Ram HD DualSport SC Suspension
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2017
- There is certainly no shortage of niche truck suspensions in the aftermarket these days, each one designed for a certain type of customer. There are suspensions that can make your truck look like the ultimate desert racer. There are show truck suspensions that provide massive amounts of lift and eye-catching components. There are even truck suspensions that are designed purely for rock crawling. However, what about a well-engineered, properly tuned suspension system that is designed for the people who rely on their truck every day in the real world? What about all the people who want to install larger tires on their truck without sacrificing payload, ride quality or handling?
This was the inspiration behind the AEV 3” DualSport Suspension System for the 2014+ Ram 2500/3500. We wanted to design the ultimate “real world” suspension system -one that allows greater performance off-road, while also improving driver comfort and vehicle handling characteristics on the road and maintaining the factory load carrying capacity. Dave Harriton goes into detail on why we created this suspension system and the benefits of using it. 
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Just purchased a 2023 AEV Prospector XL and I love it, everything he explained I can attest to it as I use mine as an every day driver!!!
Thanks for sharing your great video and the upgraded suspension, steering, wheel and tire package system(s) gives the truck the looks that it deserves, and the added performance from these upgrades is a serious bonus to the overall package.
Great and needed video to help people understand what this lift is all about!
This lift is well thought out, can't wait to get one for my 2500. Keeping the factory rake somewhat is important if you still want to tow
Thanks AEV! I'm a fan.
I really love this product. That fact that you make these products just for mopar is why I like you company. I have a 2016 ram 2500 Cummins and I plan on getting the front bumper and the Salta wheels. The bumper is one of the best looking products that is made. If I didn't need a bed eith a cap the Aussie bed would be on it. Thank you.
Great! I've been up and down Alaska and the Yukon Territory, for real is for real! You can't fake it up there, no sir! Used to live there for almost 5 years, nothing comparable in the lower 48, eh! I'd live to relocate to Whitehorse someday. Great people, those Yukoners!
Absolutley luv my Prospector power wagon. Use it to tow my toy hauler full of toys off road. Lockers are sweeeeet!
What is the towing capacity on this setup?
Keep trickin them trucks!
Excelente explanation, looking forward to build my truck, thanks
I love that your methodology is basically opposite from all the other aftermarket lifts that try to go as high as possible. Wish you guys made this for Duramax or Superduty.
Thank you for the kind words!
Classic. Love my PXL
Great products!!
Damn nice work on that lift. Tempting to get ride of my expo Tacoma now that there's a good company like yours doing this degree of quality in your products. I have loved ram since the movie Twister. This just makes it even more difficult for me to decide. Nice work.
Im in the same situation as well. Fingers crossed AEV moves forward with the Colorado platform. Would be such an easy jump from a taco to a colorado. especially with that diesel
When i saw Colorado got a diesel i said to myself wow they just beat Tacoma to it.
bad ass front bumper
Dave, great video and explanation. I love my AEV lifted Power Wagon. AEV should send a RAM truck to TFL truck (The Fast Lane Truck on RUclips) for a review. I watch their channel all of the time. A review through them would showcase how wonderful an AEV RAM is to use for normal operations i.e. regular use towing, moderate Colorado off road trails, and around town. They are great daily use trucks with extreme latent capabilities...if the need were to arise.
I contacted TFL Truck and recommended they drive the AEV Ram + Jeep and they were super into the idea. Sounds like they just need to get a truck in Colorado to review.
AMEN
A TFL review of an AEV Ram would be a perfect match!
I was literally getting ready to pull the trigger on a Thuren system, as I was told this was an over priced coil spacer. This has made me wait, and am considering this now.
It is, no matter how they word it, it is a spacer lift. Calling it a suspension system is very misleading.
Go thuren, way better ride with there coils. Ram factory coils are just too stiff.
@@soynwasabi You know, unless you want to haul or tow something. Thurens will sag like mad, and reduce your payload significantly. If your not hauling/towing, and off roading a lot, then yeah thuren is a great way to go.
Love it make sense.
You do engineer things well. Your R & D must cost a fortune. I know from being a prototype engineer on military and specialist heavy vehicles. I tend to make everything for my own Jeeps and bikes because the off the shelf parts just don't work for me. If I was into late model vehicles (and had the money!) I would happily buy AEV parts👍
Great video and great explanation of how you lived at work I love it. Hey you guys have something to do a lip on a 2018 or 2020 Power Wagon? Only trying to get to 35 maybe 37th if I'm lucky
I wish you did this to the 1500’s as well. I would be all over that.
So now I know when I upgrade to a 2500.. this will have to be built into the budget haha
This is a great video on the AEV suspension. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told it was a $2000 spacer lift.
Thanks Thomas!
I have loved this company for many years. Wish AEV would do a suspension upgrade for the current gen Grand Cherokee. Something Prerunner-ish.
We won't be working on the Grand Cherokee anytime soon. They are great vehicles but the have ventured far from their roots. We have only seen a couple built for off-road/overlanding so the market is not there for us.
An install video would be amazing for those of us that do not live near a dealer:) Just waiting for the bumper to become available and ordering both for my 2017 Ram 2500.
Thanks for letting us know you're interested in an installation video Ben! While we can't promise anything right now, knowing that people are interested really helps us make decisions when planning out new videos. The Ram HD DualSport Suspension has been updated and is now available. We're expecting the Ram HD front bumpers to be back in stock some time next month.
American Expedition Vehicles I jus purchased my lift form DPP. Can’t wait! As soon as the bumper is available, I’ll give you a a call!
@@AmericanExpeditionVehicles What about a rear bumper, do you guys make one for the Ram 2500 2014+ ?
Ok Dave, I just ordered my 2018 POWER WAGON lift at ROCKTECH off road CA, With CJ. CJ has helped me with AEV solutions concerning self inflicted JKU lift decisions? AEV- I like your style.
Congrats on your purchase! You will love it!
@@AmericanExpeditionVehicles ....hey Dave. Hoping you can help with the suspension, bumper delivery to ROCK TECH in LA HABRA, CA? He's got 3 including my 2018 POWER WAGON waiting on delivery. It's just that there is some kinda delay? I need me some AEV. Thanks Dave. Appreciate your assistance.
I want one of those single cab
Amazing. Beautiful green,. What is the green officially called in Dodge terms? Navy..forest etc...?
Does AEV offer locking front hubs and replaceable-adjustable front wheel bearings? My Dodge Power Wagon has neither and U joints and bearings don't last long.
I would love to be able to move my front axle forward on my 06 ram 3500 single wheel
The mods are well thought out and fit the truck. Kinda reminds me of the ole post WWII Power Wagons. What years and models does the suspension and steering parts fit...? How does the upgrades affect fuel use, oil and gear ratio. And I'm not sure why you kept mentioning all the spring variables....?
The Ram HD DualSport Suspension fits 2014+ 2500/3500. The fuel use on a Hemi will suffer due to large tire size and other factors but the diesel only takes a small if not barely noticeable hit. We have gotten up to 16.5MPG with the Prospector XL on our Arctic trip. The reasons the springs are mentioned so often is Ram designed them specifically for each cab/wheelbase/engine setup. It would be expensive to match every spring setup with every combination in the aftermarket. If we offered just one spring, ride quality would vary across the board however with us choosing to opt for a more expensive aluminum spring relocater, you maintain all the payload and towing capacity from the factory, improve ride quality and steering while lifting your truck. Usually people assume when lifting a truck, all of that suffers but that is not the case with the way we engineer our suspensions.
Question for AEV: What has been your experience with the OEM radius arms? Are they durable enough to handle tough 4wd roads and tracks?
A lot of people have claimed that the stock radius arms on these newer Ram trucks are inadequate for hard, technical driving on terrain which requires significant axle articulation (something to do with the radius arm bushings lacking flex which in turn causes the axle tube and housing to deform or even break).
I noticed during this video that the radius arms were moved somewhat (via a bracket I assume) but otherwise were left stock.
We haven't had any issues on our trucks and we push them hard!
Difference between this lift and another lift with new springs is going to be articulation. Sure it's a 3 inch lift but it's only going to flex like a stock truck
Articulation is one aspect to consider, but we retain the OE coil springs more for ride quality, towing and load carrying capacity. The OE has over 30+ different coil spring combinations, so there is no way we could engineer 30+ lift spring combinations. We feel that this method provides the best compromise between off-road performance and on-road comfort/driveability.
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Yeah no it's an amazing product. I could see in some aspects with the added lift and bigger tires you wont need the extra articulation anyways. Its definitely a nice lift.
Hi guys... I am from Australia. Will this system work for right hand drive 2017 Ram 2500? In the right hand conversion, I would assume the steering link would change. Any ideas? I would like to be running 40’s with this system. Cheers... love the video. It really explains why this is the best system available.
Yes this would work. Ateco is a company we work with that also uses our parts on their units.
Notice the extremely sensitive and vulnerable intercooler hanging down low behind his head at 1:52! Figure out how to protect that thing before a speed bump scrapes it off!
Id love to ses a half ton titan 2017 with like 3nch of lift and soms bumpers but not fab four cuz their titan stuff is fugly. Cheers
Wow...I am having this setup done to my PW as soon as I recieve it, including that front bumper...Two questions, how much more does that bumper weigh vs stock Power Wagon bumper, and what size Warn Winch (with the rollers) is in this video? Cannot wait to have my rig look like this!
The AEV Premium Front Bumper is about 240lbs. I believe the stock PW bumper is about 100lbs. We use a Warn 16.5 TI winch in our 2500/3500 builds.
Do you have recommendations for a shop in Atlanta Georgia close to the Roswell area to install this on my power wagon
Is it possible to borrow a prospector xl crew cab?I love the truck, but I will never see anything like this in northern Ontario, we don’t get real quality stuff here.
Bringing the front axle forward an inch and a half, you didn’t need to adjust the front driveline?
I don't get the difference between a cast spring relocator and an offset spring spacer.
Very nice. Are you in Vancouver bc? I have an 06 Megacab, that is drooling right about now.
Is there a lot of engineering in the spring design?
Do you have to trim the fender wells? Love this look.
If you want to run this lift with 37s, no trimming is needed. If you want to run the 40s, you have to trim the fender wells and add the Highmark Fender Flares to add in rigidity and protection.
How can the speedo be corrected also since mpg would be lowered is there a external gas tank to mount in the oem under bed spare location. ( since it's won't hold them 40s.) Would be hard otherwise to overland the hemi with poor fuel economy. Dream rig 2 door looks like freedom on any terrian!
{Motor Mafia} titan makes just such a tank, but it may not be approved for gasoline.
Im buying a 19 this week where can I take my truck to have this done?
Great truck Dave. I like it so much I built one. I do have a question and problem with your fit of the aev bumper. My Ram is a 2018 3500 Cummins. Your installation manual on figure 46/47 shows using the factory push pins to secure the shroud. Those push pins just wore 2 holes
in the intercooler causing several issues. My truck with 7000 miles on it is in the shop now getting a new intercooler not covered by warranty.
Thoughts?
Hi Barry, sorry to hear you're having trouble. I suggest that you call our warranty department at (248) 926-0256 Ext. 251 and explain the situation to our technicians.
Unbelievable products. What is the reason for limiting the power wagons to 37" tires with this setup as opposed to 40's on the diesels?
The gearing, towing, mpg, etc. We have built a Power Wagon on 40s and we are still testing. We found good gears for them but when we went to tow, it was not the result we were looking for.
I am running this list on my 2016 2500HD and a 37" tire setup, love it. Question: I am having to use my truck for more and more long range towing up and down I5 and I've been using my bed for more and more cargo and want to go back to a stock wheel/tire package, has anyone run this kit on stock wheels tires?
Dorian, not that you couldn’t but not many people do, since the factory wheel/tire combo is so much smaller. Handling attributes would be my biggest concern.
You can definitely do it, but unless it was a Power Wagon, the only difference you may see is visual and it may wear on the tires differently.
saving my pennies
Any Chance these being made for a F250?
Is this system compatible with the 2018 Ram 3500 Limited w/Cummins and rear factory airbag leveling system? I get quite a bit of bed bounce now unloaded on rougher roads. I believe the airbags only come into play when heavily loaded.
Great question. I suggest that you call us and ask to speak with our parts department. They'll be able to answer your questions in detail. Our number is 248-926-0256.
So how much is this lift system for a 2022 Power Wagon?
What do these mods do to the Dodge warranty? Does anyone know?
Great design and I'm wondering if there is a system for a 3rd generation 2007 Dodge Mega Cab with a 5.9 cummins. And have you considered doing this system for a 2018 Dodge 1500...?
Hey BigRed56, thanks for the suggestion. Right now we offer a 4" lift for the 2018 1500. It's available for trucks with and without air ride suspension. Here's a link to the non-air ride version: www.aev-conversions.com/product/ram-1500-4-dualsport-suspension-sc/
It's a great kit but the biggest tire we recommend is 35".
American Expedition Vehicles he clearly asked the same question I did and YOU avoided his question completely.... so can you answer our questions legit?
I have a 2011 Ram 2500 Power Wagon. Do you make a lift like this that would work for my truck? I would love to run 40s with minimal lift. Moving the front axle forward seems like a great way to do that.
Hi Damon! Great question. At this time our HD suspension systems are for 2014-18 2500/3500 only.
How is the rear lifted 2 inches, but no longer shock upgrade? Would that not nearly max the stock shock out at ride height?
Longer travel Bilstein shocks are included. We retain the OEM coil spring.
@@AmericanExpeditionVehiclesah okay I see it now. I think the age of the video and him not mentioning the rear shocks through me off. When is this kit supposed to be back in stock? Site says its out of stock for a 2017 gasser 2500
Very interested in your products.
This vid is one of the most comprehensive explanations that I have seen to date. Alot of thought and science has been put into this. NOW FOR THE QUESTION.
I have a 2017 Nissan Titan pro 4X with a 5.0 cummings diesl. Can you do the same thing with this truck as you have done with the Dodge? If so, what is the ballpark price for this customization? Please let me know as I am VERY interested.... gotta due some more overlanding.
Thanks for the kind words. Right now we only have products for the Wrangler, Ram and a couple for the Chevy Colorado. We don't plan on introducing products for the Titan lineup at this time. With all the time we spent on the Ram setup, it is not simply just changing the mounts and calling it a day. It would be a complete start from scratch suspension from the ground up.
Is there anyone doing similar with the Titan?
I am not aware. You can try talking with OK4WD, they are one of our dealers that works on a lot of vehicle platforms.
What do your enhancements do to the payload capabilities? I seem to notice that in all of the videos and pics that I have seen today , ( have just found AEV for the first time and am learning) , that there are no examples of these rigs with a camper on the back , not even a Four Winds type pop up camper. If the rig takes a substantial amount away from the payload then would a 4500 with an SRW conversion be possible? Do you guys do dually conversions to SRW?
The AEV trucks retain all factory towing and payload as they utilize the factory springs etc.
@@garrettmoon8352 it can't keep factory ratings. Not with 40inch tires. 40s are heavy, and will be an extra 120+ per tire/rim combo. Tires take away from payload capacity. All unsprung weight is still put in the calculatiosn for the GVWR.
@@BadMedic you are totally correct. However that difference is very minimal given the size truck this guy is referring too (2500-5000lbs payload or more depending on spec.) My point was that by maintaining the factory springs, you are not loosing any carrying capacity like many other lifts or suspension systems that utilize softer coils. But yes any modifications like 40's, bumpers, winches, should be subtracted from GVWR.
I really like this lift. Do you make one for a 2012 Ram 2500?
There was a major front end change during the 2013/2014 model years. Our suspension was developed on the 2014 platform so we do not have a setup that would work on a 2012.
Nice would this work on a power wagon
Absolutely. We have plenty of happy Power Wagon customers.
Has AVE changed the gearing ratio to accommodate the 4x 40inch ? If not, why not?
I think they regear to 4.30
Yo Dave!! Any timeline for you guys to do this to the new HD Rams? I want one of your prospector xl's but I really want the new HD ram. New interior,led headlights,sweet interior. All that in a full AEV setup is a dream rig. So how goes it? You guys gonna do a version for the new 2020 HD? Was ram cool and leave the suspension in the same dimensions? That would save you the time of having to redo all your engineering. Probably no such luck huh? 400 hp and 1000 lb. ft. on your new 2020 Prospector would be amazing.
AEV Chris here, it is going a be a little while still. We have a majority of our efforts pushing JL, JT and Colorado parts out to market. It would be late 2019 but more than likely it will be 2020.
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Questiom I'm lookimg to purchase a aev prospector ram. Can this truck still pull a 5th wheel ? What mods would.i need...would I have to lift the trailer?
You make great products just wish you did more on gm trucks
If you have a ram crew cab ram 2500 with everything stock and wanted to get this lift how much in towing and load capacity would you lose
I was wondering same
You would lose nothing. They only use 2" blocks in the rear so the suspension stays the same. I have a 2018 AEV built Prospector with 37's and I tow a 38' toyhauler with it. I added airbags just for the pin weight of the camper.
My 2500 Cummins shortbed crew cab is a 2013 with rear leaves. What do you do for my type of suspension?
Aev is garbage, check out thuren fab
where can i get this done for my 2500 cummins
Check out our dealer locator! www.aev-conversions.com/dealers/parts-north-america
is that a stock/factory color? which one if so? really dig it!
that is Prairie Green Pearl. It is a low volume Ram color.
Can you built this kit for a 2004 Ram 2500 5.9L? I already know you don’t offer it now so don’t waste my time by telling me the year models that you serve currently... I’m not asking that. I’m asking you if you can get your hands on a Gen 3 Cummins 2500 and build me custom lift brackets like this kit you have in the video? I will pay for your time. My 2004 2500 Cummins is and has always been my dream truck (2nd time owner of Gen 3). I need the 40’s for mountain hunting.
It’s either this or I will have to go 6” (Carli Suspension tip line model)
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I have a 2006 Dodge Ram Mega Cab 8 lug axles. Do you have anything for this?
Our wheels will work on that application but our other parts will not work as the body style/chassis are different.
AEV is basically the Patriot Campers of America
Do these comply with factory warranties? They should
They do. Everything we change is then covered by our warranty. This will not void any warranty for your truck.
Is that 2500 a diesel or 6.4 Hemi? Will this lift work with the diesel?
This is a diesel. We only do the 40" tires on diesels and the 37"s on gas or diesel. The lift works with either engine and you maintain factory payload and towing capacity.
A lot of thought has gone into this and from the description all towing / hauling specs remain the same? So assume ride quality will not change, won't ride any softer all things being equal on same wheels and tires. I don't want to put 40's on my truck, probably won't put 37's but will put 35's X 12.5 on. Is this lift overkill for that? Or should I just find a good leveling kit that swaps front springs and swap the OEM shocks for the 5100"s.
You will overall experience better ride quality with this lift. You won't sacrifice towing or payload at all with 35"s. That is a great setup. With only being 3" of lift, 35s will not look out of place at all. Overall you will have a better riding truck with this upgrade versus just a leveing kit and shock swap. Our shocks and springs are tuned specifically for HD Ram trucks on this lift.
Thanks for the reply. I like what you guys have done for Ram and Jeep platforms. I will upgrade my 2500 with this setup.
Can you get 37's on it without any trimming? I see that 40's require different wheel wells.
Of course. Not shown in the video but we also have the Prospector builds which are on 37s with 17x8.5 AEV Salta HD wheels. If you run our bumper you will not need to trim however if you keep the stock bumper, minor trimming would be required. For best fitment and finish, we do not recommend running 37s with the HighMark Fender Flares installed.
Will a 17x9 wheel running 37x12.50 work out? My heart was set on a carli but after seeing this beautiful lift, think I’m ordering yours.
They should offer a remote reservoir shock option!
I would like that as well. I have seen that AEV has been doing some prototype suspension testing for the JK with beefier bilsteins. Maybe they will move to the rams next.
Garrett Moon Shouldn't add more than about $800 to the package I would think, could be more if you go wild but anyway I've heard the big heavy diesel bends that front axle real easy if you jump it! Best to install an axle truss as insurance.
Even the gas rigs will bend an axle with bigger tires
Is the aftermarket bumper required for this lift or can you keep the stock bumper my truck has park assist and I’d like to keep all the options on my truck
You can keep the stock bumper. No new bumper is needed for the lift kit but if you plan to run bigger tires you will need to trim part of the bumper to have no rubbing.
By bigger tire are you referring to the 40” tires or the the 37” as well I was hoping to fit the 37” tires only
You will still need to trim for 37s are the factory bumper extends further into the wheel well than ours does.
Nice work. Will it work on a 2017-18 power wagon ?
Of course! It works on 2014+ Ram 2500/3500 including Power Wagons.
@@AmericanExpeditionVehicles Can the AEV front bumper with a winch work on a Ram 2500 diesel? I was speaking with some folks who seem to believe that the Cummins is too big to accommodate a winch.
@@NagoLnoJ yes. All of their 2500/3500 all have the Cummins.
Can u do this to a f-150
We don't have parts for an F150.
Does AEV build 2500 Cummins
Yes we do! 1500/2500/3500.
How much does this whole setup cost out the door?
About $20k on top of the price of the truck
Looks so sick. How many tacos can it pull?
Many tacos
no one has been able to respond to this question
why are most of the trucks are rams and not the other brands, 8 out of ten are rams 1500 up
I didn’t know anyone else made a truck.
On a serious note, AEV has specialized in Jeeps for years so it only made sense to turn its focus over to Ram. Especially when that’s what the owner of AEV personally drives.
What is the total height , from the ground to the top of the snorkel ??
Both the Prospector and Prospector XL come in around the 8 foot mark.
Thanks
Do you re gear the trucks?
We re-gear based on the tire size. A 37" tire gets 4.10 gearing and the 40" re-gears to 4.30.
Will the lift work with the factory rear air bags?
morrisoncal He said it's designed to work with all factory suspensions, so it should!
Yes it will!
That's not what I was told by anyone selling them, that's why I have a BDS 4" system on mine. I wanted the least amount of lift for 37s and this was my number one choice hands down. I got the rear air suspension on my 2500 because it would self-level when I loaded/unloaded snowmobiles with my sled deck only to be told by EVERY SINGLE SELLER/INSTALLER I spoke to that the air suspension was not supported because it was "unpredictable in off-road situations".
We have been doing it for over a year. Sorry to see you went another route!
What about a dually with factory air ride?
why can you only run 40's with a diesel and not the Hemi?
You *can* do it but you'll need to upgrade your gears, and the gas mileage is going to be pretty rough. If you'd like more information about it, call us at 248-926-0256 and ask to speak with the parts department.
are those 40x13.5 or 15.5
These are Toyo Open Country 40x13.50 on a 17x10 AEV Katla wheel
Im selling the jeep ......on want one of these
i need to know where i can go to get this done right your shop
Check out our parts dealer locator! www.aev-conversions.com/dealers/parts-north-america
where is your shop a located
Our shop is in Wixom, MI however we have tons of qualified parts distributors and upfit shops across the world.
all t your distributors i
next too me dont look like four wheel drive shops that know what they are doing i am not going to pay good money on a shitty shop
We carefully choose who can distribute and sell our products based on many factors.
Does this affect the tow rating?
As the suspension remains essentially stock tow rating should be unchanged. The gvwr is going to be limited by the tires. Now pulling a fifth wheel with this may be tricky.
thanks for the response, planning on trading in my 3500 dually for this build. I could always swap the 40's for the factory wheels/tire when towing my TH.
Nope! That is one of the reasons why we engineered this system the way we did. Both tow rating and payload capacity are unaffected by this lift.
And a rear bumper with tire carrier
Did you see our rear bumper at SEMA??
American Expedition Vehicles unfortunately I haven't made it to SEMA yet, stock is never good enough for me so it's totally my style. Is it a bumper for the Ram 2500/3500? BTW function over form first, and using vehicle i.e. Taking a Mustang to the track or Wrangler to the trails is great, if not there are much more suitable vehicles for everyday use. One would probably need two vehicles as mud/scratches or roll cages/racing seats aren't acceptable characteristics of many people's daily driver.
The rear bumper system will be for 1500/2500/3500. We have a reputation for building purpose built products for the people that are using their vehicles as they were intended to be used.
Can I get this for a 2011 ram 2500?
No, the suspension on that truck is different than the 2013+ models.
American Expedition Vehicles how much would you charge to customer build one then and a 2004 model 2500?
Sounds so complicated
Seems to contradict everything carli and Thurnfab do
Could Joan Jett drive this, or is the ability defined by gender, attractiveness; would she hurt herself because of her age?