I find that cameras with larger FOVs tend to be more lenient in regards to camera angle. One example of this is my 1s 3 inch babytooth with the super fisheye whoop camera lenses. When I crash, the camera angle sometimes goes off by a few degrees however, I am still able to fly just as consistently as before. I think this is because the larger FOV allows the pilot to see "more" and adapt to changes easier. In my opinion, a fixed camera angle is extremely beneficial. Not only does it increase the durability of the quad (if camera tilts and pulls on wires, for example), but it allows for more consistency in crashes. For freestyle, I think that camera angle should be higher, as in ~45ish. For racers, I think they should lower angle, to also around 45ish because it is a very versatile angle, given that the pilot has a wide FOV. For example, you can slow down a lot while still seeing clearly for freestyle. You can also pitch forward and really pick up speed for racing is desired also.
Interesting findings, I've always only used predators so i don't have a good sense of how FOV affects things, but I can see how a larger FOV can be a bit more forgiving. I'll be doing a video on how to pick a camera angle, stay tuned!
Cam angle definitely make a difference. Once I bumped it to 45 deg and up (depending on track) my lines got way way better. And now 5 years later I find it hard AF to fly my freestyle rigs at 20 deg. 😂😂
Maybe you could show us how to choose proper camera angle for racing. Of course it is a preference after all, but maybe it would be good to show what happens when your camera angle is too low or too high for your skill level, etc. I see many beginner pilots cranking their cam angle to 50 degress and trying to hover around that way, which tremendously hinders their progress.
Hi Phobos, I do have a video planned on how to choose a camera angle in the upcoming videos :) Thanks for the suggestion! I think its very important to find an angle that you're comfortable with and able to handle (skill level appropriate)
Even with fixed print angle is not guaranteed! Every camera sensor is placed differently ... I look at my prop in Fpv view to make sure I’m somewhere close lol
CGO mentioned something similar in the comments, I've been lucky and my predators have been quite consistent. But you do bring a good point! Aligning your actual view after setting your quad up is just as important!
From a racing point of view I'm more in favour of matching camera angle to the full throttle balance point pitch and adjusting my turn combo of roll & yaw. That way the drone goes accurately where I aim it and doesn't float or sink at full speed. The geometry of how roll and yaw change as the drone tilts forward is not intuitive. Roll does gradually tend towards Yaw. But Yaw tends toward Inverse Roll. I fly often in the DRL sim at 55 degrees+ and fly in a High Angle mode with Roll and Yaw swapped, and Yaw inverted to compensate. ruclips.net/video/ICHlw2VCOtI/видео.html
there is another problem....unfortunately not all cameras are manufactured the same (and consistently) so using a fixed camera angle does not necessarily mean you will have the same 'angle'. Sensors can be off centre, lens etc. The best is to have a reference point that you can use to adjust the camera 'angle' and you will see that using the same reference point, two cameras can be on a different 'angle'
I won't say fixed camera mount is very important....but i think more importantly is the camera angle VIEW (what you see in the goggle, not what you see how the camera is angled from a 3rd person view) is the important part
That's an interesting point! I haven't noticed too much variability between Predator 5s, but I can see how some can be ever so slightly off center which calls for calibration with a fixed reference point. For me the benefit of a fixed camera mount is that it is much less likely to shift after a crash (which I happen to do alot :P), which saves me alot of time fussing with the camera after a crash
@@DroneRacingAcademy yes the fixed camera mount helps in making sure that in that one quad, you’ll always get consistent view (assuming you’re using the same camera ) but due to camera variability (and this is real) unfortunately the only guaranteed way to get a consistent view across the fleet is to use a fixed reference point (first person view) when adjusting camera angle. I’ve only used predators (all the way from v1 ) and over the history of it, I have seen some crazy variation 😅
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Thanks John! Glad you found it helpful :)
I find that cameras with larger FOVs tend to be more lenient in regards to camera angle. One example of this is my 1s 3 inch babytooth with the super fisheye whoop camera lenses. When I crash, the camera angle sometimes goes off by a few degrees however, I am still able to fly just as consistently as before. I think this is because the larger FOV allows the pilot to see "more" and adapt to changes easier. In my opinion, a fixed camera angle is extremely beneficial. Not only does it increase the durability of the quad (if camera tilts and pulls on wires, for example), but it allows for more consistency in crashes. For freestyle, I think that camera angle should be higher, as in ~45ish. For racers, I think they should lower angle, to also around 45ish because it is a very versatile angle, given that the pilot has a wide FOV. For example, you can slow down a lot while still seeing clearly for freestyle. You can also pitch forward and really pick up speed for racing is desired also.
Interesting findings, I've always only used predators so i don't have a good sense of how FOV affects things, but I can see how a larger FOV can be a bit more forgiving.
I'll be doing a video on how to pick a camera angle, stay tuned!
Cam angle definitely make a difference. Once I bumped it to 45 deg and up (depending on track) my lines got way way better. And now 5 years later I find it hard AF to fly my freestyle rigs at 20 deg. 😂😂
What camera angle do you use ?
brother i have dji fpv goggles and remote so cant i have a pro racing drone with dji system??
please do help me
Cant you make a video about rates for racing 😀
Explains part of why my sim times are consistent and real world are not so consistent.
That could be it! Fixed angles made me a lot more consistent, also one less thing to fiddle with :)
Maybe you could show us how to choose proper camera angle for racing. Of course it is a preference after all, but maybe it would be good to show what happens when your camera angle is too low or too high for your skill level, etc. I see many beginner pilots cranking their cam angle to 50 degress and trying to hover around that way, which tremendously hinders their progress.
Hi Phobos, I do have a video planned on how to choose a camera angle in the upcoming videos :) Thanks for the suggestion! I think its very important to find an angle that you're comfortable with and able to handle (skill level appropriate)
Even with fixed print angle is not guaranteed! Every camera sensor is placed differently ... I look at my prop in Fpv view to make sure I’m somewhere close lol
CGO mentioned something similar in the comments, I've been lucky and my predators have been quite consistent. But you do bring a good point! Aligning your actual view after setting your quad up is just as important!
Do you happen to know the default camera angle of the wind5 lite as it comes from the factory?
I'm not sure sorry, it was probably around 30-35 degrees. I had to raise it significantly for racing =) did you just get a wind 5 lite?
@@DroneRacingAcademy Yes I did. I ended up printing the fixed 45 deg. camera mount and it fits me very well.
From a racing point of view I'm more in favour of matching camera angle to the full throttle balance point pitch and adjusting my turn combo of roll & yaw. That way the drone goes accurately where I aim it and doesn't float or sink at full speed.
The geometry of how roll and yaw change as the drone tilts forward is not intuitive. Roll does gradually tend towards Yaw. But Yaw tends toward Inverse Roll.
I fly often in the DRL sim at 55 degrees+ and fly in a High Angle mode with Roll and Yaw swapped, and Yaw inverted to compensate.
ruclips.net/video/ICHlw2VCOtI/видео.html
Thanks for the video
You're welcome. More to come!
Im using that frame with a racer 3 micro and i use a non fix mount. Hope someone designs one for micro
Interesting, any reason why you're using a micro and not a nano? There are nano mounts out there on thingiverse www.thingiverse.com/thing:4657732
@@DroneRacingAcademy i bought them for a different frame that i dint endup using and its hard to sell them so i decided to use them.
there is another problem....unfortunately not all cameras are manufactured the same (and consistently) so using a fixed camera angle does not necessarily mean you will have the same 'angle'. Sensors can be off centre, lens etc. The best is to have a reference point that you can use to adjust the camera 'angle' and you will see that using the same reference point, two cameras can be on a different 'angle'
I won't say fixed camera mount is very important....but i think more importantly is the camera angle VIEW (what you see in the goggle, not what you see how the camera is angled from a 3rd person view) is the important part
That's an interesting point! I haven't noticed too much variability between Predator 5s, but I can see how some can be ever so slightly off center which calls for calibration with a fixed reference point.
For me the benefit of a fixed camera mount is that it is much less likely to shift after a crash (which I happen to do alot :P), which saves me alot of time fussing with the camera after a crash
@@DroneRacingAcademy yes the fixed camera mount helps in making sure that in that one quad, you’ll always get consistent view (assuming you’re using the same camera ) but due to camera variability (and this is real) unfortunately the only guaranteed way to get a consistent view across the fleet is to use a fixed reference point (first person view) when adjusting camera angle. I’ve only used predators (all the way from v1 ) and over the history of it, I have seen some crazy variation 😅
Maybe drone racing academy can spearhead the discontinuing use of the word "quadcopter" and use the more proper "quadropter".
Quadropter? Is there a reference / meme I'm missing here? That's the first time i've heard of it :P
@@DroneRacingAcademy look for "According to this tweet, we should be renamed to multipter" on reddit (2018)
Ha! Learned something new today.. Language is fascinating =)