The Worlds FIRST and ONLY Common Rail 8v92 Detroit. Will it start? Totally Custom!
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Had an absolute blast helping my good friend Jason Douglas work on the worlds first and only high pressure common rail 8v92. Lots of laughs and major steps forward in the 2 stroke world. Come and see it, and us in Onaway for the Great Lakes Big Rig Challenge!
I'm always looking for old classic semi trucks to save and restore. I'm also always looking for trucks or parts Detroit Diesel related. If you have one that needs to be saved or you know of one you can drop me an email at the following address: Ol2Stroker@gmail.com
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Remember folks guys like these dudes is what keeps America great
Agree
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Nonono. Only LGBTQ+ black democracy keeps America great.
Hell yea. 🇺🇸
I probably don’t agree with you guys in a lot of shit but what makes America great is the amount of access he has to stuff to be able to do this.
As a diesel mechanic with 35+ years experience that is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. As a hot rod guy that’s the baddest engine on the planet. You guys are gathering Stardust.
I was thinking the same thing as a former trucker and an old hot rodder too. It looks and sounds so beautiful!
I admire the amount of ingenuity that went into that common rail system , it’s going to be impressive to see the results in the truck 👍🏽
I'm excited!
I can't wait I can't tell you how much I've missed this channel
Preciate that man! It's Friday night btw!! I clicked the wrong shit at first.
Just found this channel. These guys are going to be fun to watch. Its like a combination of one guy where everything has to be done properly and by the book and the other guy where its she'll be right rough enough is good enough. Those two together always ends up entertaining, either that or one kills the other haha.
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Fantastic ! The overture of ICE engines. Back in the 60's I always tuned my Villiers engines so I could get to 70 ( ish ).
Please send a copy of the video to grumpy Thunberg. She desperately needs some happiness in her life. Thanks a lot, Colin UK 🇬🇧
Yep, you guys are definitely giving me the inspiration to common rail my 6v-92 for my custom application. I wanted to do it. I knew it could be done. But seeing someone else do it successfully drives me to get to working on it. Great video guys 👍🏻
gale banks did suggest it some years ago
Now that I’ve watched to the end and am very impressed with all the work and I know why. Not because they said can’t be done but because you need more control and pressures that can’t be developed with a Detroit pump. Lots and lots of brainstorming. I think I’d have been over by the single polishing pieces and quietly satisfying myself. 60’s and Allison’s were my main experience. Since a child though I watched those 2 stroke techs build these top to bottom. 53 to 149.. even saw a 6/110 being built. I was allowed to dabble in them when the shop was quiet and it was pure joy and fascination to watch them. The group had all worked together since the mid 70’s. 3 of them back to 66 at the same Harper shop. A few still had the passion you show but all were the best. RIP to some including my brother. Cheers!
Good video, I like all the real problems being diagnosed and resolved. A real as it happens video, not the usual YT videos of peoples fitting all new stuff designed to fit the engine in question. This is how it happens in R&D in real life. I await the next instalment as I know you guys will resolve this. All the best
Hearing a 8V92 hit a rev limiter is my new favorite thing
Mine too! I can't wait to hear it at 3800 instead of 2200!!
It doesn't. But ok.
Amazing how much work you've put into this project. Can't wait to see it in action in the truck!
Me either!!
Very impressive project! I love your idea of using common rail on this 2-stroke. Working for Cat I really liked the idea of common rail when it came out and love seeing someone work with it in a custom setup like this. Looking forward for your following videos. The run-test at the end is great! Love how quick and responsive it is. Once the low idle surge is smoothed out that will be perfect. Amazing project!
As a third generation hotrod builder, and as a kid who grew up around trucks with these motors, this is certainly one of the more impressive modifications I've seen done to ANY engine let alone a detroit 92 series. This was a pleasure to watch, just hope it brings enough smiles per gallon to be worth all your effort
Sounds good Wayne, I never tire of the sound of a 2 stroke.
Me either!!
Especially the GM 16-567!
It sounds wicked. Happy to see you are back Wayne. A common rail 6v53T married to a Eaton 10spd in a OBS F350 CC Doooooly or Chevy Square Body 3+3 Dooooly would be choice.
Been following progress on the Detroit Diesel page. So pumped to see you post a video of it running.
Good to see you again!!👍
Poor Greta, her book flops, diesel,skateboards, straight pipe Volvo's, and now a common rail 2 stroke Detroit! She may never recover lol.
Awesome vid. That is one cool project can't wait till it gets dialed in👍
I don't feel bad for a second! Ha!
Now that's way cool!! I always wondered how a Detroit 2 stroke diesel would work with electronic common rail. I'd love to see someone do that to a 671. Nice work guys!! 🏆🥇🎖🏅
Can't wait to see it in Onaway, keeps getting better every year.
Awesome project, coming from a Detroit lover, and guy who's no fan of common rail systems. Seen too many failures to want it in a daily driver work truck, but they are absolutely the answer to making more power going forward. You can buy a 500 hp/1200 lb ft factory Powerstroke now. It'll be cool to see what y'all can work this one up to in the future. Subscribed.
Outstanding!!! That's friggin Awesome!!
I got an 8v92 2 stroke silver turbo. I fill and run BRP-XD-100 etec 2 stroke oil 6 gallons. I let’s some off the side with a mixing valve I plumbed in to dripped in the fuel inlet line. Tge built in gear VRO pump feeds it and I just add more. I might give E-85 a try next but she’s running cooler, cleaner and quieter on the synthetic 2 stroke oil I get from wall mart. Detroits and emd 2 stroke run on very hard 4340 chrome moly steel cranks and anti friction bearings
This is gonna be super cool to see working in the truck! Glad you’re back Wayne, this awesome stuff.
Thanks!
Love it,glad that you are back at it hope you are all heeled up
Thanks man I'm good
Holy $hit, you're back! You've been missed brother
Right on boys, would love to see more on this as he comes a long with it. There’s a lot of potential with that setup.
I think so too I can't wait!
One could argue that it already had a common rail set up. It meets the criteria for a common rail other than the fuel pressure
Neat Video Wayne, can’t wait to see the truck run. Definitely got a good chuckle at Greta 😂
the ONLY channel i feel in a safe zone to crack a beer just after breakfast and watch.
That's the spirit!!!
I'm glad someone decided to do this and actually post some detailed information on it
the last time someone put common rail on a detroit it was some european truck pulling team with a 12v92, they posted a few videos, next to no detailed information and gave up because they kept bending crankshafts Thanks so much jason
His solution to the rapid injection rate is kind of clever, I knew that getting a Detroit to high rpm would be hard due to the need for twice as many injection events as a four stroke diesel, but I never imagined you would need two ECMs to do it. Also didnt think a d max injector could work and was expecting some off the wall custom injector to need to be built for this sort of conversion
one last thing, jason should really put a big fat intercooled whipple on his 8v92, esp if hes running it at 4k rpm, roots blowers have lousy efficiency at high rpm, we are talking a 50% efficiency difference between a whipple and roots here, its probably killing his HP potential
ruclips.net/video/rJ6TGS0Edm8/видео.html
The blower is just a big HP drag and heat pump. The current setup on the truck bypasses the blower under high boost. I think the reason they didn't have success with the v12 was the application. They were limited on rpm and needed to make big power down low which these engines don't do well. Also the way their sled pull trucks are set up, they use those monster V tread tires so at the end of the track when the sled drags it down, they don't really spin. You can hear in the video it is getting bogged down at full fuel/boost probably in the neighborhood of 2500 rpm or less. In the class of racing I participate in, there is no rpm limit so I'm hoping we will have more success. I fully expect to end up bending the rods at some point, but I think there is still some potential left in the engine over and above the current fuel level with mechanical injectors.
The blower is there to just help with scavenging at lower temps and rpm on a two stroke diesel
The bower is not super charging. It's turning only fast enough to help the engine breathe at low rpm. The turbo is what stacks boost.
@@Moose_338 yes, but at high rpm it introduces losses and inefficiencies regardless if it provides boost or not
and besides, you dont want boost pressure, you want manifold air density
you can have air at 60PSI going into your engine but if it is really hot you dont really have much air molocuels in a given space then normal pressure ait at a lower temperature, this is why intercooling is important
The air density is important, a roots blower, regardless if you have a bypass for it or not, will introduce a lot of heat and thus low density air, into your engines intake manifold. So you may as well do it right, use a screw type supercharger with an aftercooler for high manifold air density which at idle will give you better scavenging that consumes less fuel per unit of air moved
@@theq4602 The truck engine has twin full bypasses that go directly into the airbox, additionally, I've fitted it with twin water/air ICs with an ice water tank. The blower is still there as it needs it to start, but after 20 psi or so its not really doing much other than freewheeling, and airbox/turbo boost pressure is equalized.
The baddest truck build ever, hands down
Years ago I saw several with 6-110 engines in them.. they ran good
Everything you could want in one video, Detroits, comedy and custom fabrication. Great to see someone slamming the 21st century into one of these old girls!😎
Aw man, a stuttering 892 and pop the clutch. 4 G-notes crossing the finish line....WOO! ! ! !
I can't wait!
Very impressive work putting all of that together 👍
Love the common rail system on my 8V-92 in my boat, in fact, two sets lol when you can confirm you've successfully man the system and are going to market with them
Mint as fuck mate👌🏻
You can tell how great you and the channel is by how many miss your videos.
Hope everyone at Ol'2 Stroker doing great👍🏻
Thanks man sure appreciate that!
Omg as a European, I have to say that volvos sound is unmatched 😅😊❤
Dude has got the right work ethic💪 if you want it and they don’t make it, build it yourself 👊 love the truck and that engine is rad AF!!
Glad to see you back homie been missing ya around here
Very unique build. I normally don't care for electronic diesels, but this is cool. I'm curious the power potential difference over the mechanical system. Especially with the ability to freely adjust timing and fuel on the fly, without having to worry about the governor defueling at high rpm. With this, you even have the potential to add an injector and pilot flame to the exhaust manifolds and program in an anti lag system.
These injectors will flow more than 2x the fuel of the current mechanical injectors, so theoretically we should be able to make 2x the power. That's not to say the engine will handle that kind of power, but I think there is certainly room to go before rods give out.
Take an 8V92 and source the common rail fuel gear and ECU from a marine MAN or MTU engine and graft it to the Detroit. Marine engines similar in capacity to the 8V92 are already specd at approx 800-1200hp so could give even more scope for bigger hp gains.
I love this idea. Taking awesome stout old diesels but just sprinkling a little bit of good modern parts on them to bring them up to date. Love it!
I subscribed on How Dare You! LOL, AND I don't even own a diesel. Only drove 1 semi in my life back in 87, was an 85 GMC Cabover with a Silver 92 if I remember correctly.
Good to see you guys back with warmer weather coming
This was such a good video to watch,cant wait to show my old man hes 72yr old 2stroke mechanic from here in australia,not many of them left.
Has to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen
That is crazy cool, fabrication at its finest, old world meets the 2000's
To me it's real Hot Rodding! Thanks man!
That old Volvo really winds up TIGHT! That old wide cab GMC has been making the internet drool and look on with envy for years.
It sure has!!
That was the best RUclips intro I've ever seen in my life
Lol thanks dude!
Very badass
Now that's old school and new school working together. It sounds amazing. I would love to see that truck running after the work is done. I'll bet its gonna kick some ass.
Thanks to the EPA, no OEM would ever attempt this, but thanks to you guys we can actually see it. Modern injection tech without all the aftertreatment bs, as it should've been
A soft rev limiter on a 2S Detroit, something I never imagined.
that is awesome, might need to consider upgrading the ex valve springs to stop the high rpm valve float which it what eventually makes the rpms stop climbing :)
Awesome build and video
wanted to try this with a 6v53 for about half a decade
as a Norwegian i know its gonna be a awsome video when it starts whit a 740/60 Volvo whit a D24 😍 cool video as always 👌
Thanks man!
Own one aswell , definitely not fast but the sound tracks excellent, common thing swedes do is 240 inlet on the later turbos helps hugely!
minty mc mint, i love frankenstein shit like that, also, i not only had that exact towmotor forklift, but, that exact volvo diesel, those ran good, all the cheech you could ask for from the VE pump, plus 40 mpg on the highway outta the 2.4 inline 6
You obviously have good taste in equipment and vehicles! Ha
beautiful truck brother
Good to see u Wayne hope all is well sir have a good week!!!
Thanks man you too
It'd be interesting to see the difference in horsepower and torque if you could get it on a dyno
I have had the idea of a gas 2stroke built like a Detroit, maybe slide valves to seal the bores , while the piston is at TDC, preventing the crank case from pressurized, allowing modern light weight pistons, short skirts with fuel injectors firing into the cylinder from the outside of the v, like the covers on the 8v92, also spraying the fuel into the incoming air , helping atomise and mix better, using an aluminum block, with light weight crank, H-beam rods, possibly 1" longer if to scale of a Detroit engine. For a longer rod to stroke ratio, and an aluminum head with larger valves, and possibly 2plugs per cylinder, maybe only use 2valves, about 2.100", with overhead cam, if someone had access to a foundry, and a machine shop, it would be an awesome project, mill a small chamber in the heads, with valve reliefs in the piston, with quench pads in the head, with a shape to induce a lot of swirl at TDC, or as it comes to TDC, the piston dome would likely need a small groove at the injector, to give more time to inject while the piston is down at BDC, possibly use two injectors to allow a more fine must of fuel from smaller injectors. Maybe 3-4 injectors, to allow higher rpm, it is difficult to inject enough fuel at a fine must, to be as efficient as possible, at 5k RPM, it's difficult to have time to inject enough fuel in the short time of BDC, even a two92 would be cool, use 82 series dimensions to build a proof of concept gas two stroke, seems at least at lower rpm it could have plenty of time to clear the cylinder before the exhaust valve closes, and the injector can fire, maybe exhaust timing can allow early opening allowing scavenging as soon as the intake cracks open, maybe a secondary intake port and valve can be fitted, fillibg tge cylinder from both ends, with the intake valve opening after the exhaust closes, and lower ports are covered, using boost pressure to fill the cylinder as the piston is coming up, a moderate lift and low duration, to just crack the valve open to get more air, possibly a 1.94" valve with a high flow port, capable of near 200 CFM at
.500" lift, cracking the valve for about 15% of the stroke , will loose some compression, but should allow better volumetric efficiency, and the compression can be fixed with a smaller combustion chamber, or a slightly longer stroke! 92 or 71cid per hole, should make tons of power! Fuel with nitro methane! 😆 Sorry to ramble , it's the insomnia!! ✌️
Interesting, I have had that same idea aswell
Wayne this is so awesome! Excited for the next episode! Much love from South Africa.
Thanks man!
RADDD!!!! I’m so stoked to see a Gimmy headed out w run em w this setup!!! I know being unique ain’t easy or cheap so bigggg ups! MEN!!!
Thanks brother!!
Give you guys a lot of respect, very impressive work.
Keep the videos coming.
Thanks man!!
Holy Jesus! That's some effort, time, and enough money I don't even want to know haha. Impressive and can't wait to see after it's tuned and installed. I grew up not far from there, Barnhart is NOT the middle of nowhere...that's just down the road from where I'm at now.. LoL
Lol truth!
I am glad to see you back on after winter break can't wait to see you working on yours and your friends junk
More coming soon!
Maaan that sounds wicked at the end! I had a momentary fantasy of that in the daily work mule… That’d make the work day a lot more fun… probably less profitable… but way more fun!!
Fun is all that matters!
So glad to see you back!
Thanks!
ok thats the coolest thing ive seen this week. Awesome to see an old 2 stroke with modern controls on it.
I've been VERY curious to know what a 2 stroke could do with a modern fuel system. Was temped to buy a little 4 or 6 71 from just something to have in the barn to play with when I get 'spare time'....
Great to see you back Wayne, hope all is well and looking forward to new content.🇦🇺 1:48
Thanks man!
Last time I had that much oil in the airbox, the blower mounting gasket blew between the oil pressure feed to the blower into the airbox. The forman had me rebuild the engine because he that the engine was worn out. I told him there was too much oil in the airbox for that but I had no say in the situation. I had the engine apart on the bench when I suggested we pull the blower off, that's when the blown gasket showed its face. hahaha Forman just shut his mouth and told me to finish the engine.
Saw this on Facebook, sofaking rad guys!!!
Good stuff. I made a fuel primers from a factory super duty lift pump, helps solve fuel problems without cranking.
Diesel Geek. A label to be admired!
Awesome Video, Wayne. Be nice to see the truck at Onaway with the Common Rail System. Thanks for sharing.
Hell yea
Bro so bad ass like what just wow it’s so awesome I don’t even know what to say the amount of time with designing and custom making parts and to actually see it work is amazing that dude has probably forgotten more than I’ll ever know to be smart enough to figure out just how to make all this stuff play and work together to make something that was built in the early 80’s run and run really well I’m so blow away with this just wow I can’t wait to see where this goes. Freaking awesome!!
Thanks man!
This is going to be interesting. Is it DDEC based?
I've been interested in updating and "modernizing" the late 8V92, with higher speed blowers, blower bypasses, external air to air intercoolers, and modern turbochargers (including variable geometry/variable vane), or twin, smaller but more efficient turbochargers (mounted to the manifolds because exhaust heat = efficiency in turbochargers).
I'd like to see what kind of power and efficiency can be gotten from one of the old engines. There are advances in camshafts, valves, etc. Not to mention what can be achieved with modern pistons, piston rings, and materials in cylinder sleeves. The extreme cast iron, or compacted graphite would make great cylinders, along with coatings, and the new modern hone techniques, with diamond and CBN abrasives. The new titanium nitride coated steel rings are amazing. And the new piston forgings and machining.
An 8V92 TAB with 19:1 compression, trick turbochargers and internals, and a good aftermarket air to air intercooler, with common rail, and/or DDEC IV control should make an easy 750HP, with big torque numbers, 1850 ft/lb or better, at 1400 RPM, or maybe as low as 1250..
I'd be most interested to see how a smaller version of EMD's gear driven turbocharger would do on Detroits, it's worked out very well on their large locomotive, marine and stationary engines for decades. If you're not familiar with this design the turbo is connected to the engine's geartrain with an overrunning clutch, which keeps the turbo spinning fast enough to force air into the engine at idle or low throttle settings while also allowing exhaust pressure to take over at high throttle. The clutch disengages once there is enough exhaust to get the turbo spinning faster than the geartrain.
@@bobsmith2637 Like a hybrid Procharger/turbocharger!
It is not DDEC based.
ditch the roots blower while you're at it and get a screw type, banks performance did a video on why roots blowers at high rpm add alot of heat to the intake air and kill manifold air density, while a whipple supercharger is more efficient at higher rpm
ruclips.net/video/rJ6TGS0Edm8/видео.html
@@bobsmith2637 centrifugal superchargers have lag off idle, you have the worst of both worlds
centrifugal supers are great for tuned at rpm performance, but along a wide powerband they leave much to be desired due to how compressor maps work
Awesome video! Miss not seeing new vids. Welcome back Wayne
Thanks man!
Holy mother 😮 congratulation guys. Was dreaming of this kind of setup for the 7.3 international, that gives me faith !
Try feeding the fuel in the middle of the fuel rail instead from one end. I would think that would even out distribution of fuel. Love this stuff.
That is so cool I would like to see the difference in fuel consumption between the two in normal operation
Me too
Good to see you Wayne, missed your stuff. Good video
Thanks man!
You guys are having all the fun 🎉
that was wicked wyane thank you
Thanks!
Now you just need to program a governor surge into that idle, lol
I know right! Ha!
That opening intro was cool as heck. Loved the driveshaft footage!
Thanks man!
This is great! Detroits SO hard to find here in ETN. I’ve owned a few. About time to build another into some old lead sled.
Dude. Man yea another video with shaniginns with the ol2stroker🤘
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The sound wow!!!
Love the Smokey and the Bandit style intro. Just need a Jerry Reed song...
Man I sure wish it'd let me do that!
All I can say is badass!!!!! Thanks!!!!
Thank you!!
Thank You Buy
Great work
Keep on bringing New life yo those old bones
AWESOME! Lol Greta's perfectly timed apearances 😂
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This is awesome 🤘 I love the creativity, the innovation, in terms of using it on an old diesel, and the can do attitude towards the project. Stuff like this is what could potentially keep older diesels around, in terms of emissions related things, in my opinion.
Congratulations great work thinking out side the box.
That's fucking awsome love the sound of a 2 stroke Detroit and the smoke
Nice job, very well done.
Great work ,improving that Detroit 💨💨💨👌
Awesome video & educational Thx