During American Venom, if you slashed Micah's eye and you just wait behind the crate instead of shooting at him then he and John just shout at each other. John shouts "Its a bit rich calling me Scarface isn't it?!" to which Micah replies "your buddy Arthur gave me this! I still won!" it's a nice little detail in the dialogue that shows how Arthur managed to at least give Micah something permanent to remember him by
@@Ninja_Gam-er. You can't say that Arthur won either way. And canonically we won't know a true winner between micah and unsick arthur. That's the truth, you gotta deal with.
@@TheRealGamerArtificial I mean you can clearly see that Micah was struggling when he was fighting a sick Arthur who's TB was already gotten much worse (I think the last stage). So if he was struggling with dick Arthur who wasn't even able to fight properly then Micah would have been beaten up if it was normal strong Arthur with his normal health. Micah is potentially better with guns than Arthur and John, but strength and in hand-to-hand combat wise they both are stronger. And remember, in chapter 5 we saw that Micah's actually a fat guy and Arthur is bulky and has muscles and is like a bodybuilder. So I don't think so that Micah is beating Arthur in hand-to-hand combat.
Honestly, a lot of us fans felt the "go back for the money" ending was "mislabeled" in a sense. Arthurs dying, he has no use for money anymore and he knows it. And as he goes back to camp, not once did he mutter a thing about money. He was focused on hunting Micah and Dutch down. Thats it. And depending how you look at it, Arthur going back and mowing down the pinkertons did more for distracting and helping John get away than the mountain shootout. Honestly, if they would've named that ending "get your revenge" instead of go back for the money, soooo many people would've picked it (also fits with Arthur breaking his "revenge is a fools game" narrative) Edit- Holy shit, that low honor "go back for the money" end cutscene was so good. How was it better than the high honor one?? 😮 "Kill him! Not Molly, not Ms.Grimshaw! Not even Colm. You let him damn us all, Dutch." ❄❄
“Get your revenge” sounds so much better and fitting tbf because it gives an actual reason to pick a different option other than helping John because there is no point going for the money. and like you said it would still be morally wrong for him because of how he viewed revenge as a bad thing in the game. Also it would show he only thinks about himself in his last moments before death which would be a true low honour option.
Overall, money/low honour is only my third favourite but the whole, “not Molly, not Ms. grimshaw, not even colm…” line is without exaggeration one of the absolute best lines in the entire game. The way Roger delivers that line is so real and heartbreaking. Easily one of my favourite lines in the entire game/in any game. Edit: actually it’s probably my second favourite behind John/high honour. As much as I hate seeing Arthur stabbed to Death by Micah I can’t deny how much I love that ending, the line we mentioned plus the music when Dutch walks away in that ending before Micah kills Arthur is just incredible.
I loved Micah's character. Imo He is the best rockstar games antagonist. Peter Blomquist did a great job acting as him. Same as Roger Clark for Arthur. These characters are so good because they have been played by brilliant actors.
@@OTCRock4one same, Micah is indeed very detestable but I also liked how well he was written as a villain,so I had more of a hate-love reaction to him. he was designed to be the most loathsome and evil, and I think that sets him apart from the other antagonists like dutch who was more passive.
@@AntiDegenerate1971 Agreed, I almost felt he sorta did care about Arthur cuz the low honor ending when he stabs him, his first reaction was Oh shit, look what I gone and done, and that was the most sincere he sounded talking to Arthur
Also there are secret failed mission cutscenes when you're fighting Micah and lose and he kills you in more brutal ways like stabbing you in the eye, stomping on Arthur's head, etc. It's pretty fucked up.
I feel so bad for Molly, she's a tragic character that people fail to try to understand. I'll explain her story and then explain the ending. Also, no matter where you shoot Micah in that final mission, he falls down and dies like that bc it's apparently a reference to a scene from a western. Molly was from high society in Ireland but immigrated to America with her family, a new and confusing place that clashed with her old way of life. She met Dutch who we know is charismatic but manipulative and likes to act like he's more important than he really is, which is probably why he got romantically involved with her bc she herself was a 'proper lady' and he made her feel special. She left her family to travel the country with Dutch and his gang, but she never contributed money bc she never wanted to rob or kill people and she never aspired to stoop that low. That made the other gang members always treat her as an outcast, which left her with Dutch as her only connection left in this unfamiliar country. But it seems like Dutch still had an attachment to Annabelle, his old love from a long time ago, and just used Molly as an unsuccessful substitute. In camp, we can see Dutch starting to flirt with and eye Mary-Beth (which Mary-Beth doesn't reciprocate) despite being in a relationship with Molly, bc Mary-Beth is young and is probably around the same age as Annabelle was when she died. When Molly found out, Dutch started gaslighting her and giving her the cold shoulder, isolating Molly and driving her insane. Molly started to drink a lot and in chapter 5 after Arthur returns to the gang, no one seems to care that she's not in camp. When she returns, Uncle says he found her drinking in Saint Denis. Basically, Molly at one point had been approached by the Pinkertons in town and was questioned as to the whereabouts of the gang, but she remained loyal and never said anything. Then she got drunk, and with clouded judgment (and also probably feeling su*cidal at this point) she came up with a way to make Dutch mad and basically get one over on him for treating her like shit for no reason. Thus, she lied that she told the Pinkertons about the failed bank robbery in Saint Denis and Grimshaw shot her before they even got the chance to properly talk to her- which is why during some camp interactions Arthur has doubts that Molly was even telling the truth bc she seemed very drunk at that moment.
@@Megasuperq Sean's not completely innocent. He constantly made fun of her for her upper-class upbringing that she had no control over. and I don't think she felt at all comfortable helping out a camp of murderers and thieves, she was only there bc of Dutch and his manipulations. I won't deny that she viewed the gang as being beneath her, but I get why she wouldn't try to stoop to their level bc most of society would also see them as less-than.
@@Megasuperq Your logic obviously makes sense, but in this situation, Dutch took advantage of her insecurity bc he knew she'd be the type of person who'd fall for his lies despite her not being a thief or killer like the rest of them. Just like he knew the type of people to manipulate into joining his gang in the first place, like Arthur and John when they were young and had nowhere else to go. Again, it was a combination of molly's own want to live a life resembling her upper-class life in Ireland (being an Irish immigrant in America she would never reach that same status) and then meeting Dutch. He presented himself as a person of power running his own group at a time when she felt insecure, and she was immediately attracted to the leadership position he had and the way he treated her like she was important, bc no one else in America did. She fell in love with Dutch, but it doesn't make her a bad person for not agreeing with the gang's lifestyle.
@@Megasuperq it's clear that molly was very drunk and felt suicidal when she said she told the Pinkertons, and even Arthur expressed doubts that she was telling the truth. so I believe she was lying and never actually said anything, just like Agent Milton said. my guess is that it really was only Micah who was the rat, or there truly was no rat at all. Dutch/the gang was getting so sloppy that basically all their enemies (the Pinkertons AND O'Driscolls) kept finding them easily and Micah started the whole "there's a rat" thing after Molly's death to make Dutch more paranoid and easy to manipulate.
@@Megasuperq I mean, its not unusual that the Pinkertons showed up at the Sant Denis robbery by themselfes, even without intervention from Micha or Molly. Literally 2 or 3 days ago, Dutch had just robbed another place on litetally the same town, and not only that, attacked Angelo's mansion. The fact that they still went to rob another bank in the same town this all happened in, and in this small time frame, thats just asking the Pinkertons to show up.
Molly said that because she was drunk, and because she was basically done with Dutch for being the way he was with her. And no, you don't get the money with John if you go back, the money in the cave is the money on the mountain
I love how even in a super hostile moment where Micah and Arthur are killing each other they still have that humorous banter. *Micah stabs Arthur in the lungs* Micah: "Look what I gone and done. looks like you lost Black Lung." Arthur: "I didn't lose." Micah: "That winning?" 😂
My soul escaped my body as soon as I heard "MrBossFTW, here-" He's like a living supermarket tabloid for Rockstar content (Of course no fault on your part for clicking on the video, his videos are advertised like tabloids)
I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING. The ending song when Arthur dies, depending on his honor the song changes. High honor they sing in higher notes but low honor they sing lower notes. Its a cool change they did.
since you finished the game, one thing many of us did to "cope" with arthur dying, was to replay the game and STOP somewhere between the end of chapter 2 or before sean dies in chapter 3(depending on which camp u like more). this point in the game was where the camp felt its happiest and most full with all the camp members there; plus, arthur wasnt sick. we just stopped playing the story there and let that be our end of the game. may be dumb/silly but people were seriously that attached to arthur(including me). ended up just doing hoursss riding around the map, killing gang camps that keep spawning, camping, fishing, hunting for trapper pelts/outfits, bounty hunting, doing side quests, doing treasure hunts, finding all the rock carvings, discovering all the animals we can for compendium, and just enjoying arthur's character(and hearing him sing lol). just thought about mentioning this in case u want to ever play this game again in your own time and enjoy arthur again. or couse if you have multiple saves then u can just load a save too and play from there.
13:17 The only reason i can imagine why Molly said she talked, was because she wanted to die through his hand. Maybe she saw her life in ruins, felt lost and betrayed by Dutch. Her condition during her last scene showed that she still loved him, otherwise a person wouldn't be so emotional. Dutch broke her heart, so she felt already dead inside. He should just end it, or something like that. And she was interrogated by Agent Milton. So she knew or assumed 'someone' talked, i guess. That could have give her the idea to do it this way.
Something people don't talk about is the endings. What I mean is in the endings except the low honor go back for the money in all the other endings arthur dies while lying on his back. And in the low honor go back for the money he ends up dying while on his chest, face in the dirt. I think rockstar tried to say that compared to the other endings especially low honor help John, this is the worst.
There are some really nasty scenes that you can see online that happen during the final mission if you end up dying before the storyline death too 😵. These are hard to watch
I think its more fitting, arthur is an outlaw and he lived by the gun and died by it. I think the high honor endings are good but just feel unrealistic like I don't think micah would leave arthur to die peacefully he'd want to finish off arthur.
@@Freezerboy69 I think High Honour Arthur Remind Micah of his Brother which i dont think he killed Arthur. If you see the random camp talk with him about his brother and he also sent a letter to his brother the only person besides himself who he seems to care about.
I actually loved it. Now granted, I don't like chapter 6 low honour Arthur (he comes off like an idiot who didn't learn a thing). But being shot in the head felt like the way for an outlaw to go out. Idk.
@@Freezerboy69 "This is the one time (beyond the shop discounts) when your honor produces tangible outward consequences. You see, Micah is a rat bastard that does what has to be done in order for him to get ahead and survive. So naturally, when things go south with the gang, he does what any self-respecting bastard would: he ups his bastardry game! Meanwhile, the honorable Arthur, who is facing a certain death no matter what happens, suddenly discovers the concept of personal integrity. To Micah, that is unthinkable and should result in an immediate and embarrassing demise, but Arthur somehow keeps going, manages to help others and somehow refuses to sink into despair and die! This plants a seed in Micah's head. His "canis canem edit" world doesn't work that way. That's uncomfortable and scary. In fact, in Micah's mind it probably verges on the supernatural. And then it all comes to the final fight. That's where the seed blossoms into the big, glorious WHAT THE FUCKBLOSSOM. Arthur, exhausted, beaten, wounded and disease-ridden, refuses to go down. Objectively, Micah should be able to level him with one punch, crush his skull with his heel and spit on his corpse. But he just wouldn't quit! The guy who defied Micah's very principles of reality for the last couple months just keeps swinging no matter how hard you hit him. That is beyond Micah's understanding. That SCARES him. That makes him feel like he's going crazy. So when Arthur finally does fall, Micah can't bring himself to shoot him because he is legitimately afraid. Arthur defied all of his expectations. So what happens if he goes and defies a bullet to the head? Sure, it's irrational, but at this point in Micah's mind it just about verges on possible. Fuck this guy, he says to himself. He's dying anyway, safer to just leave him be there and get the hell out. SURVIVE."
Full dishonorable Arthur ending is cold, rough, and full of anger and I love it. And it’s enhanced by the score that plays while you go back for the money. While I usually play honorable, I went back around a few times just to see the dishonorable ending. Loved every second of it.
Even with good honor and you go back for the money, I see it as Arthur not even caring about the money, it's to hold off dutch and micha, because he does call them out, and wants to find them
It’s more sad in my opinion, his voice is all weak from being literally stabbed in the chest and he’s practically begging Dutch to see its Micah that’s the rat, I also like the touch that it’s the only ending that mentions Ms Grimshaw and even Colm. And the suspenseful build up with instruments as Micah makes his way to finish Arthur is also a nice touch as well. You can tell that rockstar wanted you to have low honor to pick that ending, the high honor variant feels lack luster but the only benefit is that Micah gets stabbed in the eye
Yeah, he just keeps talking to get to the 10 minutes mark. 23:45 Another fact that he got wrong is that actually there are some different dialogues between John and Micah when he has the scar on his eye
i feel like the dialogue with low honor getting the money kinda fits more to the story, when arthur said that it wasn't molly or miss grimshaw and not even colm..and that dutch damned us all..yet i still think the high honor helping john is the right one to do
@@MikeWilsonBarrett not necessarily tbh, that conversation with the sister is missable..depends how you play the game..but that's why i said only the dialogue and not the fact that you go for the money anyway✌🏼 btw for me it's the money lending missions that make me realize Arthur doesn't care about money at the end..especially the ones with Edith and her son
@@johnmarston5905 Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense. Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass. However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
I like it, too. It's sort of a different approach to redemption. Maybe his redemption was realizing that Dutch had ruined his life and that he deserved to live. I don't hate it.
23:44 That MrBossFortheWin video was a bit misleading. In the Epilogue ending were Micah has a scar on his eye he calls John scarface, and John is quick to let him know that that's a bit ironic coming from him
That first ending you reacted to with micah shooting Arthur was the ending I had on my first play through. RDR2 was the first game I ever played and listening to my husband did not pan out well for Arthur in my playthrough. Got max honor the 2nd time, now on playthrough 7 and each time since the 1st I've had high honor endings
Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense. Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass. However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
I understand why they had all the multiple endings, depending on how you played as Arthur but the high honor ending & helping John escape is how Rockstar wanted you to finish the game. I could never get myself to do any other ending, I spend (every playthrough) over 100 hrs with Arthur and I get him high honor in the ending, some way. It's going to be a LONG time before we see another game of this stature come out. When I played online, I would always go to Arthur's death spot & grave to pay tribute (even though RDO is set a few yrs earlier before the Blackwater Massacre) - this game brought me so much happiness & heartache - it has changed my life.
Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense. Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass. However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
this might be super off topic but my internet went out for a while, and it just came back on and seeing your face pop up and the video start just made me so happy. thanks for making these videos :)
@@SiennaMaria Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense. Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass. However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
@Sienna Maria , your question regarding Molly O' Shea and why she claimed to betraying Dutch while in fact she didn't. I think at the time she said this she was drunk and very heartbroken. You see Molly is a bit of a tragic story on how she was madly in love with Dutch but no matter what she did, she couldn't get his attention. So pleading guilty to betrayel was just her way of trying to get Dutch's attention. Only before she could explain that it was only for attention, she unfortunately gets shot by Miss Grimshaw, who thought that she realy did betray the gang. Offcourse this was a bit of a surprise to everybody in camp. Nobody (including Molly herself) problably expected Miss Grimshaw to shoot her dead. However Miss Grimshaw can't realy be blamed here either, as she was just following the camp's rules for betrayel, where betrayel is punishable by death. I do feel however that Miss Grimshaw could have used a little more dissernment and restraint and a little more patience, then she could have quickly come to the conclusion that Molly was drunk and very emotional and just desperate for Dutch's attention. Unfortunately Molly didn't realy think her plan through, and sadly it cost her her life.
I'm not sure if anyone has ever told you this, but your reaction to Arthur Morgan's death was so genuine and raw, and I myself couldn't hold back the tears because I was really attached to him.
I think Molly said she ratted because she was drunk and not thinking straight. She also was desperately trying to get Dutch's attention because she loved him.
Molly for sure talked to the Pinkertons, Milton said Micah has only been helping them since they got BACK from Guarma. The bank job was before that so....
@@SuperShifty22 Doubt it. Milton said they tried getting information out of Molly multiple times but she never said a word to them so they had to let her go. Micah might've been working with the Pinkertons even before Guarma.
13:30 - She was a type of the woman... She wanted to hurt Dutch as much as she possibly could for Dutch neglecting her and because she knew Dutch still mourn for his love Annabelle killed by O'Driscoll. She knew she would hurt him the most if she would be the reason why his plans fails and the knowledge of the traitor was so close to him - because he is egomaniac. Mad womans loves to do scenes, stupid things and often lie to hurt people who wronged them. If you don´t know this you are the second kind (calm and reasonable) and someone who loves you or will love you will be very happy person.
The fact that 42 thousand dollars wasn't enough for Dutch to think it's time to leave just proves it was never about the end goal for him. It was all about the chase and stringing people along by promising them paradise to keep them loyal and willing to bend to his ideals. Arthur was the biggest threat to that even on his death bed because he saw what was really going on, John too.
RDR2 might be the greatest and most impactful game I’ve played. The last ride with the beautiful song playing is by far the best part of the game but Arthur’s horse dying destroyed me. It made no sense to go back for the money as Arthur if he was going to die anyways. First time I’ve heard this girls accent. Love it! “Snake peak for y’all”
Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense. Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass. However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
They wouldnt know he killed arthur but it does make sense. Micahs character also would have killed Arthur so it makes sense just ashame its low Honour so you have to play unlike Arthur all game to get it.
@@hustler666100 Yes They Would Know, Remember It Was Charles Who Went To Get Arthur’s Body, He Would Have Seen The Gunshot On Arthur’s Face, And Also Dutch Had Barely Walked Away, He Heard The Gunshot. Which Makes The Ending Make Way More Sense, Would You Keep Your Revenge Going Over All These Years Just For Someone Who May Have Snitched On You Guys? Or Would It Make More Sense That They Never Stop Hunting Micah And Chase His Down And Kill Him In Cold Blood Because He Personally Killed Arthur? Yeah That Makes More Sense
@@fabian5813 How would Charles know his body was up there on the ridge and anyone could have shot him. There's more logic Arthur dying at the camp low honour as Micah stabs him and Charles said he buried him and Miss Grimshaw
I think Molly said that because she was drunk off her ass and she was just having a bit of a mental and emotional breakdown. All that stuff she said "I ain't HIM...I ain't HERRRRRRR". All that anger that she pushed down and repressed for so long just came out. She was lashing out at Dutch and she knew what to say to really upset him. I think she DID get picked up by the Pinkertons but she was loyal and she would not snitch so they had to let her go. Maybe the fact that she went through that AND she knew the gang (in her mind) were still all laughing at her....she just lost it but.....she knew the rules, so....
off topic, if you want to meet sadie & her husband, try playing rdo. its events are prior to the rdr2 timeline. they're part of the npc that will give you quests.
I always thought Milton was lying about Micah being the rat to create turmoil among the gang. Molly was telling the truth, and so was Micah, devilish as he was
To answer your question @8:52.... you can go back as John to get the money in the cave but once you get there the chest is under a wagon and you cant access it... i tried that exact thing as soon as i was able to with John but wasnt able to retrieve it
My headcannon is that Micah never talked, agent Milton only said he did because he knew that would destroy the gang even more, he sound really scared and hurt when he yells at dutch saying "he would never". But he did talked in the epilogue to get back at dutch for abandoning him
Мне не нравится, что наша честь по какой-то причине влияет на то победит нас Мика или нет. Типо я понял замут, плохие поступки делают нас слабее морально, да вот только Мика тогда должен быть слабее нас раз в 10. Было бы гораздо круче если бы в концовках финал зависел именно от действий Артура. Например с хорошей честью но при побеге за деньгами он мог бы не доставать нож вообще и Мика тоже не достал бы его. Тогда драка была бы на кулаках и Артуру не воткнули бы нож в грудь. А вот при плохой чести он начал бы Мику оскорблять и сам достал бы нож, показывая нам, что даже Мика этого не делал. А тут бред какой-то, он был злой раньше, поэтому Мика оказался сильнее него
No, Arthur had to die...after that tb kills you...a beating...a knife to the side of you body,plus it was 1899 cant cure something like that he HAS to die...i guess the trick is to decide how...
Red bits on the map... During the game you can put your own markers in the map to remind you where key things are...the player has probably put a few on themselves.
I think the fact that Micah took 5 headshots and still walked a few steps further shows how soulless he really is and how he does not care about pain or death and is even in his final seconds acting like nothing can hurt him.
There's also one minor detail that's not shown in these if you go with John in High Honor versus Low Honor: the dialogue difference when Arthur gives John his hat. High Honor Arthur says, "It would mean a lot to me. Please." Low Honor Arthur, by contrast, says, "Here. Just take it. Ain't no use to me now."
This is my personal view of all of the endings: Help John/High Honor: Most fulfilling Help John/Low Honor: Most realistic Go Back for Money/High Honor: Most boring Go Back for Money/Low Honor: Most Dramatic
Back for the money Low honour to me is basically Arthur realising dutch never gave a damn about him and just spat in his eye to take all the money from dutch. Because lets face it to Dutch all arthur was to him was money earner.
@@Smoke_n_Mirrors_Podcast Honestly, I can’t ever see Arthur going back for the money. l Throughout the entire game, Arthur preaches that “revenge is a luxury we can’t afford” and “revenge is an idiot’s game,” so it would make absolutely no sense for him to suddenly care about revenge.
13:16 Molly was interoggated by the pinkertons but never said anything, but being drunk and angry at the person they were questioning you about, and that person also rejecting and treating you horribly, she was just bluffing and making attempts to insult dutch.
The money you get in the Epilogue IS the money from the cave plus the money from Blackwater. Dutch and Micah move it to the mountains from the end of Chapter 6 to the end of the Epilogue 👍 Molly was very drunk and angry at Dutch and was at the point were she was very suicidal. She wanted out and wanted to die.
YOUR encounter on the hill was the culmination of how YOU carried Arthur as a character through the game, and you were more involved in it emotionally, thus you may be somewhat subjective about it. I would say no ending is less well executed and each would have a high impact on a complete blind play.
Molly said she ratted so that dutch would pay attention to her, she was also extremely drunk so she wasnt in her right mind when she went back to beaver hollow with uncle
the final scene where Micah stabs Arthur in the low honor, money ending always gives me chills how it starts with Dutch walking away and ends when Micah stabs Arthur in the back. I feel like it represents Arthur's fear of death cause it ends as death finally reaches him.
As soon as you finish the epilogue's last mission (American Venom) John get's $20000, that is supposed to be the beaver hollow money (or what's left of it) oh yeah, also john does comment on micah's scar, Mrbossftw was wrong there. also, also, I think they should have made it so if you headshotted Micah he did a different animation, or if one brought a sawed off shotgun, you'd just blow his head off, and another animation would play.
No the money that john ended up collecting towards the end was from Blackwater because micah collected the money from blackwater after so long cuz Dutch buried it due to pinkertons patrolling the area on high alert. Once that presence was gone I'm guessing micah went back and got it. I think the beaver hollow money was left there and burnt considering the camp was on fire. Depends on what canon ending u go thur
The ending impacts the way John and Charles rember Arthur and changes his grave. Also if you stab micah in the eye when he calls John Scarface John says your one to talk. There were rumours that at one point you would play as Dutch based on your honour. on another note Arthur with low honour is intresting he still cares about John but he cares about himself more and his much more bitter. you should check out the low honour cutscenes and in game dilague that changes with arthurs honour.
Molly pissed at Dutch because he never pays attention to her, the woman that loves him. That’s why she said she talked to the pinkertons, merely to get make Dutch angry and get his attention. But to bad Mrs. Grimshaw shot her.
I don't know why some people like to spoil things when the player hasn't finished the game, but all of your questions are answered at the conclusion of the last epilog. Money. Other characters. Watch the credits.
You can actually kill Micah if you return for the money once he attacks dodge then strike then back up wait for him to attack then dodge then strike repeat the process but this takes awhile rockstar gave Micah double the health so the player would lose the fight.
i was pretty shocked when i first saw the low honor money ending. it was really weird to see how much of a double-stuffed bastard low honor arthur was after only playing with high honor
Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense. Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass. However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
I still think John High Honor is the only true Ending. Dramatic, sad, wholesome & satisfying. GamingWins for example pointed out that Arthur doewn't "deserve" a happy or satisfying ending, like Joel. But still, this is how you kill your Protagonist, wholesome, beautiful, with dignity. Just my opinion tho.
The red markers are manual waypoints (You can put them all over the map for interesting things you find and wanna go back to)… Edit: Sorry someone spoiled the epilogue for you. People are Aholes
Molly was probably having an affair with Colm. In the mission where Sadie stabs the guy that killed her husband for revenge, if you come back and the dead body is still there you can find a letter if you inspect it from the Colm while he is in jail, telling something like he met this drunk lady while he was in this town, or something like that, again, I don't remember a lot from the game. Basically implying that molly set them up, if she was that one lady of course.
Short version: Molly was angry and drunk. She just wanted to hurt Dutch in that moment, similar to saying you cheated on your partner just to hurt them.
Trippy commentaries, strange man and mr boss FTW are good although some of your comments disagree. Through these I’m still learning things after many playthroughs
I always go back for the money with high honor. Why? 1. I prefer Arthur will die from a stab wound in the gut than from injuries from a fist fight, it looks more realistic. 2. Slashing Micah's eye is satisfying. 3. Pushing back the pinkertons and Micah and Dutch is way more helpful for John than going 100 meters with him and than leaving him. 4. Arthur had a chance to live. I don't expect modern gamers to be smart or educated, but TB doesn't have 100% mortality rate. Without treatment it has like 50%. So if Arthur could take the money he might use it to go for warm and dry place, like the doctor said, and maybe heal. Even if it eventually wouldn't work, Arthur could give the rest of the money to John or anyone who needed it, or at least deny it from Micah and Dutch. 5. It makes more sense. Arthur killed all the pinkertons before entering a fight with Micah, who was in the way for the money as well. But if Arthur goes with John, Micah would just pop up like a magician from the mountain top during the fight with the pinkertons (which didn't realy over). 6. Arthur looks much stronger in this scenarion until he got stabbed than if he help John. I think they should have remove the choice and make Arthur go back to cover John, but not before the heartbreaking dialoge they had on the cliff.
I went to get the money first play through cuz i didnt know that was it for arthur. I went and played the whole game again cuz i didnt wanna stop playing as him
I hope that Rockstar will go even further back with RED DEAD REDEMPTION 3 and allow us to play as someone else (who finds their own redemption) and then as Arthur Morgan for the epilogue.
This guy is wrong, you see, John actually mentions Micah's scar. And Micah says "your friend Arthur did this to me!". So no, there ARE a unique dialogue about Micah's scar.
I found the end of Arthur's story very unsatisfying, actually. I mean, he failed to defeat ANY of the game's primary antagonists. Milton was killed by Abigail, Arthur was about to get killed BY him. Of course Micah gets to kill Arthur, Arthur doesn't get to kill him either. I had thought he might drag them both over the cliff, and both would die together. Then there's Dutch. We know Dutch makes an appearance in the first game, which means he needs to survive this one. However, to defeat Dutch, he needed Dutch to come back around and admit he had failed Arthur... to show some remorse, at least. Perhaps even kill Micah then and there. Of course, I don't know what the epilogue would have been in that case. Any way you slice it, Arthur failed to defeat ANY of the game's villains. Sure, he redeemed himself, but that's hollow succour considering he's killed off.
Replying to this late. Arthur was the reason John was able to get away and live a life with his family. Even in the dishonorable endings, he distracts dutch, micah, and the pinkertons. Yeah he didn't defeat any antagonists, but that's not really the point of the game. Red Dead Redemption is representing the end of the wild west and redemption from your past sins. While many may say that he did more wrong then right, I always felt Arthur was not necessarily trying to redeem himself, but trying to save and redeem others. We see this with saving John and his family, but there was also other moments too like helping the native americans, edith downes, etc... (SPOILERS FOR RDR1) Eventually, in RDR1, John tries to make up for his past sins in order for his family to live on. He accomplishes this too. When you look at it in this perspective, you can see that he did win against dutch and micah. They died without any meaning, while both John and Arthurs deaths represented something greater.
Actually the money is collected by Dutch and Micah if you don’t go back with Arthur. And it is the money that you get as John after killing Micah at the epilogue’s end. You don’t get 100% cause they spent it a bit (they mention it)
Honestly the return for the money ending is way more cool. Having a knife fight in an inferno against Micah, the man you hated the most for most part of the game.
Just imagine Chasing a outlaw who is running away with an army But soon he stops Turns arounds And starts heading in your way screaming "you're all dead" That's where you know It's the end
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During American Venom, if you slashed Micah's eye and you just wait behind the crate instead of shooting at him then he and John just shout at each other. John shouts "Its a bit rich calling me Scarface isn't it?!" to which Micah replies "your buddy Arthur gave me this! I still won!" it's a nice little detail in the dialogue that shows how Arthur managed to at least give Micah something permanent to remember him by
Glad someone else pointed that out Mr Boss is not the best source for information.
@@John-996 He also got the thing of if Arthur is shot or stabbed completely wrong. Man is just, completely wrong about multiple things
But he only won because of Arthur's TB😂😂😂
@@Ninja_Gam-er. You can't say that Arthur won either way. And canonically we won't know a true winner between micah and unsick arthur. That's the truth, you gotta deal with.
@@TheRealGamerArtificial I mean you can clearly see that Micah was struggling when he was fighting a sick Arthur who's TB was already gotten much worse (I think the last stage). So if he was struggling with dick Arthur who wasn't even able to fight properly then Micah would have been beaten up if it was normal strong Arthur with his normal health. Micah is potentially better with guns than Arthur and John, but strength and in hand-to-hand combat wise they both are stronger. And remember, in chapter 5 we saw that Micah's actually a fat guy and Arthur is bulky and has muscles and is like a bodybuilder. So I don't think so that Micah is beating Arthur in hand-to-hand combat.
Honestly, a lot of us fans felt the "go back for the money" ending was "mislabeled" in a sense. Arthurs dying, he has no use for money anymore and he knows it. And as he goes back to camp, not once did he mutter a thing about money. He was focused on hunting Micah and Dutch down. Thats it. And depending how you look at it, Arthur going back and mowing down the pinkertons did more for distracting and helping John get away than the mountain shootout. Honestly, if they would've named that ending "get your revenge" instead of go back for the money, soooo many people would've picked it (also fits with Arthur breaking his "revenge is a fools game" narrative)
Edit- Holy shit, that low honor "go back for the money" end cutscene was so good. How was it better than the high honor one?? 😮 "Kill him! Not Molly, not Ms.Grimshaw! Not even Colm. You let him damn us all, Dutch." ❄❄
“Get your revenge” sounds so much better and fitting tbf because it gives an actual reason to pick a different option other than helping John because there is no point going for the money. and like you said it would still be morally wrong for him because of how he viewed revenge as a bad thing in the game. Also it would show he only thinks about himself in his last moments before death which would be a true low honour option.
EXACTLY that's what i was thinking
Overall, money/low honour is only my third favourite but the whole, “not Molly, not Ms. grimshaw, not even colm…” line is without exaggeration one of the absolute best lines in the entire game. The way Roger delivers that line is so real and heartbreaking. Easily one of my favourite lines in the entire game/in any game.
Edit: actually it’s probably my second favourite behind John/high honour. As much as I hate seeing Arthur stabbed to Death by Micah I can’t deny how much I love that ending, the line we mentioned plus the music when Dutch walks away in that ending before Micah kills Arthur is just incredible.
Well Arthur did want the money also for John, Abigail and Sadie. Perhaps he did have some hope in retrieving it for them, at least
Then again revenge is out of arthur character no matter what it is
I loved Micah's character. Imo He is the best rockstar games antagonist. Peter Blomquist did a great job acting as him. Same as Roger Clark for Arthur. These characters are so good because they have been played by brilliant actors.
I hated his character
@@OTCRock4one same, Micah is indeed very detestable but I also liked how well he was written as a villain,so I had more of a hate-love reaction to him. he was designed to be the most loathsome and evil, and I think that sets him apart from the other antagonists like dutch who was more passive.
@@AntiDegenerate1971 Agreed, I almost felt he sorta did care about Arthur cuz the low honor ending when he stabs him, his first reaction was Oh shit, look what I gone and done, and that was the most sincere he sounded talking to Arthur
I still preferred dutch and agent ross as better villains, especially agent ross
@@gabszz dutch and Ross were well written as well but Micah was the purest villain I saw in any video game, he was on a whole different tier tbh
I love how $42,875 in 1899 is worth $1,593,178.18 in todays money. Yet Dutch still had the *AUDACITY* to say that they "NEED MORE MONEH"
its like 12 mil
It's one of the army payroll bags you get in the last mission, though.
@@archocystosyrinxno it’s not 1 mil was 37 mil so there’s just no way 42000 was 12
Also there are secret failed mission cutscenes when you're fighting Micah and lose and he kills you in more brutal ways like stabbing you in the eye, stomping on Arthur's head, etc. It's pretty fucked up.
And the music in the final ride back to camp Arthur does is different in low honor. You should listen to it.
I feel so bad for Molly, she's a tragic character that people fail to try to understand. I'll explain her story and then explain the ending.
Also, no matter where you shoot Micah in that final mission, he falls down and dies like that bc it's apparently a reference to a scene from a western.
Molly was from high society in Ireland but immigrated to America with her family, a new and confusing place that clashed with her old way of life. She met Dutch who we know is charismatic but manipulative and likes to act like he's more important than he really is, which is probably why he got romantically involved with her bc she herself was a 'proper lady' and he made her feel special. She left her family to travel the country with Dutch and his gang, but she never contributed money bc she never wanted to rob or kill people and she never aspired to stoop that low. That made the other gang members always treat her as an outcast, which left her with Dutch as her only connection left in this unfamiliar country. But it seems like Dutch still had an attachment to Annabelle, his old love from a long time ago, and just used Molly as an unsuccessful substitute. In camp, we can see Dutch starting to flirt with and eye Mary-Beth (which Mary-Beth doesn't reciprocate) despite being in a relationship with Molly, bc Mary-Beth is young and is probably around the same age as Annabelle was when she died. When Molly found out, Dutch started gaslighting her and giving her the cold shoulder, isolating Molly and driving her insane. Molly started to drink a lot and in chapter 5 after Arthur returns to the gang, no one seems to care that she's not in camp.
When she returns, Uncle says he found her drinking in Saint Denis. Basically, Molly at one point had been approached by the Pinkertons in town and was questioned as to the whereabouts of the gang, but she remained loyal and never said anything. Then she got drunk, and with clouded judgment (and also probably feeling su*cidal at this point) she came up with a way to make Dutch mad and basically get one over on him for treating her like shit for no reason. Thus, she lied that she told the Pinkertons about the failed bank robbery in Saint Denis and Grimshaw shot her before they even got the chance to properly talk to her- which is why during some camp interactions Arthur has doubts that Molly was even telling the truth bc she seemed very drunk at that moment.
@@Megasuperq Sean's not completely innocent. He constantly made fun of her for her upper-class upbringing that she had no control over. and I don't think she felt at all comfortable helping out a camp of murderers and thieves, she was only there bc of Dutch and his manipulations. I won't deny that she viewed the gang as being beneath her, but I get why she wouldn't try to stoop to their level bc most of society would also see them as less-than.
@@Megasuperq Your logic obviously makes sense, but in this situation, Dutch took advantage of her insecurity bc he knew she'd be the type of person who'd fall for his lies despite her not being a thief or killer like the rest of them. Just like he knew the type of people to manipulate into joining his gang in the first place, like Arthur and John when they were young and had nowhere else to go. Again, it was a combination of molly's own want to live a life resembling her upper-class life in Ireland (being an Irish immigrant in America she would never reach that same status) and then meeting Dutch. He presented himself as a person of power running his own group at a time when she felt insecure, and she was immediately attracted to the leadership position he had and the way he treated her like she was important, bc no one else in America did. She fell in love with Dutch, but it doesn't make her a bad person for not agreeing with the gang's lifestyle.
@@Megasuperq it's clear that molly was very drunk and felt suicidal when she said she told the Pinkertons, and even Arthur expressed doubts that she was telling the truth. so I believe she was lying and never actually said anything, just like Agent Milton said. my guess is that it really was only Micah who was the rat, or there truly was no rat at all. Dutch/the gang was getting so sloppy that basically all their enemies (the Pinkertons AND O'Driscolls) kept finding them easily and Micah started the whole "there's a rat" thing after Molly's death to make Dutch more paranoid and easy to manipulate.
@@Megasuperq you sound like a Micah
@@Megasuperq I mean, its not unusual that the Pinkertons showed up at the Sant Denis robbery by themselfes, even without intervention from Micha or Molly.
Literally 2 or 3 days ago, Dutch had just robbed another place on litetally the same town, and not only that, attacked Angelo's mansion.
The fact that they still went to rob another bank in the same town this all happened in, and in this small time frame, thats just asking the Pinkertons to show up.
Molly said that because she was drunk, and because she was basically done with Dutch for being the way he was with her. And no, you don't get the money with John if you go back, the money in the cave is the money on the mountain
The money on the mountain is not from the cave…. The money on the mountain is the money from Blackwater.
Arthur didn't really go back for the money, he went back for the eye.
I love how even in a super hostile moment where Micah and Arthur are killing each other they still have that humorous banter.
*Micah stabs Arthur in the lungs*
Micah: "Look what I gone and done. looks like you lost Black Lung."
Arthur: "I didn't lose."
Micah: "That winning?"
😂
I’m stopped you and I told everyone you were a rat that’s winning enough for me.😂😂😂
My soul escaped my body as soon as I heard "MrBossFTW, here-"
He's like a living supermarket tabloid for Rockstar content
(Of course no fault on your part for clicking on the video, his videos are advertised like tabloids)
Lmao same 😂
I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING. The ending song when Arthur dies, depending on his honor the song changes. High honor they sing in higher notes but low honor they sing lower notes. Its a cool change they did.
since you finished the game, one thing many of us did to "cope" with arthur dying, was to replay the game and STOP somewhere between the end of chapter 2 or before sean dies in chapter 3(depending on which camp u like more). this point in the game was where the camp felt its happiest and most full with all the camp members there; plus, arthur wasnt sick. we just stopped playing the story there and let that be our end of the game. may be dumb/silly but people were seriously that attached to arthur(including me). ended up just doing hoursss riding around the map, killing gang camps that keep spawning, camping, fishing, hunting for trapper pelts/outfits, bounty hunting, doing side quests, doing treasure hunts, finding all the rock carvings, discovering all the animals we can for compendium, and just enjoying arthur's character(and hearing him sing lol).
just thought about mentioning this in case u want to ever play this game again in your own time and enjoy arthur again. or couse if you have multiple saves then u can just load a save too and play from there.
I lived happily ever after in horseshoe overlook.
@@babydollloversnote5711 same! my favorite camp.
Technically, Arthur was sick in chapter 2 when he went to reclaim the debt from Thomas Downes, but I get what you mean.
@@BazookaGamingGirl yeah but symptoms weren't showing till later. but you can also play up to when you have to do the downes mission if u want
Horseshoe was the best camp
13:17 The only reason i can imagine why Molly said she talked, was because she wanted to die through his hand.
Maybe she saw her life in ruins, felt lost and betrayed by Dutch.
Her condition during her last scene showed that she still loved him, otherwise a person wouldn't be so emotional. Dutch broke her heart, so she felt already dead inside. He should just end it, or something like that.
And she was interrogated by Agent Milton. So she knew or assumed 'someone' talked, i guess. That could have give her the idea to do it this way.
Something people don't talk about is the endings.
What I mean is in the endings except the low honor go back for the money in all the other endings arthur dies while lying on his back. And in the low honor go back for the money he ends up dying while on his chest, face in the dirt.
I think rockstar tried to say that compared to the other endings especially low honor help John, this is the worst.
Wow, that low honor ending of Arthur was horrible, I would rather not have seen that :'3
There are some really nasty scenes that you can see online that happen during the final mission if you end up dying before the storyline death too 😵. These are hard to watch
I think its more fitting, arthur is an outlaw and he lived by the gun and died by it.
I think the high honor endings are good but just feel unrealistic like I don't think micah would leave arthur to die peacefully he'd want to finish off arthur.
@@Freezerboy69 I think High Honour Arthur Remind Micah of his Brother which i dont think he killed Arthur. If you see the random camp talk with him about his brother and he also sent a letter to his brother the only person besides himself who he seems to care about.
I actually loved it.
Now granted, I don't like chapter 6 low honour Arthur (he comes off like an idiot who didn't learn a thing).
But being shot in the head felt like the way for an outlaw to go out. Idk.
@@Freezerboy69 "This is the one time (beyond the shop discounts) when your honor produces tangible outward consequences.
You see, Micah is a rat bastard that does what has to be done in order for him to get ahead and survive. So naturally, when things go south with the gang, he does what any self-respecting bastard would: he ups his bastardry game! Meanwhile, the honorable Arthur, who is facing a certain death no matter what happens, suddenly discovers the concept of personal integrity. To Micah, that is unthinkable and should result in an immediate and embarrassing demise, but Arthur somehow keeps going, manages to help others and somehow refuses to sink into despair and die!
This plants a seed in Micah's head. His "canis canem edit" world doesn't work that way. That's uncomfortable and scary. In fact, in Micah's mind it probably verges on the supernatural.
And then it all comes to the final fight. That's where the seed blossoms into the big, glorious WHAT THE FUCKBLOSSOM. Arthur, exhausted, beaten, wounded and disease-ridden, refuses to go down. Objectively, Micah should be able to level him with one punch, crush his skull with his heel and spit on his corpse. But he just wouldn't quit! The guy who defied Micah's very principles of reality for the last couple months just keeps swinging no matter how hard you hit him. That is beyond Micah's understanding. That SCARES him. That makes him feel like he's going crazy.
So when Arthur finally does fall, Micah can't bring himself to shoot him because he is legitimately afraid. Arthur defied all of his expectations. So what happens if he goes and defies a bullet to the head? Sure, it's irrational, but at this point in Micah's mind it just about verges on possible. Fuck this guy, he says to himself. He's dying anyway, safer to just leave him be there and get the hell out.
SURVIVE."
Fun fact - just before you see Micah for the last time, a single rat runs across the snow foreshadowing his return
Full dishonorable Arthur ending is cold, rough, and full of anger and I love it. And it’s enhanced by the score that plays while you go back for the money. While I usually play honorable, I went back around a few times just to see the dishonorable ending. Loved every second of it.
Even with good honor and you go back for the money, I see it as Arthur not even caring about the money, it's to hold off dutch and micha, because he does call them out, and wants to find them
It’s more sad in my opinion, his voice is all weak from being literally stabbed in the chest and he’s practically begging Dutch to see its Micah that’s the rat, I also like the touch that it’s the only ending that mentions Ms Grimshaw and even Colm. And the suspenseful build up with instruments as Micah makes his way to finish Arthur is also a nice touch as well. You can tell that rockstar wanted you to have low honor to pick that ending, the high honor variant feels lack luster but the only benefit is that Micah gets stabbed in the eye
@@josephstalin2606 I guess thats fair. To each their own. Thanks Joseph Stalin!
24:34 Classic MRBOSSFTW, getting facts wrong, in none of the John Endings Knives are involved
Yeah, he just keeps talking to get to the 10 minutes mark.
23:45 Another fact that he got wrong is that actually there are some different dialogues between John and Micah when he has the scar on his eye
@@la912 Yeah, John says something on the lines of "Pretty rich of you to call me scarface"
i feel like the dialogue with low honor getting the money kinda fits more to the story, when arthur said that it wasn't molly or miss grimshaw and not even colm..and that dutch damned us all..yet i still think the high honor helping john is the right one to do
Nah it's out of character now for Arthur to go back for the money especially after the convo with Mother Superior Calderón.
@@MikeWilsonBarrett not necessarily tbh, that conversation with the sister is missable..depends how you play the game..but that's why i said only the dialogue and not the fact that you go for the money anyway✌🏼
btw for me it's the money lending missions that make me realize Arthur doesn't care about money at the end..especially the ones with Edith and her son
@@MikeWilsonBarrett Not if you have low honour Arthur is much more selfish.
@@johnmarston5905 Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense.
Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass.
However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
I like it, too.
It's sort of a different approach to redemption.
Maybe his redemption was realizing that Dutch had ruined his life and that he deserved to live.
I don't hate it.
23:44 That MrBossFortheWin video was a bit misleading. In the Epilogue ending were Micah has a scar on his eye he calls John scarface, and John is quick to let him know that that's a bit ironic coming from him
That first ending you reacted to with micah shooting Arthur was the ending I had on my first play through. RDR2 was the first game I ever played and listening to my husband did not pan out well for Arthur in my playthrough. Got max honor the 2nd time, now on playthrough 7 and each time since the 1st I've had high honor endings
Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense.
Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass.
However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
@@fabian5813you keep repeating this shit in every single comment bro we get it.
I understand why they had all the multiple endings, depending on how you played as Arthur but the high honor ending & helping John escape is how Rockstar wanted you to finish the game. I could never get myself to do any other ending, I spend (every playthrough) over 100 hrs with Arthur and I get him high honor in the ending, some way. It's going to be a LONG time before we see another game of this stature come out. When I played online, I would always go to Arthur's death spot & grave to pay tribute (even though RDO is set a few yrs earlier before the Blackwater Massacre) - this game brought me so much happiness & heartache - it has changed my life.
In a similar way Rockstar wants you to have "picked C, motherfucker", which it shows because that option is meatier than the other two, more involved.
Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense.
Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass.
However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
I love how micah says ''Damn you'' The tone is so so low honor. ''Damn you''. Arthur-TENNIS BOAT!
Glad to see you are doing RDR1 next. Just started these and will be following along for sure.
this might be super off topic but my internet went out for a while, and it just came back on and seeing your face pop up and the video start just made me so happy. thanks for making these videos :)
I’m so glad you enjoy them!!
@@SiennaMaria Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense.
Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass.
However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
@Sienna Maria , your question regarding Molly O' Shea and why she claimed to betraying Dutch while in fact she didn't. I think at the time she said this she was drunk and very heartbroken. You see Molly is a bit of a tragic story on how she was madly in love with Dutch but no matter what she did, she couldn't get his attention. So pleading guilty to betrayel was just her way of trying to get Dutch's attention. Only before she could explain that it was only for attention, she unfortunately gets shot by Miss Grimshaw, who thought that she realy did betray the gang. Offcourse this was a bit of a surprise to everybody in camp. Nobody (including Molly herself) problably expected Miss Grimshaw to shoot her dead.
However Miss Grimshaw can't realy be blamed here either, as she was just following the camp's rules for betrayel, where betrayel is punishable by death. I do feel however that Miss Grimshaw could have used a little more dissernment and restraint and a little more patience, then she could have quickly come to the conclusion that Molly was drunk and very emotional and just desperate for Dutch's attention. Unfortunately Molly didn't realy think her plan through, and sadly it cost her her life.
I'm not sure if anyone has ever told you this, but your reaction to Arthur Morgan's death was so genuine and raw, and I myself couldn't hold back the tears because I was really attached to him.
the go back for the money ending is so badass but my heart always picks help john
Actually they should have named the other ending "get revenge", because Arthur was more focused on revenge than money
yeah
I think Molly said she ratted because she was drunk and not thinking straight. She also was desperately trying to get Dutch's attention because she loved him.
yup... she was desperate for his attention and would do anything for it.. . mix that with booze and thats what you get
Molly for sure talked to the Pinkertons, Milton said Micah has only been helping them since they got BACK from Guarma. The bank job was before that so....
@@SuperShifty22 Doubt it. Milton said they tried getting information out of Molly multiple times but she never said a word to them so they had to let her go. Micah might've been working with the Pinkertons even before Guarma.
Maybe he lied?
PLEASE react to "ARTHUR." by Charles liu... ONLY after completing both Epilogues. Please i promise you will love it.
OMG YES i randomly stumbled upon it recently and just... wow.
@@beccazach i can't help but watch it often, its sooo good.
I love Arthur no matter what he is my favourite character
13:30 - She was a type of the woman... She wanted to hurt Dutch as much as she possibly could for Dutch neglecting her and because she knew Dutch still mourn for his love Annabelle killed by O'Driscoll. She knew she would hurt him the most if she would be the reason why his plans fails and the knowledge of the traitor was so close to him - because he is egomaniac. Mad womans loves to do scenes, stupid things and often lie to hurt people who wronged them. If you don´t know this you are the second kind (calm and reasonable) and someone who loves you or will love you will be very happy person.
I heard that she knew what would happen to her if she suppossedly betrayed Dutch and the gang, she wanted to die.
@@la912 Yes. Everybody knows the punishment. They talked about it after.
The fact that 42 thousand dollars wasn't enough for Dutch to think it's time to leave just proves it was never about the end goal for him. It was all about the chase and stringing people along by promising them paradise to keep them loyal and willing to bend to his ideals. Arthur was the biggest threat to that even on his death bed because he saw what was really going on, John too.
That was the money from the train job.
RDR2 might be the greatest and most impactful game I’ve played. The last ride with the beautiful song playing is by far the best part of the game but Arthur’s horse dying destroyed me. It made no sense to go back for the money as Arthur if he was going to die anyways. First time I’ve heard this girls accent. Love it! “Snake peak for y’all”
Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense.
Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass.
However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
They wouldnt know he killed arthur but it does make sense. Micahs character also would have killed Arthur so it makes sense just ashame its low Honour so you have to play unlike Arthur all game to get it.
@@hustler666100 Yes They Would Know, Remember It Was Charles Who Went To Get Arthur’s Body, He Would Have Seen The Gunshot On Arthur’s Face, And Also Dutch Had Barely Walked Away, He Heard The Gunshot.
Which Makes The Ending Make Way More Sense, Would You Keep Your Revenge Going Over All These Years Just For Someone Who May Have Snitched On You Guys? Or Would It Make More Sense That They Never Stop Hunting Micah And Chase His Down And Kill Him In Cold Blood Because He Personally Killed Arthur? Yeah That Makes More Sense
@@fabian5813 How would Charles know his body was up there on the ridge and anyone could have shot him. There's more logic Arthur dying at the camp low honour as Micah stabs him and Charles said he buried him and Miss Grimshaw
@@hustler666100 Charles Said So Himself That He Went Back Up There To Get Arthur’s Body
If you go back to previous areas as John. You can hear the voices of all of those who havé died. I like how John has so much weight on his shoulders
13:20 for love
I think Molly said that because she was drunk off her ass and she was just having a bit of a mental and emotional breakdown. All that stuff she said "I ain't HIM...I ain't HERRRRRRR". All that anger that she pushed down and repressed for so long just came out. She was lashing out at Dutch and she knew what to say to really upset him. I think she DID get picked up by the Pinkertons but she was loyal and she would not snitch so they had to let her go. Maybe the fact that she went through that AND she knew the gang (in her mind) were still all laughing at her....she just lost it but.....she knew the rules, so....
off topic, if you want to meet sadie & her husband, try playing rdo. its events are prior to the rdr2 timeline. they're part of the npc that will give you quests.
I always thought Milton was lying about Micah being the rat to create turmoil among the gang. Molly was telling the truth, and so was Micah, devilish as he was
To answer your question @8:52.... you can go back as John to get the money in the cave but once you get there the chest is under a wagon and you cant access it... i tried that exact thing as soon as i was able to with John but wasnt able to retrieve it
13:18 because she was drunk and she wanted to annoy Dutch with saying that
My headcannon is that Micah never talked, agent Milton only said he did because he knew that would destroy the gang even more, he sound really scared and hurt when he yells at dutch saying "he would never".
But he did talked in the epilogue to get back at dutch for abandoning him
yea but micah got in dutchs ear
@@alboorts i never denied that... Micah is a bastard anyway
@@EruveyConB no micahs a monsta
It is interesting that micah kills arthur if he considers him at the same level of morality as him
I liked the high honor ending the best! The low honor ending was brutal, enjoyed the Reaction! 🤗
Мне не нравится, что наша честь по какой-то причине влияет на то победит нас Мика или нет. Типо я понял замут, плохие поступки делают нас слабее морально, да вот только Мика тогда должен быть слабее нас раз в 10. Было бы гораздо круче если бы в концовках финал зависел именно от действий Артура. Например с хорошей честью но при побеге за деньгами он мог бы не доставать нож вообще и Мика тоже не достал бы его. Тогда драка была бы на кулаках и Артуру не воткнули бы нож в грудь. А вот при плохой чести он начал бы Мику оскорблять и сам достал бы нож, показывая нам, что даже Мика этого не делал. А тут бред какой-то, он был злой раньше, поэтому Мика оказался сильнее него
No, Arthur had to die...after that tb kills you...a beating...a knife to the side of you body,plus it was 1899 cant cure something like that he HAS to die...i guess the trick is to decide how...
8:20 You, Sadie and Charles take that money from Micah’s hideout in last epilogue mission on Mt. Hagen
Red bits on the map...
During the game you can put your own markers in the map to remind you where key things are...the player has probably put a few on themselves.
3:41 Don't know what but Whenever this music hits it's going to be always a conflict 🔥🔥🔥
I think the fact that Micah took 5 headshots and still walked a few steps further shows how soulless he really is and how he does not care about pain or death and is even in his final seconds acting like nothing can hurt him.
There's also one minor detail that's not shown in these if you go with John in High Honor versus Low Honor: the dialogue difference when Arthur gives John his hat. High Honor Arthur says, "It would mean a lot to me. Please." Low Honor Arthur, by contrast, says, "Here. Just take it. Ain't no use to me now."
This is my personal view of all of the endings:
Help John/High Honor: Most fulfilling
Help John/Low Honor: Most realistic
Go Back for Money/High Honor: Most boring
Go Back for Money/Low Honor: Most Dramatic
Back for the money Low honour to me is basically Arthur realising dutch never gave a damn about him and just spat in his eye to take all the money from dutch. Because lets face it to Dutch all arthur was to him was money earner.
@@Smoke_n_Mirrors_Podcast Honestly, I can’t ever see Arthur going back for the money. l Throughout the entire game, Arthur preaches that “revenge is a luxury we can’t afford” and “revenge is an idiot’s game,” so it would make absolutely no sense for him to suddenly care about revenge.
13:16 Molly was interoggated by the pinkertons but never said anything, but being drunk and angry at the person they were questioning you about, and that person also rejecting and treating you horribly, she was just bluffing and making attempts to insult dutch.
The money you get in the Epilogue IS the money from the cave plus the money from Blackwater. Dutch and Micah move it to the mountains from the end of Chapter 6 to the end of the Epilogue 👍
Molly was very drunk and angry at Dutch and was at the point were she was very suicidal. She wanted out and wanted to die.
And the money was split between John Sadie and Charles i suppose everyone got 20k
YOUR encounter on the hill was the culmination of how YOU carried Arthur as a character through the game, and you were more involved in it emotionally, thus you may be somewhat subjective about it. I would say no ending is less well executed and each would have a high impact on a complete blind play.
if you played like a bad man you don't deserve a better ending than that, a micah shot.
true.
Molly said she ratted so that dutch would pay attention to her, she was also extremely drunk so she wasnt in her right mind when she went back to beaver hollow with uncle
the final scene where Micah stabs Arthur in the low honor, money ending always gives me chills how it starts with Dutch walking away and ends when Micah stabs Arthur in the back. I feel like it represents Arthur's fear of death cause it ends as death finally reaches him.
As soon as you finish the epilogue's last mission (American Venom) John get's $20000, that is supposed to be the beaver hollow money (or what's left of it)
oh yeah, also john does comment on micah's scar, Mrbossftw was wrong there.
also, also, I think they should have made it so if you headshotted Micah he did a different animation, or if one brought a sawed off shotgun, you'd just blow his head off, and another animation would play.
No the money that john ended up collecting towards the end was from Blackwater because micah collected the money from blackwater after so long cuz Dutch buried it due to pinkertons patrolling the area on high alert. Once that presence was gone I'm guessing micah went back and got it. I think the beaver hollow money was left there and burnt considering the camp was on fire. Depends on what canon ending u go thur
The ending impacts the way John and Charles rember Arthur and changes his grave. Also if you stab micah in the eye when he calls John Scarface John says your one to talk. There were rumours that at one point you would play as Dutch based on your honour. on another note Arthur with low honour is intresting he still cares about John but he cares about himself more and his much more bitter. you should check out the low honour cutscenes and in game dilague that changes with arthurs honour.
bro even spit on arthur 1:55
Molly pissed at Dutch because he never pays attention to her, the woman that loves him. That’s why she said she talked to the pinkertons, merely to get make Dutch angry and get his attention. But to bad Mrs. Grimshaw shot her.
I don't know why some people like to spoil things when the player hasn't finished the game, but all of your questions are answered at the conclusion of the last epilog. Money. Other characters. Watch the credits.
13:15 I think she wanted to hurt Dutch by making him think she betrayed him like that, since she felt betrayed. And maybe it was also suicide by cop
You can actually kill Micah if you return for the money once he attacks dodge then strike then back up wait for him to attack then dodge then strike repeat the process but this takes awhile rockstar gave Micah double the health so the player would lose the fight.
I think molly told only the story with the bank. Molly said it and Milton said that Micah is snitching since he cames back from guarma
i was pretty shocked when i first saw the low honor money ending. it was really weird to see how much of a double-stuffed bastard low honor arthur was after only playing with high honor
Micah Shooting Arthur In The Face Is The Best Ending And Makes The Most Sense.
Sadie And John Wouldn’t Be Going After Micah So Hard If He Didn’t Personally Kill Arthur. THAT’S Why You Chase Micah To The End Of The Earth No Matter How Many Years Pass.
However, If All Micah Did Was Snitch And Break Up The Group? Naw, You Wouldn’t Chase Him Forever
I still think John High Honor is the only true Ending. Dramatic, sad, wholesome & satisfying.
GamingWins for example pointed out that Arthur doewn't "deserve" a happy or satisfying ending, like Joel.
But still, this is how you kill your Protagonist, wholesome, beautiful, with dignity.
Just my opinion tho.
Those red dots on the map are pins you can use to mark on the map. I used them if I found anything interesting that I wanted to go back to.
13:25 I think Molly only claimed to be the rat because she was desperate for Dutch’s attention and suicidal
Thank you for this.
The red markers are manual waypoints (You can put them all over the map for interesting things you find and wanna go back to)… Edit: Sorry someone spoiled the epilogue for you. People are Aholes
13:17: bc she was drunk
Molly was probably having an affair with Colm. In the mission where Sadie stabs the guy that killed her husband for revenge, if you come back and the dead body is still there you can find a letter if you inspect it from the Colm while he is in jail, telling something like he met this drunk lady while he was in this town, or something like that, again, I don't remember a lot from the game. Basically implying that molly set them up, if she was that one lady of course.
Short version: Molly was angry and drunk. She just wanted to hurt Dutch in that moment, similar to saying you cheated on your partner just to hurt them.
Trippy commentaries, strange man and mr boss FTW are good although some of your comments disagree. Through these I’m still learning things after many playthroughs
Oh hell nawh, not MrBossFTW💀💀💀
If you know when you go back up there again when you finish the mission you can get Micah gun and keep it
I always go back for the money with high honor.
Why?
1. I prefer Arthur will die from a stab wound in the gut than from injuries from a fist fight, it looks more realistic.
2. Slashing Micah's eye is satisfying.
3. Pushing back the pinkertons and Micah and Dutch is way more helpful for John than going 100 meters with him and than leaving him.
4. Arthur had a chance to live. I don't expect modern gamers to be smart or educated, but TB doesn't have 100% mortality rate. Without treatment it has like 50%. So if Arthur could take the money he might use it to go for warm and dry place, like the doctor said, and maybe heal. Even if it eventually wouldn't work, Arthur could give the rest of the money to John or anyone who needed it, or at least deny it from Micah and Dutch.
5. It makes more sense. Arthur killed all the pinkertons before entering a fight with Micah, who was in the way for the money as well. But if Arthur goes with John, Micah would just pop up like a magician from the mountain top during the fight with the pinkertons (which didn't realy over).
6. Arthur looks much stronger in this scenarion until he got stabbed than if he help John.
I think they should have remove the choice and make Arthur go back to cover John, but not before the heartbreaking dialoge they had on the cliff.
gotta love how the guy in the epilogue video got so much stuff wrong
I went to get the money first play through cuz i didnt know that was it for arthur. I went and played the whole game again cuz i didnt wanna stop playing as him
If you cut micah's eye john will say "Kind of rich calling me scarface!" And micah will say "your buddy arthur did this to me...i've won"
I hope that Rockstar will go even further back with RED DEAD REDEMPTION 3 and allow us to play as someone else (who finds their own redemption) and then as Arthur Morgan for the epilogue.
This guy is wrong, you see, John actually mentions Micah's scar. And Micah says "your friend Arthur did this to me!". So no, there ARE a unique dialogue about Micah's scar.
I found the end of Arthur's story very unsatisfying, actually. I mean, he failed to defeat ANY of the game's primary antagonists. Milton was killed by Abigail, Arthur was about to get killed BY him. Of course Micah gets to kill Arthur, Arthur doesn't get to kill him either. I had thought he might drag them both over the cliff, and both would die together. Then there's Dutch. We know Dutch makes an appearance in the first game, which means he needs to survive this one. However, to defeat Dutch, he needed Dutch to come back around and admit he had failed Arthur... to show some remorse, at least. Perhaps even kill Micah then and there. Of course, I don't know what the epilogue would have been in that case.
Any way you slice it, Arthur failed to defeat ANY of the game's villains. Sure, he redeemed himself, but that's hollow succour considering he's killed off.
Replying to this late. Arthur was the reason John was able to get away and live a life with his family. Even in the dishonorable endings, he distracts dutch, micah, and the pinkertons. Yeah he didn't defeat any antagonists, but that's not really the point of the game. Red Dead Redemption is representing the end of the wild west and redemption from your past sins. While many may say that he did more wrong then right, I always felt Arthur was not necessarily trying to redeem himself, but trying to save and redeem others. We see this with saving John and his family, but there was also other moments too like helping the native americans, edith downes, etc... (SPOILERS FOR RDR1) Eventually, in RDR1, John tries to make up for his past sins in order for his family to live on. He accomplishes this too. When you look at it in this perspective, you can see that he did win against dutch and micah. They died without any meaning, while both John and Arthurs deaths represented something greater.
Actually the money is collected by Dutch and Micah if you don’t go back with Arthur. And it is the money that you get as John after killing Micah at the epilogue’s end. You don’t get 100% cause they spent it a bit (they mention it)
The money at the end is gold and cash from the Blackwater job not the money at the end of the game.
Honestly the return for the money ending is way more cool. Having a knife fight in an inferno against Micah, the man you hated the most for most part of the game.
Imo, the bad ending when you help john is the best ending. Its such a fucking gut punch.
Please be sure to block whoever gave you a spoiler because they will be there to do it again in your next play through.
That first one was actually pretty great if that's how you played the game. Live a lone wolf life die the lone wolf life.
Hey I love your vids
The low honour endings hit way harder then the high honour
Just imagine
Chasing a outlaw who is running away with an army
But soon he stops
Turns arounds
And starts heading in your way screaming "you're all dead"
That's where you know
It's the end
I saved John with low honor on my first playthrough. I paid a heavy price for that.
I almost had a stroke when I hear hey guys its Mr boss for the win here
The guy in vid was wrong john says to "micah you're really calling me scarface" micah says "your buddy Arthur did this to me i won"
You should see the small cutscene of when you get 100% in the game.
13:31 molly said she ratted the gang out because she was drunk
molly said she ratted because she wanted attention from dutch, she never ratted.
Why did you react to MrBossFTW? He is a content thief.