This has been on my "watch later" playlist for years and I finally got around to watching it. The contrasting with Plato's philosophy really helped me understand this stuff better. Normally metaphysics is my least favourite kind of philosophy because I just have a hard time agreeing with it. But Aztec philosophy just makes sense to me for some reason. The idea that there's no distinction between the sacred and the profane, that opposites are in constant struggle but one will never eliminate the other, that everything's interconnected and in constant flux (that part kinda reminds me of Heraclitus, a pre-Socratic philosopher). It just seems like a worldview that actually makes a lot of sense and is easy to defend. Our society would be really different if it were based on this rather than Western philosophy. Only thing I found kind of annoying was Mafie's tendency to refer to Indigenous peoples in the past tense, as if they're not still around and don't still believe these things.
He broke this down SO SIMPLY AMD EFFORTLESSLY!!!! I really like this. I’m gonna read more into Aztec philosophy. It is so interesting! Thank you so much!!!!
Tlatso-Teotl = sacred shit Because shit is just as essential to life as everything else, so of course, it is sacred. Mind blown, thank you for this brilliant lecture!
For Nahuatl I would suggest Sr. Genaro Medina Ramos. For pretty accurate understanding of Teotl you can look up a talk at nahuatl lessons talk on ometeotl. Better source in spanish would be the Temachtiani Ocelocoatl. Another would be talk given here by Andres Segura the video you can look up under The Path of Quetzalcoatl which is translated into english. A great web site in spanish is the forums in Azcatl-Tezozomoc. Maffie is accurate that we don't have gods and is closeto understanding teotl.
I can’t find the talk on ometeotl you mentioned. Can you post the link here or tell us where we might find it. Hablo español si es mas conveniente. Saludos y espero tu respuesta. Buen dia
Sr. Genaro Medina Ramos is a fluent speaker of the language and has a coarse online for free. Azcatl-Tezozomoc also has a web site with many forums on the culture if you really want to understand. It will take a lot of work and time to correct what has been written about the native people of Mexico. One of the biggest lies is that we had all of these gods. Within the structure of the Mexica there was a woman called Tlazolteotl that healed by conversation. Kind of old school therapist.
I do wish Maffie would respond to this point (he does know the language and has lived with the Nahuas). The etymological account he gives here is the same one that Octavio Paz gives in The Labyrinth of Solitude, so if your suggestion is correct, then you are suggesting that a rather standard account is inaccurate (and so important for scholarly reasons). I don’t understand why you parsed the root -teotl out of your account, however. Isn’t “tlazo- ” the prefix?
Right off the bat, the terminology you used at 2:12 is very incorrect. You said, [and implied] somehow the word was invented by a modern precursor for Nahuatl studies, but of course, the word Aztec means "People of the White Heron Bird," and perhaps was used by various Chichimec groups in ancient times. Reading this, (and the theory has been applied to a couple of authors including William Prescott), some authors simply chose to apply the attractive term Aztec to all Nahuatl peoples as a courteous generalization. But of course, as the Chichimec mythology states, the Mexica had come to a crossroads and were commanded to change their name to Mexica, and no longer call themselves Aztecs as a point of separation from an evil opposing tribe. The thing about it is, of course, is that it is only a myth, and the word Mexica more likely seems to be an abbreviation of "Mexico," where areas "Aztec" is an abbreviation of the place name "Aztlan" (The Place of White Herons).
Actually Tlazolteotl comes from tlazotla meaning love and teotl meaning energy. So in short energy of love. NOT SACRED SHIT. or filth. Excrement is cuitlatl. 4 million people in Mexico still speak nahuatl and our knowledge is still preserved. If you can't even translate something as simple as a common word, how can you explain teotl. Funny how this can get cleared up if you actually understand simple things like the language or even talking to the actual people that know.
hey.. atleast this is up here, and your comment is here.. this is good that atleast the topic is being looked at academically again.. of course there are going to be slip ups here and there, but the fact that academics are looking into aztec philosophy is good.. even if mistakes are made, the fact that the conversation is happening (hopefully) means that other academics will do their job.. (talking to surviving nahuas today and thoroughly review nahuatl and post conquest accounts(not all of the white devil were stereotypical movie villians.. some actually made an effort to record the customs of indigenous people, their motives were misguided.. a sort of "to convert the heathen, first you must understand the heathen.." kinda thing.. but given the general ignorance of humanity, you take what you can get..), would be a good start)
There is literal translation and there is implied meaning (metaphorical, if you will). Are you saying his explanation was entirely inaccurate? Or was it only his choice of translation that was inaccurate? Just wondering. I found this particular area interesting, as someone who worked with worm farms (worm poo), chicken tractors (chicken poo) and composing toilets (human poo) in the past. These are important, if not critical elements of permaculture (taboo as they may seem at first blush). Would be cool to know that the Aztecs encoded such ecological detail into their belief system.
@atltlachinolli2652 i think your wrong and actually helped prove his point about duality. Tazolli means vice and diseases. and has the same root as tlazotla. Makes more sense now having the contrasts. the dude know his shit. history needs third party interpretations and perspectives to fully grasp the entire concept. not influence but interpretations.
Claims to be but are not. The jesuit/catholic faith, masonic "faith" and satanism is not "christian". That is what is on top but yet on bottom in america. order out of chaos and the end justifies the means and deep rooted racism. What is christianity is some of the orthodox/protestant-societies and they are never guilty of crimes
You have missed the point of this lecture. True Aztecs committed horrible violent ritualized crimes but that does not mean their culture was not valuable. Aztecs are the ancestors of Indigenous Mexicans. Aztecs are an interesting people they were technologically advanced, a written language and had a good military. True, Human Sacrifice is a great crime but that is not the only thing that defines being an Aztec. All Cultures commit terrible crimes that does not make the Aztecs the Good Guys. It makes the Aztecs Humans.
@@covenawhite4855 The point is that some influental so called modern people these days over value their view of religion-life and death as something sacred and prophetic (mayan calendar "end of the world" etc) yet all of it belongs to the same cathegory as NWO with the new world religion horoscope-zodiac, "predicting the future by watching the planets", sacrificing children etc which belongs to Babylon. That is why it is important to not put an "ancient, magical, prophetic" layer on the aztecs world view
How does he know this ? No substantial sources provided. All is his interpretations/views. Academical/intellectual poor performance. Support your claims/proposition. Or keep quiet.
This has been on my "watch later" playlist for years and I finally got around to watching it. The contrasting with Plato's philosophy really helped me understand this stuff better. Normally metaphysics is my least favourite kind of philosophy because I just have a hard time agreeing with it. But Aztec philosophy just makes sense to me for some reason. The idea that there's no distinction between the sacred and the profane, that opposites are in constant struggle but one will never eliminate the other, that everything's interconnected and in constant flux (that part kinda reminds me of Heraclitus, a pre-Socratic philosopher). It just seems like a worldview that actually makes a lot of sense and is easy to defend. Our society would be really different if it were based on this rather than Western philosophy. Only thing I found kind of annoying was Mafie's tendency to refer to Indigenous peoples in the past tense, as if they're not still around and don't still believe these things.
It's a scientific philosophy/religion based on the cosmos and the natural world.
.. and yes, Aztec people are very much alive. ☠️
He broke this down SO SIMPLY AMD EFFORTLESSLY!!!! I really like this. I’m gonna read more into Aztec philosophy. It is so interesting! Thank you so much!!!!
Keep in mind that this a ethnic based religion. James Maffie isn't an Aztec priest or ethnically Aztec.
Tlatso-Teotl = sacred shit
Because shit is just as essential to life as everything else, so of course, it is sacred.
Mind blown, thank you for this brilliant lecture!
For Nahuatl I would suggest Sr. Genaro Medina Ramos.
For pretty accurate understanding of Teotl you can look up a talk at nahuatl lessons talk on ometeotl.
Better source in spanish would be the Temachtiani Ocelocoatl. Another would be talk given here by Andres Segura the video you can look up under The Path of Quetzalcoatl which is translated into english. A great web site in spanish is the forums in Azcatl-Tezozomoc. Maffie is accurate that we don't have gods and is closeto understanding teotl.
I can’t find the talk on ometeotl you mentioned. Can you post the link here or tell us where we might find it. Hablo español si es mas conveniente. Saludos y espero tu respuesta. Buen dia
For ppl looking for it: here's part II ruclips.net/video/u-Uu8-LngEI/видео.html
Would be amazing if it were added to the description
Excellent presentation.
This is utterly fascinating.
The best lecture on their philosophy wow!!!!
Zarathustra is pleased by such thoughts
Wonderful.
drat video cuts out right when Maffle hits the good part! thanks for posting this part though.
This is a fantastic lecture, would be great if we could get more of him.
Makes more sense to me than the Western cosmology
Great lecture 🤌
Sr. Genaro Medina Ramos is a fluent speaker of the language and has a coarse online for free. Azcatl-Tezozomoc also has a web site with many forums on the culture if you really want to understand. It will take a lot of work and time to correct what has been written about the native people of Mexico. One of the biggest lies is that we had all of these gods. Within the structure of the Mexica there was a woman called Tlazolteotl that healed by conversation. Kind of old school therapist.
Fascinating, thank you for sharing, very similar to Heraclitus at least on the surface.
That was amazing! Where's the rest?
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Very interesting and fresh viewpoint
What a smart guy
wow amazing
Amazingly helpful! Thanks :)
now is up
Maybe Native American philosophy can somehow break us out of our current Philosophy projection from the Greeks and Israelites.
Is there a way that I can get the a copy of this video for personal archival purposes.
Please respond. I would highly appreciate it.
The biggest mind fuck is Teotl is trying to teach Teotl what Teotl is.
Teotl seems similar to Logos
That would limit teotl, so, while Logos is an aspect of teotl, teotl is not only Logos.
I do wish Maffie would respond to this point (he does know the language and has lived with the Nahuas). The etymological account he gives here is the same one that Octavio Paz gives in The Labyrinth of Solitude, so if your suggestion is correct, then you are suggesting that a rather standard account is inaccurate (and so important for scholarly reasons). I don’t understand why you parsed the root -teotl out of your account, however. Isn’t “tlazo- ” the prefix?
Am I the only one that think he sounds like Mike Myers' Dr.Evil persona?
And you base this one?
16:30 important
Teotl
Where the f is th rest! Don't tease bro!
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Right off the bat, the terminology you used at 2:12 is very incorrect. You said, [and implied] somehow the word was invented by a modern precursor for Nahuatl studies, but of course, the word Aztec means "People of the White Heron Bird," and perhaps was used by various Chichimec groups in ancient times. Reading this, (and the theory has been applied to a couple of authors including William Prescott), some authors simply chose to apply the attractive term Aztec to all Nahuatl peoples as a courteous generalization. But of course, as the Chichimec mythology states, the Mexica had come to a crossroads and were commanded to change their name to Mexica, and no longer call themselves Aztecs as a point of separation from an evil opposing tribe. The thing about it is, of course, is that it is only a myth, and the word Mexica more likely seems to be an abbreviation of "Mexico," where areas "Aztec" is an abbreviation of the place name "Aztlan" (The Place of White Herons).
Actually Tlazolteotl comes from tlazotla meaning love and teotl meaning energy.
So in short energy of love.
NOT SACRED SHIT. or filth.
Excrement is cuitlatl.
4 million people in Mexico still speak nahuatl and our knowledge is still preserved.
If you can't even translate something as simple as a common word, how can you explain teotl.
Funny how this can get cleared up if you actually understand simple things like the language or even talking to the actual people that know.
hey.. atleast this is up here, and your comment is here.. this is good that atleast the topic is being looked at academically again.. of course there are going to be slip ups here and there, but the fact that academics are looking into aztec philosophy is good.. even if mistakes are made, the fact that the conversation is happening (hopefully) means that other academics will do their job.. (talking to surviving nahuas today and thoroughly review nahuatl and post conquest accounts(not all of the white devil were stereotypical movie villians.. some actually made an effort to record the customs of indigenous people, their motives were misguided.. a sort of "to convert the heathen, first you must understand the heathen.." kinda thing.. but given the general ignorance of humanity, you take what you can get..), would be a good start)
Hey brother, can you point me in the direction to where to learn more
There is literal translation and there is implied meaning (metaphorical, if you will). Are you saying his explanation was entirely inaccurate? Or was it only his choice of translation that was inaccurate?
Just wondering. I found this particular area interesting, as someone who worked with worm farms (worm poo), chicken tractors (chicken poo) and composing toilets (human poo) in the past. These are important, if not critical elements of permaculture (taboo as they may seem at first blush).
Would be cool to know that the Aztecs encoded such ecological detail into their belief system.
@atltlachinolli2652 i think your wrong and actually helped prove his point about duality. Tazolli means vice and diseases. and has the same root as tlazotla. Makes more sense now having the contrasts. the dude know his shit. history needs third party interpretations and perspectives to fully grasp the entire concept. not influence but interpretations.
Thats why they sacrificed children..because all is ”the same energy” which is total bs
Claims to be but are not. The jesuit/catholic faith, masonic "faith" and satanism is not "christian". That is what is on top but yet on bottom in america. order out of chaos and the end justifies the means and deep rooted racism. What is christianity is some of the orthodox/protestant-societies and they are never guilty of crimes
You were not listening
You have missed the point of this lecture. True Aztecs committed horrible violent ritualized crimes but that does not mean their culture was not valuable. Aztecs are the ancestors of Indigenous Mexicans. Aztecs are an interesting people they were technologically advanced, a written language and had a good military. True, Human Sacrifice is a great crime but that is not the only thing that defines being an Aztec. All Cultures commit terrible crimes that does not make the Aztecs the Good Guys. It makes the Aztecs Humans.
@@covenawhite4855 The point is that some influental so called modern people these days over value their view of religion-life and death as something sacred and prophetic (mayan calendar "end of the world" etc) yet all of it belongs to the same cathegory as NWO with the new world religion horoscope-zodiac, "predicting the future by watching the planets", sacrificing children etc which belongs to Babylon. That is why it is important to not put an "ancient, magical, prophetic" layer on the aztecs world view
@@Currentnoise , excuse me, what culture are you part of to make you feel so superior?
This is gibberish, he's rambling like a drunk
Verbose bs/speculation with no substance to back it up the claims/propositions.
How does he know this ? No substantial sources provided. All is his interpretations/views. Academical/intellectual poor performance. Support your claims/proposition. Or keep quiet.