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@YAJUN YUAN The SDA church tricks people all the time. The Revelation seminars that are advertised by brochures never mention SDA. The first several lessons of the seminar aren’t held in an SDA churc. It’s about the 6th to 8 lesson before the presenter says that they are SDA and then the Seminar moves to an SDA church. Adventists have been doing this for decades.
I was raised SDA lucky for me I had some good friends in high school and college who were Bible believing Christians and helped me discover the Jesus of the Bible. Thank you for these videos
Colleen Tinker here-Thanks, Cultish, for having us on your podcast. I hope this conversation will be helpful in showing what Adventism really is and how it's different from Christianity!
As I pondered the Adventist Church and their teachings, I found it interesting that the end result of Adventist teaching is that they believe 1. The prophet Daniel prophesied Christ would build a great false Church. 2. That Christ and *the Apostles founded the great false church*. 3. Christ would give his body the Church over to Satan in a mere 2 1/2 centuries. 4. And, the Apostles all worked together to teach the entire world to become members of the Great Harlot. *And, that even in 90AD the Apostle John was commanding and begging people to leave the very Church the Apostle John and all the other Apostles belonged to.* 5. And the Church Ellen G. White and the Adventists built to be "The Saints" While the one Christ and the Apostles built would become Satan's Church. No, we have more than a disagreement. This we know, Christ was not Adventist, His Apostles were not Adventist's, and the Apostolic Churches were not Adventist's either. Moreover, neither did Christ, the Apostles or the Prophets teach certain days were Pagan. The end of the matter is that Adventists abuse the bible to justify the fact they despise authority.
I just wanted to come on here and say both of your mini testimonies made me tear up. I am 3rd generation sda, on both sides of my family. I myself attended academy and all 12 years at Adventist schools. My great uncle was president of the European union back in the 80's. Despite growing up in this culture, I always questioned EGW, I just felt something was off. After graduating, I started studying for myself. That was 30 years ago. Anyways, my heart hurts for loved ones still in the church, I just wish I could get them to see. But I wanted to say thank you to both of you, and the work you are doing.
Thank you for your timely testimony. I had just started re-listening to Doug Batchelor when your testimony came up. I am now convinced that SDA is heretical.
I was raised in the SDA church and from a very early age, I felt I could not reconcile some of the doctrines of the church and through the ensuing years, felt increasingly uncomfortable about those teachings but as a child and then a youth, I dared not challenge my parents and the church, but thank God, something happened that caused me to set aside the writings of Ellen White and read the Bible without the “support” of her writings and I can testify that I have never felt closer to God. There is something fundamentally wrong with the writings of White and I am more confident now than ever before, that her books are designed to mislead. Folks, please study your Bible and with the help of the Holy Spirit, you will be so well educated in the Holy Word and be drawn closer to Christ. 🙏🙏🙏
I grew up for a short time; age 9 -16 in the SDA church after my born again Christian father married my SM. So much of this is so familiar and am beginning to understand why I was treated so poorly as a child. In the last episode there was discussion of how SDAs believe they only understand the Bible through EW’s interpretation. That brought flashbacks to when I was about 12 and was in my room, I had decided I was going to read the Bible myself. My SM walked in and asked what I was doing, tersely, and I said reading my Bible. She told me not to bother cause I would never understand it myself. It stopped my dead in my tracks and I have really struggled with being able to sit and read it even to this day. It is something that stuck in my brain. At the time I thought it was that I personally wouldn’t be able to, but now understand it was that she believes no one can without EW. I stopped attending at 16. My father would attend church with her but never really became part of the church or followed all their rules, but 3 years ago dove head first and became a member and it has really changed him and I am very unhappy about it. Fortunately I have recently strengthened my faith and have been able to push back when he tells me things like I can lose my salvation if I am not constantly confessing my sins. I wish he could see these videos.
Saying a prayer that the Bible will become desirable for you to read again. I struggled with this for years, even as a youth being raised in a Christian home.
Listening to this podcast I understand why my SDA friend is always operating in panic mode. She is constantly telling me how terrified she is of the Sunday Law and she hopes she's strong enough to endure and keep the true Sabbath. She is always telling me how everyone who worships on Sunday will take the mark of the beast yet she gets paid to play the piano in a Methodist Church on Sunday. Her justification for that is she's only playing music.
@@jobrown8146 thank you that's my prayer too. She's a sweet woman and one of my dearest friends but the more I learn about Seventh-Day adventism the more my heart breaks.
The Sunday Law has always been the ultimate boogeyman in Adventist thought, and any crisis can and will be used to spur Adventists that this may be the time. Here are just a few events from the past 20 years that were alleged by many that mandatory Sunday keeping was about to happen: Any new pope, Clinton, Y2K, 911, Invasion of Iraq, 07/08 financial crisis, Obama, possibly Ben Carson if elected, Biden, climate laws, COVID, and then COVID vaccine. It's always just around the corner. This is why many Adventists are so conspiratorial and feed on teachers such as Veith and Bachelor because these teachers are always giving "pope alerts" and "prophecy alerts". They have perfected how to press the fear button in the Adventist heart to keep them transfixed.
WHOA. As a nurse, I have worked for an Adventist clinic in the past, and currently live in Walla Walla, WA where SDA Walla Walla University is located. I have had somewhat superficial dialogues with Adventists, where it SEEMED like we were similar in our beliefs on the main salvation principles. I’ve looked into some apologetics, because I always had an uneasy feeling that something was off, but couldn’t really get handle on definitive differences theologically. I had no idea we are so far apart!! This series is amazing, and I’m feeling much more prepared for the next discussion. 😊
This is such a sloppy interview/presentation. I would appreciate some sources for all your claims. I also believe something is seriously not right about SDA doctrine, but how am I supposed to verify anything these ladies are saying if they are just saying them without citing their sources? I'm not interested in claims about what Ellen White wrote. I want to READ the excerpts for myself. But without book references, page numbers, etc. for some of the most disturbing claims put forth in this video, how am I supposed to confirm the reliability of anything. It just comes across as gossip.
@@AcademyApologia That EGW would "destroy" people who didn't agree with her "visions" or who "threatened her financially"; that she advised parents to tie children to their beds to prevent them from touching themselves; all the comments from the 11:34 mark onward about her supposed marital restrictions. Those are some heavy bizarre accusations, and the least the folks in this video could do is provide sources. And for the record, I'm not defending EGW, as I find her writings pretty insane in their own right, but I also believe if you're gonna come at someone, you'd better have receipts. The more I watched the video, the more claims I heard without any actual evidence presented. In what book at least, does EGW make the above statements. Could we get a quote. I just found this whole exchange extremely lazy.
@@axiomsandthings9213 I do not have in my list of quotes the ones you are seeking. But as think about them and talk to others, I can ask and return if anything is discovered.
When I left-a family member told me that when Jesus returns he will say to me, “depart from me,I never knew you.” Because I left “the truth”. I was living in sin as an SDA and no one batted an eye. Now that I am a “Sunday keeper”, I’m the outcast.
I'm sorry about that, unfortunately that isn't a surprise..BUT the important thing is to keep your focus on Jesus. You've born again, right? If so, your a child of God part of the body of Christ. Jesus is our everything all we need.
Jesus knowing that the Sabbath keepers *would always persecute, revile and speak all manner of evil against his disciples* consoled them after this manner: Mt. 5:11 *Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely* , for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: *for so persecuted THEY (the Sabbath keepers) the prophets which were before you.* The Sabbath keepers have a long history of persecuting and speaking all manner of evil against Christians falsely. Then, Christ well said to the Sabbath keepers in Mt. 23 :34 Wherefore, behold, *I send unto YOU prophets, and wise men* , and scribes: and *some of them YOU shall kill and crucify; and. some of them shall YOU scourge in *your* synagogues, and *persecute them from city to city* : (Rev. 17vs 6, Rev. 18:24) Now Compare Rev. 18:24 And in HER was found *the blood of prophets, and of saints* , and *of all that were slain upon the earth.* (Compare MT. 23:35 above) ….. Christ explicitly agrees with Rev.18, that the Old Covenant Sabbath keepers are the Harlot of Revelation 18!
Par for the course. But don't be angry at them. Pray for them. They've more than likely been indoctrinated and truly believe it. My Adventist family is the same way.
@@chucksmith4624 most Adventists are well meaning people who have simply fallen prey to bad theology. Being angry at them doesn't really do any good. They need the Lord to remove the blinders off of their eyes.
Part one and I’ll part two both have been enlightening to me. I am a seeker of truth. I got pulled off into seventh Adventism, after many years of serving and various churches where I was employed as a musician. my roots were from Grand Rapids Baptist Bible College in Michigan had a solid base and now here I am in the SDA Church and wondering what I’m doing there and how I get myself out there serving musician and very involved in that area so it’s difficult to just not show upanymore. So please keep it coming I’m listening I’m learning and I’m realizing even before hearing this broadcast that there was something just not right and I may comments and of course they just circle around it and I feel like as I am stupid and just don’t get it and they all do and they’re also smart and I’m dumb
I come from Amish heritage. Amish leaders also say the members do not know enough to read scriptures on their own. Any church that does not encourage their members to read scriptures on their own, without church interpretation, is a dangerous church. I wish you would explore the Amish. There is a group called something like Mission to Amish People that are ex-Amish ministering to their people. They would be a valuable source of information.
I was raised 7th Day Adventist but thank God I was delivered from that. I didn't hear the gospel until I was 29 years old. I knew there was a "creep" factor in how Ms. White was propounded and I just could not accept the hypocrisy of the whole system as it was presented.
Likewise. Raised SDA, father is an SDA pastor, educated in their institutions, etc. Never once heard the true Gospel until I was an adult in university. Hit me like a freight train.
You do realize that the "spirits" that Ellen G. White was communing with were demons right? Same as Joseph Smith and his angel Moroni, another demon. Satan can take the form of an angel of light to fool the mentally weak and lure them from Christ. @@statutesofthelord
I read the entire Bible with Graham Maxwell on tape and online many times. That was the beginning of Adventism full understanding and trusting Jesus as great physician who can heal all the damage done by sin.
@@statutesofthelord The problem for the Adventists and their like is the fact that nowhere in the entire bible does the Sabbath is binding upon the entire world, or Gentiles or Christians. You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. *For those who want the scriptural evidence that Christians are NOT obligated whatsoever to keep the Sabbaths of the Jews or meat distinctions, here it is right before your very eyes!* And, in this Chapter we find the foundation for *The Council of Laodicea in AD 347 which is nothing more than a reiteration of the decrees of Acts 15 by the Apostles themselves.* and the Anathema from the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians who stupidly taught the same thing as the Adventists and the Armstrongs. > Acts 15 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the WHOLE church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 *Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:* 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, *who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.* Acts 15:28 *For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost (GOD ALMIGHTY) , and to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. • These are commandments from God Almighty to leave the Gentiles alone regarding any Jewish holyday, Sabbath, meat distinctions, tithing, or any other Jewish custom. • ACTS 21:25 *As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe NO such thing*, save ONLY that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. There are NO sabbaths, no Jewish holy days, no Jewish New Moons, no Jewish tithing and leave the Gentile Christians ALONE! You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. The Adventist are guilty of falsely speaking for God, making void the commandment from God to leave the Gentiles alone and creating, Jewish fable and traditions of men, not from God. And, deliberately putting a stumbling block in the way of being Christian. For them, it's all about a pretended Sabbath keeping to hide their own sins. The Sabbath is not required of Christians. The Fruits of the Spirit, which are by faith through the Grace of Jesus Christ are. See Gal.5:17-22 As Gal.5:22 "Against such there is no law!" Period, Christ commanded the entire world to obey the Church, not pick up corrupt bible translation and start their own Church. The Adventists and their like just want to throw a stumbling block in your way, and they don't keep the Sabbath either.
Just want to thank you. My knowledge before this was SDA observed the Sabbath and ate vegetables. Cool, God bless them, I'm not that legalistic...wowever, my eyes have been opened as I've read through their 28 Beliefs and listening to your videos helps open it up even more. Keep up the good work guys (and ladies!).
@@jaco7675 I am sorry. What I mean is, that I would encourage you to study prayerfully with your wife. I trust she loves you very much and wants you to understand the mark of the beast correctly. I am SDA too, and what I can tell you with truly all of my heart is, that what these two ladies present here about adventism is in many many ways a total misrepresentations of historic and doctrinal facts. I can just hope and pray, that you will be open to study with your wife. May God bless you
@@timohoffmann1888 Is a programmed SDA bot account ⚠️☝️.....it will only debate when you reply with questions.... If you present sources to refute it's claims...it won't comprehend and can't come up with an answer....
Timohoffman Is a programmed SDA bot account ⚠️☝️.....it will only debate when you reply with questions.... If you present sources to refute it's claims...it won't comprehend and can't come up with an answer....
Could you share some documentation of the Camp auSable incident? I am in Michigan and just took my name from the books two weeks ago. I haven’t heard about that and can find no documentation.
I felt the same way listening to their "Former Adventist" podcast series called "Inspecting Adventism's Beliefs" (starting at episode 99), in which they go through the 28 fundamental beliefs using the "Seventh-day Adventists Believe" book and break down what's wrong with each of them. I highly recommend it.
Thank you for taking us through not only the history of religion in the U.S. at the time but the exploitation of Ellen G. White’s “visions” by her husband. These podcasts were very informative for me since I don’t really know much about the SDA “church.”
First pray to God for the work of the holy spirit to guide you into all truth, then read your Bible a few times. Then you need to read a few books of their's by EGW 1) Step to Christ 2) Thoughts from the Mount of Blessings 3) Christ Object Lessons 4) Desire of Ages Then you can decide of what spirit these books are. But read your bible first. Amen
59:15 Here's an example of Ellen White's book on the life of Christ (Desire of Ages) taken from author Daniel March: ruclips.net/video/vDUhCVRF468/видео.html Two claims of hers: “God would be pleased to see ‘The Desire of Ages’ in every home. In this book is contained the light he has given on his work.” Ellen White, Supplement to the Review and Herald, July 3, 1900 "My work has been in the field since 1845. Ever since then I have labored with pen and voice. Increased light has come to me as I have imparted the light given me. I have very much more light on the Old and New Testament Scriptures, which I shall present to our people." Ellen White Letter 61a, 1900.
@YAJUN YUAN Then there is a veil over your heart. Turn from the false messenger to the Savior, Jesus. He paid the price for your sin and offers salvation freely. Stop working for salvation and receive it. Romans 10:13 🙏
The summary of Ellen G. Whites *"Great Controversy"* argument are thus concerning the Apostasy of the Apostolic Church from her book, in chapter 3. 1. The Apostle Paul and John warned that the Apostasy of the Church Christ instituted. And, that the apostasy of the Church along with the Apostles was going to happen and was already happening in 53AD and by 90AD, the Apostle John was already commanding people to *"Come out the Church Christ instituted upon the Apostles, the prophets and Christ being the chief cornerstone.* Thus, the "HER" and Harlot of Revelation 18 to EGW and Adventism is the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and the book of Revelation is begging all the Christians to leave the Church Christ died for and John, Paul and all the Apostles labored to bring into the "ONE Faith", ONE Body, the ONE Church to an end regardless of Christ promise to never leave it or the gates of hell prevail over it. 2. The falling away, was NOT those who left the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. *but THOSE WHO REMAINED WITH the Apostolic Church Christ instituted was "falling away"* And, ONLY those who would LEAVE the Church would be saved, while those who followed in obedience to the Church would be lost. 3. The falling away in her mind described in 2Thess. 2:4 *was caused by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church abandoning the enforcement of the Sabbath commandment upon the Gentiles.* and that every Christian must become Jewish first, before claiming to be Christian (condemned in Acts 15-16:4) and the claim of Cephas to be Pope. 4. Her claim was that Grace and faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Holy Spirit was and is not sufficient to keep a person from murdering or stealing..etc., thus the spirit of lawlessness. And, that only by the LAW of 10 commandments could keep people from sinning, not by the power of the Holy Spirit. 5. She also claimed that suddenly somewhere long before 325AD, the Catholic Church and THE POPE, who was the Vicar of Christ and no one in the entire known world protested. This was already occurring in 53AD when the Apostle Paul wrote 2Thessalonians 2 while at the same time the Apostle Paul as calling the Pope "Cephas" meaning Rock. And, prior to that Christ named Him "Rock" from the moment Christ called him and so did every other Apostle who spoke the Aramaic language, as Christ and most of Judea at the time. Only those who DISOBEYED the Church could be saved in EGW's teaching. 6. Ellen G. White claimed by the time of Constantine, AND THE POPE, and the entire known world of Christianity had fallen away to join forces with the Pope and that was "The Great Falling Away" prophesied in 2Thess. 2:4 in *325AD* , *While at the same time teaching the Papacy didn't BEGIN until 538AD* 217 years later. *She and her "Great Swelling words" (2Peter 2 and Jude **1:16**) is a perfect fraud!* 7. For Ellen G. White, persecution and martyrdom of the Church was a good thing and the church living in peaceful times was deplorable. She would have preferred that the torture of the Christians continued than have peace. 8. In the end, Ellen G. White and the Adventist church teaches the Papacy didn't begin until 538AD according to their 1260 day prophecy, but that conflicts directly with their own writings which say the Papacy was already ruling in 325AD, which is 217 years or more. 9. Ellen G. White writes explicitly in Chapter 3 of the book Great Controversy, speaking of the time of Constantine in 325AD less than 200 years after Christ: *"THE GREAT APOSTATE HAD SUCCEEDED in exalting himself “above all that is called God, or that is worshiped.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4. He (the Pope) had dared to change the only precept of the divine law that unmistakably points all mankind to the true and living God.* (Great Controversy Chapter 3. …. "No such honor was given to the day by Christ or His apostles. *The observance of Sunday as a Christian institution had its origin in that “mystery of lawlessness”* (2 Thessalonians 2:7, R.V.) which, *EVEN in Paul’s day, had begun its work.* Chapter 3 of Great Controversy. Yet, there is no record of any "Controversy" about a change from the Sabbath to Sunday in the records of Church history. And, neither is there any controversy concerning Peter's place as the Rock Christ gave him. Acts 15-16:4 Clearly condemns the Judaizing of Christians and from then on every person who taught that the Gentiles were obligated to live as do the Jews, were called, "False brethren" and to be avoided. 10. Lastly, EGW's and the Adventist's point is that Christ (God himself in the flesh) could *NOT* and did not *"Point mankind to the true and Living God"* And, that only by Sabbath keeping could they come to know God, period.
How can you just say that someone isn’t born again? Are you saying adventists aren’t saved? How can you explain how she also said to always look to the Bible first before her writings and the Bible has more authority? I appreciate you sharing this, I’m just trying to get everything straight in my mind.
SDA doctrine: we don't have spirits, so what is born again for them? It is merely mental assent. If you believe in the wrong Jesus, the wrong Gospel, etc, can you be saved? Something to think about.
Minute 9:48, you are so wrong: SDA belive in hell! That their belief is not similar to your belief, that doesn't mean they don't have a concept of hell...so, like in the first episode, I can only see the frustration and need to discredit them in a very manipulating way.
Wow some similarities to JW's. Very interesting show. I almost went to a SDA church after I watched this movie done by SDA but some of the things just didnt sit well and I decided not to. A big red flag was the worship (as I saw it) of Ellen White. I did some research on SDA before going to meet with the pastor at the church and cancelled the appointment. I thank Jesus for directing me away, it was Him not me. He led me and gave me discernment to realize this is a false religion. Praise God!
I was in Pathfinders for at least one year and went to summer camp to and I never had that training or had soldiers storming the church. I went to church in Lima Linda.
Dear friends I am SDA. I was raised SDA. I struggled with the SDA message for some time but through study and prayer I intellectually continue in this faith and not with “blind devotion. It is my prayer you will with open mind read what I have to say in response to these episodes. The first question I have is why are these “SDA experts” featured? Why is not a current SDA member on the panel for discussion? Over the years I’ve been exposed to individuals such as these ladies and rarely can an objective discussion ensue due to overwhelming bias. In fact the majority of the “facts” presented here are skewed to fit their narrative. Where is the balance? It is clear the Apologia hosts have already made up their minds before the conversation could even give anyone the opportunity to make an informed decision? Where are the biblical texts to back up the information presented? Where are the historical documents? We should have learned over the past few years,in particular, that ad hominem,“character” attacks should alert to the fact something is amiss; this is exactly what’s going on here. It should also be noted that anyone who’s “ministry” is for the primary purpose of discrediting a group might ought to raise some eyebrows as well. Aren’t there usually two sides to a story? For instance they call attention to “insider” Sabbath school lessons and other written materials. The sole purpose for this is to make it seem secret or insider or cultish; these “experts” would have you believe there is some conspiratorial information ONLY for SDAs. I find this laughable. A simple Google search and you’ll find this “insider” information. The fact is anyone can acquire these items at adventistbookcenter.com/ and most of it on Amazon; not so insider… These “experts” would have you believe Adventists hold some distorted view of the soul when in fact we hold the biblical view of soul sleep. (Ecc. 9:5) www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead- They would have you believe the Sabbath doesn’t matter. (Ex 20:8-11). They poke fun at the idea of a great controversy between Christ and Satan. But doesn’t the Bible introduce such an idea in Genesis 3:1? Did God really say? (Questioning God’s authority); What about Satan presenting himself in the councils of God regarding Job (Is anyone loyal to God?) Job 1:6-12); Lucifer wanting to ascend to the heavens (Be like the Most High) Isa. 14:14; The temptations of Christ (who will you worship?) Matt 4:1-11; Or how about Michael and his angels? (physical battle) Rev 12:7. Do these not at least allude to a struggle? Paul admonishes us not to forget we do not fight against flesh and blood (Eph 6:12). What about Christ sweating as it were great drops of blood in Gethsemane? Is that only from physical strain or perhaps He’s become the Sacrifice and the sins of the world are laid upon His head? Lk 22:44 There is spiritual battle. 1 Peter 5:8-9. Again I ask is it too hard to believe in a controversy between Christ and Satan? If that’s not too much of a stretch then ask yourself why do these experts along with the hosts of Cultish poke fun; ad hominem. I would suggest reading The Great Controversy for yourself with Bible in hand. m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132.2?ss=eyJwYXJhbXMiOnsicXVlcnkiOiJUaGUgZ3JlYXQgY29udHJvdmVyc3kgIiwibGFuZyI6ImVuIn0sInNnX2luZGV4IjoiMCJ9#2 They would have you believe William Miller came up with a “theory” of a day for a year to back up his end time predictions. A day for a year is not his “theory” but is in fact supported by the Bible itself. 1844madesimple.org/year-day-principle/ Another point. Does not Apologia Church hold to sola scriptura ( I’m not trying to attack this church; the question needs to be asked)? If so then why do it’s pastors not teach Sabbath observance? Did not God say, “Remember the Sabbath day…? (Ex 20:8-11) Is there any biblical text(s) giving evidence to authority to remember the Sunday? Did Christ come to abolish the law or fulfill it? (Matt 5:17-20) Which law did he come to fulfill? Is Christ not the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? (Rev 13:8); Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system. He did not nail the Decalogue to the cross. Jesus has identified His faithful remnant as those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus (Rev 12:17). He did not say keep part or almost or do away with one of the commandments or it’s okay to keep a human tradition ( because it commemorates His resurrection)…no He has said if you love me keep commandments. (Jn 14:15). Nowhere in my Bible is there mention of commemorating His resurrection day on Sunday. I am not admonished in my Bible anywhere to honor a man made custom in lieu of. I just can’t find it anywhere and if evidence can be shown to the contrary I’d happily keep Sunday if that is God’s command. So why do Protestants keep Sunday? By what authority? Where is the command found? These questions need to be asked. Have you looked at the history regarding Sunday keeping? Do some digging. Here’s an interesting article written some time ago. www.practicaprophetica.com/books/atj/romes-challenge-why-do-protestants-keep-sunday/ In fact further historical study regarding the Reformation leads to the Council of Trent. You may be shocked as to what was decided. And this may be hard to read but the council found the Protestant Reformation an unwarranted revolt. Why? Because they claimed the scripture alone as sole authority but Protestants stated in the Augsburg Confession they keep the “Lord’s Day” as appointed by the Church (Catholic). Thus the Council of Trent ruled the Reformation as nothing more than a revolt. And look what happened in October 2016; Protestants have gone into ecumenical council with Pope Francis in effect handling over the what remains of the Reformation. You can read more about here: www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/the-council-of-trent And: amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/29/reformation-luther-pope-francis-catholics This is a vast subject and I could say a lot more but please do not take my word for it. This may discredit everything I’ve said thus far but what’s been presented here is false information and false teachings. These well intending individuals are leading folks down the wrong road. Please. Please. Do your own study. I’ve provide links; you can start there. And I’ll provide a few more resources below. At the very least read the first chapter of The Desire of Ages, entitled, God with Us. Use your Bible compare this chapter with scripture . I challenge you to see if this is “cultish”. If that’s not convincing enough read the whole book or The Great Controversy along with your Bible. There’s no insider, secret information here. Read and study for yourself. m.egwwritings.org/en/book/130.21#21 Resources: www.practicaprophetica.com/books/atj/romes-challenge-why-do-protestants-keep-sunday/ m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc rumble.com/vmod4z-wup-66-futurism-dispensationalism-antichrist-and-mark-of-the-beast-indonesi.html
Did you mention the fundamental beliefs and vows? And how egw writings are placed EQUAL to scripture.... Let's see here 🧐... Vow #8: "I ACCEPT the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the IDENTIFYING MARKS of the REMNANT CHURCH." Now let's see what fundamental belief #18 has to say about the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH 🤔.... FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF #18 One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH and was MANIFESTED in the ministry of ELLEN G. WHITE. (SO.... here we see that as a member of the REMNANT CHURCH you MUST vow to ACCEPT the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH which was MANIFESTED in ELLEN G WHITES writings) Now let's see what the spirit of prophecy herself has to to say about her writings.... ELLEN G WHITE: We "MUST" follow the directions given through the spirit of prophecy [Mrs. White's writings]. ... God has spoken to us through His Word. He has spoken to us through the Testimonies to the church and through the books that have helped to make plain our present duty and the position that we should now occupy." (Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 298)
@@dr.g1482 My point is what the sources say it is,"smarty".... Learn to read before looking foolish... Ellen G White has EQUAL authority to scripture...do you need a dictionary for understanding what specific word's placed in a specific order mean?
@@rebeccagable9629 who appeared to Abraham before destroying Sodom? Who appeared to Joshua before marching against Jericho? Who appeared to Gideon before fighting the Midianites? Who appeared to Minoah foretelling the birth of Samson? Who was in the fiery furnace with the 3 worthies? Jesus has always humbled Himself, first to take on Angel form and then human form. He’s the ladder that Jacob saw in his dream connecting heaven and earth. He bridges the gap. He stands in the breech. He lives to intercede.
Is it just me, or does it seem like diabetes runs rampant in the SDA church? When I was an SDA I feel like I remember a lot of people were diabetic, seems like the combination of veggies and desserts contributes to that. Thank yall for doing the podcast and exposing SDA further. God Bless!
I think somewhere good to point groups that heavily emphasize the OT law is Matthew 22:36-40: “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” And then to ask, “Has anyone ever kept this law? Do you?”
Can you do a series on the book of Revelation? I feel the world/people/believers need a better understanding of the book. I've seen some of your videos on the topic but I feel like a verse by verse series is in desperate need at this time, where people think the world is about to end.
There are plenty of good studies on it. Might suggest John MacAurthur and/or David Hocking. Hocking i liked as he will cover briefly the different views pre/post/mid/a-tribulational views and why and what the problems are with each view. While most find Revelations difficult, while i agree with what J.Veron McGee use to say. Revelations is the easiest book to understand in the Bible, you only need to know one thing to understand it well. That is the rest of the 65 books before it... And there is the problem, given as small as Revelation is, there are 700+ or more references to/from the other 65 books. Just saying impossible to understand Revelation with out having the context from the other passages. And there is the problem, at least when talking with most people you run into at church, most have no clue what is actually in the Bible.
Most mainstream christians dont study revelation....for good reason. To them it doesnt apply to our time and theres really no benefit of reading it. If you follow a historicist method of prophetic interpretaion however, it makes a whole ot more sense. Which, in fact, is the way most, if not all, protestants interpreted the books of Daniel and revelation. It wasnt until somewhat recently, that mainstream christianity adopted some of these ways of interpreting prophecy. And it all has one thing in common. It doesnt apply to our time. Either future or past fulfillment of the text but nothing really for us now. The historicist method will take you down through history allowing the bible to basically interpret itself, through reading Daniel and Revelation together and following history while doing so. It makes a whole lot more sense that way to me.
@@rogerwilco1910 Unfortunately, she comes with stories that she already believes, like the Rapture, eternal everlasting torture chambers and such just blinds you when trying to actually study the book itself.
One topic that I think needs more discussion is the SDA understanding of what Scripture is. It is very hard to study with an Adventist as they often say 'that's not what the text means'' and then give an interpretation straight from Ellen White. Here, from the E.G. White estate is a quote: 5. Verbal Versus Plenary. Mrs. White states directly that it is not the words of the Scriptures that are inspired, but rather the men who wrote them--the prophets were "God's penmen, not His pen."[91] The semantic problem here is recognized--a given word may convey different ideas to different people. Yet if a writer or speaker is intellectually honest, he can usually convey his meaning plainly.[92] The same truth may be expressed in different ways without essential contradiction.[93] Basically, "inspiration acts not on the man's words or his expressions but on the man himself, who, under the influence of the Holy Ghost, is imbued with thoughts."[94] 6. What the Bible is not. The Bible does not represent the words, the logic, or the rhetoric of God.[95] "God, as a writer, is not represented."[96] Indeed, God says that His thoughts are not our thoughts, neither are His ways our ways (Isaiah 55:8, 9). But the Bible does point to God as its "Author."[97] Christ "Himself [is] the Author of these revealed truths."[98] And the link is: whiteestate.org/legacy/issues-rev-insp-html/ So trying to study with Adventists is like trying to nail down jello.
king, you have pointed out a big problem - some people go to what the EG White Estate says, instead of going to what Ellen White actually wrote. She wrote many, many times that the words in the Bible are inspired, from God.
I know it is unlikely for this to get through to Cultish, but I could really use help! Too much of what they are saying about Christ's sacrifice sounds too much like the cult I have been trying to expose. I would love to talk to some former seventh day adventists about this, but I am not sure who or how to contact them. If anyone could help, it would be greatly appreciated.
What about the death of Christ from an Adventists perspective would you like to know? Adventists deny the one true and final atonement of Christ and here are two quotes: “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.” White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357 “The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.” Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
The problem for the Adventists and their like is the fact that nowhere in the entire bible does the Sabbath is binding upon the entire world, or Gentiles or Christians. You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. *For those who want the scriptural evidence that Christians are NOT obligated whatsoever to keep the Sabbaths of the Jews or meat distinctions, here it is right before your very eyes!* And, in this Chapter we find the foundation for *The Council of Laodicea in AD 347 which is nothing more than a reiteration of the decrees of Acts 15 by the Apostles themselves.* and the Anathema from the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians who stupidly taught the same thing as the Adventists and the Armstrongs. > Acts 15 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the WHOLE church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 *Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:* 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, *who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.* Acts 15:28 *For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost (GOD ALMIGHTY) , and to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. • These are commandments from God Almighty to leave the Gentiles alone regarding any Jewish holyday, Sabbath, meat distinctions, tithing, or any other Jewish custom. • ACTS 21:25 *As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe NO such thing*, save ONLY that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. There are NO sabbaths, no Jewish holy days, no Jewish New Moons, no Jewish tithing and leave the Gentile Christians ALONE! You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. The Adventist are guilty of falsely speaking for God, making void the commandment from God to leave the Gentiles alone and creating, Jewish fable and traditions of men, not from God. And, deliberately putting a stumbling block in the way of being Christian. For them, it's all about a pretended Sabbath keeping to hide their own sins. The Sabbath is not required of Christians. The Fruits of the Spirit, which are by faith through the Grace of Jesus Christ are. See Gal.5:17-22 As Gal.5:22 "Against such there is no law!" Period, Christ commanded the entire world to obey the Church, not pick up corrupt bible translation and start their own Church. The Adventists and their like just want to throw a stumbling block in your way, and they don't keep the Sabbath either.
@@AcademyApologia Thanks. Don't know why RUclips did not notify me of this comment sooner, but that helps. The cult I look into has a view of Christ as more of an example of what we need to do than being a sacrifice to take our place. So I can see some similarity there.
@@lincolnliking I saw the picture. The Michigan Conference took it down after people commenting/complaining. It was a very shocking sight. As a parent who raised her daughter in the SDA church, I shudder to think what she must have heard, or been taught. So glad that my husband, myself and my daughter have left the SDA denomination.
I remember the picture they're talking about. But I don't think it was a Pathfinders thing. I thought it was a Sabbath afternoon activity they did during summer camp there. Not a huge difference but that's just my recollection.
So I watched part 1 to this series, l was raised Adventist myself. This entire discussion is seasoned with a lot of bias and error. It would have been wise to have an actual non ex Adventist responding as well.
@Joel Villarreal... Again, I'm just saying. He referenced and quoted Ellen white. This will prove that some statements made by the ex-Adventist were incorrect, as well as, you can verify everything for yourself. My goal in watching cultish was to see if I myself could view Ellen as a prophet, so far I'm inconclusive. I personally don't agree that we should use her views to interpret scriptures, she also noted that if we read the Bible ourselves there is no need for her. This video stated that not all her writings were inspired. I also believe that Adventist use her too heavily when she even advised against this. What's interesting though is that, there is nowhere in scriptures that support worshiping on Sunday as the day of worship. The catholic church has release statements that they change the day of worship to Sunday. The whole world followed. It is better to obey God than man. To be a Christian means to me Christ like. Jesus kept the 7th day sabbath.
@Joel Villarreal so, she didn't call herself a prophet, and I'm not defending her either. My mission is to find out if I should accept her as a prophet because many Adventist quotes her when trying to interpret scriptures. I'm not sold out on all the interpretation of scripture from the SDA church, however, I am sold out on the day of worship. Jesus kept the sabbath and I aspire to be like him. They're no documentation in scriptures where the day of worship was changed to Sunday, but I have shared a video where the Catholic church noted that they were the one that made the change. Who do you Obey, God or man? You don't need to be an SDA but you need to be a remnant. Keep the Commandments and have the testimonies of Jesus. Rev 12:17
@Joel Villarreal not to go back and forth because my intention is not to convince anyone that Ellen is or is not a prophet. Unless everyone is lying, she's prophesied many things. In addition, what I stated and I stand correct, and even the examples that you listed does that say that she explicitly said she's a prophet. Based on the records, we could say she's a great guesser, but that defies probability. Do I myself think she's a prophet, I am still doing my research. Do we need he? I don't think so.
@Joel Villarreal I've spent over 40 years in the Adventist Church, I was never taught not to believe in the trinity, God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit. I've always understood that we're saved by grace. If your primary goal is to win or invest your time arguing, then already your heart is in the wrong place. A lot of errors were shared during this discussion, I didn't say it was 100% incorrect. I agreed that the Adventist Church esteem Ellen white to a level that has created a lot of "great controversies" lol. I personally don't believe in a remnant church. I believe in a remnant people. The most important identification I want to bare is "Christian". I already have enough issues with the Bible itself. I wish God would speak to me more clearly but for whatever reason he doesn't. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the LORD. Isiah 66:23 That tells me that the sabbath is still relevant if we're going to observe it in heaven. No scripture said that the sabbath was changed to Sunday nor should it be interpreted to be Abolished. The wages of sin is death, not torment, if we will burn forever sin will never be destroyed. According to Rev 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” Adventist doesn't teach that hell is a literal place that is in existence. I believe this. So I'm not here to defend Ellen or Adventist, but they were lies in this video.
Very unkind careless insinuations without evidence. Mean, gossiping ladies couldn't surpass what these two are doing. It's lies lies lies unbalanced lies.
ruclips.net/video/VkRdrz8-uzI/видео.html they seem to have the episodes miss numbered. But this was the next one after Ellen G White, and the Millerites part two
@@maxwelledisonsmum Thank you! It would be SO helpful if they’d at least add the part 3 to the title that it pertains to. I’ve been frustrated trying to find it and wondering if it was removed.
@@Stefan-X24 - “So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.” Hebrews 4:9-11 The 4th commandment is not mentioned in the NT, but resting in Jesus is. It is the blood of Christ plus NOTHING that saves us.
@@Stefan-X24 - No, it is not. He who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works: Entering this rest means no longer needing to work. The idea isn’t that there is no longer any place for doing good works. The idea is that there is no longer any place for works as a basis for our own righteousness. It’s about faith in Jesus. This cessation from works as a basis for righteousness fulfills our “Sabbath rest.” God rested from His works on the original Sabbath of Genesis 2:2 because the work was finished. We cease from self-justifying works because Jesus finished the work on the cross. If you trust in anything for righteousness other than the person of Jesus Christ Himself, then you are deceiving yourself. There nothing you can perform or do to earn favor with God. ““Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28 You have already broken the 10 commandments - that ship has sailed. The only hope is the applied blood of Jesus Christ, and abide in Him. “Rock of Ages, cleft for me; let me hide myself in thee.”
What it boils down to is these women as well as many others heard the truth but without a deep personal relationship with Jesus, misunderstood those words and took offense to much of it as did so many others they had come in contact with. They are out there. But when properly understood in the context the Lord meant, it's beautiful. When Jesus said in Matthew 24 to pray that it not happen on the Sabbath or in the winter, He meant it. To dismiss that is not dismissing Ellen White but to dismiss Jesus' own words. These women are not Bible believers and dismiss not only White's interpretations but Jesus' Himself. These are a prime example of people with "itching ears". They don't want the unvarnished truth, they want what feels good and sounds good. The Bible is beautiful and true through and through. To dismiss any part of it is blasphemy. Remember Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Don't take the wide and popular path and don't listen to extremists of any faith. Read the Bible and pray for understanding for yourself. That's what the Bible teaches us to do. Don't skim the surface and pluck out only what sounds good but take those "difficult" scriptures and ask questions of it, then search for other verses throughout the Bible that will help to clarify that scripture...a little here, a little there. Your understanding will be opened when you search and pray and truly want truth. It's not ok to simply dismiss what you don't understand and say it's not for us. Every word in the Bible was given to us as a gift to help us in our life's journey. When you figure that out and how to pray with an honest heart you can and will find your way.
@27:00 I am reminded of a popular book that seems to be written around this end time apocalyptic viewpoint called "Project Sunlight". published by Adventists. There is definitely a huge martyr complex within this sect. Regarding her advice on diet the very things she restricted she partook, animal flesh meats, venison, wine for stomach problems, oysters, as her assistants watched her eating these things they were confused as to why she partook in "these abominations" - there are letters of her describing the venison she ate as being "tender as chicken" and how they all "enjoyed it very much", then on the other hand she says "I do not tell my hears to do one thing while I do another". In terms of scriptural tests, Ellen white failed here when she predicted, yet again, the return of Christ in 1856. Adventists excuse this by saying that all of her prophecies are conditional (and they cite Jonah/Ninevah as an example of God saying something hen not doing it) and EGW herself said Christ did not return because "the church" did not "finish the work" - aka blaming the victim.
OK so the fundamental teachings doctrine biblical teachings out of the actual scriptures do any of those that they upheld contradict The Bible are there any biblical doctrine that someday I'd finithe 7th Adventist uphold that contradict the Bible?
Great interview and discussion guys!! I do have a couple questions... 1. What top points would you make to someone who says that 7th day Adventism is just another Christian denomination? 2. I may have missed it but could you highlight specifically where they differ on the Gospel, specifically in their printed material? (so it can be referenced) I thought the point about Jesus being Michael the archangel was an excellent point (ie wrong God, like you point out with Mormons all the time).
@REK Knives I would learn about the differences between the Jesus of the New Testament and EGW's jesus. For example, EGW wrote in the Desire Of Ages that Jesus had older brothers.....BIG problem! Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, so it's impossible for Jesus to have older brothers. Learn the differences!!
@YAJUN YUAN and that too is a big problem. Where is it taught in scripture that Joseph was previously married? Since when does Catholic's speak on my behalf about scripture. Any Orthodox christian denomination that teach Jesus having older brothers are doing so on their own authority, not on the authority of scripture. This christmas, when you see a nativity scene, ask yourself why these "older" brothers of Jesus aren't included in the scene. It's because Jesus didn't have "older" brothers.
My dad was a SDA pastor and some of the things these dear sisters are saying was not my experience. I have always believed in the historical Christian trinity from as far back as I can remember. One of the main reasons I am no longer an SDA is because I don’t think the teaching of the investigative judgment is biblical. Certainly don’t remember elevating angels as an Adventist and it was at an Adventist college that I first understood the true gospel of grace. Anyway, a lot of food for thought in this video, and I need to investigate further the statements these dear ladies are making.
Anyone who looks of the word *"Harlot"* in the concordance will quickly see that the "Harlot" is Israel and Jerusalem, the home of the Sabbath keepers, NOT the Church of Rome or the Catholic Church. Why does the SDA hide these things from the public? Purely, so, they can justify their Spirit of False Prophecy and Heresies. The Revelation of the Harlot - The proof that the Church of Rome never was nor will be the Harlot of Ellen G. White's Slanderous accusations of the Adventist Church and their false prophet. As well as their *"Spirit of False Prophecy"* in which they glory in their sins. Shocking News for the Adventists! *"THE HARLOT" of Revelation 17 & 18, it's NOT what you have BEEN TOLD!!* ruclips.net/video/fr5xc2n0f64/видео.html The Holy Spirit left in the text of scripture it's praise of the Church of Rome, indelibly engraved forever for the Christians. It also, had indelibly engraved forever, it is the Sabbath keepers of the Old Testament *who is the HARLOT* and *Who played the Harlot* , murdering the Old Testament Prophets and finally Christ Himself and then the Apostles. Isaiah 1:21 (KJV) 21 How is the faithful city *become an HARLOT!* it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; *but now murderers.* (It isn't the CHURCH OF ROME… It's Jerusalem) Jerusalem was the holy city of the Sabbath keepers, who despised, persecuted and murdered CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES) Christ himself says in Mt. 23:37 *O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, *how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!* 38 *Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.* It's not the Catholic Church, but JERUSALEM, of the Catholic Church, it is written: *"The God of Peace will crush Satan under the Church of Rome's feet"* Rom.16:20 *At NO time did the Christ, the Apostles or Apostolic Church EVER refer to the Church of Rome as a Harlot* Of course, the Adventist preach the exact opposite. ---------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Isaiah 23:16 (KJV) 16 Take an harp, go about the city, *YOU HARLOT* that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Jeremiah 2:20 (KJV) 20 For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, *PLAYING THE HARLOT* ---------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Jeremiah 3:1 (KJV) 1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? *BUT THOU HAST PLAYED THE HARLOT* with MANY lovers;* yet return again to me, saith the LORD. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Jeremiah 3:6 (KJV) 6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which BACKSLIDING OF ISREAL hath done? *SHE* is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and *THERE HAST PLAYED THE HARLOT* ---------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Jeremiah 3:8 (KJV) 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby BACKSLIDING ISRAEL COMMITTED ADULTERY, I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and *PLAYED THE HARLOT ALSO* . ----------------------------------------------------------------- 7. Ezekiel 16:15 (KJV) 15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and *PLAYED THE HARLOT* because of thy renown, and *POUREDST OUT THEY FORNICATIONS* on every one that passed by; his it was. Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, *that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication* ---------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Ezekiel 16:16 (KJV) 16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, *AND PLAYEDST THE HARLOT* thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Ezekiel 16:28 (KJV) 28 Thou hast *PLAYED THE WHORE*, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, *THOU HAST PLAYED THE HARLOT WITH THEM*, and yet couldest not be satisfied. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 10. Ezekiel 16:35 (KJV) 35 Wherefore, *O HARLOT* hear the word of the LORD: ----------------------------------------------------------------- 11. Ezekiel 16:41 (KJV) 41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from *PLAYING THE HARLOT*, and thou also shalt give no hire any more. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 12. Ezekiel 23:19 (KJV) 19 *Yet she multiplied her whoredoms* , in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had *PLAYED THE HARLOT* in the land of Egypt. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 13. Hosea 4:15 (KJV) 15 Though thou, *ISRAEL, PLAY THE HARLOT* , yet let not Judah offend; and come not ye unto Gilgal, neither go ye up to Bethaven, nor swear, The LORD liveth. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The culmination of Israel's Harlotry came with the murdering of Christ by the Sabbath Keepers in their self-righteous pretended holiness claiming to keep the law while they murdered the Messiah, Christ himself and the Apostles after them. Well said CHRIST TO THE SABBATH KEEPERS!!! Rev. 18: 4 BEGS, THE SABBATH KEEPERS TO COME OUT OF THE HARLOT (the old covenant) AND BECOME CHRISTIANS! Something, the Adventist's will never do! Wherefore, Christ said the following to the Sabbath Keepers: 23 :32 Fill ye up then THE MEASURE OF YOUR FATHERS, 23 :33 *Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell*? 23 :34 Wherefore, behold, *I send unto you prophets, and wise men* , and scribes: and *some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and. some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city* : (Rev. 17vs 6) [COMPARE WITH Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the *blood of prophets, and of saints* , and of all that were slain upon the earth. ] 23 :35 *That upon YOU may come ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON THE EARTH* ,from the BLOOD OF RIGHTEOUS ABEL unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. [COMPARE WITH Rev. 18:24 And in her was found *the blood of prophets, and of saints* , and *of all that were slain upon the earth.* And Rev. 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye *holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.* Revelation] *Jesus Christ himself in person and the Apostles themselves, couldn't get these hard hearted Sabbath Keepers to repent* ! Rev. 18: 4 BEGS, *THE SABBATH KEEPERS TO COME OUT OF THE HARLOT* (the old covenant) AND BECOME CHRISTIANS! Something, the Adventist's will never do! This is more than enough proof that Israel/ Jerusalem (home of the Sabbath keepers) *is the HARLOT OF REVELATION!*
The problem for the Adventists and their like is the fact that nowhere in the entire bible does the Sabbath is binding upon the entire world, or Gentiles or Christians. You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. *For those who want the scriptural evidence that Christians are NOT obligated whatsoever to keep the Sabbaths of the Jews or meat distinctions, here it is right before your very eyes!* And, in this Chapter we find the foundation for *The Council of Laodicea in AD 347 which is nothing more than a reiteration of the decrees of Acts 15 by the Apostles themselves.* and the Anathema from the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians who stupidly taught the same thing as the Adventists and the Armstrongs. > Acts 15 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the WHOLE church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 *Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:* 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, *who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.* Acts 15:28 *For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost (GOD ALMIGHTY) , and to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. • These are commandments from God Almighty to leave the Gentiles alone regarding any Jewish holyday, Sabbath, meat distinctions, tithing, or any other Jewish custom. • ACTS 21:25 *As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe NO such thing*, save ONLY that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. There are NO sabbaths, no Jewish holy days, no Jewish New Moons, no Jewish tithing and leave the Gentile Christians ALONE! You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. The Adventist are guilty of falsely speaking for God, making void the commandment from God to leave the Gentiles alone and creating, Jewish fable and traditions of men, not from God. And, deliberately putting a stumbling block in the way of being Christian. For them, it's all about a pretended Sabbath keeping to hide their own sins. The Sabbath is not required of Christians. The Fruits of the Spirit, which are by faith through the Grace of Jesus Christ are. See Gal.5:17-22 As Gal.5:22 "Against such there is no law!" Period, Christ commanded the entire world to obey the Church, not pick up corrupt bible translation and start their own Church. The Adventists and their like just want to throw a stumbling block in your way, and they don't keep the Sabbath either.
Don't believe in the IJ? Read this short explanation: First off, we have this verse: For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1Pet 4:17, NASB 77) That verse is the first hint. It is obvious that Judgement begins with Gods people first. Now that we have this bit of information, lets look and see what Daniel has to say about the "end of days". Just before the stone without hands smashes into the feet in Dan 2 causing the statue to be smashed into chaff and it (those kingdoms) blows away, then Gods kingdom is established: “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and [that] kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. “Inasmuch as you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.” (Dan 2:44-45, NASB 77) But what happens just before the stone made without hands comes? This corresponds to Daniel 7: 9, 10 - lets look: A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: *_the judgment was set, and the books were opened._* (Dan 7:10 KJV) Then what happens? “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and [men of every] language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed. (Dan 7:13-14, NASB 77) Voilla! There you go - _"The Judgement was set and books were opened"_ - AND THEN the Son of man came and established His kingdom. It is undeniable. There is a judgement that occurs prior to the Lords Return. THE BIBLE says so. Those who claim to be Christians will be judged first according to 1 Peter 4:17. We see that principle worked out in Daniel, and then Jesus returns.
William Miller was not a bad man, he just thought he had Christ’s returned figured out. He was “man enough” to admit he was wrong (unlike the Edson, Crozier, and the Whites). He didn’t start Adventism; and for what it’s worth, I don’t hold him responsible in the least for what has become a bonafide cult.
I'm at 12:00 So, is it customary to just have people making accusations after accusations against someone without citing evidence of any kind and it's just accepted on the recognition of their sterling character? Some of these accusations are very serious. It would be nice to at least know where they are getting this information and what was the reasoning behind it.
The most surprising revelation about this episode was simply realizing how little Adventists read the Bible, and when they actually read it, Adventism no longer made sense. Though there are people in wayward “Christian” churches that are hardly seeing or hearing the word in their Sunday services or personal life. (Think Glory of Zion, Bethel, and their ilk.) Totally OT, but it would be epic to have a series where a former Mormon, a former JW, and a former Adventist all sit down for a discussion on your podcast. Or even current members, though getting current members to come on might be super difficult and messy.
Coleen, can you please provide the reference for the statement Ellen White made regarding tying children’s hands to their bed to keep them from masturbating? I have searched for this reference and I cannot find it anywhere. Is this something you have personally read, or is it something that you have heard others repeat? Please verify your source of information regarding this statement.
52:40-52:55, this statement by Coleen is incorrect. “With what firmness and power he uttered these words. The Jews has never before heard such words from human lips, and a converting influence attended them; for it seemed that divinity flashed through humanity as Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." The words of Christ were full of deep meaning as he put forth the claim that he and the Father were of one substance, possessing the same attributes. The Jews understood his meaning, there was no reason why they should misunderstand, and they took up stones to stone him.” - E. G. White, "The True Sheep Respond to the Voice of the Shepherd," The Signs of the Times, XX (November 27, 1893), 54.
I remember being 6 years old in the SDA church and one day they called up all the children to the front for story time. This is where I first heard about Ellen White. Even as a kid I wondered why they left in the part about her getting hit with a rock.
I'm going to say again, I wished this was handled differently. I don't have a challenge with people disagreeing with what Seventh-day Adventists believe. But this is just beyond absurd. See you in part 3 👍🏾
These women GET PAID to rant hatred about Adventists, they work for heretic Dale Ratzlaff's Life Assurance Ministries. He founded the LAM church after he was FORCED TO RESIGN as an Adventist pastor for causing trouble, and this is his way of making MONEY by selling his flawed books and promoting his equally flawed Proclamation magazine that Colleen is paid as editor. Colleen admitted to LAM readers that she was fired by the SDAs for something she did that was VERY BAD as an Adventist high school teacher. So now she wastes her life attacking Adventism. Same with her husband and Nikki, PAID to attack with confused ideas.
29:42 Thanks so much for highlighting that Sis White said that the worst persecutors of the SDA movement will be former Adventist who have left the faith. I've been thinking about that the whole time since this series began last week.🙂
Nah that’s just typical cult speak to scare people to stay in the group. It’s classic it happens at Waco and TheJones Town cult, heavens gate etc. there is no mention in the Bible of a remnant church, but it does mention remnant people. The church in the Bible is not a denomination but the people
@@joey6838 So when Christians leave the faith and apostatize would it be ok to tell them they are lost and will be going to hell or is that cult speak?
@@lincolnliking your mixing the faith and church, and you have highlighted the cultishness of the sda church to leave is to be apostate who are you to judge someone who leaves adventism? And in regards to them being lost that’s what this ministry is about seeking the lost in adventism and btw where in the Bible does it say we should judge other Christian’s as to whether they are in the faith or not?
@@lincolnliking I've been told this many times by SDA's, family and friends. We put a "theological gun" to our heads and pulled the trigger when we left the Adventist church over doctrinal differences. Was it because we renounced Christ and his work on the cross? No. It was because we left the "Remnant Church of Bible prophecy", the one true church that had it all right. By turning our backs on the Remnant church, and with it, belief in the "Spirit of Prophecy" and Sabbath-keeping, we were lost. That was 17 years ago and to them we're still lost. Yes, that's straight up "cult speak".
@@joey6838 NO WHERE is Scriptures does it say Adventists, who believe in being Commandment-keeping people, will be "lost" simply because some radicals hate them, like they hated the early Christians and persecuted them. And remember, the Jews hatred and murdered many of their prophets, so this is NOTHING NEW.
Is there a video where you show the counterpart of an actual SDA theologian that can talk about these disputes these woman brought forth. Looking at both sides of the coin is beneficial
Thank you for this part 2 as well as part 1 regarding the SDA & Ellen White! I would be interested in hearing about the DATES of Ellen's prophecies of the Lord's return, other than 1845 & 1856. As a researcher & an outsider, I like to include scriptures that stand against ANY FALSE PROPHETS FROM THE PAST & NOW IN THE PRESENT. From what I've heard & read so far it's easy to see that Ellen was indeed a FALSE PROPHET...SHE MAY HAVE ALSO HAD BRAIN DAMAGE EARLY ON, but continued to 'play her role' in spite of her problems, HARMING MANY SOULS who were hungry for the Lord but were looking to this woman instead of looking to the Lord. PRAISE GOD FOR HE SO MERCIFUL & RESCUES THOSE WHO ARE OPEN TO THE TRUTH. I see this today w/ the SDA & many other cults that are exposed on the CULTS TO CONSCIOUSNESS CHANNEL & OTHER CHANNELS, AS WELL as LEADERS exploiting the flock b/c of their position & power in Christianity!!! I would love to see the two of you on the channel CULTS TO CONSCIOUSNESS...if you haven't checked that out, please do! DT. 18:20--20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” (signifying the seriousness of the offense) EZEKIEL 13:3-9---3 Thus says the Lord God, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets have been like jackals among ruins, O Israel. 5 You have not gone up into the breaches, or built up a wall for the house of Israel, that it might stand in battle in the day of the Lord. 6 They have seen false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘Declares the Lord,’ when the Lord has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfill their word. 7 Have you not seen a false vision and uttered a lying divination, whenever you have said, ‘Declares the Lord,’ although I have not spoken?” JEREMIAH 14:14---14 Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds. JEREMIAH 23:16---16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. MAT. 24:24---24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 2 TIM. 4:3-4---3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. TITUS 3:10 - A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; 2 JOHN 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, ..2 PETER 2:21-22--- It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”2 Peter 2:1-3 (NKJV) “But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time THEIR JUDGMENT has not been idle, and THEIR DESTRUCTION does not slumber. 1 JOHN 4:1---1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
31:00 So hold up, hold up, hold up. You're telling me that only Adventists believe that the government will persecute believers in the last days? You sure no other church teaches that? You sure? 🤔
@@mimiwest3256 the Lord’s day is the Sabbath. Christ’s day is the Sabbath. Prove me wrong. You dishonor the Sabbath you dishonor Christ. What is sin? Give me a definition.
24:56 Seventh day Adventist do not believe that simply going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast though. But we do believe a law will be passed to enforce Sunday worship.
Again you are wrong We have found the seal of God connected with his law, and in the third Angel’s message the worship and mark of the beast are put in contrast with the commandments of God and faith of Jesus; consequently they are in direct opposition;-the worship of the best is in opposition to the commandments and the faith in general, and the mark of that power stands opposed to the sign of God in particular. It is well known that the Roman church has not only corrupted the commandments of God, so as to allow of bowing down to images, but that she has changed and corrupted the institutions of the gospel-baptism and the Lord’s supper. To follow her in these corruptions is, at least to them that know the truth, a part of the worship of the beast. But the mark of the beast is not any one or all of these things, but a single, definite institution, opposed to the sign of God, which is a sign of his authority to make all these changes and corruptions of the word of God. It must therefore be a counterfeit Sabbath, instituted as a rival to the Sabbath of the Lord our God. Has the self-styled Catholic church given us such sign of her power? She has. Read carefully the following from the “Abridgment of Christian Doctrine,” a Catholic catechism of the first authority, from which I have already quoted:
Wonder if you’d have the guy from Bible Flock Box or some one else who is well versed in SDA beliefs on to answer the allegations the ladies have made. Would be more fair to hear two sides of the issues. To be honest, even though I am no longer an SDA, some of the allegations seem to be ad hominem or petty rather than substantive.
@33:30 - I think another reason that Adventists, although they slander evangelical Christianity, are so desirous to be classified as evangelical Christians is two-fold, 1) to remove the label of "cult" from their "denomination", and 2) to try to continue in their goals of sheep stealing as the Millerite movement did - getting right into "Babylon" and converting people to Adventism before the "great time of trouble".
Why are you still promoting Higher Bond?! As I said on your first video on this topic, they have SDA listed as a denomination! Why do I even bother being online? Nobody listens to me. It's like I'm entirely invisible. Yesica1993 Yesica1993 7 days ago Not only is it weird to see a dating site promoted here, but to see this on an episode featuring 7th Day Adventism. They call it a "denomination." "Anyone is welcome to use Higher Bond! That being said, some of the more popular denominations include: Anglican/Episcopal Assemblies of God Baptist Catholic Congregational/Continental Lutheran Mennonite/Anabaptist Messianic Methodist Non-Denominational Orthodox Other Pentecostal Presbyterian Protestant Seventh-Day Adventist"
To my surprise, I discovered some SDA books among our (baptist) church's children's books. After being able to articulate the grievous sda doctrinal errors, our pastor immediately instructed me to take them to the dumpster.
@YAJUN YUAN In the 1884 edition of The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan (Chapter 18 - “The Sanctuary”) one reads the following words, "When Christ, by virtue of his own blood, removes the sins of his people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of his ministration, he will place them upon Satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty. " Christ alone already fully bore the sins of his people, [in the wilderness] outside the gates.
@@randall2762 Yes, that’s a central part of the investigative judgement. In fact Satan takes away all the sins as the goat that is led away. That is the biggest heresy - making Satan the ultimate sin bearer.
@YAJUN YUAN From my studies (limited compared to yours): Torah[edit] Mount Azazel (Jabel Munttar) in the Judean Desert Cliffs of Mount Azazel (Jabel Munttar) In the Hebrew Bible, the term is used three times in Leviticus 16, where two male goats were to be sacrificed to Yahweh and one of the two was selected by lot, for Yahweh is seen as speaking through the lots.[1] One goat is selected by lot and sent into the wilderness לַעֲזָאזֵל, "for Azazel". This goat was then cast out in the desert as part of Yom Kippur. The scapegoat ritual can be traced back to 24th century BC Ebla, from where it spread throughout the ancient Near East.[2][3] In older English versions, such as the King James Version, the phrase la-azazel is translated as "as a scapegoat"; however, in most modern English Bible translations, it is represented as a name in the text: Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering for himself, and shall make atonement for himself and for his house. He shall take the two goats and set them before the Lord at the entrance of the tent of meeting; and Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Azazel. Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord, and offer it as a sin offering; but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel. - Leviticus 16:6-10, New Revised Standard Version
My god. I was brought up an SDA in the sixties and seventies in Australia and my experience of pathfinders was nothing like yours! Photos of kids with guns pointing at their heads as they play act running from the government? Come on! That is shocking. The people in Australia i was brought up with were more ordinary and more rational than that. Apart from a few people in our church with eccentric beliefs - which struck me as very old fashioned and literal - we were not scared of the government and never thought they would kill us for sabbath keeping! The investigative judgment stuff was totally peripheral. As a teenager i always thought Ellen White was archaic and a poor writer. She had little to offer me. And God had a body? Oh, maybe my dad told me that when i was about 5, but i got over that pretty quickly. My parents had been members of other religions and they were relatively liberal in their approach. Also, why does the younger woman keep referring to SDAs as opposed to "Christians"? I have never thought SDAs were anything other than Christian. And then the Christian music stuff, as though the musicians she mentions have an access to a higher knowledge and understanding than anyone else. Yeah, some musicians are cool, but after you're about 25, don't you get over that susceptibility to charisma? Dont you become educated about religious experience and philosophy and psychology and the rest of the world? Most of the world is not SDA, and most of the world is not Christian. And many Christians are not into beliefs much anyway, they just tolerate the odder beliefs because they want to belong to a church. The older woman is right about cognitive dissonance being common in the church. It's common everywhere there is an ideology. I left the church in the late 70s when i was 18. I became an Anglican for a few years. I lost my Christian faith but i continued to educate myself. I am not a Christian, although i like certain aspects of it such as the richness and beauty of the old testament language and stories. I am a Buddhist more than anything, and have an interfaith orientation.
@@rebeccagable9629 That is your response. Wow. I can easily prove to you that they give many times a false report about adventism. If you deny our doctrines is one thing, but to give false historic reports and let things appear in a bad light is another thing which they need to give account on the day of judgment. I truly feel sorry, that you believe these two ladies, instead to prove for yourself - you should know better.
This is nothing but 2 women gossiping and slandering people who have more character in their little finger than they have in their whole body. Jealous gossips is all it is. But again I don’t understand what Salvation saves you from if you are of their Christian persuasion. From sin? What is sin then? All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Sin is breaking the law. What law? The Ten Commandments except the one that says remember, forget that one. EGW ate oysters. Really! Tying children to beds. Proof? These are bizarre allegations. No references mentioned. Seems like they’re just slinging mud hoping something sticks. They can say whatever they want these people are dead and they can’t defend themselves 😢. Vicious character attacks are hard to defend against. There is a reason people are innocent until proven guilty. It’s very easy to take quotes out of context for someone who’s written so much, but they didn’t bother to quote anything.
Apparently oysters were a popular food in the late 1800s. A quick goggle search lets you know this fact. Currently oysters are more of a decadent food item, but then it was commonly eaten. EGW at the time did not have a full understanding of clean and unclean and unhealthy food. They make it sound scandalous.
As someone who was an Aventist for my first fourteen years, I found it interesting to hear many ways that their theology differs from mainstream Christianity that I have been unaware of. However, the statement that Ellen White could not have been saved because of poor theology is in my mind also poor theology. I have no idea if she was or wasn't saved, but I don't think her poor Christology can be used to declare she wasn't.
I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision-the precious rays of light shining from the throne.-Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 67. As soon as I take my pen in hand I am not in darkness as to what to write. It is as plain and clear as a voice speaking to me, “I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go.” “In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct [make plain] thy paths.”-Manuscript 89, 1900. She is clearly saying ALL OF HER WORDS are from God
@@lincolnliking Except she did lol. Someone above shared the sources. The Adventist church believes she was inspired no differently than that of the Biblical authors. To make this fit, they affirm "thought inspiration". They have entire theories around this to make Ellen work. But keep your head buried in the sand.
Can someone answer why there are so many different Christian denominations with different theology that believe in the Holy Spirit. Isn't that the reason the Holy Spirit sends prophets and prophets correct the churchs errors. Isn't sin defined in the Bible as transgression of the law. The Bible I believe in the book of James if you break one of the laws, you are guilty of breaking all of the law. So if we dont have to keep the ten commandments, it's ok to have graven images and pray to the images like the Catholic faith
My daughter went to a christian event where sda were a part of. She came home saying they believe everything we do - she went through sin, Jesus death on the cross, resurrection, trinity, belief only not works, hell, heaven, everything. They denied EGW teaching as being before scripture. That the only minor difference is that they worship on Saturday and she on Sunday. My daughter was totally taken in by this, i tried to warn her that it's a cult but she said all you have to do is believe on Jesus and you will be saved. How can one argue that?
@@charity2275 It's not about hatred. It's about very unbiblical teachings and doctrines. SDA's have a very strong persecution complex. Anyone who disagrees with them is accused of hating them. That's just not the case.
@@mimiwest3256 WRONG. It is about hatred. As an Adventist since 1954, I have NEVER suffered a "very strong persecution complex." That's just STUPID. We are aware, thanks to the Bible and Ellen White what to expect in the Last Days before Jesus returns and for that we are GRATEFUL, because there is so much fake news out there in the media and spread by haters of Adventism. God is good to warn His people like He said he would. ALL of our doctrines are found in MY Bible! So to say they aren't biblical is nonsense. And I know what the mystery is about, soon to be revealed in depth in the book I am writing that will PROVE the critics are 100% wrong. And so is anyone foolish enough to believe their rants.
@@charity2275 Well, you just proved my point! UPDATE: Looks like @charity2275 removed her post that I responded to saying that she "proved my point". 🤔
@@charity2275 Let's see if he responds to this video like he did to the video How Should Evangelicals View Seventh-Day Adventism? When it came to the subject matter of Ellen White, even though he tried to play down her role in the church by categorically denying it, he was clearly annoyed.What me laugh was that at the end of the video,he contradicted himself by gloryfiying her writings.
My ex-wife claims this denomination. Our daughter has been in private Adventist Christian school for 11 years now. She knows nothing of the history of the Adventist Church. Or their prophet. It's not talked about as openly as you might think.
@@jaco7675 More untruths. What beliefs do Adventists hide? Should we jump up in funerals at churches when people say that their loved ones are in heaven looking down and smiling when we know that to be false, or do we consider their hearts and wait for a day when its more appropriate? Do we tell an alcoholic to obey the Lord and about the Sabbath before he is introduced to Jesus? What about Revelation seminars, should we tell people that the Papal power is the beast before they know about Jesus love for them? You are a prime example. We dont try to alienate people who have been indoctrinated with so many lies that it is a part of their self image. We are careful with peoples minds and hearts. You always have the option - the freedom - to reject anything you wish, even the truth. But we handle new people with gloves to that point. Then, they can make their own decision. You made a very harsh judgement. This is not Christian. You make it sound like we are evil liars looking to deceive. That, in its simplest form, is character assassination. It is equated to murder in the Bible.
Ellen G White and the Adventists teach and preach that , the Apostles all worked together to teach the entire world to become members of the Great Harlot. *And, that even in 90AD the Apostle John was commanding and begging people to leave the very Church the Apostle John and all the other Apostles belonged to.*
Has anyone seen Mentally Challenge boys,Youth,Men or women in the sda church Worshiping GOD ? they are right there,loved and cared by adventist,accepted and welcome.
Don't forget...."And" required as official SDA members to accept the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH which was MANIFESTED through Ellen G White's writings.. Vow#8 and fundamental belief #18
@@nicetry620 Yes believe Ellen White was a prophet .and anyone who wants to get baptized and be a sda member is not forced to accept that.they do it willingly and freely.so what?
@@joey6838 The goal wasn't to entertain so my comments might actually be boring. I'm just watching the video and commenting as I go on what I'm hearing. Is that a problem?
@@lincolnliking again you spout adventism with ignorance. So your comments are boring all Adventists who comment on these types of videos are boring because they say the same thing. Everything you are saying has been said before and disputed. You haven’t come on here to learn but to criticize and make out you know better. Come back when you’ve actually studied the real bible
That because she was sickly, she only went to school through the 3rd grade. Are you really listening to this? Because that's what was said pretty clearly.
Beware of this troll account ⚠️👆 Dr G... who in a pattern of comments throughout the entire discussion section, making claims yet unable to produce evidence with real OFFICIAL sources and not his baseless opinions
early adventist were not clear on the trinity, because their understanding was developing. They all came from different backgrounds. Ellen White in the 1890's clearly spoke in favor of the godhead. These two ladies give not the full story what Adventist believe on it. They are misguiding people about Adventism.
35:25 Not even going to get into this quible over Justification by faith or righteous by faith. But you bring up an important point re Morris and Lee Venden. Both highly regarded Adventist Pastors who championed righteousness by faith. And, according to Morris Venden, where did he actually grasp clearest the view of righteousness by faith? A little book called Steps to Christ which he credits for radically transforming his Christian experience for the better. I wonder who wrote that?
It’s no small difference between “righteousness by faith” and “justification by faith”. It’s far from simply a “quibble”. In Adventism, righteousness is IMPARTED to you. You avail yourself to the “grace” of God who gives you the power to actually BE righteous…BY FAITH, but actually BE righteous you must. When Christians speak of “justification” it’s a legal declaration. A declaration that you are positionally righteous before a holy God, that is claimed by having faith in, or putting your trust in what Jesus Christ accomplished for us one afternoon in history. Christ's righteousness is IMPUTED to you or credited to your account and all that's needed to receive the gift is to recognize our sinfulness which offends the holiness of a perfectly righteous God, repent of it, and put our trust in Christ's substitutionary death in our place. Period. No works needed. No pouring over of our life history is needed in the “heavenly sanctuary” for hundreds of years to see if we deserve the “benefits of the atonement” and prove the “watching universe” that God is fair, as if God can be put on trial by finite, sinful beings. We need IMPUTED righteousness to save us rather than IMPARTED righteousness because, even as born again, forgiven Christians we still live in a fallen world and we still struggle sin. Our ONLY hope before a truly holy God, who owes us nothing other than punishment, is to point to Christ alone as the reason for our salvation and say, “I’m with Him.” These aren’t small, semantic differences here at all.
@@Cainky Seventh day Adventists believe in Justification by faith. See fundamental beliefs number 10. So I'm not going to argue over it. We know what we believe even if you don't.
@@lincolnliking Nothing in the wording of that FB negates the Adventist belief in imparted righteousness. You can read all about the impartation of righteousness in the "SDA's believe..." book that they reference. I read it for one of my SDA college courses. If justification means what you say, then there is zero reason for an investigation of the lives of PROFESSED CHRISTIANS to see if they are "worthy of the benefits of the atonement." If you're justified, declared righteous, this would be useless theater. Anyone who grew up in the church, went through SDA schools from first grade through two undergraduate degrees and a masters degree knows what the church teaches. Personally, I grew up in the center of Adventism in the LSU/LLU area attending both liberal and traditional churches and lived as an Adventist in the Midwest at Andrews and in the South. There are differences in them to be sure, but NONE of them believe that you are saved simply by trusting in Christ's finished work on the cross.
The problem for the Adventists and their like is the fact that nowhere in the entire bible does the Sabbath is binding upon the entire world, or Gentiles or Christians. You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. *For those who want the scriptural evidence that Christians are NOT obligated whatsoever to keep the Sabbaths of the Jews or meat distinctions, here it is right before your very eyes!* And, in this Chapter we find the foundation for *The Council of Laodicea in AD 347 which is nothing more than a reiteration of the decrees of Acts 15 by the Apostles themselves.* and the Anathema from the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians who stupidly taught the same thing as the Adventists and the Armstrongs. > Acts 15 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the WHOLE church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 *Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:* 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, *who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.* Acts 15:28 *For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost (GOD ALMIGHTY) , and to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. • These are commandments from God Almighty to leave the Gentiles alone regarding any Jewish holyday, Sabbath, meat distinctions, tithing, or any other Jewish custom. • ACTS 21:25 *As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe NO such thing*, save ONLY that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. There are NO sabbaths, no Jewish holy days, no Jewish New Moons, no Jewish tithing and leave the Gentile Christians ALONE! You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. The Adventist are guilty of falsely speaking for God, making void the commandment from God to leave the Gentiles alone and creating, Jewish fable and traditions of men, not from God. And, deliberately putting a stumbling block in the way of being Christian. For them, it's all about a pretended Sabbath keeping to hide their own sins. The Sabbath is not required of Christians. The Fruits of the Spirit, which are by faith through the Grace of Jesus Christ are. See Gal.5:17-22 As Gal.5:22 "Against such there is no law!" Period, Christ commanded the entire world to obey the Church, not pick up corrupt bible translation and start their own Church. The Adventists and their like just want to throw a stumbling block in your way, and they don't keep the Sabbath either.
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@YAJUN YUAN what’s the difference?
There is significant overlap - a cult is a sect. Most sects are cultish and centered around a thing, idol or in most case a false prophet.
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The SDA church tricks people all the time. The Revelation seminars that are advertised by brochures never mention SDA. The first several lessons of the seminar aren’t held in an SDA churc.
It’s about the 6th to 8 lesson before the presenter says that they are SDA and then the Seminar moves to an SDA church. Adventists have been doing this for decades.
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You’ve made my point for me.
@YAJUN YUAN
That’s not true here in the NAD. You must be in some other part of the world.
I was raised SDA lucky for me I had some good friends in high school and college who were Bible believing Christians and helped me discover the Jesus of the Bible. Thank you for these videos
Colleen Tinker here-Thanks, Cultish, for having us on your podcast. I hope this conversation will be helpful in showing what Adventism really is and how it's different from Christianity!
As I pondered the Adventist Church and their teachings, I found it interesting that the end result of Adventist teaching is that they believe
1. The prophet Daniel prophesied Christ would build a great false Church.
2. That Christ and *the Apostles founded the great false church*.
3. Christ would give his body the Church over to Satan in a mere 2 1/2 centuries.
4. And, the Apostles all worked together to teach the entire world to become members of the Great Harlot. *And, that even in 90AD the Apostle John was commanding and begging people to leave the very Church the Apostle John and all the other Apostles belonged to.*
5. And the Church Ellen G. White and the Adventists built to be "The Saints" While the one Christ and the Apostles built would become Satan's Church. No, we have more than a disagreement. This we know, Christ was not Adventist, His Apostles were not Adventist's, and the Apostolic Churches were not Adventist's either. Moreover, neither did Christ, the Apostles or the Prophets teach certain days were Pagan.
The end of the matter is that Adventists abuse the bible to justify the fact they despise authority.
I just wanted to come on here and say both of your mini testimonies made me tear up. I am 3rd generation sda, on both sides of my family. I myself attended academy and all 12 years at Adventist schools. My great uncle was president of the European union back in the 80's. Despite growing up in this culture, I always questioned EGW, I just felt something was off. After graduating, I started studying for myself. That was 30 years ago. Anyways, my heart hurts for loved ones still in the church, I just wish I could get them to see. But I wanted to say thank you to both of you, and the work you are doing.
@@chucksmith4624Excellent points!
@@lamontfaulkner5090 Thank you
Thank you for your timely testimony. I had just started re-listening to Doug Batchelor when your testimony came up. I am now convinced that SDA is heretical.
HEY this is a great "mini convention" you Ladies are a great gift with your studies and insights..
I was raised in the SDA church and from a very early age, I felt I could not reconcile some of the doctrines of the church and through the ensuing years, felt increasingly uncomfortable about those teachings but as a child and then a youth, I dared not challenge my parents and the church, but thank God, something happened that caused me to set aside the writings of Ellen White and read the Bible without the “support” of her writings and I can testify that I have never felt closer to God. There is something fundamentally wrong with the writings of White and I am more confident now than ever before, that her books are designed to mislead. Folks, please study your Bible and with the help of the Holy Spirit, you will be so well educated in the Holy Word and be drawn closer to Christ. 🙏🙏🙏
I have found just the opposite to be true. Her writings never took the place of the Bible.
I grew up for a short time; age 9 -16 in the SDA church after my born again Christian father married my SM. So much of this is so familiar and am beginning to understand why I was treated so poorly as a child. In the last episode there was discussion of how SDAs believe they only understand the Bible through EW’s interpretation. That brought flashbacks to when I was about 12 and was in my room, I had decided I was going to read the Bible myself. My SM walked in and asked what I was doing, tersely, and I said reading my Bible. She told me not to bother cause I would never understand it myself. It stopped my dead in my tracks and I have really struggled with being able to sit and read it even to this day. It is something that stuck in my brain. At the time I thought it was that I personally wouldn’t be able to, but now understand it was that she believes no one can without EW. I stopped attending at 16. My father would attend church with her but never really became part of the church or followed all their rules, but 3 years ago dove head first and became a member and it has really changed him and I am very unhappy about it. Fortunately I have recently strengthened my faith and have been able to push back when he tells me things like I can lose my salvation if I am not constantly confessing my sins. I wish he could see these videos.
Saying a prayer that the Bible will become desirable for you to read again. I struggled with this for years, even as a youth being raised in a Christian home.
That's awfully reminiscent of what led to the reformation in the first place.
Keep praying for him and for the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth of Christ.
Terri, I'm sorry you had a bad experience with SDAs, but the doctrines they hold are all biblical.
What are you crying about?
Listening to this podcast I understand why my SDA friend is always operating in panic mode. She is constantly telling me how terrified she is of the Sunday Law and she hopes she's strong enough to endure and keep the true Sabbath. She is always telling me how everyone who worships on Sunday will take the mark of the beast yet she gets paid to play the piano in a Methodist Church on Sunday. Her justification for that is she's only playing music.
I pray that she hears and receives the real Gospel.
@@jobrown8146 thank you that's my prayer too. She's a sweet woman and one of my dearest friends but the more I learn about Seventh-Day adventism the more my heart breaks.
@@rgj7162 You should show her this podcast and then you two should talk about it.
@@lincolnlikingthat is an excellent idea thank you!
The Sunday Law has always been the ultimate boogeyman in Adventist thought, and any crisis can and will be used to spur Adventists that this may be the time. Here are just a few events from the past 20 years that were alleged by many that mandatory Sunday keeping was about to happen: Any new pope, Clinton, Y2K, 911, Invasion of Iraq, 07/08 financial crisis, Obama, possibly Ben Carson if elected, Biden, climate laws, COVID, and then COVID vaccine. It's always just around the corner.
This is why many Adventists are so conspiratorial and feed on teachers such as Veith and Bachelor because these teachers are always giving "pope alerts" and "prophecy alerts". They have perfected how to press the fear button in the Adventist heart to keep them transfixed.
WHOA. As a nurse, I have worked for an Adventist clinic in the past, and currently live in Walla Walla, WA where SDA Walla Walla University is located. I have had somewhat superficial dialogues with Adventists, where it SEEMED like we were similar in our beliefs on the main salvation principles. I’ve looked into some apologetics, because I always had an uneasy feeling that something was off, but couldn’t really get handle on definitive differences theologically. I had no idea we are so far apart!! This series is amazing, and I’m feeling much more prepared for the next discussion. 😊
I was in Pathfinders for years, can't believe they mentioned it! Thank you so much for covering SDA.
Same here, I think I still have my badges sonewhere
Did your experience fit what was described?
@@SolaScriptura21
Please listen to an audio message called "THE SHAKING" by E.G. White
@@MountCarmel007 Good luck with that!
This is such a sloppy interview/presentation. I would appreciate some sources for all your claims. I also believe something is seriously not right about SDA doctrine, but how am I supposed to verify anything these ladies are saying if they are just saying them without citing their sources? I'm not interested in claims about what Ellen White wrote. I want to READ the excerpts for myself. But without book references, page numbers, etc. for some of the most disturbing claims put forth in this video, how am I supposed to confirm the reliability of anything. It just comes across as gossip.
If I can help, do you have one or two examples of important points without cited sources?
@@AcademyApologia That EGW would "destroy" people who didn't agree with her "visions" or who "threatened her financially"; that she advised parents to tie children to their beds to prevent them from touching themselves; all the comments from the 11:34 mark onward about her supposed marital restrictions. Those are some heavy bizarre accusations, and the least the folks in this video could do is provide sources.
And for the record, I'm not defending EGW, as I find her writings pretty insane in their own right, but I also believe if you're gonna come at someone, you'd better have receipts. The more I watched the video, the more claims I heard without any actual evidence presented. In what book at least, does EGW make the above statements. Could we get a quote. I just found this whole exchange extremely lazy.
@@axiomsandthings9213 I do not have in my list of quotes the ones you are seeking. But as think about them and talk to others, I can ask and return if anything is discovered.
Who defines who is a Christian ànd who is not? On what authority?
This is just Rome talking.
When I left-a family member told me that when Jesus returns he will say to me, “depart from me,I never knew you.” Because I left “the truth”. I was living in sin as an SDA and no one batted an eye. Now that I am a “Sunday keeper”, I’m the outcast.
I'm sorry about that, unfortunately that isn't a surprise..BUT the important thing is to keep your focus on Jesus. You've born again, right? If so, your a child of God part of the body of Christ. Jesus is our everything all we need.
Jesus knowing that the Sabbath keepers *would always persecute, revile and speak all manner of evil against his disciples* consoled them after this manner: Mt. 5:11 *Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely* , for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: *for so persecuted THEY (the Sabbath keepers) the prophets which were before you.*
The Sabbath keepers have a long history of persecuting and speaking all manner of evil against Christians falsely.
Then, Christ well said to the Sabbath keepers in Mt. 23 :34 Wherefore, behold, *I send unto YOU prophets, and wise men* , and scribes: and *some of them YOU shall kill and crucify; and. some of them shall YOU scourge in *your* synagogues, and *persecute them from city to city* : (Rev. 17vs 6, Rev. 18:24)
Now Compare Rev. 18:24 And in HER was found *the blood of prophets, and of saints* , and *of all that were slain upon the earth.* (Compare MT. 23:35 above) ….. Christ explicitly agrees with Rev.18, that the Old Covenant Sabbath keepers are the Harlot of Revelation 18!
Par for the course. But don't be angry at them. Pray for them. They've more than likely been indoctrinated and truly believe it. My Adventist family is the same way.
@@answeringadventism I’m no more angry than Christ in Matthew 23 with the Sabbath keepers 😂😂
@@chucksmith4624 most Adventists are well meaning people who have simply fallen prey to bad theology. Being angry at them doesn't really do any good. They need the Lord to remove the blinders off of their eyes.
I'm an atheist. Former Adventist. Great podcast.
Part one and I’ll part two both have been enlightening to me. I am a seeker of truth. I got pulled off into seventh Adventism, after many years of serving and various churches where I was employed as a musician. my roots were from Grand Rapids Baptist Bible College in Michigan had a solid base and now here I am in the SDA Church and wondering what I’m doing there and how I get myself out there serving musician and very involved in that area so it’s difficult to just not show upanymore.
So please keep it coming I’m listening I’m learning and I’m realizing even before hearing this broadcast that there was something just not right and I may comments and of course they just circle around it and I feel like as I am stupid and just don’t get it and they all do and they’re also smart and I’m dumb
I come from Amish heritage. Amish leaders also say the members do not know enough to read scriptures on their own. Any church that does not encourage their members to read scriptures on their own, without church interpretation, is a dangerous church. I wish you would explore the Amish. There is a group called something like Mission to Amish People that are ex-Amish ministering to their people. They would be a valuable source of information.
I was raised 7th Day Adventist but thank God I was delivered from that.
I didn't hear the gospel until I was 29 years old. I knew there was a "creep" factor in how Ms. White was propounded and I just could not accept the hypocrisy of the whole system as it was presented.
Likewise. Raised SDA, father is an SDA pastor, educated in their institutions, etc. Never once heard the true Gospel until I was an adult in university. Hit me like a freight train.
I look forward to part 3!
Great show 👏 it's amazing the over lap of JW, LDS, and SDAs beginnings and beliefs.
Sue, Satan tries to make his counterfeits look like the genuine. SDAs hold to genuine, biblical truths.
You do realize that the "spirits" that Ellen G. White was communing with were demons right? Same as Joseph Smith and his angel Moroni, another demon. Satan can take the form of an angel of light to fool the mentally weak and lure them from Christ. @@statutesofthelord
Being so scared of deception. I felt that as well!
So we read just the Bible, and that was the end of Adventism! Best mic drop!
I read the entire Bible with Graham Maxwell on tape and online many times. That was the beginning of Adventism full understanding and trusting Jesus as great physician who can heal all the damage done by sin.
@@dr.g1482 Graham Maxwell deceived many people.
Hannah, what part of the Bible did you think was contrary to SDA teaching?
@@statutesofthelord ??
@@statutesofthelord The problem for the Adventists and their like is the fact that nowhere in the entire bible does the Sabbath is binding upon the entire world, or Gentiles or Christians. You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. *For those who want the scriptural evidence that Christians are NOT obligated whatsoever to keep the Sabbaths of the Jews or meat distinctions, here it is right before your very eyes!* And, in this Chapter we find the foundation for *The Council of Laodicea in AD 347 which is nothing more than a reiteration of the decrees of Acts 15 by the Apostles themselves.* and the Anathema from the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians who stupidly taught the same thing as the Adventists and the Armstrongs. >
Acts 15
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the WHOLE church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 *Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:*
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, *who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.*
Acts 15:28 *For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost (GOD ALMIGHTY) , and to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
• These are commandments from God Almighty to leave the Gentiles alone regarding any Jewish holyday, Sabbath, meat distinctions, tithing, or any other Jewish custom.
• ACTS 21:25 *As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe NO such thing*, save ONLY that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
There are NO sabbaths, no Jewish holy days, no Jewish New Moons, no Jewish tithing and leave the Gentile Christians ALONE!
You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. The Adventist are guilty of falsely speaking for God, making void the commandment from God to leave the Gentiles alone and creating, Jewish fable and traditions of men, not from God. And, deliberately putting a stumbling block in the way of being Christian. For them, it's all about a pretended Sabbath keeping to hide their own sins.
The Sabbath is not required of Christians. The Fruits of the Spirit, which are by faith through the Grace of Jesus Christ are. See Gal.5:17-22 As Gal.5:22 "Against such there is no law!" Period,
Christ commanded the entire world to obey the Church, not pick up corrupt bible translation and start their own Church. The Adventists and their like just want to throw a stumbling block in your way, and they don't keep the Sabbath either.
I was also under the impression that we all have an assigned guardian Angel. Yes, also so much angel talk.
we do all have a gaurdian angel. it is in the bible
Just want to thank you. My knowledge before this was SDA observed the Sabbath and ate vegetables. Cool, God bless them, I'm not that legalistic...wowever, my eyes have been opened as I've read through their 28 Beliefs and listening to your videos helps open it up even more. Keep up the good work guys (and ladies!).
Will you say Jesus is a legalist did he teach the obligation to the Sacred Holy Law ?
My SDA wife is always talking about “the Sunday Law”. When it’s passed, I’ll be fair, and give her a 5 minute head start. lol
You should do. Better you listen now.
@@timohoffmann1888 Proofread. I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
@@jaco7675 I am sorry. What I mean is, that I would encourage you to study prayerfully with your wife. I trust she loves you very much and wants you to understand the mark of the beast correctly. I am SDA too, and what I can tell you with truly all of my heart is, that what these two ladies present here about adventism is in many many ways a total misrepresentations of historic and doctrinal facts. I can just hope and pray, that you will be open to study with your wife.
May God bless you
@@timohoffmann1888
Is a programmed SDA bot account ⚠️☝️.....it will only debate when you reply with questions....
If you present sources to refute it's claims...it won't comprehend and can't come up with an answer....
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Could you share some documentation of the Camp auSable incident? I am in Michigan and just took my name from the books two weeks ago. I haven’t heard about that and can find no documentation.
Great video as an ex Adventist I learn a lot from this fine ladies THANK YOU
I didn’t want this interview to end. Amazing!
I felt the same way listening to their "Former Adventist" podcast series called "Inspecting Adventism's Beliefs" (starting at episode 99), in which they go through the 28 fundamental beliefs using the "Seventh-day Adventists Believe" book and break down what's wrong with each of them. I highly recommend it.
Caleb, why do you enjoy listening to falsehoods?
@@statutesofthelord “falsehoods” ? Please elaborate
@@brothercaleb Nearly everything in the video was mistaken. Didn't you catch any of it?
@@statutesofthelord you realise that you’re saying nothing, right?
Missed opportunity: This investigation of Adventism should be called "The Investigative Judgment of Seventh Day Adventism"
That's pretty sweet
Thank you for taking us through not only the history of religion in the U.S. at the time but the exploitation of Ellen G. White’s “visions” by her husband. These podcasts were very informative for me since I don’t really know much about the SDA “church.”
First pray to God for the work of the holy spirit to guide you into all truth, then read your Bible a few times.
Then you need to read a few books of their's by EGW
1) Step to Christ
2) Thoughts from the Mount of Blessings
3) Christ Object Lessons
4) Desire of Ages
Then you can decide of what spirit these books are.
But read your bible first. Amen
@@clintonelias171 No.
59:15 Here's an example of Ellen White's book on the life of Christ (Desire of Ages) taken from author Daniel March: ruclips.net/video/vDUhCVRF468/видео.html
Two claims of hers:
“God would be pleased to see ‘The Desire of Ages’ in every home. In this book is contained the light he has given on his work.” Ellen White, Supplement to the Review and Herald, July 3, 1900
"My work has been in the field since 1845. Ever since then I have labored with pen and voice. Increased light has come to me as I have imparted the light given me. I have very much more light on the Old and New Testament Scriptures, which I shall present to our people." Ellen White Letter 61a, 1900.
@YAJUN YUAN Then there is a veil over your heart. Turn from the false messenger to the Savior, Jesus. He paid the price for your sin and offers salvation freely. Stop working for salvation and receive it. Romans 10:13 🙏
The summary of Ellen G. Whites *"Great Controversy"* argument are thus concerning the Apostasy of the Apostolic Church from her book, in chapter 3.
1. The Apostle Paul and John warned that the Apostasy of the Church Christ instituted. And, that the apostasy of the Church along with the Apostles was going to happen and was already happening in 53AD and by 90AD, the Apostle John was already commanding people to *"Come out the Church Christ instituted upon the Apostles, the prophets and Christ being the chief cornerstone.* Thus, the "HER" and Harlot of Revelation 18 to EGW and Adventism is the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and the book of Revelation is begging all the Christians to leave the Church Christ died for and John, Paul and all the Apostles labored to bring into the "ONE Faith", ONE Body, the ONE Church to an end regardless of Christ promise to never leave it or the gates of hell prevail over it.
2. The falling away, was NOT those who left the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. *but THOSE WHO REMAINED WITH the Apostolic Church Christ instituted was "falling away"* And, ONLY those who would LEAVE the Church would be saved, while those who followed in obedience to the Church would be lost.
3. The falling away in her mind described in 2Thess. 2:4 *was caused by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church abandoning the enforcement of the Sabbath commandment upon the Gentiles.* and that every Christian must become Jewish first, before claiming to be Christian (condemned in Acts 15-16:4) and the claim of Cephas to be Pope.
4. Her claim was that Grace and faith in Christ and the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Holy Spirit was and is not sufficient to keep a person from murdering or stealing..etc., thus the spirit of lawlessness. And, that only by the LAW of 10 commandments could keep people from sinning, not by the power of the Holy Spirit.
5. She also claimed that suddenly somewhere long before 325AD, the Catholic Church and THE POPE, who was the Vicar of Christ and no one in the entire known world protested. This was already occurring in 53AD when the Apostle Paul wrote 2Thessalonians 2 while at the same time the Apostle Paul as calling the Pope "Cephas" meaning Rock. And, prior to that Christ named Him "Rock" from the moment Christ called him and so did every other Apostle who spoke the Aramaic language, as Christ and most of Judea at the time. Only those who DISOBEYED the Church could be saved in EGW's teaching.
6. Ellen G. White claimed by the time of Constantine, AND THE POPE, and the entire known world of Christianity had fallen away to join forces with the Pope and that was "The Great Falling Away" prophesied in 2Thess. 2:4 in *325AD* , *While at the same time teaching the Papacy didn't BEGIN until 538AD* 217 years later. *She and her "Great Swelling words" (2Peter 2 and Jude **1:16**) is a perfect fraud!*
7. For Ellen G. White, persecution and martyrdom of the Church was a good thing and the church living in peaceful times was deplorable. She would have preferred that the torture of the Christians continued than have peace.
8. In the end, Ellen G. White and the Adventist church teaches the Papacy didn't begin until 538AD according to their 1260 day prophecy, but that conflicts directly with their own writings which say the Papacy was already ruling in 325AD, which is 217 years or more.
9. Ellen G. White writes explicitly in Chapter 3 of the book Great Controversy, speaking of the time of Constantine in 325AD less than 200 years after Christ: *"THE GREAT APOSTATE HAD SUCCEEDED in exalting himself “above all that is called God, or that is worshiped.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4. He (the Pope) had dared to change the only precept of the divine law that unmistakably points all mankind to the true and living God.* (Great Controversy Chapter 3. ….
"No such honor was given to the day by Christ or His apostles. *The observance of Sunday as a Christian institution had its origin in that “mystery of lawlessness”* (2 Thessalonians 2:7, R.V.) which, *EVEN in Paul’s day, had begun its work.* Chapter 3 of Great Controversy. Yet, there is no record of any "Controversy" about a change from the Sabbath to Sunday in the records of Church history. And, neither is there any controversy concerning Peter's place as the Rock Christ gave him. Acts 15-16:4 Clearly condemns the Judaizing of Christians and from then on every person who taught that the Gentiles were obligated to live as do the Jews, were called, "False brethren" and to be avoided.
10. Lastly, EGW's and the Adventist's point is that Christ (God himself in the flesh) could *NOT* and did not *"Point mankind to the true and Living God"* And, that only by Sabbath keeping could they come to know God, period.
Both claims are true. I have personally experienced that last one. Wonderful truths from heaven.
She didnt say she had new light,just light on some subjects.
I’m around Nikki’s age, but I had a nostalgia moment when Colleen mentioned Michael Card and Glad.
I can't help but feel there's some parallels between Ellen G and the woman who founded Christian Science
How can you just say that someone isn’t born again? Are you saying adventists aren’t saved? How can you explain how she also said to always look to the Bible first before her writings and the Bible has more authority? I appreciate you sharing this, I’m just trying to get everything straight in my mind.
SDA doctrine: we don't have spirits, so what is born again for them? It is merely mental assent. If you believe in the wrong Jesus, the wrong Gospel, etc, can you be saved? Something to think about.
Ellen White in patriots and prophets PAGE 357 Writes Christ death on the cross
does not cancel out SIN..........this lady was not a Christian
What is sin?
@@dr.g1482 Christ died to take away the believers sin she denies what Christ did on the cross
@@hectorromero4375 what is sin? Please tell me.
@@dr.g1482 sin is what she committed when she denied Christ work on the cross by saying the did not cancel out sin
@@hectorromero4375 what is sin? You can’t give me a definition.
Minute 9:48, you are so wrong: SDA belive in hell! That their belief is not similar to your belief, that doesn't mean they don't have a concept of hell...so, like in the first episode, I can only see the frustration and need to discredit them in a very manipulating way.
Wow some similarities to JW's. Very interesting show. I almost went to a SDA church after I watched this movie done by SDA but some of the things just didnt sit well and I decided not to. A big red flag was the worship (as I saw it) of Ellen White. I did some research on SDA before going to meet with the pastor at the church and cancelled the appointment. I thank Jesus for directing me away, it was Him not me. He led me and gave me discernment to realize this is a false religion. Praise God!
Awesome thank you for sharing
I was in Pathfinders for at least one year and went to summer camp to and I never had that training or had soldiers storming the church. I went to church in Lima Linda.
I, too, was in Pathfinders and, while I never experienced that in Pathfinders, I DID in Adventist schooling. We did "End Times Drills".
@@answeringadventism I had the experience of scary people busting our church building so we could practice how to behave in the end times.
@@rebeccagable9629 I don’t believe you. That’s something zero people I know would endorse and I am and have always been an SDA.
@@answeringadventism that’s not a thing. That’s not happening anywhere. Name the time and place.
I don’t believe that is happening anywhere in SDA world. Maybe in some off shoot group .
Dear friends
I am SDA. I was raised SDA. I struggled with the SDA message for some time but through study and prayer I intellectually continue in this faith and not with “blind devotion. It is my prayer you will with open mind read what I have to say in response to these episodes.
The first question I have is why are these “SDA experts” featured? Why is not a current SDA member on the panel for discussion? Over the years I’ve been exposed to individuals such as these ladies and rarely can an objective discussion ensue due to overwhelming bias. In fact the majority of the “facts” presented here are skewed to fit their narrative. Where is the balance? It is clear the Apologia hosts have already made up their minds before the conversation could even give anyone the opportunity to make an informed decision? Where are the biblical texts to back up the information presented? Where are the historical documents?
We should have learned over the past few years,in particular, that ad hominem,“character” attacks should alert to the fact something is amiss; this is exactly what’s going on here.
It should also be noted that anyone who’s “ministry” is for the primary purpose of discrediting a group might ought to raise some eyebrows as well. Aren’t there usually two sides to a story?
For instance they call attention to “insider” Sabbath school lessons and other written materials. The sole purpose for this is to make it seem secret or insider or cultish; these “experts” would have you believe there is some conspiratorial information ONLY for SDAs. I find this laughable. A simple Google search and you’ll find this “insider” information. The fact is anyone can acquire these items at adventistbookcenter.com/ and most of it on Amazon; not so insider…
These “experts” would have you believe Adventists hold some distorted view of the soul when in fact we hold the biblical view of soul sleep. (Ecc. 9:5) www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead-
They would have you believe the Sabbath doesn’t matter. (Ex 20:8-11). They poke fun at the idea of a great controversy between Christ and Satan. But doesn’t the Bible introduce such an idea in Genesis 3:1? Did God really say? (Questioning God’s authority); What about Satan presenting himself in the councils of God regarding Job (Is anyone loyal to God?) Job 1:6-12); Lucifer wanting to ascend to the heavens (Be like the Most High) Isa. 14:14; The temptations of Christ (who will you worship?) Matt 4:1-11; Or how about Michael and his angels? (physical battle) Rev 12:7. Do these not at least allude to a struggle? Paul admonishes us not to forget we do not fight against flesh and blood (Eph 6:12). What about Christ sweating as it were great drops of blood in Gethsemane? Is that only from physical strain or perhaps He’s become the Sacrifice and the sins of the world are laid upon His head? Lk 22:44
There is spiritual battle. 1 Peter 5:8-9.
Again I ask is it too hard to believe in a controversy between Christ and Satan? If that’s not too much of a stretch then ask yourself why do these experts along with the hosts of Cultish poke fun; ad hominem.
I would suggest reading The Great Controversy for yourself with Bible in hand.
m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132.2?ss=eyJwYXJhbXMiOnsicXVlcnkiOiJUaGUgZ3JlYXQgY29udHJvdmVyc3kgIiwibGFuZyI6ImVuIn0sInNnX2luZGV4IjoiMCJ9#2
They would have you believe William Miller came up with a “theory” of a day for a year to back up his end time predictions. A day for a year is not his “theory” but is in fact supported by the Bible itself. 1844madesimple.org/year-day-principle/
Another point. Does not Apologia Church hold to sola scriptura ( I’m not trying to attack this church; the question needs to be asked)?
If so then why do it’s pastors not teach Sabbath observance? Did not God say, “Remember the Sabbath day…? (Ex 20:8-11) Is there any biblical text(s) giving evidence to authority to remember the Sunday? Did Christ come to abolish the law or fulfill it? (Matt 5:17-20) Which law did he come to fulfill? Is Christ not the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? (Rev 13:8); Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system. He did not nail the Decalogue to the cross.
Jesus has identified His faithful remnant as those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus (Rev 12:17).
He did not say keep part or almost or do away with one of the commandments or it’s okay to keep a human tradition ( because it commemorates His resurrection)…no He has said if you love me keep commandments. (Jn 14:15). Nowhere in my Bible is there mention of commemorating His resurrection day on Sunday. I am not admonished in my Bible anywhere to honor a man made custom in lieu of. I just can’t find it anywhere and if evidence can be shown to the contrary I’d happily keep Sunday if that is God’s command.
So why do Protestants keep Sunday? By what authority? Where is the command found? These questions need to be asked.
Have you looked at the history regarding Sunday keeping? Do some digging.
Here’s an interesting article written some time ago. www.practicaprophetica.com/books/atj/romes-challenge-why-do-protestants-keep-sunday/
In fact further historical study regarding the Reformation leads to the Council of Trent. You may be shocked as to what was decided. And this may be hard to read but the council found the Protestant Reformation an unwarranted revolt. Why? Because they claimed the scripture alone as sole authority but Protestants stated in the Augsburg Confession they keep the “Lord’s Day” as appointed by the Church (Catholic). Thus the Council of Trent ruled the Reformation as nothing more than a revolt. And look what happened in October 2016; Protestants have gone into ecumenical council with Pope Francis in effect handling over the what remains of the Reformation. You can read more about here: www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/the-council-of-trent
And: amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/29/reformation-luther-pope-francis-catholics
This is a vast subject and I could say a lot more but please do not take my word for it.
This may discredit everything I’ve said thus far but what’s been presented here is false information and false teachings. These well intending individuals are leading folks down the wrong road. Please. Please. Do your own study. I’ve provide links; you can start there. And I’ll provide a few more resources below.
At the very least read the first chapter of The Desire of Ages, entitled, God with Us. Use your Bible compare this chapter with scripture . I challenge you to see if this is “cultish”. If that’s not convincing enough read the whole book or The Great Controversy along with your Bible. There’s no insider, secret information here. Read and study for yourself. m.egwwritings.org/en/book/130.21#21
Resources:
www.practicaprophetica.com/books/atj/romes-challenge-why-do-protestants-keep-sunday/
m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc
rumble.com/vmod4z-wup-66-futurism-dispensationalism-antichrist-and-mark-of-the-beast-indonesi.html
Did you mention the fundamental beliefs and vows? And how egw writings are placed EQUAL to scripture....
Let's see here 🧐...
Vow #8: "I ACCEPT the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the IDENTIFYING MARKS of the REMNANT CHURCH."
Now let's see what fundamental belief #18 has to say about the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH 🤔....
FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF #18
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH and was MANIFESTED in the ministry of ELLEN G. WHITE.
(SO.... here we see that as a member of the REMNANT CHURCH you MUST vow to ACCEPT the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH which was MANIFESTED in ELLEN G WHITES writings)
Now let's see what the spirit of prophecy herself has to to say about her writings....
ELLEN G WHITE:
We "MUST" follow the directions given through the spirit of prophecy [Mrs. White's writings]. ... God has spoken to us through His Word. He has spoken to us through the Testimonies to the church and through the books that have helped to make plain our present duty and the position that we should now occupy." (Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 298)
@@nicetry620 what’s your point? Read the Bible. What is sin? Why won’t you answer?
@@dr.g1482
My point is what the sources say it is,"smarty"....
Learn to read before looking foolish...
Ellen G White has EQUAL authority to scripture...do you need a dictionary for understanding what specific word's placed in a specific order mean?
Since you believe in EGW, then you also believe that Jesus is an archangel named Michael. You need to read Hebrews.,
@@rebeccagable9629 who appeared to Abraham before destroying Sodom? Who appeared to Joshua before marching against Jericho? Who appeared to Gideon before fighting the Midianites? Who appeared to Minoah foretelling the birth of Samson? Who was in the fiery furnace with the 3 worthies? Jesus has always humbled Himself, first to take on Angel form and then human form. He’s the ladder that Jacob saw in his dream connecting heaven and earth. He bridges the gap. He stands in the breech. He lives to intercede.
Is it just me, or does it seem like diabetes runs rampant in the SDA church? When I was an SDA I feel like I remember a lot of people were diabetic, seems like the combination of veggies and desserts contributes to that. Thank yall for doing the podcast and exposing SDA further. God Bless!
A lot of thread issues, too, BC of all the soy we ate!
I think somewhere good to point groups that heavily emphasize the OT law is Matthew 22:36-40:
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
And then to ask, “Has anyone ever kept this law? Do you?”
Can you do a series on the book of Revelation? I feel the world/people/believers need a better understanding of the book. I've seen some of your videos on the topic but I feel like a verse by verse series is in desperate need at this time, where people think the world is about to end.
There are plenty of good studies on it. Might suggest John MacAurthur and/or David Hocking. Hocking i liked as he will cover briefly the different views pre/post/mid/a-tribulational views and why and what the problems are with each view. While most find Revelations difficult, while i agree with what J.Veron McGee use to say. Revelations is the easiest book to understand in the Bible, you only need to know one thing to understand it well. That is the rest of the 65 books before it... And there is the problem, given as small as Revelation is, there are 700+ or more references to/from the other 65 books. Just saying impossible to understand Revelation with out having the context from the other passages. And there is the problem, at least when talking with most people you run into at church, most have no clue what is actually in the Bible.
Most mainstream christians dont study revelation....for good reason. To them it doesnt apply to our time and theres really no benefit of reading it. If you follow a historicist method of prophetic interpretaion however, it makes a whole ot more sense. Which, in fact, is the way most, if not all, protestants interpreted the books of Daniel and revelation. It wasnt until somewhat recently, that mainstream christianity adopted some of these ways of interpreting prophecy. And it all has one thing in common. It doesnt apply to our time. Either future or past fulfillment of the text but nothing really for us now.
The historicist method will take you down through history allowing the bible to basically interpret itself, through reading Daniel and Revelation together and following history while doing so. It makes a whole lot more sense that way to me.
I love the Revelation......it’s God’s divine judgement on apostate Jerusalem and her temple and was written before 70AD.
God bless you
@@rogerwilco1910 Unfortunately, she comes with stories that she already believes, like the Rapture, eternal everlasting torture chambers and such just blinds you when trying to actually study the book itself.
Nikki & Colleen are going thru the book of Revelation on the Former Adventist podcast.
One topic that I think needs more discussion is the SDA understanding of what Scripture is. It is very hard to study with an Adventist as they often say 'that's not what the text means'' and then give an interpretation straight from Ellen White. Here, from the E.G. White estate is a quote:
5. Verbal Versus Plenary. Mrs. White states directly that it is not the words of the Scriptures that are inspired, but rather the men who wrote them--the prophets were "God's penmen, not His pen."[91]
The semantic problem here is recognized--a given word may convey different ideas to different people. Yet if a writer or speaker is intellectually honest, he can usually convey his meaning plainly.[92] The same truth may be expressed in different ways without essential contradiction.[93]
Basically, "inspiration acts not on the man's words or his expressions but on the man himself, who, under the influence of the Holy Ghost, is imbued with thoughts."[94]
6. What the Bible is not. The Bible does not represent the words, the logic, or the rhetoric of God.[95] "God, as a writer, is not represented."[96] Indeed, God says that His thoughts are not our thoughts, neither are His ways our ways (Isaiah 55:8, 9). But the Bible does point to God as its "Author."[97] Christ "Himself [is] the Author of these revealed truths."[98]
And the link is:
whiteestate.org/legacy/issues-rev-insp-html/
So trying to study with Adventists is like trying to nail down jello.
100%!!!!!
king, you have pointed out a big problem - some people go to what the EG White Estate says, instead of going to what Ellen White actually wrote. She wrote many, many times that the words in the Bible are inspired, from God.
@@statutesofthelord However, SDAs have a non-Biblical view of "inspiration".
I know it is unlikely for this to get through to Cultish, but I could really use help!
Too much of what they are saying about Christ's sacrifice sounds too much like the cult I have been trying to expose. I would love to talk to some former seventh day adventists about this, but I am not sure who or how to contact them. If anyone could help, it would be greatly appreciated.
What about the death of Christ from an Adventists perspective would you like to know? Adventists deny the one true and final atonement of Christ and here are two quotes:
“The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, *was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on the record in the sanctuary until the final atonement;* so in the type the blood of the sin-offering removed the sin from the penitent. But it rested in the sanctuary until the day of atonement.”
White, Ellen. “Patriarchs and Prophets” Oakland: Pacific Press Publishing Company, 1890, p. 357
“The death of Christ and the atonement are not the same thing. And this relieves the matter of all difficulty. *Christ did not make atonement when he shed his blood upon the cross.* Let this fact be fixed forever in the mind.”
Smith, Uriah. “Looking Unto Jesus”. Battle Creek: Review and Herald Publishing Co., 1898, p. 237
The problem for the Adventists and their like is the fact that nowhere in the entire bible does the Sabbath is binding upon the entire world, or Gentiles or Christians. You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. *For those who want the scriptural evidence that Christians are NOT obligated whatsoever to keep the Sabbaths of the Jews or meat distinctions, here it is right before your very eyes!* And, in this Chapter we find the foundation for *The Council of Laodicea in AD 347 which is nothing more than a reiteration of the decrees of Acts 15 by the Apostles themselves.* and the Anathema from the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians who stupidly taught the same thing as the Adventists and the Armstrongs. >
Acts 15
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the WHOLE church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 *Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:*
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, *who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.*
Acts 15:28 *For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost (GOD ALMIGHTY) , and to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
• These are commandments from God Almighty to leave the Gentiles alone regarding any Jewish holyday, Sabbath, meat distinctions, tithing, or any other Jewish custom.
• ACTS 21:25 *As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe NO such thing*, save ONLY that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
There are NO sabbaths, no Jewish holy days, no Jewish New Moons, no Jewish tithing and leave the Gentile Christians ALONE!
You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. The Adventist are guilty of falsely speaking for God, making void the commandment from God to leave the Gentiles alone and creating, Jewish fable and traditions of men, not from God. And, deliberately putting a stumbling block in the way of being Christian. For them, it's all about a pretended Sabbath keeping to hide their own sins.
The Sabbath is not required of Christians. The Fruits of the Spirit, which are by faith through the Grace of Jesus Christ are. See Gal.5:17-22 As Gal.5:22 "Against such there is no law!" Period,
Christ commanded the entire world to obey the Church, not pick up corrupt bible translation and start their own Church. The Adventists and their like just want to throw a stumbling block in your way, and they don't keep the Sabbath either.
@@AcademyApologia Thanks. Don't know why RUclips did not notify me of this comment sooner, but that helps. The cult I look into has a view of Christ as more of an example of what we need to do than being a sacrifice to take our place. So I can see some similarity there.
@@chainedambassador You Tube notifications are broken and they miss some. Who is this cult you are examining?
@@AcademyApologia They are called Homestead Heritage. Ironically, they are in Waco, TX.
July 2023. .Bless those who seek the truth. If a church is blind (sun day worshippers), then the flock will fall on the ditch.,,..,,.
Christians who assemble on Sunday worship Jesus, not the sun.
So are SDAs Saturn worshippers?
One common trait SDA's share is that when they quote Ellen they will never say it's from her.
Yes and this means you think it’s scripture
@@joey6838 My Dad always did this in a veiled way.
He would often do it this way: "God said (Insert Ellen quote)".
@@FFanatic222 Wow!
@@FFanatic222 If she were truly a prophet, then would "God said..." be true?
Quote from Martin Walter on Jesus. Anyone have the source?
My mind is BLOWN re:the pathfinders camp. 😢
The pathfinders mind would be blown too if they heard it.
@@lincolnliking I saw the picture. The Michigan Conference took it down after people commenting/complaining. It was a very shocking sight. As a parent who raised her daughter in the SDA church, I shudder to think what she must have heard, or been taught. So glad that my husband, myself and my daughter have left the SDA denomination.
I remember the picture they're talking about. But I don't think it was a Pathfinders thing. I thought it was a Sabbath afternoon activity they did during summer camp there. Not a huge difference but that's just my recollection.
@@Cainky I don't recall whether it was summer camp or a Pathfinder event, but either way, it's terrible.
@@mimiwest3256 I saw the photos also.
Great SDA analysis. Where is part 3?
So I watched part 1 to this series, l was raised Adventist myself. This entire discussion is seasoned with a lot of bias and error. It would have been wise to have an actual non ex Adventist responding as well.
@Joel Villarreal... Again, I'm just saying. He referenced and quoted Ellen white. This will prove that some statements made by the ex-Adventist were incorrect, as well as, you can verify everything for yourself.
My goal in watching cultish was to see if I myself could view Ellen as a prophet, so far I'm inconclusive.
I personally don't agree that we should use her views to interpret scriptures, she also noted that if we read the Bible ourselves there is no need for her. This video stated that not all her writings were inspired. I also believe that Adventist use her too heavily when she even advised against this.
What's interesting though is that, there is nowhere in scriptures that support worshiping on Sunday as the day of worship. The catholic church has release statements that they change the day of worship to Sunday. The whole world followed. It is better to obey God than man. To be a Christian means to me Christ like. Jesus kept the 7th day sabbath.
@Joel Villarreal so, she didn't call herself a prophet, and I'm not defending her either. My mission is to find out if I should accept her as a prophet because many Adventist quotes her when trying to interpret scriptures.
I'm not sold out on all the interpretation of scripture from the SDA church, however, I am sold out on the day of worship. Jesus kept the sabbath and I aspire to be like him. They're no documentation in scriptures where the day of worship was changed to Sunday, but I have shared a video where the Catholic church noted that they were the one that made the change. Who do you Obey, God or man? You don't need to be an SDA but you need to be a remnant. Keep the Commandments and have the testimonies of Jesus. Rev 12:17
@Joel Villarreal not to go back and forth because my intention is not to convince anyone that Ellen is or is not a prophet. Unless everyone is lying, she's prophesied many things. In addition, what I stated and I stand correct, and even the examples that you listed does that say that she explicitly said she's a prophet. Based on the records, we could say she's a great guesser, but that defies probability. Do I myself think she's a prophet, I am still doing my research.
Do we need he? I don't think so.
@Joel Villarreal I've spent over 40 years in the Adventist Church, I was never taught not to believe in the trinity, God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit. I've always understood that we're saved by grace.
If your primary goal is to win or invest your time arguing, then already your heart is in the wrong place. A lot of errors were shared during this discussion, I didn't say it was 100% incorrect.
I agreed that the Adventist Church esteem Ellen white to a level that has created a lot of "great controversies" lol. I personally don't believe in a remnant church. I believe in a remnant people. The most important identification I want to bare is "Christian".
I already have enough issues with the Bible itself. I wish God would speak to me more clearly but for whatever reason he doesn't.
From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the LORD.
Isiah 66:23
That tells me that the sabbath is still relevant if we're going to observe it in heaven. No scripture said that the sabbath was changed to Sunday nor should it be interpreted to be Abolished.
The wages of sin is death, not torment, if we will burn forever sin will never be destroyed. According to Rev 20:14
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
Adventist doesn't teach that hell is a literal place that is in existence. I believe this. So I'm not here to defend Ellen or Adventist, but they were lies in this video.
Very unkind careless insinuations without evidence. Mean, gossiping ladies couldn't surpass what these two are doing.
It's lies lies lies unbalanced lies.
Where is the part 3?
So many accusations about assumptions from "experts" yet no references to check out...
I'm 36 minutes in. Still waiting on a reference.
@@lincolnliking
I'm still for a reference that I asked for in the previous video. I don't think I'll get an answer.
Just a bunch of serpents Blah Blah Blah. Bring in some people to address these issues.
She said she spoke about Sept 11th from a book called testimony volume 9 page 11. 9-11 I don't think she even realized the coincidence
Can anyone share a link with me to part three? I cannot find it.
ruclips.net/video/VkRdrz8-uzI/видео.html they seem to have the episodes miss numbered. But this was the next one after Ellen G White, and the Millerites part two
@@maxwelledisonsmum Thank you! It would be SO helpful if they’d at least add the part 3 to the title that it pertains to. I’ve been frustrated trying to find it and wondering if it was removed.
Jesus Christ is my Sabbath rest.
Where is that in the Bible?
@@Stefan-X24 Hebrews 3-4
@@Stefan-X24 - “So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.”
Hebrews 4:9-11
The 4th commandment is not mentioned in the NT, but resting in Jesus is. It is the blood of Christ plus NOTHING that saves us.
@@exmarine268
This is talking about a physical rest
@@Stefan-X24 - No, it is not. He who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works: Entering this rest means no longer needing to work. The idea isn’t that there is no longer any place for doing good works. The idea is that there is no longer any place for works as a basis for our own righteousness. It’s about faith in Jesus.
This cessation from works as a basis for righteousness fulfills our “Sabbath rest.” God rested from His works on the original Sabbath of Genesis 2:2 because the work was finished. We cease from self-justifying works because Jesus finished the work on the cross.
If you trust in anything for righteousness other than the person of Jesus Christ Himself, then you are deceiving yourself. There nothing you can perform or do to earn favor with God.
““Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.”
Matthew 11:28
You have already broken the 10 commandments - that ship has sailed. The only hope is the applied blood of Jesus Christ, and abide in Him. “Rock of Ages, cleft for me; let me hide myself in thee.”
What it boils down to is these women as well as many others heard the truth but without a deep personal relationship with Jesus, misunderstood those words and took offense to much of it as did so many others they had come in contact with. They are out there. But when properly understood in the context the Lord meant, it's beautiful. When Jesus said in Matthew 24 to pray that it not happen on the Sabbath or in the winter, He meant it. To dismiss that is not dismissing Ellen White but to dismiss Jesus' own words. These women are not Bible believers and dismiss not only White's interpretations but Jesus' Himself. These are a prime example of people with "itching ears". They don't want the unvarnished truth, they want what feels good and sounds good. The Bible is beautiful and true through and through. To dismiss any part of it is blasphemy. Remember Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Don't take the wide and popular path and don't listen to extremists of any faith. Read the Bible and pray for understanding for yourself. That's what the Bible teaches us to do. Don't skim the surface and pluck out only what sounds good but take those "difficult" scriptures and ask questions of it, then search for other verses throughout the Bible that will help to clarify that scripture...a little here, a little there. Your understanding will be opened when you search and pray and truly want truth. It's not ok to simply dismiss what you don't understand and say it's not for us. Every word in the Bible was given to us as a gift to help us in our life's journey. When you figure that out and how to pray with an honest heart you can and will find your way.
@27:00 I am reminded of a popular book that seems to be written around this end time apocalyptic viewpoint called "Project Sunlight". published by Adventists. There is definitely a huge martyr complex within this sect. Regarding her advice on diet the very things she restricted she partook, animal flesh meats, venison, wine for stomach problems, oysters, as her assistants watched her eating these things they were confused as to why she partook in "these abominations" - there are letters of her describing the venison she ate as being "tender as chicken" and how they all "enjoyed it very much", then on the other hand she says "I do not tell my hears to do one thing while I do another". In terms of scriptural tests, Ellen white failed here when she predicted, yet again, the return of Christ in 1856. Adventists excuse this by saying that all of her prophecies are conditional (and they cite Jonah/Ninevah as an example of God saying something hen not doing it) and EGW herself said Christ did not return because "the church" did not "finish the work" - aka blaming the victim.
OK so the fundamental teachings doctrine biblical teachings out of the actual scriptures do any of those that they upheld contradict The Bible are there any biblical doctrine that someday I'd finithe 7th Adventist uphold that contradict the Bible?
Great interview and discussion guys!! I do have a couple questions... 1. What top points would you make to someone who says that 7th day Adventism is just another Christian denomination? 2. I may have missed it but could you highlight specifically where they differ on the Gospel, specifically in their printed material? (so it can be referenced) I thought the point about Jesus being Michael the archangel was an excellent point (ie wrong God, like you point out with Mormons all the time).
Indeed.
@REK Knives I would learn about the differences between the Jesus of the New Testament and EGW's jesus. For example, EGW wrote in the Desire Of Ages that Jesus had older brothers.....BIG problem! Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born, so it's impossible for Jesus to have older brothers. Learn the differences!!
@YAJUN YUAN and that too is a big problem. Where is it taught in scripture that Joseph was previously married?
Since when does Catholic's speak on my behalf about scripture. Any Orthodox christian denomination that teach Jesus having older brothers are doing so on their own authority, not on the authority of scripture.
This christmas, when you see a nativity scene, ask yourself why these "older" brothers of Jesus aren't included in the scene. It's because Jesus didn't have "older" brothers.
@@LoCoWi E, Mary was a virgin, and Jesus had older brothers. This is very simple.
My dad was a SDA pastor and some of the things these dear sisters are saying was not my experience. I have always believed in the historical Christian trinity from as far back as I can remember. One of the main reasons I am no longer an SDA is because I don’t think the teaching of the investigative judgment is biblical. Certainly don’t remember elevating angels as an Adventist and it was at an Adventist college that I first understood the true gospel of grace. Anyway, a lot of food for thought in this video, and I need to investigate further the statements these dear ladies are making.
Anyone who looks of the word *"Harlot"* in the concordance will quickly see that the "Harlot" is Israel and Jerusalem, the home of the Sabbath keepers, NOT the Church of Rome or the Catholic Church. Why does the SDA hide these things from the public? Purely, so, they can justify their Spirit of False Prophecy and Heresies.
The Revelation of the Harlot - The proof that the Church of Rome never was nor will be the Harlot of Ellen G. White's Slanderous accusations of the Adventist Church and their false prophet. As well as their *"Spirit of False Prophecy"* in which they glory in their sins.
Shocking News for the Adventists!
*"THE HARLOT" of Revelation 17 & 18, it's NOT what you have BEEN TOLD!!* ruclips.net/video/fr5xc2n0f64/видео.html
The Holy Spirit left in the text of scripture it's praise of the Church of Rome, indelibly engraved forever for the Christians. It also, had indelibly engraved forever, it is the Sabbath keepers of the Old Testament *who is the HARLOT* and *Who played the Harlot* , murdering the Old Testament Prophets and finally Christ Himself and then the Apostles.
Isaiah 1:21 (KJV)
21 How is the faithful city *become an HARLOT!* it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; *but now murderers.* (It isn't the CHURCH OF ROME… It's Jerusalem) Jerusalem was the holy city of the Sabbath keepers, who despised, persecuted and murdered CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES)
Christ himself says in Mt. 23:37 *O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, *how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!*
38 *Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.* It's not the Catholic Church, but JERUSALEM, of the Catholic Church, it is written: *"The God of Peace will crush Satan under the Church of Rome's feet"* Rom.16:20
*At NO time did the Christ, the Apostles or Apostolic Church EVER refer to the Church of Rome as a Harlot* Of course, the Adventist preach the exact opposite.
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Isaiah 23:16 (KJV)
16 Take an harp, go about the city, *YOU HARLOT* that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered.
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Jeremiah 2:20 (KJV)
20 For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, *PLAYING THE HARLOT*
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Jeremiah 3:1 (KJV)
1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? *BUT THOU HAST PLAYED THE HARLOT* with MANY lovers;* yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
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Jeremiah 3:6 (KJV)
6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which BACKSLIDING OF ISREAL hath done? *SHE* is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and *THERE HAST PLAYED THE HARLOT*
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Jeremiah 3:8 (KJV)
8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby BACKSLIDING ISRAEL COMMITTED ADULTERY, I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and *PLAYED THE HARLOT ALSO* .
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Ezekiel 16:15 (KJV)
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and *PLAYED THE HARLOT* because of thy renown, and *POUREDST OUT THEY FORNICATIONS* on every one that passed by; his it was.
Revelation 14:8
And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, *that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication*
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Ezekiel 16:16 (KJV)
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, *AND PLAYEDST THE HARLOT* thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
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Ezekiel 16:28 (KJV)
28 Thou hast *PLAYED THE WHORE*, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, *THOU HAST PLAYED THE HARLOT WITH THEM*, and yet couldest not be satisfied.
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Ezekiel 16:35 (KJV)
35 Wherefore, *O HARLOT* hear the word of the LORD:
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Ezekiel 16:41 (KJV)
41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from *PLAYING THE HARLOT*, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.
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Ezekiel 23:19 (KJV)
19 *Yet she multiplied her whoredoms* , in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had *PLAYED THE HARLOT* in the land of Egypt.
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Hosea 4:15 (KJV)
15 Though thou, *ISRAEL, PLAY THE HARLOT* , yet let not Judah offend; and come not ye unto Gilgal, neither go ye up to Bethaven, nor swear, The LORD liveth.
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The culmination of Israel's Harlotry came with the murdering of Christ by the Sabbath Keepers in their self-righteous pretended holiness claiming to keep the law while they murdered the Messiah, Christ himself and the Apostles after them. Well said CHRIST TO THE SABBATH KEEPERS!!!
Rev. 18: 4 BEGS, THE SABBATH KEEPERS TO COME OUT OF THE HARLOT (the old covenant) AND BECOME CHRISTIANS! Something, the Adventist's will never do!
Wherefore, Christ said the following to the Sabbath Keepers:
23 :32 Fill ye up then THE MEASURE OF YOUR FATHERS, 23 :33 *Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell*?
23 :34 Wherefore, behold, *I send unto you prophets, and wise men* , and scribes: and *some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and. some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city* : (Rev. 17vs 6)
[COMPARE WITH Rev. 18:24 And in her was found the *blood of prophets, and of saints* , and of all that were slain upon the earth. ]
23 :35 *That upon YOU may come ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON THE EARTH* ,from the BLOOD OF RIGHTEOUS ABEL unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
[COMPARE WITH Rev. 18:24 And in her was found *the blood of prophets, and of saints* , and *of all that were slain upon the earth.* And Rev. 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye *holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.* Revelation]
*Jesus Christ himself in person and the Apostles themselves, couldn't get these hard hearted Sabbath Keepers to repent* !
Rev. 18: 4 BEGS, *THE SABBATH KEEPERS TO COME OUT OF THE HARLOT* (the old covenant) AND BECOME CHRISTIANS! Something, the Adventist's will never do!
This is more than enough proof that Israel/ Jerusalem (home of the Sabbath keepers) *is the HARLOT OF REVELATION!*
coach, the Investigative Judgment is mentioned many times in the Bible. Sheep and Goats, for example.
@@statutesofthelord ; So, where do you heretics stand?
The problem for the Adventists and their like is the fact that nowhere in the entire bible does the Sabbath is binding upon the entire world, or Gentiles or Christians. You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. *For those who want the scriptural evidence that Christians are NOT obligated whatsoever to keep the Sabbaths of the Jews or meat distinctions, here it is right before your very eyes!* And, in this Chapter we find the foundation for *The Council of Laodicea in AD 347 which is nothing more than a reiteration of the decrees of Acts 15 by the Apostles themselves.* and the Anathema from the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians who stupidly taught the same thing as the Adventists and the Armstrongs. >
Acts 15
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the WHOLE church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 *Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:*
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, *who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.*
Acts 15:28 *For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost (GOD ALMIGHTY) , and to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
• These are commandments from God Almighty to leave the Gentiles alone regarding any Jewish holyday, Sabbath, meat distinctions, tithing, or any other Jewish custom.
• ACTS 21:25 *As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe NO such thing*, save ONLY that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
There are NO sabbaths, no Jewish holy days, no Jewish New Moons, no Jewish tithing and leave the Gentile Christians ALONE!
You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. The Adventist are guilty of falsely speaking for God, making void the commandment from God to leave the Gentiles alone and creating, Jewish fable and traditions of men, not from God. And, deliberately putting a stumbling block in the way of being Christian. For them, it's all about a pretended Sabbath keeping to hide their own sins.
The Sabbath is not required of Christians. The Fruits of the Spirit, which are by faith through the Grace of Jesus Christ are. See Gal.5:17-22 As Gal.5:22 "Against such there is no law!" Period,
Christ commanded the entire world to obey the Church, not pick up corrupt bible translation and start their own Church. The Adventists and their like just want to throw a stumbling block in your way, and they don't keep the Sabbath either.
Don't believe in the IJ? Read this short explanation:
First off, we have this verse:
For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1Pet 4:17, NASB 77)
That verse is the first hint. It is obvious that Judgement begins with Gods people first. Now that we have this bit of information, lets look and see what Daniel has to say about the "end of days".
Just before the stone without hands smashes into the feet in Dan 2 causing the statue to be smashed into chaff and it (those kingdoms) blows away, then Gods kingdom is established:
“And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and [that] kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever. “Inasmuch as you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is true, and its interpretation is trustworthy.” (Dan 2:44-45, NASB 77)
But what happens just before the stone made without hands comes? This corresponds to Daniel 7: 9, 10 - lets look:
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: *_the judgment was set, and the books were opened._* (Dan 7:10 KJV)
Then what happens?
“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and [men of every] language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed. (Dan 7:13-14, NASB 77)
Voilla! There you go - _"The Judgement was set and books were opened"_ - AND THEN the Son of man came and established His kingdom.
It is undeniable. There is a judgement that occurs prior to the Lords Return. THE BIBLE says so. Those who claim to be Christians will be judged first according to 1 Peter 4:17. We see that principle worked out in Daniel, and then Jesus returns.
I’m a direct decent of William Miller, not my family’s proudest achievement but it is very interesting.
Very Interesting
William Miller was not a bad man, he just thought he had Christ’s returned figured out. He was “man enough” to admit he was wrong (unlike the Edson, Crozier, and the Whites). He didn’t start Adventism; and for what it’s worth, I don’t hold him responsible in the least for what has become a bonafide cult.
I'm at 12:00 So, is it customary to just have people making accusations after accusations against someone without citing evidence of any kind and it's just accepted on the recognition of their sterling character? Some of these accusations are very serious. It would be nice to at least know where they are getting this information and what was the reasoning behind it.
Because of course you have used citations?? So everyone else are liars?
I guess feigning ignorance as to who they are and what websites and ministries they run can cause this
Which specific accusations are you referring to?
So where is part 3?
The most surprising revelation about this episode was simply realizing how little Adventists read the Bible, and when they actually read it, Adventism no longer made sense. Though there are people in wayward “Christian” churches that are hardly seeing or hearing the word in their Sunday services or personal life. (Think Glory of Zion, Bethel, and their ilk.)
Totally OT, but it would be epic to have a series where a former Mormon, a former JW, and a former Adventist all sit down for a discussion on your podcast. Or even current members, though getting current members to come on might be super difficult and messy.
Holly, you do realize that Adventists read the Bible a lot, don't you? This video was highlighting ex-SDAs, not current ones.
that is not true. we are known as people of the book. we do read the bible from cover to cover
Coleen, can you please provide the reference for the statement Ellen White made regarding tying children’s hands to their bed to keep them from masturbating? I have searched for this reference and I cannot find it anywhere. Is this something you have personally read, or is it something that you have heard others repeat? Please verify your source of information regarding this statement.
52:40-52:55, this statement by Coleen is incorrect.
“With what firmness and power he uttered these words. The Jews has never before heard such words from human lips, and a converting influence attended them; for it seemed that divinity flashed through humanity as Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." The words of Christ were full of deep meaning as he put forth the claim that he and the Father were of one substance, possessing the same attributes. The Jews understood his meaning, there was no reason why they should misunderstand, and they took up stones to stone him.” - E. G. White, "The True Sheep Respond to the Voice of the Shepherd," The Signs of the Times, XX (November 27, 1893), 54.
Good greif! Thou doth protest too much...
@@tizeye4760 how.
I remember being 6 years old in the SDA church and one day they called up all the children to the front for story time. This is where I first heard about Ellen White. Even as a kid I wondered why they left in the part about her getting hit with a rock.
I'm going to say again, I wished this was handled differently. I don't have a challenge with people disagreeing with what Seventh-day Adventists believe. But this is just beyond absurd. See you in part 3 👍🏾
Absurd how? What is absurd?
That’s just an assertion in search of an argument!
These women GET PAID to rant hatred about Adventists, they work for heretic Dale Ratzlaff's Life Assurance Ministries. He founded the LAM church after he was FORCED TO RESIGN as an Adventist pastor for causing trouble, and this is his way of making MONEY by selling his flawed books and promoting his equally flawed Proclamation magazine that Colleen is paid as editor. Colleen admitted to LAM readers that she was fired by the SDAs for something she did that was VERY BAD as an Adventist high school teacher. So now she wastes her life attacking Adventism. Same with her husband and Nikki, PAID to attack with confused ideas.
Be specific, please. I didn't hear anything absurd at all. It was accurate.
@@rebeccagable9629 Gable, there were many falsehoods in this video. SDAs have Bible truth.
29:42 Thanks so much for highlighting that Sis White said that the worst persecutors of the SDA movement will be former Adventist who have left the faith. I've been thinking about that the whole time since this series began last week.🙂
Nah that’s just typical cult speak to scare people to stay in the group. It’s classic it happens at Waco and TheJones Town cult, heavens gate etc. there is no mention in the Bible of a remnant church, but it does mention remnant people. The church in the Bible is not a denomination but the people
@@joey6838 So when Christians leave the faith and apostatize would it be ok to tell them they are lost and will be going to hell or is that cult speak?
@@lincolnliking your mixing the faith and church, and you have highlighted the cultishness of the sda church to leave is to be apostate who are you to judge someone who leaves adventism? And in regards to them being lost that’s what this ministry is about seeking the lost in adventism and btw where in the Bible does it say we should judge other Christian’s as to whether they are in the faith or not?
@@lincolnliking I've been told this many times by SDA's, family and friends. We put a "theological gun" to our heads and pulled the trigger when we left the Adventist church over doctrinal differences. Was it because we renounced Christ and his work on the cross? No. It was because we left the "Remnant Church of Bible prophecy", the one true church that had it all right. By turning our backs on the Remnant church, and with it, belief in the "Spirit of Prophecy" and Sabbath-keeping, we were lost. That was 17 years ago and to them we're still lost. Yes, that's straight up "cult speak".
@@joey6838 NO WHERE is Scriptures does it say Adventists, who believe in being Commandment-keeping people, will be "lost" simply because some radicals hate them, like they hated the early Christians and persecuted them. And remember, the Jews hatred and murdered many of their prophets, so this is NOTHING NEW.
Is there a video where you show the counterpart of an actual SDA theologian that can talk about these disputes these woman brought forth. Looking at both sides of the coin is beneficial
Stop the nonsense Nicholas we all know what you're about...
Refusing to accept past, and present sources that expose the sda church.
I grew up SDA. Never heard or understood the gospel there.
I had plenty of questions - saw too many gaps and got my mom angry all the time.
Cuz they don't understand the Gospel, sadly.
I never heard the Biblical Gospel, either (1 Cor. 15:1-4)...& was in SDA church & schools my whole life.
Thank you for this part 2 as well as part 1 regarding the SDA & Ellen White! I would be interested in hearing about the DATES of Ellen's prophecies of the Lord's return, other than 1845 & 1856. As a researcher & an outsider, I like to include scriptures that stand against ANY FALSE PROPHETS FROM THE PAST & NOW IN THE PRESENT. From what I've heard & read so far it's easy to see that Ellen was indeed a FALSE PROPHET...SHE MAY HAVE ALSO HAD BRAIN DAMAGE EARLY ON, but continued to 'play her role' in spite of her problems, HARMING MANY SOULS who were hungry for the Lord but were looking to this woman instead of looking to the Lord. PRAISE GOD FOR HE SO MERCIFUL & RESCUES THOSE WHO ARE OPEN TO THE TRUTH. I see this today w/ the SDA & many other cults that are exposed on the CULTS TO CONSCIOUSNESS CHANNEL & OTHER CHANNELS, AS WELL as LEADERS exploiting the flock b/c of their position & power in Christianity!!! I would love to see the two of you on the channel CULTS TO CONSCIOUSNESS...if you haven't checked that out, please do!
DT. 18:20--20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” (signifying the seriousness of the offense)
EZEKIEL 13:3-9---3 Thus says the Lord God, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets have been like jackals among ruins, O Israel. 5 You have not gone up into the breaches, or built up a wall for the house of Israel, that it might stand in battle in the day of the Lord. 6 They have seen false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘Declares the Lord,’ when the Lord has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfill their word. 7 Have you not seen a false vision and uttered a lying divination, whenever you have said, ‘Declares the Lord,’ although I have not spoken?”
JEREMIAH 14:14---14 Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
JEREMIAH 23:16---16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
MAT. 24:24---24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
2 TIM. 4:3-4---3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
TITUS 3:10 - A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; 2 JOHN 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, ..2 PETER 2:21-22--- It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”2 Peter 2:1-3 (NKJV) “But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time THEIR JUDGMENT has not been idle, and THEIR DESTRUCTION does not slumber.
1 JOHN 4:1---1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
31:00 So hold up, hold up, hold up. You're telling me that only Adventists believe that the government will persecute believers in the last days? You sure no other church teaches that? You sure? 🤔
Not persecuted because of Sabbath. Persecution will be about belief in Jesus, not Saturday/Sunday
@@mimiwest3256 the Lord’s day is the Sabbath. Christ’s day is the Sabbath. Prove me wrong. You dishonor the Sabbath you dishonor Christ. What is sin? Give me a definition.
Thank you!
Don’t mind me as I eat my chocolate over here. 🍫 with my tea 🫖. And adhd meds. Stimulated to the heavens.
Left a comment a day or two ago. Why was it deleted?
24:56 Seventh day Adventist do not believe that simply going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast though. But we do believe a law will be passed to enforce Sunday worship.
Again you are wrong
We have found the seal of God connected with his law, and in the third Angel’s message the worship and mark of the beast are put in contrast with the commandments of God and faith of Jesus; consequently they are in direct opposition;-the worship of the best is in opposition to the commandments and the faith in general, and the mark of that power stands opposed to the sign of God in particular. It is well known that the Roman church has not only corrupted the commandments of God, so as to allow of bowing down to images, but that she has changed and corrupted the institutions of the gospel-baptism and the Lord’s supper. To follow her in these corruptions is, at least to them that know the truth, a part of the worship of the beast. But the mark of the beast is not any one or all of these things, but a single, definite institution, opposed to the sign of God, which is a sign of his authority to make all these changes and corruptions of the word of God. It must therefore be a counterfeit Sabbath, instituted as a rival to the Sabbath of the Lord our God. Has the self-styled Catholic church given us such sign of her power? She has. Read carefully the following from the “Abridgment of Christian Doctrine,” a Catholic catechism of the first authority, from which I have already quoted:
Looking forward for a dialogue between you and an SDA apologist
What? members of the SDA chruch cannot defend their own faith? Are you an SDA? If so, what about it needs an answer here?
Its not going to happen.
Wonder if you’d have the guy from Bible Flock Box or some one else who is well versed in SDA beliefs on to answer the allegations the ladies have made. Would be more fair to hear two sides of the issues. To be honest, even though I am no longer an SDA, some of the allegations seem to be ad hominem or petty rather than substantive.
I agree, even if these ladies just give references for their claims...
@33:30 - I think another reason that Adventists, although they slander evangelical Christianity, are so desirous to be classified as evangelical Christians is two-fold, 1) to remove the label of "cult" from their "denomination", and 2) to try to continue in their goals of sheep stealing as the Millerite movement did - getting right into "Babylon" and converting people to Adventism before the "great time of trouble".
Why are you still promoting Higher Bond?! As I said on your first video on this topic, they have SDA listed as a denomination!
Why do I even bother being online? Nobody listens to me. It's like I'm entirely invisible.
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Not only is it weird to see a dating site promoted here, but to see this on an episode featuring 7th Day Adventism.
They call it a "denomination."
"Anyone is welcome to use Higher Bond! That being said, some of the more popular denominations include:
Anglican/Episcopal
Assemblies of God
Baptist
Catholic
Congregational/Continental
Lutheran
Mennonite/Anabaptist
Messianic
Methodist
Non-Denominational
Orthodox
Other
Pentecostal
Presbyterian
Protestant
Seventh-Day Adventist"
Where does the SDA get the idea that the second beast in revelation is a Bison, does Ellen say that somewhere since it is promoted by them?
To my surprise, I discovered some SDA books among our (baptist) church's children's books. After being able to articulate the grievous sda doctrinal errors, our pastor immediately instructed me to take them to the dumpster.
@YAJUN YUAN...that Satan will partially atone for the sins of God's people, for one. That's blasphemous.
@YAJUN YUAN In the 1884 edition of The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan (Chapter 18 - “The Sanctuary”) one reads the following words,
"When Christ, by virtue of his own blood, removes the sins of his people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of his ministration, he will place them upon Satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty. "
Christ alone already fully bore the sins of his people, [in the wilderness] outside the gates.
@@randall2762 Yes, that’s a central part of the investigative judgement. In fact Satan takes away all the sins as the goat that is led away. That is the biggest heresy - making Satan the ultimate sin bearer.
@YAJUN YUAN where should I look it up? Give me a reference. Direct me to where it will show me that Azazel is Satan.
@YAJUN YUAN From my studies (limited compared to yours): Torah[edit]
Mount Azazel (Jabel Munttar) in the Judean Desert
Cliffs of Mount Azazel (Jabel Munttar)
In the Hebrew Bible, the term is used three times in Leviticus 16, where two male goats were to be sacrificed to Yahweh and one of the two was selected by lot, for Yahweh is seen as speaking through the lots.[1] One goat is selected by lot and sent into the wilderness לַעֲזָאזֵל, "for Azazel". This goat was then cast out in the desert as part of Yom Kippur. The scapegoat ritual can be traced back to 24th century BC Ebla, from where it spread throughout the ancient Near East.[2][3]
In older English versions, such as the King James Version, the phrase la-azazel is translated as "as a scapegoat"; however, in most modern English Bible translations, it is represented as a name in the text:
Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering for himself, and shall make atonement for himself and for his house. He shall take the two goats and set them before the Lord at the entrance of the tent of meeting; and Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Azazel. Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord, and offer it as a sin offering; but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel.
- Leviticus 16:6-10, New Revised Standard Version
My god. I was brought up an SDA in the sixties and seventies in Australia and my experience of pathfinders was nothing like yours! Photos of kids with guns pointing at their heads as they play act running from the government? Come on! That is shocking. The people in Australia i was brought up with were more ordinary and more rational than that. Apart from a few people in our church with eccentric beliefs - which struck me as very old fashioned and literal - we were not scared of the government and never thought they would kill us for sabbath keeping! The investigative judgment stuff was totally peripheral. As a teenager i always thought Ellen White was archaic and a poor writer. She had little to offer me.
And God had a body? Oh, maybe my dad told me that when i was about 5, but i got over that pretty quickly. My parents had been members of other religions and they were relatively liberal in their approach.
Also, why does the younger woman keep referring to SDAs as opposed to "Christians"? I have never thought SDAs were anything other than Christian. And then the Christian music stuff, as though the musicians she mentions have an access to a higher knowledge and understanding than anyone else. Yeah, some musicians are cool, but after you're about 25, don't you get over that susceptibility to charisma? Dont you become educated about religious experience and philosophy and psychology and the rest of the world? Most of the world is not SDA, and most of the world is not Christian. And many Christians are not into beliefs much anyway, they just tolerate the odder beliefs because they want to belong to a church. The older woman is right about cognitive dissonance being common in the church. It's common everywhere there is an ideology.
I left the church in the late 70s when i was 18. I became an Anglican for a few years. I lost my Christian faith but i continued to educate myself. I am not a Christian, although i like certain aspects of it such as the richness and beauty of the old testament language and stories. I am a Buddhist more than anything, and have an interfaith orientation.
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Boy, I would love to debate these women.
Go for it....they know SDAism inside & out.
@@rebeccagable9629 That is your response. Wow. I can easily prove to you that they give many times a false report about adventism. If you deny our doctrines is one thing, but to give false historic reports and let things appear in a bad light is another thing which they need to give account on the day of judgment. I truly feel sorry, that you believe these two ladies, instead to prove for yourself - you should know better.
This is nothing but 2 women gossiping and slandering people who have more character in their little finger than they have in their whole body. Jealous gossips is all it is. But again I don’t understand what Salvation saves you from if you are of their Christian persuasion. From sin? What is sin then? All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Sin is breaking the law. What law? The Ten Commandments except the one that says remember, forget that one. EGW ate oysters. Really! Tying children to beds. Proof? These are bizarre allegations. No references mentioned. Seems like they’re just slinging mud hoping something sticks. They can say whatever they want these people are dead and they can’t defend themselves 😢. Vicious character attacks are hard to defend against. There is a reason people are innocent until proven guilty. It’s very easy to take quotes out of context for someone who’s written so much, but they didn’t bother to quote anything.
Apparently oysters were a popular food in the late 1800s. A quick goggle search lets you know this fact. Currently oysters are more of a decadent food item, but then it was commonly eaten. EGW at the time did not have a full understanding of clean and unclean and unhealthy food. They make it sound scandalous.
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@@nicetry620 prove it.
@@dr.g1482
Simple, "CITE THE SOURCE"
@@nicetry620 cite the sources you accept.
As someone who was an Aventist for my first fourteen years, I found it interesting to hear many ways that their theology differs from mainstream Christianity that I have been unaware of. However, the statement that Ellen White could not have been saved because of poor theology is in my mind also poor theology. I have no idea if she was or wasn't saved, but I don't think her poor Christology can be used to declare she wasn't.
9:22 Ellen White didn't say that everything she wrote was inspired though. That's false.
So this is what trolls do 😌
Because of how much she wrote, the sda usually minimizes what content of hers is "inspired"
@@debbiewoznicki2419 You mean watch a video and make comments as we watch? Yeah. I think so.
I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision-the precious rays of light shining from the throne.-Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 67.
As soon as I take my pen in hand I am not in darkness as to what to write. It is as plain and clear as a voice speaking to me, “I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go.” “In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct [make plain] thy paths.”-Manuscript 89, 1900.
She is clearly saying ALL OF HER WORDS are from God
@@lincolnliking Except she did lol. Someone above shared the sources. The Adventist church believes she was inspired no differently than that of the Biblical authors. To make this fit, they affirm "thought inspiration". They have entire theories around this to make Ellen work. But keep your head buried in the sand.
Can someone answer why there are so many different Christian denominations with different theology that believe in the Holy Spirit. Isn't that the reason the Holy Spirit sends prophets and prophets correct the churchs errors. Isn't sin defined in the Bible as transgression of the law. The Bible I believe in the book of James if you break one of the laws, you are guilty of breaking all of the law. So if we dont have to keep the ten commandments, it's ok to have graven images and pray to the images like the Catholic faith
10:00 Ellen White is now a controlling narcissist. Any professional diagnosis? No. Just their personal opinion. Nice 👍🏾
And if it was "professionally diagnised" then what? Would you accept.it.....
@@SolaScriptura21 No, but it would be nice 👍🏾
@@lincolnliking lol
I can tell if someone is a lunatic or not,no PHD here
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My daughter went to a christian event where sda were a part of. She came home saying they believe everything we do - she went through sin, Jesus death on the cross, resurrection, trinity, belief only not works, hell, heaven, everything. They denied EGW teaching as being before scripture. That the only minor difference is that they worship on Saturday and she on Sunday. My daughter was totally taken in by this, i tried to warn her that it's a cult but she said all you have to do is believe on Jesus and you will be saved. How can one argue that?
Doug Batchelor is going to drop a deuce when he sees this
My friend SDA Pastor Doug Batchelor has seen and heard it all. This hatred toward SDAs is nothing new to him or to most Adventists.
@@charity2275 It's not about hatred. It's about very unbiblical teachings and doctrines. SDA's have a very strong persecution complex. Anyone who disagrees with them is accused of hating them. That's just not the case.
@@mimiwest3256 WRONG. It is about hatred. As an Adventist since 1954, I have NEVER suffered a "very strong persecution complex." That's just STUPID. We are aware, thanks to the Bible and Ellen White what to expect in the Last Days before Jesus returns and for that we are GRATEFUL, because there is so much fake news out there in the media and spread by haters of Adventism. God is good to warn His people like He said he would. ALL of our doctrines are found in MY Bible! So to say they aren't biblical is nonsense. And I know what the mystery is about, soon to be revealed in depth in the book I am writing that will PROVE the critics are 100% wrong. And so is anyone foolish enough to believe their rants.
@@charity2275 Well, you just proved my point!
UPDATE:
Looks like @charity2275 removed her post that I responded to saying that she "proved my point". 🤔
@@charity2275 Let's see if he responds to this video like he did to the video
How Should Evangelicals View Seventh-Day Adventism? When it came to the subject matter of Ellen White, even though he tried to play down her role in the church by categorically denying it, he was clearly annoyed.What me laugh was that at the end of the video,he contradicted himself by gloryfiying her writings.
My ex-wife claims this denomination. Our daughter has been in private Adventist Christian school for 11 years now. She knows nothing of the history of the Adventist Church. Or their prophet. It's not talked about as openly as you might think.
Neither does my wife or her family. It’s very convenient to not mention aspects of a belief system which are faulty.
@@jaco7675 More untruths. What beliefs do Adventists hide? Should we jump up in funerals at churches when people say that their loved ones are in heaven looking down and smiling when we know that to be false, or do we consider their hearts and wait for a day when its more appropriate? Do we tell an alcoholic to obey the Lord and about the Sabbath before he is introduced to Jesus? What about Revelation seminars, should we tell people that the Papal power is the beast before they know about Jesus love for them?
You are a prime example. We dont try to alienate people who have been indoctrinated with so many lies that it is a part of their self image. We are careful with peoples minds and hearts. You always have the option - the freedom - to reject anything you wish, even the truth. But we handle new people with gloves to that point. Then, they can make their own decision.
You made a very harsh judgement. This is not Christian. You make it sound like we are evil liars looking to deceive. That, in its simplest form, is character assassination. It is equated to murder in the Bible.
Ellen G White and the Adventists teach and preach that , the Apostles all worked together to teach the entire world to become members of the Great Harlot. *And, that even in 90AD the Apostle John was commanding and begging people to leave the very Church the Apostle John and all the other Apostles belonged to.*
Chuck makes up a story and then tears it down.
Brothers and Sisters,
Please listen to an audio message called:
"AIMS OF THE PAPACY" by E.G. White
Vincent ndema it's been a while....to busy using other accounts 😏
It would be nice if you had people who, or women should I say, that had accurate information
It was very accurate.
Has anyone seen Mentally Challenge boys,Youth,Men or women in the sda church Worshiping GOD ? they are right there,loved and cared by adventist,accepted and welcome.
Don't forget...."And" required as official SDA members to accept the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH which was MANIFESTED through Ellen G White's writings..
Vow#8 and fundamental belief #18
@@nicetry620 Yes believe Ellen White was a prophet .and anyone who wants to get baptized and be a sda member is not forced to accept that.they do it willingly and freely.so what?
@@c19rebelmax52
So VOW #8 and fundamental belief #18 doesn't exist?
Is that you're final answer?
8:30 So wait a second. What does Ellen White being sickly have to do with her ability to read or write? You know what, nevermind 😂
Do you know how boring you are?? Same old same old from an SDA
@@joey6838 The goal wasn't to entertain so my comments might actually be boring. I'm just watching the video and commenting as I go on what I'm hearing. Is that a problem?
@@lincolnliking again you spout adventism with ignorance. So your comments are boring all Adventists who comment on these types of videos are boring because they say the same thing. Everything you are saying has been said before and disputed. You haven’t come on here to learn but to criticize and make out you know better. Come back when you’ve actually studied the real bible
That because she was sickly, she only went to school through the 3rd grade. Are you really listening to this? Because that's what was said pretty clearly.
Looking forward for the next one
Tony, why do you look forward to more falsehoods like are told in this video?
@@statutesofthelord No way this church teachings are antibiblical
@@tonyromero8284 So you are now agreeing that the Seventh-day Adventist Church's teaching are biblical?
@@statutesofthelord are you out of your mind no way the sda church is a false church and they are not Christians
@@hectorromero4375 Tony writes: "No way this church teachings are antibiblical".
Amen! Praise God!
So many lies here, it’s hard to know where to start. So disrespectful.
Beware of this troll account ⚠️👆 Dr G... who in a pattern of comments throughout the entire discussion section, making claims yet unable to produce evidence with real OFFICIAL sources and not his baseless opinions
Don't walk in the woods ladies. Bears lurk there.
early adventist were not clear on the trinity, because their understanding was developing. They all came from different backgrounds. Ellen White in the 1890's clearly spoke in favor of the godhead. These two ladies give not the full story what Adventist believe on it. They are misguiding people about Adventism.
35:25 Not even going to get into this quible over Justification by faith or righteous by faith. But you bring up an important point re Morris and Lee Venden. Both highly regarded Adventist Pastors who championed righteousness by faith. And, according to Morris Venden, where did he actually grasp clearest the view of righteousness by faith? A little book called Steps to Christ which he credits for radically transforming his Christian experience for the better. I wonder who wrote that?
The Bible is the only book to be credited with turning someone to Christ, there are no steps to Christ
It’s no small difference between “righteousness by faith” and “justification by faith”. It’s far from simply a “quibble”. In Adventism, righteousness is IMPARTED to you. You avail yourself to the “grace” of God who gives you the power to actually BE righteous…BY FAITH, but actually BE righteous you must. When Christians speak of “justification” it’s a legal declaration. A declaration that you are positionally righteous before a holy God, that is claimed by having faith in, or putting your trust in what Jesus Christ accomplished for us one afternoon in history. Christ's righteousness is IMPUTED to you or credited to your account and all that's needed to receive the gift is to recognize our sinfulness which offends the holiness of a perfectly righteous God, repent of it, and put our trust in Christ's substitutionary death in our place. Period. No works needed. No pouring over of our life history is needed in the “heavenly sanctuary” for hundreds of years to see if we deserve the “benefits of the atonement” and prove the “watching universe” that God is fair, as if God can be put on trial by finite, sinful beings. We need IMPUTED righteousness to save us rather than IMPARTED righteousness because, even as born again, forgiven Christians we still live in a fallen world and we still struggle sin. Our ONLY hope before a truly holy God, who owes us nothing other than punishment, is to point to Christ alone as the reason for our salvation and say, “I’m with Him.” These aren’t small, semantic differences here at all.
@@Cainky Seventh day Adventists believe in Justification by faith. See fundamental beliefs number 10. So I'm not going to argue over it. We know what we believe even if you don't.
@@lincolnliking Nothing in the wording of that FB negates the Adventist belief in imparted righteousness. You can read all about the impartation of righteousness in the "SDA's believe..." book that they reference. I read it for one of my SDA college courses. If justification means what you say, then there is zero reason for an investigation of the lives of PROFESSED CHRISTIANS to see if they are "worthy of the benefits of the atonement." If you're justified, declared righteous, this would be useless theater. Anyone who grew up in the church, went through SDA schools from first grade through two undergraduate degrees and a masters degree knows what the church teaches. Personally, I grew up in the center of Adventism in the LSU/LLU area attending both liberal and traditional churches and lived as an Adventist in the Midwest at Andrews and in the South. There are differences in them to be sure, but NONE of them believe that you are saved simply by trusting in Christ's finished work on the cross.
@@lincolnliking The kicker is that you'll never be able to fully grasp all the differences until you're out.
This podcast has just confirmed my suspicions about Ellen G White...thank you, guys...Ellen G White must have been a 33-degree initiate.
The problem for the Adventists and their like is the fact that nowhere in the entire bible does the Sabbath is binding upon the entire world, or Gentiles or Christians. You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. *For those who want the scriptural evidence that Christians are NOT obligated whatsoever to keep the Sabbaths of the Jews or meat distinctions, here it is right before your very eyes!* And, in this Chapter we find the foundation for *The Council of Laodicea in AD 347 which is nothing more than a reiteration of the decrees of Acts 15 by the Apostles themselves.* and the Anathema from the Apostle Paul in his epistle to the Galatians who stupidly taught the same thing as the Adventists and the Armstrongs. >
Acts 15
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the WHOLE church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
24 *Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:*
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, *who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.*
Acts 15:28 *For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost (GOD ALMIGHTY) , and to us, to lay upon you NO greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
• These are commandments from God Almighty to leave the Gentiles alone regarding any Jewish holyday, Sabbath, meat distinctions, tithing, or any other Jewish custom.
• ACTS 21:25 *As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe NO such thing*, save ONLY that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
There are NO sabbaths, no Jewish holy days, no Jewish New Moons, no Jewish tithing and leave the Gentile Christians ALONE!
You won't find one scripture anywhere in the entire bible telling anyone to keep the Sabbath except those in the circumcised Jewish community, period. NOT one single verse. This whole entire Sabbath argument from the Adventist is purely and public display of their bible ignorance and arrogance. The Adventist are guilty of falsely speaking for God, making void the commandment from God to leave the Gentiles alone and creating, Jewish fable and traditions of men, not from God. And, deliberately putting a stumbling block in the way of being Christian. For them, it's all about a pretended Sabbath keeping to hide their own sins.
The Sabbath is not required of Christians. The Fruits of the Spirit, which are by faith through the Grace of Jesus Christ are. See Gal.5:17-22 As Gal.5:22 "Against such there is no law!" Period,
Christ commanded the entire world to obey the Church, not pick up corrupt bible translation and start their own Church. The Adventists and their like just want to throw a stumbling block in your way, and they don't keep the Sabbath either.