Why are humans fighting the Covenant? | Halo Primer | Blue V Silver
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- In this episode: I begin my endeavour to deliver content that both gives the new Halo Fans coming in from the TV series a primer on the Universe and brings them into the fold, while also comparing and contrasting the Silver Timeline against the mainline Lore! Rookies and Legends of Old, Unite and Join me on this greatest of journeys.
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"Wish we could turn back time. To the good old days"
Early 2000 coming home from school getting done with homework and playing halo. I really do miss these days they had a more real feeling about them.
"When our mama sang us to sleep
But now we're stressed out"
I miss those days too. But, I've grown up. My adult self is rather enjoying the new interpretation. The VG is dear to my heart, and I hold it close. This is not the VG. Accepting that, has allowed me to genuinely enjoy the TV series.
Pablo vs The Covenant
FOR THE EMPEROR!
*Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant*
Oh wait, wrong universe.....
Warhammer?
FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!
lol, anything but this wreck of series
BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR! SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!
@Installation 00 at 8:51 you made a mistake, you called the San'Shyuum- Sangheilli war "The Blooding Years", alas that is the conflict on Sanghelios between the Arbiter's Swords Of Sanghelios and Jul M'Dama's Covenant. The war you're looking for is "The War Of Beginnings"
based fellow lore chad, high five ✋
Apologies. I recorded another video about the Arbiter before this one. Must have been stuck in my head.
@@Installation00 No worries
@@rredboydGet that hand outta my face
@@Installation00 We all fail. We all make mistakes. It's what makes us human.
*learning about the new Alternate universe
One you know, they're going to take way too many liberties with (as they already have)
I was one of the "let's wait and see"
But the more they double down on "not being wrong" and "it's an alternate timeline" the less I'm interested.
I didn't come here for Marvel and DC with their many branching multiverses. Sorry to say.
i wish they went with another direction and told the story of John through the eyes as someone else. like how every marine in the games thinks your a god half b/c of propaganda but none the less. a good Johnson story and operation trebuchet as a prequel up till harvest. Reach from the point of view of the UNSC army to really get that apocalypse feel, then start getting into some Spartan only kind of episodes till they all combine down the line into halo believe trailers.
This is definitely one of those series i think everyone who got to play halo on release wants to be at the helm kind of like i how i wanna make a rated R starwars about the mandalorian wars and Revan
The show started in late 2552, but is now in 2553. Reach fell on April 6/7 of 2553 in the show, instead of the July 22-August 30th of the core canon
But if not every human is a reclaimer in the show, what did the luminary at harvest see to cause the dreadnought AI freak out?
Just another failure of the TV show. Trying to spin a new yarn from an old blanket as it where. Some stitches are meticulously kept, some replaced and some are outright discarded. Such is the way of corporate greed
See that’s what these writers don’t understand when handling something with established lore like Halo. By changing how something occurs in their version, they fail to account for how it breaks the writing everywhere else.
By introducing a human in the Covenant, they’ve completely broken the Covenant’s motivation for war against humans. By making only a few humans be Reclaimers, they’ve FURTHER shattered the Covenant’s motivation for war.
In expanded post Bungie lore it's basically stated that humanity is the race of the reclaimers, not all humans are reclaimers or have particular gene songs. Therefore by recognition tech that the Covenant so poorly understand the function of, humanity registers as "Forerunner" via the Luminaries.
@@LezlyLikesYuri It doesn't have anything specifically to do with corporate greed. In the last few episode breakdown videos, 00 put it succinctly. To retell the events line by line, it'd be cool and fun, but we'd know exactly what's coming. No tension, no wondering or theorizing. Simply put. It'd actually be cheaper to make an animated (traditional or CG) visual adaptation than a TV series that follows it all beat by beat. Paramount AND Microsoft are sticking their necks waaaaaay out on the series. Took major steps back from how things tracked in season 1 and improved characterization and overall writing quality to a great degree.
Not everything is about milking something for all it's worth. If anything, Paramount is (Likely) getting more money out of it than Microsoft is. Much like how novelists make more of the money from writing the books than Microsoft does in it's profit cuts.
@@Meravokas No, current lore is that humans are Reclaimers, which is why the Luminary on Harvest was detecting all of its inhabitants as Reclaimers.
That’s why the Covenant often needed humans to access Forerunner facilities or activate Forerunner weapon systems. That’s why the monitors frequently refer to every human they meet as “Reclaimer”. Humanity as a whole are the Reclaimers.
Never had a chance to get into the Halo-verse, but am so excited to finally take the plunge. Thank you so much for making it easier to understand!! 🎉
Well the show has next to nothing to do with the actually compelling stories from the games so if I were you I would keep holding off. The show is hot trash
Go watch Forward Unto Dawn
They could have literally used the existing story exactly as it was in the game, with minor alterations for TV, and been wildly successful with both gamers and normies. The important difference being, zero hate from the existing fans of the franchise.
The notion that they had to drastically change almost everything about the story is false and completely unnecessary. That said, your knowledge of the lore is impressive and this video is very informative. Much appreciated!
They should have just done a show based off of the Contact Harvest Book
I wish I was with you people who were around as the first halo was released but I didn't exist at that time how unfortunate.
Friend, you can acquire every single Halo game for under $75-$100, less if there's a sale on Halo Infinity, and experience the joy of the franchise.
@@phobesTrue, but it doesn’t feel the same, you know? I was too young to play it at the time, and having missed Halo’s golden age just… sucks.
@@phobes I meant back when bungie was in charge of halo I still have halo infinite, the master chief collection and even halo 5 forge (scratch infinite I can't play it anymore because of easy Anti cheat thanks 343)
Any true Halo fan will be more than happy to guide you into our brave wide world.
@@maninthedark99 dude i have the master chief collection and i already know too much lore for my own good
Awesome narration as allways thx you
pretty sure the whole covenant is a side plot in the TV show, the main plot is Jimmy Rings' mental health status
I don't think I've seen in the show an explanation why humanity is at war with the Covenant or why or how do they know what a Halo is or does.
Well... At the bare minimum, first time players had no damn clue why humanity was at war either. Even reading The Fall of Reach you don't get a concrete reason. It wasn't until 2007 when Joe Staten wrote Contact Harvest that we ACTUALLY knew the reasons for everything.
As for how humanity knows anything about the rings in the show? Who knows. Gotta remember that for a TV series or even movies, there's a lot of unspoken things that may or may not ever be explained. If not for Bungie and Microsoft being willing and wanting there to be extra lore, we'd be up shit creek without a paddle aside from what's shoved in front of us in the games. And I'm not including any terminal lore aside from what was in Halo 3.
@@Meravokasthey know about the rings existence from the artifact thing. As for how they know that halo is a weapon.... yeah no that parts just dumb. By this point all they should know is that it exists. But somehow they know it's a weapon
@@loganatori6117 Cortana took a random guess from the data that was gained from the Sigma Octanus IV artifact, that a certain piece was location coordinates. Just slapped it in on the random jump out from Reach. The UNSC had zero knowledge about the rings or their existence before 04 was stumbled upon. And honestly, for either side knowing much about them for the show? I raised an eyebrow but shrugged and moved on, because it's a different story ultimately. Craziest thing? Both sides could have known before 2552 in mainline lore, without a huge amount of stretch. Considering the stretches taken with the lore after Bungie handed it over in the first place...
They don't know what it does. They just know that the covvies want it and have assumed it's a weapon. Which honestly is a decent assumption. They are at war, they really want this halo. Must be to kill us faster.
@@Meravokas I was talking about the show, not the games
The difference between the Spartan-III and the silver timeline Spartan-3s
I didn't see any spartan 3s in the series some look a like yes but no spartans there
Awesome video! This channel helps keep my love for halo alive
Amazing!
Given the argument that Silver watchers have to wait for new episodes compared to the games seems off. Considering how much, or accurately little is revealed in the games and had to be covered in EU. Shoot, I believe the first time an Insurrectionist is see in game is Halo Wars, then again in Reach, but they are foundational to the lore. The games and EU also had longer downtime between releases with nothing to draw on. Silver has all previous resources and stories to... adapt.
Even if the argument is new viewer/user of Blue or Silver sticking to main pipeline media, then they would still not know much of the expanded lore.
The games and extended lore did all the work for the show. Could have been smooth sailing.
Instead they throw it all in the junk pile to go start their inferior retelling of it all, all while fundamentally misinterpreting every facet of the Halo universe itself.
@@Omega4ProductionsMy point was the games/Blue had a harder time than the show. A creating vs coping argument.
@@gmradio2436I know, I'm agreeing with you.
@@Omega4ProductionsOk. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.
@@gmradio2436 All good.
I remember the good old days of halo CE I was way too young to know what I was playing but I loved every second. These days it would feel like I’m playing a potato but in its day it was beautiful
Why is the show shot so DARK
They outta just light the Rings and restart.
I love how despite trying to make the show mainstream, they fail to answer basic questions about the universe
Mainstream audiences have *zero* patience for exposition in science fiction media. Caprica was an excellent example of this: Limitless promise conceptually, far more than BSG itself (even under ideal circumstances), but it required too much explanation & setup. DOA. In medias res + "people who care will catch on from context and/or dig into established work" is the only option for SF aiming for broad appeal. The Expanse is the only SF adaptation that ever got close to threading the needles of popularity & purity simultaneously. And sadly, didn't perform well enough to get the last third of the story brought to screen. While I'm extremely fond of Halo's lore & show, it is categorically not on par with The Expanse by any metric and would not fare as well if a similar approach was attempted.
@@dustybookshelves2948 So sad learning that Expanse was axed before the series' third and final story arc after I had gotten into it, sigh. I hope they finish it though. It'd be a shame not to.
Because when dud this lore come out in the main timeline? Contact harvest just prior to halo 3. We knew nothing in halo CE and it only really expanded halfway through halo 2.
Besides, you don't need to know. Just like you didn't need to know in halo CE.
Oh they did reason why is covenant fight humans is Border dispute
@@rossanderson5815not true before Halo CE released there was book Fall of Reach which sets up raw timeline of the events for the universe including Spartan Program, What is UNSC, Fall of Harvest and specificly Fall of Reach itself
This was an excellent video
Considering getting my Mum to watch this since she’s watching Halo (TV Show) with my brothers and I
@@braydoxastora5584 how about trying to not be an insufferable gatekeeper?
One of my main issues with the Silver timeline is why did they change it from all humans being able to interact with Forerunner technology to just a select few? 🤔
So that Jebidiah Circumference could be the special Chosen One instead of just *the most proficient super soldier*, ya know, what originally made him interesting in the games. Why cortana picked him. Not some mystical he can control the luck of the universe bullshit, just he happened to be the one that was capable enough in all the right ways to get the job done. H4 started that chosen one, forerunners aren't ancient humanity they're star trek aliens with the force bullshit. Forerunners were supposed to be humanity in a space fairing age from ancient times, not much more complicated than that. There was no forerunner human war, because the ancient humans were forerunner and they were just dumb enough to stumble across the flood. Halo was better when it was scyfy Blackhawk down, when it was grounded in reason. The space opera shit we get from 343 should have stayed in star wars. My Master Chief isn't a fuckin Chosen One, and Jimmy Rings ain't even in the running
In the tv show there will have to be a different reason for the humans and the covenant be be fighting because unlike the core cannon, not all humans are reclaimers, only a few humans are reclaimers or "Blessed ones" as they are called in the show.
it’s for people that never played the games s at all.
In addition to the rundown of the Spartan-II program history and purpose perhaps a comparative video of Cortana up until the events of Halo CE as the show hasn't gotten that far yet.
Are you considering doing comparative biographies of different characters as well?
You've made a mistake about the differences between the Blue and Silver timelines regarding why the conflict started. While we haven't been given direct information, we do have cause to question the timeline because, in the Silver timeline, humans are not reclaimers. Instead, there are the "blessed ones," which are select individuals and not the whole species. Thus, they would not have reason to commit genocide. At most they may want to covertly or openly take out these "blessed ones" to keep their power secured. This means that the covenant's motive for declaring war on humanity is unknown in the Silver Timeline and will likely never be known based on how poorly the Silver Timeline has handled things.
While I do appreciate this series idea, I would warn that explaining things in the Silver timeline may go poorly because, to be frank, the show's writing is dog water and greatly diverges from the Blue timeline. Perhaps you could still do this series but focus more on the mainline timeline to help onboard people while pointing out where the Silver timeline diverges and calling out its continuity issues.
"we haven't been given direct information" thats a massive writing issue. a character by episode 2 to 3 typically will have well defined but not stated goals. yes this includes factions, the writing is so sub-par that we have to debate a crucial part of the plot and story is absolutely absurd. but hats off to you for trying anyway
Thank you for actually giving him constructive advice, because I'm commenting as many places as I can arguing that the silver timeline is not content worth covering too. I mean I understand wanting to convert fans of the show to fans of the games but you're not about to welcome these people like they're already fans of the same thing I am. And I'm not trying to gatekeep like that, just that literally they are fans of something that shares a name with something I like but not any other details. Like the show would have worked better as a generic scyfy show, but since they named it halo they have us comparing it to something we know like the back of our hands and it isn't measuring up. If it were only different I wouldn't be so upset but it is different AND worse. So now people are somehow becoming fans of the lame show called halo and then acting like we have something in common, when we don't. Jimmy Rings is not and will never be Master Chief, the most he can hope for is Master Cheeks and lately he hits more like a Jebidiah Circumference or something. Idk I know I'm rambling, but the bottom line is we need to do what we can as a public yo get the show canceled before season 3 airs and make sure that they understand they if they ever pay to make cinema with Halo props that they fucking commit and don't half ass this shit ever again. Bully them like the internet did about sonic until they fear us enough to act with respect
It would be nice if the writers actually explained any of this in the fucking show.
They don't do anything to help newcomers understand the context of the universe and clearly expect the audience to fill in the gaps with prior knowledge. But then they change shit just to change it so you don't know what lore you can trust and what you can't. It makes zero fucking sense how they executed this entire show.
It wouldn't even be that bad to have an "alternate" story if the writers just fucking wrote well and explained the differences within the story
Agreed, like I enjoyed the little short stories from halo fractures alt timelines, excluding the fact that they should have stayed in the mcc or been delayed till the end of infinite’s lifecycle so halo could get more in universe style armors, but that aside if you created an actual cool halo midevil alt universe, cause that one from the mcc intrigued me the most, I would eat it up, but as you say it would have to actually be good, and currently those resources are needed in the main timeline currently
I sure would have enjoyed that from CE too.
I always thought it was easy to understand this aliens want to destroy humanity for their religion
Almost like CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Reach, or literally any Halo game had a 10 minute long cutscene telling the story
The only game that actually explained a tad bit of story is ODST, but it explains what happened between Halo 2 and Halo 3
@@ParagonGoetia wtf are you talking about. It came with a game manual that gave the context like just every game at the time did. Even so, CE was a completely self contained story that explained everything out needed to within itself.
The show does none of that. We still don't know the the Covenant are attacking the UNSC from inside the show.
I am thankful for the explanation, because I have no history of Halo before the show. Please enlighten us more on the forerunners.
Start with overviews of Halo 1-3, then look up forerunner halo lore on RUclips. That’ll give you a good start
@@SypitzThank you!
This contains HEAVY spoilers so you might not want to read it. It’s just necessary to explain the lore and some pretty big retcons.
Back when Bungie ran the show it was HEAVILY implied and in other cases outright stated that Forerunners were ancient humans. The ONLY accepting to this were the few things that Frank O’Conner had direct control over like the Iris ad campaign, and one third of Halo 3’s terminals. The rest of Halo 3 was made with humans being Forerunners in mind. Truth and the Gravemind both allude to our Forerunner ancestry, and Guilty Spark outright tells Chief that humans are Forerunners. Things in the main story take precedence over Easter eggs and marketing material that most Halo fans won’t look at/for. It was just kept vague as to whether or not we were literal Forerunners, or apes molded into Forerunners through guided evolution. It would’ve had to be the latter since Halo was originally meant to be set in our real world, and you can’t really reconcile literal ancient humans having a galactic empire with what we know about the humanity’s origins from the fossil record. In fact, in Halo 2’s original ending the Ark was located on earth, in East Africa where modern humans originated some 100,000 years ago. This is also when Forerunners disappeared from the galactic scene after they fired the Rings to destroy the Flood before it overran everything. Inside the Ark there was a humanoid skeleton that acted as the template for the Ark’s machinery to guide evolution of indigenous life along a desired path. This being who fired the Rings and had been guiding our development was also implied to be the Abrahamic god, with the more mythical Bible stories like Noah building an Ark to save life from a coming Flood and God creating man in his image were recontextualized as symbolic retellings of Forerunner history and them shaping hominids into a new “generation” of Forerunners.
This revelation that humans were the children of the Covenant’s gods was what caused the Prophets to wage a war of extermination against us as a way to cover this up. In the book Contact Harvest Me decant bias tells the future hierarchs that the Forerunner relics their Luminaries (devices that detect Forerunner technology) were actually the humans living in the planet (the quote goes like this “For eons I have watched. Listened to you misinterpret. This is not reclamation. This is reclaimer. And those it represents are my creators."). Our existence invalidated the Covenant’s claim to be the true inheritors of the Forerunner’s legacy/technology, and the fact that we were Forerunners who were “left behind” disproved their belief in the Great Journey that said everyone who believed in the promise of the Rings would be saved after they were activated.
I wouldn't look up Halo 1-3 unless you really want spoilers... there are some big twists in the original story that made for great surprises
They never should had started the series this late into the war, thats a critical error imo, they needed to start from way earlier. Litteraly nothing was properly set-up in season 1.
i gotta say, i really like that Installation 00 is always welcoming to new fans of the franchise. one of the things that irks me about many fanbases of [insert genre/ series/ game] is that there always seem to be the gate keeper types who ignore that any content that they see regarding their favorite thing is ultimately entertainment, and thus, is not subject to sticking to a set narrative. for example, there are a lot of halo fans who hate the tv series solely because it doesnt follow the timeline that was established by the games and books. but why should it? a creator wants to create something new and unique within the universe of the story they are telling. why copy the homework done by others just to create a show about a timeline the fans already know about in halo? the games themselves could be seen as interactive movies in and of themselves. personally, i rather enjoy the halo tv series specifically because it doesnt take place in the timeline of the games that ive played since halo c.e. was first released (yes i got an xbox when it first came out just to play halo). it is refreshing to see someone doing objective reviews of the episodes in the halo tv show from a non biased, non gate keeping manner. for that matter, the silver timeline in my opinion is a better representation of how such a situation could play out in real life: the creation of the spartan-ii program in itself poses a host of plot holes in the mainline lore as the spartans never show any kind of animosity towards what was done to them. this simply isnt realistic. people are individuals, and an individual's reaction to finding out that they'd been lied to for years would come with varied reactions and emotional responses. it is one of my favorite parts of the tv series that they have taken the time to explore this since i always felt with the mainline lore that the spartans were too robotic. like they never question their origins, never question why they are doing what they are being asked to do, and simply seem to drink the kool-aid regardless. making master chief become in touch with his humanity is a genius touch in my opinion, because it gives him a better reason to fight for humanity than just "oh this is what you were created for". any soldier, whether trained from birth or not, needs to have a reason to fight that matters to him, and i think master chief is finally showing his reason: to save humanity so he can bring justice for the spartans who've died by later telling their story to humanity at large.
I say, keep going in a chronological order
What is hte silver timeline is that from the show?
Yup 💀 because instead of Blue Team, their Chief is a part of Silver Team
@@tyrxian6452 i thought it was because the 'silver screen'
@@thehorridprofessor2039 What's why they named them Silver Team and I didn't wanna overcomplicate my comment 😅
This is John 117! Sitrep is nominal. Coming in for debriefing 117 out.
John The Master Chief Wick and his Blue dawg Cortana
They shouldn't have done a story line like that with lore that was already so sophisticated before.
I think a series would be cool if you either made it about a completely unknown spartan team
Or maybe made a series about the spirit of fire fighting agains unknown enemies with heavily limited resources desperately trying to get back to human comtrolled space.
That, or as many have requested a lot of times: follow one or more marines or ODSTs and keep the Spartans to the edge of the narrative as mentions and brief appearances in order to maintain their mythological status among the troops. The Band of Brothers formula would've worked so well with this setup as you travel with a squad of marines through a season of a dark and gritty campaign of what's becoming a losing war, culminating at the end with the Fall of Reach and the discovery of Halo.
But alas, studios and corporations think they know better than the fanbase once again...
This is great. Thanks so much for doing this.
I am more curious how many human worlds have been repopulated after the covenant war. I understand the cortana timeline with the forerunner tech and halo infinite. But what is the current statis of humanity at this point?
Beware of the blind all inclusive grenade launcher
When you first saw Halo, where you blinded by its magesty? Paralyzed?? Dumbstruck???
And this war is why a rewriting of the lore was needed. So much of it relies of the Covenant being mindless and stupid, and while that's convenient for a computer game, it's a terrible basis for a TV show.
If the covenant leadership ranks were filled with people , even fanatics, then Truth, Mercy, and Regret would not be allowed to get away with prosecuting the the war the way they did. Doubly so if large parts of the High Council are as back-stabby as those three.
The point of the Covenant was to achieve a higher level of existence through the belief of the Great Journey. For mostly of their entire 3,000 existence, they converted species to their beliefs, which they vehemently believed in, as evidenced with the Brutes. Not to mention the fact that the High Prophets initiated the war to cover up the fact that their religion was false through the annihilation of Humanity. They did this for 27 years before it all came apart in a civil war.
@nightterrors2976 The destruction of Halo only happened because of the war. But for the folly of Truth, Mercy, and Regret, Halo would still exist.
There is no reason for the High Council to tolerate such failure (or the many lesser failures that doubtlessly proceeded it) or to fail to recognise it. A civilisation that has lasted for three millenia should be able to deal with three idiots, no matter what their station is. And yet that doesn't happen. Because the world of Halo is built on idiot balls.
Again, that works in an FPS game where people only care about shooting. It does not work in a drama where the people involved, on both sides, have to be more than cardboard cutouts.
Are you getting things confused? In the games it made complete sense as to why the prophets needed every single human dead. The show is where things break down because now we are expected to believe that they collect special humans while telling the majority of their forces that every single one of us needs to be eradicated? The cognitive dissonance is insane. In the games they needed humanity genocided because if the covenant found out that we were decended from their gods, everything would fall apart. Furthermore, 343 are the ones that initially ruined that lore in the games by retconning it so that there are ancient forerunners and ancient humanity that are separate entities. Then it makes no sense as to why the prophets need us all dead, if we are just reclaimers they could have adopted us into their covenant much like they did with the blessed one in the show. The human covenant war breaking out initially only makes sense if humans are descendants of the ancient (human) forerunners, they find out that any and all humans cannot interact with forerunner technology effortlessly because that means that they should be worshiping us as their gods made flesh but we are weaker than most of the species in the covenant so to avoid losing their power at the head of the covenant to the remnants of their gods they classified us as abominations and gave orders to every member of the covenant to purge us from the universe as if we were the parasite (the flood) since we know that the covenant had been to other halos and commuted with other oracles
Do Master Chief vs Master Cheeks please
Should cover the insurgency next because it precedes First Contact and is the reason the Spartan IIs came into being.
Wonderful video
🔥🔥
It's not "bewildering" that the Silver and mainline canons are so different. It's entirely expected.
The show isn't canon, and it was made non-canon specifically so that the writers could do whatever they wanted without issue.
There's nothing bewildering about that. Corporate greed and creative bankruptcy go hand-in-hand.
Please stop talking. You have no inside knowledge whatsoever so your narrative is an opinion. A non based on at that
Please stop talking. You have no inside knowledge whatsoever so your narrative is an opinion. A non based on at that
@@terencebaker306 🤡
They claim "Its canon, just a different timeline," which makes it non canon, but they insist on shoving it down our throats
@@ShyGuy2020
Lol
Lmao
How thoughtful and inclusive to be doing this
This makes me have more of a understanding of the tv show i bene with halo since the ce days and love this franchise but this makes me have a appreciation for the show even tho I obviously prefer the actual Canon of the games and books but that last episode was in my opinion really good
Excellent summary of my favorite fictional universe! Love Halo. Really, really profoundly disappointed in the TV show wearing Halo’s skin.
This is a great idea yes us long time fans of the franchise have our differences about the show but it’s great to inform new fans about everything !!
Silver timeline?
And this is the unfortunate horror of that show even being produced. Some people aren't aware that they are telling a separate from the games narrative in the show. The show is calling it's version of Halo the silver timeline, while the lore from the games is the original. I argue that there are really 3 timelines already, because 343's entries in the main series kinda contradict the lore from the actually good games. Like my personal halo cannon ended at halo 3 and I am still waiting for a continuation that doesn't involve the forerunners being anything other than ancient humanity.
I've been trying to get my mom into the incredible story of halo for 20 years, and only now she pays attention, because there is a TV show to watch with her son about it... You are doing gods work, I wanted to show her that the story isnt so simple as it is shown on TV.
I think a spark notes version of "What is a spartan/who is Master Chief-John 117?" Would be a good second primer video.
Know of halo since I was 5 or 6 but started watching the TV show 3 weeks ago and am currently on halo 3 of the mcc while speed running your channel for the lore
Just a nitpick, but I wouldn't describe the show as "episodic". Yes, it's a show with many episodes, but episodic shows mean that each episode is largely self-contained. In contrast to episodic shows are serialized shows, of which Halo is one. Serialized shows are just one long narrative broken up into parts by necessity.
Great video, 00. Don't know why this particular video vrought out so many negwtive voices, but I feel like the writers on Season 2 (in particular) are now beginning to drip-feed more lore details.
New audiences won't understand the wider narrative if the show is their only entry point, but I feel like folks who have been fans for 20+ years are coming at the show with all of their acquired knowledge/experience and therefore claim the show has "bad writing" because it's not lore-dumping.
In any case, looking forward to tomorrow and more Silver v. Blue!
I mean, gamers didn't understand the wider narrative either... they were dropped right into Halo CE right where Season 2 appears to be ending. And if we are being completely honest, Bungie didn't know where it was going either....they made it up on their own. I'm still waiting for the second betrayal in the two betrayals... The stories of all mainline games changed drastically as things got cut and reshuffled. The relationship between Forerunners and Humans changed drastically over the 20 years. So... IMO, its okay to drop viewers in without full narrative explanation. The story will tell itself. I think Season 1 could have moved much faster and ended with the Fall of Reach. There could have been less Madrigal story which just felt like filler. And Kwan could have been less whiny... but it was clear from her first mystic quest that she was connected to concepts from the Forerunner saga books - which most gamers haven't read, and so their complaints about mystics and magic is both a misunderstanding of the show and a misunderstanding of the actual lore. The one scene with Makee & Chief is .... regrettable... Terrible decision, even the actors didn't want it.
YESS
This is what the show should've done actually explained, what is going on. Also I think they should show just how dire the situation for humanity is.
Keep doing the work of the Forerunners and I'll see you on the Great Journey.
Back when Bungie ran the show humans and Forerunners were one and the same. The ONLY outliers were the few things Frank O’Conner had direct control over. Also, in Halo 2’s original ending the Great Journey was in a way real, just only ONE could walk it. Truth intended to use the Ark’s machinery (then located on earth in East Africa where modern humans first originated some 100,000 years ago) to create a new species based on his genome, becoming God that way. He intended to use the Rings to wipe the slate clean so he could restart the reseeding process with himself as the base for this new species that would one day come to worship him as a god and spread out into space.
Humans being Forerunners is also what the Human Covenant War was started to cover up.
To be fair, the show could tried to explain less than they did. The video games worked by dumping you straight into a mystery. Much of this back story wasn't from any of the games, not even Reach
The forerunners were only interesting when they were ancient humanity. 343's lore is the root of all modern Halo's woes
Bc the covenant are 64y
everyone knows deep down why the covenant are fighting the humans in the Silver Timeline, because they want to escape the dumpster fire that is this series
Very true
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Season 1 sucked i thought s2 was good i liked s2 ep 7
Season 2 has been enjoyable. It's not the mainline, but we already have seen that story. You don't have to always be insufferably miserable. I promise
@@cato_sicarius S2 is better in some ways than S1, for example the flood mystery is alright, but I cant stand that the fall of reach is just done now, what like 2-3 Episodes and its over? like what? why?
If you’re completely new to Halo and only ever seen the TV series… I AM SO SORRY…
Please make more blue versus silver team comparisons
Thank you Installation 00 for not shitting on this show ❤.
Its actually kinda good and not that bad. Everyone is stuck in their negative mindsets that they cannot grow any further to have an open mind. Im glad that you can make a video that isn't biased to either side.
The rest of you should learn from that, just saying.
100%... some of these people... would be terrible to have as friends. Hopefully they grow tired of torturing themselves with something they hate and just go away. I've dealt with the same thing with Foundation, and how a certain group of book loyalists were furious about every single thing. Just go away, no one wants to hear it.
@@dguisinger Dude, you are a sound person i can already tell.
And Foundation is a book adaptation???? Holy shit ive been loving the show i just started it a couple of months ago. I was pissed when they killed Gale's daughter, i thought they'd continue the generational team up longer than that 😢
Love your content cover chiefs mental state and his feeling thus far from the show and the game from being just a machine to being a human if you would seen the whole video by the way
I'm really enjoying the show can't wait to see the season finale. I learned all I know about halo Lor primarily from your channel. And that was before The Show ever came out. I do hope you do more videos like this because I think it's interesting
I think that these videos will prove really useful to introduce new people to the Halo universe. ❤ I will like to see more about the Forerunners, like the origins of this universe.
Good to see someone be .. Through lore and how the show is showing signs of interdemensional times... star Trek.. Wars.. It's like Dr. Who showed up!!!...
if the timeline is so diferent then just dont expext us to hopin thinking its og halo stuf
One time is the only one that should exist the the other one is content for halotubers to nake videos.
Rip a great franchise
Rip? We aren't dead yet... And Spartans never die.
@@The.prophet.of.truth. feel very sorry for you
@@Shitposter-yp7dj don't... I really don't need you to feel sorry for someone you don't and will never know.
I genuinely wonder how many will discoover halo because of this show. And im not certain it would be a gpod thing. If they vould overlook the writing and sew the charm in the universe that would be great. We will just have to see
For a tv show the writing isnt that bad.
I appreciate the work you are doing to bring new folk into the Halo universe. A part of me wants to see 343 throw out existing cannon and replace it with Silver timeline just to see these complainers and haters heads explode.
In all seriousness, people need to let people enjoy things they are watching. Don't like it? Thats fine, I don't personally find I need to know how much you hate it.
And I'm not blindly defending Season 1, it was sloppy. I was still able to enjoy it but it was a constant eye roll. I wish they condensed the season down and ended with the Fall of Reach. Season 2 is improved in almost every measurable way. I for one had an idea what they were trying to do with Kwan in Season 1... her writing was bad, her character didn't seem to have a point, and the whole Madrigal plot was a waste of time... but.... some of the hints they laid in the 1st season triggered someone to say they thought it was related to the Forerunner trilogy of books, I ran out and listened to them, and instantly had some idea of where it was going - proven to be mostly true with S2E7. I am curious if the old mystic woman presenting herself to Kwan is related to a particular forerunner.
Based on where the show is at, obviously I wouldn't want to see spoilery content as there are twists and turns in the Halo universe that may get reproduced in the show in some form....
But some ideas:
1) Covenant species video
2) Spartan II program origins and differences for silver/blue
3) Non-spoilery forerunners (might be hard?)... maybe topics such as Onyx being artificial could be included
4) An explanation of ONI and comparison of changes, and more detail on the UNSC as they aren't exactly "the good guys"
5) Dr Halsey and her differences for silver/blue
I think getting into what Onyx is for, what the Halo is, what the last episode was hinting at etc, probably shouldn't be put in videos without major spoiler warnings for people who want to see it unfold however the show presents it.
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Silver timeline covenant Vs main timeline covenant? Like armour, rank structure, language, and cultural differences between the two.
The opening is just depressing, you're telling me the tv series doesnt explain these basic parts of the story?
To be completely honest, I prefer just the Halo games. Not the movies, books, comics and DEFINITELY not the TV series...
I kinda consider the series to be a more realistic version of the halo events especially around the Spartan program.
In what reality…
@@Omega4Productions What do you mean? It's a more realistic depiction of the franchise. As in it shows the true emotional gravity of how someone would react to being kidnapped and then fighting a seemingly unstoppable race of Aliens for 30 years straight.
@@trevorhogen7761All stuff that the canon has already tackled. The Halo TV show does not do anything new (or specifically, new AND better than/on parity with canon) that the canon hasn't already tackled.
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I'm disappointed to see so many people in the comments here going "RIP franchise" and talking about "Corporate greed" or "Creative Bankruptcy" in what is an informational video for people that are watching/have watched the TV series and want the information that isn't yet given, or that may be glossed over due to thing being, well, a TV series. Any adaptation of anything even if it's going for concurrent accuracy makes concessions. Let the people that want to watch these videos for what they are, watch and enjoy them.
You're free to have your opinions, but there are times and places for expressing them. In what is supposed to be a welcoming start of a video series, this is not the time nor place to put your personal negativity about the show, for whatever the reasons may be. But, this is youtube comments...
You have become an ecochamner that cannot handle alternative opinions. That is cult like thinking.
In the series they fight humans because of border dispute. As is stated on their web.
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0:01 "If you're completely new to the Halo Universe" That explains the mindset of the Show's writers right there, they all seem completely new to the Halo Universe. The care and dedication to the Themes of Halo shown in the show imply they only really have heard of the Franchise and never really dived into it. They may have seen a game trailer, or read a plot synopsis, and maybe watched Halo: Nightfall and Spartan Ops cutscenes but they've never gone into the Franchise. They've never experienced the Sheer Horror that is the Flood Parasite, do not understand the Religious Fanaticism that blinds The Covenant, The Dire Straights Humanity as a whole are in as they are brought onto the Critically Endangered list by their foe.
That a video like this needs to exist says volumes about how poorly written the TV show is. It's far enough off the games story as to baffle or enrage the gamers, but not explained at all to newcomers. I struggle to figure out what their intended audience is. People peripherally associated with actual gamers that have heard "halo" for the last 23 years, but with little to no knowledge of the universe?
So, is Halo CE bad because it doesn't explain literally everything about the games history in its self contained story?
the real audience is neither fans nor non-gamers, its genuine irl Almaos that are interested in how primitive human culture is, as demonstrated by master-cheeks
@@Shadowhunt687 no halo ce isn't bad because you actually comprehend character motivations for what characters are actually doing, i cant figure out what the covenant or unsc end goal even is in This show. the fact that this video exists is evidence in and of itself that this show is beyond comically written
@@Shadowhunt687 No, because it's a game, not a narrative, provides quite a bit of emergent story throughout the game, and tells you what a Halo is in the first 6 minutes. How many hours has the TV show had to tell its story, and 00 still has to make a video on "why are the fighting"? It's relying on outside knowledge that the average person doesn't have. Watch the pilot of star trek the next generation. You know what that show is about in broad strokes by the end of the opening credits.
It's mostly intended for Halo fans but since they knew that the Halo community would relentlessly complain no matter what they added elements to appeal to the Sci Fi audience as a whole. That's why you watch it for what it is and not for what you want it to be. Something that most Halo fans can't seem to get through their thick heads.
This video is so necessary
Because its cheaper to pay a no name random then to use cgi to create a elite.
Accepted the fact the show is medicore and its just a show. Been enjoying season 2 for what it is. Too much negativity in our lives, all around us and in every subject. Im getting too old to continue on. Hate is a young man game
Who wants to play squad battle
Halo vs the jimmy rings televised fanfiction……i’m gonna be honest if they liked the jimmy rings televised fanfic and are now looking at halo they aren’t gonna like halo very much, they are too different in both quality and story, and keep in mind I will shake hands with someone who thinks halo five is the greatest halo, and |this isn’t a malace thing|, I just simply don’t think anyone who enjoyed the fan fic is gonna like any other halo content
Stupid take. Been playing since Halo 2 and absolutely love the show to pieces.
I have seen many posts from people jumping from the show and wanting to check out the games.
And then most of the comments are giving them a backhanded compliment for "finally enjoying something good!" So those people exist, a shame they're first impression is getting insulted.
Thats the worst take
You would make a favor to everyone if you didnt talk or interact with anyone in your life.
@@glyde_sides halo community gatekeeping at best
It's hard to participate in your own fandom when half the people there may hate you for liking something 😭
I wish the writers actualy cared about the story.. the show just doesnt give a shit..
Man, i love your work, but youre putting far to much effort into the silver timeline, its doa. The writers clearly dont give a shit about halo, hell, theres a plausible rumor that the show was supposed to be for Mass effect.
I wanted to like this show and I do but not because of the right reasons. The wrong reasons are the characters, certain Spartan abilities and wanting to see where it goes. They could have done better. But we here now. A decade too late and a storyline made by a college grad.
"the silver timeline" only came to be called that after someone who didn't know anything about Halo tried to rewrite it according to what he thought it should be. Make a huge mistake and slap a name on it when no one wants it
I'll summarize the show for everyone
Its trash and doesnt matter to the ACTUAL halo lore whatsoever. Its a lazy unimaginative cash grab with the title of Halo slapped on.
Keep coping as Fans and New Fans keep enjoying the Show.
@@drazam6608dude, it’s poorly written. It doesn’t even explain what the Covenant are…as in the whole point of the entire story. You an enjoy the show, but you can’t say this is a well written story.
@@RBG-ez7pdI mean they can still enjoy it even if its really bad on many departments, something doesnt need to be good to be apreciated and enjoyed (but by the forerunners do I wish it was good)
I never play halo but This show is a pile of 🐎💩....😅😂