Which Hate Cards are Worth It? | A Guide to Hate Pieces in Commander
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2020
- Which hate cards are worth playing in your commander deck, and how can you tell? We've got your answers!
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We've got your answers to which commander hate cards are worth playing, and we are going over what makes a hate piece good and what we actually expect from them. Hope you enjoy today's episode, and let us know of your favorite hate pieces in edh! 
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I genuinely love you guys. I feel like this is one of the few channels that talks about my power level in commander like everybody else is either straight up cedh or they're all playing game knights low power stuff but here I feel like they're actually talking about my kind of edh
Same man same, love these guys and the down to earth energy and approach they bring EDH
Same
Also worth mentioning with blind obedience: Treasure tokens come in tapped. Often it is overlooked that treasures have to be tapped as well
Yasharn is so good at stopping treasures.
Gotta love blind obedience
As a certain Knight once said, "...player removal"
Was that Mel?
@@NitpickingNerds yea it was in the tribal commander precon episodes
Collector Ouphe isn't just holding my opponents mana rocks for ransom, he's also got my heart for ransom ♥ I love that little dude.
This is an A1 comment
"Do decks in EDH really try to win by attacking?" Yes. This question makes me appreciate my casual play group/meta more than ever. I do NOT want to play in a competitive combo oriented meta. It would ruin the format for me. I intentionally build ALL of my decks to power level 6 and avoid infinite combos, although a couple of members of my playgroup have started to stick infinite 2 card combo win conditions in their decks........it's a slippery slope.
I play in a competitive meta and we still win by attacking constantly. Anyone who says you can't win by attacking in combo heavy metas makes garbage aggro decks
Right? This was one of the most clueless comments I’ve ever heard on this channel. Decks like Yuriko and Lathril might kill you another way, but they get there thru the combat step. Then there’s Voltron and commander damage strats.
@@Fausto_4841 Godo/helm literally wins by creating infinite combat steps lol
@@abnormallynormal8823 that is clearly cEDH COMBO
AbnormallyNormal // that’s a combo
Ashiok is a beast, anti searching + 4 self mill + onesided repeatable gravehate. This is the kind of card that will make your opponnents say, wait, it does that too?
Totally awesome planeswalker
Criminally underrated walker for sure! If I could play a second copy of any card across any deck, it'd be a second ashiok or a second Collector Ouphe
Soul-Guide Lantern has to be one of my favorite Commander graveyard hate cards!
It's so awesome! It's also not overpowered or anything, just totally fair and playable
@@NitpickingNerds fair and probably going to become a commander staple over time...I was really lucky to pickup 4x FOILS at 75 cents each when the set came out!
Newer sub. Recently found the channel from Prof and One More Mana. Im 31 and getting into the game after playing* in the year 2000 after my 6th grade friend gave me like 60 cards or so... I had no idea how to play so I put them in my binder of Pokemon. Fast forward 18 years and that Aug 2018 I got into MTG ARENA and the rest is history. I still don't know many of the mechanics from MTG's history but I literally am building my first Commander deck and eventually a for fun Pioneer and modern.
Hey that's awesome to hear! What commander are you going to build?
Idk, I have chulane, Roon for bant and I was thinking of making an Argothian enchantress deck with over 80% permanents and going the Genesis wave route. I'm still a noob. Xd
@@NitpickingNerds I'm also considering a full on Bant enchantment deck using celestial convergence and things like Medicine runner and Hex parasite. A lot of fog spells and enchantments used as creatures with Starfield of the Nyx. I'm sure it's gonna be a weak/slower deck but I like the flavor.
@@Habeev07 love the deck idea. Id recomend a Muldrotha with only one non permanent which is primal surge. This is my absolute favorites deck cus its a combo deck that has so much value. You got springbloom druid n wood elves as your ramp massacre girl n nevs disk for boardwipes, hostage taker n thorn mamoth n caustic catapiller for removal. The deckbuilding is awesome. My deck cant have any cards that draw otherwise primal surge could kill me, so all my draw is jus self mill and feldons cane n perpetual timepeice to protect my graveyard. If primal surge resolves in my deck goes infinite with some crazy triggers.
It's crazy how fast you guys are growing. Kudos for putting in the work
Yeah we've really been busting our butts, but it seems to be paying off
Gentlemen, I think you're vastly underestimating Suppression Field. It also shuts down basalt monolith, isochron scepter, aristocrats, birthing pod, equipment, slows Sneak Attack, slows Cycling, slows commanders like Kenrith & Yuriko... there's a ton of archetypes that hate this card.
Encore that just came out gets hit by it so Araumi gets double taxed (doesn't hit escape). Man lands get a lot worse. Thrasios costing 6 for his ability balances him out more.
Love your videos guys, keep up the great work and keep the advice coming!
Hi guys,
Congrats on 10k!
I thought that it was interesting (and please take this as constructive criticism cos I care) that you dismissed Ghostly Prison, Sphere of Safety et al as "traps" that you shouldn't play, as you play near CEDH level.
Of course, most people dont, and play creature heavy/focused decks. Yes, combo decks are also prevalent at lower power levels (I know, I have a mixture of decks that are combo or creature oriented) but it seemed to me to be a mistake to dismiss an entire branch of cards, just because they dont work in your meta, whereas for a lot of people they could be a powerhouse.
Cards like GP and SoS can literally shut down decks, thereby giving me the time to set of MY combos. 😁
Anyway, my Tuvasa Enchantress deck plays a lot of pillowfort and hate cards. A few of the cards in there that you didnt mention include:
CHOKE (absolutely brutal against blue decks)
Aura of Silence
Solemnity
Wheel of Sun and Moon
Now, I know that a lot of people wont agree with this, but I think cards like Rhystic Study and Smothering Tithe are ACTUALLY hate cards, with a fantastic ability tacked on. What I mean is this; these cards are actually a way of forcing (if they play it properly) other players to tap mana to prevent the card ability triggering (a tax if you will) thereby reducing the mana and weakening their play.
This is why players literally hate "paying" the 1/2/3/4, cos it not only buggers up their turn but accelerates yours...
Anyway, this was a brilliant choice of video for me, as I'm just brewing a Yarsharn, Implacable Earth HateBOAR deck! (I'll get my coat...)
Hey thanks for all the feedback! We get where you're coming from, although I think we would extend our dislike for propaganda's to the lower power levels as well, but it depends on your playgroup. Also we LOVE aura of silence but wanted to give love to cards we don't usually talk about for this one
Energy Flux is my favorite card for artifact shut-down
Agreed
Agreed
and artifacts usually runs red to shut down blue
@@coinswaptrader2915 Agreed
Agreed
I've been watching the back log of videos and I'm loving it.
I had a shalai deck, hushbringer was easily one of the best cards in there. The best game with it was when I faced both teysa karlov, yarok and brago. Needless to say I won that game.
Congrats on the 10k!
Just one point; Leyline of the Void is rarely used in cEDH as it is too expensive at 4 mana (unless with luck it is in hand). RIP is used and also sometimes Ashiok because it stop library search as well for 1 mana less.
I do play myself LotV in casual-high play of EDH.
Keep up your good work :)
Thanks for the positivity and cedh info!
Really grown to love this channel. All 4 of my decks aside from one are stall decks. I’ve really been enjoying using Zedruu and Savra, Queen of the Golgari. Makes people extremely upset lol.
Thank you! Do people really get mad when you use savra to make them sacrifice? 😂
@@NitpickingNerds indeed it does 😂
I run Infernal Darkness in my K'rrik deck (not enough creatures to support Contamination). With my commander in play, I only need to pay life for the upkeep, and I typically only need it in play for a turn or two to win.
That's pretty nasty, I like it!
Those cards are some i play and they work well in most of my decks. Great video Gentlemen
thanks pawz
I like "Karn, the Great Creator" in my Bosh deck... Get to attack with a big dumb artifact then fling it at somebody's face... Especially hilarious in response to them blocking it!
Karn, the Great Creator is such a good addition to the new Lorehold precon deck. (which was not out yet when the video was made) One interesting artifact hate card, that I like and wasn't mentioned, is Kataki, War's Wage.
The two best mtg content makers on the youtubes
awwww thanks!
Gratz on 10k
Thanks! Time to shoot for 20,000
Good video! A few thoughts:
Still no love for Drannith Magistrate? Unless I missed it.
No real mention of taxing effects like Thorn of Amethyst, Thalia, Sphere of Resistance, Trinisphere, etc.
Karn the Great Creator can get cards back from exile as well, not just "wishboards".
My favorite underrated hate card is Energy Flux (and its creature form Kataki, War's Wage). They're excellent if you aren't heavy on artifacts.
I know a 30 minute video can't cover everything, though. Cheers.
I think rest in peace and leyline comboing with helm of obedience and being really good hate pieces are worth mentioning. (Although helm is not a good card without them).
Had Blazing Archon and Dovscape on the field once... Blazing Archon felt pretty good then lol but I agree with what you said about it
You guys are awesome, keep doing this.
Will do! We really like the worth it series
Couple of my favorite combos.
Blood moon + glaciers
Solitary confinement + blood clock.
Super excited for disclaimer guy at the roast and I too missed the freeze frames always cracked me up too
We just recorded the roast and you will not be disappointed
@@NitpickingNerds I never am with youseguys
@@demphisford614 awwww
I like when you say 'it is better to focus on what you are doing rather than try and stop what others are doing in general' ... I need my buddies who run like a dozen board wipes in their decks haha...
Really dig the channel
I mainly used Windborn Muse and Ghostly Prison in Sen Triplets to slow down Kaalia, but it’s not really that effective now that I think about it. What’s the best way to deal with her besides counter, kill or pacify? I don’t want things like Containment Priest though because I have a bit of a grave robbing strategy in there too.
What is your opinion on scavenging ooze? Low? Middle? Better in other formats?
congrats on 10k subs
Thanks!!! It's been awesome
I love hating graveyards, I play at least 2 in every deck. Two cards you didn't mention are scrabling claws and phyrexian furnace. Both are 1 cmc artifacts that can shut down grave decks and are often draw engines that are almost never bad. Another allstar is cremate 1cmc black instant exile a card in a grave cantrip it has a 2cmc brother in headstone. I try not to hate too much on lands but all else is game.
As a Daretti player I love Karn, Great Creator and really wouldn't want a wish board getting him banned from EDH (the -2 ability is my out to Rest In Peace and +1 makes Lattice a 6/6!). Would love to see another stax video as i think it's a criminally underappreciated aspect of EDH that should be embraced way more than it is when it comes to deck brewing and threat assessing. If people don't make decks that have a way out of stax pieces (excluding hard locks like Stasis) and choose to sit down with a stax player then it's on them to upgrade their decks rather than complain that there deck has been hosed out of the game.
What do you think about the attacking hate cards in a Queen Marchesa/monarch focused deck?
Glad to see you guys are getting popular :) ... I would have to say that Karn does return your cards which have been exiled.. does not require a wish board.
How likely are you too have cards in exile?
@@NitpickingNerds Cards are exiled quite frequently in a game of EDH.. one bojuka bog for example. Nonetheless i am simply noting that ability is a bit better than most give credit.
@13:17 the thing about Confounding Conundrum is that it wasn't made with Commander being the main home for it, it was for the 60 card constructed formats in mind. Because if it didn't replace itself nobody would play it
Ahhh the classic reasoning that brought about like a hundred standard bans lol
80% of my decks are attacking lol
You can play however you want :D
@@NitpickingNerds my negan deck, is a sacrifice my opponents die deck
@@NitpickingNerds 1 Negan, the Cold-Blooded
1 Acrobatic Maneuver
1 Ambition's Cost
1 Ancient Craving
1 Angrath's Rampage
1 Arcane Signet
1 Barter in Blood
1 Bastion of Remembrance
1 Blood Crypt
1 Blood Divination
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Bonders' Enclave
1 Bone Picker
1 Boros Signet
1 Burnished Hart
1 Cloudshift
1 Command Tower
1 Conjurer's Closet
1 Consecrate // Consume
1 Crackling Doom
1 Cruel Celebrant
1 Crush Contraband
1 Damnable Pact
1 Debt to the Deathless
1 Demon's Disciple
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Eldrazi Displacer
1 Ephemerate
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Exsanguinate
1 Falkenrath Noble
1 Fate Forgotten
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Flicker of Fate
1 Flooded Strand
1 Foul-Tongue Invocation
1 Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge
1 Godless Shrine
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Innocent Blood
1 Justiciar's Portal
1 Kor Cartographer
1 Liberate
1 Lucille
1 Mausoleum Secrets
1 Merciless Executioner
1 Mimic Vat
3 Mountain
1 Myriad Landscape
1 Mythos of Snapdax
1 Necrologia
1 Nomad Outpost
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Path of Mettle // Metzali, Tower of Triumph
1 Plaguecrafter
6 Plains
1 Polluted Delta
1 Profane Command
1 Profane Procession // Tomb of the Dusk Rose
1 Rakdos Signet
1 Red Sun's Zenith
1 Reign of the Pit
1 Rogue's Passage
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Savai Triome
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Single Combat
1 Slum Reaper
1 Smothering Tithe
1 Sol Ring
7 Swamp
1 Syphon Mind
1 Taste of Death
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Thriving Bluff
1 Thriving Heath
1 Thriving Moor
1 Utter End
1 Vivid Crag
1 Vivid Marsh
1 Vivid Meadow
1 Voyager Staff
1 White Sun's Zenith
1 Woebringer Demon
1 Wooded Foothills
1 World Queller
1 Zulaport Cutthroat
@@Npocommander the walking dead card? Hmmmmmm
@@moreparmesan5261 yes got most of the peices for him
Great video guys! good work! greetings from sweden! =)
Hi Sweden, and thanks!
Joe, love u bb, but Karn the Great Creator can still get artifacts from exile! In the lower power decks, this can be a fun little combo with Ugin the Virgin and Karn Scion o'Urza or even the original Weatherlight if you wanna get real spicy
Ghostly Prison has helped me quite a bit. It deters people from attacking me so they can preserve their mana in the early game and makes it far more difficult for them to run me over with 5+ beaters or infinite tokens in the late game. Definitely worth it.
Cleansing Nova has been MVP in my commander deck. It's so versatile in so many situations and gains some political points if I single-handedly stop the guy who's so far ahead.
I know this deck released after the video, but karn the great creator is really solid in osgir. The worst case scenario is you get back a mana rock or artifact land to make more copies
Taking notes for elesh norn stax :P
white has the most of these so you're in luck lol
A second tier hate card I'd like to mention is Pendrell Mists (or Tabernacle if you have the money). I say that it's second tier because you really want to be in a stax theme to leverage it's value
Yeah it doesn't do much on its own
How do I interact with my graveyard with my mono red goblin deck?
Curious if you guys have tried Containment Priest. Probably a meta call but it does a decent job of hating on a variety of strategies - blink, reanimator, polymorph, sneak attack, ninjutsu, creature tutors like birthing pod/chord of calling/finale of devastation. Forcing Derevi players to actually cast him is pretty funny.
We aren’t a huge fan of the card overall but I see the upside of playing it
what do you think about stranglehold?
anyone know if Rest in Peace's static ability triggers Ranar the ever watchful?|
edit: just realized if this is the case, your spirit tokens can never die since they'd be exiled aswell.
I have a virtus/gorm deck. I have equips and rogues passage in the deck to make him unblockable. If that was not enough i have quietus spike in the deck as well. So yea combat damage can be viable.
Really depends on the deck, I'd say that deck is more of an exception
@@NitpickingNerds i enjoy the challenge of winning by combat. It has a certain level of satisfaction a combo just cant deliver. I do agree that deck can be a bit too OP for a casual game so i rarely use it.
I'm putting $$ on Void Mirror becoming a $$ hoser card. Edh has so many ways to cheat stuff out for free and as long as you can bounce it you're good. Also dress down is amazing in some situations! Plus those are multi-format playable.
Contamination is a great way to make your opponents experiment with player removal
I would point out karn can get artifacts out of exile, making it a little better!
Congrats on that 10k players!
Thank you!!!
How about my two favorites.....Gaddock Teeg and Lavina....now I don’t have them in the same decks rather they lead two of my decks....
They're cool, Teeg can be a real nightmare
Kunoros is my voltron commander bc it shuts down one of its major weaknesses. GY value
I love collector ouphe in green creature focused decks because while your soul ring is useless so is every red white and sometimes black decks ramp package not to mention artifact decks are just completely out of the game until it gets removed.
Yeah collector ouphe is one Im not afraid to play despite having a few higher powered mana rocks it can just KO players
Karn the Great Creator. No, you listed three ways to get SYMMETRICAL versions of that^^ Also note that Karn can get artifacts from exile.
That said, they go in different decks. Karn is more for your Bosh or Osgirs.
No artifact hate, I thought every deck plays artifact like sol ring, mana crypt, etc. I thought it would be the first hate on the list, its not even on the list.. did I miss something?
Just FYI it's ok to have printed show notes on your desk instead of reaching for the laptop/desktop :P
Never! lol
Printer paper and printing ink is expensive and bad for the environment, they are trying to keep it high and tight.
@@NitpickingNerds you know what, fair enough. Respect for sticking to your guns
Basically we just should have cut that part out lol
@@NitpickingNerds lol if its extra work for you then don't bother. Im not complaining just thought it was funny
Even mono-colored decks have a ton of non-basics
And collector ouphe is incredibly powerful if you're in any natural green deck lol
I love jamming Field of the Dead so Blood Moon might shut me off of having 3 white sources some games lol
@@NitpickingNerds I've Been thinking about running field of the dead, splitting my basics into snow and regular, making the mana base 50% non-basic or better lol
Does delve count as using your graveyard ?
I'd say so!
Obviously ....
I have a karametra ench deck, and prison and sphere is awesome for me. But my play group is not cedh :b
Just over one year later and you're at 51.6 k subs
hall of gemstone is a pretty funny one that never quite makes it into my decks. hate cards make me feel bad.
in fact there is a green blood moon. hall of gemstone is the worst form of blood moon but if your opponent is 3 colored ore sometimes even in 2 colored decks you have a card nearly as good.
I think the lifelink on Hushbringer isn’t random so much as it’s an attempt to make the card maindeckble. The colour least likely to be inconvenienced by having triggers denied is red, but the lifelink gives the card some play versus red. That said, I play modern not Commander; perhaps it’s NA in your format.
I liked your show cuz you guys seem higher competitive level. My turn off to EDH is it seems liked dumbed down magic. Sorry, I respect that comment won’t sit well w EDH players. But this seems like a more skilled site.
I feel like "Teferi, Time Raveler" is missing here.. I know, maybe not the strongest in commander but the static effect can still be relevant and he is only three mana..
No he's great, we just left off some of those cards as we felt they didn't 100% fit with what we were talking about but I could totally see them as "hate" cards for instants
@@NitpickingNerds OK yeah I can agree on that.. oh and congrats to the 10k sunbs ^^
Stony silence and wars toil are my favorites
I haven't really played war's toll, how has it been for you?
I have a Kunoros B/W hate deck that plays most of the cards you named.
Cool, how does that card usually perform for you?
@@NitpickingNerds this deck has a strong life gain synergy so that helps a lot and I tend to be able to attack and block every turn with very little issue.
What do you guys think about sphere of safety in an enchantress deck?
Not really fans, it's too much investment for defense when you aren't guaranteed to even need to worry about attackers
@@NitpickingNerds kind of like blazing archon you mentioned earlier where it is a chunk of mana that doesnt push ahead the gameplan
As someone who is a DEDICATED Enchantress player (I have multiple EDH Enchantress decks, and Enchantress decks in every other format I play) Sphere of Safety in most power levels is incredible, but it depends on your meta. The two metas I play in range in power from jank to 8/9.
Tuvasa is my strongest deck, and while I used to have the whole suite of SoS, Ghost and Propaganda in there. I eventually went all in on the "I dont take damage from anything" route and the only one that survived was SoS, it's that good, cos once you reach a critical mass of enchantments, no-one can attack you ever unless they have infinite mana.
@@LTJ i have SoS and Ghost in my Alela deck that works with enchantments and artifacts but I am leaning towards enchantments
@@the_names_rob I'm known I'm my metas as the Enchantress or the Enchantment guy. I love Enchantments. 😁
Would have liked to have seen Aura of Silence get a mention somewhere
I still run a "light of day " and a "dread of night " ...
I'm about to get on
Get on... what?
Hall of gemstone is a sleeper for mono green decks
I would be playing like half of these everywhere if they weren't so damn expensive. Most Blood Moon-wannabes hover around 10€ and don't get started on Null Rod.
Also, the Great Creator's -2 can get artifacts from exile.
You guys didnt mention something that every deck can implement as hate without cutting very much out. Targeted land destruction! every deck needs a way to be able to destroy gaea's cradle/urborg/ancient tomb/field of the dead/maze of ith etc. and except if your mana fixing is really hard pretty much every deck can swap out a land slot for a techtonic edge/ghost quarter/dustbowl/strip mine/field of ruin/ or wasteland
We might do a separate video on land destruction, it feels more like removal than hate to us but good idea
storm cauldron + confounding conundrum
You guys need to re-read karn's wish ability. It's not just a wish, it can get cards out of exile. It's a way for you to recover your infinite artifact combo pieces that have been exiled by your opponents.
How likely are you to have cards in exile?
@@NitpickingNerds That question depends on your playgroup's meta. In my playgroup which is a high powered meta, we actively exile people's combo pieces often as a way to prevent their decks from winning. Since most of our wins are from people going infinite.
I don't mind stacks, the issue is that some people stack hate and have 1 wincon in their deck
I like hall of gemstones for green hate
That card is so weird lol
I'd argue Archangel of Tithes IF you're in a combat meta. Taxes attacks but more significantly it taxes BLOCKING.
One thing I don't understand, how is bad that a card like Karn can be attacked when you just said in your "High Power" games attacking isn't relevant? That means everyone is always holding back their creatures or they don't play many, which means Karn would be quite safe.
We are talking about as a win condition, but attacks do still happen all the time :)
@@NitpickingNerds Understandable.
Another Hate Card you missed, which I love to bits, is Thalia, Heretic Cathar. Nothing like making Fetchlands the absolute worst.
While I like all of these cards I try not to play more than a few per decks because I like my opponents to have fun after all that is the point of commander to me you guys must play in a only spell slinger combo meta seems like your constantly saying no one wins through combat damage which isn’t the case in many games I’ve played in great video
Yeah it's not about building only stax decks, but sometimes you want to pack some hate for a strategy or two
You guys are machines!
We try to be! but only in the good way
@@NitpickingNerds I just don't get how you guys get so many videos done so quickly. Do you eat or sleep?
That Guy well it’s 3am and I’m not sleeping 😴
@@NitpickingNerds That's because you're gonna drop an awesome video again. Your insight helps with my deck building. Thank you for the ideas and banter. I can tell you guys are friends.
You guys beat commanders brew to 10k subs. Congratulations guys definitely deserve every one of them.
They'll make it too!
@@NitpickingNerds totally they rock. Im chomping at the bit for some more battle of the brews episodes.
Yeah I think they said that they won’t be doing it until Covid dies down so it might be a while :(
What about Nether Void?
Also a good option, but very expensive
I wish you guys showed the cards on the screen more.
No mention of Stranglehold? Stops searching AND extra turns^^
and the new black anti-tutor
I like Illusionary Mask. It's the ultimate hate card. By the time you read through all of the rulings, everyone hates you
Infinite mill with leyline of the void and another card, helm of obedience
That is a spicy combo, true
Ill play rust in peace now :)
rust in peace sounds like another name for stony silence
You didn't cover stranglehold
It's a deece card, not sure exactly how strong it is
Introduction: who cares about attacking.
Second card they show: I like Remorseful Cleric because it has evasion.
What's evasion going to do if attacking is apparently the worst thing to do?
We don’t like attacking as a go-to win condition. People still attack all the time lol
Which you can leverage into advantage as the game goes on. Ghostly Prison gives you time to play your deck exactly because people don't want to pay if they can attack someone else for free. Your meta might be about stopping more combo's than combat, but attacking should not be completely discarded as a way to win the game, every 2/2 you can discourage to attack you, means they need to spend 2 more mana on a lethal Exsanguinate or other stumbled upon late game wincon. It's made for longer games, in which you can play more elaborate gameplans, personalizing the experience of 100 card singleton, which I'd like to think of being a big reason to play commander.
M F'in hype train full steam ahead!
Honestly super excited to see where things go
@@NitpickingNerds I just found out about you guys last month, I hope you guys can sustain maintain and thrive for several years
I have an Urza, High lord Artificer Stax Edh deck, so I run quite a lot of these. Nothings better than after everyone taps out, playing stasis and frozen aether, and then everyone forfeiting LOL
Any aggressive, boros wins by playing hatebears as creatures. Slow your opponnent down since you wont be ramping haha.