I like the 'migration' angle cause it implies that those people had actual reasons behind moving, other than this supernatural bloodlust we tend to think of. I'm guessing we call it 'invading' because in the XIXc. (where a lot of our popular historical imagination comes from) it was harder to create national myths around starving women and children.
I have read many comments starting with "Wow" now. Thats actually how i wanted to descripe this video aswell. Please keep up with content like this! I would love to see you improve even more, maybe by addressing these Videos not as a guide but as backstory to whatever your topic is paired with a game and inserting a few pictures.. Seeing a lot of potential in your Channel and i didnt hesitate to subscribe. Greetings from Bavaria
Anyway, I said a lot, but I also need to say thank you for your great work! I discovered your channel very recently and I love how you approach the games and how your knowledge of history provides such a great experience! Congrats!
I went looking for a video on how to do better as Anglia because I was struggling, but I wanted it to be from 2.0 so with filters stumbled to this video. Glad I did nice video
I thought that the Gutonics represented the Geats (Gutnish/Gutlanders), which is what that region of Sweden is named after (Goteland). Interesting that it is actually the Goths. I assume the Geats must have moved in from the north later on after the Goths vacated.
There is a possibility that Geats may actually have been the Gutones who stayed in their homeland in Scandivia while the ones who migrated to the western Pontic Steppe region became the Goths
I definitely support the "migration" over the "invasion" angle, its cool you can have so in-depth discussion on a small gaming channel. I'm kinda interested about what you meant when you said "people are what make history". Do you mean in a "great man history" kind of way, or in a "common humanity makes history" sort? Thank you!
Hope you guys can also make a documentary about the Batavi and the Batavian Revolt against the Romans wich was directly caused by the Year of the Four Emperors.
I love your historical start guides for CK3, I watched them to get immersed into the game and even listened to them while working as a kind of a podcast. I just now found that you also made this for Imperator, which is still my primary PDX game. Could you make more for Imperator?
Thanks and I’m glad you’re enjoying them. I was planning on doing some more for Imperator until PDS stopped development. I might still do some though on certain regions.
My comments on some of the missed details after actually watching the video (I am most interested in history of East-Central Europe so I only comment on that): - Marcomani established their territory after migrating to Bohemia, displacing and assimilating the Boii. Maroboduus is their famous leader. They also controlled Moravia, where the Romans found them in the 1st century AD and fought them in the Marcomanic wars in the late 2nd century AD - Langobardi eventually moved southeast along the Labe past Silesia and Moravia and into Panonia, which they vacated in 568 after the Byzantines allowed them to pass into Italy. Immediately after they vacated Pannonia, the Avars and Slavs arrived and the latter relatively quickly settled the region all the way to the Adriatic. - Lugii and Sciri: I am not sure about this, but from what I have read, the Vandals are usually associated with the former rather than the latter, because the latter are mentioned under this name beside the Vandals in the 5th century. Also both are placed along the Visla and in the interfluve between Visla and Dniester (in I:R a lot of these tribes are placed further northwest to account for their slow migration towards southeast.) - Amber road: the main route through which amber came to Rome led through today's Poland, Moravia, Pannonia, Slovenia and not through Germany and Gaul. Also amber can be found along the Polish Baltic coast, not only further north in the Baltics - Goths displaced Sarmatians at first in the northern Pontic steppes (Southern Ukraine between the Dniester and Dnieper) rather than in the lower Danube valley, where they moved later. The Dacia-Pannonia area has already been mentioned
Very interesting video...But I have to say that the region you are showing as Pannonia is actually Dacia...Dacia is in modern day Romania and the area you've been showing where the Goths eventually migrated...The region of Pannonia is in the Pannonian basin which is in Modern Day Hungary slightly north west,those lands are mostly plains and grasslands,that's why the Huns,Avars and later the Magyars settled the region so easily...You got the 2 regions confused several times during this video...In rest very very very interesting video,i really enjoyed it...
@Realmbuilderguy So I know you said you are going to stop making Imperator vids but then I saw the new Sparta vid go up. I had the idea that Right now might be an excellent time to make more of these kinds of regional guides at the very least for the regions you already play or care a lot about. not much is going to change for a year or so which means that this video and others like It will stay relevant and up to date longer than most PDX Guides. and if they never come back to the game then they will stay relevant for years. You mentioned that you had a fairly sizeable amount of your channel watching Imperator content. This might be one way to keep some such content on the channel. If it starts underperforming maybe killing the series is a good idea. But just because PDX pauses development or decides a game is now its final product doesn't mean that the existing audience is going anywhere. it might even still grow. in which case you would be capturing a large portion of that player base. given that so few youtubers ever made Imperator content and several are bound to quit on it with the recent news. it just seems a shame to abandon a large segment of your viewers. this could be one way to keep them without having to start a new lets play.
Those are all great points. I do want to bring the Sparta series to a proper ending. In terms of other guides, I might still make some but not as many as I had planned.
Idk it just makes more sense that they went to Britain and invaded them Even in their language we can see that the saxons/angles wernt fans of the britons because the word Welsh means foreigner in old English (at least I think its old English) And also there was a fair amount of Christians in Britain especially in the area what we call England and as we know Christians before idk the 20th century were very anti any other religions especially pagan religions They must've fought each other I have no doubt that they did but what we don't know is when, was it later on when the saxons/angles/jutes were established or was it near enough out right war
Suebia actually ended up in the western most part of Iberia and while Spain was influenced mostly by the Visigoths, Portugal and Spanish Galicia(Galicia being a pre portuguese culture which gave birth to Portuguese culture) was settles by the Suebi and was Suebi for far longer, being untouched/standing their ground there. This part of Ibera wa snot in the stream of peoples and invaders from north africa to modern day France and the other way, making that part a little less influenced, a little more isolated. So this is a precursor and one of many reason why the culture developed differently there and is one of many such reason as to why Portugal was different enough to be stubborn enugh not to be part of Spain.
I think in the case of the saxons you can go both ways, as I view the same for every migratory tribe: yes, they migrated and were forced or decided to do that for a number of reasons... but they also invaded already ocupied land by people that didn't exactly welcomed them with open arms or in some cases weren't even given a choice. I guess the focus on the invading part on the saxons is a result of Christian influence on that particular narrative. They were always the evil heathens, the enemies of God who invaded Britain and were at last defeated and subjugated by Christendom in the form of Charlemagne, who delivered divine justice upon a pagan people. So yeah, although the spotlight on the invasion part is heavily pointed at the saxons, this is probably due to them remaining pagans (or at least being viewed as pagans) in contrast with other migratory people that had embraced Christendom. But, economically, politically and socially speaking, they all did the same thing from a materialist perspective.
@@RealmBuilderGuy and maybe that might be the reason why the Romans (or whoever was recording history at the time) didn't care about differentiating between the tribes: whoever wrote it were christians, and saxons were heathens, so if you're a heathen, you're a saxon. I'm not an expert on the period nor have seen the primary sources but I would bet my guts they would have used both words interchangeably, and thus a multi-cultural body of tribes is reduce to a monolithic people whose main trait is being pagan. Something very similar happened with the huns, in fact. There's a lot a debate that probably the huns were a confederation of different steppe peoples, but they arrived to us as this block that was called "the huns".
Absolutely. And yes, most historical chroniclers of that time were Roman (Greek or Latin) or it came from sources writing centuries later. Prejudice certainly played into it, just like the writings referring to Vikings, Persians, and Mongols.
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Wow, amazing video man! Learning about the history of these tribes makes gameplay so much more immersive!
Thanks for watching and the kind words.
Came here for a game tutorial and got a FANTASTIC history lesson. Thank you.
I like the 'migration' angle cause it implies that those people had actual reasons behind moving, other than this supernatural bloodlust we tend to think of. I'm guessing we call it 'invading' because in the XIXc. (where a lot of our popular historical imagination comes from) it was harder to create national myths around starving women and children.
I have read many comments starting with "Wow" now. Thats actually how i wanted to descripe this video aswell. Please keep up with content like this!
I would love to see you improve even more, maybe by addressing these Videos not as a guide but as backstory to whatever your topic is paired with a game and inserting a few pictures..
Seeing a lot of potential in your Channel and i didnt hesitate to subscribe.
Greetings from Bavaria
Thanks!
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This video is absolutely genius, I watched the whole thing and never got bored. Keep it up!
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Really enjoyed the history discussion and the tips! Love your channel man, keep up the great work!
i'm definitely starting a germanic tribe campaign after my rome one is done great vid!
Thanks!
Love your videos man!
Thank you very much! This one took a lot of time, so I really appreciate the kind words.
Anyway, I said a lot, but I also need to say thank you for your great work! I discovered your channel very recently and I love how you approach the games and how your knowledge of history provides such a great experience! Congrats!
Thank you very much for the kind words and for watching. I really appreciate it.
I came for a gameplay guide, but actually got a history lesson.
wow dude thank you for this unexpected gem
Love these videos! Look forward to a Mideast or Asia IR guide video!
thank you for pronouncing jute correctly. you are the first academic i have heard do it
I try my best
By the way RBG, you want to right click on countries to bring up the diplomacy screen not left click
I know. It’s different in other games. I’m old and get confused easily 😂
Many thanks. Very informative and helpful.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome, really enjoyed this
Enjoyed your video immensely. Very interesting.
I went looking for a video on how to do better as Anglia because I was struggling, but I wanted it to be from 2.0 so with filters stumbled to this video. Glad I did nice video
I’m glad you enjoyed it 😊
I thought that the Gutonics represented the Geats (Gutnish/Gutlanders), which is what that region of Sweden is named after (Goteland). Interesting that it is actually the Goths. I assume the Geats must have moved in from the north later on after the Goths vacated.
It’s all a bit murky, which is why I also mentioned both origin theories. At the end of the day, nobody is 100% sure either way.
I was under the impression that part of the theory for the Goths coming from Guteland/Goteland was a common root for the names
That adds to it, yes.
There is a possibility that Geats may actually have been the Gutones who stayed in their homeland in Scandivia while the ones who migrated to the western Pontic Steppe region became the Goths
I definitely support the "migration" over the "invasion" angle, its cool you can have so in-depth discussion on a small gaming channel. I'm kinda interested about what you meant when you said "people are what make history". Do you mean in a "great man history" kind of way, or in a "common humanity makes history" sort? Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words. By “people” I mean all people, regardless of societal “rank” in that sense.
@@RealmBuilderGuy Amazing. Subscribed and looking into my budget to see if I can give you support, your content is golden, keep up the great work.
From this video around 9:39 I realized how close the town I was born in (paderborn) is to teutoburg Forrest
It really is. I usually drive through (around) Bielefeld to get there.
More Imperator Rome please. I know its not that popular but its a great game.
It’s one of my absolute favorite games
Hope you guys can also make a documentary about the Batavi and the Batavian Revolt against the Romans wich was directly caused by the Year of the Four Emperors.
Loved this video, can you do the same for other regions like Gaul or Britain?
Thanks! They’re on the list.
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I love your historical start guides for CK3, I watched them to get immersed into the game and even listened to them while working as a kind of a podcast. I just now found that you also made this for Imperator, which is still my primary PDX game. Could you make more for Imperator?
Thanks and I’m glad you’re enjoying them. I was planning on doing some more for Imperator until PDS stopped development. I might still do some though on certain regions.
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Paradox needs to get back to this game. They could make the germanics and celts really mythical and interesting to play as.
Late to the party but didn't the Guthionians stay (or at least some of them did) and fight the Swedes (Sudonians) as the Geats/Gautr ?
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My comments on some of the missed details after actually watching the video (I am most interested in history of East-Central Europe so I only comment on that):
- Marcomani established their territory after migrating to Bohemia, displacing and assimilating the Boii. Maroboduus is their famous leader. They also controlled Moravia, where the Romans found them in the 1st century AD and fought them in the Marcomanic wars in the late 2nd century AD
- Langobardi eventually moved southeast along the Labe past Silesia and Moravia and into Panonia, which they vacated in 568 after the Byzantines allowed them to pass into Italy. Immediately after they vacated Pannonia, the Avars and Slavs arrived and the latter relatively quickly settled the region all the way to the Adriatic.
- Lugii and Sciri: I am not sure about this, but from what I have read, the Vandals are usually associated with the former rather than the latter, because the latter are mentioned under this name beside the Vandals in the 5th century. Also both are placed along the Visla and in the interfluve between Visla and Dniester (in I:R a lot of these tribes are placed further northwest to account for their slow migration towards southeast.)
- Amber road: the main route through which amber came to Rome led through today's Poland, Moravia, Pannonia, Slovenia and not through Germany and Gaul. Also amber can be found along the Polish Baltic coast, not only further north in the Baltics
- Goths displaced Sarmatians at first in the northern Pontic steppes (Southern Ukraine between the Dniester and Dnieper) rather than in the lower Danube valley, where they moved later. The Dacia-Pannonia area has already been mentioned
Great additions and thanks for taking the time to share them
wouldnt call this a guide as much of a history lesson which is fine just not what i thought it would be from the title
It’s a guide to the regions and starts, with their histories and possible strategies. But it’s not a “how to” tutorial guides in that regard.
Very interesting video...But I have to say that the region you are showing as Pannonia is actually Dacia...Dacia is in modern day Romania and the area you've been showing where the Goths eventually migrated...The region of Pannonia is in the Pannonian basin which is in Modern Day Hungary slightly north west,those lands are mostly plains and grasslands,that's why the Huns,Avars and later the Magyars settled the region so easily...You got the 2 regions confused several times during this video...In rest very very very interesting video,i really enjoyed it...
Duly noted. Thanks.
@@RealmBuilderGuy cheers...Really love the videos...Keep up the good work
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@Realmbuilderguy So I know you said you are going to stop making Imperator vids but then I saw the new Sparta vid go up. I had the idea that Right now might be an excellent time to make more of these kinds of regional guides at the very least for the regions you already play or care a lot about.
not much is going to change for a year or so which means that this video and others like It will stay relevant and up to date longer than most PDX Guides.
and if they never come back to the game then they will stay relevant for years.
You mentioned that you had a fairly sizeable amount of your channel watching Imperator content. This might be one way to keep some such content on the channel. If it starts underperforming maybe killing the series is a good idea. But just because PDX pauses development or decides a game is now its final product doesn't mean that the existing audience is going anywhere. it might even still grow. in which case you would be capturing a large portion of that player base. given that so few youtubers ever made Imperator content and several are bound to quit on it with the recent news.
it just seems a shame to abandon a large segment of your viewers. this could be one way to keep them without having to start a new lets play.
you might even do a more in depth mechanics and staring guides concept. if those remain unlikely to change.
Those are all great points. I do want to bring the Sparta series to a proper ending. In terms of other guides, I might still make some but not as many as I had planned.
Just a friendly fyi: you don't need a border with unsettled land to be able to migrate, since migration armies can walk freely through any territory.
That’s true.
Idk it just makes more sense that they went to Britain and invaded them
Even in their language we can see that the saxons/angles wernt fans of the britons because the word Welsh means foreigner in old English (at least I think its old English)
And also there was a fair amount of Christians in Britain especially in the area what we call England and as we know Christians before idk the 20th century were very anti any other religions especially pagan religions
They must've fought each other I have no doubt that they did but what we don't know is when, was it later on when the saxons/angles/jutes were established or was it near enough out right war
Good points
Suebia actually ended up in the western most part of Iberia and while Spain was influenced mostly by the Visigoths, Portugal and Spanish Galicia(Galicia being a pre portuguese culture which gave birth to Portuguese culture) was settles by the Suebi and was Suebi for far longer, being untouched/standing their ground there.
This part of Ibera wa snot in the stream of peoples and invaders from north africa to modern day France and the other way, making that part a little less influenced, a little more isolated.
So this is a precursor and one of many reason why the culture developed differently there and is one of many such reason as to why Portugal was different enough to be stubborn enugh not to be part of Spain.
the Suebi culture I mean, continued to exist there for a very lonmg time, alongside Visigothic Iberia
Good stuff LOL.
I think in the case of the saxons you can go both ways, as I view the same for every migratory tribe: yes, they migrated and were forced or decided to do that for a number of reasons... but they also invaded already ocupied land by people that didn't exactly welcomed them with open arms or in some cases weren't even given a choice. I guess the focus on the invading part on the saxons is a result of Christian influence on that particular narrative. They were always the evil heathens, the enemies of God who invaded Britain and were at last defeated and subjugated by Christendom in the form of Charlemagne, who delivered divine justice upon a pagan people.
So yeah, although the spotlight on the invasion part is heavily pointed at the saxons, this is probably due to them remaining pagans (or at least being viewed as pagans) in contrast with other migratory people that had embraced Christendom. But, economically, politically and socially speaking, they all did the same thing from a materialist perspective.
Very well said. 👍
@@RealmBuilderGuy and maybe that might be the reason why the Romans (or whoever was recording history at the time) didn't care about differentiating between the tribes: whoever wrote it were christians, and saxons were heathens, so if you're a heathen, you're a saxon. I'm not an expert on the period nor have seen the primary sources but I would bet my guts they would have used both words interchangeably, and thus a multi-cultural body of tribes is reduce to a monolithic people whose main trait is being pagan.
Something very similar happened with the huns, in fact. There's a lot a debate that probably the huns were a confederation of different steppe peoples, but they arrived to us as this block that was called "the huns".
Absolutely. And yes, most historical chroniclers of that time were Roman (Greek or Latin) or it came from sources writing centuries later. Prejudice certainly played into it, just like the writings referring to Vikings, Persians, and Mongols.
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German ancestors, and noone does a campaign
One day I will. I’m hoping tribes get an update