Nitto Nomad Grappler | Perfect Tire For Subaru Outback Wilderness?
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2022
- The hype has been building for me on these brand new Nitto Nomad Grappler Tires since they arrived on my doorstep. Finding a tire with quiet and comfortable on-road manners but still offers you the ability to feel confident taking your Outback Wilderness into some difficult terrain has been one of the most asked questions since we got our Outback Wilderness. In this video, I go over all of the specs of the newest addition to the Nitto lineup and do side-by-side comparisons of the Yokohama Geolander, BF Goodrich KO2 as well as the Nitto Nomad Grappler. We also talk gas mileage with all three of these tires as well as tread patterns and all the information you will need to decide which tire is right for your new Subaru Outback Wilderness.
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Thanks for taking the time to share your adventures.
I got these tires as upgrade from stock. After watching your review I’m glad I did. 2019 Outback.
Awesome stuff!
Thanks for this! I may have to give these a shot when they come out! Love my KO2s though.
No worries, dude!
Thank you for the Outback wilderness videos!
No worries!
This Subaru wilderness content grew your channel more.
Yea it did. It’s crazy to watch how it happened.
I'm running the Falken Wildpeak at3wa on my Forester. Great tyre. Quiet on the road, good grip on loose surface, rocks etc. Also good in rain. And they have the snowflake and mountain code, so I can use them when it's snowing as well.
I run that same tire on my outback wilderness with buddy's running the KO2 and we all get stuck in the same spots. I seen no advantages with the KO2 over the AT3W but where the bug difference is the quiet road performance advantage that the AT3 has over the KO2, no reason for me to even consider the Nitto .
So glad to see these on the market. Have been running Crossclimate SUVs and Nokian WRGs up here in Minnesota to get something with 3PMSF with at least H-speed for my Pilot. Need more off-road bite - there Nomads seem like the perfect choice!
Couldn't agree more!
The Ko2 just looks so badass. It’s so hard to beat
That was my dilemma. They also perform incredibly so it’s a win win in my opinion!
You should also compare to the Falken Wildpeak AT Trail, another all terrain that’s made specifically for CUVs
Another tire going for the middle is the Nokia Outpost APT.
It is offered in a lot of CUV/SUV tire sizes.
And they are very good in teh snow.
I've had 3 previous Subarus, and got my wilderness several months ago. That said, I'm also an aggressive driver, got to 131mph on the yoko's, an incredible grip on rainy days, but not too confident during icy cold Chicago days. Have not tested them off road yet, but for regular city usage, the Yoko's are amazing.
Right on!
Thanks for doing the video. We love hearing from fellow travelers. I own a stock Forester with the base 2.5L It's great hearing how much a turbo, bigger tires, and other goodies will cost me in fuel should I choose to go there in the future.
I appreciate the comment!
We have the Nitto Dune Grapplers on our Wrangler. They perform very well off road and on road.
Right on! Thanks for the input.
Again thanks for videos of that awesome trip like I said me and the wife are going in a month or so now can't wait to see these grapplers are off road I had a terrible time looking for tires for my 2002 Outbreak I got super lucky at Walmart of all places got the Wildpeak all terain witch are awesome aggressive on and off road tires and the best part got them on sale for 105.00 per tire at the time works for me lol. Remember stay safe and Overland Safely!!!!
That’s a deal! Thank you!
I would throw in theFalken AT3W to the conversation. Amazing tires in snow and offroad, also great in the rain.
Everyone has that same opinion, just never had them myself. Thanks for the input!
@nativenomads It is definitely a scratch your head kind of tire.. Like, how is this so quiet, how does it ride so nice, Why is my gas mileage so good..lol. I had the regular AT3 on my wrangler , and it replaced KO2s. Night and day performance especially on ice.. felt like glue in the rain..I think i'm gonna try the wild peak trail on my 23 outback 2.5i.
Have always been a ko2 guy but thinking why not wear them out I will say the geolanders have impressed me live in rural area lots of snow . Planned on ko2 but this gets me thinking .Thank you
I love my KO2's more then any tire I've had. The KM3's on our Power Wagon have blown me away also. Thanks for the input!
Great overview. I have the Falken AT Wildpeak on my 2018 Outback. Wonder how it compares. Nice looking tires.
Hopefully I can provide some info on that once I have a chance to test them.
I love them on my Crosstrek
Right on!
Thanks, I've been looking at those tires. Probably be the first thing I do when I get the Wilderness is change out the tires. Its probably between those Nitto's, or the Nokian outpost APT's. Your right about the Geolanders. They came on my Crosstrek. Good road tire, pretty good in snow,, but not a off road tire.
Agreed! Congrats on the OBW! P
@@billdickson1142 the Geolanders AT's that came on it aren't all that bad. With the price of rubber these days I think I'll run them a while before switching. Thanks for asking.
Interesting. I’m using the TerraGrappler G2 and have loved every min. Curious to see how this do over time.
I’ll be sure to update!
Just came across your channel.
The main reason I bought the OBW is that it has a real spare tire.
There is two things that younger drivers NEED TO DO.
1. Check the air pressure at least once a month, it WILL go flat .
2. Include your spare tire in the tire rotation that is a must if not you will damage your transmission when you have to use the
un rotated tire .
As of this date 9-24-22 , I get 22mph in the city Reno,Nv , average speed is 35-75 mph.
On highway 28 mpg speed 65-75 mph,
air pressure is 36 psi using nitrogen in all 5 tires , checked pressure after one month with manager ( Big O Tires ) .
No loss of tire pressure.
Appreciate the input and advice!
On my 2019 Subaru Forester Sport I put the Falken Wildpeak AT3W and absolutely love them. They're quiet and are awesome in all weather conditions. Not sure there really is as much a need here as Nitto thinks. Falken seems to fit all the boxes at this time. BTW, they have over 10K miles on them and little wear.
Agreed. The Falken Wildpeak AT3W is the middle ground if you ask me... I really don't foresee the Nitto Nomad Grappler being any better than the stock Geolander tires.
Thanks for the info!
@@FracturedNinja Oh yes, the Wildpeaks are way better. The Geolanders are fine, if you don't mind the tires/tread grabbing a zillion rock pebbles, into the tires tread spaces, then as you increase speed on a normal road, and hearing the ping, bonk, bank, etc. as every pebble dislodges and flies up under your SUV. It's beyond annoying.
My theory about the popularity of the Geolander is that it's a tire the manufacturer can use that has acceptable fuel economy for all of the regulations that are imposed while at the same time not being a complete embarrassment off road. But in the end you wind up with a tire that's not particularly good at either. I'd rather take an extremely small hit on fuel and get better performance with Bf Goodrich Trail Terrains or Nitto Nomads. So I agree with your choice.
Thanks for the comment!
I've been running these nittos for almost year now. I love them but the only thing I have to compare them to is the terrible ecopia tires that come stock on the Forester. They were a general performance boost all around minus the small mpg lost. It performs surprisingly well in loose dirt and sand.
Appreciate the input on these!
Thank you for taking the time to make your videos. I have a question about tire and wheel size. I’m looking at the Nomad Grapplers for my 2023 OBW, but curious what’s the largest I can go with the standard suspension without rubbing while off-road.
With the 245/65/17 tires, do you think wheels 17x7.5 w/ +35mm offset would work?
I'm not sure if that would work or not.
I just went. thru the whole tire thing because my Toyo All Terrains on my 2021 Crosstrek had to all be replaced because I got a sidewall puncture at 25k miles .. And BFG just came out with a 17" KO2 for the Trek .. 225/65 17" 8ply with 3 ply sidewall. All the other tires are pMetric unless they are an 'LT' type and have only a two ply sidewall .. look at the small tire makeup on the tires. The difference in weight between the Toyo All Terrains and BFG's .. same exact size, width, height, etc .. the weight difference was 10 lbs per tire! 1 trip to Moab and 4 trips to Death Valley .. and in DV I only do the dirt roads. All those trips were on the Toyo's .. no complaints just not as heavy duty a tire as the KO2's pretty much as you have stated in this video. My other rig is on it's 3rd set of KO2's .. 285/75 16" (33's) which are 'LT' type and carry a 10 ply rating with a 3 ply sidewall .. never have had an issue with them. 🤠
I agree with everything you said! My KO2's have yet to fail me. Thanks for the input.
Interesting I pick up my OB Wilderness next Tuesday, trading in my Tacoma TRD off road. Do you have an install video on that remote auxiliary light box you are running for your lights? Love the channel! I watched all of your videos on it before buying! Im getting a ton of crap from my buddies on purchasing the OB, I feel your pain!
😂😂 I feel you! Honestly, I don’t have an install video and you probably don’t need one because it’s super easy.
Please review all three tires and grade them for us. Compare using performance perameters such as noise, performance, and cost. Thanks
I’m not sure I’ll be doing that, but I appreciate the input.
I got the Nomad Grappler too, they are great! I think that you hit the nail on the head when you said that they are the perfect middle ground! They are so much lighter, quieter, and better in the rain than my KO2s. Just subscribed! You should watch my Nomad Grappler video, it is a lot shorter than yours, haha.
Right on! I’ll check it out!
Thanks for the review! What size is the Nomad Grappler? 245/65/17?
Yep, that's correct!
I'm looking into tires for my 2024 Forester. I like the Falken Wildpeaks but they are from China. The Bf Goodrich Trail Terrains and the Nitto Nomads list their country of origin as USA on Tire Rack. I just thought I'd point that out for anyone else who's shopping.
That's a really good point. I hope it's true. Unfortunately most things come from overseas.
For the back country of Death Valley during the summer, KO2.
I totally agree with that statement
Hi Josh, I just bought my first Subaru 2024 outback wilderness in crystal white and love it. I want to add more aggressive tires without changing the wheels or doing a lift. Im not goin off roadbed like the aggressive look. any suggestions? thanks jerry
You can always add a set of spacers to get a more aggressive look and keep everything factory. Perrin has some good hub centric wheel spacers and they're decently priced.
Update on the Nitto offraod test?
I’m going to be putting them back on soon. Haven’t hit them hard yet, but the BFG’s are getting worn out.
Update on how you like these tires?
I haven't run them much. I kept them on for a few months, and they were great, but I had a brand new set of KO2s that I put back on.
if you don't mind can you send over your wheel and tire specs I've been pulling my hair out researching wheels tires and offsets wondering what will fit under the OBW. The more i learn, the less i know!!
Lp Aventure LP7’s and BFG KO2 245/65/17. All of this fits with no rubbing.
other than rotational mass effect how much do you feel side wall flex is impacting fuel economy.
I don’t have a solid answer for that.
No experience with Nitto tires, but I'm with you on the no trust for Geolandar. I've had them on 3 previous Subarus and they were garbage. The Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail was hands down the best tire I ever had on a Subaru. Less aggressive than your Nitto maybe, but still a good middle-of-the-road tire and super capable off road. They kicked the living sh*t out of the Geolandar in terms of capability and durability/longevity. Never a single flat and still had plenty good tread depth 2 years later when I traded the car in for my outback wilderness last month.
Right on! I’m not a fan of the geolander either. Great for the road, not for the trail in my opinion.
Bfg now has a rugged terrain ta. How does these tires stack up to the bfg
I’ll let you know once I have a chance to get them dirty.
I wonder how it compares to the Falken Wildpeak AT Trail. Seems like a direct competitor to the Trail as opposed to the Geolandar.
Very comparable tire. I think going either direction would net the same result.
What wheels are those in the thumbnail? I keep seeing these gold rims in different pics on the wilderness and I’m curious as to what they are.
LP aventure LP7's
Hi there. Great review. Thanks for sharing! I’m picking up a new outback wilderness next week, my first ever Subaru. I’m hoping that, coming from a Mercedes AMG which I love but is not so adventure friendly, that this will get me to venture out more and go backpacking and camping and be more outdoorsy. What should I do in terms of tires? Should I keep the stock tires for a while and try them out or should I immediately upgrade to a nitto nomad grappler or BFG K02? I want a tire that’s more capable than the stock tires, but is at the same time, as quiet as possible to limit road noise. Thanks!
Hey, Mathew! Thanks for watching and congrats on the new outback wilderness! This was out first Subaru also, so we're still learning as we go. Your questions is a tough one to answer because it really depends on where you plan on taking your vehicle. I don't recommend the KO2 to anyone who's not going to be putting their outback in serious situations where they will need a true off-road tire. That said, I think the nomad grappler is a great option for someone who wants the best of both worlds, but doesn't want a tire that makes driving the car to work unenjoyable. Hope that helps!
@@roamingwithjosh Great! Thanks so much for the input!
Quick question. I’m picking up my Subaru on Monday. I don’t know yet how often I’ll be adventuring out. Having said that, should I immediately swap the tires to something like the nitto nomad grapplers or should I rock the geolanders for a while? Thanks!
I would keep the stock tires if you're not adventuring too far. No need to spend the money on wheels and tires unless you plan to do that already. In order to run a larger tire you will need to swap wheels with a bigger offset to support the larger footprint. Hope that helps!
Falken Wildpeak AT Trails should give you what you're looking for, good light off-road performance and not a ton of road noise on the highway or a big MPG hit. Highly recommend them, they work great here in Colorado.
Any chance for comparisment between above rubber and Copper Discovery at3/4s rubber?
I don't have any experience with those tires unfortunately.
Very new to the channel and Subaru's in general, getting my Subaru Outback Wilderness in Jan and want to add an Ironman 4x4 suspension kit to it. I also want to add these Nitto Nomads, just want to know if I should be buying a bigger rim/tire with the lift or do the 17's still look and function good?
From a looks perspective, you're going to want different wheels with a larger positive offset so they stick out a bit more. If you just put the lift on without new wheels or tires then your vehicle will look like it skipped leg day. Also, you want to remember that when you go up, you also want to go out a bit too. That will help keep the center of gravity balanced. Adding lift without width will make you even more top heavy which is never a good thing while off road. Hope that helps!
@@roamingwithjosh, Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question. I'll look further into this a adjust the size of the tires/rims according. 👍🏼
How does this tire perform? Noise, stickiness, flex under turning on the road, rub? What offset on the wheels, please? Good comparision!
Unfortunately I've only had the tires on road so I don't have any off road time with them yet. On road they're fantastic and no rub. The wheels are LP aventure LP7's, I forget the exact offset.
@@roamingwithjosh Thanks!
No worries!
How stiff are they when you air down and hit rough roads/offroad? What do you air down to?
Unfortunately I haven’t used them off-road yet. I air down my BFG ko2’s to 18 rear and 15 front.
Has your opinions changed any re the Nomad Grappler vs the Yokohama Geolanders? I've narrowed down to these two for my Kona N-Line AWD. It seems that the Geolanders have been out a while now compared to the Grapplers which are relatively newer tech. I'm looking for the one that is more biased to winter>off-road>on-road (in terms of priority). Thanks!
I honestly don’t think there’s anything wrong with the geolanders for 95% of people. I would not have felt comfortable with them on my OBW in Moab or joshua tree, but I planned on really pushing the car to its limits. The nomads are a fantastic middle of the road between the KO2’s and geolanders. The falken wildpeak AT3 is also a great tire that has been used by many in the Subaru community for years and also fits the middle of the road crowd. Hopefully that’s helpful and let me know if you have any other questions!
@@roamingwithjosh One more gem that looks like a hit in the making is the Nokian Outpost APT and AT. The Outpost APTs look to me like they are aimed squarely at the Geolander crowd looking for replacements (the Geolander have been out for quite a while now). The Outpost AT look like they would compete against the Nitto Nomad Grappler (also a recent release).
I'm pretty much set on the Outpost APT as they look even more winter-biased than the Geolander, yet seem very capable for casual and occasional off-roading (its sidewalls are aramide-reinforced). Early reviews on this tire are very very positive.
Best yet, they are Made in the USA (in their brand new Dayton, Tennessee plant).
@@ajw9975 That's awesome info and I appreciate hearing about all the new things coming to market, especially ones made in the USA!
You do know that the OE tires are far different then the ones you would buy online right? They made 2 versions. Anyway, I love "trail" tires. On a truck. 30k miles of both bottomland and mountain trails on my Michelin Defender LTX's and I wouldn't change a thing. The KO2's are just overkill for a trail ready AWD like our Subies.
You know I would have to disagree on the KO2’s being overkill. I do understand your point, however having a tire that’s more then what the car is probably capable of gives us peace of mind when we push the car beyond its limits. Everyone’s opinion is there own and I appreciate the input!
Do you still run the Nomads? How have they been? If not, when the change?
We do not run them, but do plan to put them back on. They held up well and were much quieter than the BFG's. I would recommend them for anyone who doesn't intend to take on too many hard rocky sections of trail. The on road performance and weight make them a much better option for daily driving than the BFG's do.
what tire size can i go with? i just installed a ironman two inch lift to my wildernees
I went 245/65/17 but I'm pretty sure you can go a little larger than that without any rubbing. Look up team venom racing on instagram, he runs a size tire larger than me and he says it works great.
Were you able to put your LP Aventures on the Nittos?
Yep!
Any update on this tire?
Unfortunately no. Still running BFG KO2
How about the road noise? Nitto vs K02?
Nitto is definitely quieter, but neither are really that noticeable.
Its only 2 ply right? Seems to be the same market as the Falken Wildpeak AT Trails, pretty neck and neck!
I believe so. They are definitely on par with the Wildpeak tires.
are these more aggressive looking than the wild peak AT trail
No they’re not
How do they do in the snow?
Haven’t seen the snow yet.
Looks like a good tire. I think it's supposed to compare more to the Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail and the BFG Trail Terrain TA. Those aren't as aggressive as the WP3 or KO2. Would love to see them side by side with those I mentioned but totally agree with you and think a KO2 or WP3 is overkill for the vehicles like you mention, i.e. outback, crosstrek, rav4 and so on. Great review though Josh.
Thanks, Travis! I appreciate the input!
hi @nativenomads, can you please tell me what type and brand of alloy wheel you got there ? 9:41. Thank you
Lp Aventure
Will i need to upgrade the wheels with these tires?
To get them to fit properly, yes.
Are they in the same boat as the wildpeak at trail?
I would say yes they are, but I’ve never ran wildpeak so I may not be the best person to ask.
I’d like to take my outback wilderness on the Mojave Road but I would never do it alone, I’m down if you are
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Nomads or at3w for a hyundai palisade? Light off road use to go remote camping, nothing crazy. Help!
Nomads will probably get you better MPG and have less road noise, but I’ve never had a set so I can’t speak from experience.
Did you ever put some miles on these? Thoughts?
I never put hard miles on these tires unfortunately, but I plan to switch back to them before too long and see what they can do.
What size, nitto No mad grappler, did you put on your car?
245/65/17
Toyo open country at3 or this nitto helpppp
lol I can't make that decision for you! Go with the tire that you will get the most use out of. The toyo is much closer related to the BFG ko2 so if i had to pick I would go toyo, but expect less gas mileage and a louder ride.
Hey Bro, if you come through Colorado on your way back home hit me up, you and fam can stay at our place the girls can go spa.
I’m out here solo at the moment for some snowboarding. Next time we pass through I’ll get in touch!
Good information, but take the time to edit your video and make your point “once”. So much of the info is repetitive/redundant.
Thanks for the comment!
Nope. I’ll stick with my BFG KO2 245/65R17
Why do you not trust the Geolander off-road?
The stock Geolandars on my Crosstrek were basically just all-seasons. The tread was pavement-oriented, and the carcass probably was too.
CUV AT tires, like the Falken Wildpeak AT Trail or the Nitto Nomad Grappler are engineered to be more durable off-pavement than the typical all-season. Tread elements wrap around the sidewalls a bit for more off-pavement traction and durability, especially when aired down, in ruts, and/or clawing through uneven terrain.
I don't know that Subie-sized Nitto Nomad Grappler sidewalls will be as durable as BFG AT/MT Tri-Guard sidewalls in LT sizes. Tri-Guard BFGs tend to be pretty heavy though, compared to something like Subie-sized AT Trails or all-seasons. LT tires, in general, can have a ponderous feel on pavement, especially on a CUV that normally feels agile/sporty.
I have AT Trails on my 2016 Crosstrek. They're fairly grippy on wet/dry pavement and OK in snow too. I went from 225/55R17s to 225/60R17s, so they're about 1" taller than stock, giving me almost a 0.5" gain in ground clearance on stock rims. My 2.slo/CVT Crosstrek can still get 40+MPG on flat interstate at sea-level/45F, with cruise set at 55MPH, and using winter-blend gas. I have an Eco-hitch and Primitive skids adding some weight, but typically no roof crossbars dragging air. I also use a high-flow DNA cotton airfilter. The AT Trails hum a bit on some highways, but the stereo or open window/sunroof can easily overcome that.
I'm thinking of getting a set of 215/75R15 siped Geolandar MTs for strictly offroading though. The trails are mixed muddy/rocky/rooty in my area. I'll keep the AT Trails, or similar, for year-round commuting/roadtrips. I have a multi-mount winch if they get overwhelmed. I may just get an older Wrangler Unlimited for local offroading and for hauling a boat though, so CUV AT tires would be more than adequate for a winch-equipped commuter/roadtripper Crosstrek.
Tires like the AT Trails or Nomad Grapplers are probably about right for most CUV overlander/adventure types. They're tougher than typical all-season and all-weather tires, handle winter AND summer roads with their plentiful siping and pliable/durable tread, and yet don't degrade handling/ride/MPG like a ponderous, offroad-focused, LT tire. If your trails aren't deep mud, they'll likely be more than aggressive enough, especially if you also have traction diffs, a winch, and/or similar offroad equipment.
I've shredded sidewalls on all-season car tires, 215/75R15LT Wrangler ATs, and even 30"+ BFG Tri-Guard tires. Something like a BFG or Interco offroad LT tire is drastically tougher than a typical all-season car tire. Some offroad LT tires barely need any air to support something like a Suzuki Samurai, because the sidewalls are so beefy.
Bc the sidewall is barely noticeable.
Sidewalls on the Nitto are 2 ply which I think is what the geolanders are as well, but those lugs on the side may help.
I would say those lugs would make a big difference, but both being 2 ply makes you wonder.
@@roamingwithjosh yeah it is interesting... I am assuming that the Geolander is 2 ply I know overall it is 4 ply, but not sure what the sidewall is. I will see if I can find out and post back.
So let me get this straight. You spent 17 minutes expressing your intent to demo the tires.... 17 minutes....
I spent 17 minutes giving you a comparison of those tires vs two other tires as well as giving you information about the tire and an idea of what you can expect in terms of MPG after 200 miles of having them on the vehicle. You must have missed that entire section of the video because you were thinking about what you were going to say in your patronizing comment.