Expressive E Touche - Sonic Lab Presentation
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- We had a visit from Expressive E - they showed us their Touche controller, which allows you to transform physical expression into MIDI CC and four channels of CV control.
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I should not have watched this. Now I really want one.
Same
but why, oh why, €400.00 ???
I have a disability in my right hand. I have always wanted an expression controller on my right when soloing a sound. Fab!
Just got mine today! As a guitar player, this finally introduces the kind of expressivity I am used to with the guitar!
I think i’d prefer this to an Osmose, even.
I love new technology & this thing is going to create a whole new era of synthesizer expression!! Super exciting!!!!
SynthgodXXX I get the feeling this is a glossy modulation pad with extras
kinda difficult to call this new technology
I bought it, and it is fabulous for my modular - real sensitive contact with timbres
the guy is a master of marketing, of music theory and he knows what is doing. one of the most cool presentation i ever seen. ps. the device is game changer and pretty useful. price of 400 usd is even correct for the age we're livin' in
This and a Moog Subsequent-37 and I doubt I'd ever leave the house. Amazing.
kid knows his stuff. Good job to ALL.
This video will never be an old one for me!
It’s full of awesomeness ❤
Very impressive device, great presentation by a modest but very talented guy. That CV gate trick with the response curves is cool.
This makes all your synths into a Roli Seaboard
After years of music production buying all sorts of gear I have found out that expressiveness is the most lacking in almost all electronic music compared to acoustic instruments. It doesn’t matter if you have a 3,000 dollar synth with 5,000 dollars worth of plugins if you only have note on note off articulations, maybe some lfo on the pitch or cutoff.
That just doesn’t compare to for instance a violin. The amount of articulations there are for 1 note is massive. Short, scratchy, short and stratchy, very short, plucked by the left or right hand, thick, thin, tremolo, wide or narrow vibrato, warm, thin, soft, loud, short or long glide, no glide, legato, and lots more that I don’t even know. And a good player can switch between all these techniques between the notes and even during the notes.
You can do all this with automation but to me that is such an unpractical and tedious way of making music. That is like 2 hours of drawing lines with a mouse to get the same thing you can do in 30 seconds on a real instrument. I can do a drum track on a real kits in 1 take and it will have incredible nuances in the loudness, the balance, how it progresses over time. Like when you are deep in the pocket you are making all kinds of lines with incredibly subtle ghost notes, subtle accents, locking with the bass, playing with micro timing, etc. To make a midi drum track and draw out all those velocities would take you days.
Something like the touche really fills that gap. Wind controllers are also amazing. Even some crappy init patch will sound good with the right articulations. Articulations is where it is at.
I just get the feeling this is a game changer for expressively playing any synth. Amazing amount of customisation and I know there are people knocking that the software is Mac only but I'm sure they will develop out for other platforms. This is a massive undertaking to get everything sorted for things like this at launch, software synths, hardware synths and CV! They sound like they are still developing hard for it so that's good enough for me. I want one! Going to see what damage it can do on my Vostock and Erabus!
Funny, I was just looking for an XY MIDI foot controller kind of like what the Zoom guitar multi-effect foot pedal has. I realized if I used an XY or even XYZ MIDI gyro controller Velcro'ed to my foot I could achieve the same effect sort of. Then this video showed up, literally uploaded a few hours after my brainstorm. I could probably adapt this to be a foot controller, but I think it would be great if they created an XYZ foot controller that was optimized for that purpose, as this looks like it's best for hands.
I'm a metal guitar player and my jaw dropped when I saw the video and for this and a violin
Amazing! Bought on sight! 🔥
I can't like this enough. Wow, bravo!
I might get one after they've implemented all the stuff that he says they're working on...
I am not a keyboard player and for sure won't be able to use this convincingly, but the thing is quite fascinating and I somehow like to have it anyway... I guess you have to practice some time to make really good use of it.
I'm going to play this with my foot.
How's it working out playing with the foot? Thinking of buying it, and that's really the way I wanna use it aswell.
That's what i thought to
but can one play it with one's miiiiyeeend...?!?
@@roccoharris yes the Mind controls the bodeeeeey..
Sonicstate always reppin that minilogue :)
hey guys, can now the pedal receiv Program change messages? thanks
I think I've found my newest Christmas wish item. I love my Seaboard Rise 49, and pairing that with this, would just be perfect. Coming from a violin background, I can really imagine the expressive control over an orchestra patch on a synth. Overblown brass, screeching violin stings to soft smooth sweeps and choppy string bouncing. I've heard some great sample library string and brass sounds and expressive examples but thought they would be difficult to perform. This really looks like the missing link to physically controlling the sound timbre above and beyond a piano keyboard. Sure expression pedals and mod wheels are great, but it's all about the physical feedback a controller gives you. You could open a filter with a pedal while adding a mod wheel vibrato, sure. But that's 2 limbs and for anyone who's played drums can tell you, limb independence takes time and practice. You can control pressure, X and Y movements with just one hand. I'm also really impressed with the level of personal resistance adjustment you can make by taking the top off the controller.
Very cool!
I hope you soon will be releasing the app for windows, then I really would consider buying it.
Same here. Can't add this to my Christmas list yet lol.
I've been using a Linnstrument over the last few years, which is great, but there are aspects of how this works that makes me think a Touché would suit my style better, together with a normal MIDI keyboard. An Osmose would have been ideal, but that's definitely out of my budget range.
This is very informative, and a game changer. Thank you
Been jonesing for this since the NAMM announcement. Hoping to use it for Eurorack, standalone HW and AU plugins. Please, please, please make the software work with 10.8 (or even Windows 10). I'd really like to try Lié too. I'd already be playing with one by now if it did! Thanks Nick & thanks Arthur!
you didn't touch ;-) on the max for live plugin?!? oh well, I'm sold. Just order one in a open box sale :-) I could see myself getting a second one.
This is an amazing and complex technology! Great device. I think this will change live performance. I Love when people invent new instruments that really make a difference.
Great piece of gear. Very impressive.
Can't wait too get mine 🙂
incredibly informative - thanks so much
Genius product still.
uhh how is the software not on pc?
@ 8 mins in there is a list of what looks like compatible instruments. If your Instrument isn’t on the list of compliant synths, does it simply not work and do we have to rely on Expressive doing further software updates? Sounds like I need to check first if my hardware is listed before I buy one? Update: my synths are not on the template list. Aah well. I like the product but I wouldn’t build my studio hardware around it.
Hello! Love the videos! Touché is amazing! I love using it! I play live techno, and it definitely adds another element to the performance. I would love to see more tutorials and/or info on program changes or short cuts. I figured out a couple of workarounds, but there may be an easier way. There are not a lot of tutorials on touché yet. I'm not sure if I misunderstood, but I thought Arthur said something about presets and program changes but he didn't elaborate on the matter. I'm hoping later you will revisit touché and go into it a little deeper.
Muy bien..very good..buen pedal expresivo y funcional..bien animo con todas las cosas y vayamos todos con alegrías siempre a mejor...
Please make lié on windows pc's and ios!
Edit: The software is now available for Windows 10 :)
Original: macOS only for the required Lié software. Seems pretty arbitrary given that it is available in VST format, can only host VSTi, and was demonstrated in a cross-platform DAW. Bummer. I was seriously considering getting one. (I found out it was Mac-only when I went to the order page on the Touché site.)
One more strike against hardware that requires software to fully function.
Hmm, sorry i didnt ask that particular question. My bad.
That is very disappointing.
Same here
Mac only is a deal breaker for me.
Judging from the website, they now provide a download of Lié for Windows.
Really intresting but is it built well enough to be used like a footpedal or will it just break after 15 minutes?
Not really designed to use your feet with it, though I'm sure it can be done, its more for your hands
Still wanting one of these after playing with it at Superbooth. Just really has a very playable feel...or "organic" as Nick says. Shame about the Mac-only software though.
i, can the pedal be connected to a Mellotron Mini piano?
Jeezzzz... this is something... wow, so much possibilities :D
sold
What happens to the modulation effects if you want to edit the midi notes recorded in your daw?
Can we use it with Propellerheads Reason ?
I should think so its got MIDI USB control so no reason why not, though at present its Mac only.
This would have been great before they invented MPE, this is two handed MME - it is like the controller the 70's never had but needed.
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I would love to go with this. I went for the Rise 49 which I love, especially for solo instrument playing. The problem with Touche, despite its obvious potential, is where do you put it if you are using say a 61note keyboard on a stand( like an Apex?) for live, ie performance ? Fine for a 25 note on a desktop but beyond that....? Problematic I'd venture ?
I DO WANT !
OOPS Got one ! I will find a way !
very very cool toy wow
They should make one for your feet.
I would love to sit down right on some controller, and use my windy part to play some music.
That's a great idea!
Just us it with your feet/foot
Will this work with MPC Live? Anybody know? Nobody seems to.
There's a 3D mouse that does something similar with rotation plus Z axis also and there's software for it but the software isn't great. I'd rather have the 3D mouse tbh, just wish it had better software.
Can we plug it to a microphone and sing with expression?
Looks really cool, but spendy for what it is. A tiny company, so I understand why. With my Linnstrument and Moog MP-201, I'm pretty set for expressitivity, but this would be nice to have.
Edit - Mac only for the configuration software? Show stopper. Bummer
So can it learn now? Anyone use this with their feet?
It's a very neat looking device, but all I've seen hasn't convinced me that it could fit into my workflow at all.
There are guitar effect pedals that have MIDI expressivity and those that use a foot pedal can this unit access those effect parameters and morph between them, if the pedal supports it?
audiblevideo Great question! If the pedal supports cv for expression control I think it should work well. It would be great for synth users who use outboard effects. Not so much for guitarists but I'm sure someone will demonstrate a great use for it.
What's not to like about this? That my lack of musical skills will shine through? Also at the moment it's only for mac.
WOW.....this is amazing.... it only works with a synthesizer? Sorry looked it up and it works with keyboards also....Does anyone know what the difference with the SE is....
SE is only USB . Not MIDI
Windows version apparently on the way.
Is it waterproof?
On the moon, yeah!
Don Segers I just want to know if it will withstand my salty tears from all that expressiveness.
gary abbot don't douche a touché
i was sad to see that they have not made a preset for the new Moog Model D synthesizer.
Make your own.
Wondering what NRPN or (what sounded like) sixaxis/sys access is.
SysEx is 'system exclusive' messages which are basically for programming deep and unusual digital programs. For instance you can access the regular Midi CC numbers on a Microkorg XL but if you wanted to change the effects on the device you'd have to control it via it's SysEx. NRPN I believe relates to messages in a DAW, for instance record/stop etc. They're both basically more indepth and machine/DAW specific languages.
NRPN: let me Google that for you: bfy.tw/E7fr
And no, it's not DAW specific. It's part of the MIDI spec. It's a way of extending the limited set of 128 midi continuous controllers.
Quite pricey, but also seems very well designed. Can't help drooling a little.
I tried this at NAMM. At first, I laughed, because it looked like a cobbler's shoe tree or something. But after using it, I was impressed.
So it doesn’t do pitch bend?
It can do
sonicstate Great, thanks for that.
Will it work in Logic Pro X?
It sends midi so yes you can either map the midi output or use the companion software Lie as shown in the vid
Can it send cv, midi and usb midi simultaneously to control multiple instruments at the same time ?
Yes I beleive so. Though the MIDI/USB are the same data I dont think you can address those ports separately
Have Touche SE, and use Lie /Reaper. Cool ! Leaning to full Touche', but no help here with clear inderstnading of hardware synth connections, and choices. Looks like DeepMind 12 will be good, Using Prophet 5, and Trigon 6. Total lack of understanding how Touche will be connected and function to its full capability. Touche presenter in top speed mode, and little clue what true potential is. 🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂
omg. i will drum on that thing like a caveman.
more flexibility than the Roli Seaboard!
can you stack up CV ? 2 CVs from the moog hooked up on one output ?
You can send up to 4 CVs on a single axis, or shifting as they call it, each CV out can go to the destination of your choice. If thats what you mean?
6:20-6:30, Damn.
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I'd like to see something like this for your feet. Imagine a 4 axis foot controller, so a guitar or bass player can have the same level of interaction with their sound.
KMI Softstep 2 is pretty close
This thing is high on my GAS list...
That's a game changer eh.
just a warning that this thing is a complete pain in the ass to use with hardware synths. it's entirely trial and error, going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth from your computer to your synth to get it right. you have to do this for each different synth, too. it works great with most plugins in its native environment but unless you have an entire day to devote to wrestling with the hardware synth process it's not worth the trouble. if there was some kind of "learn" mode where you could turn a knob and then select a quadrant on the device it'd be amazing.
Very useful to know. Thanks!
This thing is cool but why is this guys ear piercing at the bottom of his earlobe??? Lol
cool but too expensive, I think 200€ is ok🤔😕
Hahaha. "Notation Pig" 😄
one trick pony that everybody got bored of quite quickly just look at how many posts there are in Reverb. lmao
How come this sounds so good and ROLI sounds so bad?
Neither of them make a sound. not sure what you mean
I meant almost every demo of a ROLI keyboard controller just sounds really artificial and silly to me, whereas this seems to be a more musical / sensible concept and is, IMO more the direction controllers should go! The ROLI style keyboards will have their day in about 10 years when materials science, nanotechnology and electrical engineering is more advanced!
quite stupid if you ask me, but you didn´t
Second thought I see a mother 32 there so I can relate to that give me 3--- bollocks
really nice product, this presenter makes me extremely nervous though
Just a modest guy who is not used to do presentations. But, he knows what he is talking about.
And he's not speaking his native language.
@@synriser6742But no questions around hardware compatibility. In other words, is your hardware supported?
So it's a foot pedal w/ software that only works in Ableton and the software won't work when MacOS 15 comes out in thee years? And *no* Windows, iOS, Android or Linux Pfffff. You must be joking! When _will_ they ever learn that software is dead. :-(
You can set up up to 32 standalone onboard configurations and use it with hardware synths in standalone mode. He mentions it in the first 5 minutes of the video.
Thanks for that clarification. However: its still a foot pedal, isn't it?
A hand pedal, i guess. An odd one. Actually, it reminds me of something else - there was a synth that had a weirdo 3D mod wheel you could also tilt sideways and depress, but the name escapes me.
get a ps4 joystick configured to work with midi lol
its a pretentious device to enlarge penis sizes
Love the concept but can it be preset and stand alone with no pc?
no