What if We Misunderstood Micah's Betrayal This WHOLE Time?
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- Whats the price of survival Micah Belle red dead redemption 2. RDR2 Micah belle the rat all along. What is the cost of trying to survive?
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In my mind Micah was never misunderstood, logical, or ever bright up there he was just a parasite living off the energy of others and getting rid of anything that stands in his way the survival aspect of his personality does not justify his acts
Best comment.
That's because Survival is a baseline and easy to excuse. It's easy to justify horrific actions when you look at it as "Me against the universe"
@@iceluvndiva21To be fair, what did he do that was more horrific than the rest of the gang?
People seem to forget he betrayed a band of some of the most wanted criminals in the country who have killed loads of innocent people.
True he was no more a "rat" than the rest of them, but he was arguably the most volatile member besides dutch and from the gangs point of view they are "Robbin Hood" esque and out to live and bring about an end to tyranny as they see it. Micah kills for fun and the thrill of it and his own ends that justify his own means.@@John.McMillan
@@John.McMillan micah is literally the worse of the worse he reminds me of the odriscolls ths way he antagonizes everyone, the way he interacts with the women in the gang he is so far removed from the other members yet Dutch kept him around
Anybody else notice how Micah’s body changes over the course of the game? In the beginning he’s pretty slim, lanky even; at the end he has a huge gut.
hes been eating good
No he’s just skinny fat he wares clothes that make him seem slim he has a beer belly underneath
@@Yayface-fr4sp Just like a rat.
Metaphor for his growing greed probably
He's a glutton
There is one thing that always bothers me about the whole "Micah is a rat" thing. Milton revealed Micah was working with the Pinkertons after Guarma. There is no, absolutely *NO* reason for Milton to lie in the situation when he tells Arthur. Arthur at this point was a dying man, held at gunpoint by Milton. At this moment, Milton thought he held all the cards and he's got nothing to lose by simply saying the truth here and revealing everything, because he didn't think he could lose in that situation. Micah wasn't a good person by a longshot, but until he got captured by the Pinkertons after Guarma, I do think he was loyal. Only when he's cornered and doesn't see a way out he sells Dutch/the gang out, to save his own skin by making a deal with them. I don't think he particularly fancied ratting on everybody because he loves the outlaw and gang life, but he didn't have a choice there. Either help the Pinkertons, or die.
People failed to mention that the Pinkertons wanted to kill Micah anyway even after he rat them out. Micah returned back to the swamp hideout first after he was taken in by Milton...yet they still want him dead and shredded to pieces. So him being a survivor is true.
But as a parasite in the gang with no sympathy? Still true.
It’s most likely he did snitch, but it would be a good twist if he didn’t and Milton lied to make him angry/mock him
Exactly, Milton thought he'd be walking out of that situation with Abigail and Sadie captured, and Arthur dead or captured. Who would he be lying for in that situation? Why would he use a lie there?
@@RicoHelmsthat is a dumb fanfiction wish that would just be a plothole to the story. Save your what ifs.
Milton couldve been playing mind games
1:41 "Two custom Schofield Revolvers"... minor detail, but they're Double Action Revolvers- notice that they're not break-open but the cylinder releases and in that shot of him firing them, you can see him forego working the hammer. Small error, I'm not even a gun nut, just happy to finally have a little nitpick like that in a cool video. Like finding an animation error in you're favorite cartoon c:
I was looking for this comment😅
Me tooo
same lol
Ditto
“just happy to find a little nitpick in a cool video” holy cringe lol
People failed to mention that the Pinkertons wanted to kill Micah anyway even after he rat them out. Micah returned back to the swamp hideout first after he was taken in by Milton...yet they still want him dead and shredded to pieces. So him being a survivor is true.
But as a parasite in the gang with no sympathy? Still true.
I just dont understand why Milton calls him a good rat when Micah pushed Dutch to kill Cornwall? The dude paying Milton
because milton lied about it, micah never was the rat. he killed arthur because arthur was trying to have him killed and kicked out of the gang.
@@DaleGribbleFitnessOfficial
Are you OK? Micah IS the rat. He did not even deny it even when Dutch wasn't around when they were fighting. In fact, he accepted it.
Ben Davis said in an interview that Dutch shot Micah because Micah is a rat. That's pretty well easy to understand
@@broKen73484 he did it all to keep the gang on his side could very easily get arrested with them then let go after like any undercover cop or ci irl he definitely did rat he ratted after the valentine shit or possibly ratted for the black water job too
@@broKen73484 not even a single argument back to any valid points I made you don’t know how anything works in law when taking down a whole group clearly so stfu and fuck off no one agrees with you and your retarded views
@@broKen73484he was trying to get Dutch bounty high as possible then turn him in
@@broKen73484 Many flaws in your little "theory". Milton said that they picked him up after Guarma, probably sometime after they moved to the chapter 6 camp. Also Micah as he says himself will do anything to survive so instead of getting hanged he ratted on his gang. He also says that he likes a tight crew, 5 or 6 good gunmen so he obviously wanted the weak and the woman out of the gang.
@@broKen73484 There wasnt a rat in the St. Dennis heist. Arthur, Dutch, and Lenny literally just hijacked a Trolly and wrecked it through the city, the pinkertons have been on their trail linking their crimes to them since the beginning of the game. Everyone thinks the Pinkertons are dumb but Dutch is dumbest one for thinking the bamk robbery was a good idea.
Micah is literally never in any of the group missions unless it’s a robbery. Not when they get attacked or when they are getting revenge like with the jack situation. Only time I really can remember him being with the gang that was not a robbery is when Sean got killed
Very true, but you can argue that the only reason hes not on the hunt for Jack is because Dutch ordered him to stay behind, but then at the same time hes not there when you go after Bronte either
I think a massive piece of dialogue for Micah’s characters is at the start of the game when he brings up “there’s too many mouths to feed” I feel Micah expected Dutch’s gang to be more of an actual gang than a family.
Dutch said himself everyone that’s in his gang is seen as family compared to his rival colm
When micah said i need better from you arthur
That infuriated me.
Rockstar did such a good job making us hate him 😂
I KNOW, like bro you are talking to THE ARTHUR MORGAN. DONT DISRESPECT MY BOAH
@@NashTheInsomniac Arthur was the main man
That's the only reason micah felt a need to prove his importance
Arthurs respect backed that up, he wasn't fazed
1:40 Those ain't Schofields, they're double actions.
Beat me to it lol
In fairness, there is one scene where he fires at the odriscolls, and they make the sound of a schoffield so you can see where he got it from.
Okay so lets say I shoot an AK47, and it magically sounds like an M16, is it now an M16?@@Skalesthegoat
Double Actions with the damage of Cattlemans
@notyesah9909 , I'm not saying it's a reason for it not to be double action. It's just where the misconception may have came from.
Micha is what an actual old west outlaw was like. A brutal killer with no conscience because life on the frontier demanded savagery in order to survive. I think he did care about Dutch and saw him as a directing force in his otherwise directionless life. Everyone Micha had run with had abandoned him. His family, Norman, and I'm sure others. Dutch had a soft spot for the outcast and Micha probably thought he had found a place that he could call home. But a life of savagery had left him a violent and sadistic creep. So he couldn't really fit into society, any society, like the camp. I think Milton gave him no choice, and he probably thought he could save Dutch and lose the dead weight.
Micah would've fit in with the glanton gang
@@Minka-ot9xl I think he would make a great high ranking odriscoll
@@Minka-ot9xlhe IS Judge Holden...minus the Strength and the...uhhh...EDP behavior
@@hulkbelowall9532”He never sleeps, the rat, he says he’ll never die”
9:40 Micah was in this cutscene when the game first came out, you can go back and check old walkthrough vids and see him. This must have been a glitch or something
Exactly (I saw that to)
Hey everyone! Did you know that Micah had double action revolvers and NOT Scofields?
Lol That's RUclips comments sections, people read something and the whole lot have to jump on the bandwagon..............
Ik I did too lol
Micah is the only realistic outlaw in the game, at least among the main characters
Not true, Micah was just the only one that didn't try to pretend he was anything more than a lowlife murderer, like dutch.
No. A lot of criminals have morals believe it or not . Lines even they don’t cross. But there are also pure savages like Micah. All the outlaws are realistic
Absolutely not. Many outlaws had morals and moral codes in real life. Sure, some savages like Micah did exist, but the majority were like Dutch, Arthur, or Hosea.
I think Micah is a bounty protector, someone who helps out a bounty target and waits for the bounty to increase. Micah likely saw a $1000 bounty, saw that he was in trouble, and saw a chance to befriend him, and betray him when the price was right.
This is a cool theory.
Micah wore white in the st denis bank job so that the Pinkertons would be able to see him and not shoot at him
The reality is that the story was probably never meant to be scrutinized to this extent so the writers may not have patched every doubt w/ regard to Micah being a rat. It’s a rather simple story. Just made with amazingly fleshed out characters.
We all love Red Dead but I honestly think you can lose the overall meaning of the story and game if you keep looking extremely deep for clues and answers that are probably just not there.
Micah was the rat. Period. He only became a rat after Guarma. It’s likely the Blackwater massacre "set-up" was just the improvement in law enforcement that is a main theme in the game. It’s also likely that Micah was an opportunist, choosing to turn in Dutch only when the moment was right.
I agree with you, even moreso to point out that there doesnt need to be a rat before guarma.
If you're paying attention, all of the conversations between Dutch and Hosea are arguments.
"We just lost folk and now you want to rob a train!?"
"We need to lie low, I thought that was the plan!?"
"They're coming after us because we're making too much noise dutch!!"
Hosea is getting sick, hes weaker, and it isnt until chapter 3 that we see Hosea at his best, and gang members even comment that he seems like his old self again.
Dutch comments on his health, almost patronizingly. The same way that omce arthur gets sick, he does to arthur.
I think dutch replaced hosea with arthur around about the beginning of the game. He listens to arthurs advice mostly.
And now Micah has replaced arthur as of chapter 6.
agree bro💯
idk rockstar did alot of work on little details, like the poster at Micahs camp in strawberry. I have a feeling they had a whole lore behind and then cut stuff out to leave it intentionally vague/confusing so that people could do exactly what’s happening now. idk they did the same thing with ATLA where some stuff was explained but there was also stuff that was up to interpretation. either way its fun and i understand and respect where you are coming from. there is definitely some stuff that doesn’t really line up
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It wasnt micahs plan to rat on the gang. He saw what robberies he could do with a powerful gang like this and used it to its collapse just to get more money. You know he always mentions the Blackwater money and only really takes place in missions like robberies. It probably was an idea to turn Dutch in but he wanted more. If the Blackwater had gone good (at least get the money) he could just get his share and leave. Even from a robbery like valentine bank gets 2.5k to arthur. Would make more sense to get a few like 3-5k and leave or get lost. Even when we consider there was just too many members to share after dutch and micah getting the money back and even spending John gets a share as big as 20k. Dont forget sadie and charles. Thats more than 1k for dutchs head. He ratted because the robberies went bad and he couldnt really get much money.
i agree, or if the blackwater job went well, he would have probably pushed Dutch to do bigger jobs etc. Micah seems like the type of person to get a large sum of money but still want more, no matter how much he gets i dont think he would ever be satisfied.
Unpopular opinion but i think micha is one of the best characters in rdr (best as in well written and performed)
That’s because he is.
He’s so hated because he’s a good villain
I agree. They wanted you to not like him and it worked.
Bro that’s not unpopular , i think all gamers are agree on this
Fr i don't like Micah but he is one of best written and preformed villian a and that makes me respect him
I agree Micah is a survivor and plays all possible sides for his personal benefit. Maybe he had some bright idea about Dutch vs. Colm, or Dutch vs. Pinkertons with him right in the middle, but didn´t have abilities to execute things that way.
Anyway, I noticed that Micah is really afraid of death When Sean died, he talked too much and overacted his carelessness, and as Arthur's disease progressed, Micah became pretty scared of him. He knows he will meet a bad end, but he also knows, deeply inside, that he is a coward. He wants to be a calm psychopath (probably like his father was), but he isn´t. Micah is a ruthless killer without principles, but I (kind of) pity him because he never had a chance to be anything better.
Nah I disagree Micah doesn’t fear death at all. He obviously doesn’t want to die but he lives strictly by “kill or be killed” and loves chaos. When Sean died he’s the only one who immediately eliminated the threat while Arthur stood there shocked and Bill got shot in the arm. Even when Micah gets shot by Dutch he literally laughs and compliments Dutch before going out in a blaze of glory, and even after that he just turns around and shrugs before going down. He’s a psychopath through and through and never showed cowardice but never put himself in situations where the odds weren’t in his favor, like targeting Arthur until he was sick and weak
@@josephstalin2606i agree, he definitely didn’t fear death, he knew what he was, and he knew that eventually he would die because of his lifestyle he just didn’t know when.
It's pretty obvious that Micah was the rat. That's the whole entire purpose of his character in the story. The devs would have no reason to lie, and there is no evidence to suggest that Milton was lying about Micah. Micah's entire character is based on manipulation. He was smart to be the first person to suggest that there was a rat within the gang to Dutch, because Dutch would have eventually picked up on that anyways, and by being the first to bring it up, it somewhat takes Micah out of the pool of potential suspects in Dutch's mind. Molly also helps by suggesting that she was the rat, but in reality she was just in love and desperate for attention from Dutch. I'm sure after she did that, Micah was probably feeling really good about his hidden intentions. Micah would have been loyal to Dutch and the gang as long as it favored his way of life, and his safety. Once the Pinkertons start threatening to turn up the heat on the gang after the train heist, Micah is forced to make a deal to save his own skin. His loyalty only goes skin deep. If his skin is at risk, Micah will sell out his own family to survive.
You can find Dutches wanted poster in Micahs camp near Strawberry, I think Micahs plan originally was to get Dutch to run up his bounty as high as he could by suggesting all these crazy jobs to him that just brought more and more heat right when the gang should have been laying low, and then he was planning on collecting the bounty himself.
I can't see Micah as a parasite..he's the guy we love to hate however he had a point in the beginning. With those wagons, mouths to feed, your moving slow and working hard for those who dont or can't. Thats a good way to get killed. Would I watch him hang in strawberry? Yes..but would I also rob a bank or stage with him?..yes..he'd be a good gunman but you'd not trust him. He lives for him but he works hard at it. He dug his own grave years before rdr2, back when he rode with Amos and his father.
I always wondered why people got such a hate boner for Micah. From the perspective of the player he's hardly any worst than us when we play as Arthur. He kills and bullies innocent people, we kill and bully innocent people, he betrays people he barely knows, we betray people we barely know, etc etc. Plus he gives us a better gift than anyone in the game...a 2nd pistol holster! What did LITERALLY ANY OTHER CHARACTER do for us thats as cool as that?
He kills children thats enough for me to hate him but he is one of best character as a villian
I was wondering if Milton only wanted Dutch, and micah was a rat, then when how Micah and Dutch got the money from blackwater and how the hell Pinkertonsfor all this years between charpater 6 and epilogue haven't got them? I know that in the end they stayed on mountains by in the end of the game there's a scene that showes us that Pinkertons tracked dutch and micah (micah body) so if they still were chasing them what was the Micah's position? I don't believe that he was playing both sides for 8 years.
probably jus tried to disappear and distance himself after the gang fell apart and i think the pinkertons were probably looking for Dutch. since at the end of the game Micah says “a whole lotta folks making social calls” or something like that which makes me think Dutch came to him later and wasn’t with him the whole time. also dutch says “same as you i suppose” when John asks why hes there.
In my last play through Micah was in the scene where Milton confronts the gang, I’m a little confused how this happened
I was thinking a same thing
People here wrote that got changed in an update. Dunno if that's true though.
The gang didn't need a snitch, they snitch on themselves and any literally any competent tail would and could follow them without being noticed spying from a distance with a scope, just like we do as Aurther the gang isn't quiet they hardly hide and dutch is a virtual peacock wherever he goes and having people like bill and Micah with the go ahead to "make noise" they basically light a beacon straight to themselves, ultimately the rat was the gang themselves maybe Micah ratted or it was just a ploy to make a dying man feel worse. Remember almost all of the spots the gang hides out is open air extremely visible with members that are constantly coming and going AND they're hiding out in well known locations of previous gangs of the areas and they had the gual to believe they didn't have eyes on them the ENTIRE time.
I honestly believe Micah agent the whole time after he was broke out of strawberry I believe when he leaves Arthur saying he needed a gift for Dutch is when he was approached similar to how Arthur was and as he said he’s a survivor I also believe in the epilogue the Pinkertons knew if Micah created a gang and made a lot of noise it could draw Dutch out as agent Ross never gave up looking for him and was gonna use Micah as a lure
Arthur should have left Micah in the jail in Strawberry. I did after my first playthough
Micah is the real cowpoke
They hate my boy Micah but his the perfect example on how real outlaws was irl they didn’t care about sht but then self
No doubt in my mind Micah talked…but I think he was a rat at least as far back as Chapter 2.
With the Blackwater Massacre going so badly Micah must have known that his only chance to avoid prison or the noose was to cooperate with the Pinkertons. It was no longer strictly about money (although a cash incentive may have been offered) it was about receiving a full pardon.
This is only my speculation but the first time I played the game it struck me as odd that Micah was the only one wearing a white suit. Like he pops out big time versus anyone else…maybe when he told the Pinkertons about Hosea’s and Abi’s distraction the responding police would know their informant was the one wearing white.
At least tell after the shootout at Strawberry when it was likely the Sheriff would have sent word to the courts that they had Micah in custody.
I think something that's not talked about enough is how dutch manipulated the Indian tribe in the game and how much that effected arthurs views on his redemption I would love to see a vid about that
I was actually just going over that part of the 2nd game. Then I started debating on holding off on it to make it a bigger video showing Dutch’s continued manipulation of the natives in the second. Honestly, i may break em into two separate videos because the second game has enough to talk about for one
@@CynicGTAtwo vids‼️🫱🏾🫲🏽
Micah was not even with the gang long, he didn’t owe them loyalty. Blame Dutch for allowing it. Dutch had a way with words, but I’d argue so did Micah. He always knew what to do or say to keep Dutch on a string. Micah was far more intelligent than credited. He used Dutch’s mental weakness to his advantage. It’s always safer and smarter to roll with a gang than alone, no matter how tough you are. As long as he kept feeding Dutch’s ego, he had little to worry about. He quickly climbed his way up the ranks and was Dutch’s preferred man. He was calculated and more intelligent than given credit for.
I agree, Dutch had such a Messiah complex/ if he didnt go crazy and jus had an act from the start, probably assumed nobody could see through his act/ complex. so Micah was able to exploit that pretty well
Naw. Naw! Micha is a punk. You can sacrifice. You don't torture, be malicious, or cause undue suffering. No one has a code anymore. These are reasons you give that give clarity. But there is no excuse.
I think Micha was originally an O’Dtiscoll plant. He later turns to the Pinkerton plant after Colm is hanged. The Marstons however had been plants since John’s year long disappearance.
Micah so low down his own brother turned on him and disowned him. Even said he’d shoot him if he ever saw him. 😂😂😂😂😂
Very well put together, really enjoyed. There's 2 scene where the Pinkertons turn up at camp, one of which Micah is standing with the gang. For the life of me I can't figure out how to trigger it
It's after the Blood Feuds, Ancient and Modern mission, in the cutscene between finishing business at Braithwaite Manor, and where Arthur and John ride out to Shady Belle iirc
How do u come up with these questions?
Micah is in this scene where they all surround Dutch did the mission last night on a older version. I think they removed him in later versions.
I was genuinely on board til you called Micah’s colt double actions Schofield revolvers
Oh 1 hiccup 😂…fuck
@@CynicGTA I’ve got no doubt you can give an unbiased and well informed commentary on the story, Micah’s traits, flaws and history which shows the depth to him and the game. It’s just that a daft mistake like that leads me to believe the end result may be lacking in some ways.
I mean we see it from arthurs perspective what if we saw it and played it from his perspective would we feel the same
Micah has double-action revolvers, not schofield. Good video, though!
Micah is a heartless stone cold killer who will destroy and burn anyone and anything in his way to accomplish his goals of killing robbing and surviving
Micah saw the writing on the wall and, yes, he is a survivalist, in a sense. He saw how Dutch at least feigned care for those around him, he saw the gang's earning potential, and everyone in the gang's proclivities to helping those around them. He knew there would be a moment he could seize to take the profits for himself, the men that showed up with him in the final chapter could have very well been following the gang the whole time, waiting for a signal to ingratiate themselves before they heisted the gang's money. The gang was a mark for him, pure and simple.
Which makes him an even better wrote villain much deeper than the surface level crassness and racism. I think alot of players look at Micah as "racist man bad"; but, he is FAR more complex than that and as far as developed characters go, he's my favorite of the game: because I TRULY HATED HIM. He's a viper in a den of wolves.
I've never bought the theory that Milton lied, and it's because he doesn't need to. Milton believes he's in full control of the situation and that Dutch's gang can never beat him. He has a sick and dying Arthur in his sights and has absolutely no reason to deceive, but the perfect opportunity to display his superiority before taking Arthur's life and reveal who the real traitor was, like a villain revealing his master plan.
Beyond that, there's no way Micah trusted the law with his well-being over Dutch. He likely gave them no more information that what was necessary to survive. He's still the world's biggest rat but he wouldn't trust the Pinkertons to let him walk away either.
Exactly. Milton didn't know he'd even die in that moment, and likely wouldn't have if Arthur didn't cut into Abigail's bonds. He knew for a fact that the only winners in that scenario were himself and the agency. Letting Arthur feel defeat right before sending him to the grave with that information was probably a form of displaying superiority, much like you said.
If he was lying, why exactly would he just let Arthur WALK out of there? Especially when he's killed every agent in town, alone, and barely hanging onto life by a thread.
plus at the beginning of the game Milton doesn’t even know Johns name, someone who has been with the gang since he was a young boy. How would he know Micah’s name if he recently joined and didn’t have the same authority or presence in the gang as Arthur atleast not till the end.
MICAH IS THE RAT i hate it when people come up with these ridiculous theories if Micah wasnt the rat Rockstar wouldn't of made him the antagonist and Rockstar also wouldnt have Milton confirming it
Exactly. When Milton told Arthur that Milton was the rat he had no reason to lie since Arthur the most dangerous member of Dutch's gang was a sick and dying man and the Pinkertons have already had a raid planned on the gangs camp. From Miltons perspective he won and was just trying to toy with Arthur before he killed him.
I think he had the poster before he met Dutch. He was possibly looking to turn him in for the bounty or heard of him and was looking to team up like he did. I do definitely think he always kept an escape plan ready where he could play whichever side he needed to at the time. I agree with you on how he played his rat card. Not necessarily giving up how high up the chain he was in the gang and just feeding enough information to keep him in their good graces. I think in the end he wanted to get his hands on the money and by placating Dutch and driving a wedge between Dutch and Arthur or anyone else not blindly following he felt he could accomplish that goal. I do believe Micah is the true villain in the story.
I always assumed Micah knew about Dutch before meeting him and found him to join the gang, and convince Dutch to do bigger and worse heists to increase the bounty on Dutch because$1000 wasn’t enough and he wanted to make the bounty go up to turn him in
That’s a great deduction. I was always wondering why a parasite like Micah wants to be around a Gang that fights for an ideal and care about people.
Not to mention that is the perfect reason why Micah wants to work with Dutch again at the end. Not only Micah can turn Dutch in at a higher bounty but also keep the Blackwater money.
Hello there friend! Thought I might chime in with a friendly correction:
@1:42 you mentioned Micah’s revolvers which you referred to as “Schofields” but they are actually Colt M1892 Navy & Army double action revolvers. The Schofield was a single action break barrel revolver which was a modified version of the S&W Model 3 after a suggestion from Major George Schofield who wanted a revolver that was easier for the Calvary to reload on horseback.
Much love from the South, friend! 🇺🇸
I don’t think Micah even really knew what side he was on. I mean all of the gang’s problems can explained without Micah even being a rat. The Colm mission you can see that Colm had scouts on them, and clearly saw 3 riders. Of course they would be looking for the third guy when only two show up to the meeting. I think it just worked out in Colm’s favor, and he just said it was his plan to catch Arthur so that if it worked out in the end Arthur would get hanged and die feeling abandoned, like his loyalty to Dutch meant nothing. I think Micah getting caught after Guarma, Milton just says he’s been a “good boy.” I’m sure they questioned Micah, but I don’t think he gave them any information they didn’t already have.
God, thanks, have the same opinion on this whole bullcrap. As Arthur said "We don't need a rat".
why would Milton lie? what would he have gained from that, i know this is more towards the beginning of the game but they didn’t even know Johns name who has been with the gang since he was a young boy. Milton probably knew his full name because they were working together. i could be wrong tho
I like how you conveniently ignore the fact that Micah was nowhere to be seen when the O'Driscolls attacked Shady Belle
True enough
he probably jus forgot, but yeah Micah is definitely up to no good
1:40 Micah had two engraved double-action revolvers, just so it's out there
Schofield top-breaks have a very distinct humpback look
16:14 Now lets not confuse selfishness with survival here. Temperamental and hot headed okay but selfish doesn't belong. It's generous to be a survivor. It keeps you safe so that you can still serve or work with others. It also allows you a defense mechanism so that you can move without fear. It's how one uses survival that makes the difference. Do you expose people when you can so that you survive better when they are not a threat at all? Or do you safeguard that persons information and help them become better or trust that they will in time? I've done both and I prefer the safeguarding option. We moved from my home state Texas in 2003 and up until my high school days there was a lot of mutual misunderstandings. Then in college my senate service changed everything. I got to serve well and after that begun environmental work. I have since found out no one was mad at me in the first place. I'm now poised to continue to serve and enter leadership again. Micah seems to prefer to use info to expose people and never really got a way out which is often what happens. This makes me lucky as ever to have gotten out!
No one cares about your life!! Quite being a youtube philosopher it's a video game
nah hes pretty selfish, this the definition (of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure. which is exactly what he does, he doesn’t care about what happens to anyone but himself. he constantly talks about the blackwater money because hes greedy. i mean all the gang members are in a sense. ALSO awesome stuff man! im glad to hear everything worked out for you despite your struggles. you are super strong for that! hope u have a great day :)
@@NashTheInsomniac Thank you for that!
9:16 , when Milton & Ross meet the gang, I had the idea that in my playthroughts Micah was in the scene and in this video ' ruclips.net/video/0fwwvGiSCDs/видео.html ' u can see Micah between Sadie and Pearson, but for some reason, in other videos he doesn't apear
The biggest flaw in the story is the mission when Micah has Dutch and Arthur with Cornwall and Milton in Annesburg and he inexplicably fights his “teammates” as opposed to turning them both in and running off.
Because why tip his hat then? The game would be over at that point. It’s to stretch out the gameplay and story
For his credibility.
If you don't have a choice to kill someone you don't laugh after killing that person
I don't think enough people realize how after he egged Dutch and Arthur to meet with the O'driscoll Colm literally said the plan was for the whole gang to roll in and the Pinkertons capture Dutch that was a little fishy to me when I was doing another play through
@@broKen73484If Micah did do that, that would give the Pinkertons Colm and Dutch and both their gangs. Far more valuable than Micah hanging.
@@broKen73484 it's not at all. Which part are you having trouble with? The context? Or your own stupidity?
@@broKen73484 nah the way micah walked away when arthur returned to camp after escaping colm, he obviously made a deal with colm to kill arthur because he was the biggest obstacle when it came to his original plan to kill dutch
@@broKen73484 him having dutch's wanted poster makes me think he wants to kill dutch but idk tho
Idk just cause that was Colms plan doesnt mean that Micah was in on that part. Could be that the double crosser got double crossed himself and Colm was intending to betray Micah.
I think we should have left him in Strawberry.
Micah isn’t much different from Michael in GTA V
The "survivor" speech Michael gives if you choose ending A is very reminiscent of Micahs speeches too
@@botflyguy7814 That’s why I said it! I chose ending A in my first playthrough. Hate myself for it too
Milton would have no need to lie to Arthur because one he never lied the entire time they have talked and 2 Milton is well aware at that point that Arthur is dying which is why there is no need for him to lie because he holds all the cards Abigal he believes is tied up and he has a weakened Arthur morgan in front of him it would not be surprising that Milton with his ego would tell a dying man whats goibg on before he died
Schofield? You mean double action?
1:43 aren't those double action revolvers, Dutch is the one who has Schoefield revolvers or however it's spelled
Micah Bell dont have schofields revolvers but He has double action revolvers. Nice vid
Yeah he was playing both the gang and the pinkertons for himself
Nit pick but micahs revolves are custom doable action revolvers not schofields, dutch uses schofields
I never truly understand why aurthurs bounty is higher then dutch's is, I guess cuz aurthur did more of the work then dutch, but idk it's weird lol
on god, unless Milton was lying jus to get Arthur to cave
I sorry but 1:40 those are double action revolvers
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that!
How does Milton know to Blame Micha as the Rat? If he doesn't know the names of the gang members that we'll that assumes he doesn't know the inner workings of the gang. Perhaps Milton was trying to make them feel safe by pretending he didn't know who they were? Or was pertecting Micha?
yeah it’s strange that he didn’t know Johns name someone who has been raised by the gang since he was a young boy but knew Micahs
Look at all the close minded people in the comments completely dashing the "open discussion" to reinforce the all-time popular opinion that micah is nothing but a rat and stand with the hate, not even aware that this is just an hypothesis
What drives me crazy is that we save him in the story from being hanged then he does us like that 😡
People over complicate it a lot. Why do criminals and gang members rat in real life? To get momentary amnesty to save their skin. That is Micah’s whole character, he says it “a survivor”
Great Vids
What if Dutch was the rat the whole time? Like the guy in The Departed
Arthur: DUTCH YOU’RE THE RAT DUTCH!!
1:45 quick correction miccahs guns are a pair double action revolvers not shofields like dutch
Micah carried a pair double-action revolvers, not Schofield's. This is otherwise a well constructed and edited video. 👍
I hear so many people thinking Micah told the pinkertons about the bank robbery and honestly that makes no sense to me and I’m glad to hear someone not echoing that same idea and bringing new information to the table
Low honour Arthur is also much more concerned with trying to survive. funny thing if you help people im the world their are random encounters were Micah will warn Arthur about helping folk.
I love this guy's videos black lung
Those weren't Schofield revolvers that Micah had. They were the RDR2 version of double action revolvers which, unfortunately, do not allow you to fire as fast as you can pull the triggers on the controller the way the ones in RDR do.
Their not "Rockstars" version. They are Colt M1892 revolvers
@@BanzaiRUclipsChannel I didn't say they were "Rockstars" version. I said they were the RDR2 version as opposed to the RDR version and I explained the difference.
@@backforblood3421i swear when i see people come to their own conclusions about comments when what you were saying is very clear. jus dont read the comment fully and are already looking for something to disagree with.
3:00 background music?
Micah wanted to destroy the gang after chapter 5 in another chapters he tried to help the gang and in a camp event we can see micah giving money to pearson so he can buy some food
I always found it more interesting for micah to be an asshole that looked up to you in a weird way, for your strength then slowly losing respect for you as you got sick and only THEN fully abandoning the gang after leeching everything out of everybody, when the going was good.....
Then simply him ALWAYS being in it only for himself and just fucking over the gang just like that. Sure it might be more realistic, but i think it takes away some layers of his character like that, because....
Hes either a slimy hateable, lonely scumbag barely clinging to the gang for survival/ comraderie that isnt given to him (cause he's a p.o.s)
Or he was only in it for money. Thats it. Nothin else.
I mean, Dutch kinda WAS only in it for the money (and the control i guess) and i find him interesting because of that, but micah being like that too only makes them both kinda worse by comparison.
If there's one thing that would've made Micah more interesting is if he had a redemption arc and a different, more likeable character turned out to be the traitor so that the betrayal actually surprised and shocked players.
I feel John's the traitor. Look at the situations he finds himself in, he always survives AND he is the only one taken alive after the bank heist, Abigail and Jack also magically escape unscathed .....think about it
@@thatenglishgentlemanokay Dutch
@@thatenglishgentlemanit is kinda sus tho i wont lie
Nope I didn't misunderstand this rat's betrayal at all he did it for no reason from coaxing Dutch to do the blackwater robbery which messed up badly to getting in trouble with the law getting beaten up arrested and being saved by Arthur because of Dutch demanding his rescue resulting in a lot of officers deaths to then slowly unravelling taking crap taking advantage of Dutch getting Molly killed taking the mick out of Arthur when he fell ill as well as taking Arthur's life then getting finally ditched by Dutch as well as getting demolished by Dutch and John in the epilogue this snake got what he deserved all he did was yap yap yap.
he did have a reason tho, for personal gain and survival, trust me i hate Micah just as much as the next guy. but he definitely had his reasons. not to mention the fact we play from Arthurs POV where we see the gang as family because he was raised by and with them. Micah joins somewhat recently and especially after Guarma can see the decline in the gang and he didnt wanna get caught up in that
I'm not going to lie my first playthrough was dual Scofield's
It's a double action
Kieran literally tortured will stand by the gang I trust him more than Micah ever
poor Kieran didn’t deserve to die :( he just wanted a place to call home
A survivor doesn’t explain the unnecessary risks Micah takes. Look at the massacre at Strawberry after we unfortunately have to rescue Micah and try to write that off as “surviving”. Unraveling an at the time strong game is not survival either. He’s cancerous and parasitic.
IMO when Micah says "I'm a survivor' is all the proof I need for him being a rat.
1:39 Micah had Double-Action Revolvers.
Dutch had the Schofield
Although this is a fun video, it does not change my mind that Micah was straight up evil and opportunistic. He is one of the few charactera who are not grey.
You did noy played the game even once don't you? When we go with sadie to rescue tilly the pimkerton dude tells us when exactly micah betrayed us
11:12 idk why that made me laugh so much 😂
Rip Van Winkle :)
Micah had no business being in a Gang that operated under the premise of Family; especially not one composed of Blacks/Native Americans, the Irish, Women and a Child. He liked Dutch's grand scheming, and wanted the rewards of any/all association with Dutch, for himself. Dutch's greatest folly was confusing Micah's saving his life (one time...) as being the same as Micah giving him loyalty or love. Dutch is a "Collector" of people; he thought he could "collect" Micah the same way he did Arthur, John or Javier, and it turned into his ruin. And the people he found he genuinely couldn't live without (Hosea and Arthur), he didn't find out until it was too late.
I honestly didn't hate Micah on my first playthrough. There were multiple times where he tried to connect with the gang and they pushed him away. I genuinely can't blame the guy for betraying them. Especially since Micah actually likes the gang, specifically Arthur and Dutch. Anyone who is a fighter in his eyes really. He would've liked Charles, Lenny, and Javier if he wasn't racist.
Idk, I never really like Micah (although, who does,) but not in the way everyone else dislikes him. Micah's obviously not supposed to be liked, he's evil and annoying; but to me, he was just too evil and annoying. He was the fall-guy for why everything went wrong.
I'd prefer a game without a villain like Micah, instead seeing a game where it's just Dutch himself becoming more depraved and more unhinged as civilization's closing-in on the gang. There's not some evil advisor constantly whispering in Dutch's ear and turning him to the dark side.
Granted, Dutch was always dark, and the mask of charisma that had always covered his face is finally starting to slip even before the death of Hosea, but they should've played into it even more. I know the game kinda takes this course, but it also somewhat redeems Dutch at the end by having recognize just how much a snake Micah actually was before finally killing him.
Dutch should've been the villain, the one who destroys the gang: perhaps partly out of losing Hosea, partly from suffering a concussion, and partly just because he was always a wicked conman who was gonna destroy everyone around him once the pressure of the law was really on.
The gang should've been destroyed primarily by Dutch, Bill, and Javier, along with the encroaching, suffocating force of the 20th century. It would've given a deeper meaning to John's quest to hunt down his old gang beyond just rescuing his family from the federal government and getting petty revenge for a personal betrayal. The primary dynamic of Dutch's gang should've been centered around the characters who should've led it: Dutch, advised by Bill, Javier, and John, with Hosea, Micah, and Arthur perhaps reduced to more secondary characters if in the game at all. This would've given a new wind to John's campaign of vengeance, since all the other leaders could've sided with an increasingly-insane Dutch over a John who was trying to get the gang to come to its senses. After living though Dutch, Bill, and Javier destroying his first home, John vows not to let American law enforcement destroy his second.
I know it's not a popular opinion, especially since I myself also love Arthur and Hosea (and Arthur's ability to swim,) but it would've made the most sense to lean into the characters provided in RDR as much as possible, instead of focusing on new ones which the characters in the original game somehow never mention, even though they were far more pivotal to the events than men like Javier and Bill were. I know Javier and Bill were the ones who were actually still alive when RDR started, but more would've been mentioned of Arthur and Hosea long after they died.
You presume that Micah has possessed the wanted poster for Dutch, found at his camp, since before he ever met Dutch. You argue the best opportunity Micah had to betray Dutch was "right there in that bar during their initial encounter." But if the poster came later, then Micah would not have known at the time Dutch was worth $1000 during their initial encounter. And thus, could not have been motivated by it. It is even possible that Dutch had no price on his head at the time, or a far smaller one closer to like $50 - $75 where the vast majority of the bounties you chase in the game sit. The leader of the Lemoyne Raiders gang was only worth about $250 as I recall. None of the bounties come anywhere close to $1000. The poster could very well have been, and probably was, a later addition to his possessions, along with the notion to collect on it. After he joined the gang. He might have had it before Blackwater, I believe, but I am far less confident he and Dutch meeting up with each other initially had anything to do with that poster. It's possible I suppose, but I think it improbable.
Here's why. What did Dutch do, and when, to get a $1000 price on his head? That's huge. Two orders of magnitude larger than almost every bounty you come across while playing. It would take a monstrous event of some kind to get that. Something on the scale of Blackwater. That poster is evidence that Micah may have potentially returned to Blackwater after the massacre and picked it up there. I conclude this because of the real possibility that there existed no posters of Dutch offering that kind of money before that boat. Did Arthur have a $5000 price on his head before Blackwater, or only afterward? And then again only after taking out Cornwall's train in the Grizzlys too. I suspect it got raised that high because of Blackwater and nothing else except maybe also after hitting Cornwall who had the cash to put up such numbers. So, like maybe the gov't put up $1000 and then Cornwall bumped it up even more to $5000 when he got involved. Likewise for Dutch and Hosea too. The premise of this part of your argument relies completely upon a probable mistaken presumption. The one thing that poster tells me is that Micah definitely courted the idea of collecting on it at some point. Whenever that was, it had to be after Dutch did something like Blackwater to earn it. And I don't think that was the case when Micah & Dutch first met, or frankly at any time before Blackwater. Dutch is special and unique among all the outlaws because of Blackwater alone. It's the only event where he could have earned a $1000 bounty.
Having said all that, there is also the possibility that Micah had another poster for Dutch that wasn't lucrative enough for his tastes, and so the whole manipulation of Dutch regarding Blackwater was a scheme to convert Dutch into a much more attractive bounty target. And the poster is an indication of his progress in that scheme, replacing the lesser one that originally drew him in. One thing Micah was very proficient at was wrapping Dutch around his fingers. Dutch, on his best day, could not out scheme Micah on his worst. He recognized this from the start. I think it also likely that Micah was surprised by the size of the Blackwater score. I think they all were, even including the citizenry and the law and the other gangs. It was ten times more than anybody imagined any gang would ever get. And he changed his plans accordingly to obtain as big a piece of it as he could manage...eventually succeeding in getting it all, and rendering the wanted poster valueless.
Blackwater kicked off a lot of stuff. It would not be surprising to learn Micah formulated a new scheme because of it too. Who knows, if the Blackwater score had been crap instead of glorious, then maybe Micah would have just turned on the gang immediately instead of embedding himself like a tick into Dutch's good graces with all his phony loyalty. I believe the only thing that Micah was ever interested in throughout the entire story was the Blackwater loot. Even the final tally at Beaver Hollow was a mere fraction of the Blackwater score. Everything was a plot to let him get at it once the gang obtained it. I also think splintering the gang was a key component of that plot. Fewer mouths to feed also means, necessarily, more food for you.
If he was just a "survivor" he could just leave in multiple opportunities
Even after being captured by the pinkertons. He could rat to survive and then disappear
But no, he went back to camp and stayed there. Getting himself in extremely dangerous jobs. Actually, he was the one who pushed Dutch on doing those jobs, jobs against Cornwall and the Pinkertons.
Did he really thought the pinkertons would not shoot him in those chaotic shootouts? Or just bring on the fact that they made a deal?
More than a survivor, Micah is a greedy, dirty and sadistic. Survivor is the last personality trait listed on his rpg sheet
I am starting to think that Miach is a lot smarter then we give him credit for. I already thought that wanted poster for Dutch was before the events of RDR2 but the double agent part would make sense for someone who claims to be a "survivor." Either then that it's possible Micah had an elaborate plan the whole time.
Personally I think there were multiple rats, Shawn during his capture, Abigail when you look at her character, I think even Hosea opened his mouth and that’s how Abigail got away. Just a theory
Micah is the epitome of a rat. Snitches aren't just people who see something bad being done and inform the police. A snitch is someone who helps commit a crime and then tells on others when HE gets caught. I originally just assumed Micah was always snitching the whole time which is why the Pinkertons always found them, but I'm not so sure after multiple playthroughs and hearing other opinions. I don't think Micah is loyal to anyone but himself. He probably saw a lot of opportunity that benefited himself in following and using Dutch and his gang. Once he got caught though, he folded up like a bad poker hand
Those aint schofields