This is a great example to show councillors and traffic designers here in the UK how it should be done. If you guys can find room for cycle paths, in one of the world's most densely populated countries, then anyone can. Thanks.
All cities around the world should encourage bicycle transportation by providing protected bike lanes. It is much safer for children and older adults. Bicycles make life and cities better. Fossil fuels free transportation. Bicycles are another way to fight the Climate Crisis.
@@jeffreykaufmann2867 Older adults are coming back to cycling. Ebikes make those hill climbs so easy.. We all need daily exercise to get and stay healthy.
I can hear his breathing though? He's putting in a bit of effort but he's mostly breathing through his nose. I can even hear when he opens his mouth to take a few deeper breaths.
The Grote Markt in Groningen is amazing, frequently hosting spectacular events. A live webcam shows the activities. It's interesting to observe the interaction of pedestrians and cyclists in very close proximity with forklifts, trucks and other heavy equipment. Everyone seems oblivious to the possibility that danger might exist.
Oblivious? I doubt that, just, they tend to have a pretty accurate picture where to go and what possible escape routes they can take. Basically low speeds gives time to react.
Hahah (im from groningen myself) but i cant help to find it so funny that people are actually impressed by the way your biking! Considdering that i dont even touch my steeringwheel at all (exapt for when i have to stop) amazing how many bikers we have and i really like your channel hahah keep it up👌
When you've eliminated all but local traffic on your streets you don't really need complex protected cycle paths. North america still doesn't quite get this. They try to mix bikes and cars where car traffic is too heavy, they put protected lanes on slow low-volume streets, they protect cycle paths but then do nothing at intersections, and they refuse to even consider making city centres local-traffic only.
I would like something like those on one of bicycle way here in Tartu, Estonia.. Or maybe something less extreme. Just something, that would remind me, that there's a children playground behind bushes and I should slow down. I sometime have forgotten it and then it have been scary, when kid rode out from behind pushes.. And I realize my speed is too high.. But after a while it seems it has got in my hard scull already. It seems I usually remember to slow down on time.. But still, I think speed pumps can be good things.
@@ddrhazy No, they should ban the 25 km/h mopeds which are the ones allowed on the bicycle roads. And they should allow the 45 km/h mopeds to go 60 km/h at least.
It's a city of 200.000 people. It's not the countryside. It starts at a university campus build in the 1980's, and goes through a 1960's build up area, through a 1700's build up area, through the old medival city centre.
Maybe you want to read this bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2019/08/14/a-groningen-ride-university-centre/ The link to this explanation is in the description, maybe next time you can find yourself. You're welcome.
My main transportation here in Germany is my Rennrad (Road bike), but I don't remember having a single road bike back where I came from (Bahrain). I even travel between cities with my bike .. I don't think I'm ever going back to driving cars ..
@@PGraveDigger1 I don't mind that but the issue is anti social teenagers racing at full speed causing a hazard for cyclists. Police give tickets to car drivers but rarely to scooter drivers
@@YurimoHikashi how are they unsocial by riding scooters I ride motorcycles and I'm not unsocial I go 80mph normally on every road but I'm not unsocial just got places to go
@@YurimoHikashi "Police give tickets to car drivers but rarely to scooter drivers" Not where I live. Over here they get about as much attention from the police as car drivers. For me personally, I mind the cyclists that are too slow. It is not safe to ride with three or four bikes next to eachother at 5 km/h, but I see that a lot around here, mostly from teenagers.
depends on which bike path. within build up areas, only the 25 km/h max mopeds (helmetless) are allowed on the bike paths. the 45 km/h ones have to stay on regular roads. Outside build up areas, where the road speed is increased from 30 or 50 km/h to 80 km/h, the 45 km/h also have to go on the bicycle paths.
I am all too familiar with this 'route' and it does not feel like an official route at all. But they wanted cyclists off the Zonnelaan/Prinsesseweg for some reason, despite that road having perfectly nice, separated bicycle lanes going in a straight line from close to the city center directly to Zernike. Now, the official 'route' is just a bunch of inner streets not designed for 'just passing' traffic. It's a perfect shortcut route for people familiar with the city, but if you're new to the city or not the explory kind of person, it's an ugly, unfriendly and complicated route.
1) It's an open space, everyone can see what's coming 2) Drivers have eyes 3) Children know not to run into the road (as you see, he stopped just before the road).
You know every time when some video talks about how children are made aware of the traffic stuation from a young age in The Netherlands? Well, this is what that looks like in practice. The kid knows exactly what and what not to do there.
It's complicated. It depends what kind of moped you're driving. A light moped has a maximum speed of 25kph and does not require wearing a helmet. They must use obligatory bike paths. (There are also optional bike paths. They are for bicycles only) A heavier moped (that includes scooters) has a higher maximum speed and requires a helmet. Within city limits, they are not allowed on normal bike paths but on bike/moped paths. Otherwise, they have to use the road. Outside of city limits though, they have to use the bike path again. The problem is speed difference. If you allow scooters on bike paths, it endangers cyclists because the scooters go much faster. Outside of city limits, cars go a lot faster, so then scooters would be endangered if on the road. There is discussion about where to put them. Some cities are experimenting with forcing them to use the road. There might be a new law soon. Personally, I wouldn't mind if scooters disappeared entirely.
@@Grimlock1979 yes, the small ones are the electric ones, rigbt? Even whe they do go quite slow, still people driving them tend not to respect cyclists, they don't behave like cyclists, just because they are not! So I don't think they should share the space with us cyclists, at least in the city's. Outside the city, with car traffic going faster and less bycicle traffic on the bike paths, I agree we can share the space. I go often to the netherlands and I most annoyed by the scooters, I must admit. Like you, I would rather ban them!!! Just like cars, only transport/logistics/working vehicles and public transport. Inside the cities. But that's not going to happend, right? Cheers!
Hij schreef dat dit half juni was, dus ik denk dat er een promotie was geweest. of misschien een receptie van een promotie, want je ziet een hele lading op de Grote Markt lopen.
Saludos a Hermosillo! En 1967 vivía un mes en Hermosillo como intercambio estudiantil; veo que la calle n que me quedaba ha cambiado su nombre y ahora se llama "Calle Profesor Horacio Soria Larrea". Que sorpresa! Vivía con ésta familia durante la mes (y el hijo del profesor Soria [Marco] quedaba con nosotros un mes antes en California). Una ciudad simpática ☺
Seems impatient drivers are a problem everywhere in the world. Just a little less in the Netherlands compared to the US. BTW, on a couple roads it sounds like you have a lose but on your bike.
I read your blog post. I am still disappointed. Priority should be on the university. And being Dutch it should be on bicycles. Especially as an example for foreign students (and visitors).
Yeah, I also didn't understand he filmed real life and not a Facebook version. 'It looks better'..... really??? That's your primal thought you want to share?
@@areek7643 when there's not roadworks and diversions for cyclists, the road is a lot smoother and faster. This was in the summer when most roadworks are done so as to not inconvenience regular commuters. Most of the route is only temporarily, for the duration of the roadworks on the main road. The whole bit across the parkinglot of the crematorium for example, with the rough bricks and cobbles, is not part of the regular cycling route. it's a diversion route because of roadworks.
Dutch people think that the Dutch cycles so much because the Netherlands are flat. Last I saw a documentary on RUclips about an Appalachian mining town. A lot of bikes there in the mountains. It was nice to see a group of men hanging out together and one of them is repairing his tire.
That is good reason to ride a bike though. You could easily ride a few km untrained when it's flat. where the argument is actually flawed is that they don't seem to realise that al lot of big cities around the world are pretty flat. For example, New York is massive and flat, no excuse to not ride a bike.
I used to live very close to where the video starts in the first appartment building. This place is way ghetto. A whole bunch of dealers live in the buildings there. Crackheads coming in and out. Glad i moved away!
I used to live there too (well, not in that flat but the one behind it) and didn't experience any such thing. It was a good place with cheap rent, with normal students living there, though many internationals. Perhaps seeing not so rich / not so white people triggered your imagination?
@@Zooz. uuuh no bro the dealers above me had some sort of routine where they would send their new customers to my apartment first and then when they heard me explaining it to them when they rang my door they would be like pst pst up here. That was about 5 times till i yelled up stop doing that and then they stopped. Later i on several occasions saw these same ppl in the elevator dragging shit with them in shopping bags looking cracked out of their skull. That same dealer later threatened me in front of the building. Later i myself got hooked on all sorts of hard drugs bc i met a different dealer living in the same building and my life spiraled out of control and then u moved. For the rest it was a bunch of gangsters living there. One guy i had met in the building saw me walking home down that avenue a couple times and stopped and offeres to drive me the last part. He would then do crazy ass drift stunts (this was in the middle of the night) while laughing maniacly. That guy was cool tho. But (once again) he had just gotten out of prison. Another thing i can think of, once i saw a colleague of mine who i didnt talk to a lot in the lobby. I was like do you live here too? And he was like i dont live in this dump but turns out his younger sister did and she was having a drug induced fit where she tore her whole house up etc. And they were taking her somewhere. Oh yeah and offcourse the repeated fires that caused us all to get evacuated from the building. I highly suspect these were bc of ppl growing weed but i can not confirm this. And mind you this is just shit i happened to see in the lobby elevator. So it has to be a small percentage of shit that went down. Plus when i was drug addicted i saw many more things i do not want to talk about.
This is a great example to show councillors and traffic designers here in the UK how it should be done. If you guys can find room for cycle paths, in one of the world's most densely populated countries, then anyone can. Thanks.
All cities around the world should encourage bicycle transportation by providing protected bike lanes.
It is much safer for children and older adults. Bicycles make life and cities better.
Fossil fuels free transportation. Bicycles are another way to fight the Climate Crisis.
@OAT351 Voting matters. Elect people that support bicycle infrastructure.
not all cities are flat though. I live in a place with very very steep hills. so cycling isn't a viable mode of transportation.
@@doramason Electric bicycles make hills a dream. They are no problem. Ebikes are bringing many older adults back to cycling.
@@KJSvitko In Canada and the U.S once a teenager gets a driver's license (16-18 years old) their bicycles are collecting dust in the Garage.
@@jeffreykaufmann2867 Older adults are coming back to cycling. Ebikes make those hill climbs so easy.. We all need daily exercise to get and stay healthy.
It' s amazing to see how smoothly you can bike through the streets without being crashed.
Your audio is amazing and you can hear every sound in detail. But I can't hear your breathing. You're in great shape.
I can hear his breathing though? He's putting in a bit of effort but he's mostly breathing through his nose. I can even hear when he opens his mouth to take a few deeper breaths.
The Grote Markt in Groningen is amazing, frequently hosting spectacular events. A live webcam shows the activities. It's interesting to observe the interaction of pedestrians and cyclists in very close proximity with forklifts, trucks and other heavy equipment. Everyone seems oblivious to the possibility that danger might exist.
Oblivious? I doubt that, just, they tend to have a pretty accurate picture where to go and what possible escape routes they can take. Basically low speeds gives time to react.
Oblivious not quite the right word. Aware but not frightened perhaps...
Thank you so much for taking us along!
Pretty amazing to ride one handed filming for 15 minutes negotiating all those twists and turns.
That's actually pretty easy I've rode one handed for 1 hour because my other hand was broken
actually go trough the whole city without even touching the handle bars
Scooters are a menace.
Only the electric ones, you can't hear them coming.
My daily route, they have changed the part in the beginning of the video. Zernike Campus is trying to upgrade it's route
Great! I been reaching out to county engineers regarding safer bike lanes... it will take us a while here in the US but we will get there!
I used to study there, work there, recognize this so well :)
Hahah (im from groningen myself) but i cant help to find it so funny that people are actually impressed by the way your biking! Considdering that i dont even touch my steeringwheel at all (exapt for when i have to stop) amazing how many bikers we have and i really like your channel hahah keep it up👌
(I don't try to offend anyone in any situation right here)
"Exapt"? Bedoel je niet "except"?
Sorry hoor, kon het niet laten.
Without hands, without teeth 😊
@@Jo_Kuiper ik ben beter in fietsen dan engels😂 maar je hebt gelijk👌
Just noticed your shadow at 4:50. Do you hold up the camera by hand for all your rides?
The most beeping horns I think I have ever heard in one of your videos :)
Toch maar naar de dokter na de Zereknie route.
When you've eliminated all but local traffic on your streets you don't really need complex protected cycle paths. North america still doesn't quite get this. They try to mix bikes and cars where car traffic is too heavy, they put protected lanes on slow low-volume streets, they protect cycle paths but then do nothing at intersections, and they refuse to even consider making city centres local-traffic only.
Politics bugger the USA. A real shame. Why don't the bureaucrats look at why it works so well in the Netherlands?! The mind boggles!
Are those speed bumps for cyclists at 4:44?
no, they're for mopeds etc.
I would like something like those on one of bicycle way here in Tartu, Estonia.. Or maybe something less extreme. Just something, that would remind me, that there's a children playground behind bushes and I should slow down. I sometime have forgotten it and then it have been scary, when kid rode out from behind pushes.. And I realize my speed is too high.. But after a while it seems it has got in my hard scull already. It seems I usually remember to slow down on time.. But still, I think speed pumps can be good things.
Pity about the motorbikes
Agreed. Netherlands should ban all new internal combustion engine mopeds from being sold. Electric mopeds might be ok.
@@ddrhazy No, they should ban the 25 km/h mopeds which are the ones allowed on the bicycle roads. And they should allow the 45 km/h mopeds to go 60 km/h at least.
Lovely country greenery.
It's a city of 200.000 people. It's not the countryside. It starts at a university campus build in the 1980's, and goes through a 1960's build up area, through a 1700's build up area, through the old medival city centre.
@@weerwolfproductions I realize it’s a city. Green city then.
This is modified due to construction, correct?
Maybe you want to read this bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2019/08/14/a-groningen-ride-university-centre/
The link to this explanation is in the description, maybe next time you can find yourself. You're welcome.
Yeah, they changed it a little bit near the Zernike itself because they are building a new school there
Therapeutic viewing 👍
Still, would prefer if scooters and motorbikes stuck to the roads instead of the red paved cycleways.
My main transportation here in Germany is my Rennrad (Road bike), but I don't remember having a single road bike back where I came from (Bahrain). I even travel between cities with my bike .. I don't think I'm ever going back to driving cars ..
In certain areas scooters by law have to ride on the cycle paths. It's a combination cycle/scooterpath at those stretches of road.
@@PGraveDigger1 I don't mind that but the issue is anti social teenagers racing at full speed causing a hazard for cyclists.
Police give tickets to car drivers but rarely to scooter drivers
@@YurimoHikashi how are they unsocial by riding scooters I ride motorcycles and I'm not unsocial I go 80mph normally on every road but I'm not unsocial just got places to go
@@YurimoHikashi "Police give tickets to car drivers but rarely to scooter drivers"
Not where I live. Over here they get about as much attention from the police as car drivers.
For me personally, I mind the cyclists that are too slow. It is not safe to ride with three or four bikes next to eachother at 5 km/h, but I see that a lot around here, mostly from teenagers.
Surprised there are so many cars
What happened in 07:31?
Probably the delivery moped that passes some seconds later, beeping its horn to announce himself to the cyclists
food delivery scooter honking?
whats the largess size motorbike thats allowed on the bike path
50cc a.k.a. 49,9cc
25kph / helmet not required/ snorfiets
45kph / helmet required / bromfiets
They’re both called moped in English, so that’s a little confusing.
thank you
@@janscooter8669 thank you
depends on which bike path. within build up areas, only the 25 km/h max mopeds (helmetless) are allowed on the bike paths. the 45 km/h ones have to stay on regular roads. Outside build up areas, where the road speed is increased from 30 or 50 km/h to 80 km/h, the 45 km/h also have to go on the bicycle paths.
I am all too familiar with this 'route' and it does not feel like an official route at all. But they wanted cyclists off the Zonnelaan/Prinsesseweg for some reason, despite that road having perfectly nice, separated bicycle lanes going in a straight line from close to the city center directly to Zernike. Now, the official 'route' is just a bunch of inner streets not designed for 'just passing' traffic. It's a perfect shortcut route for people familiar with the city, but if you're new to the city or not the explory kind of person, it's an ugly, unfriendly and complicated route.
How are parent like at 00:07 ok with their child running towards a road? Don't they have a sense of danger?
1) It's an open space, everyone can see what's coming
2) Drivers have eyes
3) Children know not to run into the road (as you see, he stopped just before the road).
You know every time when some video talks about how children are made aware of the traffic stuation from a young age in The Netherlands? Well, this is what that looks like in practice. The kid knows exactly what and what not to do there.
Cool Video! What gear do you use for filming? Do you use a gimbal for stabilization?
Just found all the answers in your blog post! 😀 Keep up the good work!
I've one question BicycleDutch, why are scooters allowed on cycle paths? They're quite dangerous for cyclists.
Great video!
It's complicated. It depends what kind of moped you're driving. A light moped has a maximum speed of 25kph and does not require wearing a helmet. They must use obligatory bike paths. (There are also optional bike paths. They are for bicycles only)
A heavier moped (that includes scooters) has a higher maximum speed and requires a helmet. Within city limits, they are not allowed on normal bike paths but on bike/moped paths. Otherwise, they have to use the road. Outside of city limits though, they have to use the bike path again.
The problem is speed difference. If you allow scooters on bike paths, it endangers cyclists because the scooters go much faster. Outside of city limits, cars go a lot faster, so then scooters would be endangered if on the road.
There is discussion about where to put them. Some cities are experimenting with forcing them to use the road. There might be a new law soon.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if scooters disappeared entirely.
@@Grimlock1979 yes, the small ones are the electric ones, rigbt? Even whe they do go quite slow, still people driving them tend not to respect cyclists, they don't behave like cyclists, just because they are not! So I don't think they should share the space with us cyclists, at least in the city's. Outside the city, with car traffic going faster and less bycicle traffic on the bike paths, I agree we can share the space. I go often to the netherlands and I most annoyed by the scooters, I must admit. Like you, I would rather ban them!!! Just like cars, only transport/logistics/working vehicles and public transport. Inside the cities. But that's not going to happend, right? Cheers!
Was dit de opening van het academisch jaar? Ik zag wat professoren in toga lopen.
Hij schreef dat dit half juni was, dus ik denk dat er een promotie was geweest. of misschien een receptie van een promotie, want je ziet een hele lading op de Grote Markt lopen.
@@Erik-ou3tl Je hebt ongetwijfeld gelijk, dank je wel.
The trick is to drive this same route without stopping
Groningen is awesome!
13 agosto martes 2019 visto HERMOSILLO SONORA MEXICO 4:41 PM MUCHO CALOR 45 GRADOS CENTIGRADOS
Saludos a Hermosillo! En 1967 vivía un mes en Hermosillo como intercambio estudiantil; veo que la calle n que me quedaba ha cambiado su nombre y ahora se llama "Calle Profesor Horacio Soria Larrea". Que sorpresa! Vivía con ésta familia durante la mes (y el hijo del profesor Soria [Marco] quedaba con nosotros un mes antes en California). Una ciudad simpática ☺
Mooie route! Maar pas op voor handhavers ;)
Gefilmd twee weken voordat het verbod inging.
Je maakt wel mooie stabiele beelden zo!
I live here 🤗
Seems impatient drivers are a problem everywhere in the world. Just a little less in the Netherlands compared to the US.
BTW, on a couple roads it sounds like you have a lose but on your bike.
That was not my bike. Rental bikes sometimes have rattling parts :-)
LOL - love the idea of a loose "but"; great typo!
I read your blog post. I am still disappointed. Priority should be on the university. And being Dutch it should be on bicycles. Especially as an example for foreign students (and visitors).
U chose a bad moment to start filming this place tbh... it looks better when they arent working on the roads everywhere..
Yeah, I also didn't understand he filmed real life and not a Facebook version.
'It looks better'..... really??? That's your primal thought you want to share?
@@areek7643 when there's not roadworks and diversions for cyclists, the road is a lot smoother and faster. This was in the summer when most roadworks are done so as to not inconvenience regular commuters. Most of the route is only temporarily, for the duration of the roadworks on the main road. The whole bit across the parkinglot of the crematorium for example, with the rough bricks and cobbles, is not part of the regular cycling route. it's a diversion route because of roadworks.
People, why don’t you anyone ride a monowheel? In Russia, this type of transport is gaining popularity
That's so 1990's. that's when it was a thing in The Netherlands.
Dutch people think that the Dutch cycles so much because the Netherlands are flat. Last I saw a documentary on RUclips about an Appalachian mining town. A lot of bikes there in the mountains. It was nice to see a group of men hanging out together and one of them is repairing his tire.
That is good reason to ride a bike though. You could easily ride a few km untrained when it's flat. where the argument is actually flawed is that they don't seem to realise that al lot of big cities around the world are pretty flat. For example, New York is massive and flat, no excuse to not ride a bike.
dutch bike blokker.
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Does anyone living in the Netherlands wants to adopt me? So we can peacefully live there 😂😂
I used to live very close to where the video starts in the first appartment building. This place is way ghetto. A whole bunch of dealers live in the buildings there. Crackheads coming in and out. Glad i moved away!
I used to live there too (well, not in that flat but the one behind it) and didn't experience any such thing. It was a good place with cheap rent, with normal students living there, though many internationals. Perhaps seeing not so rich / not so white people triggered your imagination?
@@Zooz. uuuh no bro the dealers above me had some sort of routine where they would send their new customers to my apartment first and then when they heard me explaining it to them when they rang my door they would be like pst pst up here. That was about 5 times till i yelled up stop doing that and then they stopped. Later i on several occasions saw these same ppl in the elevator dragging shit with them in shopping bags looking cracked out of their skull. That same dealer later threatened me in front of the building. Later i myself got hooked on all sorts of hard drugs bc i met a different dealer living in the same building and my life spiraled out of control and then u moved. For the rest it was a bunch of gangsters living there. One guy i had met in the building saw me walking home down that avenue a couple times and stopped and offeres to drive me the last part. He would then do crazy ass drift stunts (this was in the middle of the night) while laughing maniacly. That guy was cool tho. But (once again) he had just gotten out of prison. Another thing i can think of, once i saw a colleague of mine who i didnt talk to a lot in the lobby. I was like do you live here too? And he was like i dont live in this dump but turns out his younger sister did and she was having a drug induced fit where she tore her whole house up etc. And they were taking her somewhere. Oh yeah and offcourse the repeated fires that caused us all to get evacuated from the building. I highly suspect these were bc of ppl growing weed but i can not confirm this. And mind you this is just shit i happened to see in the lobby elevator. So it has to be a small percentage of shit that went down. Plus when i was drug addicted i saw many more things i do not want to talk about.
@@Zooz. there it is ladies and gentlemen, racism
Great job zoozoo