Is Diesel Faster Than Petrol?

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  • The common misconception: Petrol is faster, yet diesel has more torque!
    It almost doesn't make sense! So we decided to test it, with my GTI vs Nathan's TDI.
    Both are mk4 golfs, and both around the same BHP...
    Let the testing begin!
    (Both cars are stock, the GTI has a decat downpipe but on a stock map, it maybe adds 3 or 4 more BHP...)
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Комментарии • 518

  • @fomalhaut86
    @fomalhaut86 6 лет назад +413

    SPOILERS: In tonight's programme: Two blokes with minuscule knowledge about cars do the car test...

  • @SonyFoLife
    @SonyFoLife 6 лет назад +316

    If your car shakes above 70 you need your wheels balanced and alignment checked

    • @thrashingjustin
      @thrashingjustin 6 лет назад +11

      RippyTheRazer either that or your tires are already uneven from neglect of the shaking or tie rods

    • @edwardlawson7944
      @edwardlawson7944 6 лет назад +12

      He meant “70” mph not 70mph which is probably closer to 100mph

    • @Cr1ptlord
      @Cr1ptlord 6 лет назад +9

      #Edward Lawson, hahaha what

    • @sakariaskarlsson634
      @sakariaskarlsson634 6 лет назад +7

      If it shakes over 170 kmh its alright though lol

    • @nostylecaleb3106
      @nostylecaleb3106 6 лет назад

      @my car

  • @partyboy174
    @partyboy174 5 лет назад +79

    A much more realistic comparision would had required an mk4 1.9TDI PD 150HP (ARL engine code with all red TDI letters) instead of the 1.9TDI 130

    • @ilBarbonauta
      @ilBarbonauta 2 года назад +3

      Yes, but 130pd is an interesting engine, it has more power than the official spec, around 143 hp and in the last version ( blt engine code ) around 151/152 hp and with a smaller turbo has more torque in low rev so can starting better in high gear. The test isn't do in the best way in my opinion, sometime one starts before or from behind and the 5th gear was the last? Anyway, it was funny 😂

    • @Southwark-Wexham
      @Southwark-Wexham Год назад

      Try 68HP 1.9 SDI

  • @mattalki
    @mattalki 3 года назад +18

    I drove a mk4 Golf TDI for 18 years (2001-2019) and put 393K miles on it. It was the 90hp North American version (2001), and I always got between 600-700 miles per tank out of it. It didn't matter how I drove it, it just got 42-48mpg. It never shook in all those miles at any speed. I sold it to a guy who lives 1500 miles from here, and he flew down and drove it home. It's got well over 400K on it now. It was the best car I've ever owned. I replaced it with a 2.0L TDI Golf mk7. It's a nice car, but I still miss my mk4!

  • @jordanrudge3411
    @jordanrudge3411 6 лет назад +80

    “Private road in Mexico” 😂😂 sick guy

    • @kmack5799
      @kmack5799 5 лет назад +2

      stop copying the americans - mexico? really...

  • @mrfishy217
    @mrfishy217 4 года назад +21

    I've had both and found the diesel torque was more fun, yeah its slower but it feels faster! How you perceive the speed matters.

    • @DavidCubie1
      @DavidCubie1 3 года назад +5

      yeah, i drive petrol and its slow if i shift it around 2k rpm, whole other story is 4-5k, its insane, but then it eats fuel

    • @Marko-tv3sw
      @Marko-tv3sw Год назад +2

      It doesn't just "feel" faster. It is. And that is because it has more power at 1000-2000 rpm where you daily drive it!

  • @alessandropru
    @alessandropru 6 лет назад +72

    Having more gears means nothing, but it's the gear ratios that matter.

    • @jasperdomacena6491
      @jasperdomacena6491 3 года назад +3

      😂 just put a CVT and set the rpm at max power. it will accelerate quicker than the car with the gearbox.

  • @joem8213
    @joem8213 6 лет назад +83

    I have a Audi A3 8L PD130 and i can get 50 mpg all day long! Even if i hammer it still gets in the 40s. It’s on 172k now and still pulls like a train and has no signs of giving up! The pd 1.9 engine is surely one of the best Diesel engine ever 💪💪💪

    • @drunkshooter4156
      @drunkshooter4156 6 лет назад +5

      the AFN 110 is the most reliable diesel motor from VAG

    • @shaana4079
      @shaana4079 6 лет назад

      joe M 0-60?? Why does the petrol not pull like the diesel when pulling away from 0

    • @joem8213
      @joem8213 6 лет назад +5

      Shaan A diesels engine are not designed for 0-60 times, they’re better at mid range acceleration. If petrol was in third gear at 30 mph, and so was the diesel im sure the diesel would accelerate faster due to the low down torque. Petrols need to be worked hard to get power and torque.

    • @joem8213
      @joem8213 6 лет назад +2

      Shaan A I had a focus ST mk2 with 225bhp and that put me back in my seat lol. In my A3 the torque starts at 1500 rpm all the way to 4000 rpm, it makes it feel fast than what it actually is. It’s an argument that always crops up on RUclips, which is faster diesel or petrol. It’s a hard one, depend on a number of things.

    • @eduardogears5259
      @eduardogears5259 6 лет назад

      Here in portugal u see stock pd130 in ibizas makin 300hp with just a remap

  • @alisyed9584
    @alisyed9584 4 года назад +24

    “you can feel the turbo lag kick in”???? hahahahahaha

  • @bigrichard2840
    @bigrichard2840 4 года назад +27

    “If you drive it nicely you get 37 mpg” wtf is wrong with his car

    • @markmcgimpsey1618
      @markmcgimpsey1618 3 года назад +1

      I have a 90hp mk4 it gets 50mpg and it's still a fast car

  • @commantrosexetlos4700
    @commantrosexetlos4700 6 лет назад +3

    in tight mountain roads on the exit of the turn the tdi will win..they are lighter too..but in open roads gti is the winner...but is funny because the gti doesnt pull you inside the seat...low end torque is amazing feeling

  • @dannyjohnson5872
    @dannyjohnson5872 6 лет назад +37

    I know this is nothing to do with performance but diesel sounds terrible. Every car guy knows this.

    • @VIadaBGD
      @VIadaBGD 6 лет назад +13

      Danny Johnson Who cares when you can drive like twice as much with it.. Fuck petrol, you are not a racer anyway..

    • @TheDude-lr6mb
      @TheDude-lr6mb 6 лет назад +40

      I actually like the diesel sound better

    • @CreexLP
      @CreexLP 6 лет назад +6

      The 1.9 AVF Sounds acctually quite sporty

    • @ManOfAttitudeLP1998
      @ManOfAttitudeLP1998 6 лет назад +1

      Vaki Yes Peterbilt Diesel is nice

    • @egerisinimagi4028
      @egerisinimagi4028 5 лет назад +4

      Volvo d5 sounds quite nice

  • @182mcg1
    @182mcg1 6 лет назад +43

    Guys it's turbo diesel. Not diesel

    • @alexbrown2415
      @alexbrown2415 6 лет назад +7

      Pawel Mechanic and the petrol golf is Turbo petrol not n/a

    • @gasperpancur8142
      @gasperpancur8142 5 лет назад +3

      Yea boiiii fucking TDI yeeeeees

    • @willpark7483
      @willpark7483 4 года назад

      I can tell your American from your statement. You guys always say turbo diesel, 95% of diesel cars are turbo and if it’s not like the 1.9 SDI you should specify it’s non turbo diesel

    • @abhisheksavant4307
      @abhisheksavant4307 3 года назад

      Never came across one modern diesel which doesn't use Turbo.

  • @superx8299
    @superx8299 6 лет назад +11

    Remap stage 1 would get that power up to 170bhp and much improved torque would have destroyed the GTI.

    • @larson175
      @larson175 5 лет назад +4

      Super X yes ok but what would happen if the GTI has a remap stage 1 aswell ?;p

    • @afoster1621
      @afoster1621 4 года назад +5

      @@larson175 Ah the one way remap arguments :D
      "if my dad was on steroids and worked out for months he would beat the shit out of your dad"
      Ok mate :D

  • @fedjadrndarski5606
    @fedjadrndarski5606 7 лет назад +166

    With same horsepower, petrol has no chance with TDI.

    • @BWTV
      @BWTV  7 лет назад +10

      Fedja Drndarski That would be interesting to see on a quarter mile

    • @fedjadrndarski5606
      @fedjadrndarski5606 6 лет назад +26

      I agree. They will be close, but for e.g. PD150 probably would kick ass 1.8T 150, because of higher torque, and earlier hp. Remapped TDI 130 also goes like mad, over 30% more power and torque than stock.

    • @fedjadrndarski5606
      @fedjadrndarski5606 6 лет назад +12

      First reason why is faster is because petrol has more revs. If you have big enough turbocharger diesel could go up to 5000rpm like a mad. Turbo without adequate fueling is nothing on diesel. Rev band is relatively limited on diesel engines, and you can make power with more air and fuel. If you inject enough fuel and air you can make enormous pressure in cylinders and this could gave enormous torque. For e.g. 200hp on 8000rpm is same as 200hp on 4000rpm, but if you need 200hp at 4000rpm you need double torque. Important thing is power band, the range in rpm where you change gears, and average horsepower at this range. For example, my 230bhp 1.9 TDI PD with big turbocharger, has 200hp at only 3000rpm, and 200hp at 4800rpm, average horsepower is about 215, which is very good for acceleration. Petrol cars, especially naturally aspirated, are peaky, and for same peak horsepower acceleration is much slower. Maybe top speed is same, or even better, but acceleration not. Believe me, I know what I am talking.
      Naturally aspirated petrol engines usually are not suited for turbocharging, because of light tight internals. It has more revs and more horsepower than same sized naturally aspirated diesel, but less efficiency, especially than turbocharged diesel. We can compare engines by efficiency, by raw power or by power to weight ratio (which is most important for racing).

    • @fedjadrndarski5606
      @fedjadrndarski5606 6 лет назад +29

      Peter Russel You don't know anything about cars. First read what I was wrote, than talk about nonsense. I really don't want to argue with idiots like you. Goodbye and look at timing chain on your fantastic 1.4 TSI engine!

    • @jasonneill6959
      @jasonneill6959 6 лет назад

      Fedja Drndarski I have Pd115 GT Tdi mapped to 165, full straight through exhaust would love to see a fart can mk4 try keep up lol

  • @scaryman101086
    @scaryman101086 6 лет назад +3

    Tdi has more torque down low which means it has more hp in low rpm. 100nm at 2000rpm is half the hp of 100nm at 4000 rpm. Petrol has more hp so it is faster in the rev range but tdi picks up at 1800ish rpm :) I like the powerband on the tdi's

  • @X3N.
    @X3N. 6 лет назад +4

    More relevant would've been 150 bhp tdi vs 150 petrol from any 1.8t from early vag's. 20 bhp is a difference at that low of a power.

  • @caidenfrederick9506
    @caidenfrederick9506 2 года назад +2

    I have 2002 Mk4 tdi alh with stage 2 and I know exactly what you mean when you say it shakes. Feels like the cars about to fall apart but never does. 320k and she’s still going strong.

    • @gwood701
      @gwood701 2 года назад

      Engine mounts need replacing

  • @inox1ck
    @inox1ck 6 лет назад +1

    This is a fair enough comparison because you are comparing two turbocharged engines of roughly the same power.
    It's the turbo that make cars faster for the same max power. That is because not max power is important but the power / rpm curve, unless you have a CVT that keeps it at constant rpm, which is not the case. But diesels react slower and in this case and probably most cases, it have a worse power curve. However, usually people compare same power naturally aspirated small engines to turbocharged diesels and in that case diesels would go slightly faster having the turbocharger advantage.
    With a turbocharger you have max torque between like 1700 and 4000 rpm, a naturally aspirated engine has a peak torque at some single value like 4000rpm.

  • @paulseary7041
    @paulseary7041 6 лет назад +15

    The diesel golf can also run on veg oil.

    • @Gazshadows
      @Gazshadows 2 года назад

      Being a PD engine I wouldn't bother. The injectors are very particular and have extreme tolerances.

    • @tommcmahon14
      @tommcmahon14 14 дней назад

      PDs can’t run on veg oil.

  • @chriscunningham1722
    @chriscunningham1722 6 лет назад +2

    It was a fun comparison, but you need to compare a GTI 150 and a PD150 if you want a true comparison.

  • @Big2009Gee
    @Big2009Gee 6 лет назад +9

    So a technical video describing the differences between diesel and petrol engine by people who have a very basic to no understanding about cars or mechanic's ? Why bother ? ? ?

  • @daveog6429
    @daveog6429 6 лет назад +3

    The MK4 GTI is slower than the MK1 GTI apparently according to top gear

  • @Paynos
    @Paynos 7 лет назад +75

    Mexico boys

  • @woody555kl
    @woody555kl 6 лет назад +9

    240k miles is nothing for that engine

  • @CreexLP
    @CreexLP 6 лет назад +6

    Boys a few things:
    1. Diesel is fast at lower RPM so its unfair to do strict third gear pulls.
    2. The TDI is heavier
    3. do a Race uphill ;)
    4. my 1.9 Passat Makes 180bhp with just Software Tuning and its as fast as a golf 5 GT.

    • @alexsvk97
      @alexsvk97 6 лет назад

      Creex add turbine to petrol and it's all fair 😙

    • @85305
      @85305 5 лет назад

      Your 1.9 tdi Passat does NOT make double the HP by simply getting a tune for it. You're probably closer to ~130hp now, instead of only 90.

  • @Birmingham_racing
    @Birmingham_racing 6 лет назад +3

    First video of yours I’ve seen it subscribing. The diesel has 230 ft lbs as standard not 300 ft lbs although remap would give you that. Was the first run from 10mph? I ask that because it looks like turbo lag the turbo kicks in properly after 20 mph in second gear. From 50 to 70ish you should leave it in 4th since that’s where the torque comes on strong at 2k revs which is 50mph in 4th. Diesels have a very short torque band so if your in the wrong gear at the wrong time you ain’t nowhere. I’m on my second pd130 first was a Ibiza mk4 now bora both remapped

  • @JackStrood
    @JackStrood 6 лет назад

    The reset button for the trip computer save1&2 and mpg is at the bottom side of the wiper stalk.
    The reset button you talked about is for the trip miles referenced from the overall mileage.

  • @god.mp4
    @god.mp4 4 года назад +1

    What does GTI stand for? TDI stands for Turbo Diesel Injection, but im not sure about GTI

    • @paulanderson79
      @paulanderson79 2 года назад

      TDi starts doe Turbo DIRECT Injection.

  • @IamCombustible
    @IamCombustible 6 лет назад +14

    Diesels are sluggish, heavy, make all their power at like 2k revs and run out of steam almost immediately. They aren't fast because they aren't supposed to be. Obviously it has it's applications like if you want to save money on fuel or if you want to climb up a cliff face, but trying to say diesels are fast is just lying to yourself.

    • @chrisj1909
      @chrisj1909 6 лет назад +3

      IamCombustible not really...mine's 5.7 secs to 60 post remap and cruises at 120mph+ easily

    • @sauli776
      @sauli776 5 лет назад

      I agree XD

  • @MrJObajobas
    @MrJObajobas 6 лет назад +8

    If you can't talk fast without catching your breath you may have a heart symptom. Yes, I am serious.

  • @jmms5975
    @jmms5975 6 лет назад +28

    It's simple
    Diesel is for agriculture🚜
    Petrol engine is for enjoyment🏎🏍

  • @LeonUK
    @LeonUK 5 лет назад +3

    I always fill half tank unless I'm going on a massive trek in which case I use premium fuel.

  • @cds8697
    @cds8697 5 лет назад +6

    Would be nice to see 1.8t 180bhp vs pd150

  • @gianlucavittorio8917
    @gianlucavittorio8917 6 лет назад +1

    I’ve got the Polo PD130 Sportline 50mpg all day even with rough driving bigger turbo and straight pipe and front mounted intercoolers make them beasts 240hp and 430fp

  • @jackcroot1
    @jackcroot1 6 лет назад +2

    Just bought a mk4 1.9 gt tdi for £800, absolutely love it...steal imo

  • @SteveBlues87
    @SteveBlues87 6 лет назад +4

    Diesels stock, are ridiculously restricted from the factory for emissions and smoke. They are much more restricted than petrols are from factory. Open up those restrictions and you've got balls out power

    • @linus3502
      @linus3502 6 лет назад +1

      Steven Jones the mk4 golf tdi doesn't have any restrictions except for a cat

    • @tommcmahon14
      @tommcmahon14 6 лет назад +1

      mr holmberg they are severely downtuned by the ECU

  • @franksmith6683
    @franksmith6683 6 лет назад +1

    In my experience as a modified golf 1.9 Tdi driver (AHF 110bhp now about 130 220lbft 210k miles), petrol always pulls away at the top end with a wider power band and more brake horsepower at the top end to push through the air at admittedly illegal speeds (all on private roads, obviously!). I get to drive a lot of different cars and I'm quite surprised how some supposedly quick cars aren’t that quick next to the trusty diesel golf. Sure, some of the bigger petrol’s are quicker in the top end, but in real life round the lanes and at legal speeds the diesel can hold its own and returns frankly ludicrous MPG considering how hard it gets driven. I recently drove an Audi A1 2.0 Tdi, which was as quick as my golf but averaged 42 MPG over the same roads mine would average 57 MPG so I won't be paying £25000 for that privilege! If you get up against a decently driven Impreza, Evo or RS then forget the diesel as these rally icons are mentally fast cross country. However they suck fuel down into single digit mpg and at the speeds they can achieve you're soon going to be catching the bus or a hearse!
    I'm sticking with the Tdi for as long as possible as it’s quick enough to get around quickly, fantastic on fuel (will return a genuine 100mpg Imperial if hypermiled) averages 78mpg on long runs and never drops below 35mpg. I averaged 40 mpg whilst towing a Subaru Impreza for god's sake! It's strong and gets used hard but fair, towing all sorts of waaay too heavy loads, the biggest was a 9 tonne motor home, it was an emergency and not something I would recommend, but it sure pulled it!

  • @dbnpoldermans4120
    @dbnpoldermans4120 6 лет назад +1

    My BMW 525d 2005 E60 also does that, with an almost empty diesel tank it becomes a rocket, but it weighs 60KG less than with a full tank

  • @ze4le937
    @ze4le937 3 года назад +1

    Don’t think that golf has 300 ft lbs unless it’s modified, and if it was it would have more Bhp. It probs has 300Nm

  • @guysherro1350
    @guysherro1350 5 лет назад +3

    You guys need to learn alot more about petrols n diesels before doing reviews on them. For starters a petrol has better top end because they can rev out alot more and diesels are usually quicker of the line because they have alot lower torgue allowing it to pull

  • @bitzu1993
    @bitzu1993 6 лет назад +14

    The diesel has 240k miles and the petrol si just over 101k. That engine would still go, but you can't expect any performance from it. I had a 1.9 pd 130 with around 120k miles on and I'm telling you, they fly.
    Good vid😉

    • @TheGtadrian
      @TheGtadrian 6 лет назад +1

      Paul Cauneac Same here, it has an amazing torque and feels really powerful at the first gears, but the 0-100 is in 9,4 seconds a little bit slow ( a lot of cars with the same hp do the same time, so i cant say properly that is slow after all)
      Sorry for my english hahaha

  • @Captain_Coleslaw
    @Captain_Coleslaw 6 лет назад +26

    The diesel keeps up when youre in low revs, but it cant do shit when the 1.8T gets over 3500 revs xD

    • @StrahinjaRadinovic
      @StrahinjaRadinovic 3 года назад

      Not exactly 3500,but over 4000 its over,it is :P And that 130 1.9 tdi have around 140-145 bhp,they come stock with that power :D But still gti is much more faster ,after 4000 rpms bye bye

    • @SGTsniperkill71638
      @SGTsniperkill71638 3 года назад

      @@StrahinjaRadinovic no they don’t. PD130,s come with 130bhp from factory. PD150’s come with 150bhp.

    • @StrahinjaRadinovic
      @StrahinjaRadinovic 3 года назад

      @@SGTsniperkill71638 trust me, they only said that bcs of emissions,but in reality 1.9 131, actually had around 140-145

    • @SGTsniperkill71638
      @SGTsniperkill71638 3 года назад

      @@StrahinjaRadinovic no it really didn’t😂😂😂

    • @StrahinjaRadinovic
      @StrahinjaRadinovic 3 года назад

      @@SGTsniperkill71638 yep, they are :)

  • @migozeu
    @migozeu 6 лет назад +8

    better if it was an arl engine, pd150

  • @khalkhalil8715
    @khalkhalil8715 Год назад

    This was just 2 guys having fun 😂

  • @orangeblossom2488
    @orangeblossom2488 6 лет назад +129

    Man diesel feels faster but, in real life the petrol Is fastest

    • @doruandrei7542
      @doruandrei7542 6 лет назад +19

      Because diesel engines have more NM than petrol...

    • @doruandrei7542
      @doruandrei7542 6 лет назад +1

      relentless5321 ....ohhhh Diesel👎👎👎

    • @soltea7926
      @soltea7926 6 лет назад +19

      Diesels run out of puff much faster than petrol cars, bigger turbos and stuff helps but do the same thing to the petrol equivalent and it won't stand a chance, petrol is for speed diesel is for motorways and farming

    • @TheRazvy1990
      @TheRazvy1990 6 лет назад +2

      IT Training corect...only feels faster.......

    • @BrianNC81
      @BrianNC81 6 лет назад +9

      I beat plenty of "fast" V8 petrol cars in my diesel 3.0L BMW 335D on the drag strip. All I did was straight pipe and a tune. Stock turbos are pushing 36psi. 365hp/595 ft lb torque measured at the wheels.

  • @richboy900
    @richboy900 5 лет назад +5

    Diesels come such a long way though. I love my golf gtd. It's nippy (not proper fast however) and gets well over 50mpg. Then you can map it to golf gti territory

    • @Leo-9696
      @Leo-9696 5 лет назад

      yee man tha GTD love

  • @chriswolf1277
    @chriswolf1277 3 года назад +1

    My pd150 averages 52 on a run at 75 and 59 through what now seems to be the normal asc 50 on a motorway often returning 750 mpt, and this is before my recent Celtic tuning eco map giving a few more on a run but a few less in town, now smoother freer reving but with a little more spool lag, now in gear 3/4/5 overtakes are comically easy you say about to fall apart at 240k I say daily driver reliable for 350k+ oil and filter every 6k and you’ve got nothing to worry about, tempted with a 320d m-sport coupe or touring but I just can’t seem to part with the old girl.

  • @anthonykarch583
    @anthonykarch583 5 лет назад +9

    You guys speck great Spanish on those private roads in Mexico

  • @nutter4butter
    @nutter4butter 7 лет назад +7

    I’ve got a awp with 180hp stock but it’s stage 2 now so maybe like 230hp-270tq

    • @krawzyy6801
      @krawzyy6801 6 лет назад

      Clean Cut Garage I have one too big turbo and stage 2 with APR 3” downpipe and it’s amazing

  • @georgedanilopoulos3023
    @georgedanilopoulos3023 6 лет назад

    Sorry guys but your conclusion is wrong. Turbo on diesel engines are small and therefore it is not possible to have power at "top end". Also you are comparing a 1.8T 20v engine as a petrol engine with 150 hp. This specific engine it is VERY limited by ECU boost maps and therefore it is a ready bad example at "top end". FYI : The same petrol engine using different ECU boost map produces 180 hp having really more power at "top end".

  • @DerKaktusAvant
    @DerKaktusAvant 4 года назад

    If he gets 30 on his mpg somthing wrong.
    My a3 1.9 gets 45 if I drive hard, and on the motorway at 80mph 60mpg. At 60mph I get 75mpg. This is on a tuned to 180 break bkc with wide 245 wheels.

  • @dbnpoldermans4120
    @dbnpoldermans4120 6 лет назад

    Hard to really compare diesel to petrol, because they are different engines.
    Would it be fair to compare a 2 or 3 liter bmw diesel to a petrol? Do they have the same size turbos. Are both cars optimized for speed?
    I think Petrol is faster, I own a diesel. Diesel is not as slow as most petrol drivers think.
    being faster with an almost empty tank
    My BMW 525d 2005 E60 also does that, with an almost empty diesel tank it becomes a rocket, but it weighs 60KG less than with a full tank

  • @dokterkarel
    @dokterkarel 6 лет назад +1

    the golf 4 GTI is just a joke on wheels. The golf 2 GTI 16v KR was like it said only a 1.8 with 16v, and made 139hp. The golf 4 GTI is 1.8 20V TURBO, and only makes 11hp more.

    • @BWTV
      @BWTV  6 лет назад

      Technology is heavy 🙄

  • @captiansparkles8139
    @captiansparkles8139 6 лет назад +1

    Before even watching the video I can tell you that a petrol is faster. This is because diesel has more low end torque but petrol has more useable torque. That's also why diesels have different gearing and shorter gears. And this test is not fair because the cars have different engine sizes and there is a big hoursepower difference. I saw a guy do a test of two Peugeot I think 208's with the same engine size and similar power. From a rolling start in second gear at 30km/h the petrol smoked the diesel because the petrol has more useable torque. You guys are wrong saying that diesels have more torque in the top end because they don't, they have more torque in the low end. If you had the same engine size and similar hoursepower it would be fair. Petrol cars can also have larger turbos than diesels.

  • @adamgs450h8
    @adamgs450h8 6 лет назад +6

    If you have a 200hp 1.8t & a 200hp 1.9tdi the petrol will win.. I get 500 miles to a tank in my 1.8tsi.. Oh and lads what is this shit saying diesel top end? They have a 4.5k redline and its better to not rev it out as it will just die!

  • @michaelkennedy8573
    @michaelkennedy8573 6 лет назад +1

    why do people insist on not displaying a front reg?

  • @mallyturner5856
    @mallyturner5856 5 лет назад +1

    I own a petrol and a diesel and I'm going to confirm something the petrol is faster at acceleration but wimpy at 3000 and under the diesel isn't fast but under 3000 pulls very well so if you do a drag petrol will win hands down but you race a petrol keeping the revs under 3000 then diesel will easily win it's all on the powerband if you made the diesel to rev higher and mapped the power to come in later it would keep up map a petrol for power to come in earlier and it will pull on hills better the choice on how you want your car to run is down to the individual

  • @nbrooks1799
    @nbrooks1799 7 лет назад +3

    32 to the gallon in a PD130? I have a Seat Ibiza with the exact same engine (albeit the car is lighter) and I get 50mpg average. And I do not drive economically at all on a mixture of 30:70 mixture of dual carrigeways and single carrigeway roads with a lot of stop start driving - also being 'liberal' with speed limits (in rural areas).

    • @BWTV
      @BWTV  7 лет назад +1

      Nicholas Brooks Yeah he seems to drive it very hard all the time, I'm honestly not suprised 😂

    • @nbrooks1799
      @nbrooks1799 7 лет назад

      BWTV When I drive hard at night on country roads that I know it does no less than 37mpg. Maybe he drives around with all the windows down, the heater on full, low tyre pressure, red lines it whenever he can and carries a few paving slabs with him (just joking). Good on him for enjoying his motor, that's what thry're for at the end of the day. MPH and BHP before MPG.

    • @BWTV
      @BWTV  7 лет назад +2

      Nicholas Brooks You basically summed up his driving 😂 He loves it though 😎

    • @damann187
      @damann187 6 лет назад

      he has a bad maf sensor it puts more fuel in and makes car not perform properly. i had a 110hp asv tdi (before the pd) drove like a twat never used more than £30 a week 250 miles-ish. vw say replace it yearly it make 100% difference

  • @Leatherkid01
    @Leatherkid01 6 лет назад +3

    Does Nathan have a channel? Love that TDI :)

  • @boostaddict_
    @boostaddict_ 6 лет назад +1

    Diesels have better low end acceleration, but don't rev as high. That's the difference.

    • @boostaddict_
      @boostaddict_ 6 лет назад +1

      Oh, and you can make a lot more power on a diesel with just a tune.

  • @mihneacorneliuconstantines1941
    @mihneacorneliuconstantines1941 3 года назад

    The problem is:
    1. To beat the 150 gti you would need at least the 150 tdi 1.9 not the 130hp one. And still you couldn't beat it but the topic would have been more relevant.
    2. It is an improper comparrison because:
    a) tdi is 2v per cilinder vs 5v per cilinder petrol
    b) this tdi has no aluminium on the engine block, when compared to, let 's say , hdi commonrails.
    130hp tdi has NO chance against 1.8T

    • @Leon13410
      @Leon13410 3 года назад +1

      I smoked a c270cdi with a golf 1.9 tdi and 131 hp.

  • @Fastfregga
    @Fastfregga 7 лет назад +36

    you do realise that a petrol mk4 weighs around 200-250kg less than a diesel one?

    • @BWTV
      @BWTV  7 лет назад +6

      Fastfregga Nope I didn't know That, you learn something new every day. Why is That?

    • @Fastfregga
      @Fastfregga 7 лет назад +5

      BWTV Im actually surprised you didnt know that as such a car guy. I thinks its maily because petrol ignites and diesel combusts under pressure. Therefore diesel engines need to be more stable and are longer durable. For example the 0-60 time for the 68hp diesel is around 17seconds, while the 75hp petrol needs around 14 seconds. Im not sure about the weight, but the difference is somewhere around 200kg

    • @checkyourself164
      @checkyourself164 6 лет назад +4

      Absolute horse shit bro.

    • @checkyourself164
      @checkyourself164 6 лет назад +5

      1261kg for the PD130 Golf MK4, 1279kg for a 30th anniversary MK4 GTI (couldn't find exact spec on the non anniversary, but its the same car with a few cosmetic differences). Check your sources bro. Check here if you want -> www.parkers.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/hatchback-1997/specs/

    • @andrewwright.
      @andrewwright. 6 лет назад +3

      josh winn I got 1235kg 1.8t 1297kg TDI both five door but I think the difference is fuel in the tank. Either way there is no 200kg difference

  • @hammozaxo6886
    @hammozaxo6886 2 года назад

    I think this is BS . Comparing 150hp against 130 ?? Not really fair is it . Like the other guy said : compare it to an ARL 1.9tdi and u'll see what difference it makes

  • @staggabob
    @staggabob 6 лет назад

    Not trying to be a dick but an m135i has "300 and something ft-lb of torque"- a Golf 1.9 TDI 130 has 228 ft-lb. You're confusing Newton Metres with Foot-Pounds, very different measurements. That's still only 8 less than the same gen R32 (which is matched by the 150ps TDI) and for comparison the 150bhp petrol Gti puts out 155 ft-lbs

  • @mrmanna123
    @mrmanna123 6 лет назад +10

    Diesel car is good for long drive

    • @abhisheksavant4307
      @abhisheksavant4307 3 года назад

      Even better when driving up hills & overtaking petrol cars.

  • @thivesennayager6278
    @thivesennayager6278 5 лет назад +2

    We don't drive the way you are testing, diesel runs out of power as you go higher.

    • @Mr330d
      @Mr330d 4 года назад

      thivesen nayager The diesel should have been in 1 gear higher than the petrol in the tests

  • @nickkaarslev290
    @nickkaarslev290 6 лет назад +1

    funny the tdi's turbo works within 1800-2500 rpm

    • @christineayres5339
      @christineayres5339 5 лет назад

      As someone who used to one one, it is definitely one of the best TDI engines out there, as normally with other diesel cars from Ford Vauxhall or Renault you have to wait till 3500 rpm for the turbo to spool where as with the Golfs you get instant turbo power great for short shifting

  • @kevsingh3728
    @kevsingh3728 5 лет назад +2

    SLOUGH TOWN!! look forward to the next one

  • @paulseary7041
    @paulseary7041 6 лет назад +86

    Diesel for life!

    • @stephenlynch1213
      @stephenlynch1213 6 лет назад

      Paul Seary now now

    • @k2sp8r60
      @k2sp8r60 6 лет назад +1

      Disel for life

    • @k2sp8r60
      @k2sp8r60 6 лет назад

      Yass

    • @happybreadfruit3530
      @happybreadfruit3530 6 лет назад +2

      Diesel suck (new diesel motors) Diesel is good for long travels. Diesel motors are heavy, hard to repair and they have power in low revs...

  • @Franksey180
    @Franksey180 6 лет назад

    Appreciate the video guys, but really you could have done a lot better. PD130 has about 236 ft/lbs, not 300 ft/lbs. Also what did you expect to happen doing your tests in busy Saturday traffic and you didn't even do a standing start drag race comparison? You keep talking about top end, but normally "top end" would be talking about high rpm, where diesel actually runs out of breath/power as it can't rev very high. I think what you were really describing is the mid range pulling power of the diesel which is very strong. A race actually FROM 100 mph upwards would be an interesting comparison (though sort of useless but interesting), both cars in a gear that has the turbo on boost to extract the most out of them. Finally you could have used some type of GPS logging app or a "Race logic" device to compare their speeds, 0-30-50-60-70-80-90-100 etc. Anyway that being said, it means if you didn't already you could do another comparison follow up video.

  • @barlogdark
    @barlogdark 6 лет назад +1

    petrol is for performance always was and always will be and diesel is for fuel economy end of story.

    • @gerikuper6473
      @gerikuper6473 3 года назад

      Bravo yes diesel is for economy, petrol performance and fast

  • @Marko-tv3sw
    @Marko-tv3sw Год назад

    Its amazing how people don't understand that max power is measured at 5000-6000 rpm. Who cares how much power is there? How about 1500-2000 rpm where you daily shift it? There's your "feeling" that it has more power. Because it has.

  • @Daniel-rb1ig
    @Daniel-rb1ig 5 лет назад +1

    No tweek no reek
    That cheeky despacito clip

  • @dougie132
    @dougie132 3 года назад

    those pd130s have tons of potential, stage 1 takes it to 170 or so, start with bigger turbos and FMIC you're talking 230bhp.

  • @Zurr-En-Arrh
    @Zurr-En-Arrh 3 года назад

    Petrol may be faster but diesel is really fun

    • @Leon13410
      @Leon13410 3 года назад

      The 1.9 tdi is also fast my aunt have one with 131 hp I smoked a c270cdi with 5 cylinder automatic and 170hp 😂😂😂 the 1.9 tdi are fucking fast.

  • @bendude6748
    @bendude6748 6 лет назад +3

    You need to find a GT TDI seeing as thats the equivilent to a GTI

    • @xanderfpv2629
      @xanderfpv2629 4 года назад

      I've got a mk5 Gt Tdi, my mate has mk4 gti... can confirm that the GT Tdi is faster... they both have very similar power to weight ratios

  • @liamsutcliffe7812
    @liamsutcliffe7812 6 лет назад +1

    I own a pd150 bora, completely standard as it's my daily car. Recently hit 160k on the clock and it still pulls like a train. Upset a few people in it too 😂.

    • @Emanuel-zr7du
      @Emanuel-zr7du 2 года назад

      I bought a bora just to mess around and i was so surpised how this fucking thing just flies

  • @anonlincracing2484
    @anonlincracing2484 6 лет назад

    Couldnt you get hold of an ARL 150 diesel ? That would of been a more accurate but on vws it boils down to the turbos put on the engine the vnt17 will be on that 130 mapped they get up there quite well but standard ther just lifeless the 150 petrol is quite pokey but u have to know how to drive either of them cos there different

  • @xShogun066
    @xShogun066 4 года назад

    Te GTI has 180Hp stock, the T(Di) 130Hp..... its 50Hp less, how can you even compare those two? Its stupid even comparing the T(Di) with the TDI all red that makes 150Hp ... even 20hp are way too much when we talking about cars that make 130-150Hp

  • @owen9045
    @owen9045 3 года назад +1

    How the hell he got more than 300 lb/ft of torque when it’s a pd130 no way

    • @Mr330d
      @Mr330d 3 года назад

      310NM torque he’s got it wrong lol

  • @napraznicul
    @napraznicul 6 лет назад

    diesel has to change gear before petrol, you can't test like that. You can try from standstill until 100mph let's say.
    Anyway, you should remap tdi to the same 150bhp, because isn't versus for towing spmething, but dragrace and for that what matters is Powerband and Weight. Maybe also the tyres and aerodynamics.. but that's all.

  • @TheNinjaMonkey43
    @TheNinjaMonkey43 6 лет назад

    its closer cuz his is the 1.9 tdi, but the 1.3 tdi is just gutless, pretty sure the 1.3L had like 90 Horsepower factory

  • @timstrzzz
    @timstrzzz 6 лет назад

    Ive got a MK5 golf 2.0 tdi and I have just done the water de-carbonisation method into the intake and I tell you what, its way more torquey now, feels like i've gained 30hp! would seriously recommend doing it. Also it doesn't go into limp mode anymore and gives more turbo noises ;)

  • @5300aikon
    @5300aikon 6 лет назад +1

    With the same power it depends on the torque and the gear ratio

  • @flyderay
    @flyderay 6 лет назад

    If I'm correct, the 1.9 TDI is basically a Diesel 1.8T with beefy materials and .1L bigger?

  • @nathanw8929
    @nathanw8929 6 лет назад

    Love these kind of videos

  • @Megadriver
    @Megadriver 6 лет назад

    I love all the experts bashing diesel, claiming petrol is better for sports cars and violently preaching the greatness of petrol. True, but how many of you experts own Lambos, Maseratis and 911s? Probably none. Also forget lap times. Unless you are Sabine Schmitz and live at the Nurburgring, they do not matter. Line up two everyday cars with 100hp. One diesel and one petrol. The diesel one has more kick and gets better fuel efficiency and because it's probably turbocharged, can get more power with a simple remap.
    One of my favorite diesels is the Mercedes E420 CDI. An absolute beast. Tons of torque, faster than most cars on the road (petrol and diesel) and again is more frugal than your grandma at the supermarket.
    Would I pick an M5, over a 530d? If I was obscenely rich, yes. But I'm not, so a modded diesel is the best of both worlds for me. Speed, power, fuel efficiency and a long service life.

  • @rinorm7709
    @rinorm7709 3 года назад

    some people says that the 3 red tdi work as good as the gti or maybe better

  • @dariusshiel7047
    @dariusshiel7047 6 лет назад

    What's the other guys channel called?

  • @christineayres5339
    @christineayres5339 5 лет назад

    Had the exact same Golf TDI PD very fast for what it is ignore the 130bhp it can do 60mph in 9 seconds and 135mph on a clear road as standard, have seen these tuned too over 250bhp then you can hit 60 in 6 seconds and 150 mph top end, i only paid 700 quid for mine as it was high mileage but being an idiot i tuned mine without upgrading other important components such as the Gearbox , which let go one day when i floored it up a very steep hill in Amersham lol

  • @mikekelsall5859
    @mikekelsall5859 4 года назад

    Diesels have a longer stroke on the piston that's why they got more torque a few other things I think these guys didn't now is disel is less more volitial than petrol meaning safer because diesel ignites by compression and because of that diesel engine blocks are mainly all steel so capable of more abuse that's why most disels have turbos

  • @8G00SE8
    @8G00SE8 2 года назад

    Lets be honest, we all know Petrols are faster, the real question is "Do diesels give you more bang for your buck on a budget", because we won't be getting diesel Lambos, F1 and WRC won't get switching to Diesel either.

  • @Grega94
    @Grega94 5 лет назад +1

    Advice: dont race diesels next to petrols, because people will go nuts over that/hate or whatever haha. I have TDI Scirocco and I traded torque for sound, its that simple xD

    • @blackavant8369
      @blackavant8369 2 года назад +1

      My 3.0tdi sounds like a gtr and can keep up with a gtr

  • @TATEXPRESSINC
    @TATEXPRESSINC 4 года назад

    I love the video

  • @brankezza
    @brankezza 4 года назад

    tdi= turbo diesel injection vs gti(sport version) = grand turismo injection ????????

  • @Carlst17
    @Carlst17 6 лет назад +1

    If diesel is faster why aren’t supercars diesel... end of story

    • @glitchcharliemartin1157
      @glitchcharliemartin1157 5 лет назад

      Carl Talbot because the engines are too heavy for f1 cars twat

    • @gerikuper6473
      @gerikuper6473 4 года назад +1

      G̸͟͞L̸͟͞I̸͟͞T̸͟͞C̸͟͞H̸͟͞ Charlie Martin petrol win

  • @sakariaskarlsson634
    @sakariaskarlsson634 6 лет назад

    Is diesel faster than petrol? Yes: if you have a 150 hp gas car and a 150 hp diesel car, the diesel car will generally be quicker because it has higher torque, it will overtake much better and climb hills much easier, thats why europeans like their passat with a 190 hp diesel over a ”stronger” petrol, also better mpg

  • @sg4l542
    @sg4l542 5 лет назад

    Hi guys help me out on the steering wheel when i press the stick a few settings appear for example the no1 with a circle wiv a line through what does that mean as this is my first golf gti and wey came wiv no instructions cheers

  • @toml7934
    @toml7934 6 лет назад

    Petrols have a better top end, off the line diesel will have it but petrol will get the top end speed and overtake petrols will be the fastest overall speed, but diesels are good on public roads and stuff to get up to speed because you get that off the line torque