Odysseus is having a mental battle to understand if Mel is flirting with him, sheltered to the point she doesn't really understand or just very, VERY greek.
@@SirisInidite What? Not only was homosexuality not illegal, it was incredibly common for men (especially upper class and slaves) to take male lovers and engage in male only intercourse, even when married to a woman. Many of their male folk heroes and gods also took lovers, and people made pottery and tapestry depictions of the intercourse.
A reminder that Odysseus is not only married but his whole trip back from the Trojan War was all so he could see his wife and kid again - that, and he's seen what pissed off gods can do. Man is being as diplomatic as he can be.
He does mention in the game that he, his son and wife all drifted apart after reuniting. Considering he had changed as a person during his long journey it's not surprising really.
@@texasgam-ad8159 There isn't really a consensus if those were consensual on his part or coersion via the other parties. Circe coerces him to spare his men and Calypso hounds him for years beforehand. Man could've been graped
@@boyuanchen8373 All of Artemis' legends are so funny, guys try to see if they can get with virgin goddess only to scare her and get turned into animals. Or in the case of Orion chased for eternity by a really angry Scorpion.
In one of his conversations, he admits that he and Penelope are no longer together in death, presumably because she found out about the two goddesses he had an affair with during Homer's Odyssey.
@@chrisossu2070 I mean , it's hard to not find those two goddesses , because one of them birthed Telegonus and he travelled to find his father and human brother.
These scenes are so tantalizing...I want to start playing right away (I've already been spoiled on several things lol) but also want to wait for the full release lol
Thats what most attractive to me in Supergiant take of mythology (and similar artworks, Belarussian book series "Hades, favorite of Fate" is seemed to me in very close style. Also Percy Jackson of course), when they, researched topic enough, make stories that wasn't in original myths but they totally could be you can say its.. a faithful sequel to greek mythology 😂
He... _doesn't exactly have fond memories of goddesses._ Circe coerced him in exchange for the lives of his men being spared, while Calypso might as well have R-worded him by our modern standards. I'm pretty sure Osysseus is sweating boulders here, despite probably being relieved that Melione is such an innocent sweetheart.
I think it was mentioned in dialogue, like, "hecate dealt with your blood-curse" or something like that? It feels a little like a mystery; the crossroads also are stated to be the border between the afterlife and the surface.
She can’t as when you first go to the surface you rapidly lose health. But Moros gives her a prophecy or something that allows you to traverse the surface later on in the game.
@@Brntnugget Plus, Melinoe is associated with ghosts and nightmares , so it makes sense why she can stay on the surface longer than Zagreus, though not permanently.
@@marialuke2116nah i was also thinkin that. Supergiant knew to work around the weird incest in greek mythos, I can't imagine why they'd tease a romance between Odysseus and Mel
First of all, yeah, Odysseus is famous for being a great family man, even after he have been through a lot, he did everything to come back to his family. So that’s overall is quite strange… I hope no one will take this as an example of good behavior and no one will try to ruin others families, hope people will just take it as a joke or something…) But also looking at bathing pictures I thought maybe supergiant implied that underworld poor lighting makes all characters look darker? Though, gods can maybe lighten themselves and maybe they should’ve kept them lighter?)
I feel absolutely uncomfortable because he's in a flashback with child Melinoe saying he's at her service. He's been watching her grow up since she was a baby and the fact that you even have the option to bathe with him is already sus enough.. but from these comments, this seems to be an unpopular opinion.
Calm down, odysseus isn't a romance option. Mel uncle-zones him. Not that it will stop people from shipping them. People did ship zagreus with Achilles and patroclus back in the day.
@@killingyoursoul22 it's still a grown man who saw her grow up saying that he has bathed with goddesses in a suggestive way before and explaining that man bathing with a woman means something else to him as a mortal man. The whole situation is sus as fuck and it shouldn't happen at all.
I dont see anything sus about the way he acts. He acts like he us walking on Eggshalls. He us nervous or even afraid to offend the Goddess somehow. Nothing about what he said or how he acted indicates that he was trying to flirt with her. That is atleast the impresion I get from this scene. I personaly dont see a problem with them sharing a bath just becuse he watched her grow up.
@@sofaris576 if you taking baths with your uncle fully naked after you've grown, alright, you do whatever you want with your life, but me personally? I think it's weird.
@@aryss9174 On vacation me and my mother often went swiming in a Sea. The closest to that scene I experienced in my live. So no I do not think this is weird.
He very clearly does not want to be there... I swear something is going on with him, and I desperately want to get to the bottom of it. Everything I've seen so far is a SA victim blaming himself for events out of his control and self-sabotaging is relationship with the one he truly loves.
It's kinda confusing af. So you can romance your character's father figure whose entire deal was about returning to his wife that never cheated on him in 30 years, but romancing Dusa is a no-no, because her VA threw a hissy fit? What?
As far as I can tell, the bath is meant to be more platonic than that. Just an excuse to relax together. Heck you might be able to invite most of the characters in the camp to the bath since Od gets a heart above his head afterwards, and this whole thing gives me the impression of bath tickets being the replacement for ambrosia.
@@plague3038 While that could be true and it's obvious that Moros is the intended love interest (maybe Hypnos too if there's a way to wake him up relatively early), it still looks weird from the story perspective.
How is it confusing? There's a clear difference between writing in a romance for a fictional character, and a real-life person not wanting a romance for a character. A bunch of pixels isn't going to argue.
She is adult. And she is not (purposefully) trying to seduce married man. While he is done all what he can to not offend goddes nor cheat to his wife. So what you are signalling for?😂
They will make you feel guilty for a normal male female relationship by making the man way older than her. Because other romance option would be woman. Why make this so weird? Just make it simple
Why does this make you feel guilty? She is a goddess. Just enjoy the game and stop seeing ped0* ** in everything. American trying to not see ped**0ph in every fuckin thing, challenge level: IMPOSSIBLE.
Moros is main target of a male female relationship for Mel. Their chemistry is seen from the first dialogues. While Odysseus not only older, but very faithful for his wife, so overall he is clearly not a partner material for main character, and this scene, while fanservice, is not romantical, just Mel stumbling about cultural barrier between gods and mortals and Odysseus being diplomatic like he is explaining to child what mom and dad do in the bedroom
Odysseus is having a mental battle to understand if Mel is flirting with him, sheltered to the point she doesn't really understand or just very, VERY greek.
VERY GREEK i like this term
Pretty sure it’s because of his wife, Penelope. You know, the woman he loved so much that he went through the Odyssey to reunite with her.
you mean very gay?
@@manditensei205 greeks weren’t gay tho, at least didn’t legalize it I think
@@SirisInidite What? Not only was homosexuality not illegal, it was incredibly common for men (especially upper class and slaves) to take male lovers and engage in male only intercourse, even when married to a woman.
Many of their male folk heroes and gods also took lovers, and people made pottery and tapestry depictions of the intercourse.
Supergiant saw the community's thirst and said "fuck it, let's crank it to 11!"
Don't give any idea. Or next game there is a tickling mini game or tentacle mini game.
@@ghostrouxinol6169Who says we can't have them in this one? We already have a character that looks like they have tentacles. Her name is Scylla.
@@ghostrouxinol6169 Hades 3: ➡↘↩➡↘⤵🔃🔃↘↗↗↗⬆⬇↕⬅↩↔⤴↪
Nah this was mild af by non-western game standards.
I dont think so considering a lot of the designs are beyond ugly lol
This man cannot KEEP witches from throwing themselves at him
Being hot for mortal is fucking curse in a Mythic Greese 😂
I read Odysseia, and all I say, I understand.
A reminder that Odysseus is not only married but his whole trip back from the Trojan War was all so he could see his wife and kid again - that, and he's seen what pissed off gods can do. Man is being as diplomatic as he can be.
Granted but he did sleep with several women including a goddess to get to his wife. Just a Greek hero thing.
He does mention in the game that he, his son and wife all drifted apart after reuniting. Considering he had changed as a person during his long journey it's not surprising really.
@@texasgam-ad8159 There isn't really a consensus if those were consensual on his part or coersion via the other parties. Circe coerces him to spare his men and Calypso hounds him for years beforehand. Man could've been graped
@@rabbitguts2518Calypso straight up kept him on the island until the gods told her to let him go.
When he said “I am not one to say no to goddesses” he probably remembered what happened with Calypso and Circe 😬
Hecate was off to the side staring DAGGERS at Odysseus that entire bath.
Yup. She likes him!
Odysseus: sweating bullets
Melinoë: enjoying herself
Hecate: staring magical daggers at Odysseus
Nemesis: probably laughing her ass off
Penelope must be watching too.
The man is married and very loyal, nothing woulda happened
@@matejspevacek1226 In this game they are amicably separated, so it isn't really Penelope's business anymore
Gods have no shame is an understatement
Yes, Zeus, we are looking at you.
You sick fu -
Meanwhile Artemis glanced awkwardly at what used to be Actaeon and Siproites.
@@boyuanchen8373 All of Artemis' legends are so funny, guys try to see if they can get with virgin goddess only to scare her and get turned into animals. Or in the case of Orion chased for eternity by a really angry Scorpion.
@@yammoto148Yeah, but half of her victims only stumbled upon her bathing without prior knowledge
Comments need to chill 😂 just two friends takin a bath it ain’t that complicated
"No, no, no, it's not my first time! I just...haven't done it in a while"
We've all been there, Odysseus
A sentence we've all have to mutter from time to time.
He's just like me fr
God Melinoe and Odysseus' bath portraits have me down bad
Least bisexual hades fan
💕💜💙
Need. More. Bath. Portraits.
@@HydroH2The Coffin of Andy and Leyley and Hades II got good meal for anyone who want to look at both hot male and female characters :]
Melinoe has me questioning my asexuality to doubtsexuality so...
"Penelope... And Telemachus... I fight for us! I fight for uuus--"
"Hey Odysseus, wanna take a bath together?"
"... Forgive me, Penelope."
we stand for EPIC! Odysseus 😭✊✨
"... I'm just a man".
SHE IS SO CUTE WTF
She resembles her mother so that makes sense.
"We gods have no such shame."
Aphroditis: "Hell yeah we don't. "
Something something Hephaestus and a net.
0:12 Odysseus, you LITERALLY are the guy to say no to a goddess
Someone should call Penelope
I get the feeling she has a 6th sense at this point.
In one of his conversations, he admits that he and Penelope are no longer together in death, presumably because she found out about the two goddesses he had an affair with during Homer's Odyssey.
@@chrisossu2070I know about Circe cause they had 3 kids, who was the other one? Couldn’t have been Athena, cause she’s a virgin goddess
@@chrisossu2070 I mean , it's hard to not find those two goddesses , because one of them birthed Telegonus and he travelled to find his father and human brother.
@@chrisossu2070Probably because he had Telegonus with Circe, who would kill Odysseus, and marry Penelope
Tireas to Penelope
"I see your husband in a bath with a goddess"
Penelope: "WHO?!"
I see a song of past romance, I see the sacrifice of man, I see portrayals of betrayal and a brother's final stand
I see your husband on the brink of death. I see him draw his final breath. I see a man who bathes with an elegant woman. But it’s no longer you
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shenpai is going to completely melt if or when she sees this
like she wouldn't have a heat attack
@@akulsinator7680 I can't tell if you meant to say heat or actually meant heart because I think both would be applicable.
Shenpai's just going to flat out evaporate like the water in this spring
Oh my god, I can’t wait to
Tbh, Homeros' Odysseus would never dare such thing. He refuses Circe for a whole year. He was entirely committed to Penelope.
I suppose things are different when you're dead
Odysseus was fighting for his life
I would sell both ym kidneys and my legs to bathe w Odysseus 🗣
Would mortals often bathe Odysseus?
_time for a little white lie for the team_ thought the veteran tactician
Oh my, the close up portaits, I... 🥵
These scenes are so tantalizing...I want to start playing right away (I've already been spoiled on several things lol) but also want to wait for the full release lol
Why wait for the full release? I thought early access has everything? Just that it might be buggy?
@@alvadagansta Nope. You can defeat chronos, but there is no ending, just a screen that tells you that Mount Olympus is the next content.
It's better to just wait for the full game, go watch other videos
they call me melinoe, the way i wanna take bath salts with odysseus
I mean she wears that dress. Clearly she’s comfortable
This is definitely a Greek story.
Thats what most attractive to me in Supergiant take of mythology (and similar artworks, Belarussian book series "Hades, favorite of Fate" is seemed to me in very close style. Also Percy Jackson of course), when they, researched topic enough, make stories that wasn't in original myths but they totally could be
you can say its.. a faithful sequel to greek mythology 😂
Greek woke story u mean 😂
@@nameisnyx You mean not woke enough? Ancient greece was extremely gay
god damn they know how to attract us
Why did I just imagine Shrek popping in between them? I need a psychiatrist or something.
0:16 yeah…
"it is, agreeable, it is" lmao
Considering Odyseeus' past infidelity bro must be struggling
Odysseus is such a great husband, we need to strive to be more like him
Is that a CdawgVA or I'm just tripping?
The VA is Jason Marnocha, I had to look it up because I heard Connor also lol.
i have motivation to become hero now
Why did the Temp of the room just rise by 20 degrees
WOOOOOOF WOOOOOOF
Odysseus is hot asf
Hades would feed Odysseus to Cereberus.
I SHIP IT
No shit their known for their naked clothings lol
Odysseus make a move come on, you know you like her if not today she’ll be waiting 😏🫣
He... _doesn't exactly have fond memories of goddesses._
Circe coerced him in exchange for the lives of his men being spared, while Calypso might as well have R-worded him by our modern standards.
I'm pretty sure Osysseus is sweating boulders here, despite probably being relieved that Melione is such an innocent sweetheart.
Odysseus, quit cheating on your wife bro.
Isn't he like the most faithful dude in greek myths?
@@Hisnitchidk about most faithful but he sleeps with other women. Circe for a year. And Calypso for 9 year (granted he was forced to be with Calypso)
Come on, isn't he dead? Its "til death do us part"!
@@SSNamethey both abused the poor bastard
Lmao
One thing I’m confused about is why can Melonie survive on the surface but not her brother?
I think it was mentioned in dialogue, like, "hecate dealt with your blood-curse" or something like that? It feels a little like a mystery; the crossroads also are stated to be the border between the afterlife and the surface.
She can’t as when you first go to the surface you rapidly lose health. But Moros gives her a prophecy or something that allows you to traverse the surface later on in the game.
@@Brntnugget Plus, Melinoe is associated with ghosts and nightmares , so it makes sense why she can stay on the surface longer than Zagreus, though not permanently.
Because she DID die on the surface, and found a way to hold it off. Go play the game
Damn
Oh my goodness!!
I know Odysseus is married in life and all, but I wouldn’t mind shipping him and Mel 😅
He got divorced in this timeline
lol
(it's just kinda weird he's known her since she was a child. Is it just me?)
@@marialuke2116nah i was also thinkin that. Supergiant knew to work around the weird incest in greek mythos, I can't imagine why they'd tease a romance between Odysseus and Mel
@@marialuke2116 they're gods. I don't think moral is important for them. They often practice incest too
First of all, yeah, Odysseus is famous for being a great family man, even after he have been through a lot, he did everything to come back to his family.
So that’s overall is quite strange… I hope no one will take this as an example of good behavior and no one will try to ruin others families, hope people will just take it as a joke or something…)
But also looking at bathing pictures I thought maybe supergiant implied that underworld poor lighting makes all characters look darker? Though, gods can maybe lighten themselves and maybe they should’ve kept them lighter?)
Before I say anything bad, is Melinoe of age?
She’s a god so she’s probably older than she looks
She is an adult, yeah. But it is still kinda weird, since Odysseus has known her since she was a child lol
@@Mauricio0973Then just HOW old Odysseus is?
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э He's dead.
it doesn't fucking matter dude.
americans make everything weird.
I feel absolutely uncomfortable because he's in a flashback with child Melinoe saying he's at her service. He's been watching her grow up since she was a baby and the fact that you even have the option to bathe with him is already sus enough.. but from these comments, this seems to be an unpopular opinion.
Calm down, odysseus isn't a romance option. Mel uncle-zones him. Not that it will stop people from shipping them. People did ship zagreus with Achilles and patroclus back in the day.
@@killingyoursoul22 it's still a grown man who saw her grow up saying that he has bathed with goddesses in a suggestive way before and explaining that man bathing with a woman means something else to him as a mortal man. The whole situation is sus as fuck and it shouldn't happen at all.
I dont see anything sus about the way he acts. He acts like he us walking on Eggshalls. He us nervous or even afraid to offend the Goddess somehow. Nothing about what he said or how he acted indicates that he was trying to flirt with her.
That is atleast the impresion I get from this scene.
I personaly dont see a problem with them sharing a bath just becuse he watched her grow up.
@@sofaris576 if you taking baths with your uncle fully naked after you've grown, alright, you do whatever you want with your life, but me personally? I think it's weird.
@@aryss9174 On vacation me and my mother often went swiming in a Sea. The closest to that scene I experienced in my live. So no I do not think this is weird.
He very clearly does not want to be there... I swear something is going on with him, and I desperately want to get to the bottom of it. Everything I've seen so far is a SA victim blaming himself for events out of his control and self-sabotaging is relationship with the one he truly loves.
Projecting much?
The hell are you even talking about???
I mean, considering how the whole situation of Calipso was forced, I wouldn't blame him.
That’s basically the first half of the Odyssey, he was on Circe’s island for a year, and Calypso’s for nine
SA moment
It's kinda confusing af. So you can romance your character's father figure whose entire deal was about returning to his wife that never cheated on him in 30 years, but romancing Dusa is a no-no, because her VA threw a hissy fit? What?
As far as I can tell, the bath is meant to be more platonic than that. Just an excuse to relax together. Heck you might be able to invite most of the characters in the camp to the bath since Od gets a heart above his head afterwards, and this whole thing gives me the impression of bath tickets being the replacement for ambrosia.
@@plague3038 While that could be true and it's obvious that Moros is the intended love interest (maybe Hypnos too if there's a way to wake him up relatively early), it still looks weird from the story perspective.
@@ViApp0 does it? It is like she said, gods like her don't see things like humans. We find it weird because we are not greek gods.
How is it confusing? There's a clear difference between writing in a romance for a fictional character, and a real-life person not wanting a romance for a character.
A bunch of pixels isn't going to argue.
They should've gotten another VA then
🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🚔🚨🚔🚨🚔🚨
She is adult. And she is not (purposefully) trying to seduce married man. While he is done all what he can to not offend goddes nor cheat to his wife.
So what you are signalling for?😂
No bewbs?
There is, but they cut most of them out. Can't say I blame them for that!
@@Meals-sh9fs where i can find em (asking for a friend)
R34 @@gaturrooficial2727
@@Meals-sh9fs What?
@@arran4285 considering how this fandom tends to be I would rather not elaborate
Looks like fan service for people who can't admit being perverts.
They will make you feel guilty for a normal male female relationship by making the man way older than her. Because other romance option would be woman. Why make this so weird? Just make it simple
Why does this make you feel guilty? She is a goddess. Just enjoy the game and stop seeing ped0*
** in everything.
American trying to not see ped**0ph in every fuckin thing, challenge level: IMPOSSIBLE.
Moros is main target of a male female relationship for Mel. Their chemistry is seen from the first dialogues. While Odysseus not only older, but very faithful for his wife, so overall he is clearly not a partner material for main character, and this scene, while fanservice, is not romantical, just Mel stumbling about cultural barrier between gods and mortals and Odysseus being diplomatic like he is explaining to child what mom and dad do in the bedroom
Don't mind this but I am 100% not buying the game if they start making Achilles and Patroclus 'scenes'
Good for you. It's time for consumers to stop getting bullied by a minority of terminally online acustics.
@@Afreshio The irony is so good.
GAYYYYYYYYY