They really need to bring back the Nintendo Selects line, games like this should really be around a third of their original prices after this many years.
@@wohao_gaster7434 From what I heard and seen of the game, not finishing it is understandable. I refuse to believe that game sold well and I swear Nintendo only price dropped it in order to sell whatever they had already produced.
Honestly, that's a really bad definition of what "unfinished" means. By that logic, ET for the Atari is a finished game, since it is technically functional. But I doubt anyone will be willing to argue that ET was a finished, as-intended experience, because it pretty obviously was not. Lowering the standards of a "finished" game to one that is, on a basic level, functional is not the direction critics should be heading down. Just another way to play softball with Nintendo. "It's not unfinished, it's just missing features that games have had for the last thirty years!" No. It's unfinished. It is unacceptable, Nintendo should be ashamed, and we should shame them for allowing this dribble on store shelves.
I feel that there’s no need to worry about Mario Strikers Battle League, considering it isn’t Camelot, it’s Next Level Games. Next Level Games has an extremely good track record and their previous projects have been great. But unfortunately if your suspicions end up being true, I’m still gonna bite the bullet as the last game came out 15 years ago, and I’ve been waiting nearly my entire life for a new one. So hopefully Nintendo doesn’t take advantage of that. I have high hopes for the game, and I think we’ll see a lot more next month in terms of characters, stages, and modes.
Next level games made the of strikers and the Luigi mansion sequels right? I think battle league characters. Edit: I don’t even know what I was trying to say tf
Camalot also use to have a good track record, I wouldn’t be optimistic considering this is modern nintendo we are talking about where they cut corners with there games and fixes them later and they just don’t care about Quality any more.
@@smashbattle6969 I mean, Luigi's Mansion 3 is still good, and not something I would call rushed, and that is a modern Next Level Games title that came out _later_ than Mario Tennis Aces. I don't think we should assume the absolute worst _just_ because Nintendo is the publisher, and just keep focusing on the developers instead.
There is some validity to the "unfinished" definition nitpick, in that "unfinished" implies that there was an intention for there to be more to the game. That's arguably the biggest matter with Aces; it likely isn't a case of trying and failing, but rather of never making the attempt at all. From appearances, Aces was never designed to be more than a lower-effort lower-content title that would still be sold at a premium price, which apparently both Camelot and Nintendo were perfectly fine with. Which is a pretty bad warning sign not just for future Camelot titles, but Nintendo titles in general.
I actually got Mario Tennis for the 3DS recently and I was surprised at how good it was! It has that classic Mario charm you'd come to expect and plenty if content! It even has free online! Mario Golf on 3DS was even better and I highly advise picking that game up and its DLC before the eShop closes in a few more months!
@@Demeech Yeah, that can be a game breaker for many, but they are okay personally. They side games, unlockables, and personality make up for that kinda. It would have been neat also if there was a story mode like in the original, but at least the developers didn't bite off more than what they could chew.
@@wohao_gaster7434 I think they mean “Clubs” like teams. Like, you can make a club with your friends and challenge other clubs like real life football. Those are what clubs are, not online servers or 1v1 normal online matches
Scott The Woz: Just because a game doesn't inheritly have terrible level design or any major bugs or glitches, that doesn't mean it's fine, it means it works. Just because a game works doesn't make it good.
Just because a game works doesn’t mean it’s good? I mean come the fuck on Mario tennis aces is fun but if you want a game that shouldn’t be good but is good is bravely second end layer
Mario Power Tennis is the best and can never be beat. That Opening feels like a Oscar Worthy short film. They even have the balls to add bloopers to it. You can tell they were having a blast making that game.
It is utterly depressing how far Nintendo has fallen from grace. For the past decade, my Wii U and Switch have seen more use than my PS4 and Xbox One combined because Nintendo's exclusives were exactly what I wanted from video games: no microtransaction/loot box/pay to win nonsense, being complete at launch (in terms of both polish and content), and most important of all, having the budget spent on making the gameplay as engaging, exciting, and possibly even innovative as possible, rather than just blowing money on celebrity talent or the most trendy licensed music. In my honest opinion, Nintendo should have been firing on all cylinders for the entirety of the Switch era, not only giving us consistently amazing installments in nearly every one of their major franchises, but also giving us an enormous library of retro games from all of their legacy systems (including the Virtual Boy) at a steady pace, where we would have access to each title with a subscription OR be able to buy individual titles in a Virtual Console-like fashion. And, of course, having online that actually works. The Switch had the potential to be absolutely LEGENDARY, and I think if Nintendo hadn't sat on their laurels and instead given us exactly what I just described, it would've not only hit the 100 million mark much sooner, but it might've even surpassed the mighty PS2 as the best selling console of all time. Mind you, the Switch itself is still far from bad or even mediocre, but I feel like it's an unfortunate case of wasted opportunities. Let's hope the Switch's inevitable successor listens to the actual feedback of diehard fans, rather than sample the 90% of the install base that doesn't know anything about video games, to improve itself and unleash that potential. UPDATE: In retrospect, I feel like I had overexaggerated a bit with saying Nintendo "fell from grace" during the Switch era, especially with the games. Like Youngsta Joey and several others pointed out, there have been far more hits than misses in the Switch era, with most of these games being spectacular and pushing their respective series forward. I still stand by my points regarding legacy content and the online service, though, and I would also add Nintendo's atrocious habit of taking down romsites hosting their games and people uploading their music on RUclips and then having a Direct or some other big announcement to make everyone forget about what they did. You know, instead of actually providing easy and legal ways for people to experience their old games and music, which would literally be the easiest money they could possibly make.
honestly....they haven't fully fallen from grace but they've had some mistakes in this era, also I think the Switch could still possibly outsell the PS2.
@@Jdudec367 Maybe not because the ps2 was a revolution console but the switch is just a hybrid machine with limited hardware numbers during the pandemic
@@therealjaystone2344 Eh....the Switch wasn't the first hybrid system but it's still revolutionary. A big reason the PS2 sold so well wasn't even the games...but because it's a DVD player. The Switch sold very well even before the pandemic.
You're exaggerating a bit there bud. They've made big mistakes with the switch, but to say they've "fallen from grace" because you're butthurt they don't take every suggestion you have is ridiculous. As the other guy said, they've actually gone up in terms of quality. We're getting definitive releases in many of their franchises, hitting new peaks. Smash ultimate, botw, mario odyssey, forgotton land, legends arceus, three houses, luigis mansion 3, splatoon 2, xenoblade 2...it goes on. We have unique hardware that isn't relying on some gimmick like motion controls or 3d, but an actual innovative feature. We have gotten few droughts like we did with the Wii U. If anything, most years have been packed with big releases, like 2017, 2019, 2021, and now 2022. Not discounting anything you said, those are valid criticisms. But to use those to paint the whole switch era as a fall from grace is stretching.
First of all, I'm a diehard Mario Tennis Aces fan. I've adored this game since it came out, and I've loved the free updates. That said, I can totally understand people's frustration with the amount of content being dished out for a $60 game that isn't even technically complete. For me, I had zero problems with it. Even if this game got zero updates, no single player content, and no mini-games whatsoever, I STILL would have loved it. It's a competitive 1-on-1 multiplayer game. That is already a pretty niche market mostly dominated by fighting games. The fact that it is a tennis game makes it an even more niche market. For the sake of sales, Nintendo had to give this game more content, but the game ultimately doesn't need any of it. The gameplay is INCREDIBLE. The visuals are gorgeous. The adrenaline rush this game gives me is rivaled only by a handful of other competitive games. Why should I care if there's a few more extra characters that I'll never play as coming or a single player mode that I'll spend no more than three hours on when I can sink hundreds of hours into a stellar multiplayer experience? That's just my take. Mario Tennis Aces didn't do enough for the casual market, but for the competitive audience, this game was exactly what it needed to be day one.
Same here. Not a "diehard fan" but I actually play this game online pretty regularly and I still think it has best gameplay from the series even though it lacks other content. I love how it basically brought back all the gameplay features from previous games and made them more balanced/skill based. For example power shots from power tennis are basically special shots now but they actually do feel more powerful and satisfying. Defensive power shots are basically trick shots now. Chance shots are fully charged shots now so theyre more skill based rather than being random/luck based. Ultra smash where character would jump and deliver powerful shot is now a zone shot where you can also aim but now requires energy so you cant spam it all the time like in ultra smash making it more balanced rather than being too op. Would I prefered if this game had more themed courts and other side modes? Sure. But I would probably play those side modes only a little bit and then come back and play the main mode 99% of time anyway. Its also a lot more fast paced then mario power tennis which is why I prefer it. And its also super fun playing doubles with friends. Singleplayer content no matter how good can only last so long but good multiplayer keeps you coming back. So in terms of gameplay and multiplayer this one is still best in the series for me despite its other shortcomings. And I play these types of games mainly for multiplayer anyway.
Mario Golf World Tour is an absolute masterpiece compared to most Mario sports games of the past decade. Sure there’s paid-DLC, but the price-content ratio helps its case. Plus you had some offline unlockable. It is true that some of the stuff is no longer obtainable or playable but playing with the Mii was the least of my concerns. That said, each terrain looked exceptional for a game on the 3DS, new animations are used, challenges are included… and it is a game I still love to play just to “relax”. Heck, you even have a glossary for all golf terms, lot of options for the camera and see where the ball could land… and most importantly… Each hole was its own thing and you could remember them! Take that, Mario Golf Super Rush! Sure some DLCs were remasters of N64 terrains or reskins even… but they did look good, Koopa Park looking phenomenal with that sunset presentation. It’s as if this game had a soul or something. And yes, I didn’t replay much of Mario Tennis Aces a few weeks post-launch.
I will say as much as Aces lacked, it still had the makings of a good game. A stacked roster and gameplay that had the most mechanical depth in the series do make it stand out among the other entries. While the courts are on the bland side compared to Power Tennis, they are still somewhat unique and are a major step up from Ultra Smash. Aces unfortunately served as the beginning of Nintendo's "free update" strategy, which effectively kills their games on arrival. Aces did have a decent foundation and built up to be a better game that found redemption in the eyes of some, but the new Golf and Strikers entries weren't so lucky, as people immediately felt like the games were undercooked upon release. Free updates make the games better, yes, but they should already feel finished to begin with. Now those games have lost their relevancy. What happened to "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."?
Mario Tennis Aces is my definiton of a "eh" game, the kinda game you buy marked down or used because its not worth what the developer is asking for it, but can be a good time.its the kind of game im only ever putting in my console when me and some friends have already gotten done with smash and mario party for the night
Good video. Aces is a really divisive game indeed. Nintendo and Camelot have no excuses for why Aces was so barren of content at launch (arguably even now), considering Ultra Smash was basically a fully-functional tech demo which Aces simply builds upon (Aces uses Ultra Smash's assets and engine). As much as I love the game, it's hard to recommend it to anyone at a casual level. If you're the kind of person who'll spend hours playing online or with friends, then it's one of the most fun Switch games period. Power Tennis has more personality and is probably the better casual experience but Aces has it beat when it comes to gameplay IMO.
The fact that Battle League right now is comparable to THIS, and even LESS... Absolutely disappointing. Not only was this a very low bar, but they sunk lower.
Nintendo then: Sorry for overcharging you here’s some free games Nintendo now: We’re missing an opening cutscene. Oh well, we can just add it next year
It's sad that the only people who actually reviews nintendo games properly are Demeech, Uncle AI, and Arlo. You are the only people who actually are honest and really go in depth about what you like and what you don't like, it's truly a blessing seeing you pull out a fury and absolutely destroy those shills and proving them wrong.
I think it's really exaggerated to say they are the only ones to do that, regular website reviews are not super trust worthy but when it comes to RUclips channels? there are plenty of channels that go in deptht about the games saying what's right and wrong about them. You can see the 10 million videos critizicing the recent Pokémon games as a proof. And I don't think Al does all that long or in depht reviews.
@@oscarzxn4067 Well yeah uncle ai doesn't really go in depth, but he's one of the only youtubers that knows about what the problem is with modern nintendo games with their fix it later approach. And btw I don't quite literally mean that, I know there's millions of people who go in depth with their reviews, but they are the main ones I can think of.
To be fair, while it's neat that those RUclipsrs aren't afraid to criticize Nintendo, even a review that's more positive/less cynical (not to say that negativity and cynicism are unwarranted) can still be "proper".
12:40 you can actually play all the minigames offline. They're in the "swing mode menu". My opinion on the game: I really like it. I think the adventure mode is fun, i like the minigames, the normal gameplay is the best in the series and the online is also great(the low ranks usually have less people, but on higher ranks you can find opponents easily). The only problems i have with are that the adventure mode really short, that the costumes are all(besides lucien mario, overrals mario(if you had played the online testing beta) and purple yoshi) available only on online, the adventure mode, the opening and the stage select being only added in updates
Oh yeah you played in swing mode. Magolor I hate the game but if you like the game it’s fine. You can have opinions why can we respect peoples opinions these days god I hate someone gets mad when I have different opinion
@@magolor-3100 sorry I meant to say I respect your opinion I didn’t said you got mad at anyone I was saying now days people get mad because someone has different opinion sorry if you got confused
16:11 I'm gonna be honest, I genuinely burst out laughing when I saw that. The way that they're trying to create a sombre atmosphere with Mario's grim expression before the sudden "Luigi!" had me absolutely rolling.
Remember, free content updates only keep people coming back if the game was actually good when it launched. First impressions matter a whole awful lot in gaming, that's why cyberpunk 2077 will always be a horrible buggy mess in the minds of the public no matter how much fixing cd project red does. "Actually good" means that it was satisfying and generally felt like a good deal with only the launch content. Basically, it only works if the free updates are the cherry on top of an already good cake.
Miyamoto before: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." Miyamoto today: "Game Good, Rush Now!" Joke's aside, Miyamoto quote is misattributed to him. When trying to find the source, it may have been from Jason Schreiber, from GT Interactive.
@@EnigmaBarry btw miyamoto has not worked on a nintendo game for the switch for a long time because he's really busy with the mario movie and super nintendo land, so maybe that could be why.
@@kfcnyancat Did people actually come back to no mans sky after it got better? I know there isn't really a good way to know, but just because it "got good" doesn't mean people actually came back to play it. Also, no mans sky might have just gotten extraordinarily lucky to pull it off(namely it's updates where publicized widely enough for people to actually notice the updates)
@@kfcnyancat So I guess, it is possible for free content updates to work if your game isn't good, but the problem is that it almost entirely depends on the notoriously fickle process of people noticing and widely talking about your updates so a wide audience can even know your updates exist. But, the only way for people to notice your updates that you have any real control over is if a large number of your players are still playing your game by the time the updates come out, which given they weren't in the base game(and therefore likely had basically no development at launch), will take months, which is probably plenty of time for people to have beaten your game many times over. Thus, we have a paradox. Namely, the updates that are theoretically supposed to bring people back(by increasing the replay value) rely on a high replay value to begin with to get people to notice them, or a game so stupidly long or grindy it takes months to beat(so basically a multiplayer looter shooter or mmorpg) while still having enough good stuff to keep interest for a long time.
I like how honest Demeech is willing to be with his reviews. Even if it kills him, he’s willing to point out all the problems a Nintendo Game has, even though it has a huge following. There’s one problem though. Demeech’s Maximum Fury scares me.
Dimitri- thanks for the informative Video. My pal Jason and I watched together, and we were so surprised to discover the quality of this game. The graphics and animations are quite good, and we enjoyed the minimalist UI design! The character roster is stellar, and the gameplay far deeper and more nuanced than either of us expected. We went from this game not being on our radars at all, to seriously considering picking it up, all thanks to you! Thanks ‘meech!
That's actually really great to hear. I remember seeing a comment on another video that was kinda the opposite of this. They watched Dunkey's review of Splatoon 2, and then didn't buy the game because Dunkey said it was bad. Then that person bought the game three years later and absolutely loved it, and regretted not buying it earlier because of one single video they watched. Just goes to show that everyone has different opinions on games.
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Awesome video as always Demeech. I’m glad that you didn’t hold anything back about this game, Nintendo needs to know that these things are issues, and having a terrible UI and being unfinished (sorry for using the no-no word) are extremely bad things to have in your full price $60 game.
A two year old update: I've been re-watching some of your old videos, and looking at my prior comment, I might've been a bit harsh on this game. While I still agree with the video and think Aces was an incomplete game. Grump. I was very scathing with some of my criticisms towards this game, calling this game in some ways lazier than Ultra Smash, and saying 3D All-Stars had more effort put into it. I definitely disagree with that take now. Aces does deserve criticism for the lack of content, the awful user-interface, nothing really to unlock, and free update approach. However, it's a masterpiece when compared to Super Rush and Battle League. And there was a huge amount of effort put into making this game, especially with the gameplay and mechanics, making this game feel like a fighting game. It also has one of the best and most varied rosters of any Mario spin-off. I wish Nintendo would rekindle their love for Spike. :( They really evolved Mario Tennis with Aces. And while I despise the free update approach, at least here, Nintendo actually supported the game for over a year rather than dropping three small updates and abandoning ship, or putting recycled Golf in Nintendo Switch Sports seven months later. This game received a ton of support. If there was one aspect of this game I was very critical of, it was the random difficulty spikes that happened during the adventure mode. That honestly infuriated me the most because it felt like this game wasn't play tested before release. And that's something I take issue with in all three of the Mario Sports games on Switch. Why did they have these out of nowhere difficulty spikes? There were so many times I felt like rage-quitting because of this. I don't think I agree with the ranking of complete dumpster fire anymore. Putting aside my issues with the lack of content at launch and freak difficulty spikes, I can call Aces a decent game.
I agree with many of the points of the video, but I think it isn't fault of Camelot but of Nintendo's, since the Wii U/3DS era Mario Spin offs in general started to look more "safe", not risking too much and basically just have enough stuff to be "serviceable", this highly shows up in the UI of most of recent Mario spin offs, the lack of the quirkiness old spin offs had, even the gameplay can be very simplified, and if this issue happens with every spin off game despite all of them being made by different developers, it must be Nintendo's fault, which is a true shame honestly...
I agree on most things, despite never playing the game, but the mario 64 sfx is not laziness. Rather, it's appealing to nostalgia in an unexpected way. I totally agree that they went way too overboard with the sound reuse in other areas though. It's disgraceful.
You're being overly nitpicky about Aces here. Don't get me wrong, the game has plenty of flaws, but you are blowing a lot of them way out of proportion. The UI is fine in terms of presentation. The game is meant to feel like your typical sports broadcast, which it succeeds in for the most part. The menus definitely needed more work, for sure, but they look fine for the most part. The story mode was definitely lacking. It needed more cutscenes and a more gradual difficulty curve. The costume rotation being a month is absolutely asinine, as is the minigames being locked behind the motion controls. While I don't mind the motion controls, you need to be given the option to play with the controls that you want to play with. You said yourself that the core gameplay is outstanding. The problem is that you're letting things like the UI, lack of modes at launch, meh story mode, and reused audio clips annoy you way more than they should. The gameplay is by far the most important part of a game. It doesn't matter how many modes you have or how good your menus look, if the gameplay is bad, the game is bad. While Aces has plenty of flaws and needed more content at launch, at the core it is still a good game. It could have been great if it had more modes at launch and a better story mode, but Aces is still a good game as is. Still not worth a full $60, though.
I was not expecting “Demeech’s Fury Deluxe” and “Demeech’s MAXIMUM Fury”. Great video, my favourite part was when Robo-Demeech went on a robotic rampage!
Funfact; the Game also has a lot of grammar mistakes in the German version. It even labels a Koopa ( I think I never played the game I only watched gameplays ) as a Gumba or something. Also most of these mistakes are really embarrassing lmfao
Honestly, the fact that the game is a disappointment isn't as big of a problem as the fact that Nintendo games almost NEVER fall down in price. The fact that Kirby Star Allies can still be found at 60$ or near that price, same as the latest Kirby game is pretty insane to me. Nintendo did put out other meh games with the Switch as well, and those games would be alright as Nintendo Selects for 20$. But 60$ is insane and even 40$ would be pushing it for some of these games. Look at 1-2 Switch. Does anyone even buy that anymore? People complained about the 70$ price tag for games that companies like Sony are pushing, as people should do because it's an anti consumer move, but at least these will still fall down in price. I already see PS5 games with reduced prices for example. But a game such as BOTW, a Switch launch title, is still full price or near that. It launched 5 years ago. And people defend it. Couple that with the absence of the Selects line and... It's just insane. I don't know what else to say, really. I also think that Nintendo porting old ports to Switch is a great thing, even if they were a bit too over-reliant on them, but 60$ is not good for these as well. As far as I know in the past when Nintendo ported some GC games to the Wii, those ports weren't fully priced and eventually some also became part of the Selects line. The Nintendo of nowadays will probably never do that. Maybe they will and I'll be proven wrong. Hopefully. But I doubt it.
I still remember when I got this game at launch and to be honest even though I had some fun with it at first, it was really disappointing. At the time I only thought maybe this is just one bad game from Nintendo but then we got super rush and the NSO and we all know how that turned out. I’m really hoping Mario Strikers Battle League is good because next level games is working on it but idk you can’t really trust modern Nintendo anymore…
@@maplemiles3381 i dont think thats the reason he said it and even though i wouldnt call modern nintendo bad they still have bad things like 60 dollar ports and games that never go on sale or reduce their prices as time goes
I wouldn't say modern Nintendo is bad. The company that is bad in these Modern times is SEGA since they haven't done a decent Sonic game since Generations.
@@Amexy-mr6lw Yea that's why I don't include Mania but that's also the 2D side of stuff and not 3D which SEGA are somehow bad at. At least with Nintendo they can produce something decent in 3D...apart from Mario Tennis games and Golf recently. Wonder how they'll mess up sluggers next if we get another one.
Camelot didn't learn from their mistakes either and screwed up on Mario Golf Super Rush. I've just decided to avoid modern Camelot games like the plague. The point about the guy defending the game is also true with any lazily put together Nintendo game. I dislike seeing how people just excuse the laziness of Nintendo. It's strange seeing this company mess up so badly after being amazing for decades now.
I didn't get the game day 1, so no opening and no stage select are things I wasn't even aware of. (If I were, I would've honestly not gotten the game at all; you don't just leave out a stage select in ANY competitive game) My biggest gripe is by far with the unlockables. I got the Online, so I got the characters over time, but seeing them in story mode before they launched was the same kind of annoying tease as Fire Emblem Warriors locking Oboro, Navarre, and Niles behind DLC despite them being in the story mode that was in the game since launch. However what REALLY got on my nerves were the online challenges being the only way to get costumes, as well as the inability to play local tournaments with a second player (something I downright asked for after Power Tennis). I never touched a single offline tournament as a result, but I suspected it'd be pointless anyways since we didn't get characters from them like we used to in older Mario sports titles like Mario Sports Mix, though I didn't expect it to be SO pointless we didn't even get COSTUMES from them. Speaking of costumes, as much as I love the yellow Yoshi, I was FUMING when I realized it was locked behind online challenges. Even Open Tennis was just a free QR code. And just my luck, not only is it the hardest tier of the three to get out of ITS monthly lineup, but the first time I got the challenge for the Yoshi colors, it was the OTHER set of them as unlockables. Also you know how Mario gets his overalls back when you finish story mode? Well for some reason, that's a Mario exclusive thing. Why can't we have Luigi's overalls? Wario's? Waluigi's? Shorts and short dresses as alternates for the princesses? Heck, the different Koopa and Paratroopa colors are also unused afaik, even though Shy Guy gets colors, and I think even Boo has alternates (though I don't remember what they are). Throw in the Miis and you could do even more. Not only that, but one thing I noticed with the Yoshis is that their logos, emblems, and rackets don't change colors to match their new ones. Either they're implying it's all the same one Yoshi (which, considering that one special move in Power Tennis, is possible), or they got too lazy to even recolor those. Between that and the basic game mode just feeling samey, even though we're constantly together, I still try to convince sis that it's too boring of a game to go back to, and really only do so because it's somehow still one of the few games that understood that, yea, Yoshi has different colors. For context, I beat the story too, and it was not worth it. As cool as having Mario in his traditional overalls is, I feel like you should AT LEAST ALSO unlock the Lucien versions of Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi. (And also, y'know, NOT tease characters that are supposed to be DLC. DLC keeps people coming if they're a surprise because there's always a chance they'll like it, whereas exposing them in the story just tells people "yea, those are the guys you'll get later", which is NOT a good PR move since it basically admits to the game not being finished enough for them to be playable even though they look perfectly fine in the story)
I've never played Mario Tennis Aces, and I never plan to, but tbh for the amount of anger you have for it, the game doesn't even sound that bad. Just sounds like it's pretty light on offline content, and that the cosmetics are tedious to unlock. Like, fair enough, it sounds like it isn't exactly a $60 experience, but as you said in the review, the core game is fun. Just the offline content is barren.
See, the switch era is the one that made me an huge Nintendo fan, there have been lots of good games, even too much good sometimes, but for every super Mario Odyssey you get a Mario tennis aces, for every Splatoon 2 we get an Arms, for every Kirby and the forgotten land we get a Nintendo Switch sports, for every breath of the wild you get a Mario Golf Super Rushed, for every Smash bros ultimate, you get a Kirby star allies (not a bad game at all, but still a bit disappointing)
I think it's interesting to compare your viewings of this game with GVG's Jon Cartwright, who loves the game and has played it for over 100 hours and many of it's friends too, because of the gameplay and online experience, but seems you don't seem to care about that, especially for a quick review, that appeal doesn't exist since you are going for the single player modes. Thing is that I wonder how do you see the other Martio Tennis games like 64 or Power, since while at least the latter does have more single player meat than Aces and more polish in some areas, they definitely can't last a whole lot of time, since unless thay have and RPG mode Tennis isnt' really the most varied sport out there, and they shine more in multi player too.
Kirby Star Allies was mostly missing the Extra Mode, it wasn't great, but the game wasn't really missing anything too major for the game. The game started to fix issues with the game after launch, as well as fixing a bit the content problem with all the free new characters and their own modified versions of Guest Hero. Kirby Star Allies' case is definitely debatable depending how important the Extra Mode was for the overall experience, but everything else the game technically needed was already at launch. In the other hand, Mario Tennis Aces is a game that I have no doubt it was launch unfinish, it was not only missing a challenge mode; as you said, it was also missing parts of the story mode and the UI wasn't working correctly... how is this game missing select options? (KSA could have many issues, but UI never was one).
I’ve said this plenty of times before and I’ll reiterate it once again; these so-called “free content updates” and patches in all Switch games (and games in general) are all for nothing once the console servers inevitably shut down, sans physical copies of re-released Definitive Editions which are seldom seen apart from exceptionally well-selling titles.
As much as I love the gameplay of Aces, you make some great points on why this game’s U.I. and presentation in this game is very badly designed. I remember I too was stuck on the Kamek rally in Adventure mode and there was no retry option. Instead, you had to go through a bunch of dialogue with Kamek in order to try again. I did manage to beat it and I didn’t feel satisfied at all. But hey, a retry option was added to the game, but only a few months later when I already finished it. WHAT THE HECK NINTENDO?! Also, my big problem with this game is in free play. Everything when deciding a match is done at the start (picking singles/doubles, and choosing a court (with hazards or no hazards)). Nintendo did fix it months later with a stage select screen, but the people who made this game should have thought that this isn’t very good, but no. Now, that you cover this game, what is your opinion on Mario Golf: Super Rush? I think that game is a lot more fun than Aces, and I feel it has a much better U.I. than that game as well.
@@Demeech the switch as a console is revolutionary for the fact that it’s a handheld and a home console in one, but this era has shown Nintendo at their most anti consumer. In terms of games this gen, your either getting something great with passion and effort put into it like Odyssey, BOTW, Luigi’s Mansion 3, Dread, Mario Party Superstars and Kirby and the forgotten land, or your getting something clearly rushed for the sake of laziness like Super Rushed, Star Allies, Pokémon Sword and Shield, and of course, tennis aces.
I think it's fair to point out the NSO wasn't a thing yet at the time of Tennis Aces' release. The paywall stuff was unintentional and (possibly?) an unfortunate side-effect of something that came later. Feel free to dispute my claim. I don't have the full picture there admittedly. But if it's true, that means it's a side-effect, the title "How Mario Tennis Aces Showcases EVERYTHING WRONG With Modern Gaming And Nintendo" would imply that all the companies do it on accident. When they don't. And they shouldn't.
The thing is, NSO was supposed to launch in late 2017 but Nintendo extended the free period by nearly a year because, believe it or not, they said they wanted to improve the quality of the online itself before launch. So basically Nintendo either always planned to lock content behind a paywall or they were too lazy to patch an alternate way to unlock said content for people without NSO.
I never even considered getting this game. I played the switch online game trial, and I'm glad I skipped out. I'm nervous for mario strikers battle league. If that game sucks, mario sports is over with. Edit: this series is done for. Thanks Nintendo for running mario sports.
I never relise how much Nintendo sucked in 2018 maybe is't because i was super hyped for smash ultimate that i never relise how much rushed Nintendo games in 2018 were
10:50 I might be incorrect on this but, didn't NSO release at least a week after Aces launched (meaning the first week [maybe first month] of Aces' online was free)
I've been waiting for a video like this for a long time. Glad to see someone is finally gonna step up and talk about the (what else can I call it) "Modern Nintendo Syndrome" I just hope they finally learn their lesson and stop releasing unfinished games. I'm excited for Mario Strikers: Battle League and I don't want the phrase "Free updates will be added" to ruin that
@@Chocolatemilkdrinkerhi OH GOD NO. All we need at this point would be for Nintendo to put microtransactions in their games and the holy trinity is complete: 1. Launching games unfinished 2. Re-releasing old games at $60 3. Having microtransactions in their games
So....you bought Aces because of a Story mode? That seems like dumb move in your part tho, expecting a mode to the GB games even tho their stories are really simple and the main goal being "Become a Pro and beat Mario". I can at least give Aces Adventure mode some credit on learning the mechanics a bit faster. About the whole Camelot reusing sfx and voice lines, they've done since Mario Golf with reusing Hot Shots Golf 1 sfx (they did develop the 1st HSG/EG game).
@@eatfrishkirby6191 Yeah, but they're really simple like example: Superstar Baseball/Sluggers - Beat Bowser Golf/Tennis GB and Andvance Tour/Power - Become the top player in fhe land and then face the Mario characters in a harder tournament. Hoops 3 on 3: Just a tournament but your trophy gets stolen by FF characters and play them in a final. Sports Mix: Same as 3 on 3 but you get an actual boss fight at the end. Strikers: Just a tournament but you face Bowser's Super Team and then that team gets demoted to Janitor duty in Charged.
Golf Super Rush- Same as Golf GB but is in the Mario universe now. The difference is that you're trying to progress on your Pro journey but some of the courses are having unusual weather conditions and you go and fix the problems.
3:18 Thankfully the roster of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was fixed in the DLC to actually have the important Mario characters, such as Birdo, Wiggler, and Petey Piranha. But at the time we didn't know that so it was the worst Mario Kart roster being padded with filler characters instead of filled in with the good ones.
CTR Nitro Fueled isn't really a good example of how to do unlocks when the only reason the rotating store exists is to generate a sense of FOMO in people and make them more likely to pay for the unlocks with microtransactions.
"The game dosn't even aknowledge you beat a tournament, not even an indicator" Wrong. You gain a star at the character selection once you beat the tournament with your character. Yeah, took me months to realize.
When I see these series of games, I always compare within any combination. With that in mind, Aces is my third favorite in the series. And this review shows how low the bar is set when it comes to how close the best is.
It’s a fun game imo, but yeah, it feels like everyone’s praising it only because it’s better than Ultra Smash. Like, guys, come on, that’s not a high bar.
Hey so I don't mean to criticize your video too much (since I thought it was a good video) but when it goes to the segments to "Demeech's Fury" could you lower the music and sound effects? The sound effects that you used at points were too loud that it began to be difficult to hear what you were saying. Especially at 10:53 where you ended up sounded very muffled and it felt like the sound effect used was attempting to overshadow your voice.
Mario Strikers Battle League is in the capable hands of Next Level Games. Even if it's not as good as the previous games, it's bound to be leagues better than Mario Tennis Aces, no pun intended.
Referring to the end. I wish I could buy Banjokazooie along with all the rest of the retro games instead of rent them. Or even better, let us transfer our gsmes over from wii u like x box lets you do with their older consoles. NSO is the biggest load of garbage in gaming and I don’t see how anyone actively defends it except through buyers remorse
I actually really liked this game. I’d say that the idea of free updates suck, but I still think that this game is fun. It has a great story mode and overall great gameplay
They really need to bring back the Nintendo Selects line, games like this should really be around a third of their original prices after this many years.
but it's not a "Best seller"
The Nintendo Selects line meant I could include Luigi's Mansion 2 on my 2017 Christmas list!
@@wohao_gaster7434 Yoshi's New Island was a Nintendo Selects game and I knew nobody who played that game
@@PipeGuy64Bit until now(i still haven't been bothered to beat it tbh)
@@wohao_gaster7434 From what I heard and seen of the game, not finishing it is understandable. I refuse to believe that game sold well and I swear Nintendo only price dropped it in order to sell whatever they had already produced.
Honestly, that's a really bad definition of what "unfinished" means. By that logic, ET for the Atari is a finished game, since it is technically functional. But I doubt anyone will be willing to argue that ET was a finished, as-intended experience, because it pretty obviously was not. Lowering the standards of a "finished" game to one that is, on a basic level, functional is not the direction critics should be heading down. Just another way to play softball with Nintendo.
"It's not unfinished, it's just missing features that games have had for the last thirty years!"
No. It's unfinished. It is unacceptable, Nintendo should be ashamed, and we should shame them for allowing this dribble on store shelves.
The guy who originally said that is legitimately one of the biggest Nintendo shills I've ever seen. E.T doesn't have shills like Nintendo does.
@@jaxsterminator8634 Cant tell if ironic or just stupid
@@Demeech I'm guessing he was that annoying guy you mentioned earlier. Or was that someone else?
I feel that there’s no need to worry about Mario Strikers Battle League, considering it isn’t Camelot, it’s Next Level Games. Next Level Games has an extremely good track record and their previous projects have been great. But unfortunately if your suspicions end up being true, I’m still gonna bite the bullet as the last game came out 15 years ago, and I’ve been waiting nearly my entire life for a new one. So hopefully Nintendo doesn’t take advantage of that. I have high hopes for the game, and I think we’ll see a lot more next month in terms of characters, stages, and modes.
Yeah, same. The fact that Next Level Games is making this one again, instead of Camelot, should be enough to be at least cautiously optimistic.
Next level games made the of strikers and the Luigi mansion sequels right? I think battle league characters.
Edit: I don’t even know what I was trying to say tf
Camalot also use to have a good track record, I wouldn’t be optimistic considering this is modern nintendo we are talking about where they cut corners with there games and fixes them later and they just don’t care about Quality any more.
@@smashbattle6969 I mean, Luigi's Mansion 3 is still good, and not something I would call rushed, and that is a modern Next Level Games title that came out _later_ than Mario Tennis Aces. I don't think we should assume the absolute worst _just_ because Nintendo is the publisher, and just keep focusing on the developers instead.
@@ArendAlphaEagle yeah
There is some validity to the "unfinished" definition nitpick, in that "unfinished" implies that there was an intention for there to be more to the game. That's arguably the biggest matter with Aces; it likely isn't a case of trying and failing, but rather of never making the attempt at all. From appearances, Aces was never designed to be more than a lower-effort lower-content title that would still be sold at a premium price, which apparently both Camelot and Nintendo were perfectly fine with. Which is a pretty bad warning sign not just for future Camelot titles, but Nintendo titles in general.
I actually got Mario Tennis for the 3DS recently and I was surprised at how good it was! It has that classic Mario charm you'd come to expect and plenty if content! It even has free online! Mario Golf on 3DS was even better and I highly advise picking that game up and its DLC before the eShop closes in a few more months!
Mario Tennis Open is alright. Not a fan of the chance shots. But Mario Golf: World Tour is INCREDIBLE
@@Demeech It's a shame that the DLC will be gone forever soon though... I'm glad I have it though!
@@Demeech Yeah, that can be a game breaker for many, but they are okay personally. They side games, unlockables, and personality make up for that kinda. It would have been neat also if there was a story mode like in the original, but at least the developers didn't bite off more than what they could chew.
@@nickk3077 unless somebody moded the hardware
@@nickk3077 FBI and CIA files ;)
It’s a shame to see how Mario sports fell off so hard
I'm hoping Strikers is good
@@Demeech you know it's bad if they call Servers "Clubs"
Guessing that means Peer to Peer is here to stay
@@wohao_gaster7434 I think they mean “Clubs” like teams. Like, you can make a club with your friends and challenge other clubs like real life football. Those are what clubs are, not online servers or 1v1 normal online matches
@@mikuaua The call it "Online Club Mode" but it just looks like server
@@jaxsterminator8634 not from what I’ve heard...
Scott The Woz: Just because a game doesn't inheritly have terrible level design or any major bugs or glitches, that doesn't mean it's fine, it means it works. Just because a game works doesn't make it good.
Just because a game works doesn’t mean it’s good? I mean come the fuck on Mario tennis aces is fun but if you want a game that shouldn’t be good but is good is bravely second end layer
Which Scott The Woz Video
@@thebenwilbertdark age of Nintendo: chibi robo zip lash
Mario tennis aces BLOWS! *throws box in toilet*
Mario Power Tennis is the best and can never be beat. That Opening feels like a Oscar Worthy short film. They even have the balls to add bloopers to it. You can tell they were having a blast making that game.
It is utterly depressing how far Nintendo has fallen from grace. For the past decade, my Wii U and Switch have seen more use than my PS4 and Xbox One combined because Nintendo's exclusives were exactly what I wanted from video games: no microtransaction/loot box/pay to win nonsense, being complete at launch (in terms of both polish and content), and most important of all, having the budget spent on making the gameplay as engaging, exciting, and possibly even innovative as possible, rather than just blowing money on celebrity talent or the most trendy licensed music. In my honest opinion, Nintendo should have been firing on all cylinders for the entirety of the Switch era, not only giving us consistently amazing installments in nearly every one of their major franchises, but also giving us an enormous library of retro games from all of their legacy systems (including the Virtual Boy) at a steady pace, where we would have access to each title with a subscription OR be able to buy individual titles in a Virtual Console-like fashion. And, of course, having online that actually works.
The Switch had the potential to be absolutely LEGENDARY, and I think if Nintendo hadn't sat on their laurels and instead given us exactly what I just described, it would've not only hit the 100 million mark much sooner, but it might've even surpassed the mighty PS2 as the best selling console of all time. Mind you, the Switch itself is still far from bad or even mediocre, but I feel like it's an unfortunate case of wasted opportunities. Let's hope the Switch's inevitable successor listens to the actual feedback of diehard fans, rather than sample the 90% of the install base that doesn't know anything about video games, to improve itself and unleash that potential.
UPDATE: In retrospect, I feel like I had overexaggerated a bit with saying Nintendo "fell from grace" during the Switch era, especially with the games. Like Youngsta Joey and several others pointed out, there have been far more hits than misses in the Switch era, with most of these games being spectacular and pushing their respective series forward. I still stand by my points regarding legacy content and the online service, though, and I would also add Nintendo's atrocious habit of taking down romsites hosting their games and people uploading their music on RUclips and then having a Direct or some other big announcement to make everyone forget about what they did. You know, instead of actually providing easy and legal ways for people to experience their old games and music, which would literally be the easiest money they could possibly make.
Nintendo getting too cocky right now with the switch recently. It definitely will affect their next hardware soon just like Sony with their ps5
honestly....they haven't fully fallen from grace but they've had some mistakes in this era, also I think the Switch could still possibly outsell the PS2.
@@Jdudec367 Maybe not because the ps2 was a revolution console but the switch is just a hybrid machine with limited hardware numbers during the pandemic
@@therealjaystone2344 Eh....the Switch wasn't the first hybrid system but it's still revolutionary. A big reason the PS2 sold so well wasn't even the games...but because it's a DVD player. The Switch sold very well even before the pandemic.
You're exaggerating a bit there bud. They've made big mistakes with the switch, but to say they've "fallen from grace" because you're butthurt they don't take every suggestion you have is ridiculous. As the other guy said, they've actually gone up in terms of quality. We're getting definitive releases in many of their franchises, hitting new peaks. Smash ultimate, botw, mario odyssey, forgotton land, legends arceus, three houses, luigis mansion 3, splatoon 2, xenoblade 2...it goes on. We have unique hardware that isn't relying on some gimmick like motion controls or 3d, but an actual innovative feature. We have gotten few droughts like we did with the Wii U. If anything, most years have been packed with big releases, like 2017, 2019, 2021, and now 2022. Not discounting anything you said, those are valid criticisms. But to use those to paint the whole switch era as a fall from grace is stretching.
Waluigi: They rush games funny
Shills: *OH SHUT UP*
*LUIGI!*
@@Demeech im still geniunely surprised that voice clip actually made it into a 60$ 2018 nintendo game.
@@realthemariogamer And completely out of context too
@@SoshiTheYoshi yeah
@@Demeech I HATE FANBOYS SOO MUCH >:(
First of all, I'm a diehard Mario Tennis Aces fan. I've adored this game since it came out, and I've loved the free updates. That said, I can totally understand people's frustration with the amount of content being dished out for a $60 game that isn't even technically complete. For me, I had zero problems with it. Even if this game got zero updates, no single player content, and no mini-games whatsoever, I STILL would have loved it. It's a competitive 1-on-1 multiplayer game. That is already a pretty niche market mostly dominated by fighting games. The fact that it is a tennis game makes it an even more niche market. For the sake of sales, Nintendo had to give this game more content, but the game ultimately doesn't need any of it. The gameplay is INCREDIBLE. The visuals are gorgeous. The adrenaline rush this game gives me is rivaled only by a handful of other competitive games. Why should I care if there's a few more extra characters that I'll never play as coming or a single player mode that I'll spend no more than three hours on when I can sink hundreds of hours into a stellar multiplayer experience? That's just my take. Mario Tennis Aces didn't do enough for the casual market, but for the competitive audience, this game was exactly what it needed to be day one.
Same here. Not a "diehard fan" but I actually play this game online pretty regularly and I still think it has best gameplay from the series even though it lacks other content. I love how it basically brought back all the gameplay features from previous games and made them more balanced/skill based. For example power shots from power tennis are basically special shots now but they actually do feel more powerful and satisfying. Defensive power shots are basically trick shots now. Chance shots are fully charged shots now so theyre more skill based rather than being random/luck based. Ultra smash where character would jump and deliver powerful shot is now a zone shot where you can also aim but now requires energy so you cant spam it all the time like in ultra smash making it more balanced rather than being too op. Would I prefered if this game had more themed courts and other side modes? Sure. But I would probably play those side modes only a little bit and then come back and play the main mode 99% of time anyway. Its also a lot more fast paced then mario power tennis which is why I prefer it. And its also super fun playing doubles with friends. Singleplayer content no matter how good can only last so long but good multiplayer keeps you coming back. So in terms of gameplay and multiplayer this one is still best in the series for me despite its other shortcomings. And I play these types of games mainly for multiplayer anyway.
Yes, this is legit a fighting game. Excellent gameplay, super addictive and fun
Mario Golf World Tour is an absolute masterpiece compared to most Mario sports games of the past decade. Sure there’s paid-DLC, but the price-content ratio helps its case. Plus you had some offline unlockable. It is true that some of the stuff is no longer obtainable or playable but playing with the Mii was the least of my concerns. That said, each terrain looked exceptional for a game on the 3DS, new animations are used, challenges are included… and it is a game I still love to play just to “relax”. Heck, you even have a glossary for all golf terms, lot of options for the camera and see where the ball could land… and most importantly…
Each hole was its own thing and you could remember them! Take that, Mario Golf Super Rush! Sure some DLCs were remasters of N64 terrains or reskins even… but they did look good, Koopa Park looking phenomenal with that sunset presentation. It’s as if this game had a soul or something.
And yes, I didn’t replay much of Mario Tennis Aces a few weeks post-launch.
I will say as much as Aces lacked, it still had the makings of a good game. A stacked roster and gameplay that had the most mechanical depth in the series do make it stand out among the other entries. While the courts are on the bland side compared to Power Tennis, they are still somewhat unique and are a major step up from Ultra Smash.
Aces unfortunately served as the beginning of Nintendo's "free update" strategy, which effectively kills their games on arrival. Aces did have a decent foundation and built up to be a better game that found redemption in the eyes of some, but the new Golf and Strikers entries weren't so lucky, as people immediately felt like the games were undercooked upon release. Free updates make the games better, yes, but they should already feel finished to begin with. Now those games have lost their relevancy. What happened to "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."?
Mario Tennis Aces is my definiton of a "eh" game, the kinda game you buy marked down or used because its not worth what the developer is asking for it, but can be a good time.its the kind of game im only ever putting in my console when me and some friends have already gotten done with smash and mario party for the night
if I'm done with smash and mario party I would boot up, idk, mario kart or something. The thought of playing tennis aces wouldn't even cross my mind!
Good video. Aces is a really divisive game indeed. Nintendo and Camelot have no excuses for why Aces was so barren of content at launch (arguably even now), considering Ultra Smash was basically a fully-functional tech demo which Aces simply builds upon (Aces uses Ultra Smash's assets and engine). As much as I love the game, it's hard to recommend it to anyone at a casual level. If you're the kind of person who'll spend hours playing online or with friends, then it's one of the most fun Switch games period. Power Tennis has more personality and is probably the better casual experience but Aces has it beat when it comes to gameplay IMO.
Didn't realize people had this many problems with aces. I pretty much only played multiplayer and it was really fun
The fact that Battle League right now is comparable to THIS, and even LESS... Absolutely disappointing. Not only was this a very low bar, but they sunk lower.
Mario’s lips didn’t even move when he said Luigi at 16:12
This is why I never buy Nintendo games at launch, especially the sport titles.
Nintendo then: Sorry for overcharging you here’s some free games
Nintendo now: We’re missing an opening cutscene. Oh well, we can just add it next year
I remember that! I'm glad the 3DS was able to recover.
@@jimmyrobertson9118 You're right! They'll add it a month later instead
Nintendo on Wii U/3DS era vs Nintendo on Switch era
@@jimmyrobertson9118 why are you defending a shit company?
It's sad that the only people who actually reviews nintendo games properly are Demeech, Uncle AI, and Arlo. You are the only people who actually are honest and really go in depth about what you like and what you don't like, it's truly a blessing seeing you pull out a fury and absolutely destroy those shills and proving them wrong.
I think it's really exaggerated to say they are the only ones to do that, regular website reviews are not super trust worthy but when it comes to RUclips channels? there are plenty of channels that go in deptht about the games saying what's right and wrong about them. You can see the 10 million videos critizicing the recent Pokémon games as a proof. And I don't think Al does all that long or in depht reviews.
@@oscarzxn4067 Well yeah uncle ai doesn't really go in depth, but he's one of the only youtubers that knows about what the problem is with modern nintendo games with their fix it later approach. And btw I don't quite literally mean that, I know there's millions of people who go in depth with their reviews, but they are the main ones I can think of.
To be fair, while it's neat that those RUclipsrs aren't afraid to criticize Nintendo, even a review that's more positive/less cynical (not to say that negativity and cynicism are unwarranted) can still be "proper".
@@enclosedgranddad1715 Yeah true, but still, some of them these days just come off as biased and way too defensive of criticism.
12:40 you can actually play all the minigames offline. They're in the "swing mode menu".
My opinion on the game:
I really like it. I think the adventure mode is fun, i like the minigames, the normal gameplay is the best in the series and the online is also great(the low ranks usually have less people, but on higher ranks you can find opponents easily). The only problems i have with are that the adventure mode really short, that the costumes are all(besides lucien mario, overrals mario(if you had played the online testing beta) and purple yoshi) available only on online, the adventure mode, the opening and the stage select being only added in updates
Oh yeah you played in swing mode. Magolor I hate the game but if you like the game it’s fine. You can have opinions why can we respect peoples opinions these days god I hate someone gets mad when I have different opinion
@@Fatyoshidude476 but i just said my opinion. I didn't get mad at anyone with a different opinion from mine
@@magolor-3100 sorry I meant to say I respect your opinion I didn’t said you got mad at anyone I was saying now days people get mad because someone has different opinion sorry if you got confused
@@Fatyoshidude476 based
16:12 Yeah, that sounds so edited in that I thought it was just edited into videos, not the actual game. 😂
Mario Tennis Aces is Demeech’s equivalent of Scott the Woz and Chibi-Robo: Zip Lash.
I mean after all we didn't see Demeech battle Mario Tennis Aces so I wouldn't say that
16:11 I'm gonna be honest, I genuinely burst out laughing when I saw that. The way that they're trying to create a sombre atmosphere with Mario's grim expression before the sudden "Luigi!" had me absolutely rolling.
Remember, free content updates only keep people coming back if the game was actually good when it launched. First impressions matter a whole awful lot in gaming, that's why cyberpunk 2077 will always be a horrible buggy mess in the minds of the public no matter how much fixing cd project red does. "Actually good" means that it was satisfying and generally felt like a good deal with only the launch content. Basically, it only works if the free updates are the cherry on top of an already good cake.
Miyamoto before: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."
Miyamoto today: "Game Good, Rush Now!"
Joke's aside, Miyamoto quote is misattributed to him. When trying to find the source, it may have been from Jason Schreiber, from GT Interactive.
Eh...No Man's Sky kinda invalidates this argument.
@@EnigmaBarry btw miyamoto has not worked on a nintendo game for the switch for a long time because he's really busy with the mario movie and super nintendo land, so maybe that could be why.
@@kfcnyancat Did people actually come back to no mans sky after it got better? I know there isn't really a good way to know, but just because it "got good" doesn't mean people actually came back to play it. Also, no mans sky might have just gotten extraordinarily lucky to pull it off(namely it's updates where publicized widely enough for people to actually notice the updates)
@@kfcnyancat So I guess, it is possible for free content updates to work if your game isn't good, but the problem is that it almost entirely depends on the notoriously fickle process of people noticing and widely talking about your updates so a wide audience can even know your updates exist. But, the only way for people to notice your updates that you have any real control over is if a large number of your players are still playing your game by the time the updates come out, which given they weren't in the base game(and therefore likely had basically no development at launch), will take months, which is probably plenty of time for people to have beaten your game many times over. Thus, we have a paradox. Namely, the updates that are theoretically supposed to bring people back(by increasing the replay value) rely on a high replay value to begin with to get people to notice them, or a game so stupidly long or grindy it takes months to beat(so basically a multiplayer looter shooter or mmorpg) while still having enough good stuff to keep interest for a long time.
I like how honest Demeech is willing to be with his reviews.
Even if it kills him, he’s willing to point out all the problems a Nintendo Game has, even though it has a huge following.
There’s one problem though. Demeech’s Maximum Fury scares me.
Dimitri- thanks for the informative Video. My pal Jason and I watched together, and we were so surprised to discover the quality of this game. The graphics and animations are quite good, and we enjoyed the minimalist UI design! The character roster is stellar, and the gameplay far deeper and more nuanced than either of us expected. We went from this game not being on our radars at all, to seriously considering picking it up, all thanks to you! Thanks ‘meech!
That's actually really great to hear. I remember seeing a comment on another video that was kinda the opposite of this. They watched Dunkey's review of Splatoon 2, and then didn't buy the game because Dunkey said it was bad. Then that person bought the game three years later and absolutely loved it, and regretted not buying it earlier because of one single video they watched. Just goes to show that everyone has different opinions on games.
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Waluigi: He do be walking funny tho
Wario: Bro, this is a racket
Awesome video as always Demeech. I’m glad that you didn’t hold anything back about this game, Nintendo needs to know that these things are issues, and having a terrible UI and being unfinished (sorry for using the no-no word) are extremely bad things to have in your full price $60 game.
I like how you called the word unfinished the "No-No Word". kind of funny
A two year old update: I've been re-watching some of your old videos, and looking at my prior comment, I might've been a bit harsh on this game.
While I still agree with the video and think Aces was an incomplete game. Grump. I was very scathing with some of my criticisms towards this game, calling this game in some ways lazier than Ultra Smash, and saying 3D All-Stars had more effort put into it. I definitely disagree with that take now.
Aces does deserve criticism for the lack of content, the awful user-interface, nothing really to unlock, and free update approach. However, it's a masterpiece when compared to Super Rush and Battle League. And there was a huge amount of effort put into making this game, especially with the gameplay and mechanics, making this game feel like a fighting game. It also has one of the best and most varied rosters of any Mario spin-off. I wish Nintendo would rekindle their love for Spike. :( They really evolved Mario Tennis with Aces. And while I despise the free update approach, at least here, Nintendo actually supported the game for over a year rather than dropping three small updates and abandoning ship, or putting recycled Golf in Nintendo Switch Sports seven months later. This game received a ton of support.
If there was one aspect of this game I was very critical of, it was the random difficulty spikes that happened during the adventure mode. That honestly infuriated me the most because it felt like this game wasn't play tested before release. And that's something I take issue with in all three of the Mario Sports games on Switch. Why did they have these out of nowhere difficulty spikes? There were so many times I felt like rage-quitting because of this.
I don't think I agree with the ranking of complete dumpster fire anymore. Putting aside my issues with the lack of content at launch and freak difficulty spikes, I can call Aces a decent game.
I agree. Compared to the other sports game on Switch, Aces, I at least had a good time, especially online.
I agree with many of the points of the video, but I think it isn't fault of Camelot but of Nintendo's, since the Wii U/3DS era Mario Spin offs in general started to look more "safe", not risking too much and basically just have enough stuff to be "serviceable", this highly shows up in the UI of most of recent Mario spin offs, the lack of the quirkiness old spin offs had, even the gameplay can be very simplified, and if this issue happens with every spin off game despite all of them being made by different developers, it must be Nintendo's fault, which is a true shame honestly...
I agree on most things, despite never playing the game, but the mario 64 sfx is not laziness. Rather, it's appealing to nostalgia in an unexpected way.
I totally agree that they went way too overboard with the sound reuse in other areas though. It's disgraceful.
You're being overly nitpicky about Aces here. Don't get me wrong, the game has plenty of flaws, but you are blowing a lot of them way out of proportion. The UI is fine in terms of presentation. The game is meant to feel like your typical sports broadcast, which it succeeds in for the most part. The menus definitely needed more work, for sure, but they look fine for the most part. The story mode was definitely lacking. It needed more cutscenes and a more gradual difficulty curve. The costume rotation being a month is absolutely asinine, as is the minigames being locked behind the motion controls. While I don't mind the motion controls, you need to be given the option to play with the controls that you want to play with.
You said yourself that the core gameplay is outstanding. The problem is that you're letting things like the UI, lack of modes at launch, meh story mode, and reused audio clips annoy you way more than they should. The gameplay is by far the most important part of a game. It doesn't matter how many modes you have or how good your menus look, if the gameplay is bad, the game is bad. While Aces has plenty of flaws and needed more content at launch, at the core it is still a good game. It could have been great if it had more modes at launch and a better story mode, but Aces is still a good game as is. Still not worth a full $60, though.
If you’ve played Mario power tennis then it’s hard to settle for this half baked mess.
I was not expecting “Demeech’s Fury Deluxe” and “Demeech’s MAXIMUM Fury”. Great video, my favourite part was when Robo-Demeech went on a robotic rampage!
One of the biggest disappointments to me were the bosses and just how generic they were
Funfact; the Game also has a lot of grammar mistakes in the German version.
It even labels a Koopa ( I think I never played the game I only watched gameplays ) as a Gumba or something. Also most of these mistakes are really embarrassing lmfao
They simply didn't care
Edit: they called a koopa toad. And the first grammar mistakes are allready in part one of any gameplay lmfao
@Just a confused space warrior I think not even google translate would be that bad 🗿🤚
Honestly, the fact that the game is a disappointment isn't as big of a problem as the fact that Nintendo games almost NEVER fall down in price. The fact that Kirby Star Allies can still be found at 60$ or near that price, same as the latest Kirby game is pretty insane to me. Nintendo did put out other meh games with the Switch as well, and those games would be alright as Nintendo Selects for 20$. But 60$ is insane and even 40$ would be pushing it for some of these games. Look at 1-2 Switch. Does anyone even buy that anymore? People complained about the 70$ price tag for games that companies like Sony are pushing, as people should do because it's an anti consumer move, but at least these will still fall down in price. I already see PS5 games with reduced prices for example. But a game such as BOTW, a Switch launch title, is still full price or near that. It launched 5 years ago. And people defend it. Couple that with the absence of the Selects line and... It's just insane. I don't know what else to say, really. I also think that Nintendo porting old ports to Switch is a great thing, even if they were a bit too over-reliant on them, but 60$ is not good for these as well. As far as I know in the past when Nintendo ported some GC games to the Wii, those ports weren't fully priced and eventually some also became part of the Selects line. The Nintendo of nowadays will probably never do that. Maybe they will and I'll be proven wrong. Hopefully. But I doubt it.
One of Peach's voice lines in the opening was also reused. Don't recall what game but I know it's an older voice line.
Surprised you didn't mentioned the balancing issues that Aces had but each time they updated the game, it also brought some balance changes.
Finally, Demeech's final form has been achieved... D-Mech!
I must agree with Waluigi tho, that racket does walk funny.
I still remember when I got this game at launch and to be honest even though I had some fun with it at first, it was really disappointing. At the time I only thought maybe this is just one bad game from Nintendo but then we got super rush and the NSO and we all know how that turned out. I’m really hoping Mario Strikers Battle League is good because next level games is working on it but idk you can’t really trust modern Nintendo anymore…
"You cant really trust modern nintendo" why? To my knowledge the only bad switch exclusives are pokemon swsh and maybe mario golf and tennis
@@maplemiles3381 i dont think thats the reason he said it and even though i wouldnt call modern nintendo bad they still have bad things like 60 dollar ports and games that never go on sale or reduce their prices as time goes
I wouldn't say modern Nintendo is bad. The company that is bad in these Modern times is SEGA since they haven't done a decent Sonic game since Generations.
@@darklinggaymer3032 mania was good but that was a collab with their fans and most of the levels are remakes of old ones
@@Amexy-mr6lw Yea that's why I don't include Mania but that's also the 2D side of stuff and not 3D which SEGA are somehow bad at. At least with Nintendo they can produce something decent in 3D...apart from Mario Tennis games and Golf recently. Wonder how they'll mess up sluggers next if we get another one.
Camelot didn't learn from their mistakes either and screwed up on Mario Golf Super Rush. I've just decided to avoid modern Camelot games like the plague. The point about the guy defending the game is also true with any lazily put together Nintendo game. I dislike seeing how people just excuse the laziness of Nintendo. It's strange seeing this company mess up so badly after being amazing for decades now.
I should go up to a crocodile and say Mario Tennis Aces and see if it flinches.
I really wish Camelot would go back to making RPGs like Golden Sun! It has been nearly 12 years since the last one and its a great franchise.
I loved when you were like "HOW THE HELL DO I GET MY 60 DOLLARS BACK?!?!"
I didn't get the game day 1, so no opening and no stage select are things I wasn't even aware of. (If I were, I would've honestly not gotten the game at all; you don't just leave out a stage select in ANY competitive game)
My biggest gripe is by far with the unlockables. I got the Online, so I got the characters over time, but seeing them in story mode before they launched was the same kind of annoying tease as Fire Emblem Warriors locking Oboro, Navarre, and Niles behind DLC despite them being in the story mode that was in the game since launch.
However what REALLY got on my nerves were the online challenges being the only way to get costumes, as well as the inability to play local tournaments with a second player (something I downright asked for after Power Tennis). I never touched a single offline tournament as a result, but I suspected it'd be pointless anyways since we didn't get characters from them like we used to in older Mario sports titles like Mario Sports Mix, though I didn't expect it to be SO pointless we didn't even get COSTUMES from them.
Speaking of costumes, as much as I love the yellow Yoshi, I was FUMING when I realized it was locked behind online challenges. Even Open Tennis was just a free QR code. And just my luck, not only is it the hardest tier of the three to get out of ITS monthly lineup, but the first time I got the challenge for the Yoshi colors, it was the OTHER set of them as unlockables.
Also you know how Mario gets his overalls back when you finish story mode? Well for some reason, that's a Mario exclusive thing. Why can't we have Luigi's overalls? Wario's? Waluigi's? Shorts and short dresses as alternates for the princesses? Heck, the different Koopa and Paratroopa colors are also unused afaik, even though Shy Guy gets colors, and I think even Boo has alternates (though I don't remember what they are). Throw in the Miis and you could do even more.
Not only that, but one thing I noticed with the Yoshis is that their logos, emblems, and rackets don't change colors to match their new ones. Either they're implying it's all the same one Yoshi (which, considering that one special move in Power Tennis, is possible), or they got too lazy to even recolor those.
Between that and the basic game mode just feeling samey, even though we're constantly together, I still try to convince sis that it's too boring of a game to go back to, and really only do so because it's somehow still one of the few games that understood that, yea, Yoshi has different colors.
For context, I beat the story too, and it was not worth it. As cool as having Mario in his traditional overalls is, I feel like you should AT LEAST ALSO unlock the Lucien versions of Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi. (And also, y'know, NOT tease characters that are supposed to be DLC. DLC keeps people coming if they're a surprise because there's always a chance they'll like it, whereas exposing them in the story just tells people "yea, those are the guys you'll get later", which is NOT a good PR move since it basically admits to the game not being finished enough for them to be playable even though they look perfectly fine in the story)
“Masterpiece of garbage”💀💀
Can you please make a video about Super Rushed? Its unshockable are locked behind a paywall too, & they're also on a monthly rotation.
Mario Strikers Battle League will suffer the same treatment
the gameplay is so good but I agree, they just completely fall flat on the other options
*Nintendo has come to DMCA you for criticizing their game.*
My biggest problem with this game?
It's $60
@Just a confused space warrior better yet Metroid dread
@The Real Jay Stone or you could buy 3 copies of Celeste (yes I have done that)
I've never played Mario Tennis Aces, and I never plan to, but tbh for the amount of anger you have for it, the game doesn't even sound that bad. Just sounds like it's pretty light on offline content, and that the cosmetics are tedious to unlock.
Like, fair enough, it sounds like it isn't exactly a $60 experience, but as you said in the review, the core game is fun. Just the offline content is barren.
See, the switch era is the one that made me an huge Nintendo fan, there have been lots of good games, even too much good sometimes, but for every super Mario Odyssey you get a Mario tennis aces, for every Splatoon 2 we get an Arms, for every Kirby and the forgotten land we get a Nintendo Switch sports, for every breath of the wild you get a Mario Golf Super Rushed, for every Smash bros ultimate, you get a Kirby star allies (not a bad game at all, but still a bit disappointing)
Big kirby fan here and i agree about star allies. That game didn't live up to how great the 3Ds duology was
I think it's interesting to compare your viewings of this game with GVG's Jon Cartwright, who loves the game and has played it for over 100 hours and many of it's friends too, because of the gameplay and online experience, but seems you don't seem to care about that, especially for a quick review, that appeal doesn't exist since you are going for the single player modes. Thing is that I wonder how do you see the other Martio Tennis games like 64 or Power, since while at least the latter does have more single player meat than Aces and more polish in some areas, they definitely can't last a whole lot of time, since unless thay have and RPG mode Tennis isnt' really the most varied sport out there, and they shine more in multi player too.
Kirby Star Allies was mostly missing the Extra Mode, it wasn't great, but the game wasn't really missing anything too major for the game. The game started to fix issues with the game after launch, as well as fixing a bit the content problem with all the free new characters and their own modified versions of Guest Hero. Kirby Star Allies' case is definitely debatable depending how important the Extra Mode was for the overall experience, but everything else the game technically needed was already at launch.
In the other hand, Mario Tennis Aces is a game that I have no doubt it was launch unfinish, it was not only missing a challenge mode; as you said, it was also missing parts of the story mode and the UI wasn't working correctly... how is this game missing select options? (KSA could have many issues, but UI never was one).
I agree with you 100%
I’ve said this plenty of times before and I’ll reiterate it once again; these so-called “free content updates” and patches in all Switch games (and games in general) are all for nothing once the console servers inevitably shut down, sans physical copies of re-released Definitive Editions which are seldom seen apart from exceptionally well-selling titles.
Reused audio is the type of thing I'd expect from an alpha not a finished game
DoujinShinji's video continues to age like fine wine. He warned us and we didn't listen.
Mario Power Tennis for GBA holds so much Nostalgia for me
As much as I love the gameplay of Aces, you make some great points on why this game’s U.I. and presentation in this game is very badly designed.
I remember I too was stuck on the Kamek rally in Adventure mode and there was no retry option. Instead, you had to go through a bunch of dialogue with Kamek in order to try again. I did manage to beat it and I didn’t feel satisfied at all. But hey, a retry option was added to the game, but only a few months later when I already finished it. WHAT THE HECK NINTENDO?!
Also, my big problem with this game is in free play. Everything when deciding a match is done at the start (picking singles/doubles, and choosing a court (with hazards or no hazards)). Nintendo did fix it months later with a stage select screen, but the people who made this game should have thought that this isn’t very good, but no.
Now, that you cover this game, what is your opinion on Mario Golf: Super Rush? I think that game is a lot more fun than Aces, and I feel it has a much better U.I. than that game as well.
You did justice for the miis today, I'm so jaded with Mario Golf: Super Rush and modern Nintendo tactics.
I thinks it’s fair to say Demeech preferred Nintendo in the Wii U 3DS era.
He likes the switch, but is more vocal about the problems it faces unlike everyone else
Also, off topic but I love the vacation Luigi in your pfp
@@SoshiTheYoshi tks, Luigi is my fav Mario character, and he just looks so cool here.
Well hey I'm into the Wii/DS Era so to each their own right?
DS/Wii era was platinum. 3DS/Wii U was silver. Switch is tarnished bronze.
@@Demeech the switch as a console is revolutionary for the fact that it’s a handheld and a home console in one, but this era has shown Nintendo at their most anti consumer. In terms of games this gen, your either getting something great with passion and effort put into it like Odyssey, BOTW, Luigi’s Mansion 3, Dread, Mario Party Superstars and Kirby and the forgotten land, or your getting something clearly rushed for the sake of laziness like Super Rushed, Star Allies, Pokémon Sword and Shield, and of course, tennis aces.
14:26 I really love Demeech's genuine confusion.
Wait, did that announcer lady say, "leg-endary"?!
If you thought Mario Tennis Aces was bad, wait untill you see Mario Golf: Super Rush (more like Super Rushed).
Oh and I also do not agree with demeech on unlockables. A game with no unlockbles does not make it worse.
Other than that great video
I think it's fair to point out the NSO wasn't a thing yet at the time of Tennis Aces' release. The paywall stuff was unintentional and (possibly?) an unfortunate side-effect of something that came later. Feel free to dispute my claim. I don't have the full picture there admittedly.
But if it's true, that means it's a side-effect, the title "How Mario Tennis Aces Showcases EVERYTHING WRONG With Modern Gaming And Nintendo" would imply that all the companies do it on accident. When they don't. And they shouldn't.
The thing is, NSO was supposed to launch in late 2017 but Nintendo extended the free period by nearly a year because, believe it or not, they said they wanted to improve the quality of the online itself before launch.
So basically Nintendo either always planned to lock content behind a paywall or they were too lazy to patch an alternate way to unlock said content for people without NSO.
I thought Switch Sports was the first maximum fury. But i was wrong.
Bowser's Inside Story DX: Am I a joke to you?
Modern AAA game: *in development *
Companies: rush it, the fans will eat it up anyways
16:12 this feels like an SMG4 video.
Looking back this video is more funny than anything
Hey, did Nintendo stop sending you review copies after this video?
I never even considered getting this game. I played the switch online game trial, and I'm glad I skipped out.
I'm nervous for mario strikers battle league. If that game sucks, mario sports is over with.
Edit: this series is done for. Thanks Nintendo for running mario sports.
We’ve witnessed the fall of Mario RPGs
do a video on Mario Sports Mix and how Nintendo could improve on sports games with it.
I never relise how much Nintendo sucked in 2018 maybe is't because i was super hyped for smash ultimate that i never relise how much rushed Nintendo games in 2018 were
@@jimmyrobertson9118 for big Nintendo games, they take their time
10:50 I might be incorrect on this but, didn't NSO release at least a week after Aces launched (meaning the first week [maybe first month] of Aces' online was free)
How and why did that piano bit make me laugh so much, I literally can't-
I've been laughing about it for nearly A DECADE.
I've been waiting for a video like this for a long time. Glad to see someone is finally gonna step up and talk about the (what else can I call it) "Modern Nintendo Syndrome"
I just hope they finally learn their lesson and stop releasing unfinished games. I'm excited for Mario Strikers: Battle League and I don't want the phrase "Free updates will be added" to ruin that
I don't know what the final straw for fans will be. They're at a point where they're launching a game and the pack in peripheral doesn't even work!
@@Chocolatemilkdrinkerhi If it's not one thing, it's the other...
@@Chocolatemilkdrinkerhi OH GOD NO. All we need at this point would be for Nintendo to put microtransactions in their games and the holy trinity is complete:
1. Launching games unfinished
2. Re-releasing old games at $60
3. Having microtransactions in their games
@@axelwoni.m.8940 Mario kart tour has that
@@NickMario1 I'm referring to their home console games. Plus, the more we forget about Tour, the better
14:59 love this part Demeech
So....you bought Aces because of a Story mode? That seems like dumb move in your part tho, expecting a mode to the GB games even tho their stories are really simple and the main goal being "Become a Pro and beat Mario". I can at least give Aces Adventure mode some credit on learning the mechanics a bit faster. About the whole Camelot reusing sfx and voice lines, they've done since Mario Golf with reusing Hot Shots Golf 1 sfx (they did develop the 1st HSG/EG game).
There are people who buy mario sports games for the story mode? Wtf
@@eatfrishkirby6191 Yeah, but they're really simple like example:
Superstar Baseball/Sluggers - Beat Bowser
Golf/Tennis GB and Andvance Tour/Power - Become the top player in fhe land and then face the Mario characters in a harder tournament.
Hoops 3 on 3: Just a tournament but your trophy gets stolen by FF characters and play them in a final.
Sports Mix: Same as 3 on 3 but you get an actual boss fight at the end.
Strikers: Just a tournament but you face Bowser's Super Team and then that team gets demoted to Janitor duty in Charged.
Golf Super Rush- Same as Golf GB but is in the Mario universe now. The difference is that you're trying to progress on your Pro journey but some of the courses are having unusual weather conditions and you go and fix the problems.
3:18 Thankfully the roster of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was fixed in the DLC to actually have the important Mario characters, such as Birdo, Wiggler, and Petey Piranha. But at the time we didn't know that so it was the worst Mario Kart roster being padded with filler characters instead of filled in with the good ones.
CTR Nitro Fueled isn't really a good example of how to do unlocks when the only reason the rotating store exists is to generate a sense of FOMO in people and make them more likely to pay for the unlocks with microtransactions.
"The game dosn't even aknowledge you beat a tournament, not even an indicator" Wrong. You gain a star at the character selection once you beat the tournament with your character. Yeah, took me months to realize.
This review made me realize I've never even seen most of this game's content outside of standard tennis
I'm so excited for this rant on one of your least favorite games that disappointed you
When I see these series of games, I always compare within any combination. With that in mind, Aces is my third favorite in the series. And this review shows how low the bar is set when it comes to how close the best is.
Finally, Mario Tennis has been dry since the Wii U, Ultra Smash and Aces both look… questionable. And not the good kind.
Me with Mario Power Tennis: 🙂
When Tennis Aces just released I thought the game got nothing but praise from everyone, I never knew there were so many things wrong with the game!
It’s a fun game imo, but yeah, it feels like everyone’s praising it only because it’s better than Ultra Smash. Like, guys, come on, that’s not a high bar.
Hey so I don't mean to criticize your video too much (since I thought it was a good video) but when it goes to the segments to "Demeech's Fury" could you lower the music and sound effects? The sound effects that you used at points were too loud that it began to be difficult to hear what you were saying. Especially at 10:53 where you ended up sounded very muffled and it felt like the sound effect used was attempting to overshadow your voice.
This is a fair criticism. Yes, I'll fix that.
You praise that crash team racing pit stop rotates daily but people complain that the shop does not keep the same items long enough.
Mario Strikers Battle League is in the capable hands of Next Level Games. Even if it's not as good as the previous games, it's bound to be leagues better than Mario Tennis Aces, no pun intended.
Would you say the aces “swing mode” is more accurate/better than the motion controls for tennis in switch sports? Genuinely curious about this.
Yes
Referring to the end.
I wish I could buy Banjokazooie along with all the rest of the retro games instead of rent them. Or even better, let us transfer our gsmes over from wii u like x box lets you do with their older consoles.
NSO is the biggest load of garbage in gaming and I don’t see how anyone actively defends it except through buyers remorse
Amen.
Time to unleash full Fury.
Demeech make a video about Nintendo Fanboys
tried it on emu and it was meh, surprised people pay full price for these
I actually really liked this game. I’d say that the idea of free updates suck, but I still think that this game is fun. It has a great story mode and overall great gameplay