Honest Trailers Commentary | Game of Thrones Vol 3
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The writers of Honest Trailers review Game of Thrones, it’s final season, and watch their latest vid! - it’s Honest Trailers Commentary!
Hosted by Spencer Gilbert
Featuring Dan Murrell, Joe Starr, Danielle Radford & Lon Harris
Produced by Ryan O’Toole
Tech Director: Jonathon Moulton
Assistant Editor: Emin Bassavand
Just as an aside I don’t mind you guys talking over the trailer to hear the trailer cause your right I’ve seen it already. It’s more that we can’t understand you with the trailer going at the same time.
^^^ THIS. It's just sensory overload. Hearing 5 voices at once is a nightmare
Especially if English isn't your first language!
YES! EXACTLY!
If I wanted to watch the trailer I'd watch the trailer by itself. I want to hear what they have to say and I can't when the trailer is playing over them.
Agreed. I think they think it’s about hearing the trailer, it’s actually about being able to hear them. This was a bit like trying to eavesdrop on a single conversation in a crowded room.
YES!
What makes this series un-rewatchable is that on a second viewing you would really notice all of the setup that you know will never get a payoff.
People rewatch breaking bad, the wire, the sopranos and band of brothers.
No one rewatches game of thrones
Good story points don't work if they just *happen* . If Jamie was going to go back to Cerci, fine, but not in 7.3 seconds and 'because'.
Exactly! I understood the direction in doing that, not the rapid execution of it. Same goes with Dany going 3rd Reich.
D33Y4 Same with the death of the Night King
Kind of unsatisfying
I'm pretty sure "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" is going to be the new "Jar Jar is the key to all this." Or any one of the other George Lucas quotes when he made the prequels.
And speaking of Star Wars, I think it would've been a great outro in the HT if EVG said "Well, at least I still have Star Wars," then got mad when he found out D&D were helming a new SW trilogy. Or a joke about how even Rian Johnson is taking shots at the last season would've been nice.
"Everything rhymes" is my favorite Lucas' quote from the prequels.
Followed closely by,...."I think we we may have gone a bit too far" (paraphrased, from the DVD extras after they saw the first cut and realized they put in too much CGI crap)
Congratulations 😍
@@Cbricklyne that is not what was meant.
Benjamin Abramowitz Rian Johnson taking shots at season 8 is the textbook definition of “the pot calling the kettle black.”
@@arbynChief617 true but the kettle is black.
Oh, my sweet summer child, what do you know about disappointment? Disappointment is for the short night, when Jon did nothing and Arya fell a hundred feet from nowhere. Disappointment is for the characters, whose arcs are built up for years only to be instantly regressed and plot lines are born and live and die all in nothingness. That is the time for disappointment, my queen, when the White Walkers never make it past Winterfell.
Thousands of years ago, there came lazy writers that destroyed an entire series. Fans raged about no set up, payoff or logic, same as the cast members in their interviews. And parents smothered their Khaleesis rather than see them watch Season 8, and wept and felt the tears of disappointment on their cheeks.
In that darkness, the Show Runners came for the last time. They rushed through season 8 without care, leaving coffee cups and water bottles, riding off to Star Wars to “subvert more expectations”.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA that is a better writing than season 8
And seven, by the way
Melodramatic
Underrated comment😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
9:29 , there is no theory, HBO was willing to give them carte blanche
, to run the show as long as they needed, Dumb and Dumber decided themselves to shorten the last seasons.
And you think actors wanted to do 12 seasons?
this is a gross oversimplification
@@BananaJoe12345 10 seasons, yes.
Actors love working on a show. But after a while, they get tired and want to move on too.
@@BananaJoe12345 12 seasons on the biggest, most critically acclaimed show the literal world has known?
I'm mighty sure most of them would have done GoT until they retired, from staff to actors.
They stopped caring. Plain and simple. So many RUclipsrs have come up with better more logical writing for the final season then what we got.
But then the youtubers would be right, and Dan & Co. wanted to make sure nobody's right!
They didn't have to care in the end. It will be up to other people to mitigate and minimalise the extent of the damage D&D did. (HBO will do it because they want spinoff viewers; the actors will because they want work; the press will do it - eventually - because D&D's future output is under Disney; and viewers will do it because they haven't read, cared about, or understood the books.) They knew they could avoid any consequences.
I agree. They didnt have source material for season 6 and that still had some great episodes
Who cares what RUclipsrs say they are just normal people really apart from they just have time to dump there views on a free streaming service
When Lon says class is a modern concept, it isn't. If you look at Aristotle's Constitution of the Athenians, there is commentary about the common man and how they were important to the Solonic reforms which would eventually lead to the institution of democracy in the city. Plato also discussed how creating strife between the classes leads to problems in the Republic. In a more contemporaneous period with the show, peasants revolts were something rulers would be cognizant of. Plus there were Enlightened Authoritarianism after the Enlightenment, but even before that there were rulers who held absolute power that cared for the lower class dating back to the Ancient Greeks such as Peisistratus
Why would the Lords of Westeros and the council of surviving characters accept a Stark as a king AND ALSO let the Stark king give his family independence while he still ruled over everyone else? It's ridiculous.
Because no one wants to defy NSA-Bran.
@@telectronix1368 LMAO
And also who would tolerate Arya, an assassin, threatening someone on the council??? Oh right, she's a Stark. Theon's sister got shafted.
@@whodatninja439 Arya went off sailing dude
@@RedEye761 She threatened to kill Theon's sister and no one batted an eye.
I'm on Spencer's hate train.... Everyone else is in denial (Lon).
Lon watched a different show.
Jorge Chick lost me at “always on team Sansa.” Briefly behind Catelyn, she’s the worst.
Daniel’s fading out Back to the Future joke 😂😂😂 Quite literally perfect 👌🏻
Spencer is my spirit animal in all of this.
He's the world's spirit animal.
I support everything he says
It's not an issue of trying to hear the trailer, it's too hard to hear what you are saying while the trailer is playing. It just gives me a headache.
it sounds like having 3 videos up on youtube at once
WHAT?! I've been waiting all week for this commentary and you all decide to appear? I could not be any happier! I love you all!
Dreams do come true!
@@screenjunkies yeah it more fully started to occur to me today, you guys do a fuck ton of hard work. All the writing and editing that goes into every Honest Trailer for it being a weekly event (and as such, some TV shows so all the more grueling), and hell that's just the behind the scenes work of the seemingly endless amount of other daily segments you guys have going on. And not like just those are 30-60 minutes of studio time, plenty of prep is done for them as well. Weren't we going to make it big in Hollywood to NOT have real, everyday jobs?? lol
Season 8 did a really good job of making me not care about Game of Thrones.
I didn't even watch the last two episodes. I started watching reactions instead. Much more entertaining.
I was wondering about continuing watching but seeing all the buzz about the end I'm glad I won't waste my time hahaha
The writers should've started season 8 with a small snippet of Drew Carey saying:
"Welcome to Game of Thrones season 8 where everything is made up and the lore doesn't matter...that's right the lore doesn't matter." 😂
we get it Lon, you liked it. Nobody is forcing you to dislike it - just to understand why over 50% of the non-casual fanbase of the show felt the conclusion was weak and unsatisfying. It has very little to do with expectations, and it's not just that it was rushed (I'd argue that the blatantly "rushed" vibe is more of a symptom than a cause for the very vocal hate last two seasons got) it has more to do with weak dialogue, boring character arcs, plot armor in service of role popularity and and overall lack of production quality. I think that despite the rabid and exaggerated nature of our comments the fan base *can* forgive mistakes, but when the whole product feels like one big flaw... well, that's stretching the audience's limits for enjoyment.
YES.
exactly
@@ThreadBomb because it feels like he's ignoring the points that people are making and argues that it is them that don't understand the story.
@@ThreadBomb because he keeps acting like he truly knows the reason for why all these people hate S8. That is the most entitled thing ever, for a guy commenting on the fan trope of entitlement, in demanding that their object of their fandom conforms to their views.
No, it's not simply because the S8 did not follow the fanfic I wrote up. Get off your high horse.
This. I don’t understand why it’s difficult to understand why SO MANY DEVOTED FANS actually DO find it problematic. These are valid complaints. This whole comment section is deadass right, IMO. Taking a high horse position fools no one.
I love Lon trying to “Homer Through the Bushes” escape the table when Spencer starts talking about politics.
Lol. Even though spencer didn’t really. I am glad no one that i saw started freaking out.
I've said this before, so I'll be repeating myself, but Dany going mad is actually a perfect example of what went wrong with the show. Not that she went mad, as I do believe that's where the books are going as well. It's not what happens, it's why and how it happens.
When the Red Wedding happened, no one asked Why? You may not have liked that the Boltons turned against the Starks, and you certainly weren't surprised that the Freys did; you did not like the choice that they made, but you understood why it happened. You were angry, sad, depressed, but you weren't confused.
When Dany goes mad, everyone is asking Why? Why did she do this? It's not enough to be told that she could go mad. You need to see it evolve. The thing is, they had actually already built in how this could have happened and didn't use it.
1. Dany should have been winning the war. Cersei is not as smart as she thinks she is. She continually makes matters worse for herself because she lacks foresight. Dany should have been given good council by Tyrion with good information by Varys. Cersei should realize that she can't defeat Dany so long as Dany has these two men providing her advice, so she targets Tyrion and Varys. She manages to kill Varys, and therefore remove that source of information, and wounds Tyrion. She also manages to seriously wound one of the smaller dragons, to the point where it can no longer fly. It begins to give up on life, and, unable to force it to feed, Dany has to watch it waste away and die. She is consumed by grief.
2. Jorah at the Citadel. The healing by Sam seemed far too easy (comparative to the problem). Have Sam start to heal Jorah, and the next thing we see is Sam being reprimanded and punished. Jorah then turns up at Dragonstone. He sits in on her councils, and continually gives her advice that plays to the worst parts of her personality, the part telling her to burn everything, be a dragon. She occasionally laughs at his humor, which no one else seems to find funny. Later you find out why, when Sam meets Jon again and tells him how he met the son of Lord Mormont. He had grey scale. Sam tried to save him and failed: he died. Jorah's not there: Dany's having hallucinations brought on by grief at the loss of her child. We now know that Dany is compromised, even if the characters don't.
3. Qyburn's cult of murder babies. Dany blockades King's Landing, and Qyburn sends out a bunch of women and children under the guise of refugees who escaped, and want nothing to do with the Lannisters. Dany takes the children in, only for the children to be revealed as assassins who try to kill her in her sleep. She confronts the women, who openly admit they view Dany as a foreign invader and usurper. Dany has them burned alive. At this point she now sees everyone in King's Landing, even the women and children, as potential enemies.
Though she has been winning the war, driving Cersei back, the losses are becoming unbearable. She snaps and attacks the city.
Imo a much more organic process would have been having Danny, grieving for Missandre and her dragons and her lost troops etc etc and hell-bent on revenge against Cersei decides not to accept peace and instead continues to attack Cersei and the castle itself.
That way you could still have much destruction of the city, innocents bystanders killed and so on......but it would be because Danny has become so focussed on this one goal and one person.
So she'd still be unstable and unsuitable as a calm ruler, Jon and others could still work to stop her taking the throne but she wouldn't have been made into a butcher of innocent families and children.
You make some really good points.
Those are some clever ways of dealing with it, good work. I also felt if they'd had a scorpion or several hidden in the roof of several of the buildings en route to the castle, and they are revealed as she flys to attack and almost nail her, so she has to turn and destroy them, and gets paranoid over the rest of the city, that might have worked well.
If we can somehow smuggle you to hollywood and secretly replace you with one of the writers that would be super lol!
You're way better than dumb and dumber
The more the spectacle increased the less the dialogue charmed & the less the characters made sense. They went all in on 1 of the 3 things that were attractive about the show, ditched the other 2. Bran as king is fine if you tell the story differently. Oh and they stopped murdering people who earned $1M+ an episode.
Name 3 good things and 3 bad things about the final 3 seasons of Game of Thrones.
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Good:
The wardrobe dpt., digital visual effects & prosthetics, musical score
Bad:
Location continuity, fight choreography, the dumbing down of Tyrion's character
All 3 of my good things are from season 6: Cersei blowing up the Sept, Battle of the Bastards, "Hold the Door" Arya feeding Walder Frey his own children and then murdering him.
Good: Jorah, Theon and Sansa. Bad: Jon, Jaime and Tyrion.
3 good things :-
All the dragon scenes
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3 bad things
night kings death
euron greyjoy
the kids named danarius
Good: The Battle of The Bastards, Ramin Djawadi killing it as always, visual effects
Honorable Mention: "Dany kinda forgot" memes, Cleganebowl airhorns, everyone except for the writers was on their A-game
Bad: Dany kinda forgot, rushing, King Bran the Broken (who didn't appear for a whole season)
Honorable Mention: Dothraki and Unsullied apparently reproduce asexually, screw you Rhaegal, and plot armor
What D&d did to Jon's character is the equivalent of Aragorn having a massive stroke after the battle at Minas Tirith so they send him to live out his days in the Prancing Pony in Bree.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAAHHAAHHA I agree
I am with Spencer! I am usually with Dan, but Spencer is correct! Season 8 was blasphemy.
Right! And Lon trying to defend every part of it is annoying.
"But...to have done it the way they did Seasons 1-6, it would have been a 30 episode season!"
"Put it in my veins."
@@kingfrank01 yes how dare someone else have a differing opinion
I'm not someone who comments about the 'pause' thing, but I will say that when you're talking over the trailer, it's not that it's hard to hear the trailer. I've seen the trailer. It's also hard to hear what you're saying, and I'm tuning in here to hear your commentary.
Haven't seen these seasons of game of thrones, but enjoyable trailer as always. Thanks for the work you all do!
2:32 LOL
Get it out Spencer, this is your last chance.
2:42 Joe's ad-libs LOL
"Take me to church" could be on a Screenjunkies shirt! Hilarious.
I've enjoyed watching Spencer have nerd-rage about GOT this year. We all have things we feel passionately about, so it's a fun change to see the snarky one get mad about a show.
2 years later GOT has lost all cultural relevance
S H E S M Q W E E N
Ey dunh wan eht
Ey neivar hev
Dragonfire can't melt stone parapets. Dany was framed.
Ka-chow!
Daughter of Steve.
Rename this episode Honest Trailer Commentaries: CIVIL WAR
AlMoSiCe210 why? They all agree it's shite. Two people said it's alright.
So...
Spencer - Cap
Dan - Tony
Joe - Scott
Lon - Hawkeye
Danielle - Scarlett Witch
??
🤔
@@GoodOldGamer switch Dan to Cap and Spencer to Tony in terms of conflict
season 8 was fractally bad. it was bad in the overall story points and bad in the details. Saying that 'if there were 5 episodes to set this up' or 'they did the best with what they had' are non-arguments, you're saying that if the show was good, it would be good, good point.
jaime lannister going back to cersei isnt 'the way life is', it's character asssassination
This is the first time I have ever seen the word "fractal" being used as an adjective. Thanks. I picked up something new today.
I still am amazed at everyone who carries a torch for Jaime "Utter Bastard, Making Bastards" Lannister.
it's not character assassination. no matter what happened or what he did since the beginning of the series, he always went back to Cersei. she was his drug. it made perfect sense for him to go back and try to save her in the end. here is a jamie quote from season 6 episode 1, "Fuck prophecy. Fuck fate. Fuck everyone who isn’t us. We’re the only ones who matter, the only ones in this world. And everything they’ve taken from us, we’re going to take back and more. We’re going to take everything there is."
@@Adam-xg1ch in the show yes, he is completely different character in the books and Martin is a much better writer. Not that you even need to be a genius to understand that a good story or arc is more important in art than cynically operating within constraints of probability and reality. The characters that get killed off early are the ones who didn't evolve, if you let someone live to the very end, you need to make them dynamic. Even a small change, like having him kill Cersei would be OK, because it would show some progress. He didn't have to be completely redeemed and save the world.
@@Adam-xg1ch Where I'm at in the books right now, Jaime is feeling betrayed and hurt by Cersei cheating on him, refused to return to her when the High Sparrow took her prisoner, and is planning to tell the entire world that Tommen and Myrcella are his bastards.
39:28 I was hoping to see a clip of GOB from Arrested Development saying "I've made a huge mistake"
"C'mon Michael!"
One word to describe Season 8? Lazy
This comment is the Season 8 of Comments
We all know with the real ending at The Crossover with Elmo with the real ending year
@Doug - But they stopped it with season 7.
What are you talking about, "Season 8". It. never. happened.
I havent watch season 8 yet. Should i consider watching it?
What pissed me off was that Cersei was so 'unprepared' against Danny.
No EPIC battle. Just The Golden Company, even after learning that The Iron Fleet was destroyed.
D&D just kinda forgot how to write GoT.
Season 8 ruined the show for me. Lon's opinion is insane. that is all.
If season 8 ruined the show, I need to know what you were smoking during season 7.
I can't say it ruined the show. The suckiness of seasons 7 & 8 (and some of 6 cough*cough Dorne) doesn't negate how mind blowingly amazing the other seasons were.
Season 7-8 were definitely rushed but they were at least still somewhat entertaining in a slightly mind-numbing type of way.
Does nobody remember what a fucking SLOG Season 5 was?
@@fangal12 For me I put it like this. I'll never rewatch it because I can't handle where it went, but I'm glad I did when I didn't know where it was heading. It was a good show, but some series the ending matters more. and 3 seasons are a lot (We only forgive season 6 because it had some truly great episodes and scenes, but still wasn't that great overall. Still, I wish that was the low of the series and it picked up again...
@@katesometimeslate158 I didn't like season 7 but I didn't hate it like I did 8. I figured they would clean up everything and put a nice bow on the final season but it didn't. That's my reasoning.
It’s funny how Avatar: The Last Airbender became a better game of thrones than game of thrones.
Accurate comment is very accurate.
And that did it Six years before the Game of Thrones tv show!
We must not be talking about the movie, because the movie was so bad I walked out of the theater before it got halfway through.
Low bar.
@@ms_scribbles the Earth King has invited you to lake Laogai. There is no movie within these walls. Here, we are safe.
they committed straight up character assassination in season 8. that's it. no other way to put it.
I LOVE how annoyed Spencer is- because that's exactly how I felt.
But now I've moved on and don't even think about GoT anymore. The show is dead to me. Lmao
damn Dan's cruise analogy was just SPOT ON
Joe asking for the Wheel of Time made my heart grow 3 sizes. I love that man.
Tai'shar Kentucky!
Did Lon actually just argue that the Jaime going back to cersei makes sense from a storytelling perspective? Hahahahahhababababa.
Okay Lon when you right a story you set up actions with foreshadowing. Is there any foreshadowing for Jamie leaving that you can show me?
He's addicted to that incest man. He wants the forbidden fruit.
It makes sense from a storytelling perspective, its just unusual storytelling. Stories tend to take the road where characters do achieve their storyarc, or the storyarc that we want them to succeed at. But GoT never was that kind of story. Characters in the past had often failed to complete their arc, or rather their arc was never meant to be completed and was part of another arc. George RR Martin tends to go for a more realistic approach with his storytelling, more based in history and human nature. And Jaimie had a toxic relationship with Cersei that lasted for most of his life, it was always build into his character that he good relapse, and a situation where you have kinda achieved that change, is a perfect situation to relapse, because its new, its scary, and the past feels more comfortable and safe in that regard in contrast.
Also, the BIGGEST Problem that Jaimies story has towards the end, is that it was meant for books, where we are directly in Jaimies head, which needs to be adapted usually into some dialogue, which needs to make sense in the situation and needs reason to happen. That is not always possible, and the final season of GoT suffers at quite a few points from that. Another example would be Jon after the City gets burned. Not being directly in his head, with his inner monologue or inner dialogue, is a general problem. And the Dialogue with Tyrion was the way they tried to adapt that to the show, with the inbuild problem, that Jon is left with one side of inner dialogue, and Tyrion represents the more reasonable side, which made Jon look a bit stupid in that situation. With Jaimie however, there was no good way to really bring the inner conflict out in that kind of way, best they could do is what he said in his parting words with Brienne, which comes a bit out of nowhere in the show, but is not a problem at all in the books.
Helps if it makes sense from the storytelling perspective of an actual story not just in general lololol
I'll do it.
And Starring;
Stark Phoenix..
Was that so hard?
Disappointed in Spencer for not saying that Slavery is not a thing in Westeros to Lon when he was talking about breaking the wheel. Jorah was outcasted by Ned Stark. Come on, now. That's basic Thrones stuff 101
I was literally brought to tears of laughter before the end of minute 3, hallelujah testify.
A friend of mine never watched the show and never read the books. He finally binged the entire show and thought they completely crapped the bed in season 8.
Whether they had signed the deal for star wars before negotiating the number of episodes for the last season isn't really relevant. The question would be when did the negotiations for the SW deal begin.
Bless Dan for his fine education & for not noticing the decline of Jack London culturally since his death 100yrs ago.
They look so much better in 1080p
Blood and bloody ashes. Joe is right. I just need that Wheel of Time series to come out.
Nice on the main channel for once it fits
Next week probably ....
SHAZAM!
Golden Light Pictures good call.
I hope you’re right.
The magic word is "thanks" so it's a T. Hanks (Tom Hanks) movie.
No, it’s obviously the 90s classic Kazaam starring Sinbad
Golden Light Pictures yes it’ll be interesting to 👂 their thoughts since I 💭 this was way better than 👩✈️ Marvel IMO 🙃
Sansa "I don't even know how to use a knife" Stark
Bran has tree-wizard powers. He can see everything. He can know and tell everyone's stories. Therefore, he has the best story, the worst story, and all the stories in between.
Name a more iconic panel lineup. I'll wait
Edit: I love sassy Spencer btw
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 except I just said it so that statement is invalid
Mike Carlson
Nick Mundy
Kevin Napzok.
Great videos, guys!
But I have a suggestion: I'm French and I don't get everything when there are no subtitles, so if you could help us by adding them; that would be great.🤗
Je peux traduire les bouts que tu veux absolument comprendre si tu veux
My guy with the Wheel of Time drop up top, nice!
15:17 "If only that rock hadn't been there!" They have some really funny quotes in this video
15:54 (Night King taps Jon on his shoulder) "How the hell did you get here?!"
can someone please make a GIF of Lon and Spencer just staring at Dan at 6:35?
Spenny's germans floating in Florida bit was so great
Joe giving The Wheel of Time some recognision was one of my favourite moments watching this.
What the hell is Lon on about? If he can't see how superficial and ridiculous the character arcs are in season 8, I have to not only question his ability to review film/TV but also his intelligence. Very strange stuff.
43:19 "Plus, if you're looking for nudity on RUclips then you don't know how to use the internet."
I'm dying laughing, Joe's very casual tone just made that even better. RUclips needs to put that in their guidelines or something because that's very accurate. There's so many places online for nudity. Go literally anywhere else.
Actually, put more in .. RUclips is basically shitting on most people who use it, so their restrictions should be dealt with the same way...
Could you guys pleasssseee do fleabag or good omens
good omens was bad, at least for me i didn't find it fun and i didn't like what they did with the characters.
@@Real_SkyRipper i genuinely thought that show was loved by all. It was a bit different from the book but i loved it
Fleabag is so perfect
@@foxmouth9380 yessss
@@Real_SkyRipper There was veeerry little change made to/with the characters or the story.
It was certainly a 1000% closer to the tone of the book than what has happened with American Gods.
Okay so I’ve only just watched the final season of GOT bc....reasons. I don’t think enough is made of Jon Snow’s heritage coming to precisely ZERO after building it up as the central and most important through line in the series. What a waste of time! Jon didn’t need to sit on the throne at the end but his heritage needed to have SOME significance! Jesus!
Jon could have had to fight his way through dragon fire to kill Danerys and end her tyranny as the only other Targaeryan heir for instance. But no, he just walks up to her and stabs her. ANYBODY could have done that!!!!!
‘Sansa Sansssa Saaansa Saannssaaaa’
I have replayed that six times now with a smile that’s starting to hurt my face
More like shansaaaah, shaansaaaaah
Poddrick singing is the only good thing in GOT season 8
vintage game Poddricks character was used as fan service the whole season
Not the acting? The CGI? The set design/costume design? The soundtrack? Some of the more deserved heartfelt character moments?
with Elmo the crossover with Elmo maybe. a good thing
@@MrGreenHulkis was just a comment on the writers, sure the technical aspects and characters acting was good but the rush to end the series made it the disappointment it is.
Can someone explain to me why The Man in the High Castle is okay and Confederate isn’t?
One would have racist undertones that are generally not acceptable in modern PC culture, while the other would... oh wait... i see your point
Black woman here, and I was actually quite interested in seeing what they were going to do with Confederate but I'm also an avid fan of alternate histories. There's a large segment of the black population that is tired of us always being cast as slaves or servants with no real agency and white saviors cast as the lead (not sure if that was going to happen here just stating what the concerns were). I think that's what the uproar was about. With TMITHC Jewish people are still able to blend in with the general population so they they would not be automatically cast in subservient roles and have their agency removed.
@@Arti09HS The modern PC argument is so old and tired. The "good old days" that people seem to be referring to were way more censored than nowadays. Comedians could be arrested if their material was considered too lewd, movies and television were not allowed to have an ending where criminals won in the end, sex, nudity, language and violence were all censored. I think what you mean is that disparaging and harmful attitudes toward people of color were ok to be perpetuated by the dominant class and other voices were not heard. I for one am much happier with nowadays but that just me.
16:51 I agree with that chair :D
Wow.
Roth's disguises are getting better and better.
Omg Preach baby,
Testify!!
Oh Take me to church,
Let's go to chapel!!
*In my best Southern Preacher voice*
The issue with the ending isn't that they ran out of written material. They basically gave up on adapting the source material after they got through book 3.
Yes Joe! Wheel of Time should be more violent and epic than GOT...
You can tell how much more emotionally invested everyone is in GOT by how much time they spent discussing it before actually starting the HT. This is pretty much an episode of Watching Thrones.
I couldn't believe that on "I've made a terrible mistake" montage, you didn't cut to Will Arnett (GOB).
Loved this. One of the best commentaries you guys have ever done! I'm so glad that you make these.
love you guys and all the work you do!
I just want to say though, the reason people yell at you to pause the trailer isn't because they want to hear the trailer -it's because we really want to hear what YOU are saying - and talking while the trailer is on drowns you guys out. I've never said anything about it before, never yelled at you about it! I get it, you get excited and sometimes you're just making a quick side comment to each other for a laugh, not wanting to pause and talk about an aspect of the trailer; and understandably no one wants to yell "pause" only to make a quick quip about Joe or something.
I just wanted to clear up why people hate when you talk over the trailer. Not about hearing the trailer, just makes it much harder to hear you guys! Much love
I know I may sound stupid but what was up with the Jon Snow hairline joke? I couldn’t see what its in reference to? Anyone know what I am missing?
I don't get it either, his hairline looks absolutely fine? What are we missing?
ScarletAmazon Exactly!?
*Its final season
I'm sorry, but as the son of English majors, I can't help it.
I just watched game of thrones for the first time the last two weeks.. I'm 34.. I decided early on to wait until the show was done
Joe saying testify and take me to church
This panel is gold 😍🙌🏽
Lon being a contrarian
I love this HT Commentary as a slightly angry argument between the crew. So good
Regarding talking over the trailer. If I wanted to watch the trailer I'd watch the trailer by itself. I want to hear what you guys have to say and I can't when the trailer is playing over you.
I could sense the hate in the trailer and I felt it was coming from Spencer haha. He is a godsend, I loved everything about how they shit on these final few seasons. This panel is amazing, so glad we had everyone. I usually find I don’t agree with Joe but loved everything he said in this episode
Also the people voting for Bran include; his Sister, his uncle, his cousin, his cousin's(different cousin) best friend, guy in love with his other sister, woman who swore oaths to his mother and oldest sister. The deck is PRETTY stacked to elect a Stark
Most of the former great houses were destroyed or decimated. We have Martell, Baratheon, Greyjoy and Lannister with 1 surviving member. The Tyrells are wiped out. Tully and Arryn are related to the Starks by blood.
Anyone surprised a Stark is in on the throne?
Hope this longer, fuller format sticks!
25:38 will never ever not be funny to me. That song about Arya stark being a shape shifter now is endlessly hilarious 😂 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You talking about consistency?
WATCH AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D!!!!!!!!!!!
It didn't have a great start, but they consistently improved quality season after season and has become really, really, really good.
I agree with everything that Spencer said this commentary, especially in the beginning.
I've re-watched this 3x or something because Spencer is on fire.
He's so damn funny on this video.
"Hear me out..."
"or like when Yoda busts a nut and he talk normal."
"Dany's always been Qanon."
It was rushed is the worst excuse. It took them 3 years to do the last 13 episodes. When they were previously doing 10 per year. That is the exact opposite of rushed.
The episode that gave me pause was actually Battle of the Bastards. It is one of my favorites, but I remember twitching when the Vail came from nowhere in the knick of time to save Jon. That was the beginning of Jon's plot armor that got thicker with each episode.
One key change in GoT was something George RR Martin pointed out in Entertainment Weekly when talking about the successor show: "As you know for Game of Thrones, we never even nominated anybody for lead actress or lead actor [during awards season] until recently; it was always for supporting [categories] because the show is such an ensemble."
When GoT decided it no longer wanted to be an ensemble is when they messed up in my opinion. The show was at its very best when it was an ensemble show without lead actors. To me, the show runners didn't know what made their show great, so after they ran out of books they moved the show into the wrong direction as a result of it.
yeah boi!!! calling out the wheel of time straight away!!! loved those books
"Ahh, evil.
I’m not evil. They brought this on themselves.
Was Daenerys evil? Was Tywin Lannister? Stannis Baratheon? Olenna Tyrell? Roose Bolton? Theon Greyjoy? No. Or rather, its entirely subjective, and, rather complex.
The entire point of Game of Thrones was to point out the futility and Hell that is war. One of the ways it accomplished this was by it’s realistic depictions of character. The Game of Thrones characters are morally complex. Character being seen as virtuous, good, and heroic or cruel, evil, and treacherous depends on one’s point of view. The first novel, A Game of Thrones, is a very Stark-centric book with all characters POV’s ring a Stark (or Jon, a Snow) save two- Daenerys and Tyrion. As the Starks are demonstrably noble and honorable and good, when they find themselves opposed to the Lannisters, who, from their perspective, (to varying degrees- Jon and Tyrion get along for example) come across as treacherous and ambitious and corrupt and cruel, it’d be easy as a reader to see them as “the bad guys”…save for the perspectives where we see Tyrion, reading his inner thoughts, is not a bad person, and, by proxy, we get conflicting opinions or perspectives of other characters we view for good or ill. While a useful method to advance the story, it was also a method meant to challenge readers to caution the reliability of the way events unfold or are witnessed. For example, Jaime was clearly a villain, until we got inside his head in his POV chapters in A Storm of Swords…then we saw he’s actually a noble man. Realizing this makes us re-examine our earlier preconceptions of characters like Ned Stark, for example.
The show, however, is a different medium, and must impart it’s lessons in a different way. We don't get characters inner thoughts, so their motivations are ambiguous. We see events unfold, rather than hear about them from within another characters POV. As such, things are often bit more straightforward. As such, Daenerys actions in the earlier seasons as she acquired more and more power, given she was presented as a protagonist and a seemingly good person, it led to many viewers empathizing, identifying with, or idolizing her. Therefore, it was easy to overlook her atrocities as heroic rather than barbaric, her actions as empowering rather than fascistic, and because we were “with her” perspective, it allowed us as viewers to vilify, or dehumanize her victims as “evil” to justify what she does. We see Daenerys rationalization. She feels she’s liberating cities, freeing slaves and empowering the downtrodden. Because she believes this, she conducts herself as a virtuous person, and it can be easy, as a viewer, to see her as actually being one.
And that was the point. Viewers were meant to “root” for Daenerys. Her raving threats of bringing fire and blood, and destroying whole cities were presented as bold and heroic, an under dog declaring her intentions, “calling her shot” with the backdrop of a powerful moving score as she states them. We see Grey Worm and Missandei’s appreciation for being freed and treated with dignity, and we see the blind devotion of Jorah. That Grey Worm is a mal-conditioned drone stormtrooper, and Jorah a former slaver is easily overlooked because they serve Daenerys so loyally, and she’s “good” right? Sneaking into city in disguise and taking it by guile? That’s not treacherous, it’s bold! She executed innocent, even morally good people when she indiscriminately crucified hundreds of masters? Well, cut her a break, they had committed the atrocity of crucifying slave children. Sure, she messed up, but, they deserved it, right? Burning men alive in a premeditated fashion? Well, they were rapists and savages, men looking to dominate her as a woman. So, that was empowering and righteous! A building consumed in fire with dozens of dead inside was presented as an epic and powerful moment, rather than a horrifying one. We were, through trick of depiction and score, meant to root for Daenerys. And why? So that when she “turned evil” it would be like a kick in the balls- utterly overwhelming.
When Daenerys “snaps” (and lets be honest, she didn’t go crazy….she just rationalized her decision to employ terror), suddenly, the perspective changes, and we’re presented from the point of view of the citizens under attack. We’re no longer “with her”, her and her troops actions being “ours”, and therefore, something we want and root for and celebrate…no, we’re on the other end for a change. Her actions are terrifying. They’re barbaric and savage. Merciless and cruel. Insane. In a word, evil. All because our perspective changed.
The show held a mirror up, and we recoiled in revulsion at what we saw. Why were we so disturbed? I mean, we rooted for Daenerys for years! It was awesome. Epic. Fun.
Until it wasn't.
Until they reminded us war is Hell.
So is Daenerys evil? Depends on who you ask. Grey Worm? She’s a hero and liberator to him. The Dothraki? An icon, Blood of their Blood. To the show cobbler on Gin Alley, who lost his wife, two sons, daughter, dog, home, business, sept, and was sadly burned and lost an arm? She’s a monster. A tyrant. Evil.
And that’s the point.
No, Daenerys is not evil. Like Tywin or Stannis or Cersei, she's a complex character, capable of great good and great evil. She’s human. She’s any one of us." -someone on Quora
Too long, didnt read
FINALLY! This whole waiting for the commentaries thing is painful, but worth it! I love this series and crew no matter the channel. THANKS SCREEN JUNKIES!
YOU'RE VERY WELCOME!
The only way Danni's heel turn would work is if from episode one, they showed that she has an ego and that she puts it before ideals.
Also you think the Lord of Light bringing John Snow back, the two of them would be more involved killing the Night King...
So...you think it would have only worked if Dany had been a one-dimensional character that never changed from Season 1? That makes no sense.
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No I think he's saying the change they gave her didn't correspond to the change (or character development) she had undergone from Season 1 to Season 7 prior to o turning "Mad Queen".
In other words, the character development she underwent from season one seems to suggest that she WOULDN'T turn Mad Queen and would instead find reasons to NOT burn all those innocent people despite the clumsy way they tried to set it up and justify it with Jorah and Missandei's death and a failing relationship with Jon.
Cbricklyne You are correct. Vince MacMann wouldn't have done a heel turn that out of nowhere!
I'll give Lon credit for being the only one at that table that really liked season 8. Great Commentary as usual.
GOT was never in my Top 5 after season 7. I still had hopes, but David and Benioff (Dumb & Dumber) killed everything good about the show by the finale.
Anyone who wants a great finale and a mindblowing show from start to finish must watch Jonathan Nolan's Person of Interest. One of the Top 5 TV shows in the world, period.
I was happy to see all five hosts
Daredevil (Netflix) deserves an honest trailer. It is frigging perfect.
The idea that anyone thought S8 was "perfectly fine" is insane. No character was acting like their character, they were fast-travelling everywhere, nothing mattered . . . it was such a mangled mess that it could barely be called a television show.