Swiss Guard Commits Double Homicide at Vatican City | Massive Conspiracy or Narcissism?
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2022
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Swiss Guard Murders at the Vatican in 1998?
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I was visiting the Vatican when this happened. to say it was a surprise is an understatement. I think it's easy to forget that behind these colorful uniforms are men who are just as fragile and as human as the rest of us. great job with the analysis, Dr. Grande!
Young dude was trying to get in on some of that model action, methinks.
@@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717 It is as plausible as any other theory, I suppose. Surprised there's no mention of any attempts at an affair or anything similar.
Wish there was more info.
fragile ? try deceptive, deviant and criminal. That would be the history of that institution, well hidden in their archives. They need to pay taxes.
Yes fragile.....The overarching tendancy we have to live in denial and rationalize anything... nomatter who.
Amen Shelly 🙏 . And the devil never sleeps . He’s always on the prowl . Prayers continue for the mystical body of Christ
My Italian grandmother gave me a recipe that included shortening the size of a pigeon egg. I think it must have been a normal measurement comparison in the region.
The witty mention of the DMV and waiting in line brought back memories of the massive lines waiting to get into the Vatican and St. Peters Cathedral. Traveler tip; buy your Vatican tickets online and have priority. I was able to see the Sistine Chapel with just a handful of others around. Also, get to St. Peters before it opens, before dawn and wait with the nuns and priests on pilgrimage. I stood before Michelangelo's Pieta for several minutes by myself. I'm not even Catholic and it was magnificent. Later in the day the line was six people deep for blocks.
Best advice! Thank you!
Also...if you get in line really early...head straight to the chapel and bypass everything else. You'll be in there alone and can go back and see the other stuff later.
I was blessed to visit the Vatican in the early 70s. I was an adolescent. I love history and art and more than anything Jesus. I too stood in front of La Pieta and I got emotional looking at the reminder of Jesus' death. I also got to see the Sistine Chapel before it was restored; the colors were darker and richer. I haven't been back but I have seen pics of the Sistine Chapel after the restoration and they are bright but I liked it the "natural" way.
@@thespia Yes we did this as well ... however, I was also interested in a spending time with the Raphael frescoes ... The School of Athens/ Socrates stanzia and wished I'd spent just a few more moments there before darting off to the Sistine Chapel. I tried to go back but, it was packed and impossible to move against the flow. Nevertheless, an indelible experience. In the Sistine Chapel I did have some audio explanation and was able to experience it all the more. I thought I might have been distracting. .
@@kepigal Yes Michelangelo's work is so moving. I have a theory that there are simply centuries of appreciation imbued right into the marble. The David was glowing and took my breath away. I have a friend who couldn't find her sports fan husband and found him sitting and crying softly by Michelangelo's unfinished work near the David. I read the Agony and the Ecstasy before visiting these places. Really brought it to life.
Without all the intriguing backstory, one could conclude that it was a love-triangle murder/suicide.
“The line of DMV is short” cracks me up🤣 thank you Dr. Grande.
I live in Switzerland and I remember where I was when this happened. I had read at lunchtime a piece in a Swiss newspaper congratulating Mr. Estermann on his becoming commander of the Swiss Guard and in the same evening he and his wife were already dead. It was simply unbelievable.
The more I watch your show the more I realize just how dangerous Narcissists can become if they don't learn to control their inflated ego.
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I think the warning signs of narcissism should be drilled into every child by parents, schools, and media with the same level of urgency as stranger danger.
Yeah. Dr. Grande is out of control.
It's painful when your parent is one.
@@carolharris2357 Yes it is.
"It's definitely not camouflage..." Unless you are planning on hiding in a giant jar of boiled sweets.
Also, stop pretending that you don't know how big a pigeon egg is. you've already been told it's about the size of the tumor in Lance Corporal Tourney's brain.
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*Q:* Why did the elephant paint his toenails red?
*A:* To hide in the strawberry patch.
*Q:* Ever seen an elephant in a strawberry patch?
*A:* No.
Great camouflage then ain't it?
Thank you Dr Grande . I thought the Swiss guards were only there for show. What a tragic situation . I'm Catholic and didn't know this event. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis , and sad outcome . Informative topic .
Hello dear. Hope all is well. Up from sleeping here, back to bed soon. 🤗to you, Noah, the family 👪❤💛💐🌃
@@zenawarrior7442 Hello my lovely friend, everything is going good . Can you believe Noah is three months old . Hope all is well with you. . Miss you 😚❤💙💙
Nah, they are full time bodyguards, though they also function as picture motif for tourists
People stay only catholic for as long they do no know what is covered up. In Ireland alone the crimes against children numbered in the tenthousands as official investigation stated. This was covered up by the church before. This is one of many countries where crimes against children were covered up by members of that organisation.
@@cottontails9003 Glad all is well. I am ok, staying busy. Always great to message. Miss you too🥰💚💜💚🕊🌷🌷🌵🌵🍬and yes 3 months wow!!👶💌
The cyst near his brain likely influenced how he reacted to the social stressors he was confronted with. The cyst could also be a complete coincidence though.
The cyst could also be a complete fabrication, just like many of the lies told by the Catholic, (and others) Church.
Hmmm, I wonder🤔
Reminds me of the UT tower shooter case.
I am not a neurosurgeon however I imagine they would know if a cyst could alter ones behavior. At least on a neurological sense, Not on a psychological thought.
True, true. He could have just been emotionally unstable. Or he could know something we all know nothing about.
Dr Grande has the driest sense of humor! The tie dye apocalypse??? Pigeon eggs??? The man is inteligent and hilarious, keep it up!!!
Drier than the Sahara desert. 😅
He's the best Psychiatrist Dr online, or only, his only presence can disqualify any other who tries.
As many academics he is not much on the side of alternative methods like with Teal Swan, Asian Mind Slayers where Hypnosis and most of analysis comes from but he is still the best and only of his kind.
HG Tudor is another level of course, both work for us to learn also Jesus Enrique Rosas does his deal.
And says it all with a straight face.
@@techyall I learned yesterday HG is no longer on RUclips. Love the BLG too.
Tie dye apocalypse got me as well, lol!!
Again, hysterical....I almost lost it with the tie-dyed reference off the top. I also appreciate how you weave your stories so we, your humble audience, are lead to understand your surmise of the situation.
Needless to say (again) all of which packaged in a witty yet not exploitive fashion.
All i can continue to hope for is for each day start with a healthy dose of Grande.
God Speed!
The tie dye apocalypse and camouflage comment had me rolling. Very interesting information and case. Thanks Dr G💟💟
I lived in several (albeit non-Italian-speaking) countries in Europe for awhile and I can attest that mentioning pigeon's eggs in reference to size is not unusual here. I never noticed that it's an unusual thing, but now that you mention it, I notice that it might be a cultural peculiarity.
There's plenty of pigeons in American cities.
Very true.
Same size as a thrushes egg ?
I also figured that it was a cultural habit, like how Americans reference "golf ball sized hail." It just becomes accepted because most people can picture it. Apparently, most people in Europe know the approximate size of a pigeon egg.
@@christopherg9806 the "flying rats" are an ubiquitous feature of every European landscape in my experience... far more than in the US, where the climate isn't ideal for them in many places. So it makes sense that Europeans would be more familiar with them than someone from, say, Colorado or Nevada.
to be fair, as a swiss person, i know the kind of people who want to join the swiss guard and i can assure you, they already have mental health issues to begin with
@@michelleaguirre6412 it's funny because it's true.... 😂
Are the Swiss Gurds homosexuals?
I bet!
Now that’s a dumb comment ! Why ? Every country has “honor guards” to receive dignitaries, the British royal guards wither black pants and red Oates and oh the 2’ tall head cover, the Scottish highlanders are only couple of countless examples
I guess that when they want to run with their mental health issues, the cornices, statuary and onyx steps preclude a trampling of edelweiss
Dr. Grande is burning the midnight oil late into the night, just like I am. While I should be working on getting a research manuscript edited and smoothed over so I can submit it to a journal this week, I'm instead watching another episode of excellent analysis. Thanks a lot Dr. Grande! 😂
Wow an academic. What’s your research about?
Hehe...I hear ya! Done the same thing unfortunately...but I couldn't pass up on this 😂 what's your field? Mine is clinical psychology hence the entanglement with Dr. Grande 😂
Get to work jp! 😂
Same difference...🙃
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Clearly, it's about the epic tie dye wars of the mid-22nd century.
The uniforms are not camouflage unless you are guarding a circus tent.
I feel a bit conflicted giggling at a video about murder, but I love the doc's sense of humor xD
Me too❗️
Youch - I had an ex I'm pretty sure was a vulnerable narcissist. Always stressed, doggedly focused on their job and duties and really quite good at it, but somehow always a victim not being recognized for their efforts. I believed her stories and saw her as someone trying to do their best but getting unfairly rejected. When we broke up, she seemed to switch personalities and said things that were just off the rails, calling me a murderer and a drunk, and that was really the first time I started to wonder if her version of reality might be tinged with delusion.
The description of how these narcissists find enemies based on their permanent victim status, then convince themselves that anything they do is justified, suddenly made me very glad things ended when they did.
My mother was a narcissist & it seems like a lack of self-awareness and victimhood are a basic part of them, along with an inability to accept responsibility for their own actions. The victimhood stuff seems to breed paranoia.
Tornay was not happy with how they ran the swiss guard. He needed to hear the phrase "Not my monkey, not my circus."
Another interesting, clear and concise video on a topic I haven't heard of until now. Thank you Dr Grande for your coverage and well researched videos.
It was world War two they discovered the microwave auditory effect the Frey effect and people have been assaulted ever since.. victims that are gaslighted and called crazy including the whistle blowers you know the highly intelligent men and women who spoke out against the misuse of this technology.. detection and protection and protection of those harming others.. illegal mind experiments ..
Detection and protection from brain hacking equipment is crucial to out future.. it's of course a national security threat to ALL nations!.. Detection protection and prosecution is needed to stop mind assaults. Neural rights are human rights!!.. when is the law going to catch up to these crimes. These types of equipment including microchip technology IS SOLD ONLINE. As I am trying to warn the public. I get fearful more criminals will attempt to use it to harm other's...
Justice targeted individuals lives matter. Stop the abuse!..
I have short attention span, I prefer straight to the point without too much talks.
Jeez I love ya Dr Grande! Fantastic stories and process. Your humour? Mate, you're in a class all of your own! 🤣♥️
Good morning Dr. G., Tie-dye apocalypse, indeed! Your mention of Opus Dei was intriguing (a handful of Supreme Court justices are members). Thank you for an informative, yet tragic tale.
Opus Dei is a terrifying organization.
Opus Dei is an oddity unlike anything else in the Catholic Church. It tends to be a bit cult-like in places. I'm surprised it's still around. And as to laity being members, that doesn't always mean anything. My mother is a 3rd order Carmelite, yet doesn't attend any meetings and there is nothing like dues or membership fees.
I think the warning signs of narcissism should be drilled into every child by parents, schools, and media with the same level of urgency as stranger danger.
When a child is approached by a stranger, that child should scream and run-
When an adult is approached by a narcissist they should scream and run ( Same thing- no difference).
Good luck if the narcissist is your boss or a parent... (otherwise the advice is sound!!!)
"The tie-dye apocalypse." Dr. Grande, thanks for the great laughs.
Thank you Dr Grande, you are the hardest working man on RUclips , don't think I don't notice, I love and appreciate all your videos. Your dry wit is pure ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐. You really rock my world . You make. me smile and laugh . That was a brilliant analysis and topic. Thank you Dr Grande , you are really the best .
Hi CT - My turn to greet you in the comments! 😘🙋✋💙💚💛🦄💐
Some say laughter is the best medicine, so Dr G must be saving lives
@@bthomson Thank you my friend.
@@janedmunds4218 Thank you.
You have worldwide coverage Dr Grande!
Interesting and educational stuff!
1:20 My friend's dad always said weapontry instead of weaponry and was a big D&D guy, so one day I made the Weapontree. It's a magical tree like monster that has a different weapon wielded at the end of every branch.
lol
Dr. Grande, I wish you all the best in life. I can't thank you enough for producing your content on YT. They are gold.
swiss guards are armed with pistols and mp's under the dress, however, every swiss guard is somekind of special force and it is a surprise that someone with this character can pass the tests, but it happens and swiss are just humans...it is very rare for swiss to commit murder, but the swiss were once the most feared fighters for a long time (roman empire to 17th century), which is why they were recruited by the pope, greetings from switzerland
It was common that personal guards from rulers come other countries. So they are more loyal to the ruler and less likely to be influenced by local politics. They are mercenaries.
@Will Rivers animals like primates can kill out of a lot of reasons. Even a kind of war of extinction is documented.
How about a speculative analysis on the 1984 kidnapping of Jody Plauche by Jeffery Doucett? What made the case famous is the reaction of Jody’s father, Gary Plauche. Very interesting and chock full of potential mental health factors. Either way please keep up the amazing work you are doing. We all enjoy your videos regardless of the topics you choose.
Can you do the Lobster Massacre of 1976? Twelve children were slain by a man dressed as a lobster. After his arrest he claimed it was a publicity stunt and he was paid to do it by Red Lobster corporation. The company admitted he was employed to do a publicity stunt. But he was only supposed to scare the children. They said they did not furnish him with the knife, nor the butter which he had slathered onto his victims.
Psyop.
Gary Plauche is a hero and did what he had to do to get true justice.
how about analysis of mega-star AGATHA CHRISTIE 1920s disappearance & her connection to crime & crime novels
@@ryanponder679 Yeah right.
" The size of a pigeons egg " . 😁 My aunt's were from Sicily . While cooking ( in their kitchen ) a " pigeons egg " dollop of lard or butter , was a measurement . As a child they taught me , " a pigeons egg is half the size of a chickens egg " . Wow !!! The nostalgia ... 😘😊😉
Dr Grande please please do an analysis on Andrea Yates husband Rusty. I heard that he got a second wife after her and tried to put her into the same situation as Andrea, so she divorced him.
He played the biggest part in the murder of the children and wasnt held accountable, although doctors begged him to help his sick wife and not impregnate her again.
As a manager of some experience, in applying the everlasting humiliation of losing his service medal, the Commander left the Guard with nowhere to go, other than to leave what would likely have been his life's ambition. It was in effect a constructive dismissal for what appears to be a minor infraction. But what do you do if you think you're going to have to lose everything? Usually nothing. Usually...
Usually when someone is disciplined (in any organization) they are handed the punishment. Not here. This was a setup of a surprise very public humiliation with a good chance that the Guard would react in the ceremony further adding to the grief. Just that final fact makes the Commander's actions (at least) unprofessional and you can't help think that the Guard wasn't the only one with serious personal issues.
@@simonxag Good point.
Lots of people get fired and go on and get another job.
@@PInk77W1 In one workplace I knew of 2 people caught in dishonesty who were out the same day. One was fired, one allowed to resign to save face. Both were dealt with in their manager's office. Even when things got nasty and people were being pushed to resign rather than take redundancy, nobody was publicly humiliated.
Maybe it wasn't just the minor infraction. It sure looks like the young man was having an affair with the good commander's wife. In the long tradition of "don't get your pie where you get your paycheck," Maybe the whole withholding the meddle thing was just the commander getting the guard back. That's actually understandable.
Commandant Jules Repond designed the modern Swiss Army uniforms in 1914, drawing inspiration from Raphael's frescoes, including The Mass at Bolsena.
Swiss Army is not the Swiss Guard
I love your witty comments interspersed throughout your analysis. It's so interesting to me to hear your thoughts on each case you present to us. 👍🏻
You surprise me with your range of topics. I never heard of these murders. Thank you for sharing.
The "Arms Trading Deal" suggestion was mind-blowing - for the world we experience warmongering now ! Also, the custom made, formal 'dress uniform' would be part of that deal?! ;D *"It's definitely not intended as camouflage"* Read the fine print - before use! I found this case an entertaining/mystery.
I'm in a sad/grim mood, but the light cavalry attacks plaguing your area made me laugh out loud.
As they say, when you hear hoof beats look for horses, not zebras. Seems like a rather straightforward, though no less tragic, case of revenge.
The church down playing crime, what a surprise. They are constant looking away.
The tie-dye apocalypse.
Absolutely fabulous!
Please continue.
As usual very concise and interesting. Thank you for the time you take to make these analytical videos .
You make learning about Psychology interesting and fun.
I love your dry, witty sense of humor. That is why I keep watching your videos. They're informative, professional, you're clearly knowledgable and you're humorous. Your well placed levity serves to defuse any anxiety the lightweights may have. The reference to a pigeon's egg is not odd for that culture. Your assessment of the killer makes total sense. The conspiracy theories are always a plus.
Totally ON FORM, Dr G! 👏👏
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His brain tumour probably had an effect on him and played a part in his committing these killings! Wouldn't be the first time..
Very sad case, but told so well! It was like listening to a very interesting factual story, but with plenty of humor. :)
Laughed so many times! Loved the " It's definitely not designed for camouflage." And, "Maybe the Swiss Guards are actually just models, for weapons." 😅
"for light cavalry"!!!😄
It WAS darn mean and petty not to give the young man his one year service medal because he stayed out for a night!
I look forward to and enjoy learning from your videos. Thanks Dr. Grande!!
Ur sense of humor is amazing! I know these vids arent meant to be humorous but you always crack me up
Those Swiss Guard uniforms were designed by none other than Michelangelo, so even though they might not seem appropriate in a modern context, they have a pedigree that's just too impressive to forsake for modern day suits and sunglasses.
You're the only "true crime" podcast type thing I can tolerate regularly. I am one for whom such a case hit too close to home. But anyway, this channel is always respectful of all parties involved and very tasteful, so thank you.
Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
The Swiss Guard has MP5s and MP7s hidden in their uniforms along with their pistols (which I think are now Sig P320s instead of P226s).
Dr. Grande please consider making a video about a police standoff that took place during the 1990's with a person named Leslie Nelson. They are currently in prison and a police officer lost his life. The other officer on the scene ended up suing the department for not properly training them for this situation. Leslie was in the process of changing her gender. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this case because some say she was failed by a mental health professional as well as the authorities.
I've never known anyone who smoked marijuana, then killed someone. Quite the opposite, in fact: I knew a guy who was GOING to kill someone, then smoked some weed, relaxed a bit, and decided NOT to go through with his murderous plan.
As long as it's only weed he was using
It can induce psychosis in some individuals
@@hayorge27 Yeah, some substances should be avoided entirely
@@geraldfriend256 Yep. And some people shouldn't drink alcohol, like at all. Vices aren't a one-size-fits-all kind of thing, y'know?
...yet bought a pint of Häagen-Dazs Daz instead.
Once again dr. Grande you break down this whole case perfectly I applaud you❤
omg I was so happy when he said it was the size of a pigeon's egg because there are a couple pigeons that just made a nest in the little tree in front of my apartment and the other day I noticed there was an egg in the pine needles below the tree and looked up and saw the nest and put it back(Google said the thing about the scent keeping birds from returning is a myth) so I actually know how big a pigeon's egg is. And I refuse to look through these comments to see anyone else saying the same because you guys have no idea how special I feel right now.
Fun fact: Michelangelo Buonarrotti designed the swiss guard’s uniforms.
Love your videos Dr. Grande! Thank you.
Amazing video as usual.
I remember reading a book about this crime years ago. It was interesting to read about the inner workings of the Vatican.
Really good summary 🙌
The Swiss guard have 5 different uniforms , including plain clothes and combat uniforms
Hi Dr and Mrs Grande! I was looking up info on Bella Grande Media Podcast, and got to see a pic of the Mrs Grande and your cute little champagne colored dog! How very heartwarming!
Awesome work as usual :)
OMG! Dr Grande is a legend with his subtle humour 🤣
Us Tie Die Apocalypse veterans will forgive your joke because it was perfectly placed. Great video!
Dr. Grande, if you haven't done Bonnie and Clyde, there's a pair to consider. Stories still abound in North Louisiana of the two giving rides or even money to the poor, and yet there was nothing noble or romantic about some of their criminal exploits.
......." wasn't well liked. Even before the murders" cracked me up! Love your work Dr. Grande!
Before hearing the story I assumed it was going to be another love triangle. As far as being Gay in the Vatican goes, I suspect it may be more popular than we think.
Re: Telegram: How? Gmail doesn't recognize your email.
Excellent like always, are you planning to make a vídeo about Kiely Rodni? Thank you for your great analysis!
Always interesting.
Thank you.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
Dr. Grande, some of the things I enjoy about your videos are one, you provide a lot of information about your subject and two, I like your sense of humor i.e., tie-dye uniforms for Vatican Swiss Guard.
Smile Dr. Grande. You deserve it.
Love ur vids!! U should do an analysis on the Lance Armstrong doping scandal - not very current news but I still reckon ur analysis would be interesting. Hi from aus!!
Quite topical actually, Armstrong just got married!
Shocking true story. Makes me wonder why sometimes more than 2 policemen are required when they are arresting someone too. Like when a man sitting right across from me behind the driver of a bus on Sunday got arrested by 4 policemen who were carrying larger than pistols guns. They seemed to come from out of no where just before all 4 boarded the bus in a hurry after a lot of passengers including me had started wondering why the bus was sitting at a stop for so long. I sure went to the back of the bus in a hurry after they said to him, "You are under arrest".
So smart with great sense of humor - thank you!
Makes sense to me! I love your dry wit!
No way! I gotta see this. I love their outfits. Thanks, Grande, for all the great and interesting videos.
Thankyou Dr. Grande I had never heard about this....😇
Thank you Dr. Grande, your research is so thourough. I wondered what the details on this were. Seems murder was motivated by pride, or vulnerable narcissism, both of those sound similar to me. 🌵🌵🌵
Thank you for this informative video.
The outtakes for this video must be super hilarious!
I'm surprised you have to actually be Swiss to be part of the Swiss guard. It seems so common that the demonyms in the names of certain groups has nothing to do with the groups that when it isn't meaningless, it's genuinely a surprise.
It’s true. There’s a whole recruitment process that qualified applicants need to follow. The Swiss guards date back to a time when mercenaries was one of then-poor Switzerland main exports. I suppose that the terms of the 500 year old agreement have been many times updated, but the basic deal remains the same. I believe it’s the only exception to the status of neutrality to which Swiss citizens are bound. No Swiss person can actively hold arms on behalf of another state without going to prison upon their return to Switzerland.
Tradition is tradition, it has an unique value and sacred beauty of its own for a reason, a singular truth and part in history those who made it know better. Such traditions bring multiple qualities in the diversity of human nature, animals and plants.
Demonym…..word of the day👍
Been Watching Dr Grande for more then a Month now. Love The Content. I just now noticed all the Cactus in the background.
If Dr. Grande ever opens a video like "I AM diagnosing someone, and I am NOT speculating", I think I would be filled with immeasurable dread for reasons I will never understand.
Here in Mexico we have various famous cases that are worth an analysis. Paulette, la Mata Viejitas, Cumbres murders in Nuevo Leon, Mijangos case and at least two canibalism cases. It would be nice if you could look into those.
Hello Dr. Grande.... always nice to see you..... I always thought that was quite a private place with a lot of secrets......some not so nice. Thank you for your great analysis and humor and you never loose your good looks. 🙋🇺🇸🌹🌹
Great analysis.
Your off the cuff knowledge of vehicle specs is impressive for a psychologist.
Their outfit is interesting despite the tragedy that took place.
I love that you drop some humour while discussing difficult topics such as loss of life.
Dr. G, Much love!
Dr Grande, can you do identical twins and their mental identities or non-mental identities.
Hi Doc👋. Soon you got 1.2 million subs😀. You are Doing just fine. Great job👍
Sir , I love your sense of humour .
Gotta love that dry as a popcorn fart humor. Line at the DMV bit was GOLD!
Very interesting, I never heard of this case .!
OMG, Doc ! ..... your jokes....the timing ...the delivery ........