Wish they had a V-class.. The Allison's, Rolls-Royce Griffin engines. Those turbines are loud and whiny, high-pitched. But those V12's.. you could feel them in your chest, and they just about rattled your teeth in your mouth. Thunder boats !!
Announcers sounded so cool back then. Their speaking cadence still had a touch of Trans-Atlantic to it. I remember being fascinated by that in the original Love Bug movie as a kid.
I had one of those nice boat to run, try using one of the new four cylinder motors that are out there. Right now I have one of the Areomarine boats that clocks around 70 mph. The Dumas Marine boats are nice .
I don't recall this Pay n Pack dual hemi boat, but I do recall a Miss Chrysler dual hemi unlimited hydroplane from back in the day. The boat had potential in that it looked competitive speed-wise with the big airplane engine boats, but it was plagued with reliability issues. Apparently hooking the engines up inline and synching them together proved too difficult. At least that's what my aging brain recalls. Anyone who knows more about this, please chime in.
Well, I am on the internet; so I did my own research and found an article about the Miss Chrysler Crew by hydroplane historian Fred Farley. It was a more successful boat than I realized. It used a conventional hull design (for the 1960’s), unlike the cap over design of the Pay n Pack boat that came later. I’m not sure about the etiquette of posting links here; so, I’ll leave you to google the boat’s name for more info.
I can Vividly remember the sounds of those V 12's when I was in grade school (late 60' - early 70's)... It was THE BEST TIME OF YEAR... Seafair, and the hydros where here.
I was at the Gold Cup that year..The Miss Eagle Electric was the fastest boat on the Detroit River that day..There were a lot of holes from the Whittier turn into the backstretch, and The Colonel drove into one while chasing Sterrett..The Eagle went airborne, and cartwheeled 2 or 3 times..The Colonel died later that night from his injuries...Warner Gardner's son was on the pit crew, it must have been gutwrenching to see his dad lose the boat that way..The next day, they pulled what was left of the Eagle Electric from the river and brought it ashore near Sinbad's...Pretty tough to watch..
If Black wasn’t the best hemi guy who was? Still miss Bernie and Miss Budweiser. Big billboard on I-4 in Lakeland proudly proclaimed it was the home of Bernie Little and world champion Miss Budweiser. Miss it every time I go through. Turbine boats go fast But I miss the thunder of the old boats
I was out on my uncles sailboat during a set of races oh were those very loud boats but it was fun watching them run. I had a seat up on the mast so I could see the action, the MISS BUDWISER boat was screaming along around 180 and running flat smooth and fast and the OH BOY OBERTO cut the BUDWISER boat short the MISS BUD. went across the front of the Overton and both went airborne, and flipped the Circus Circus boat won that race and still threw a prop. That was back in the late 70s at the long Beach marine stadium.
Do you know of Ed Pink? Drag Racing environment I realize this but if those two had ever bumped 'heads', so to speak with Lucero designing hulls as he was in the Pay n Pak camp for the decades of the 70's and early 80's-better competition than what had been in reality.
Not mentioned was most of these boats also ran in the Diamond Cup held on Lake Coeur d’Alene Idaho which ran 1958-68 (though not in 67). In 1962 Mira Slovak almost died in the Excide wreck. Col. Warner Gardner jumped from his still moving hydro and held Slovak’s head above water, saving his life. Both men were very popular in CdA and there is a beautiful monument to Gardner with an F-86 flying out of a hydroplane rooster tail.
I remember this boat in San Diego. It was exciting. The twin supercharged hemi’s put out pretty good power and it was much lighter. I don’t think it was much faster than the limited hydro’s.
"Then we went to Pasco and won all three heats there..." No you didn't, Dave! You were standing in Kennewick when you won those heats! Everybody in the whole damn sport does this and it drives me absolutely insane. When you come from Kennewick, you dont have much to be proud of. Please just give us this.
Unfortunely this isn't much of a Sport anymore...too expensive...but back in the day (50's & 60's) "Real" Men would build their own engines and tweak their hulls out to get the most speed thy could out of them. My Father raced a 48cu inch (Y Class) back in the 60's when I was just a kid. I believe they used a 44cu inch engine at first ( a Crosley engine ) then there was the 91's which were still real small but faster...there used to be all kinds of classes, 145's, 225's, 260's (which were real fast) the 280's , which was a stock class (and my Dad raced in it from 1956 until about 1966, then he sold the boat and just drove for somebody else every now and then. There was also a 7 liter class in the late 60's & early 70's that was real fast too...( I think it was an H class )....fond memories.
This was in the good years of racing now im not sure. The tubins have takin a way of hydro racing no more loud boats. I havent watched any racing after Kiro gove up having the race any moor for stupid Base Baii. One race day in SEA i was stuck to the race all day
Likewise. Planned my whole day around the KIRO Seafair broadcast. The first year they stopped showing it, the first thing on was an infomercial. Of course. Money is WAY more important than local tradition or something actually entertaining to watch.
Problem was with the auto engines is they were too small even 2 of them would only equal 800 to 900 cubic inch displacement about 1/2 the 1650 cu in Merlins 1710 Cu In Allisons or the rare 2250 cu in RR Griffons. and they run the auto engines much faster, but the problem was reliability of the 2 engines holding up to the stress of hi rpms.
Wish they had a V-class.. The Allison's, Rolls-Royce Griffin engines. Those turbines are loud and whiny, high-pitched. But those V12's.. you could feel them in your chest, and they just about rattled your teeth in your mouth. Thunder boats !!
Damn RIGHT!
This hull blew my MIND in '70!!❤
The profile itself as it sits looks like it's turning 170......roostertail notwithstanding (!)
Announcers sounded so cool back then. Their speaking cadence still had a touch of Trans-Atlantic to it. I remember being fascinated by that in the original Love Bug movie as a kid.
Nice, I have an old dumas RC BOAT of the Pay N Pak in my closet, still unfinished, this is good motivation to finish it!
I had one of those nice boat to run, try using one of the new four cylinder motors that are out there. Right now I have one of the Areomarine boats that clocks around 70 mph.
The Dumas Marine boats are nice .
I don't recall this Pay n Pack dual hemi boat, but I do recall a Miss Chrysler dual hemi unlimited hydroplane from back in the day. The boat had potential in that it looked competitive speed-wise with the big airplane engine boats, but it was plagued with reliability issues. Apparently hooking the engines up inline and synching them together proved too difficult. At least that's what my aging brain recalls. Anyone who knows more about this, please chime in.
Well, I am on the internet; so I did my own research and found an article about the Miss Chrysler Crew by hydroplane historian Fred Farley. It was a more successful boat than I realized. It used a conventional hull design (for the 1960’s), unlike the cap over design of the Pay n Pack boat that came later. I’m not sure about the etiquette of posting links here; so, I’ll leave you to google the boat’s name for more info.
Good Sherlockian Work right there, Holmes Sir!
How's Doc Watson doin' these daze?
I can Vividly remember the sounds of those V 12's when I was in grade school (late 60' - early 70's)...
It was THE BEST TIME OF YEAR...
Seafair, and the hydros where here.
Did you go to Crown Point Elementary School in Pacific Beach? Every September wasn't it?
I always have enjoyed watching the Thunderbolts run the Miss Budwiser the Circus Circus and so many others
One point is that ONE of the Miss Thriftways was of a 'cabover' design withe Bill Muncey at the helm I do believe in the mid to late 50's.....❤
Yeesss, i'm about 8 to 10 years , when Miss Bardhall whas the winner one race , this whas in the 60's ....now i'm 66 years ...ufff !!!
Good God miss the old school hydros
I was at the Gold Cup that year..The Miss Eagle Electric was the fastest boat on the Detroit River that day..There were a lot of holes from the Whittier turn into the backstretch, and The Colonel drove into one while chasing Sterrett..The Eagle went airborne, and cartwheeled 2 or 3 times..The Colonel died later that night from his injuries...Warner Gardner's son was on the pit crew, it must have been gutwrenching to see his dad lose the boat that way..The next day, they pulled what was left of the Eagle Electric from the river and brought it ashore near Sinbad's...Pretty tough to watch..
If Black wasn’t the best hemi guy who was? Still miss Bernie and Miss Budweiser. Big billboard on I-4 in Lakeland proudly proclaimed it was the home of Bernie Little and world champion Miss Budweiser. Miss it every time I go through. Turbine boats go fast
But I miss the thunder of the old boats
Nothing like the sound of pistons. Turbines whine....pistons thunder.
I was out on my uncles sailboat during a set of races oh were those very loud boats but it was fun watching them run. I had a seat up on the mast so I could see the action, the MISS BUDWISER boat was screaming along around 180 and running flat smooth and fast and the OH BOY OBERTO cut the BUDWISER boat short the MISS BUD. went across the front of the Overton and both went airborne, and flipped the Circus Circus boat won that race and still threw a prop. That was back in the late 70s at the long Beach marine stadium.
Do you know of Ed Pink? Drag Racing environment I realize this but if those two had ever bumped 'heads', so to speak with Lucero designing hulls as he was in the Pay n Pak camp for the decades of the 70's and early 80's-better competition than what had been in reality.
Not mentioned was most of these boats also ran in the Diamond Cup held on Lake Coeur d’Alene Idaho which ran 1958-68 (though not in 67). In 1962 Mira Slovak almost died in the Excide wreck. Col. Warner Gardner jumped from his still moving hydro and held Slovak’s head above water, saving his life. Both men were very popular in CdA and there is a beautiful monument to Gardner with an F-86 flying out of a hydroplane rooster tail.
My Dad took us as kids see them race in at Sea Fair Seattle in the 1960's. So much fun hearing them roar by with those incredible rooster tails!
I remember this boat in San Diego. It was exciting. The twin supercharged hemi’s put out pretty good power and it was much lighter. I don’t think it was much faster than the limited hydro’s.
I remember that too. It had the best sound!
My father owned an Eliminator Jet Boat, this reminds me of driving it.
Awesome video.very well made.
"Then we went to Pasco and won all three heats there..." No you didn't, Dave! You were standing in Kennewick when you won those heats!
Everybody in the whole damn sport does this and it drives me absolutely insane. When you come from Kennewick, you dont have much to be proud of. Please just give us this.
I’m thinking that the band leader Guy Lombardo raced with the Allison v-12. In the 50’s.
Balls of steel... 😵
Unfortunely this isn't much of a Sport anymore...too expensive...but back in the day (50's & 60's) "Real" Men would build their own engines and tweak their hulls out to get the most speed thy could out of them. My Father raced a 48cu inch (Y Class) back in the 60's when I was just a kid. I believe they used a 44cu inch engine at first ( a Crosley engine ) then there was the 91's which were still real small but faster...there used to be all kinds of classes, 145's, 225's, 260's (which were real fast) the 280's , which was a stock class (and my Dad raced in it from 1956 until about 1966, then he sold the boat and just drove for somebody else every now and then. There was also a 7 liter class in the late 60's & early 70's that was real fast too...( I think it was an H class )....fond memories.
At 2:58 for some reason they deleted the audio where he states that his driver Lt. Col. Warner Franklin Gardner died from his injuries in that crash.
If they got rid of the turbine engine, perhaps they would get more competitors, more sponsors, and network TV coverage. Make Thunderbolts Great Again
Problem is where would they get engines for them. Theres just about no big V12's left.
@@glennoswald5928 There are engines left, Vintage V12's in Calif has warehouses full of them but they are expensive !!!!!!
I had no idea the miss Budweiser was actually a man
This was in the good years of racing now im not sure. The tubins have takin a way of hydro racing no more loud boats. I havent watched any racing after Kiro gove up having the race any moor for stupid Base Baii. One race day in SEA i was stuck to the race all day
Likewise. Planned my whole day around the KIRO Seafair broadcast. The first year they stopped showing it, the first thing on was an infomercial. Of course. Money is WAY more important than local tradition or something actually entertaining to watch.
That's the same setup as the miss Chrysler crew lauterbach awesome!
Saw Miss Chrysler run in Seattle, sounded great
Problem was with the auto engines is they were too small even 2 of them would only equal 800 to 900 cubic inch displacement about 1/2 the 1650 cu in Merlins 1710 Cu In Allisons or the rare 2250 cu in RR Griffons. and they run the auto engines much faster, but the problem was reliability of the 2 engines holding up to the stress of hi rpms.
Remember my mom telling me stories about the pay n pak.and the pride
About half the displacement of an Allison V-1710 aircraft engine.
Great historical film
Is there any film of the 16 cyl boat running? I'd would love to see that. I'll be searching
Must be some out there but where?
Towards the end of this clip: ruclips.net/video/AdPBgZp3mUM/видео.html
Search "Twin Pak" there are clips in the public domain..
I am a subscriber 689🐱
Now they all went turbine!
Great video.👍👍
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 29 Aug 22.
Good Lord, these guys are cut from a different cloth. . .