Companies need to start giving shows WAY more episodes. 8 episodes is usually not enough to tell a fleshed out first season. 12 episodes would make way more sense in terms of pacing and plot progression.
Or, y'know, the writers could do a better job at pacing their own story and actually focusing on the main plot instead of going on random side tangents with irrelevant characters.
@seabass5892 none of that changes the fact that 8 episode is not enough to flesh out most stories. What your suggesting leads to constant plot chase and no cool down which is terrible.
@@PeanutkingSunman I agree that having no cool down for the plot can feel bad to watch, but that isn't what I'm suggesting. You can have downtime for the main cast without introducing randos that do nothing for the plot and disappear at the end of the episode. Just dedicate the time used for them on the main cast instead.
Hazbin Hotel is unabashedly itself, it’s not trying to be the next Simpsons or South Park, it wants to be itself and be proud of that fact. I think that’s why the show has garnered such a strong reception, be it from those who love it or loathe it.
For being adult, it's actually less nasty and more kid-friendly than South Park. (Don't get me started on Family Guy.) Yeah, there are references to everything under the sun- but nothing any intelligent, well adjusted twelve year old couldn't handle if watching it with a parent. Kids need to understand Angel Dust's story. And Husk's.
@@ostlandr I also like Hazbin Hotel people should be happy it's not trying to copy most other adult shows. It reminds me of my favorite classic animated kids movies and kids shows from the 90s and the rest.
As far as I understand, Viv said that season 2 will explore more about the backgrounds of the main cast and that the Vees will be the main antagonists! I’m sure we have lots of interesting things to discover 🤩
"I am obsessed with how unashamedly cartoony and stylised it is" YES YES! I just resonate so much with this. People have a real gripe about the style which is fine, thats the joy of art. But I for one just find it a breath of fresh air EDIT: Slayers reference??? oH my aching nostalgic heart! Another nail~
My personal take on the story is that, it’s good, but some of its issues are likely because they weren’t sure they would get another season during production, so they wanted to get as much as they could and wanted to into a single season. With the way Streaming platforms treat animation, especially adult animation, you never know when your show will be cancelled…(side eyes Netflix and Max 😒)
They did the best they could with 8 episodes I feel. I wish that streaming services would give more episodes for the first seasons of shows, like I get not wanting to waste money on something that might not do well, but at least give them the proper amount of episodes for season 1 just to see if it would actually do well, then either cancel it or continue it from there.
Yes exactly! But honestly i dont mind how fast it went i just wished there were more episodes like if they stretched everything then i think there would be a lot less complaining
Something I find really cool is that you can see details about characters in JUST THEIR OUTLINES!! This was pointed out by someone on Tumblr, but for angels, their outlines are light gray compared to Charlie and demons, who have pitch black outlines. And for Vaggie, you can see that her outline is actually dark gray, slightly lighter than a normal demon's outline, foreshadowing that she used to be an angel! Which is just so cool if you pay really close attention to their designs!
I watched the show once and only noticed this in the last episode, so this could have some issues but I still find it interesting The teeth are also a hint from what I've seen. All the people in hell have triangular teeth (kinda like saw blades), except Vaggie, who has normal teeth like everyone in from heaven. The only other exception is Charlie, who has vampire teeth, since she is half demon from her dad and half human from her mom. The masks of executioners also have demonic teeth, but they're only masks so idk
Angel dust is the character I gravitate to as a surviving trafficked individual. From 17 till I was 19 I suffered under the pursuit of someone else's greed and lust of flesh by strangers. When it came to him saying if he just ruined himself, he wouldn't be wanted by his owner. Broke me to tears when I saw that scene. It brought solace that yes, people *know* the pain I have personally gone through. I didn't do c*ack or hard drugs, but I definitely abused myself in other ways to make the person doing this to me not want me because I'm not bringing in the money like I was in the beginning. After being lifted off the ground by just my hair, I tried desperately to find scissors after he left to cut my hair, but I wasn't successful. So I took a shower and cried as so much hair just came off my head. After I was caught in a sting operation, the life of healing from that experience. Its hard. The pain is there every day, the thought of being wasted goods all the years later, I still think. But I am greatly loved and cared for now and I'm grateful they depicted Angel Dusts story the way they did. It's very real.
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Another aspect of Vaggies design that was a bit lost on me till I was spoiled on her being an angel was that her hair resembles wings much more than it did in the pilot. A subtle piece of visual story telling that makes a lot more sense once you have the reveal
Yeah. Plus the fact that her many tones on her as well as her outline are the same shade of blue as the Seraphims and Lute. The hint that she was a fallen angel was right there in the character design, its so good!
Charlie’s design for the show looking more mature than in the pilot is so true! To me, she looks more like a late teen in the pilot while now in the actual show she looks like she’s in her 20s.
@@amdete8254 She is also a better main protagonist than most adult shows main protagonists she's the kindest and nicest character ever but she gets hated for it? Why this is better than a character who pretends to care about others and only caring about themselves.
Angel is actually in hell (theoretically) because his family was in the mafia and they all got turned into spider demons for their “web of crimes”. However his sister did make it into heaven, and she can be seen at the final shot of “Welcome To Heaven”.
I mean IDK if thats outdated or not. Either way Im certain we'll hear more about Angel Dust and his backstory in Season 2. He has so much to still go through
I'm thinking the mafia thing is still canon but either way, Viv has definitely stated the being gay isn't a sin in the Hellaverse so Angel's definitely not there for that reason
Even so, I suspect that his queerness plays an important role in his backstory. Being gay in Angel's time was particularly dangerous, especially in the mafia were people ended up killed for it. For now, we'll have to wait.
Angel was literally in the mafia when he was alive. He's not there because of his sexuality. (Keep in mind that Vaggie, a lesbian, was originally in Heaven.) They kinda skirt over backstories in Season 1, so I get why you wouldn't know. Hopefully they elaborate on these points in Season 2.
I somehow always manage to make every conversation I have with anyone about Hazbin hotel unless I’m just answering a yes or no question for my teacher and even then I still somehow do it! 🤣 I’m absolutely obsessed with this show and I can not wait for my Helluva boss - Boss bitch mug to come 😂 The only problem is that I’m 14 so I have to be careful with how I talk about the show so people will understand that it’s adult cause I’m pretty known for being more innocent than others in my class and people constantly make sex jokes around me because I make a “surprised pikachu face” every time so whenever I’m info dumping on people I have to make sure they know it’s not a kids cartoon
Hard same! I’ve been listening to the songs again and again for weeks in multiple languages as well even though I only speak English. I’ve watched dozens of analytical videos like this whenever RUclips recommends them and with Alastor I finally made a profile picture for the first time in years!
Honestly i think even people that love the show (i’ve been a fan even BEFORE the pilot) can admit that this show DESERVED more episode, but you can’t plan the team because it’s on Amazon and more of a state of streaming services and animation in general
I love the idea of Velvet being Vaggie's rival! Velvet is a fashion designer and apparently the Vees PR person, so there are a lot of interesting ways you can contrast her with Vaggie and make conflict between the two. Also, Velvet having beef with two of Hell's most important white haired woman is kinda funny to me.
Hmmm a Vaggie vs Velvette duel could be an interesting idea for a season 2 episode. I mean afaik the Vees will have a much bigger role next season, so the potential is there.
I think my favourite thing about this show is how not-edgy it is once you get past the Hell setting. The main character is almost Gisello-Rapunzelian in her optimistic idealism and the show is very much trying to be genuinely nuanced in its portrayals of the complex nature of justice and redemption.
The red in Charlie's hair is a nod to her horns! It's one of my favorite little character design elements in the whole show cuz its cute but reminds you that she's still the princess of hell at all times
About the vees, they are very much setting them up for season two, it makes sense for them not to do much in season one because of the limited screen time, it sets them up as characters to be expanded upon, without doing so just yet.
@@justahugenerd1278 not really, because it wasn’t really Heaven as the villain it was Adam who got permission to take his group and kill sinners in secret. The Exorcists, barring Adam and Lute, were shmucks who had instant-kill and invincibility cheats enabled, and they lost those by the end. But the Vees are a different kind of threat, they don’t want to kill (barring Vox’s feud with Alastor) they want control, they want to own the souls in hell, not destroy them. This is just pivoting from a military threat to a political threat
@@justahugenerd1278 not really, you forget about lute and Lilith. Plus I don’t think it’s that bad, they said it focuses especially on vox and their past with alastor, which in turn fleshes out alastor more which is welcome. If you want to think about this in a better light, the exterminations were the status quo, not anything new to hell, only the deadline was. We really haven’t “fought” heaven. Just the exterminators and adam (besides some heaven politics) imo it makes sense for them to focus more on hell in the next season since the status quo has changed (angels can be killed!) and people taking advantage of it (the vees) but that’s just my opinion Edit: I wrote this without seeing the comment above me but my point still stands oops djjsjs
I think people are jumping the gun when it comes to Lillith's last scene. We see from the family portraits that Lillith genuinely loves Charlie and Lucifer and nothing the other characters say indicates she has an evil bone in her body. I think she went to Heaven in order to fulfill some part of a plan to keep Charlie and/or her kingdom safe. I think she has duped Lute and Adam and will betray Heaven as Lillith won't hurt Charlie; she loves her daughter.
I mean, as far as we’ve heard, Lilith seems at least selfish. We see her and Lute and the only things we know are: A, she abandoned Charlie and Lucifer when they’re both emotionally unstable. B, she has been missing for 7 years with no contact with Charlie even though Charlie constantly tries to call her. If she really cared, she wouldve at least left a way to let Charlie contact her. C, the first time we see her in the present, she’s chilling at a beach in heaven without a care in the world as Lute is demanding to “remake” a deal she made with Adam so she can stay in heaven. It’s not really rocket science to put two-and-two together to say she’s an awful person from what we’ve seen.
Angel Dust is in hell because he was a gangster in life alongside his father and brother. He’s a spider because of his family’s “web of crime.” He’s not there because he’s gay.
I'm obsessed with this show. It's so incredibly diverse. Every characters voice is so unique, the expressions are amazing, colors are vibrant, story is incredible, and the thing I love most about this show is that they know how to represent different sexualities without making it about their entire personality. You know Charlie is lesbian, but they don't even mention it and treat it like a normal thing, which it is
I feel like a lot of the writing shortcomings have a lot to do with time constraints, with being given only 8 episodes to work with. I can only imagine how difficult that conversation was to decide the direction of the show with so little to work with. Hopefully, with its success, Amazon will give them a bigger budget for more episodes.
I should give this series another shot. Back then, I was still super into my Catholic upbringing. My thoughts were "Why are you giving the people in Hell a chance at redemption? They're in Hell for a reason!" But, now that I'm older, and have strayed from the faith, I'd probably enjoy it. And hey, the hotel could be seen as the newly-installed Purgatory! Idk if that's canon, but I guess I'll find out. Edit: Oh, okay, Thomas and I had essentially the same religious experience and transition to a form of Atheist, except I was thoroughly ingrained in the faith. I like to sill believe in heaven and God, and that humanity corrupted His word. Though, I also believe in the potential of oblivion. It seems the most likely, scientifically speaking.
I've been hyped for this series since the pilot came out, and I really REALLY enjoyed it. It does point out the hypocrisy of religion (but it also shows there are people in religion who truly believe in good, who are appalled by hypocrisy), so I hope that you can enjoy it if you watch it again
I'm also a Catholic but I do believe the Sinners in Hazbin Hotel can be redeemed. Because technically, being in Hell means you passed, right? What if you didn't have time to redeem because your life ended abruptly and end up in Hell? Not to say I'm trying to argue with you, just stating my view on the show as a Catholic. I just see it as a story and not really going against my religion, so I'm okay with the premise.
Im not for challenging anyone's religious beliefs if they dont force it on others, but to the thought process i would point out: "it is fiction. 'hell' is just the name of the setting, not necessarily the same one you personally believe in. In the context of the show, all the setting is doing is adding magic to the hard reality we face and the struggles of staying pure and/or redeeming yourself for past sins." If life or consciousness exists past death, why should they not be given a chance to reflect on themselves or confess to wrongdoings? Maybe it is my understanding of hell from an outside perspective, but isnt the punishment of hell meant to enlighten those who would not otherwise recognize their sins? It punishes not those who sinned, but those who refuse to accept they sinned or refuse to (sincerely) apologize for it; AKA, hell punishes those who revel in sin, and ONLY those who revel in it. Heck, the show tackles the exact idea of hell and heaven being "forever"s through 2 songs, both mentioned in this review: "Hell is forever" expressing that exact belief that your mortal life is the one you must control, and "you didnt know" that questions the eternity of the afterlife as a general concept. Can we mortals even process "forever", especially in a context where we must "live" (remain conscious) through it? If you dont give the show itself a chance, the songs themselves might be a good way to judge when most agree they are the peak of the show, anyway.
I do not understand why people hate mimzy so much. She is a one off character who comes, gives some needed context to Alastor's character while being a reference to early hazbin hotel development, then leaves to be in the background of episodes at best.
Because her inclusion is unnecessary and bloats an already bloated story. Context to Alastor? Did you even watch the episode? All she did was go on another tangent on how Alastor is mysterious and spooky!! She does give us insight on how Alastor was when he was alive but why should we know that so early for a mysterious character? She sucks
One thing I'm hoping for season 2 is Vaggie exploring what it means to be a fallen Angel which is something she and Lucifer could bond over. Two of the most important people in Charlie's life, maybe also resulting in Vaggie getting a demonic power up of some kind. Or furthering the storyline she and Carmilla have, befriending her daughters as sparring partners maybe.
Most of the fanbase considered Charlie, Angel Dust and Alastor to be the main trio since their presence carried the narrative of the series and being more popular than most characters. If you remove Charlie or Alastor, it won't be Hazbin Hotel without either of those two.
I feel cringe for what I'm about to say. I'm a gay guy from the deep south, I've lived here my entire life and I've been gay since as young as 6 years old - my first crush was Peter pan. Being a closeted gay guy my whole life, stuff like hazbin hotel and even helluva boss are extraordinarily important to me. A fictional world where almost every character are some degree of queer, and it's completely normal, is unironically crucial escapism for me. I love living vicariously through them and getting some relieving catharsis from all the gay drama. I can't state enough how much these two shows mean to me just for the fact that I have no outlet to express my true self.
I love how, despite the relationship between Charlie and Vaggie, and Angel Dust being genderfluid AF, and all the rest- the show is 180 degrees from "woke".
Apparently Viv annonce that the Vee will be season 2 main antagoniste so she probably give them so mutch spotlight to set up for it. I think that S1 wanted to move along the plot so that the hotel become a force to be recone with by the end (instead of the joke it was at the beguining) as well a setting thing up for s2. And that was a bit to mutch to do in 8 épisode
In a recent livestream Vivziepop promised next season would go into more backstories and the Vees would have a bigger role. I think she delayed these on purpose because she thought if she spent the first season on character backgrounds it would peak too soon. Fans would keep watching next season to learn more about the characters after the Heaven plot was (somewhat) resolved. Looking back, a lot of primetime shows would have a fantastic first season exploring the characters but then struggle afterward (Heroes, O.C, Once Upon a Time). Vivziepop was likely trying to avoid this. Was it the best idea? We'll see.
20:54 oh my god I just realised that the 'flap' of hair overlapping with the X over Vaggie's eye resembles an angel wing. The design elements of this show are *_genius._*
I wasn't expecting you to talk about Hazbin hotel, but I'm happy you did. And I agree with basically every point. I've heard season 2 will have more episodes and I hope that's true. It really feels like the show, especially it's story, needs more breathing room
Yeah. I love the show but like everyone else, I fully agree that it deserved more breathing room, like 10 or even 12 episodes. But I also realise its not so much in the hands of the creators but more so a symptom of the industry and the uncertainty there is in it right now. I dont know how Viv and the rest of the team managed to get a 2nd season secured even before the first trailer for season 1, but I assume they might have been using popularity from social media teases and perhaps Helluva Boss' popularity to give them credibility and leverage in negotiations. Though of course neither of those were around when Season 1 began production with its set deal and contract, presumably back in 2020.
THANK YOU, for making these 16:28 two points- everyone saying “oh it’s too much red” that’s the point, the characters have a main pallet it ties them together! 28:33 on the other hand here, I believe that the V’s are very obvious set ups for the second season. Though I do think that, according to some sources and a livestream or two, the supposed focus in season two, the characters and having the V’s as the antagonists, should’ve been the first season, with the second focusing on the extermination and heaven and stuff- though in the end maybe it was because of the very limited EIGHT EPIOSDES. I pray that we get more for season two
The Vees are confirmed to be the primary threat in Season Two, and the whole reason we got them sparsely in this one was so that they wouldn't overshadow the major plot of the impending Extermination. As a trio of the most powerful Overlords around, and Alastor having been the only one we knew about initially, the rest of them had to be shown for context as well. At the same time, if any of these characters just.. appeared randomly, people would complain about why weren't they around before, especially with how influential all of them are in the Pride ring. So I think that's a "bigger picture" situation, and with only eight episodes, could any of us.. indeed, anybody, do any better, with how much material they had to go through? As somebody who's been involved with (and also briefly professionally worked in the games industry), I know from experience that cuts always have to be made, whether for budget, technical issues or simply to narrow the scope. The clock is always ticking, and the axe gets brought down, every time. But a good production does the best with what it's got to work with, and for that, Vivzie and company should be commended for what they've made, flaws 'n all. Finally, while "acknowledging a problem doesn't excuse it", Adam literally complains about all the red in their clothing during the fight with Alastor. We've seen via Helluva Boss that the setting isn't JUST that, as each section of Hell has their own unique designs and palettes, so.. as our strawberry pimp himself said at the end of the pilot, we just need to stay tuned.. All in all? Great video! Well edited, solid takes, and even the things I don't agree with are presented in a fair and even-handed manner, so I can respect 'em. Kudos and keep up the good work!
1:01 It's more Stolas becoming a main character rather than the show not focusing on the main characters. Season 2 goes on to go more in depth with every single character. The characters getting more depth made them so much better than season 1.
Its about "which characters get focus" rather than not having focus on characters. The latter half of season 2 (so far) is basically all about ozzy and fizzoroly, of which the latter and stolas basically become the main cast for the show (alongside blitzo) and M&M are left behind while loona, the weakest of the IMP cast isnt fleshed out despite being the one who needed it out of everyone. Season 2 was also just generally heavier on the melodrama than season 1, and sands some characters down too much to make them less massive assholes which ironically weakens their appeal
@@notarealperson8956 Personally I enjoy the characters being fleshed out to be better people. I have a hard time enjoying season 1 because all of the characters although funny just suck, they're just such bad people with practically no redeeming qualities. Also FYI Loona hasn't been fleshed out because her VA has been having a really tough time irl after her fiancé passed.
Granddad always said "One man's meat is another man's poison." And Mom said "Thats' why there is more than one flavor of ice cream." Everybody has different tastes. Happened to run into a guy I knew at the theater going to the see the original "Ghostbusters" movie. I gave it 10/10, he gave it 0/10.
i really love the idea that the vees think theyre some crazy powerful force that the hotel needs to fear, but they're more like the team rocket to ash and pikachu and are more of just a minor menace that pops up occasionally lol
I’ve become hopelessly obsessed with this show after watching the entire first season in one night with my sibling. And I am in severe pain every time I remember that the next season is coming in about 2 years. Edit: every time I see that scene where Charlie starts singing “It Starts With Sorry” and Pentious blinks twice alongside the sound effects….i freaking lose it. Pentious’s innocent tears and the look on his face kills me and I start laughing uncontrollably to the point where I can hardly breathe
A few things to mention... First off... Angel was more than likely in Hell for his wrathful tendencies on top of his lustful ones. His father was a mobster and I can assume that Anthony was involved in some of his father's business. His sister Molly managed to get into Heaven (you can actually see her in the "Welcome to Heaven" song) because she probably didn't get involved into the family business. Secondly... God does indeed exist in the series. Vizvi has drawn pictures of what he looks like. He's a very tall and slender man wearing a white suit, white hat and a fuzzy cape. He has no face but has 4 large eyes floating around his head. Lastly... Vivzi said that there will be a character she will eventually introduce named "Root". Root is supposed to be like the "Root of all Evil". Said character will probably be even more vial than Valentino. The reason why Luci fell was because when he gave Eve the Apple he unintentionally allowed Root to start corrupting the human world.
i am obsessed with Carmillas VA and singing aaaaaa o/////o (28:00 also im glad you caught this. This show suffered from "we dont know if thisll blow up or not so blast through content")
I've been listening to the album on Spotify on repeat!! I'm excited for my Spotify wrapped this year even more so!! I'm in loooove w/ this show. Sure some things can be improved, but out of everything that's being produced right now this show is awesome!
I agree with you with a lot of this: it’s a really awesome show! Flawed, but awesome. I do think that they were rushed with the script though. Like, they wanted to make a 12 episode series, but they said “you get 8 to start with, and we’ll see from there”. I’m hoping that next season gets more episodes, and can slow down with the story, since it’s proven to be a hit. And hopefully with more episodes, we get more smaller moments focused on the actual main cast of characters, and it shows how the system betrayed them. I’m excited for season 2 though overall
My Brother came to me and said: you will love this show, the Songs are super cool! I‘ve Never Heard about it before, but i thought: fuck it, maybe he is right. Now whenever we meet we will sing Loser, Baby together and i hate and love him for this. Really, i Never thought i would be SO hyperfixated for the characters and i cant wait what they will do in the next Season. (I will hate Amazon IF they try to cancel this shit)
Honestly, it's good thing Vivziepop never join Netflix. I don't know if you never watched the old streams but Vivziepop said why she would never pick Netflix is due to how they treat their animators.
I was the same about hazbin and helluva at first i didnt even finish helluva boss season 1 but hazbin was so good I got super obsessed rewatched helluva and full moon and apology tour were so good in my opinion im obsessed over both now.
Personally I'm hoping the vees get to stand out more as villains in season 2 what with potential fallout from the war with the exoricists and the possibility that the hotel will seem more viable as a concept whcih would personally threaten the vees outside their beefs (as the idea of redemption weakens their hold on hell and the powerbase they were striving for), but that's just me.
Yeah exactly. It makes perfect sense, giving Season 1 time for them to get established on the side to exemplify their prominence and power in Hell, and in the case of Valentino and Angel, see some of their industries and cruelty.
Lmao! It ssslaps! The stress on the “slaps” part was hilarious! Great video! Positive reviews and adoration of Hazbin Hotel need to start getting more traction than negative ones, like Sarcastic Chorus and the like.
I dont mind season 1 being about actually getting the idea acrossed to Heaven that redemption is possible. So in the next seasons, all we oughta focus on is actually doing the walk to redemption thing. But i do wish they had more episodes this season
As someone who tried SO hard to be into vivzie's work (helluva boss) and following along for a while and now has no clue what the fucking plot is supposed to be (besides the I.M.P), because of that experience, I *really* didn't want to watch hazbin hotel for the longest time. All of my friends became obsessed and fell in love with the characters while I sat on the side, resenting viv's work. My excuse was "It's not my type of show", "It doesn't look like something I'd enjoy", etc. Last month, when the finale dropped and my friends were all exploding about how awesome it is, I decided to give it a watch, and holy shit that was my whole personality for the past month. My favorite characters changed often, I've re-watched the series at least 5 times now, and I love all the little details that you can find when watching. Hell, I started recording covers for songs with my friends that I'm posting soon, and I just can't get enough of this silly little series. The plot makes sense, I understand the characters, the animation is beautiful and same with the songs, and this is something that I will not be forgetting about anytime soon, unlike viv's other work that has continued to disappoint me. I absolutely cannot wait for season 2 and I am so excited for what's to come :)
This was a great video essay; you did a great job breaking down the really cool elements that make this show so good! I know this show is far from perfect thanks to certain issues, like some of the writing and pacing, but I think this show is really good. A fun story with great characters, a unique and recognizable art style, and great music! I know the show and creator are plagued with controversy, most of which I feel is overdramatized, though I think some criticism is warranted. But despite all of that, I'm very pleased with what Viv has created and even proud. I used to watch her videos many years ago and seeing how far she's come is really inspirational. I hope after seeing how popular this show has become, A24 or whoever's in charge will allow season 2 to have more episodes.
I really really really hope A24 and Amazon give Vivzie and her team more episodes for Season 2. We need more episodes to flesh out the story and characters more. And maybe just a few filler episodes for funsies.
I highly recommend giving episode 3 of season 2 of helluva boss for moxxie goodness, and episode 6/7 are easily the best episodes of the series. Glad you loved hazbin hotel!!! It's definitely a highlight if 2024 already and will easily be my favorite shkw this year
plus, regarding helluva season 2, mammon is such a GREAT villain, both funny but also really threantening when he wants to be "You're. a bloody. LEGEND."
@sarafontanini7051 i love mammon so much! He's literally the perfect villain, sloppy, disgusting, vile, abusive, manipulative, punchable face, He's got it all lol
Yeah. The first bit of season 2 isnt as strong as season 1 but episode 6 onwards has been really great. Plus I am a tad surprised about the Stolas comment made in the video since there's actually not even that much of him. It might have felt a lot since Season 1 episode 8 released late, making S1ep7, S2ep1, and S2ep2, all of which feature Stolas and to some extent a focus on his relationship with Blitzo, come in immediate succession. But after that, Stolas is only in episodes 4 and 6. Being kidnapped throughout 4 and mostly assisting Asmodeus in episode 6. And episode 6 and 7 are basically a 2-parter focusing mostly on Fizzarolli and Asmodeus.
HH’s biggest downfall has definitely been its limited episodes so far. I have a feeling that it wasn’t green-lit for more than eight because it was already seen as a bit of a risk for its more mature content. Season one’s reception would more than likely dictate how many episodes season two would receive (or even IF they’d allow a season two). So yeah, once again, it sucks how art is restricted by whether or not it will receive funding. Granted, Helluva Boss sometimes struggles with pacing and tonal whiplash too. So, I think the series would benefit if someone in the writers room helped Viv with pacing the show better.
Hazbin hotel is the right kind of funny and cool and i'm glad in the series they flat out say that angels and gods are jerks and aren't perfect and i like The devil bond with his daughter and his little rivalry with Alister really this show is amazing and i love it
Helluva Boss has massively gotten better. Blitzo's gotten real character development (making peace with Fizzoroli is gradual but it helps him face his other demons) and the Midseason episode was PERFECT in every way.
It really speaks to just how solid the concept is for Hazbin Hotel that despite a lot of mistakes in its delivery/pacing (something that is usually a death sentence for modern animated shows) it still evoked such an overwhelmingly positive response! Your review matched a lot of my own feelings about the show, I definitely agree that season 1 felt like an amalgamation of two seasons into one, one that just didn’t have the runtime necessary to spread its focus that wide. I see a lot of similarities between both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss’s shortcomings, most notably Viv’s tendency to stray from the magic of her original premise as a consequence of trying to bring in an overwhelming amount of characters and adding subplots with those characters that competes with the original premise rather than works in tandem with it. I really hope Viv brings in a developmental editor onto her team for future seasons to help make sure all her ideas get the best delivery possible. Story delivery is a totally seperate skill to creating good story and character ideas, Viv is fantastic at the latter, she just needs help from someone who knows the craft of delivery to truly elevate her stories and characters to their full potential!
Before the first official EP I didn’t know this project even existed. Now I am obsessed with this show. (But not as much as Verbalase of course). ... HOWEVER, EMILY-
I’ll also note that I love the way they handle Alastor’s complete overpoweredness. Some stories will fail to balance their powerhouses’ abilities with story and one will end up crushing the other, but Hazbin does a good job of keeping his insane power on the periphery, instead focusing on Alastor getting by on his wits and his ability to keep everyone around him guessing. The two times we see him let loose are in episode 5, where he specifically makes a spectacle to retain society’s fear of him and to “remind everyone why I am here,” and in episode 8 with his fight with Adam. Now, I’ve seen some people claim that Adam was too powerful for Alastor, but that’s not how I read it. Alastor has not yet shown the real upper limits of his power, but it is good to note that we don’t see them in this battle. This isn’t due to the somewhat lazy power nerfing that some shows will resort to when they need a powerhouse to lose, though. This is a good creative choice that has Alastor’s hubris lead to his downfall. He is very clearly toying with Adam, pointing out the flaws in his fighting and taunting him instead of going in for the kill. As a result, he underestimated Adam’s sheer power and how Adam only needed a few good hits in to take over the battle. Alastor was so confident in his ability that he gave up the relatively easy kill he should have had. His array of abilities is far more flexible (and arguably more powerful) than Adam’s, but he failed to keep his guard up, meaning that once Adam hit his mic-staff, there weren’t enough protections to save it - or him. Alastor has been shown to be able to fade into shadow at will, create objects, grow in size, create portals, and more, but he decided not to go all-out, underestimating the strength of his opponent and overestimating his own capabilities given the elements of his power he was using. It’s a really well-done example of utilizing a character’s flaws to allow them to lose a battle that they by all rights should have, or at least could have, won. I’m surprised no one else is talking about it, honestly. And yes, the era of 8-episode seasons needs to end. A lot of the issues you brought up could have been fixed if they got even a couple more episodes (or preferably Netflix’s usual count of 13 per season). That said, they did a truly great job with the 8 episodes they had.
People on Twitter hate this show, and they make some pretty valid points at it's flaws. Then again, it's Twitter, they're mostly mad at Vivzie, and media literacy is dead. I adored this show for what it was. It's not their fault they only got 8 episodes for season 1. Personally, my least favorite songs were usually Charlie's. I loved More Than Anything and the reprise, though. But the ones with upbeat kicks always got me more. Another note, the songs were actually partially written by one of the members of The Living Tombstone, which is super neat. It comes out spectacularly with Hell's Greatest Dad, which honestly? Reminds me a little of Friend Like Me from Aladdin.
Not to mention that, if the average Bible Belt Christian tried to watch it, their heads would explode during the intro to Episode One. And OMG the virulent h8 that would be directed at Charlie and Vaggie, and more so at Angel Dust.
@@ostlandrHonestly, as a Christian I appreciate the show because of it's message on changing for the better and giving others a chance at redemption. Charlie herself represents unconditional love and kindness to even some of the worst types of people which is why i enjoy her character so much. She is literally following in the footsteps of the person who's basically her grandfather without even knowing it.
The thing to note about I'm Always Chasing Rainbows is that, far from being written for the show, it is a popular Vaudeville piece from 1917 included to capture Charlie's character and mood, and possibly to save on song writing costs for the pilot.
While the extermination/heaven arc could have used some extra time to cook, it had to be the plot of season one, so Charlie+gang vould show Heaven the Hotel's premise works. Thanks to Sir Pentious, there's proof the sinners can change and Charlie can now work on helping more people without the pressure of another extermination on the hotel's doorstep. The Vees are most likely going to be anti-redemption and they'll take the reins in season two, especially if Angel goes on to be redeemed. Val's not going to let his "toy" go without a fight. I believe Viv has confirmed that the Vees will be the main antagonists now that Adam's gone, but I'm not certain about this. I'd also like to suggest that Lute's disgust with Charlie and Vaggie's relationship wasn't homophobia. I feel like it's more about Vaggie being an angel, although a fallen one, and Charlie being a Hellborn/Lucifer's daughter. While it's not any better, it maybe even makes it a bit worse since it can be viewed as racism from Lute's perspective, I think it adds a layer to her character. It shows she's disgusted with the pure concept of Hell, and anyone who is sympathetic towards it and it's inhabitants. She's an exterminator and probably harbours hatred for anything hell related
I don't think they necessarily needed to prove that sinners could make it to heaven in season 1 to make the plot work. There are plenty of questions besides that to tackle like how people end up in heaven/hell, redemption as going into heaven vs redemption as in becoming a better person, if people should even be expected to conform to heaven's standards to be considered redeemed, etc. Charlie doesn't have a clear idea on how to help people get better and there's the struggle of finding the motivation to try in the face of how impossible it seems, which could've carried the plot while we got to see everyone bond. We missed out on a lot of that because wrapping up the extermination plotline in one season meant skipping most of 6 months when this was happening.
Interesting to note that (as it was related to me) in Islam, Lucifer (aka Iblis, aka Shaithen) is the way he is because he's an Angelic Supremacist. Which actually makes sense. In that version of the story, God calls all his angels together and says "Behold my greatest creation- Man! Bow down and worship him." (the following is my take on it, and not scripture.) Lucifer takes one look at Adam and goes "Waaaaaaait a second. We're your greatest creation, remember? You made us from fire- you made that thing from mud. No way am I worshipping that thing! Who's with me?" This of course leads to the "war in heaven", and Lucifer and his rebel angels getting kicked out. Lucifer tells God "I will prove to you that your new creation is flawed. I am going to lead as many of them as I can away from your grace." God says "If you can lead them astray, you're welcome to them."
A great thing with this show is that you can understand why characters think like they do even if you disagree with them, you might disagree with why haven has the exorcists but its also understandable why they do, just look at the behavior of the average demon and most will understand why the fear is there.
Hazbin has definitely become a major guilty pleasure show for me haha! I was similar to you in that I really didn't go into Hazbin expecting to love it nearly as much as I did. I liked Helluva's first season and continue to watch the second but really don't love it. I also wasn't taken by the pilot. I thought it was a neat idea but that's it. However, I found Hazbin to be so incredibly charming and I truly enjoyed the first season. I ended up loving Angel Dust as a character and he has absolutely become a favorite of mine out of all the media I'm into in general. I also adored the music as someone who had a crazy strong Broadway phase (and admittedly still is kinda in that phase), it was such a treat to listen to. Loser Baby and Hell is Forever have been totally stuck in my head for days! My biggest issue with the show is the pacing, I just wish we had more episodes to explore these ideas in. I think the show would have benefited from saving the reveal of the dead angel till later, focusing more on each of the sinners, and using the Vees as more active villains this season but I have heard that they will be more present in the next season. I think more screen time would have fixed most of my issues but I doubt the show runners got much of a say in the amount of episodes. Despite my qualms with the show, I really loved it! Absolutely one of my favorites as of late!!
7:00 agreed on this point. I love Encanto as much as the next guy, but it’s become clear at this point that Disney musicals as a whole lost a lot of their charm when then started leaning more toward pop and less toward showtunes.
And also having more of the complex or non existent villains too. Which isn't awful at all don't get me wrong, but it does mean we miss the cool villain songs :(
34:51 YES EXACTLY I've been telling people that Alastor is my favorite bc he reminds me of Xellos who is my favorite in Slayers. I do think Alastor shows his evil side a lot more than Xellos does, but mysterious, smiles all the time, ridiculously powerful, and a demon? All of these are check marked the same.
Who else thinks Lucifer is autism-coded? Because as a person who has ADHD and Autism(and of course a former Christian do to my own beliefs) never once did I think I could relate to the devil in any way shape or form And I love it
It helps when you realize that Lucifer and Promethius are the same guy. 🙂 If you seriously read Genesis 3 about the "apple" (actually "the fruit of the Tree of the Knowldege of Good and Evil") and Eve, it gets seriously weird. God lied to Adam and Eve. The Serpent told them the truth. And verses 22-23 are seriously disturbing, and let something slip: 22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
I feel like a lot of the issues with the story could've been solved by just having a few more episodes. Hopefully since it's been pretty successful Amazon will allow them to have more episodes next season.
more than anything warmed my cold dead depressed heart, so, far i had to cry which is a milestone not manye series have accomplished. but i love it. i carved for something that can make me cry.
Aww, I really like Chris Pine’s “This is the Thanks I Get”. I only saw Wish a few days ago and having seen Hazbin Hotel (the whole season about dozen times) first actually made me appreciate the music and songs of Wish more than I might have if I had seen it first.
The Angels were the main antagonists so the Vees were pushed to the side but the Vees will be the main villains next season. Also Angel Dust is in hell because he was a drug dealer in an Italian mob
I reasoned threw the soundtrack the morning before I watched it all and there were some songs I loved before watching Including Lute and Adams part of You Didn’t Know After watching and having context I fell in love with even more of that song and the others like Hell is Forever and Stay Gone
@@ostlandr I definitely have some that rank higher on what I love But they all are so well written (even if they don’t all fit the story perfectly. I love the song out for love but that all Vaggie had been doing even when outed she cared about Charlie and the hotel) At first I thought Addicted was better then Poison but once I actually learned the song Poison is so much better It’s such a good song and it tells such a harsh story especially with the animation.
Gotta say I do agree a lot with your point about the Vee's. I like them a lot and it would have fit way more if they played a more important antagonistic role to the main cast before the extermination finale, but at the same time I'm excited what they bring to the table in season 2 ^^ Also I adore lucifer in this show, that lovable goofball of a father :3
I agree that a live action Hazbin Series wouldn’t be a great idea but I’d be VERY interested to see, at least as an experiment to test the quality of one, an adaptation for the stage
The very shorten reason for the change in cast is there. Hazbin Hotel was always meant to be a musical series. The pilot episode had 2 sets of VAs, ones that spoke and ones that sang. In the series, they cast VAs who can do both. With it being a series with 2 songs per episode with the characters changing up singing partners (all the duets, musical lol) They needed to make sure that not only does that speaking and singing need to match, all the people singing need to sound good together. No, I will not be bringing in the logistics and finer details in my comment. Shortened simple reason for info sake.
This show reminds me a lot of The Good Place, with its philosophical study of what makes a soul worthy of getting into heaven, and wether punishment in hell is fair or not. Both series have a group of protagonists that question the status quo and an antagonistic force that benefits from the system as is (although in TGP the demons are the antagonists, with the angels being mostly incompetent fools).
I would add that I really love that Vaggie and Charlie's relationship is depicted as healthy. It isn't perfect, it isn't flawless, but its emotionally mature in a way I appreciate. More healthy long term queer realtionships in media please. No tortured will they/won't they, no dragged out miscommunication based drama. Just two people that support eachother and know each other and can see through the bumps in the road when they come up. I just appreciate that.
I'm so impressed with that. Charlie and Vaggie are a couple. Angel Dust is genderfluid. But that's just part of their characters, and not the show's reason for existing.
Companies need to start giving shows WAY more episodes. 8 episodes is usually not enough to tell a fleshed out first season. 12 episodes would make way more sense in terms of pacing and plot progression.
Or, y'know, the writers could do a better job at pacing their own story and actually focusing on the main plot instead of going on random side tangents with irrelevant characters.
@seabass5892 none of that changes the fact that 8 episode is not enough to flesh out most stories. What your suggesting leads to constant plot chase and no cool down which is terrible.
No 12 episode isn't enough either we need to go back to 20 episode seasons
@@seabass5892 Both. Episodic episodes used to work with the plot, not be a victim of distrust from publishers for people to watch the show.
@@PeanutkingSunman I agree that having no cool down for the plot can feel bad to watch, but that isn't what I'm suggesting. You can have downtime for the main cast without introducing randos that do nothing for the plot and disappear at the end of the episode. Just dedicate the time used for them on the main cast instead.
Hazbin Hotel is unabashedly itself, it’s not trying to be the next Simpsons or South Park, it wants to be itself and be proud of that fact. I think that’s why the show has garnered such a strong reception, be it from those who love it or loathe it.
For being adult, it's actually less nasty and more kid-friendly than South Park. (Don't get me started on Family Guy.) Yeah, there are references to everything under the sun- but nothing any intelligent, well adjusted twelve year old couldn't handle if watching it with a parent. Kids need to understand Angel Dust's story. And Husk's.
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I also like Hazbin Hotel people should be happy it's not trying to copy most other adult shows.
It reminds me of my favorite classic animated kids movies and kids shows from the 90s and the rest.
As far as I understand, Viv said that season 2 will explore more about the backgrounds of the main cast and that the Vees will be the main antagonists! I’m sure we have lots of interesting things to discover 🤩
It’s should’ve been the reverse
I LOVE THE VEES
THE FUTURE OF HELL BELONGS TO THE VEES FR
(dont rlly like valentino tho ngl)
If that's the case, I'm gonna need season 4 to be a definite. There's so much to explore in the world building.
@@johnson6099 she should’ve done the world building along with the plot
@@WeebGuru6 nah Adam is pretty much just an introductory villain, perfect for season 1.
"I am obsessed with how unashamedly cartoony and stylised it is" YES YES! I just resonate so much with this. People have a real gripe about the style which is fine, thats the joy of art. But I for one just find it a breath of fresh air EDIT: Slayers reference??? oH my aching nostalgic heart! Another nail~
My personal take on the story is that, it’s good, but some of its issues are likely because they weren’t sure they would get another season during production, so they wanted to get as much as they could and wanted to into a single season. With the way Streaming platforms treat animation, especially adult animation, you never know when your show will be cancelled…(side eyes Netflix and Max 😒)
They did the best they could with 8 episodes I feel. I wish that streaming services would give more episodes for the first seasons of shows, like I get not wanting to waste money on something that might not do well, but at least give them the proper amount of episodes for season 1 just to see if it would actually do well, then either cancel it or continue it from there.
@@zorlex9668the 8 episode format is perfectly fine, then again I look at these as long movies or mini series rather than a regular syndicated show
If I remember correctly, when they got signed, they were guaranteed that they would get 2 seasons
Yes exactly! But honestly i dont mind how fast it went i just wished there were more episodes like if they stretched everything then i think there would be a lot less complaining
Ha! So true!
Something I find really cool is that you can see details about characters in JUST THEIR OUTLINES!! This was pointed out by someone on Tumblr, but for angels, their outlines are light gray compared to Charlie and demons, who have pitch black outlines. And for Vaggie, you can see that her outline is actually dark gray, slightly lighter than a normal demon's outline, foreshadowing that she used to be an angel! Which is just so cool if you pay really close attention to their designs!
That's interesting, in a way, Vaggie is still an angel, she never transformed into a demon.
I watched the show once and only noticed this in the last episode, so this could have some issues but I still find it interesting
The teeth are also a hint from what I've seen. All the people in hell have triangular teeth (kinda like saw blades), except Vaggie, who has normal teeth like everyone in from heaven. The only other exception is Charlie, who has vampire teeth, since she is half demon from her dad and half human from her mom.
The masks of executioners also have demonic teeth, but they're only masks so idk
Angel dust is the character I gravitate to as a surviving trafficked individual. From 17 till I was 19 I suffered under the pursuit of someone else's greed and lust of flesh by strangers. When it came to him saying if he just ruined himself, he wouldn't be wanted by his owner. Broke me to tears when I saw that scene. It brought solace that yes, people *know* the pain I have personally gone through. I didn't do c*ack or hard drugs, but I definitely abused myself in other ways to make the person doing this to me not want me because I'm not bringing in the money like I was in the beginning. After being lifted off the ground by just my hair, I tried desperately to find scissors after he left to cut my hair, but I wasn't successful. So I took a shower and cried as so much hair just came off my head. After I was caught in a sting operation, the life of healing from that experience. Its hard. The pain is there every day, the thought of being wasted goods all the years later, I still think. But I am greatly loved and cared for now and I'm grateful they depicted Angel Dusts story the way they did. It's very real.
I'm happy you're doing so much better.
❤❤❤ so glad to hear that you're doing better, take good care of yourself 😊
I know I'm just a stranger on the internet, but just know that, wherever you are, you are loved, you are cared for and you are important. ❤
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Another aspect of Vaggies design that was a bit lost on me till I was spoiled on her being an angel was that her hair resembles wings much more than it did in the pilot. A subtle piece of visual story telling that makes a lot more sense once you have the reveal
Yeah. Plus the fact that her many tones on her as well as her outline are the same shade of blue as the Seraphims and Lute. The hint that she was a fallen angel was right there in the character design, its so good!
I loved how heir wings blended in with her hair in the final episode
I was so mad at myself for not realizing her hair was an angel wing until after the reveal x_x
Wait I thought the hair was to give her a moth theme ???? Damn
Charlie’s design for the show looking more mature than in the pilot is so true! To me, she looks more like a late teen in the pilot while now in the actual show she looks like she’s in her 20s.
In the show she’s a lot less naive and childish as well so it makes sense
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She is also a better main protagonist than most adult shows main protagonists she's the kindest and nicest character ever but she gets hated for it? Why this is better than a character who pretends to care about others and only caring about themselves.
Angel is actually in hell (theoretically) because his family was in the mafia and they all got turned into spider demons for their “web of crimes”. However his sister did make it into heaven, and she can be seen at the final shot of “Welcome To Heaven”.
I mean IDK if thats outdated or not. Either way Im certain we'll hear more about Angel Dust and his backstory in Season 2. He has so much to still go through
I'm thinking the mafia thing is still canon but either way, Viv has definitely stated the being gay isn't a sin in the Hellaverse so Angel's definitely not there for that reason
Even so, I suspect that his queerness plays an important role in his backstory. Being gay in Angel's time was particularly dangerous, especially in the mafia were people ended up killed for it. For now, we'll have to wait.
@@47ratsinahoodie vaggie's gay and she was in heaven, so its either not a sin or heaven is filled with hypocrites
@@47ratsinahoodie Angel is mostly there for substance abuse
Angel was literally in the mafia when he was alive. He's not there because of his sexuality. (Keep in mind that Vaggie, a lesbian, was originally in Heaven.) They kinda skirt over backstories in Season 1, so I get why you wouldn't know. Hopefully they elaborate on these points in Season 2.
This show is literally my new hyperfixation.
Same 😅
I somehow always manage to make every conversation I have with anyone about Hazbin hotel unless I’m just answering a yes or no question for my teacher and even then I still somehow do it! 🤣
I’m absolutely obsessed with this show and I can not wait for my Helluva boss - Boss bitch mug to come 😂
The only problem is that I’m 14 so I have to be careful with how I talk about the show so people will understand that it’s adult cause I’m pretty known for being more innocent than others in my class and people constantly make sex jokes around me because I make a “surprised pikachu face” every time so whenever I’m info dumping on people I have to make sure they know it’s not a kids cartoon
Same!
Felt 😂
Hard same! I’ve been listening to the songs again and again for weeks in multiple languages as well even though I only speak English. I’ve watched dozens of analytical videos like this whenever RUclips recommends them and with Alastor I finally made a profile picture for the first time in years!
Honestly i think even people that love the show (i’ve been a fan even BEFORE the pilot) can admit that this show DESERVED more episode, but you can’t plan the team because it’s on Amazon and more of a state of streaming services and animation in general
I love the idea of Velvet being Vaggie's rival! Velvet is a fashion designer and apparently the Vees PR person, so there are a lot of interesting ways you can contrast her with Vaggie and make conflict between the two. Also, Velvet having beef with two of Hell's most important white haired woman is kinda funny to me.
Hmmm a Vaggie vs Velvette duel could be an interesting idea for a season 2 episode. I mean afaik the Vees will have a much bigger role next season, so the potential is there.
I think my favourite thing about this show is how not-edgy it is once you get past the Hell setting. The main character is almost Gisello-Rapunzelian in her optimistic idealism and the show is very much trying to be genuinely nuanced in its portrayals of the complex nature of justice and redemption.
The red in Charlie's hair is a nod to her horns!
It's one of my favorite little character design elements in the whole show cuz its cute but reminds you that she's still the princess of hell at all times
About the vees, they are very much setting them up for season two, it makes sense for them not to do much in season one because of the limited screen time, it sets them up as characters to be expanded upon, without doing so just yet.
Yah it was pretty obviously a setup of “here’s the people who will take advantage of a power struggle” and then “oh look a power struggle”
But it kinda feels like a downgrade to go from heaven as the antagonists to just the vees
@@justahugenerd1278 not really, because it wasn’t really Heaven as the villain it was Adam who got permission to take his group and kill sinners in secret.
The Exorcists, barring Adam and Lute, were shmucks who had instant-kill and invincibility cheats enabled, and they lost those by the end.
But the Vees are a different kind of threat, they don’t want to kill (barring Vox’s feud with Alastor) they want control, they want to own the souls in hell, not destroy them.
This is just pivoting from a military threat to a political threat
@@justahugenerd1278 not really, you forget about lute and Lilith. Plus I don’t think it’s that bad, they said it focuses especially on vox and their past with alastor, which in turn fleshes out alastor more which is welcome.
If you want to think about this in a better light, the exterminations were the status quo, not anything new to hell, only the deadline was. We really haven’t “fought” heaven. Just the exterminators and adam (besides some heaven politics) imo it makes sense for them to focus more on hell in the next season since the status quo has changed (angels can be killed!) and people taking advantage of it (the vees) but that’s just my opinion
Edit: I wrote this without seeing the comment above me but my point still stands oops djjsjs
@@pillarsofsnow7940 I still feel like that's a bit more boring but I think it's just personal preference at this point 😅
While watching this, I noticed that at 15:22 when Velvet calls Vox her profile picture is her pilot design. This show has so many little details
Glad I’m not the only one whose soul has been taken by this series
I love all the "taking my soul" references in the titles talking about this show!
So, do we have a deal?! 😈
I certainly took it! 😂
I think people are jumping the gun when it comes to Lillith's last scene. We see from the family portraits that Lillith genuinely loves Charlie and Lucifer and nothing the other characters say indicates she has an evil bone in her body. I think she went to Heaven in order to fulfill some part of a plan to keep Charlie and/or her kingdom safe. I think she has duped Lute and Adam and will betray Heaven as Lillith won't hurt Charlie; she loves her daughter.
Gosh, I hope for it so badly. I don't want Lilith to have betrayed her family 😣
But I mean Lute did say if Lilth want's to stay where she is she'll need to keep Charlie in line but I hope she doesn't
She fell for Lucifer's charms. I wouldn't say she has no evil in her.
@@josephbulkin9222 Lucifer isn't evil though😭
I mean, as far as we’ve heard, Lilith seems at least selfish. We see her and Lute and the only things we know are:
A, she abandoned Charlie and Lucifer when they’re both emotionally unstable.
B, she has been missing for 7 years with no contact with Charlie even though Charlie constantly tries to call her. If she really cared, she wouldve at least left a way to let Charlie contact her.
C, the first time we see her in the present, she’s chilling at a beach in heaven without a care in the world as Lute is demanding to “remake” a deal she made with Adam so she can stay in heaven. It’s not really rocket science to put two-and-two together to say she’s an awful person from what we’ve seen.
Angel Dust is in hell because he was a gangster in life alongside his father and brother. He’s a spider because of his family’s “web of crime.” He’s not there because he’s gay.
I'm obsessed with this show. It's so incredibly diverse. Every characters voice is so unique, the expressions are amazing, colors are vibrant, story is incredible, and the thing I love most about this show is that they know how to represent different sexualities without making it about their entire personality. You know Charlie is lesbian, but they don't even mention it and treat it like a normal thing, which it is
I still can’t stop laughing everytime I hear ‘Stayed Gone’ after I noticed it sounds like Vox says “you old tiny pwick” not “you old timey prick”
I heard "you old tiny prick" at first 😭
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Boy is laging
@@PumpkinTedOh noes! It wooks wike the tv is buffewing!
I feel like a lot of the writing shortcomings have a lot to do with time constraints, with being given only 8 episodes to work with. I can only imagine how difficult that conversation was to decide the direction of the show with so little to work with. Hopefully, with its success, Amazon will give them a bigger budget for more episodes.
They were given 2 seasons, but the point still stands.
I should give this series another shot. Back then, I was still super into my Catholic upbringing. My thoughts were "Why are you giving the people in Hell a chance at redemption? They're in Hell for a reason!" But, now that I'm older, and have strayed from the faith, I'd probably enjoy it. And hey, the hotel could be seen as the newly-installed Purgatory! Idk if that's canon, but I guess I'll find out.
Edit: Oh, okay, Thomas and I had essentially the same religious experience and transition to a form of Atheist, except I was thoroughly ingrained in the faith. I like to sill believe in heaven and God, and that humanity corrupted His word. Though, I also believe in the potential of oblivion. It seems the most likely, scientifically speaking.
I've been hyped for this series since the pilot came out, and I really REALLY enjoyed it.
It does point out the hypocrisy of religion (but it also shows there are people in religion who truly believe in good, who are appalled by hypocrisy), so I hope that you can enjoy it if you watch it again
I'm also a Catholic but I do believe the Sinners in Hazbin Hotel can be redeemed. Because technically, being in Hell means you passed, right? What if you didn't have time to redeem because your life ended abruptly and end up in Hell?
Not to say I'm trying to argue with you, just stating my view on the show as a Catholic. I just see it as a story and not really going against my religion, so I'm okay with the premise.
I've seen a couple people suggest the series will end with them formally starting up Purgatory, which would be awesome if that's what they've planned.
Im not for challenging anyone's religious beliefs if they dont force it on others, but to the thought process i would point out: "it is fiction. 'hell' is just the name of the setting, not necessarily the same one you personally believe in. In the context of the show, all the setting is doing is adding magic to the hard reality we face and the struggles of staying pure and/or redeeming yourself for past sins." If life or consciousness exists past death, why should they not be given a chance to reflect on themselves or confess to wrongdoings? Maybe it is my understanding of hell from an outside perspective, but isnt the punishment of hell meant to enlighten those who would not otherwise recognize their sins? It punishes not those who sinned, but those who refuse to accept they sinned or refuse to (sincerely) apologize for it; AKA, hell punishes those who revel in sin, and ONLY those who revel in it.
Heck, the show tackles the exact idea of hell and heaven being "forever"s through 2 songs, both mentioned in this review: "Hell is forever" expressing that exact belief that your mortal life is the one you must control, and "you didnt know" that questions the eternity of the afterlife as a general concept. Can we mortals even process "forever", especially in a context where we must "live" (remain conscious) through it? If you dont give the show itself a chance, the songs themselves might be a good way to judge when most agree they are the peak of the show, anyway.
I'm Catholic along with my siblings, but we all love Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. It's interesting idea, having Sinners be redeemed.
I do not understand why people hate mimzy so much. She is a one off character who comes, gives some needed context to Alastor's character while being a reference to early hazbin hotel development, then leaves to be in the background of episodes at best.
I LOVE Mimsy! She's totally "I knew that dame was trouble the minute she walked into my office." The whole aging flapper thing is a riot.
it is a meme to hate mimzy
Because her inclusion is unnecessary and bloats an already bloated story. Context to Alastor? Did you even watch the episode? All she did was go on another tangent on how Alastor is mysterious and spooky!! She does give us insight on how Alastor was when he was alive but why should we know that so early for a mysterious character? She sucks
One thing I'm hoping for season 2 is Vaggie exploring what it means to be a fallen Angel which is something she and Lucifer could bond over. Two of the most important people in Charlie's life, maybe also resulting in Vaggie getting a demonic power up of some kind. Or furthering the storyline she and Carmilla have, befriending her daughters as sparring partners maybe.
Most of the fanbase considered Charlie, Angel Dust and Alastor to be the main trio since their presence carried the narrative of the series and being more popular than most characters. If you remove Charlie or Alastor, it won't be Hazbin Hotel without either of those two.
I feel cringe for what I'm about to say.
I'm a gay guy from the deep south, I've lived here my entire life and I've been gay since as young as 6 years old - my first crush was Peter pan.
Being a closeted gay guy my whole life, stuff like hazbin hotel and even helluva boss are extraordinarily important to me. A fictional world where almost every character are some degree of queer, and it's completely normal, is unironically crucial escapism for me. I love living vicariously through them and getting some relieving catharsis from all the gay drama.
I can't state enough how much these two shows mean to me just for the fact that I have no outlet to express my true self.
I love how, despite the relationship between Charlie and Vaggie, and Angel Dust being genderfluid AF, and all the rest- the show is 180 degrees from "woke".
My favorite songs are definitely hell’s greatest dad, and stayed gone, mostly because I love songs with people arguing
Apparently Viv annonce that the Vee will be season 2 main antagoniste so she probably give them so mutch spotlight to set up for it.
I think that S1 wanted to move along the plot so that the hotel become a force to be recone with by the end (instead of the joke it was at the beguining) as well a setting thing up for s2. And that was a bit to mutch to do in 8 épisode
In a recent livestream Vivziepop promised next season would go into more backstories and the Vees would have a bigger role. I think she delayed these on purpose because she thought if she spent the first season on character backgrounds it would peak too soon. Fans would keep watching next season to learn more about the characters after the Heaven plot was (somewhat) resolved. Looking back, a lot of primetime shows would have a fantastic first season exploring the characters but then struggle afterward (Heroes, O.C, Once Upon a Time). Vivziepop was likely trying to avoid this. Was it the best idea? We'll see.
Favorite songs: 'You didn't know', 'Respectless', 'out for love'.
20:54 oh my god I just realised that the 'flap' of hair overlapping with the X over Vaggie's eye resembles an angel wing. The design elements of this show are *_genius._*
I wasn't expecting you to talk about Hazbin hotel, but I'm happy you did. And I agree with basically every point.
I've heard season 2 will have more episodes and I hope that's true. It really feels like the show, especially it's story, needs more breathing room
Yeah. I love the show but like everyone else, I fully agree that it deserved more breathing room, like 10 or even 12 episodes. But I also realise its not so much in the hands of the creators but more so a symptom of the industry and the uncertainty there is in it right now. I dont know how Viv and the rest of the team managed to get a 2nd season secured even before the first trailer for season 1, but I assume they might have been using popularity from social media teases and perhaps Helluva Boss' popularity to give them credibility and leverage in negotiations. Though of course neither of those were around when Season 1 began production with its set deal and contract, presumably back in 2020.
THANK YOU, for making these 16:28 two points- everyone saying “oh it’s too much red” that’s the point, the characters have a main pallet it ties them together!
28:33 on the other hand here, I believe that the V’s are very obvious set ups for the second season. Though I do think that, according to some sources and a livestream or two, the supposed focus in season two, the characters and having the V’s as the antagonists, should’ve been the first season, with the second focusing on the extermination and heaven and stuff- though in the end maybe it was because of the very limited EIGHT EPIOSDES. I pray that we get more for season two
"More Than Anything" makes me tear up every god damned time. 10/10 song
The Vees are confirmed to be the primary threat in Season Two, and the whole reason we got them sparsely in this one was so that they wouldn't overshadow the major plot of the impending Extermination. As a trio of the most powerful Overlords around, and Alastor having been the only one we knew about initially, the rest of them had to be shown for context as well. At the same time, if any of these characters just.. appeared randomly, people would complain about why weren't they around before, especially with how influential all of them are in the Pride ring. So I think that's a "bigger picture" situation, and with only eight episodes, could any of us.. indeed, anybody, do any better, with how much material they had to go through?
As somebody who's been involved with (and also briefly professionally worked in the games industry), I know from experience that cuts always have to be made, whether for budget, technical issues or simply to narrow the scope. The clock is always ticking, and the axe gets brought down, every time. But a good production does the best with what it's got to work with, and for that, Vivzie and company should be commended for what they've made, flaws 'n all.
Finally, while "acknowledging a problem doesn't excuse it", Adam literally complains about all the red in their clothing during the fight with Alastor. We've seen via Helluva Boss that the setting isn't JUST that, as each section of Hell has their own unique designs and palettes, so.. as our strawberry pimp himself said at the end of the pilot, we just need to stay tuned..
All in all? Great video! Well edited, solid takes, and even the things I don't agree with are presented in a fair and even-handed manner, so I can respect 'em. Kudos and keep up the good work!
1:01 It's more Stolas becoming a main character rather than the show not focusing on the main characters. Season 2 goes on to go more in depth with every single character. The characters getting more depth made them so much better than season 1.
Yeah I found her criticism dumb but Helluva Boss still is a train wreck of a show regardless so Ill give her a pass
Its about "which characters get focus" rather than not having focus on characters. The latter half of season 2 (so far) is basically all about ozzy and fizzoroly, of which the latter and stolas basically become the main cast for the show (alongside blitzo) and M&M are left behind while loona, the weakest of the IMP cast isnt fleshed out despite being the one who needed it out of everyone. Season 2 was also just generally heavier on the melodrama than season 1, and sands some characters down too much to make them less massive assholes which ironically weakens their appeal
@@notarealperson8956 Personally I enjoy the characters being fleshed out to be better people. I have a hard time enjoying season 1 because all of the characters although funny just suck, they're just such bad people with practically no redeeming qualities. Also FYI Loona hasn't been fleshed out because her VA has been having a really tough time irl after her fiancé passed.
@@arrowpaw1847fiance 😢
i’m OBSESSED with hazbin but have been beating myself up for it because all i’ve seen is criticism. but this video gets meeee 🫶
Granddad always said "One man's meat is another man's poison." And Mom said "Thats' why there is more than one flavor of ice cream." Everybody has different tastes. Happened to run into a guy I knew at the theater going to the see the original "Ghostbusters" movie. I gave it 10/10, he gave it 0/10.
With 3k reviews, it has a 4.7 star rating out of five as of now. You're not alone!
i really love the idea that the vees think theyre some crazy powerful force that the hotel needs to fear, but they're more like the team rocket to ash and pikachu and are more of just a minor menace that pops up occasionally lol
The problem is that Valentino has his claws around Angel Dust's heart.
I’ve become hopelessly obsessed with this show after watching the entire first season in one night with my sibling. And I am in severe pain every time I remember that the next season is coming in about 2 years.
Edit: every time I see that scene where Charlie starts singing “It Starts With Sorry” and Pentious blinks twice alongside the sound effects….i freaking lose it. Pentious’s innocent tears and the look on his face kills me and I start laughing uncontrollably to the point where I can hardly breathe
Vivziepop said season 2 will have more backstory on why everyone ended up in hell. She also said the Vees will be more involved as villains
A few things to mention...
First off... Angel was more than likely in Hell for his wrathful tendencies on top of his lustful ones. His father was a mobster and I can assume that Anthony was involved in some of his father's business. His sister Molly managed to get into Heaven (you can actually see her in the "Welcome to Heaven" song) because she probably didn't get involved into the family business.
Secondly... God does indeed exist in the series. Vizvi has drawn pictures of what he looks like. He's a very tall and slender man wearing a white suit, white hat and a fuzzy cape. He has no face but has 4 large eyes floating around his head.
Lastly... Vivzi said that there will be a character she will eventually introduce named "Root". Root is supposed to be like the "Root of all Evil". Said character will probably be even more vial than Valentino. The reason why Luci fell was because when he gave Eve the Apple he unintentionally allowed Root to start corrupting the human world.
i am obsessed with Carmillas VA and singing aaaaaa o/////o (28:00 also im glad you caught this. This show suffered from "we dont know if thisll blow up or not so blast through content")
This show stole my soul too...
I've been listening to the album on Spotify on repeat!! I'm excited for my Spotify wrapped this year even more so!! I'm in loooove w/ this show. Sure some things can be improved, but out of everything that's being produced right now this show is awesome!
I personally love vox he’s like a dad watching football in episode 8
Thomas and Hazbin in the same sentence? SIGH ME UP.
The collab we didnt know we needed
I forgot where I was and thought you were talking about Thomas the Tank Engine
I've been obsessed with the pilot since May 2022, this series was well worth the wait! Cant wait for season 2.
I agree with you with a lot of this: it’s a really awesome show! Flawed, but awesome.
I do think that they were rushed with the script though. Like, they wanted to make a 12 episode series, but they said “you get 8 to start with, and we’ll see from there”. I’m hoping that next season gets more episodes, and can slow down with the story, since it’s proven to be a hit.
And hopefully with more episodes, we get more smaller moments focused on the actual main cast of characters, and it shows how the system betrayed them.
I’m excited for season 2 though overall
Man, oh man, do I wish they got more than 8 episodes… and that it wasn’t released over just two weeks
My Brother came to me and said: you will love this show, the Songs are super cool! I‘ve Never Heard about it before, but i thought: fuck it, maybe he is right. Now whenever we meet we will sing Loser, Baby together and i hate and love him for this. Really, i Never thought i would be SO hyperfixated for the characters and i cant wait what they will do in the next Season. (I will hate Amazon IF they try to cancel this shit)
Honestly, it's good thing Vivziepop never join Netflix. I don't know if you never watched the old streams but Vivziepop said why she would never pick Netflix is due to how they treat their animators.
You've got a great brother! :D
Everytime I hear the start to either version of more than anything I start tearing up, the way Hazbin Hotel portrays their story is beautiful ngl.
0:04 Before someone unleashed the mummy's curse to begin the apocalypse.
Goddamn Randy Marsh and that pangolin.
I was the same about hazbin and helluva at first i didnt even finish helluva boss season 1 but hazbin was so good I got super obsessed rewatched helluva and full moon and apology tour were so good in my opinion im obsessed over both now.
Personally I'm hoping the vees get to stand out more as villains in season 2 what with potential fallout from the war with the exoricists and the possibility that the hotel will seem more viable as a concept whcih would personally threaten the vees outside their beefs (as the idea of redemption weakens their hold on hell and the powerbase they were striving for), but that's just me.
Yeah exactly. It makes perfect sense, giving Season 1 time for them to get established on the side to exemplify their prominence and power in Hell, and in the case of Valentino and Angel, see some of their industries and cruelty.
Adam clapping while flying and mocking... chef's kiss
Lmao! It ssslaps!
The stress on the “slaps” part was hilarious! Great video!
Positive reviews and adoration of Hazbin Hotel need to start getting more traction than negative ones, like Sarcastic Chorus and the like.
BRO I CANNOT GET ENOUGH OF JEREMY'S SINGING VOICE! IT MAKES ME SAD WHEN THE SONG STOPS
I dont mind season 1 being about actually getting the idea acrossed to Heaven that redemption is possible. So in the next seasons, all we oughta focus on is actually doing the walk to redemption thing. But i do wish they had more episodes this season
As someone who tried SO hard to be into vivzie's work (helluva boss) and following along for a while and now has no clue what the fucking plot is supposed to be (besides the I.M.P), because of that experience, I *really* didn't want to watch hazbin hotel for the longest time. All of my friends became obsessed and fell in love with the characters while I sat on the side, resenting viv's work. My excuse was "It's not my type of show", "It doesn't look like something I'd enjoy", etc. Last month, when the finale dropped and my friends were all exploding about how awesome it is, I decided to give it a watch, and holy shit that was my whole personality for the past month. My favorite characters changed often, I've re-watched the series at least 5 times now, and I love all the little details that you can find when watching. Hell, I started recording covers for songs with my friends that I'm posting soon, and I just can't get enough of this silly little series. The plot makes sense, I understand the characters, the animation is beautiful and same with the songs, and this is something that I will not be forgetting about anytime soon, unlike viv's other work that has continued to disappoint me. I absolutely cannot wait for season 2 and I am so excited for what's to come :)
This was a great video essay; you did a great job breaking down the really cool elements that make this show so good! I know this show is far from perfect thanks to certain issues, like some of the writing and pacing, but I think this show is really good. A fun story with great characters, a unique and recognizable art style, and great music! I know the show and creator are plagued with controversy, most of which I feel is overdramatized, though I think some criticism is warranted. But despite all of that, I'm very pleased with what Viv has created and even proud. I used to watch her videos many years ago and seeing how far she's come is really inspirational.
I hope after seeing how popular this show has become, A24 or whoever's in charge will allow season 2 to have more episodes.
I really really really hope A24 and Amazon give Vivzie and her team more episodes for Season 2. We need more episodes to flesh out the story and characters more. And maybe just a few filler episodes for funsies.
I highly recommend giving episode 3 of season 2 of helluva boss for moxxie goodness, and episode 6/7 are easily the best episodes of the series. Glad you loved hazbin hotel!!! It's definitely a highlight if 2024 already and will easily be my favorite shkw this year
plus, regarding helluva season 2, mammon is such a GREAT villain, both funny but also really threantening when he wants to be
"You're. a bloody. LEGEND."
@sarafontanini7051 i love mammon so much! He's literally the perfect villain, sloppy, disgusting, vile, abusive, manipulative, punchable face, He's got it all lol
Yeah. The first bit of season 2 isnt as strong as season 1 but episode 6 onwards has been really great. Plus I am a tad surprised about the Stolas comment made in the video since there's actually not even that much of him. It might have felt a lot since Season 1 episode 8 released late, making S1ep7, S2ep1, and S2ep2, all of which feature Stolas and to some extent a focus on his relationship with Blitzo, come in immediate succession. But after that, Stolas is only in episodes 4 and 6. Being kidnapped throughout 4 and mostly assisting Asmodeus in episode 6. And episode 6 and 7 are basically a 2-parter focusing mostly on Fizzarolli and Asmodeus.
Am I the only one who thinks that Mammon reminds them _a lot_ of Adam, and vice versa?
stayed gone is easily one of if not my favourite it’s just such a banger and both of them r just so silly
HH’s biggest downfall has definitely been its limited episodes so far. I have a feeling that it wasn’t green-lit for more than eight because it was already seen as a bit of a risk for its more mature content. Season one’s reception would more than likely dictate how many episodes season two would receive (or even IF they’d allow a season two).
So yeah, once again, it sucks how art is restricted by whether or not it will receive funding.
Granted, Helluva Boss sometimes struggles with pacing and tonal whiplash too. So, I think the series would benefit if someone in the writers room helped Viv with pacing the show better.
You know I would LOVE to see an episode by episode commentary of Hazbin from you
Hazbin hotel is the right kind of funny and cool and i'm glad in the series they flat out say that angels and gods are jerks and aren't perfect and i like The devil bond with his daughter and his little rivalry with Alister really this show is amazing and i love it
Helluva Boss has massively gotten better. Blitzo's gotten real character development (making peace with Fizzoroli is gradual but it helps him face his other demons) and the Midseason episode was PERFECT in every way.
It really speaks to just how solid the concept is for Hazbin Hotel that despite a lot of mistakes in its delivery/pacing (something that is usually a death sentence for modern animated shows) it still evoked such an overwhelmingly positive response! Your review matched a lot of my own feelings about the show, I definitely agree that season 1 felt like an amalgamation of two seasons into one, one that just didn’t have the runtime necessary to spread its focus that wide.
I see a lot of similarities between both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss’s shortcomings, most notably Viv’s tendency to stray from the magic of her original premise as a consequence of trying to bring in an overwhelming amount of characters and adding subplots with those characters that competes with the original premise rather than works in tandem with it.
I really hope Viv brings in a developmental editor onto her team for future seasons to help make sure all her ideas get the best delivery possible. Story delivery is a totally seperate skill to creating good story and character ideas, Viv is fantastic at the latter, she just needs help from someone who knows the craft of delivery to truly elevate her stories and characters to their full potential!
Im literally still obsessed with the show 5 months later
Before the first official EP I didn’t know this project even existed. Now I am obsessed with this show.
(But not as much as Verbalase of course).
... HOWEVER, EMILY-
I’ll also note that I love the way they handle Alastor’s complete overpoweredness. Some stories will fail to balance their powerhouses’ abilities with story and one will end up crushing the other, but Hazbin does a good job of keeping his insane power on the periphery, instead focusing on Alastor getting by on his wits and his ability to keep everyone around him guessing. The two times we see him let loose are in episode 5, where he specifically makes a spectacle to retain society’s fear of him and to “remind everyone why I am here,” and in episode 8 with his fight with Adam.
Now, I’ve seen some people claim that Adam was too powerful for Alastor, but that’s not how I read it. Alastor has not yet shown the real upper limits of his power, but it is good to note that we don’t see them in this battle. This isn’t due to the somewhat lazy power nerfing that some shows will resort to when they need a powerhouse to lose, though. This is a good creative choice that has Alastor’s hubris lead to his downfall. He is very clearly toying with Adam, pointing out the flaws in his fighting and taunting him instead of going in for the kill. As a result, he underestimated Adam’s sheer power and how Adam only needed a few good hits in to take over the battle. Alastor was so confident in his ability that he gave up the relatively easy kill he should have had. His array of abilities is far more flexible (and arguably more powerful) than Adam’s, but he failed to keep his guard up, meaning that once Adam hit his mic-staff, there weren’t enough protections to save it - or him. Alastor has been shown to be able to fade into shadow at will, create objects, grow in size, create portals, and more, but he decided not to go all-out, underestimating the strength of his opponent and overestimating his own capabilities given the elements of his power he was using.
It’s a really well-done example of utilizing a character’s flaws to allow them to lose a battle that they by all rights should have, or at least could have, won. I’m surprised no one else is talking about it, honestly.
And yes, the era of 8-episode seasons needs to end. A lot of the issues you brought up could have been fixed if they got even a couple more episodes (or preferably Netflix’s usual count of 13 per season). That said, they did a truly great job with the 8 episodes they had.
People on Twitter hate this show, and they make some pretty valid points at it's flaws. Then again, it's Twitter, they're mostly mad at Vivzie, and media literacy is dead.
I adored this show for what it was. It's not their fault they only got 8 episodes for season 1.
Personally, my least favorite songs were usually Charlie's. I loved More Than Anything and the reprise, though. But the ones with upbeat kicks always got me more. Another note, the songs were actually partially written by one of the members of The Living Tombstone, which is super neat. It comes out spectacularly with Hell's Greatest Dad, which honestly? Reminds me a little of Friend Like Me from Aladdin.
Not to mention that, if the average Bible Belt Christian tried to watch it, their heads would explode during the intro to Episode One. And OMG the virulent h8 that would be directed at Charlie and Vaggie, and more so at Angel Dust.
@@ostlandrHonestly, as a Christian I appreciate the show because of it's message on changing for the better and giving others a chance at redemption.
Charlie herself represents unconditional love and kindness to even some of the worst types of people which is why i enjoy her character so much. She is literally following in the footsteps of the person who's basically her grandfather without even knowing it.
Objectively i think Poison is the best musical number.
Subjectively my favorite is Respectless. That is the one i listen to over and over gain.
This gave me the urge to watch it again!! Even tho I’ve been listening to the album non-stop 😂😂
The thing to note about I'm Always Chasing Rainbows is that, far from being written for the show, it is a popular Vaudeville piece from 1917 included to capture Charlie's character and mood, and possibly to save on song writing costs for the pilot.
While the extermination/heaven arc could have used some extra time to cook, it had to be the plot of season one, so Charlie+gang vould show Heaven the Hotel's premise works. Thanks to Sir Pentious, there's proof the sinners can change and Charlie can now work on helping more people without the pressure of another extermination on the hotel's doorstep.
The Vees are most likely going to be anti-redemption and they'll take the reins in season two, especially if Angel goes on to be redeemed. Val's not going to let his "toy" go without a fight. I believe Viv has confirmed that the Vees will be the main antagonists now that Adam's gone, but I'm not certain about this.
I'd also like to suggest that Lute's disgust with Charlie and Vaggie's relationship wasn't homophobia. I feel like it's more about Vaggie being an angel, although a fallen one, and Charlie being a Hellborn/Lucifer's daughter. While it's not any better, it maybe even makes it a bit worse since it can be viewed as racism from Lute's perspective, I think it adds a layer to her character. It shows she's disgusted with the pure concept of Hell, and anyone who is sympathetic towards it and it's inhabitants. She's an exterminator and probably harbours hatred for anything hell related
I don't think they necessarily needed to prove that sinners could make it to heaven in season 1 to make the plot work. There are plenty of questions besides that to tackle like how people end up in heaven/hell, redemption as going into heaven vs redemption as in becoming a better person, if people should even be expected to conform to heaven's standards to be considered redeemed, etc. Charlie doesn't have a clear idea on how to help people get better and there's the struggle of finding the motivation to try in the face of how impossible it seems, which could've carried the plot while we got to see everyone bond. We missed out on a lot of that because wrapping up the extermination plotline in one season meant skipping most of 6 months when this was happening.
Interesting to note that (as it was related to me) in Islam, Lucifer (aka Iblis, aka Shaithen) is the way he is because he's an Angelic Supremacist. Which actually makes sense.
In that version of the story, God calls all his angels together and says "Behold my greatest creation- Man! Bow down and worship him."
(the following is my take on it, and not scripture.)
Lucifer takes one look at Adam and goes "Waaaaaaait a second. We're your greatest creation, remember? You made us from fire- you made that thing from mud. No way am I worshipping that thing! Who's with me?"
This of course leads to the "war in heaven", and Lucifer and his rebel angels getting kicked out. Lucifer tells God "I will prove to you that your new creation is flawed. I am going to lead as many of them as I can away from your grace." God says "If you can lead them astray, you're welcome to them."
A great thing with this show is that you can understand why characters think like they do even if you disagree with them, you might disagree with why haven has the exorcists but its also understandable why they do, just look at the behavior of the average demon and most will understand why the fear is there.
Hazbin has definitely become a major guilty pleasure show for me haha! I was similar to you in that I really didn't go into Hazbin expecting to love it nearly as much as I did. I liked Helluva's first season and continue to watch the second but really don't love it. I also wasn't taken by the pilot. I thought it was a neat idea but that's it. However, I found Hazbin to be so incredibly charming and I truly enjoyed the first season. I ended up loving Angel Dust as a character and he has absolutely become a favorite of mine out of all the media I'm into in general. I also adored the music as someone who had a crazy strong Broadway phase (and admittedly still is kinda in that phase), it was such a treat to listen to. Loser Baby and Hell is Forever have been totally stuck in my head for days! My biggest issue with the show is the pacing, I just wish we had more episodes to explore these ideas in. I think the show would have benefited from saving the reveal of the dead angel till later, focusing more on each of the sinners, and using the Vees as more active villains this season but I have heard that they will be more present in the next season. I think more screen time would have fixed most of my issues but I doubt the show runners got much of a say in the amount of episodes. Despite my qualms with the show, I really loved it! Absolutely one of my favorites as of late!!
Helluva made me pretty worried for Hazbin but Hazbin ended up being really really fun to watch
I liked Vaggie's redesign as well because the shape and patterns on her hair echo the angelic robes, it hints at her origins
7:00 agreed on this point. I love Encanto as much as the next guy, but it’s become clear at this point that Disney musicals as a whole lost a lot of their charm when then started leaning more toward pop and less toward showtunes.
And also having more of the complex or non existent villains too. Which isn't awful at all don't get me wrong, but it does mean we miss the cool villain songs :(
34:51 YES EXACTLY I've been telling people that Alastor is my favorite bc he reminds me of Xellos who is my favorite in Slayers. I do think Alastor shows his evil side a lot more than Xellos does, but mysterious, smiles all the time, ridiculously powerful, and a demon? All of these are check marked the same.
Who else thinks Lucifer is autism-coded? Because as a person who has ADHD and Autism(and of course a former Christian do to my own beliefs) never once did I think I could relate to the devil in any way shape or form
And I love it
He is, Viv confirmed
@@derrickdaniels3955Where did she confirm this? Is it in a livestream? If so, please send a link. _I wanna watch it._ 😁.
It helps when you realize that Lucifer and Promethius are the same guy. 🙂
If you seriously read Genesis 3 about the "apple" (actually "the fruit of the Tree of the Knowldege of Good and Evil") and Eve, it gets seriously weird. God lied to Adam and Eve. The Serpent told them the truth. And verses 22-23 are seriously disturbing, and let something slip:
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
29:11
Notice that Valentino says 'ow' here. That coat is literally a part of him. She already drew first blood on an overlord.
Yeah cause it’s not a coat, it’s his wings!
I feel like a lot of the issues with the story could've been solved by just having a few more episodes. Hopefully since it's been pretty successful Amazon will allow them to have more episodes next season.
more than anything warmed my cold dead depressed heart, so, far i had to cry which is a milestone not manye series have accomplished. but i love it. i carved for something that can make me cry.
Here’s some Potatoes to cure your depression 🥔🥔🥔
Aww, I really like Chris Pine’s “This is the Thanks I Get”. I only saw Wish a few days ago and having seen Hazbin Hotel (the whole season about dozen times) first actually made me appreciate the music and songs of Wish more than I might have if I had seen it first.
The Angels were the main antagonists so the Vees were pushed to the side but the Vees will be the main villains next season. Also Angel Dust is in hell because he was a drug dealer in an Italian mob
I reasoned threw the soundtrack the morning before I watched it all and there were some songs I loved before watching
Including Lute and Adams part of You Didn’t Know
After watching and having context I fell in love with even more of that song and the others like Hell is Forever and Stay Gone
I'm in the minority. I love all the songs so far, but the one that really gets to me is "Poison." Always get a little choked up at that last line.
@@ostlandr I definitely have some that rank higher on what I love
But they all are so well written (even if they don’t all fit the story perfectly. I love the song out for love but that all Vaggie had been doing even when outed she cared about Charlie and the hotel)
At first I thought Addicted was better then Poison but once I actually learned the song Poison is so much better
It’s such a good song and it tells such a harsh story especially with the animation.
Gotta say I do agree a lot with your point about the Vee's.
I like them a lot and it would have fit way more if they played a more important antagonistic role to the main cast before the extermination finale, but at the same time I'm excited what they bring to the table in season 2 ^^
Also I adore lucifer in this show, that lovable goofball of a father :3
I agree that a live action Hazbin Series wouldn’t be a great idea but I’d be VERY interested to see, at least as an experiment to test the quality of one, an adaptation for the stage
Vivzie said that the Vees would be one of the main focuses next season.
I’m not usually a person who enjoys musicals but my god the songs in hazbin hotel are SO GOOD. They went on my playlist straight away.
The very shorten reason for the change in cast is there. Hazbin Hotel was always meant to be a musical series. The pilot episode had 2 sets of VAs, ones that spoke and ones that sang. In the series, they cast VAs who can do both. With it being a series with 2 songs per episode with the characters changing up singing partners (all the duets, musical lol) They needed to make sure that not only does that speaking and singing need to match, all the people singing need to sound good together. No, I will not be bringing in the logistics and finer details in my comment. Shortened simple reason for info sake.
This show reminds me a lot of The Good Place, with its philosophical study of what makes a soul worthy of getting into heaven, and wether punishment in hell is fair or not. Both series have a group of protagonists that question the status quo and an antagonistic force that benefits from the system as is (although in TGP the demons are the antagonists, with the angels being mostly incompetent fools).
I would add that I really love that Vaggie and Charlie's relationship is depicted as healthy. It isn't perfect, it isn't flawless, but its emotionally mature in a way I appreciate. More healthy long term queer realtionships in media please. No tortured will they/won't they, no dragged out miscommunication based drama. Just two people that support eachother and know each other and can see through the bumps in the road when they come up. I just appreciate that.
I'm so impressed with that. Charlie and Vaggie are a couple. Angel Dust is genderfluid. But that's just part of their characters, and not the show's reason for existing.
I just watched the series and I love it so much! Especially Angel Dust! He's such a well written character!
I don't even try to assign a pronoun to Angel. 🙂