As a vanilla mage I kinda loved MC. I could chat with people in the guild channels, could eat, talk to people around and still do perfect numbers. Even BWL had its charm. From that point on though it became less and less a "stand and hit" thing and instead it was a "do rotations, move there, press that, do this and then that and jump there and whatnot", fergedsakes Blizzard, this is NOT an arcade. It's a CRPG.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis They trying to copy ff14 where instead of being able to learn anything intuitively you need to read an essay or watch videos to memorize/spoil the fight completely before doing it.
if i cared about lots of mechanics and precise execution id play fighting games or rts not wow. hell even arena is more fun than pve with a million mechanics
Try play feral druid or enh shammy in wotlk. As hard as retail specs. But yeah in vanilla classic it's mostly feral druid dps and warriors that can stick out.
I raid in a classic guild since tbc with a full friends & family raid and staying awake has been a legitimate issue for me. I genuinely start falling asleep because of how unengaging the content is.
@@Bacon-egg-cheese Heal or Tank instead of playing DPS, or play Feral (Vanilla, TBC, Wrath) or Enhancement (Wrath). Vanilla WoW Feral DPS is far more complicated and difficult to play optimally than even most of Retail's DPS specs, unfortunately you still wouldn't top the meters by doing so but that's not the real reason to play a complex spec. Wrath Feral and Ehn are just as complicated as Retail specs, harder than many of them still (though they did recently make feral a little less complicated).
Lets see a comparison of blood death knights playing a roller coaster game with their health bar while their healers freak out as the death knight spams heart and death strike 😂
Behold! The era where the panicle of caster gameplay was standing still and hitting one or two buttons (any Classic and TBC caster) vs now where you are running around like a fighter jet (Evoker)
The leveling and overall convenience in Vanilla is definitely harder than retail. Retail is in general more casual friendly than Vanilla, so that's why people said that sentence. But comparing today's mechanics with a game that's almost 20 years older is just for the memes. Ridicule the veteran Vanilla wow players without knowing what you talk about is just lame. You will be surprised how many gems you will find in the retro gaming era because it's from a time were money and greed was less involved than in today's 'modern gaming'. Goodluck :)
@@whitecow13 I played tbc and wotlk and now classic era and leveling is the only part which is actually harder than retail. I can also give you advice for gaming: "be always open for new stuff you might get a surprise"
@@jointser1008 thans for the advice, but don't worry i play alot of modern games aswell. As for wow i just prefer the classic game because of the leveling experience is the part i enjoy the most in an mmorpg. All the adventures and new people i meet along the way is what makes the game memorable for me. But everyone can play the flavor what brings you the most joy. So no need to look down on one version :). Goodluck!
WoW is a stupid ass game compared to any real competitive game like League, DOTA, CSGO or Valorant and it's funny that their own community says shit like Classic is worse or easier than retail WoW just because there you don't have to memorize 1000 mechanics instead of just playing a fucking PVE game
Players back then liked that there was a big chatroom that was also a game. We didn't really care about being pro or any of that crap. Just hanging with friends. In TBC I mostly just hung around the gate by the pvp queue and dueled my friends. We were all poverty level geared because we didn't really raid or run heroics much. It was so fun.
Funny my friend who played since classic was literally the other day telling me that doing anything else other than frost bolt on a raid boss was a dps loss and I was laughing then this vid just showed up on my page and I was laughing so hard
Reminds me of my time playing back in TBC retail and having music streaming on Ventrillo while we cleared Karazhan every week. Miss awesome raid nights like those.
The dancing part is actually very accurate funnily enough. Gnome Sequencer, the addon cheaters use to automate practically all gameplay actions, has over 6 million downloads now. It's on retail too, but crafting a macro sequence to accurately predict and execute a rotation with retail mechanics and rotations to be as good as an actual player playing well has not really been done too well yet. On Classic however, I've seen streamers with like a few dozen lines of macros in the thing and it maximizes DPS and HPS lmao. You can literally "play" while dancing. Gnone Sequencer players all claim to be fully disabled players with no way to play otherwise...but there's zero chance of that. It'd be mean every quadriplegic person in the world and more would be playing WoW. Thankfully, there's been rumors that blizzard is looking to fully remove the addon as they bring in a better, legal way for actually disabled to play (the adaptive controller support is one of these measures) that doesn't allow botting like GSE does.
I’ve never heard of it by name, but i have heard people talk about an addon potentially being banned that helps disabled gamers. Like you said a lot of people that use more than likely are not disabled. Thanks for the info on it
Vanilla arcane does not exist, arcane blast was introduced with tbc. Well okay you could press arcane missiles like 7x and go oom without doing any damage and call that arcane for vanilla i guess.
It's funny how wow the boss mechanics became just several things for you to dodge while hitting or healing... whoever thought of the current mechanics was inspired by Cuphead?
I love this meme I do like raiding in both expansion i always do full heroic clears and do some mythic bosses and i still very much enjoy classic raiding in many cases i do enjoy it even more. Its way different though and it gets too much compared with retail.
Mythic hardcore? Bro in retail it's a wipe if a single person dies on a mythic boss, need everyone playing perfectly the entire time. Damn now I lowkey want to try out Dragonflight and mythic raiding again 😂
That’s right, things did indeed get harder and more challenging. Haha. Boss fights are just puzzles that requiere solving as a group. It’s not bad, it if you want to do Mythic it can be intimidating. Especially if you can’t find a group that has the same mindset as you.
@@davidsantiago7808 He wasn't even saying he dislikes classic, most likely his comment means he finds the content in retail more engaging. Yet your boomer brain immediately goes ''RETAIL BAD, NOSTALGIA GOOD'' in an objectively garbage 20 year old mmo walking simulator with poor quality of life updates. You're getting farmed by Blizzard for 2 decades now and you still don't realise it, get a grip.
@davidsantiago7808 Castle Nathria and the two Dragonflight raids (so far) are objectively good. You're kinda fried, mate. I also spent about 55 days /played on my vanilla classic warrior at lvl 60. The only good vanilla raid is BWL. Classic has a lot of merit, but retail raids, especially so far in Dragonflight, are more fun.
@@generaljouf I'm 21 and I just started playing wow a year ago. I started with retail and switched to classic and I'm having infinitely more fun. In retail if you're a noob you get flamed by other players in m+ dungeons. On top of that anything you want to work towards can be bought with real money. Mount? Buy it. Gear? Buy it. Enchants? Buy it. Max level character? Buy it. The only thing you can't really buy is ahead of the curve, but even that can be bought if you know the right guild. It made my entire experience sour and it felt hollow to achieve anything. I switched to classic vanilla and my experience was way better. The community is great, everyone is friendly. There's plenty of both factions running around in contested areas so I can pvp in the open world while leveling. There's no wow token so even though rmt does exist most of the goals and achievements in the game are at least somewhat worth something. To me it isn't about the skill or technicality of the game, it's about if the game is good. And quite frankly retail sucks.
Classic was a true MMORPG, Retail is an Instance Arcade game. Yes for sure Retail mechanics are harder, but i still prefer the RPG aspects of classic. And don't forget, that on Vanilla we used to raid with 300ms, 7-15 fps, 4-8 disconnects each boss, no world buffs, no hit gear (i was top dps as hunter and never used a hit gear), no youtube videos, etc....
@@skyamerico wow has never had "real RPG" as much I also think wow would be a beter mmoRPG it is bad in both versions. If you can give me one decent reason why classic has beter RP sure but I don't believe it is. Have fun all you want in classic I myself played it too (the iteration now and the OG days) and had a blast but saying it is objectively beter than retail is just wrong sorry. If in your opinion classic is more fun enjoy man! I'm glad it is an option for you.
@@user-zg5ew2bm7l what elements? the dk bots in pve and pvp, the social interactions that are basicaly the same with a guild in retail, taking hours to get a lvl sounds like a huge waste of time
Classic: move out of the fire. You didn't move? Move now! That's right, get a healing, don't worry. Retail: Oh no! That mage used the mechanic in 5.001 seconds instead of 5.002!! WIPE EVERYONE! GKICK MAGE!
@@dabufy3683 yeah, those classic raids are very very easy compared to raids that come after, very limited by mechanics. The hardest part of vanilla/classic is and was having the patience to grind through levels.
I went back to retail recently after break for many years and can confirm, this is how retail is now. I felt like i was playing some sort of platformer, jump here dodge there move out move in spread out group up.
@@dennisdubose2444 No, that is not what I said, but I can see English is not your first language so I understand your confusion and poor spelling and grammar.
People seem to be misunderstanding my OP. I had no trouble playing retail for the month or so I went back recently. My issue is that the core gameplay loop is not enjoyable. If I wanted to run around in circles like a nutcase there are games that do that far better and don't require a monthly sub.
And that is the problem with retail wow. A game where you must download curse client and download 30 addons on top! That is incongruous…. And then you have Classic wow, simplicity at its finest! We want classic plus now!
Honestly. I would love if we could have something in the middle where I have to pay attention to a couple key mechanics and have a few buttons in the rotation but dont feel like I need to take a PhD to understand a boss before going at it (with addons installed to cover my screen with instructions). But it's nice for raids to just be chill, don't fuck up the 1-2 mechanics, and feel the progress from the gear you've got for your characters. Being hyperfocused with every piece of content, managing a half dozen different mechanics and constantly weaving between dodging and soaking every 6 seconds (and keeping track of who's turn it is to soak), only for the progress to boil down to "item level go up" (without actually really being able to feel it because of how obfuscated your damage is behind procs rather than baseline ability damage)... its just a little exhausting honestly
@@BigMuskachini Are there any decent TBC pservers? The only one with a sizeable population that i know is stormforge netherwing, and well... let's just say they might as well replace the Orgrimmar music with ching cheng hanji considering how many chinese bots they've got on that server. I am only asking because TBC is also my favorite, and the only big private servers out there are Vanilla and WOTLK, and tbh i prefer TBC over either of those.
Started leveling a new char on wotlk during the exp bonus. The number of dungeon groups with absolutely awful players is scary lol. Literally had to teach a few dk tanks how to play their class because i was ooming every pull as healer, these tanks were pulling huge and literally doing 0 healing with death strike 😂 . Im like make sure you apply your diseases or it won’t heal, one didn’t even know what diseases were lol. After explaining hes like lol didnt feel like reading 3 paragraphs im lazy. Queues as tank 😂
Algalon is pretty difficult if your teammates are drooling morons. I think the only really fun mechanical fight in Ulduar is Mimiron Hardmode because that's all about positioning and space management. I still haven't killed Algalon but will this coming week. I was with a bad guild that only recently got it down.
I play in a guild with a lot of bad players and you would be surprised how hard the content can feel when people manage to kill themselves almost every single pull in some stupid way. The amount of times we are out of brezes after Mimi p1 because some people like to play minesweeper is actually astonishing. And we can't even do Algalon because our dps is mathematically too low to beat him before enrage. So I guess there's still plenty of people who find the content pretty challenging. Though that says more about them than the content.
This is so true. Yet people be like "Classic is much harder" They have no CLUE!!!!! I played Resto druid in Naxx but got BORED cause you litteraly stand there waiting for stuff to do between heals instead of weaving. tsk tsk
i think the primary difference is some people think "the game" is endgame raiding, whereas others think it's the leveling process + general endgame, or some other slice. if you don't first agree on a definition then you'll never agree on the terms. Leveling in classic is infinitely more difficult than in retail, for instance. Earning gold- same thing. Achieving various character milestones such as high level/professions/items/mounts all more difficult or time-consuming as well. Comparing specifically the high-end raiding mechanics in a game's earliest years with its latest and then drawing a wider conclusion simply doesn't work.
@@geissler91 you hit the nail about classic. Time consuming. In Retail you can fly to China in 10mins. In Classic you have to fight through murlocs for 3 days to get to same place. Then your friend logs in and you cant play together cause then guess what. 3 more days of Murlocs 🤣
@@geissler91 re-professions, I disagree. I was BS/Eng in classic and tbc, and Eng/JC in wrath. Professions in classic have always just been money pit - it isn't difficult or particularly time consuming.
@@geissler91 Because leveling is not really a thing anymore. Classic leveling is tedious, not hard - you literally do fuck all for half time because you sit and drink. Also mounts are much harder in retail, that doesn't even compare. Time consumption =/= difficulty. It's a time waste. Professions hard in classic? You mean just throw gold at it as you can do in retail?
Depends on the boss, quite often ranged players get to do more mechanics and greeding for casts is more interesting than melee uptime. I switched from warrior to mage in Legion because melee uptime gameplay felt too binary to me
Some people actually think that, and haven’t tried retail in years. I do think a lot of the classic/wrath community don’t necessarily care about doing challenging content though, and some just create the illusion they are 😂
Classic was and is easy, but that's precisely the point. It makes for a chill and fun game. In retail you have to run for your life every 5-10 seconds, it's no longer a game, it's like a very intensive job.
classic is for the mentally aged players who cant react to swirlies on the floor anymore. No disrespect but their dedicated bullshitting to try to make classic look like challenge compared to retail is sad and pathetic.
Игры
Eclair de givre
giving eclairs? damn they're 5 quid each here
@@Chewy427 more like Frost lightning
Eclair de Givre lessgong
@@nhmgrj no fucking way really
@@Chewy427 there is a reason mages get whispers for food all day
Damn my boy didn't even break a sweat spamming that frostbolt, inspiring.
Parser legend
As a vanilla mage I kinda loved MC. I could chat with people in the guild channels, could eat, talk to people around and still do perfect numbers. Even BWL had its charm. From that point on though it became less and less a "stand and hit" thing and instead it was a "do rotations, move there, press that, do this and then that and jump there and whatnot", fergedsakes Blizzard, this is NOT an arcade. It's a CRPG.
@@PhilipAlexanderHassialis They trying to copy ff14 where instead of being able to learn anything intuitively you need to read an essay or watch videos to memorize/spoil the fight completely before doing it.
@@SirZipper Crazy how those Blizzard devs just copied fight design from Square before they even made XIV 🤣
autohotkey works wonders for WoW.
a single retail boss has more mechanics than 3 classic expansions combined
Imagine defending a dead game. Disgusting.
@@Smuffins42069 I like this comment, becouse every person that will read it will think about different game :D
doesn't matter, still a hot mess.
if i cared about lots of mechanics and precise execution id play fighting games or rts not wow. hell even arena is more fun than pve with a million mechanics
@@Smuffins42069Classic Andy?
I'll never get tired of this meme format. I just love the paypone singing guy's vibe in comparison to the sweaty guy.
Classic raiding can be challenging. To stay awake.
This comment made my day! xD
Jokes aside, i LOVED 1-60 in classic. 15 minutes into my First Molten core run and I was honestly half asleep
Try play feral druid or enh shammy in wotlk. As hard as retail specs. But yeah in vanilla classic it's mostly feral druid dps and warriors that can stick out.
I raid in a classic guild since tbc with a full friends & family raid and staying awake has been a legitimate issue for me. I genuinely start falling asleep because of how unengaging the content is.
idk it seems to me the classic guy is having much more fun doing something simple and entertaining rather than dodging 500 mechanics at the same time
@@Bacon-egg-cheese Heal or Tank instead of playing DPS, or play Feral (Vanilla, TBC, Wrath) or Enhancement (Wrath). Vanilla WoW Feral DPS is far more complicated and difficult to play optimally than even most of Retail's DPS specs, unfortunately you still wouldn't top the meters by doing so but that's not the real reason to play a complex spec.
Wrath Feral and Ehn are just as complicated as Retail specs, harder than many of them still (though they did recently make feral a little less complicated).
He didn't stop casting frostbolts while dancing) Insane man
He’s just a gamer
macro
Simply a difference in skill.
Autoclicker
Footpedal bound to Frostbolt kekw
Those firedup pov's really hit different. His brain runs at like 8000% speed
Imfiredup is an actual superhuman
Firedup is the matrix.
Easily top 3 best PvE players of all time
Lets see a comparison of blood death knights playing a roller coaster game with their health bar while their healers freak out as the death knight spams heart and death strike 😂
Good healers knows how fast the blood dk tank finishes a rotation.
@@gandalf8216 ultra gay
@@vitorodino8760 but you like it
@@vitorodino8760 I thought your gen hated that word
Had healers freak at bdks hp being spikey, decent healers understand that's normal, and hp isn't the issue, range and runic power is
This guy keeps spamming frostbolts even when he's away from the keyboard, dancing in the middle of the room. What a skill. What a legend.
Absolute gamer legend
plus if you notice in the bottom right corner's 'table he's the 3rd best damage dealer in the raid . Truly a fucking legend
Behold! The era where the panicle of caster gameplay was standing still and hitting one or two buttons (any Classic and TBC caster) vs now where you are running around like a fighter jet (Evoker)
Haha i recently tried retail again, and i was playing evoker a bit, and that’s exactly how i felt 😂
Same
Me as Lock 0.1 sec After cast Start
Void under me
Every time
Evoker: "IMA FIRIN MAH LAZOR"
You dont need to compare classic mage to evoker just compare mage to intself
hahaha evoker healing is a bliss
Man did you see how close that frostbolt cast was? Insane classic plays right there!
The end got me dead when he stood up and started dancing.
I thought they were the same person until that moment.
I asked you to do a raiding comparison on your last video and you did not disappoint. Thank you lol.
I read every comment. I appreciate the feedback and suggestions always, keep them coming!
Thanks for reminding me how amazing the Xy'mox and Jailer fights were
Xymox mythic was pure perfection
idk what the original context is to this day but im so happy that dude was feelin himself that day that clip has provided so many funny videos lmao
Man, using imfiredup clips for this made it 20 times better. Man doesn't even sweat or blink when making those sick plays in retail.
The 🐐
"Vanilla was so hard you kids don't even know with this baby game"
👴 “back in my day!!!!”
The leveling and overall convenience in Vanilla is definitely harder than retail. Retail is in general more casual friendly than Vanilla, so that's why people said that sentence. But comparing today's mechanics with a game that's almost 20 years older is just for the memes. Ridicule the veteran Vanilla wow players without knowing what you talk about is just lame. You will be surprised how many gems you will find in the retro gaming era because it's from a time were money and greed was less involved than in today's 'modern gaming'. Goodluck :)
@@whitecow13 I played tbc and wotlk and now classic era and leveling is the only part which is actually harder than retail. I can also give you advice for gaming: "be always open for new stuff you might get a surprise"
@@jointser1008 thans for the advice, but don't worry i play alot of modern games aswell. As for wow i just prefer the classic game because of the leveling experience is the part i enjoy the most in an mmorpg. All the adventures and new people i meet along the way is what makes the game memorable for me. But everyone can play the flavor what brings you the most joy. So no need to look down on one version :). Goodluck!
WoW is a stupid ass game compared to any real competitive game like League, DOTA, CSGO or Valorant and it's funny that their own community says shit like Classic is worse or easier than retail WoW just because there you don't have to memorize 1000 mechanics instead of just playing a fucking PVE game
Players back then liked that there was a big chatroom that was also a game. We didn't really care about being pro or any of that crap. Just hanging with friends.
In TBC I mostly just hung around the gate by the pvp queue and dueled my friends. We were all poverty level geared because we didn't really raid or run heroics much. It was so fun.
"A big chatroom that was also a game" is the perfect way to describe how I saw the game. I miss it. :(
not only wow but most games. I played tibia in the same regard
This shit made me laugh so freaking hard. And not even that loudly but I felt it deep in my gamer heart. 💀😂
Give me classic raids all day, i just wanna chill with the boys and have a good time
If you don’t wipe 500 times
They have their charm for sure.
casual guilds who only do normal and heroic are exactly like that lol
Plenty of people chill in retail has nothing to donwith gameplay speed. Unless ur a braindead boomer of cors
Do lfr then
looks like the classic guy has way more fun^^
Having fun versus having a second job.
This meme never gets old. 🤣
I've mained a mage since 2010 - this is HILARIOUS!
I'm in love with this video.
Lmao that classic clip so good
Funny my friend who played since classic was literally the other day telling me that doing anything else other than frost bolt on a raid boss was a dps loss and I was laughing then this vid just showed up on my page and I was laughing so hard
I love how he continues casting when he is dancing!! Nostalgia!
max's face on firedups dodges of the balls kills me. lmfao.
i feel like i might acually fall asleep doing mage in classic
Reminds me of my time playing back in TBC retail and having music streaming on Ventrillo while we cleared Karazhan every week. Miss awesome raid nights like those.
The first retail boss fight was the perfect choice
FiredUp is an absolute legend
My song for Ragnaros was Deja Vu.
The drop syncs perfectly with him becoming attackable if you start it when they talk to domromamamamamammru
He looks so happy!
Well his dance moves are crisp I'd fail more likely at that.
The dancing part is actually very accurate funnily enough. Gnome Sequencer, the addon cheaters use to automate practically all gameplay actions, has over 6 million downloads now. It's on retail too, but crafting a macro sequence to accurately predict and execute a rotation with retail mechanics and rotations to be as good as an actual player playing well has not really been done too well yet. On Classic however, I've seen streamers with like a few dozen lines of macros in the thing and it maximizes DPS and HPS lmao. You can literally "play" while dancing.
Gnone Sequencer players all claim to be fully disabled players with no way to play otherwise...but there's zero chance of that. It'd be mean every quadriplegic person in the world and more would be playing WoW. Thankfully, there's been rumors that blizzard is looking to fully remove the addon as they bring in a better, legal way for actually disabled to play (the adaptive controller support is one of these measures) that doesn't allow botting like GSE does.
I’ve never heard of it by name, but i have heard people talk about an addon potentially being banned that helps disabled gamers. Like you said a lot of people that use more than likely are not disabled. Thanks for the info on it
Just spec frost. Spam frostbolts until flurry glows, then use ice lance. Rinse and repeat.
I lost it when he stood up
more mechanics than a Firestone Tire Shop
Hahaha 🤣
imfiredup is cracked man ... mad skills !
man was feelin it
MASTERPIECE
Vanilla is eternal.
Man, just imagine classic arcane vs retail arcane.
Now that would be a fucking roller coaster right there 😅
classic arcane didn't get invited to the raid
Vanilla arcane does not exist, arcane blast was introduced with tbc.
Well okay you could press arcane missiles like 7x and go oom without doing any damage and call that arcane for vanilla i guess.
Pretty accurate. Mythic raids I'm full try hard mode. Classic raids I got my feet on the desk chilling using 1 hand half the time to press attacks.
when that kid got up to dance i started laughing so hard
It's funny how wow the boss mechanics became just several things for you to dodge while hitting or healing... whoever thought of the current mechanics was inspired by Cuphead?
Why everyone told me to play retail? Classic sound like much more fun
Estaup tho that sick jukes makes us all look normal
back in my day, the first person to stack scorch was the dps king as long as it stayed up. *waves wizard cane*
When you notice his hands are moving but in no way clicking frost bolt lol. And then he stands up lol I’m dead
He is just that talented 😂
@@Ross_2312 haha
@@Ross_2312
Macro rota makes him
Had a friend in Vanilla Classic who literally had a macro to spam frostbolt for him when we'd do MC after BWL while we was making food.
take a guess who's having more fun 😂
I love this meme
I do like raiding in both expansion i always do full heroic clears and do some mythic bosses and i still very much enjoy classic raiding in many cases i do enjoy it even more. Its way different though and it gets too much compared with retail.
Love it
This is exactly why I say a Hardcore challenge on retail would be impossible if you included mythic raiding
Isn’t impossible if it’s just first 3 bosses mythic 😂
Considering some mechanics require sacrifices on mythic. Yeah. It’s impossible.
Raid wipes because a one person failed mechanics is a sick, toxic joke
Mythic hardcore? Bro in retail it's a wipe if a single person dies on a mythic boss, need everyone playing perfectly the entire time. Damn now I lowkey want to try out Dragonflight and mythic raiding again 😂
Mage players when they have to do 1 mechanic.
Tbh, that Nathria boss was pretty complicated. Plus mage was dealing with the hardest seed.
That’s right, things did indeed get harder and more challenging. Haha.
Boss fights are just puzzles that requiere solving as a group.
It’s not bad, it if you want to do Mythic it can be intimidating. Especially if you can’t find a group that has the same mindset as you.
That's amazing, i'm crying)
Too real. Makes me want to raid as my mage again in retail, though lmao.
this makes me want to raid as a mage in classic, retail sucks
@@davidsantiago7808 He wasn't even saying he dislikes classic, most likely his comment means he finds the content in retail more engaging.
Yet your boomer brain immediately goes ''RETAIL BAD, NOSTALGIA GOOD'' in an objectively garbage 20 year old mmo walking simulator with poor quality of life updates.
You're getting farmed by Blizzard for 2 decades now and you still don't realise it, get a grip.
@davidsantiago7808 Castle Nathria and the two Dragonflight raids (so far) are objectively good. You're kinda fried, mate. I also spent about 55 days /played on my vanilla classic warrior at lvl 60. The only good vanilla raid is BWL. Classic has a lot of merit, but retail raids, especially so far in Dragonflight, are more fun.
@@generaljouf I'm 21 and I just started playing wow a year ago. I started with retail and switched to classic and I'm having infinitely more fun. In retail if you're a noob you get flamed by other players in m+ dungeons. On top of that anything you want to work towards can be bought with real money. Mount? Buy it. Gear? Buy it. Enchants? Buy it. Max level character? Buy it. The only thing you can't really buy is ahead of the curve, but even that can be bought if you know the right guild. It made my entire experience sour and it felt hollow to achieve anything.
I switched to classic vanilla and my experience was way better. The community is great, everyone is friendly. There's plenty of both factions running around in contested areas so I can pvp in the open world while leveling. There's no wow token so even though rmt does exist most of the goals and achievements in the game are at least somewhat worth something. To me it isn't about the skill or technicality of the game, it's about if the game is good. And quite frankly retail sucks.
@@generaljouf Most sane sweaty retail player
OmG CLaSsIc WaS sO MuCh bETer ThAn ReTAiL!
harder =/= better. People don't play classic for the pve difficulty, but other elements that retail completely lacks
Classic was a true MMORPG, Retail is an Instance Arcade game. Yes for sure Retail mechanics are harder, but i still prefer the RPG aspects of classic. And don't forget, that on Vanilla we used to raid with 300ms, 7-15 fps, 4-8 disconnects each boss, no world buffs, no hit gear (i was top dps as hunter and never used a hit gear), no youtube videos, etc....
@@user-zg5ew2bm7l enlighten me.
@@skyamerico wow has never had "real RPG" as much I also think wow would be a beter mmoRPG it is bad in both versions. If you can give me one decent reason why classic has beter RP sure but I don't believe it is. Have fun all you want in classic I myself played it too (the iteration now and the OG days) and had a blast but saying it is objectively beter than retail is just wrong sorry. If in your opinion classic is more fun enjoy man! I'm glad it is an option for you.
@@user-zg5ew2bm7l what elements? the dk bots in pve and pvp, the social interactions that are basicaly the same with a guild in retail, taking hours to get a lvl sounds like a huge waste of time
Damn, that boss was one of the best ones ive fought in a long ass time.. The whole of Castle Nathria was amazing
This shit had me dieing bro
Classic: move out of the fire.
You didn't move? Move now!
That's right, get a healing, don't worry.
Retail: Oh no! That mage used the mechanic in 5.001 seconds instead of 5.002!! WIPE EVERYONE! GKICK MAGE!
game isn't so easy anymore. One boss having more mechanics than all the bosses in vanilla combined
Vanilla easy??? 😂😂😂😂
@@dabufy3683 yeah, those classic raids are very very easy compared to raids that come after, very limited by mechanics. The hardest part of vanilla/classic is and was having the patience to grind through levels.
@@dabufy3683 Yes absolutely lmao classic was a joke
@@dabufy3683 its a joke compared to retail
@@dabufy3683 Very easy lol.
As a Mage since vanilla, I can confirm this is true.
cant wait for season of mastery
Funny video. Accurate and factual. 10/10
my gray parsing ass in retail vs my 99's in classic. Can't even compare the games they are so different lmao.
Do people actually log classic raids? 💀
@nevr idk I think the only fun part of classic raids is the competition of logs. It's a snoozefest without it.
I went back to retail recently after break for many years and can confirm, this is how retail is now. I felt like i was playing some sort of platformer, jump here dodge there move out move in spread out group up.
@@dennisdubose2444 No, that is not what I said, but I can see English is not your first language so I understand your confusion and poor spelling and grammar.
@@Treshar Keep playing classic my dude :)
@@hyvea3001 I have zero interest in a game I played to death 15 years ago, so I don't play classic.
People seem to be misunderstanding my OP. I had no trouble playing retail for the month or so I went back recently. My issue is that the core gameplay loop is not enjoyable. If I wanted to run around in circles like a nutcase there are games that do that far better and don't require a monthly sub.
@@Treshar sounds like a skill issue tbh
man he must be spamming that Frost bolt Very hard.
Pure gold
And that is the problem with retail wow. A game where you must download curse client and download 30 addons on top! That is incongruous…. And then you have Classic wow, simplicity at its finest! We want classic plus now!
But who looks to be having the most fun
bro has frostbolt at 2.5 seconds cast speed
great video
Thank you greatwizard, seen some of ur vids, crazy to see your name pop up
Honestly. I would love if we could have something in the middle where I have to pay attention to a couple key mechanics and have a few buttons in the rotation but dont feel like I need to take a PhD to understand a boss before going at it (with addons installed to cover my screen with instructions). But it's nice for raids to just be chill, don't fuck up the 1-2 mechanics, and feel the progress from the gear you've got for your characters. Being hyperfocused with every piece of content, managing a half dozen different mechanics and constantly weaving between dodging and soaking every 6 seconds (and keeping track of who's turn it is to soak), only for the progress to boil down to "item level go up" (without actually really being able to feel it because of how obfuscated your damage is behind procs rather than baseline ability damage)... its just a little exhausting honestly
just play ret pala
Yeah its called TBC/Wotlk. just play buffed tbc private server
What about normal raids?
@@BigMuskachini Are there any decent TBC pservers? The only one with a sizeable population that i know is stormforge netherwing, and well... let's just say they might as well replace the Orgrimmar music with ching cheng hanji considering how many chinese bots they've got on that server.
I am only asking because TBC is also my favorite, and the only big private servers out there are Vanilla and WOTLK, and tbh i prefer TBC over either of those.
and then u have these classic andy's saying "Ulduar is hard we can't kill Algalon"
Started leveling a new char on wotlk during the exp bonus. The number of dungeon groups with absolutely awful players is scary lol. Literally had to teach a few dk tanks how to play their class because i was ooming every pull as healer, these tanks were pulling huge and literally doing 0 healing with death strike 😂 . Im like make sure you apply your diseases or it won’t heal, one didn’t even know what diseases were lol. After explaining hes like lol didnt feel like reading 3 paragraphs im lazy. Queues as tank 😂
Algalon is pretty difficult if your teammates are drooling morons. I think the only really fun mechanical fight in Ulduar is Mimiron Hardmode because that's all about positioning and space management. I still haven't killed Algalon but will this coming week. I was with a bad guild that only recently got it down.
Algalon was not hard because of mechanics, it's just that he hits like a fucking truck and 1 bad star can wipe you.
I play in a guild with a lot of bad players and you would be surprised how hard the content can feel when people manage to kill themselves almost every single pull in some stupid way. The amount of times we are out of brezes after Mimi p1 because some people like to play minesweeper is actually astonishing. And we can't even do Algalon because our dps is mathematically too low to beat him before enrage. So I guess there's still plenty of people who find the content pretty challenging. Though that says more about them than the content.
great frostbolts good parse, prolly pro
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classic is hard guys trust me
If you said it, it must be true
cant wait for SOD
Sometimes just pressing 1 and vibing out with the boys on disc is the mood, that's what classic is good for
Its ok some people's brains can't handle multiple buttons and mechanics at the same time 😂
@@ogFaTaL"If you're not a tryhard you're dumb"
And you guys wonder why classic is more popular
It's literally not though lmao, retail has probably 3x the players classic/wotlk do regardless of what you guys think@@burnttoast26
@@burnttoast26it’s not. Classic is full of bots and mostly dead. 😂
@@shamba4406 So is retail
This is so true. Yet people be like "Classic is much harder" They have no CLUE!!!!! I played Resto druid in Naxx but got BORED cause you litteraly stand there waiting for stuff to do between heals instead of weaving. tsk tsk
i think the primary difference is some people think "the game" is endgame raiding, whereas others think it's the leveling process + general endgame, or some other slice. if you don't first agree on a definition then you'll never agree on the terms.
Leveling in classic is infinitely more difficult than in retail, for instance. Earning gold- same thing. Achieving various character milestones such as high level/professions/items/mounts all more difficult or time-consuming as well. Comparing specifically the high-end raiding mechanics in a game's earliest years with its latest and then drawing a wider conclusion simply doesn't work.
@@geissler91 you hit the nail about classic. Time consuming. In Retail you can fly to China in 10mins. In Classic you have to fight through murlocs for 3 days to get to same place. Then your friend logs in and you cant play together cause then guess what. 3 more days of Murlocs 🤣
literally no one says classic is harder lmao
better game? absolutely. but not harder. retail raiding is autistic as fuck
@@geissler91 re-professions, I disagree. I was BS/Eng in classic and tbc, and Eng/JC in wrath. Professions in classic have always just been money pit - it isn't difficult or particularly time consuming.
@@geissler91 Because leveling is not really a thing anymore. Classic leveling is tedious, not hard - you literally do fuck all for half time because you sit and drink. Also mounts are much harder in retail, that doesn't even compare. Time consumption =/= difficulty. It's a time waste. Professions hard in classic? You mean just throw gold at it as you can do in retail?
That Jailer Rune of Power tho xD
We had more time to be social during vanilla raids.
and ranged dps is the easiest role by a mile
Depends on the boss, quite often ranged players get to do more mechanics and greeding for casts is more interesting than melee uptime.
I switched from warrior to mage in Legion because melee uptime gameplay felt too binary to me
I love classic and retail but any classic player that says that classic is harder is on CRACK😂!!
Some people actually think that, and haven’t tried retail in years. I do think a lot of the classic/wrath community don’t necessarily care about doing challenging content though, and some just create the illusion they are 😂
Classic was and is easy, but that's precisely the point. It makes for a chill and fun game. In retail you have to run for your life every 5-10 seconds, it's no longer a game, it's like a very intensive job.
classic is for the mentally aged players who cant react to swirlies on the floor anymore. No disrespect but their dedicated bullshitting to try to make classic look like challenge compared to retail is sad and pathetic.
Very nice one :D
This applies to all classes in general lol
I like classic raiding more since the gear feels more important, the raids are more enjoyable with less convaluded mechanic
Impressive. Now let's see Shadow Priest comparison.
Peep the channel
@@Ross_2312 nice
Him sweating sent me 😂
100% accurate - the classic player is happy and actually having fun.
The story of why I finally got burnt out of mage after maining one for almost two decades. Too annoying and stressful to play now.
Sick
Someone needs to add M+ footage from a prot paladin's perspective. Tanking, cleansing and off healing the group in addition to all the mechanics.
Tanking is face rolling in any expansion, sorry.
by tanking you mean using consecration on cooldown?
seems like the classic player is having more fun
Yea buts who's having more fun 😂. Love the video.
Beating raid tier world first is pretty fun.
Sweating with other sweat lords or bing chilling with the bros.
that is true. That is why I like Vanilla and why I am waiting for official WoW Classic HC servers