'All your hopes destroyed' | Elizabeth of York & Perkin Warbeck
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The book was pretty depressing compared to the show. Henry treated her horribly and was always suspicious and cruel to her. At least the show gave her some happiness even if it was short.
I agree so much ! I read The White Princess two months ago and it shocked me how cruel he was to Lizzie. I thought their relationship would be quite similar to the one in the show.
@@modusetboarchannel5666 That's because it was. Henry adored Elizabeth, he was heartbroken and never remarried. He locked himself in his room when she died. He never cheated on her.
@@modusetboarchannel5666 which is completely false because Henry Tudor loved Elizabeth deeply. He never had a mistress and entered a deep depression when she died.
Philippa Gregory books have almost zero historical accuracy plus she has a hard on for the Yorks and even included incest. If anything the show was more accurate with how Henry felt for Elizabeth than that ridiculous book.
Yeah, the book -- which I didn't care for -- tried to make things more dramatic by having Henry be verbally and physically cruel to Elizabeth. In actuality, he wouldn't have harmed a hair on Elizabeth's lovely head. They had a happy marriage...until tragedy struck and their oldest son died, followed not long after by Elizabeth herself.
Actually in the books, it is Henry not Elizabeth calling for the death of Warbeck/Richard. Elizabeth always thought he was her brother but never publically acknowledge d him. She asked her husband for Mercy for the boy and her cousin Edward. I don't know why they have reversed this in the mini series. She believed that the curse would rain down on them if Warbeck/Richard was killed.
I guess they wanted to make a parallel to Lizzie's parents in that just like her father she was forced to kill a brother too protect her families claim and just like her mother she is willing to do anything to protect her sons, if people like it or not Lizzie in the show is every inch of her parents child for better or worse.
I don't think it matters. This flick is a bunch of nonsensical crap anyway, just like all the flicks based on Philippa Gregory's historical FICTION.
That is why she set the wardrobe on fire-to give him and Cathy a way out. I know it is fictional-since Harry wanted Perkin dead as much as his mother and his wife did. To make things much worse she was hoping against hope that Perkin was not her brother “Perkin”. Although in the first episode of the current series when Queen Elizabeth is hiding the prince away she calls him,”Perkin”
In real life, she was never allowed to see warbeck/richard and Henry VII ruined his face after he had warbeck killed because he looked like Edward IV and Elizabeth. A lot of historians believed he was actually Richard based on his knowledge and looks
Turns out your mother's witchcraft was not luck Lizzie... Henry's blood was already cursed due to his mother's decision to murder the boys. Gods this is so far away from history and yet ... closer than one wants it to be
Yes and they blamed King Richard III to be the villian
Thats right 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Tudors was great, white queen was great, white princess was great, now please someone make Elizabeth series now.
I know right
Have you seen the Spanish Princess. They doing Anne Boleyn that is coming out
Theres an upcoming series from starz about the young elizabeth I , I finished those 3 and so far I liked the white princess then the tudors and white queen, didnt like the spanish queen and only finished the first season
Margaret de la Pole (the Maggie in the series) was killed by Henry VIII. She was old and her death was not pretty. She was convicted of not accepting the fact that Henry VIII had divorced his wife and had married Anne Boleyn. She was hacked to death.
Actually Margaret Pole was executed because Henry VIII wanted her son. Her son had fled to Italy and she was bait.
@@dorothypozi543 Margaret Pole Plantagenet was killed because she had a stronger claim to the throne that is why she died; it took 11 blows of the axe to cut off her head. Henry VIII killed her, one of her sons and her grandson who was 10 years old. She also supported Catherine of Argon and would not see Anne Boleyn as Queen. At this point Henry VIII did not have a male heir that was legitimate where as the York side of the family had many males with stronger claims to the throne than the King.
@@AnnaBellaChannel True. She did have a stronger claim to the throne and she was a supporter of Catherine of Aragon. However, her son Reginald was sent by the Pope to organise a march on London to install a Catholic government in England instead of Henry VIII's Protestant government. Reginald was also sent to the Holy Roman Emperor to organise an embargo against England. Two of Reginald's brothers Geoffrey and Henry were arrested afterwards alongside their mother. Geoffrey was pardoned, Henry was executed for treason. Margaret had been in the Tower for over two and a half years before she was executed.
Ugh, wasn't her execution horrible? Sometimes the monarch would commute, say, a sentence of being hanged, drawn and quartered to a more merciful beheading. Of course, the beheading was only more merciful if the axeman cut off the person's head with one blow. That wasn't always the case, and poor Margaret de la Pole suffered a particularly horrific execution.
This made me cry of sadness and happiness
Wow!! How PERFECTLY you depicted their story...👍 LOVE THE WAY YOU CHOOSE THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO...THE SONG...THE SCENES...AND THE POWERFUL ENDING!!
Thank you very much ! It was the first time we edited a video this way so we were a bit afraid about the way people would receive it. Thanks for your endless support ! :)
You made the movie so fast! So I am extremly happy ❤ It's something new and it's much diffrent than yours another productions. Anyway! I always think how much Elizabeth takes after her father, Edward IV. Elizabeth wanted save her family like her father, when he issued a death sentence on his brother, George, Duke of Clarence 👑 Elizabeth likes her father - they would do anything to protect the family. So I think Elizabeth is the father's daugther. What about Prince Richard, Duke of York? I think he was a mixture of characters of the mother and father. He fought for his inheritance, which certainly made him 🌼 York 🌼 In any case, I think that the story presented is tragic from every angle. In The White Princess I had sympathy for Duchess Ceciliy. She lost everything. I feel sorry for her. As for Margaret of Burgundy, in this part she is a kind of "kingsmakers" like Richard Neville in 🌼 The White Queen 🌼. Her niece Margaret Platagenet is very like her father. She conspires with her aunt Margaret of Burgundy like her father conspired with his father-in-law, Lord Warwick. Unfortunately, they lack the talent for conspiracy and quickly get into trouble. Generally, I think the Duke of Clarence's line is unlucky - his father was beheaded, his son was beheaded, his daugther was beheaded, his grandson was beheaded... I think I should end my comment 😂😂😂 So! Once again! You doing a great job! Who's next? Jane Shore or someone else?
Thank you very much ! We decided to try something new this time. We never thought about the parallel between Elizabeth of York and her father, but you're right : they both chose to kill a member of their close family in order to protect their power. We do love Margaret Plantagenêt. She inherited her mother's weakness but is far more loyal than her father : that's what differentiates her from Georges, who was only interested in his own power. As you say, the Clarence's line was more than unlucky, their destinies was tragic... Even if we do not like very much Elizabeth of York in this series, we are forced to concede that she was in a troubled situation. Her mother's ambition killed too many people.
We did not decide yet, but sure we'll soon make a video about Jane Shore. :D
Elizabetha Wydeville yet the mother of a dynasty through her daughter
Yes, he was denounced and "confessed" while under torture to being an imposter, but I personally believe that Warbeck WAS Richard!
We only have evidence that the Princes were in the Tower then disappeared, not that they were murdered.
Amazing as always! I always look forward to your videos!
Thank you ! :)
Summertime sadness..
I have to say I really like this. I'm always looking for Elizabeth videos and your others seem to have not my type of music with weird song lyrics that constantly flash up that make the video too distracting to watch, but this is really great with the voice overs and actually tells a story. Please make more of these type. The ones with song lyrics just take away from the video and aren't memorable.
Read about a pair of skeletons buried under the stairs -every ruler since they have been found has refused to have them see if they were brothers
yh we don't know who the skeletons belong to because they didn't analyze it, but it seems that people says that the bodys are to King Edward V and his brother Prince Richard the Duke of York
Love this song
Don't threaten her children you wouldn't end up dead. Kids outrank brothers.
I didn't watch the series but did he threaten her children
Tianna Hook if he claimed to the throne, he would definitely have to kill her sons in order to avoid further conflicts and threats from their father’s side house of Tudor
@Amanda Charlebois That was Richard not Edward, but yeah within this show I doubt he would've actually harmed his sisters children.
@Amanda Charlebois In those times, a woman would never have inherited over a boy. In fact, it's only just recently that the British Royals changed the succession laws so that if a girl is born first, she can inherit. But, up until just this century, a male would always trump a female in terms of succession.
And to you,that was an excuse to kill her own brother,how despicable
Tearful and brilliantt
Good videos are always good videos. I'm necroing this one because I love the series, and the topic. Philippa Gregory has written in these books what we all think or wish. Great books, great television series', and great filling-in of the missing pieces. But that's what they will always be...missing pieces. These interpretations are just that...interpretations. We will never know what happened to the Princes of Edward IV, or who was responsible, (Though I DO like to imagine it was Lady Beaufort and her husband, THE CONSTABLE OF THE TOWER). We will never know if Perkin Werbecque was, or was not, actually Richard of Shrewesbury, Duke of York. And we will never know what was truth, and what was political propaganda. History is rewritten by the winners, whether they deserved to win or not. What we DO know is that, according to the documentation we have, Elizabeth of York never met Werbecque face to face. She was never asked to, and she dismissed him immediately as a pretender, as did Lady Margaret Pole. There is ZERO evidence that Richard III and his niece enjoyed anything other than a politely suspicious relationship at best. And that Henry VII had zero claim to the throne based on John of Gaunt as the House of Lancaster would have you believe, but DID have absolute claim by Right of Conquest laws after definitively defeating Richard III at Bosworth. I firmly expect to be zerged by the Ricardians for saying that, but it's true. He had a motive, he had the ability, and he got up to a lot of super-suspish shenanigans between when Edward died and Bosworth. I love Ms. Gregory's interpretation of those missing pieces, and I enjoyed this video because we do also believe there was a genuine relationship between Lizzie and Henry. I think he's been unfairly judged by history and this video highlights that. I hope more people see it. These series seem to be enjoying a surge of popularity since the death of our beloved Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh. God Save the Queen! ♥
It’s so beautiful video 😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️
Thanks
Lex G.
All of you judging Elizabeth as an ambitious and vile woman need to understand this very clearly.
She is a woman in power. A woman with many benefits but no true allies but her husband. Everyone around her may be her “friends” until they see a better alternative who is of greater value to them. Elizabeth did what wives and queens were expected to do. She stayed loyal to her husband and his cause. She protected her right as queen of England.
Those who expect her not to kill her brother are foolish and idealists. A threat could remove you remove from the throne and once displaced Elizabeth, her husband and her young children would have been killed as was the custom. To ensure there were no threats to the new king.
We see pain on her face. She didn’t do it because she didn’t love her brother. She did it because she loved her husband and children more
And at least in the series she tried to save him more than once, and i think she tried in history to avoid executing him, but that needed to be done
but what about teddy that poor innocent boy who only wanted a friendly dog haaa... how could she kill him . how could she :'( .................
and yes she did try to save richard but he didn't listen . but she didn't give a chance to teddy ......
all of his life locked in a tower and on a cold snowy morning gets waked up to feel a cold cleaver on his neck ... damn . i have never cried like that in my life
Elizabeth of York was by all accounts a kind and compassionate woman, not in the least ambitious and certainly not one to throw her family under the bus (so to speak; buses hadn't been invented yet). In any case, do not judge her on this miniseries because this miniseries is nonsense. There were a couple of pretenders claiming to be Edward or Richard, but they were just that: pretenders. Perkin Warbeck, the Prince Richard pretender, was initially not executed for treason; King Henry VII spared his life, albeit put him under a kind of house arrest. When Warbeck escaped, he was recaptured and THEN he was executed. He was not beheaded with a sword, though. In fact, he wasn't beheaded at all. He was hanged. No one from the Royal Family attended the execution, and he didn't bellow dramatically, "England, receive my BLOOD!" while holding his hands out in a crucifixion-like pose (so subtle!).
yup... plus his brother so ungrateful and greedy.. And even his wife planned to take revenge on his sister's family.. He should just run when he had the chance...
@@princevegetaassad6354 because she is tuder and Tuders were file murderers
I'm trying to find a video when I can hear the words over the loud music
What are the songs in this called?
I understand why she did it, I mean of course it was some of her own ambition, but she grew to love Henry and got used to her position as queen. Also she loved her children greatly and nobody can tell me, that they would have stepped aside, so their children wouldn‘t get the throne. Also it wasn‘t really clear, if he was her brother, there were a few hints, but I‘m not sure... I like the video
Wow...forgive me, but Jodie Comer is a really good actress. I think this miniseries was her big break, because she went from being a total unknown to almost ubiquitous, overnight.
I started to like her after watching this series ;)
I hear summertime sadness
It was either her brother or her sons. She couldn't save both. In order to be a good king and keep the peace that Henry VII was fighting for he had to eliminate any threat to his and his family's security. As long as "Perkin Warbeck" and Edward Plantagenet the 17th Earl Of Warwick were still living Henry and his family would never be safe, never sleep easily. There would always be rebellion with those two young men as the figure heads. They as tragically as it is for me to say 😢 had to die. For the sake of Henry VII Dynastic Future
But this ending has no sense (if I didn't miss something). I mean, the children of a killer were supposed to be cursed and die. Perkin was depicted as a true brother of Elizabeth so she and henry are killers of one brother but their children survived - not all but they had an heir. The other brother's killer is either Richard III or Margaret Beaufort. Richard was depicted as an innocent and good human being most of the time in the series but died heirless. Margaret on the other hand, my true villain had not only seen her baby boy live but seen him also as a king.
Yes but eventually the "curse" did bore fruit though for the male line of house Tudor died with the death of Edward VI aka Lizzie's grandson
@@Jayjay-mb4xp Yeah, right. I don't remember the words of the curse but i thought the death would be somewhere closer in line.
He had to die along wiht teddy because she wanted Arthur to marry Catherine all that spanish gold
Margret Beaufort was the one behind the killings
Yes it does make sense. Her children lived for the moment. But Arthur died at 16 with no hair, and Henry VIII died with a Male heir who also only survived until 15 or 16. He did not have an heir of his own. Then of course the Tudor dynasty died out after Elizabeth I who died without an heir. That is why the Englush throne went to the House of Stuart, and thus why the Monarch of Great Britain is also that of Scotland today.
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Straight up HATED the ending. Like the entire story was just dissappointing, not knowing who was the protagonist and antoginst, and the character you are forced to follow is making mistake after mistake. The last straw was when she sentenced her mentally impaired cousin to death and the her brother (who yes I believe is her brother because if he wasn’t then he would have ran away with his wife). She became the thing she hate, her mother-in-law. And her cousin Maggie was right, her mother would be appalled of her.
Deadass only watched the show for Jodi Comer.
Me too!
I couldn't stand the main girl the longer I watched but the last straw was when she killed teddy and her brother, I wanted to see her suffer the curse and then off with her head!
Once you turn basterd tuder your never the same I loath the Tuders and in the UK there treat as like a god like status
I kinda understand elizabeth of york sadly she had to choose her kids life or her cousin's and her possible brother life so as a mother her choice is very obvious but i think them killing edward plantagenant was horrible he signed any rights off to the throne and move leave the country to france maybe just out of sight
You do know this is based on history? You can't really hate history.
@@lucareystargaryen1365 Henry ordered Edward's death, Lizzie had virtually no say as the Queen Consorts had very little power. it is just a show using today's twist on women but in reality Henry did not consult with her.
And now we have the nikolai fans hunting down every video of him!
Question are a few of the actors the ones that were in the white QUEEN, The kings curse, the red queen? All the way back to when Elizabeth woodville was a widow with two boys b4 meeting Edward if?? Or is this different books from other authors
The books are all by the same author, Philippa Gregory. The actors are from some three different series based on said books
@@pipitameruje yeah i have all the books ...vi watched and white queen But the Tudors i xouldnt watch it after Margaret Tudor was marry the french king, when it was mary Tudor at that time period Margaret was queen of Scotland.... but when i watch these all rolled into 3_5vmins i would like to watch But im not sure where to start i want ro watch the Philippa Gregory ones. I think the spanish princess is a series now & i thiught i saw a clip of the "the other queen?? Is Margaret pole in her own series from the books or is this just her in the white princess series??
The two shows, The White Queen and The White Princess had different mostly different casts. I believe the only one who appeared in both was Caroline Goodall who played Cecily Neville, mother of Edward IV and Richard III. The first series TWQ opens with Elizabeth Woodville first meeting Edward IV shortly after the death of her first husband, John Grey, who fought against Edward.
So where did the other queens or woman like margaret Beaufort i tske it she ages in the white princess??? I do wonder if they will tlell Margaret lady Salisbury book ..... the kings curse,
But i see alot of her early story imn twq& twp & now catariana is from the same continuation??
@@76jonboi There were three actresses who portrayed Margaret Beaufort in the series. The White Queen takes place from 1464 - 1485 so she goes from 21-42, the White Princess goes from 1485-1499 so she goes from 42-56, and the Spanish Princess goes from 1501-1509, the year she dies so she goes from 58 - 66. She is the only adult character to appear in all three series as the only character born when the first one opens up was her son, he would have been 7.
I don’t get it its movie or Tv series? name?
I think it is referring to The White Princess, a series on Starz (?), not quite sure about that. The WP is Elizabeth (aka Lizzie) of York, daughter of Edward IV & Elizabeth Woodville. Married to Henry VII Tudor. Mother of Arthur, Henry VIII, Margaret Queen of Scots, & Mary, briefly Queen of France & later Duchess of Suffolk. The series is based on Philippa Gregory's novel(s).
That’s Richard the IV not Perkin Warbeck
it has been well established that Richard York, junior, died before he was 12 as he and his older brother Edward never made it out of the tower alive. Their aunt, The Duchess of Burgundy, sister to their father Edward IV, created a school to educate boys born around the same time they were, and used servants from their father and uncle (Richard III) court to train them to pretend to be Richard (junior) so the York family could take back the throne. Perkin was not the first to try it, but was the last as when they said he was "real", it prevented the next pretender from trying a year later.
My Short Review of this Series:
By the beginning of the Series. I hated Elizabeth's sl*t sister.😒
By the end, I hated Elizabeth.😡
Yeah I understand to why she did what she did to extant, but the way she treated her York family who had been with her her entire life was quite appaling at times.
Let's be honest, the claim of the Tudors was very weak, and because of this Henry Tudor and his son Henry VIII was so paranoid , they were afraid and with good reason, as even some of the nobles had a much stronger claim to the throne , I don't think that the Tudors deserved the throne, not only because I don't like even a little bit of them, but that's the story, it all happened as it should.
Sincerely hated lizzy at the end of this show
I couldn't believe how a sister murdered her own brother, i can't even now. She called her mother's curses as just a matter of luck, when she herself was there to cast spells on their mutual enemies. Didn't isabel and George's son die because of the storm the mother-daughter brought? Didn't they cast a spell to distract warwick's troops? Didn't the rain help them in another battle? Lizzie was stupid at this point.
Nothing in this drama was historically accurate, watch an actual documentary - read historical books about this era, about the reign Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. She was never in a relationship with her uncle Richard (the King before Henry VII took the throne), her marriage with Henry VII was actually quite a happy one.
In real life, she never acknowledge any of the pretenders to be any of her brothers. All of the men who pretended to be the brother of Elizabeth of York were sent by the Duchess of Burgundy, in the hopes of stirring political unrest.
@@noodlelazy where did i mention the HISTORICAL FACTS OR EVENTS TOOK PLACE THEN? All i talked about is the serial. Can't we comment on a character? Or her actions? Do not confuse a serial with the real events took place when neither you nor i was present.
@@nelaanna5879 Thank you!! The show has no consistency. It did not follow the White Queen very well. And in the beginning she was all for helping her brother reclaim his rightful place as king, but then she turned into a tudor sooo quickly. And when she told Maggie Richard killed the boys and the curse was not real. I was like what!? She has seen her mothers curses work before. She even heard her mother call him Perkin and say he was going to be staying with a man named Warbeck. So how did she not put two and two together??
I hated how Elizabeth Woodville in this series even said her curses were just luck. Elizabeth from TWQ would never had said that. She believed she was a descendant of Melusina.
Idk if you have seen the Spanish Princes, but in season 2 they completely throw out the curse theory. Which was annoying because the whole point of the shows is that they revolve around the king curse.
God! I hated Elizabeth Woodville in TWQ....even her daughter...Now..comes Elizabeth of York...I probably hate her the most...How could she kill her own brother?? Her own blood??? She choose a stranger...a man who probably helped destroy...her family...her House...over her own people?? The last scene of TWP made me cry so much...😭 She got her cousin even executed...for no reason. Just because he was a York. He was innocent did not claim the throne...yet she had him executed...I AM SO HAPPY THAT HER FIRSTBORN SON...AND GRANDSON DIED. Probably, there is a reason why Henry VIII never had a grandson.
She had her brother killed to protect her children... is it that hard to understand? She had a vision of Richard on the throne causing her sons deaths, so she killed him to save her children, as I would imagine any mother would.
she didn't kill her own blood ..her family she saved and protected them.. her family was her husband and her children if perkin had surveyed and gotten the throne her children would have probably been executed since they would have been a threat to the crown.. and if she had supported perkin but he had failed than she would have been a traitor against her husband the king .. she choose the right thing especially since there is no 100 % ensurance that perkin was her brother
Stark Queen No, of course not. Any mother would go to any extend to protect her children. The brother I am talking about, is more specifically Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick (I am talking about historic facts not of the show). He was completely innocent. He never wanted the throne. He has no interest in it. Moreover, His potential claim to the throne following the deposition of his cousin Edward V in 1483 was overlooked because of the argument that the attainder of his father also barred Warwick from the succession, unless it could have been reversed by an Act of Parliament, which neither did Richard III or Henry VI did.
If we talk about Perkin Warbeck, in the last episode, when Elizabeth asks him that..'if he ever sat on the throne, what would happen to her children and husband..to which he replied, they are his nephews & nieces, hence, they will stay in the royal court and her husband being a warrior, he will fight.' In her reply & expression, it can be clearly seen that she doesn't want to give up her throne, making her greedy.
Also, we have no idea, did she really have a dream or vision in reality.
Laura Hammerl Her children were her own blood, her husband wasn't. She at first didn't accept Henry VII as her own, since he destroyed her House. Historically & even in the show, Elizabeth of York at first wasn't at all interested in marrying Henry VII. But, since her mother has brokered an alliance with Margaret Beaufort, hence she had to. According to the show, Perkin Warbeck is indeed Richard of Shrewsbury. And..in the show..Perkin did assure Elizabeth that 'her children & she would stay at court since they are his nephews & nieces'. According to History, many historians debate until this day whether Warbeck was the lost Duke of York or not. Nobody clearly knows the truth. Unless, Elizabeth knew truly deeply in her heart that her 2nd brother survived, only then she would help him otherwise (just as you clearly said) she would have been declared a traitor and perhaps executed. It would have been useless to support an impostor and jeopardise the life of ger children. Even if historically, Warbeck was indeed Richard, and if he got the throne, it would be useless for him to execute his nephews since (if Henry VII was too deposed) they had no strong enough claim to throne. Then the contenders to the English throne would be Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick & Richard himself.
Emily. Oh, well that excuses her actions.....
Evil.
Great Video but I dont like Perkin.
Personally, I don't think he's Prince Richard. But Perkin's story is captivating. :)
Lisa Winter why?
Modus et Boar Channel he had too much information on them for him not be the brother, also the killing of the mentally disabled one was just cruel
@@sinonslife4812 He had the information on her brother as he was trained by Lizzie's aunt, The Duchess of Burgundy. In addition, a number of servants from her father's, Edward IV, court ended up in Burgundy after the York family fell in 1485. What did he know really that he could not be trained for. Keep in mind the last time Lizzie saw her brother Richard, they were 17 and 9, and was about 12 years earlier. Much can be forgotten by a young boy aging from 9 - 21.