raging battle to the death on earth is not Atheists VS. Theists, but this - The love, kindness, goodness, compassions, favors, blessings, and authorities of the Creator and his Christ VS. the arrogance, hatred, lies, deceptions, hypocrisies, and cruelties of Religions, Atheists, and Agnostics PROOF THAT ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, and FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE ON EARTH Atheists, Agnostics, JWs, Born Agains, Catholics, Mormons, SDAs, Baptists, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all Religions in the world who are filling the world with the lies and false teachings of the enemies of Jesus Christ about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "rapture", and "reincarnation" while insulting and degrading the Creator too as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God are the liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, hateful, cruel, and merciless persons on earth who are enjoying their lives, not bothered and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the authorities, will, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ bring them their own disgrace, dishonor, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever. PROOF THAT THE CREATOR and HIS CHRIST CARE ABOUT THE LIVES, DIGNITIES, WELFARE, and EXISTENCE OF HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH Jesus Christ KNOWS that all imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are the loving, kind, caring, and respectful persons on earth who are definitely bringing upon themselves the Creator's favor, honor, and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless persons, without liars, deceivers, slanderers, hypocrites, terrorists, and murderers. Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead" is the Creator's guarantee that all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, his disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life in the Creator's own right time so that all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
I feel like birth is the start of good over evil. God sends you to earth as in a form of a birth and depending on how you live your life depends on the longevity of your life. Live a hard life and commit evil Armageddon is coming for you. Life a good life and you will live as good as you need too. It not a belief for me its just thoughts. ❤️🇨🇦
Respectfully, that sounds pretty bonkers. The concept that god sends you to earth is as close to their being a stork that delivers babies as I've ever heard. I don't know if it's been explained, but when a man and a woman...blippity blap and make a baby, it is ENTIRELY a biological process. The same process works for cows and monkeys. Sperm, egg, cells. I think that nullifies the notion that god "sends you to earth". Using your theory, I would love for you to explain childhood cancer and countless defects at birth if these beings had only just been sent to earth and have not even had the opportunity to prove what kind of hard or good life they would lead.
Do not cast your Pearl's before the Swine.this guy is mocking what Jehovah has promised.This guy is just trying to argue and he doesnt even have a backup.just Quite it's sad that he wants to argue.
1. I suspect that you don't know exactly what Lloyd's personal relationships are like, because, I presume, you aren't a fly on the wall. 2. Were you asked to advocate for a grown woman, who is sound of mind and body? What business is this of yours? 3. Are you an ex-JW perhaps? Because I have noticed that disrespecting personal boundaries, jumping to conclusions, and instantly judging, are difficult learned behavioural habits that are ingrained and difficult for some ex-JWs to change.
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This was a particularly good exchanged. Very fair and respectful.
They clearly struggle with English and Lloyd is using quite complex terms. Even if you understand a bit of a foreign language, having an in depth discussion about your beliefs is hard. I'm dutch and I would really struggle to accurately explain my worldview in german.
So, German is just double Dutch to you?😊
Very valid point.
The brother did very well.
Yes that's one argument of how certain books of the New Testament couldn't have been written by close disciples of Jesus. Aramaic speakers without an huge amount of education would have struggled to have written well-thought-out books in Greek.
Very well done exchange, Lloyd, I forgot to mention that. You have such respect for the Rank And File JWs I applaud you. There are definitely many R&F Witnesses that I miss...truly good people...Gets me down a little too often. Thank you again, well done.
i relate to this! during the late 35 years i never had an occasion to get a conversation with jws because i currently live in a country where they are not allowed to preach. But one month ago, during a holiday in Spain, i dared to try it. As spanish is not my first language, they would not guess that i m a DAd former pioneer and elder. I told them I had contacts with jw in the 70s, a cousin of mine is still in, ( by the way, it s all true) . I asked about the last days, the generations, Tony s eviction, and also about my personal doubts about the permission of evil, and the shunning policy, about resurrection… of course, they have the standard jw answers, but we had them too!! anyway it was a nice conversation, and who knows, perhaps some seeds of doubt will grew up:) I m preparing another trip to Europe, perhaps I ll repeat it! as I speak a few european languages. Probably I ll stay 1/2 days in Zagreb, perhaps I ll watch our brave Lloyd in his fight for critical thinking:))
Lloyd your patience is next level. Thank you ❤
You are getting really good at this Lloyd. Clever! This was your best one yet. If it were me, I would immediately want to see what someone is going to see when they "Google" JW'S
I’ve studied with jw’s and imo and experience they are genuine people mostly who want what 99% of humanity craves, however I do question their leaders and the rules and policies some of which are very destructive and I’m certain have cost many lives 😢
Not having the third option should be a massive red flag regards any subject.
Thank you Lloyd ! I love your channel,one of the reasons because you,like myself are always civilized to the JW.
Hope to see you in southern California soon
How do they not go around town with a picture of you saying "do not speak to this guy" yet?
Maybe that’s why Lloyd dyed his hair 😂
@@schleprock000 well than he should be even more recognizable shouldn't he? 🤣
they would not look up apostates to know such but the org big time know Lloyd and many x Jehovah witnesses know his reputation very well !
😂😂😂😂😂
Very nice. I love the fact that you plant seeds with respect.
You are very respectful of others with differing opinions than you. 🤎
Nice Job
The question is what is a good group of people ??? Warwick 😂😂😂😂😂
Great job, thanks Lloyd
I have to say Lloyd
Your end music is very healing
It’s finally over…..love that 👏
After leaving I made a conscious decision to not be an "angry ex-jw". Partially because I never listened to those people while I was still aprt of it and partly because I'd get shunned by my family to some extent if I ran around talking badly about the witnesses.
Your analogy about doing a google search and finding 90% of people have bad reviews really hit me. Without condoning unkind/rude behaviour, there is a reason ex-JWs respond in the way we occasionally do.
This cult is harmful and the bad reviews speak loudly.
I wish Lloyd interviewed an American J.W.
Very nice as always. The chick in the background smoking next to a stroller really infuriated me.
Lol
Infuriated me too!
No one has proven that gravity exists
😂
Nicely done, I like the Google thing.
Thanks Jason!
so many kind people in JW's... I can only feel sorry for most of them, Only because the people higher up have so much control over them.
Does the Jehovah's witnesses think life started in a ford Cortina?
@24:16 What a lovely conversation with Oooòoooooo and Oooooooooo. The tension created by knowing they had no idea who you were was delicious.
Someone in my family has just had a baby. Too bad a name has already been chosen!
@@daniellamcgee4251 What was the name? Speaking of names, Daniella is such a pretty name. It just sounds like a beautiful flower looks.
These encounters are a bit anticlimactic. The language limitations make it difficult for the JWs to articulate their views, biased and incorrect as they may be. As a native English speaker, I would gladly argue against Lloyd “evolution” beliefs, and could muster scientific, mathematical, ontological and epistemological facts in a way these poor JWs couldn’t (even if their English was better).
The better part of the video was when the nature of the topic was simple. For example, “Who will survive Armageddon, according to JWs?”
HOW SAD, THAT JW REALLY BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY. 😢
there a x Jehovah witnesses that Believe what they say no difference!
I asked a JW who made the religion? Charles Russell or Jesus? He said Jesus… fool😂😂😂😂😂
@@sbrightpink 1 Corinthians 3:11 lay a foundation does not mean organization!
Thanks, Llyod, you have a fantastic channel and the work that you do.
It staggers me that over 1000 official Christian denominations with their invisible and unheard deity from an old book that says a thing.
Just think, the god 'allegedly' created the universe and gave men from 2K+ years ago an old textbook they could not keep and certainly could not correctly understand the meaning. of.
Clearly, they could not 'interpret' the old translated written word into just one religion.
It shows me the power of childhood indoctrination before the child can think critically for themselves.
It's fascinating and it makes no difference if these two were Mormons and Muslims. Still, the same process happened when they were children.
The person has been convinced, usually when young and by family, schools, and the culture they live in that 'their' god is real.
This is usually with poor and insufficient evidence like Santa at Christmas except the adults are happy to let that bubble burst.
Children soon learn that Santa is not real whereas the particular god of your parents and their parents is kept going.
Children don't need the good and necessary evidence that an adult meeting that religion for the first time would require.
Please do tell me what you think about this.
Alice
Lloyd you look so cute with blonde hair 😍
18:08 : imagine that, he justifies his lack of money, lack of big career and suffering to the price paid for being like Jesus.
This concept of sacrificing is one of the most destructive features of JW. It leads to vicious cycle of Un-ambition and poverty.
Rae Roms,
I hardly think Jesus being crucified for causing a disturbance in a house of worship and being accused by other religious people of "heresy" is comparable to having a lack of financial or material prosperity and not having a successful career, and then using your time to devote your life to promoting a specific form of religious theology. There's a difference between sacrifice and denying yourself opportunities to learn, to improve yourself, to develop talents, to develop hobbies or to forge a successful job or career path because it conflicts with your religion's demands and expectations of you.
@@b.w.7588What about the expectations in Matthew 19:21 and Luke 18:22? Apart from excellent examples of the Bible authors plagiarising each other, it seems like a unambiguous example of how Jesus endorsed sacrifice, that was directly the consequence of self imposed poverty and anti-materialistic objectives. Not to mention all the grotesque stuff about disowning your family follow him instead. Throw away your family, friends and worldly possessions and follow me. Isn't that right?
@@b.w.7588 The bible is a jewish book, by the jews and for the jews. It’s unfortunate that the average person cant build our own life with the science and ideas of out time, but must first be indoctrinated about some smart Jewish rebellious dude who lived and died 2000 years ago.
@@skepticusmaximus184 yea. For early Christians they were quite suicidal about their beliefs. They would rather be killed than stop believing. Very similar to the religious fanatics of “IsWam”😉
We are modern people, lets see the bible as what it is, a jewish book. Doesn’t concern anyone
Such an appealing offer lol
WTH
How is it relevant whether the JW preacher believed in evolution or not?! Evolution does not disprove the existence of a creator, even Richard Dawkins admitted that.
ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, and FANATICS OF RELIGIONS
VS.
the CREATOR and HIS CHRIST
Arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless Atheists, Agnostics, Christians, Buddhists Muslims, Hindus, and fanatics of all Religions in the world who are freely and openly insulting and degrading -
1. the Creator as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth
3. the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless
are the shameless, worthless, and useless human beings on earth who KNOW and are fully aware that their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the authorities, will, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ will bring them dishonor, shame, disgrace, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
The CREATOR and HIS CHRIST
VS.
SATAN'S ATHEISM, AGNOSTICISM, and RELIGIOUS FANATICISM
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teaching about the "Kingdom of God" is the Creator's Rulership through him that will destroy and put an end to all the Satanic arrogance, hatred, lies, deceptions, hypocrisies, and cruelties of Satan's Atheism, Agnosticism, and Religious Fanaticism and ensures planet earth is safe, secure, and peaceful for all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings who will live and exist on it forever without sufferings, pains, griefs, miseries, sickness, and deaths.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead" is the Creator's guarantee that all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, his disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life in the Creator's own right time so that all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
JWs don’t accept some facts of natural phenomena like evolution, Too many people equate understanding facts of nature with atheism.
They're talking to a group of people who literally wrote a book called 'Evolution or Creation'. It's a relevant topic, no?
Evolution does disprove the god of the bible if you take a fundamentalist view - which JW's do.
"I thought about university and big things"...
This is so foreign to me that people just stop learning.
"The bible encourages learning" then fucking go do it.
But no, for some reason all of JW I ever met(around 10+) were nit only without a will for higher education, they barely passed the basic school education.
Idk its just so foreign to me that people think they know something about the world without talking to actual experts about that.
*Im personally without higher education yet because life circumstances, but looking forward on getting into Manitoba University next year for a computer science programm, and I got high level school degree and a practical engineer degree in software engineering, so im not an expert but at least im not without it
It was hard to hear what the JW man at the cart was saying, so I did tune out a bit. As for praying for God to reveal Himself to you, is that not engaging in confirmation bias to an extent? If you pray to God to show that JW doctrine is true? Aren't you then looking for confirmation of what you already want and have presumed to be true?
😢
Never ask a JW a straight question unless willing to get a gobledigook answer 😂
so what would that answer be?
JW cult refuse blood , including on behalf of children , shun people who don’t obey their rules , deny freedom of information , do not tolerate homosexuals, , etc. Is that not the truth ?
Evolution pre-supposes the existence of life, it does not explain how life came into existence in the first place.
Abiogenesis is the science explains how life came from chemicals. Scientists consider it to be a fact even though they don’t have all of the steps in place. Evolution only explains how life diversified after it formed.
12:48: interesting that he didn’t believe in God initially. It took him 2 years of convincing himself to become a JW. “He tried to find what’s wrong”.
Conclusion: We all start out sans belief in God, as atheist, then get indoctrinated.
Rae Roms,
I'm an atheist myself, and I don't know if I buy into the "all babies are atheists" argument, but I don't think people are born with a belief in a specific religious ideology.
I’m finding it hard to understand what the guy is saying. It’s like he’s got a something in his mouth
Yea! His native tongue!
Can the outside world have prejudice towards the JWs? Yes, but aren't JWs also being capable of being prejudiced towards others? Are JWs unbiased when it comes to discussing issues relating to the identities or social concerns of the LGBT community? Are JWs unbiased in their opinions when it comes to examining the beliefs and practices of any non-JW religious group? Is the Watchtower Society completely unbiased in their attitudes towards lifelong non-Witnesses or in regard to apostates? Are the Society's attitudes towards blood transfusions or other medical procedures involving the use of blood entirely free from bias? I admit that I have my biases over all kinds of things. I'm not free from bias or prejudice as much I might try not to be, but I can at least admit it and own up to it, and a JW isn't allowed to admit to having prejudices or biases in when it comes to their religion or views that contradict their religion. When one is a baptized Witness, or even if they're an unbaptized Witness, they can be punished for looking at information that disagrees with their religious beliefs or with the Watchtower Society's prescribed interpretation of the Bible.
They're told that if they do this, they risk losing both their religious community and are threatened with future punishment meted out to them by God, which their religious community tells them will result in the definite loss of their eternal salvation. I don't have anyone to tell me that I will be punished for looking at information that disagrees with or conflicts with my current views or values. I don't have to risk losing my religious community or my eternal salvation (I don't belong to a religious community, and I don't believe in an afterlife, so therefore I don't believe in eternal salvation). My ability to inquire isn't impeded upon established doctrine, and I'm rather glad of that. Freedom of inquiry is important to me.
Did you know that even though I am an atheist, I think some rules in the Bible aren't so bad, but then there are other rules in that book that I don't have a favorable opinion of. I'm cherry-picking, yes, but I can at least admit to it, and I don't see anything wrong with cherry-picking that book. For me, it's selective reading.
The real, existing, and raging battle to the death on earth is not Atheists VS. Theists, but this -
The love, kindness, goodness, compassions, favors, blessings, and authorities of the Creator and his Christ
VS.
the arrogance, hatred, lies, deceptions, hypocrisies, and cruelties of Religions, Atheists, and Agnostics
PROOF THAT ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, and FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE ON EARTH
Atheists, Agnostics, JWs, Born Agains, Catholics, Mormons, SDAs, Baptists, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all Religions in the world who are filling the world with the lies and false teachings of the enemies of Jesus Christ about "Armageddon", "Trinity", "heaven and hellfire", "rapture", and "reincarnation" while insulting and degrading the Creator too as worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Most High and Sovereign God are the liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, hateful, cruel, and merciless persons on earth who are enjoying their lives, not bothered and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the authorities, will, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ bring them their own disgrace, dishonor, downfall, shameful and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever.
PROOF THAT THE CREATOR and HIS CHRIST CARE ABOUT THE LIVES, DIGNITIES, WELFARE, and EXISTENCE OF HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH
Jesus Christ KNOWS that all imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who submit to his authority and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are the loving, kind, caring, and respectful persons on earth who are definitely bringing upon themselves the Creator's favor, honor, and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and deaths on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless persons, without liars, deceivers, slanderers, hypocrites, terrorists, and murderers.
Jesus Christ KNOWS that his teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead" is the Creator's guarantee that all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, his disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life in the Creator's own right time so that all loving, kind, caring, and respectful human beings can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
8a.m. to 8p.m.......what a complete waste of time!!!!
I feel like birth is the start of good over evil. God sends you to earth as in a form of a birth and depending on how you live your life depends on the longevity of your life. Live a hard life and commit evil Armageddon is coming for you. Life a good life and you will live as good as you need too. It not a belief for me its just thoughts.
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Respectfully, that sounds pretty bonkers. The concept that god sends you to earth is as close to their being a stork that delivers babies as I've ever heard. I don't know if it's been explained, but when a man and a woman...blippity blap and make a baby, it is ENTIRELY a biological process. The same process works for cows and monkeys. Sperm, egg, cells. I think that nullifies the notion that god "sends you to earth".
Using your theory, I would love for you to explain childhood cancer and countless defects at birth if these beings had only just been sent to earth and have not even had the opportunity to prove what kind of hard or good life they would lead.
So kids who get cancer and die at 6 must be real assholes then eh?
So so so sad people are brainwashed and spend their time wasted on doing the Devils work
That's a good thing! The devil is the good guy in the story
Do not cast your Pearl's before the Swine.this guy is mocking what Jehovah has promised.This guy is just trying to argue and he doesnt even have a backup.just Quite it's sad that he wants to argue.
Evolution is a fact of nature . JWs lie when they tell people it isn’t .
Stop gas lighting your wife!
You keep posting this over and over again. No one cares. Time to move on and get a new hobby.
1. I suspect that you don't know exactly what Lloyd's personal relationships are like, because, I presume, you aren't a fly on the wall.
2. Were you asked to advocate for a grown woman, who is sound of mind and body? What business is this of yours?
3. Are you an ex-JW perhaps? Because I have noticed that disrespecting
personal boundaries, jumping to conclusions, and instantly judging, are difficult learned behavioural habits that are ingrained and difficult for some ex-JWs to change.
Stop using the word gaslighting incorrectly
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