Starship Troopers Commentary
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
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This week Duncan and Richard provide a commentary to Starship Troopers (1997).
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This is what I've been waiting for. Please keep the commentaries coming.
My complete sympathy for Duncan when Richard went off for a piss.
He completely had a Garth moment (Wayne’s World) after his Arnie impression. 😂
"I'm having a good time...not''
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Coincidentally a co worker told me today this film was his guilty pleasure. I told him it was my total pleasure and proud of it!
Also, Dizzy Flores = Ultimate wife material.
She probably caused many a carpal tunnel syndrome😏
My first question on a date is: have you ever killed a bug the size of a Nissan Qashqai? If she says no, I might kid her along for a bit, but I'm definitely not marrying her.
@@davidjames579 And you would be 100% right to do so, sir.
That's my Wednesday night sorted! Cheers lads!
I think Verhoevan’s sci-fi trilogy is very much connected by the theme of Identity. RoboCop has Alex Murphy regain his Identity, Total Recall involves Quaid choosing his own Identity (even if it’s a dream) and Starship Troopers ends with Rico loosing his own individuality and becoming a drone in a horrible society.
Of course I got none of that when I was twelve. I was all “fuck yeah kill dem bugs” and wanted a sequel. But the end ain’t meant to tee up more adventures. It’s to show that that war is fuckin’ endless 🥺
Glad I found you guys on a different channel, I'm a big fan of your work together.
The BBC called while you were in the toilet, Richard, they've moved your meeting with Tony Hayers forward.
I'll bring half a bottle of blue nun.
-R
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting And some cheese for that Mother!
Haven't watched it in quite a while, but it was a great satire on the sort of jingoistic flag waving guff from yesteryear. Did I say yesteryear?
Plus, Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown are two of my all-time favourite character actors.
I'm still here, like Alice or Alex Beer?
One of the best "movie that acts dumb but is actually really smart" movies ever.
I actually remember people at the time refusing to see it, after they saw the trailer, as they thought it was a dumb badly acted movie!
I can remember watching this in the cinema when I was 15. I went with a bunch of mates and one of them didn't get in because the lady at the tick box didn't think he was 18, we all got in laughing our heads off as he look like he was gonna cry. He went home and got his dad to come and tell her he was 18 and he got in about 20 minutes into the film. Good times.
Was this in the UK? It was a 15 at cinemas, but an 18 on video. I know as the BBFC later came out and said they were too lenient giving it a 15, and it should really have been an 18 all along.
David James yeah it was. I was very confused when it came out on video and it was 18. I thought maybe there was some added scenes with more violence or nudity but it looked the same to me.
@@garydarnell3117 Ok. I'm a little confused, why did the woman need your mate to be 18 to see a 15?
I remember watching it and being amazed it was only a 15. On video, the BBFC had/still have tougher standards, as they have the wonky idea that if a strong film only seen by 15yr olds+ in cinemas can be seen by minors at home, it should be given an 18. I guess because they just assume parents screen 15 certs to toddlers, but an 18's where their morality kicks in. Bit rubbish if you watched it in cinemas and you're under 18, or don't have younger siblings.
So yeah, the cinema and video versions of Starship Troopers are identical.
I probably don't want to live forever but I do want to hear this one!
I feel pretty silly for not having realized that this was an extremely satirical film when I originally saw it in theaters, but I suppose I was 11 at the time so I was just there for the big bug action. Like Robocop, this is a movie that gets better with age and perspective.
Wouldn't feel too bad. I had to explain to someone on my college course when I was 17 that it was a satire, because they thought it looked like Power Rangers.
No. 1 Scopolamine supplier to the great state of Val Verde. I should be good for something.
Ah there's the poo and fart jokes! Laughter is contagious. XD
36:38 The captain is Brenda Strong who was Elaine's rival Sue Ellen Mischke in some later episodes of Seinfeld [including the backwards one and an episode she wares a bra without a shirt before it was fashionable!]. Amusingly, she actually is also in Starship Troopers 2 as Sergeant Dede Rake.
I remember her playing a teacher in Third Rock From The Sun that Tommy gets the hots for.
Narrator of Desperate Housewives.
Narrator of Desperate Housewives.
funny commentary. Very informative. I can hear references from The Simpsons and Futurama all day. I love Paul Verhoeven and I like his critique of American culture through his trilogy of films (Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers). Which of the three films is your favorite? BTW Duncan, you look freaking handsome in that photo.
R Lee Ermy did voice over as the troops were getting ready
Also very excited too see a Starship Troopers commentary. I like the book, the description of the mech suits is cool. One of my favorite flicks, Thanks Guys!
Thanks for another great commentary guys. I do wish they had cast a more charismatic actor than Casper Van Dien as Rico [apparently Mark Wahlberg was offered it] and let Dizzy live but whatever. Also love how they have both the Kurgan [Clancy Brown] and General Katana [Michael Ironside] in the same movie!
Ol' Marky Mark isn't exactly a great upgrade (he's been bland as a bag of flour in some of his movies), but I know what you mean.
21:52 If you want an example of how the movie satires the book. This is a good example. Book-The recruiting officer is servery disabled so the new recruits know what there getting into. Movie-The same character is much more ironic ['army made me the man I am today!'].
How about that "nuke vs knife" scene. In the book the drill instructor discusses the nature of warfare and the use of "controlled and purposeful" violence. But in the movie, they cast Clancy Brown, so they have him be a ruthless violent badass.
Brilliant film
The magic is back. Bravo! I say, i say bravo!
58:18 all the displays are in 4:3 as a visual metaphor for propaganda not showing the whole picture.
Check out the band "Holy Light of Demons." They did a cheesy song based on Starship Troopers. They also did a song for the game Aliens Infestation on DS (good game).
I'm still here like Alice Beer.
awesome movie
Hooray. Iv had the Steel-book Blu-ray of this for over a year and still not opened it. Tonight sorted.
Nice one Dan!
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The government in the book is not fascist. "Elitist" is a far better description.
Here we go...
Judah Earl What are you thoughts on Judge Dredd? In no less than 2000 words.....
Never read it, liked both of the films though.
@@RainBird88x But he's a Fascist right, like the world of Starship Troopers is?
I wouldn't know, I'm not that familiar with his character or the society he lives in.
The Morita rifles are built off Mini-14s, the guns the A-Team used to use all the time in the TV series.
Michael Ironside loses his hand in The Machinist
Bill Paxton and Treat Williams.
Ernest Borgnine and Treat Williams.
Wasn’t Dina Meyer also the Romulan Commander in Star Trek: Nemesis (Tom Hardy’s greatest role 😂)
Alice Beer!
Great commentary on a great film guys! In response to a few of your points:
This being a Touchstone film, means Disney made Paul Verhoeven's Starship Troopers!
For years, the book was recommended reading for US troops.
Four films I can think of that take the piss out of what they're adapting would be:
Dr Strangelove (1964): an adaptation of the very serious nuclear weapons crisis novel, Red Alert by ex RAF officer Peter George. Kubrick originally intended to do a serious film, but realised as he wrote the script that each plausible incident was so farcical, that he was having to remove stuff to stop it being funny. At this point, he realised what gold he had, and so let it be a dark comedy. Peter George wasn't particularly happy about that.
Casino Royale (1967): Producer Charles Feldman happened to own the screen rights to Ian Fleming's first James Bond novel, the only one EON didn't have. His intention was to produce a rival Bond movie. He even offered Sean Connery a huge amount to come and work for him. But Connery said no. Feldman was so incensed that he decided he wanted to destroy the James Bond franchise's success by making the ultimate spoof of them, using his adaption of Casino Royale to do this. So CR went from a serious adaptation of a novel to a piss-take.
Everything You Wanted To Know About Sex (1972): Based off a serious sex manual, Woody Allen changed it into a film of comedy sketches about sex.
Adaptation (2002): Charlie Kaufman was tasked with adapting Susan Orlean's non-fiction book The Orchid Thief into a film. However, he became so stuck doing this, that he changed the script into being about how hard he was finding adapting the book. He inserted himself into the story, along with his fictional twin brother, Orlean herself, and invented a romance between her and the real life poacher she investigates in her book.
Since Starship Troopers, Casper Van Dien's done alright for himself, marrying a Princess. Which was the subject of a reality show he made with his wife, called I Married A Princess.
Aside from the Starship Troopers influences in Aliens, Cameron also had all the actors playing Marines read the novel.
The film cost 105 million and made 121 million. To be considered for a (full size) sequel, Hollywood rule is you need to make double your budget at least.
Zoe Poledouris is indeed Basil's daughter. IMDB contains some 'interesting' info: "At the age of nine years, she performed a piece on the recorder for her father which became the melody for "the orgy", which was featured in Conan the Barbarian (1982)". "Zoë later presented demos of her songs to film composer Christopher Tyng, who helped to further produce her songs. One of these songs, a curious dance number called "Into It", was chosen by director Paul Verhoeven to be performed in Starship Troopers (1997)".
"In a 2014 interview on The Adam Carolla Show, Michael Ironside, said that he asked Verhoeven, who grew up in Nazi-occupied Netherlands, "Why are you doing a right-wing fascist movie?" Verhoeven replied, "If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world".
Fifth element would be an awesome commentary
I'm still hear like Alice beer.
been looking forward to this one!
How about a trip to the Outer rings, Zegema Beach?
Great commentary guys! Loved this film as a teen. I think your spot on about the similarities between parts of the film and early 20th-century wartime propaganda. I'm fairly certain that the battle of Klendathu is directly influenced by the first day of the battle of the Somme.
Pretty sure the gun is a FAMAS.
Love the commentaries. Any chance you will have these loaded up to a podcast app?
Yeah man, it will happen. The will is there, it's just being able to a: fund it and b: administer. Appreciate that YT isn't the easiest medium for listening on the fly.
Give out a cheer, for Alice Beer!
I've been holding out on this, because I was waiting for the film to be shown on TV again. Now it has, so bring on the queefs.
The bugs look way better in this first film than any of the sequels, thats what I find most disappointing about the later material. Starship Troopers is however, a masterpiece.
Well.... 1:41 hours in and I'm still listening :) (fart jokes or no fart jokes...)
Fuck yes dunk and rich are back yo.
Im still here... Alice Beer
I'll have to save this for a special occasion
54:43 You're a Starship Truther, Richard
"...like if there was an anime about Nazi scientists..."
If. If?!
Oh Richard. So innocent when it comes to the weeaboo scene :D
Oh man. Fucking anime, I don't even know what weaboo means! 🤣
-R
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting It's a Western person who is obsessed with Japan. I was one in my teens.
Finally! :D
MEDIC!
A commentary & It Ain’t Broke of Orgazmo would be brilliant.
40:16
‘Being stabbed hurts but I’m not bothered’
That line needs to go on a t-shirt.
What is the best way to sync this? Start it on the DVD at zero?
Great commentary. Needs more cowbell.
Ya!!! Look Around You reference!!
Thanks Tchaikovsky. Thanksovsky. 😉
Will the commentaries be available on other podcast platforms anytime soon?
I'm still here
What are we drinking?
Alice Beer
YYEESSS!
I'm still here, Alex Beer? (Dunno who that is)
Alice Beer is a consumer affairs reporter that was on the BBC's Watchdog programme, but is now on ITV.
@@neilhutchinson4545 Thanks for the clarification. Long live Val Verde
@@bobilly No problemo.
U know what we need? A dark-gritty reboot. It will star some bland guy as Rico, probably another 1 of Aussie’s greatest hits and will point 2 fascism but won’t explain it. That way th people in th middle will be like “oh I get that!”
Neil Moritz has been trying to mount a remake (after the remakes of Total Recall and Robocop did so well). Verhoeven read a draft, and said it's disturbingly similar to the novel, with no sense of satire.
Cracking flick, and some nice insights you childish fascists. I’m also still here for the beer.
I’m still here Alice beer
OMG the DVD I bought just to watch this is so old. It advertises Wide-screen on the front, interactive menus, old BBFC stuff and the film is on 2 sides of the same disc. Flipping that when doing this is going to be fun. Typing before watching.
I didn't realise there were DVD's with the film spread over more than one side, like Laserdiscs.
@@davidjames579 the only time I've come across something similar is the extended Lord of the Rings DVDs. The films are split between 2 DVDs, which is understandable.
However, the first side of Starship Troopers is 55 minutes. There are no extras.
@@Frellyouall That's bizarre! I guess they used a cheap DVD or something? As DVD's appeal since the beginning has been a feature length film on one side (with exception of things like LOTR).
Did a little research, and that DVD was discontinued. It was replaced by The Special Edition, which thankfully doesn't need to be flipped. It also has some cool extras, inc commentary by Verhoeven and Neumeier, plus deleted scenes.
@@davidjames579 The first generation dvd's had a limited amount of storage space. It wasn't until they developed dual layer dvd's that they could put 2hr plus film's and all the extras on one side of a disc. I only know this useless information because I used to read tech review magazines.
@@neilhutchinson4545 Thanks! It's only today that I found out these spread discs are known as 'Flipper Discs'. I've encountered the weird-ness that is a whole film on one side of a DVD and a whole film on the other before, but never half a film each side.
It's funny as it's been said one of the reasons Laserdisc didn't take off with mainstream buyers was because they couldn't be done with pausing to change sides. Only when DVD came out did people see good reasons to give up VHS. So weird, to see a DVD suffering from the thing that put them off.
You lads still doing stuff with Harper or just doing your own content now?
Nope, we don't work with him any more, you'll find all our stuff here! 👍🏻
-R
Are you guys still friends? Or did something happen?
@@solofett- Eeehh... So we're not really able to say much for legal reasons. That being said; I have not spoken to Oliver since June, so no, we're no longer friends.
...sorry for such a depressing answer!
-R
I’m really sorry to hear that, you guys were such great fun to listen to and watch and I did almost daily, wish you guys the best
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting oh right ok fair enough. I prefer you guys anyway!
I'm still heeeerre like Alice Beer
Alice Beer is my wife’s name.
Hey rich hope the leg's OK. Been having a zombie fest today, just watched shaun of the dead for the first time in ages and just started playing resi 2. Really pumped for killing some undead fools, or something.
So i jist read that there is a tv show and a PG-13 reboot in the works. Wouldnt mind hearing your thoughts, as it's alway fun to hear you have a bit of a rant.
1:39:58
Would you consider doing a commentary for a episode of Robocop Prime Directives?
I personally would, it might kill Duncan, plus there's the worry no bugger would watch it!
-R
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting I only managed to get half way through the first episode it is so bad small Robocop Cable's moustache and overacting good luck if you do a commentary.
@@leejones8582 I managed about 30 minutes of the first one, and then started wondering if being waterboarded by the CIA might be more enjoyable.
Penetra-TION!
Who is Alice Beer? >.>
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Beer?wprov=sfla1
1 minute in....
1997!!!!!!!
It was 1997.
Love the commentary though.
98 in the UK
The problem with the film is Verhoeven let satire take over the entire film. At its heart RoboCop is a very human story with real characters played by excellent actors with some satire thrown in. Starship Troopers is all satire to the point where the characters are Ken and Barbie dolls played by bad actors just for satirical purposes. It doesn't work.
Satire works best as a three strip cartoon. When it's stretched to a novel or a two hour movie it quickly becomes tiresome.
Starship Troopers take the satire further by being a movie from that universe.
Yeah I'm not entirely sure as a viewer why should I care about this movie.