What People Misunderstand About Stress | Andrew Huberman
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When we feel that we are choosing our problems we feel empowered. When we feel that problems are being forced upon us against our will, we feel victimised and miserable.
......yes. exactly.
Yeah but not everything is a problem like forcing a kid to work out so they can get healthier but they’re lazy and they don’t want to and they drag their feet and they act like they’re being tortured every single time and it doesn’t change because of their behaviour andthese children are spoiled. What does that do? Does not give them a negative impact because they’re working out because they’re mindset is not in the right place.
@@jamespoirier9833 Never win by force that which can be won by Deception/Manipulation. There are million other ways you can make children do the right thing even when it is hard. You can either inspire that behaviour, or Manipulat.
There are only two ways to influence human behaviour. Manipulation or Inspiration. (According to Simon Sinek)
Yes, absolutely.
@@jamespoirier9833 You can't force a kid to workout, nothing good will come out of it. You can encourage the kid, be the role model and teach him how to workout if he is interested in learning, but you can't force it.
Prisoners are the saddest and Buddhist monks are the happiest. Both live very regimented and basic lives. The prisoners just don’t want to be there.
It has a lot more to do with the prison system and it being vioent as hell… drugs everywhere… gangs… crazy rules and murder, abusive guards whatnot. The list doesn’t end. Some prisoners actually achieve the same things the monks do. Check out the europien prisons that actually rehabilitate them. American prison system is horrible.
prison food is crap and there’s a whole bunch of scary people there… other then that yeah it’s the same 🤦🏻♀️
nah, monks are spiritually advanced, and prisoners are spiritually dead people.
@@evadowling9701(Theravada) monks food is basic and they only eat once per day. They sleep on the floor, only sleep 6 hours a night, and choose not to watch tv or any other entertainments. The comparisons to prison life is valid, yet they’re happy
Yeah well the vast differences being crap food, no freedom, rapes, dumb gang affiliations and stabbings
I used to hate reading books and exercising while in school, but now I find enjoyment in both when I am doing them voluntarily
That's called being an adult.
Same
@@FoobsTonnah, that’s your choice.
I wonder if this would apply to education. Students forced to learn compared to students allowed freedom in what and how they learn. My own kids did so much better learn in at home with input into the curriculum and choices about what they are learning rather than public school. You see this also in Montessori (ie child led) education.
Shhh! This is not in the curriculum of the schools and college. No talk about it.
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@@chernxbyl9140raynavolo is agreeing with what Ellen said.
I mean, I see it within myself. School was not engaging for me unless it was a topic I cared about. The second I got the “obligatory learning” done and got the chance to study what I wanted, thinking became much clearer. At school I hated math problems, now I’m at a job that I love but all I do is stare at numbers. Agency, whether it be in learning, exercise or even treatment, makes such a huge difference in performance outcomes it’s unbelievable
It absolutely does!
I never wanted to learn math and never really did. I only bothered to barely pass. Then i went to University of my own chosing and had to catch up and get good at high level math in a very short time. I put in the effort and got pretty good results very fast. I learned the entire high school curriculum for math in 3 weeks and then went on to the advanced stuff
I used to work in elementary education and something I always noticed that was interesting is the second kids were given the opportunity, either at gym, recess or a special event like field day, they immediately started joyously running around as fast as they could, just having a blast doing it. Somewhere between early childhood and adulthood that desire to move freely and release energy gets stamped out. If you don’t break free from the conditioning, before you know it, you’re obese, addicted to fast food and stuck sitting in a cubical for 8 to 12 hours a day in a deep depression. The modern world is easier than it’s ever been in terms of survival, but it strikes right at your core and rips out your soul if you let it.
Many people are obese because we are taught things like "eating fat will make you fat" so people avoid fat, and while avoiding fat while also as default eating too little protein, now people are hungry all the time snacking on sugery processed snacks...That's why most people are fat now days.
Absolutely. Also any movement outside the norm is socially or professionally punished, whether martial, gymnastic, dance or even stretching or skipping outside designated gym areas & times
Yes, it's called PE class. It is the same as English class is used to destroy the love of reading.
I’d save this comment if I could
You've been conditioned to believe it's easy. But in reality Americans have e never been more indebted to the government or been slaves to taxation like they are today.
It's not just about choosing your struggles here, it's also about loss of control and autonomy.. when we lose the autonomy and control.. it can create emotional distress
kind of like self determination theory where autonomy is a major constituent of motivation.
I wonder what constitutes forced exercises in humans? Being chased maybe? Or not liking to work out but forcing yourself?
That’s a cool thought. Probably similar to the being chased or at least the same adrenals and chemicals. Like cortisol and adrenaline
Choose your struggle even when there is no choice.
What you tell Yourself Matters.
Goes for everything not just exercise
I went to a Montessori school and that is the basis for how children learn. The one I went to it was an almost 100% free learning environment starting in preschool and kindergarten and then 1st thru 3rd grade they had some regimented classroom learning but still a somewhat free environment were you can learn about things you want when you want during open learning time as you got older the structured class learning would take over.
You can say this about many things. Being forced to do anything you’re not going to a absorb the experience or follow through on whatever it is , be it exercise, learning , work, relationships, etc.
These are always so interesting
This is why I appreciate the internet. Good input 👌
Applies to learning as well. When the attention, effort is SELF-directed, learning is improved. Reason why Montessori style teaching works. Studies done on brain changes when human subjects practiced digital exercises - those who chose to do it because of interest had bigger changes than those assigned to do it.
Wanna know what the independent variable here is? Control!! When we make choices to lean into stress, we have chosen to control our own actions. When you are being forced to exercise, there is no control, so your brain internalizes it as trauma.
Same thing with trauma therapy: voluntarily going to therapy allows you to heal, being forced to confront it against your will retraumatizes you.
Same for therapy to overcome phobia's. Really probably most if not all things in life are better for you when done voluntarily and harm you when done involuntarily.
Basically: don't force people to do things. It's bad for everyone.
Nobody mentioned debt and work stress
Perspective is everything
This is fascinating!!!!! I never would have guessed this is true. Interesting 🤔
You must to love your work because if you don’t love what you do, it will get you sick. That is what he meant
I’d call that work vs slavery
WOOOW my mind is blown away.... just like I read for the first time happiness is inside and going there will shift your reality... but has to be true, humble, and easy.
Good stuff. I workout 3-5 times a week and one rule I have is, if I don't feel like going, I don't force myself, because from experience, if I do force myself when I don't feel the energy and motivation for it, I end up having a horrible workout and feeling sick afterwards.
The opposite here. Those are the workouts I’m most rewarded by. Sometimes, rarely , I’m off. Just not into it. I know though if I go I will be helping myself. I go and feel better for it. No question. Everybody is different ☮️
Might fit with work as well. A lot of people hate working but feel good after going a job they like or charity work they volunteer for
I’d call that slavery vs work
I wonder what David Goggins thinks of this
😂 Goggins is the one forcing 😂
Forcing yourself to do something and being forced by someone to do something is very different.
Well one thing I agree with goggins and huberman talked about this is that when we challenge ourselves to do hard/challenging tasks like exercising or other examples, it works part of our brain “anterior midcingulate cortex” which is responsible for helping us tackle onto challenging tasks. However Goggins doesn’t really understand motivation, he’s all about “mindset”, but mindset is like the software in a brain. You still have to take into consideration the Hardware/actual physical components of the brain
I think it’s not exercise, or being forced I think it’s about harmonizing with your desires.
Chriiiiiiiis what up. Educational and entertainment in one reel. Thank you
Forced exercise causes stress. Which reverses the physical benefit of relieving stress thru physical exercise. It's the mental mindset of being forced to do something.
We all wants to be in control of our life
FORCED EXERCISE = WORK!!
So mandatory P.E. class in school was detrimental then! I always thought so! 😂 …. I always love exercising on my own though!
I’d like to see a study done along the same lines but with things other than exercise. Work itself can be rewarding or it can be the vain of one’s existence. How do people voluntarily work and keep that healthy lifestyle?
that's what the toxic workout dudes don't just don't understand. I already knew this. I try to tell them, they don't listen, thank you Andrew hubermann for saying this, and understanding that this, and saying this to tell us don't exercise, unless you want to, and self-love helps you want to exercise more. and get much more benefits. more.
But most people won't ever start exercising unless someone pushes them. You might hate it at the begining but over time you'll start enjoying it. It's hell of a lot better than not getting into it ever.
I don;t think he said "don't exercise, unless you want to".
Problem begins if people only do stuff if they want to and not when its needed
Chosen suffering vs Unchosen suffering.
Slavery vs work
Helpful info 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🤍🕊️🙏🏼🤍
It would be interesting to know the effects of forced sedentary verses voluntary sedentary.
Being forced to do anything!!!!
Anything forced us a mental block
Inversely, Huberman has also recently mentioned a portion of the brain that grows when one forces oneself to do something they really don't want to do-- as well as the long term neuro benefits. So ...maybe between the two we break even?
Freedom
Very good argument against the legitimacy of the state. I approve.
It's about being forced to anything. Not just exercise.
How is this related to stress?
Thats fascinating 👏👏👏🏆
Mom: go for a run it’s good for you
Me: it’ll actually hurt me
I always knew that going to work harms me LOL
Tell them best Chris 🎉
can vouch, was in the army forced to work out at 6am 5 days a week, it did NOT help my mental or physical health in any way I could see. [i was already physically very healthy, so i wasnt gaining muscle or losing fat] what it did do is make me tired every single day for no real reason, making my home life bad and work sub-par. i did not drink coffee though either. ill never wake up that early again [5am 5 days a week]if i can help it, torture.
What happens over time? When the other also gets used to it.. it’s also Addicted to it ? I bet he also picks up the rhythm ! 😊
Well that’s a given because they don’t have agency. It’s not having agency that causes stress.
So what if I want to start exercising, but it’s hard for me to get started… I wonder what the effects would be…. I would assume good because my trouble is just getting myself to do it. Depression is a beast! But I’m going to beat it! I’m stronger than the depression! I hope… I just know I’m not giving up!
One situation probably increases cortisol while the other does not.
Exactly
I wonder if this applies to sports in general? Most people recognize that working out is beneficial and essential to one’s performance in that sport.
Let’s say the average high school student is overworked/stressed/etc from academics or at home life… would this also contribute to their declining mental state simply bc they are not willing to workout at that time?
Explains why I HATED SPORTS at school and all the effects of it.
The military should take note of this
Subliminal regression.. "You're not the boss of me!" 😄
How does this work if its I that is forcing myself to exercise? 😂
Bc once you get fit and into it it’s not as hard
The difference is autonomy.
Then how do you get people who genuinely don't want to exercise to do exercise?
You teach and show them they they actually do want to do exersize and feel better and be healthier
@@stringbender3 I wish it was as easy as you make it sound lol , the person I'm trying to help is so against it even though they've admitted it's good for them to do it they just don't feel like going..
@@mysticartsmelodies it scrapes out your intestines. Removes funguses, bad bacteria, E. coli, myto toxins, heavy metals, parasites and more!
@@mysticartsmelodies lol right. You gotta get them eating healthy first and clean out the micro biome so they feel good. Go for food grade diatomaceous earth.
@@mysticartsmelodies my first reply was removed for some reason so it’s second now
Is there a full video of this?
So if getting up at 5am to go gym feels forced how does one exercise to stay healthy
Oh snap...
I like to read. That reduces my stress. ; )
Tell that to Goggins
Personal trainers minds everywhere just exploded and they all stopped forcing their clients to exercise, instead, having them do it voluntarily. 😄
It all comes back to the condition of the spirit
Slavery vs work
So those in military service fall under which category?
This duo looks like Dad and Son❤😂
Andrew huberman is just random facts.
+ What do you think about stress?
- So exercise in mice ...
Yeah, it’s not what you experience that impacts you, it’s the meaning you make of the experience.
There’s big difference between slavery and work
Plot twist: Rats can suck away the life force of other rats by forcing them to run.
Absence of choice, of alternative, of will! In such a case running in general would not bring rats pleasure, it would alter initial conditions of the experiment. "Rats and rodents of all kind love running on treadmills" - this important condition is bound by will!
Fate leads the willing, and drags along the reluctant.
The next lvl would be running with other people that have the same objective then
This is the very reason horse racing is abusive. Ppl say the horses love to run. They love to run when they WANT to, not because they’re being whipped by a jockey!
Sooo we shouldn't force ourselves to exercise if we don't want to?
But....I'm curious as to how or if the impact is different if you are in the forced situation, but you mentally choose to 'go with' the situation. I wonder if the negative physiological effects would be different?
Depends on how long and bad it really is probably. Slavery or work
Would this then account for higher levels of suicide and depression within the manual sectors of work 🤔 as a thesis
0500 Green in green, glow belt, water source don’t be late
Tell the Army 😂
I think that's why work sucks so much. It's not necessarily the "work" part is that when employed by someone else, you're doing it for them and not yourself
Slavery
Yeah, when I was self-employed I was much happier and motivated.
Does this pertain to the following case then? I love yoga. I do some intense (by my standards) yoga vinyasa flow. For 90% of the practice I exert lots of effort physically and mentally, that's part of the practice. I want it and although it feels like I'm doing work and it feels painful in a way (as in "no pain, no gain"), afterwards I feel amazing. However, sometimes the teacher pushes us further and for those remaining 10% I feel I'm being forced to do something I don't want to do because it pushes me almost to the brink of my capabilities. It's only for 5 minutes maximum but at that time I feel almost angry at the teacher for doing it but I can't stop. Are those 10% of my yoga classes actually bad for me or not?
I think so yes. It’s like work vs slavery.
I wish i would get excited about treadmills 😢
Me voluntarily forcing myself to exercise 😮
So wait, then what about forcing yourself out of bed, forcing yourself to do the exercises or work when u lack motivation? Cause we all here know we can't rely on motivation to do the things we're supposed to do!
I would assume that it wouldn't be that bad since you are still in control. The rat was being forced and had no control. You are forcing yourself to do something but you are still the one in control
@@MrSean737 yes, but it still probably means it does stress us right? But maybe we don't feel it cause once we finish it ,it gives us an amazing feeling, a dopamine rush for the sense of accomplishment!
@@Soulmaster4 yes ur right it does stress u a little but at least there is the benefit of being in control
That’s competley different bc as soon as your doing it you feel better and glad you did. Work vs slavery big diffrence
The Rodent forcing the other to exercise, did it know what it was doing and not care? Or was it oblivious? Maybe considered the other to be mimicking? 😂
Oh No ! What about going to work, they force me to go to my job
Now compare this to what he Huberman said about growing the willpower part of your brain. Does improving your willpower cause high blood pressure and other stress related issues? Or do you have to decide to want the stress to get the increased willpower?
Certain organizations could take note....😂
Chris - When you or your guests refer to studies, can you do a little homework and find the references for those of us that are curious to read deeper into the topic? Thank you!
So when I force myself to exercise it’s not good for me? Lol
It's the same with work, you may enjoy your work but when some idiot manager is standing over you telling you how to do something you've been doing longer than him and telling you to do it faster than it can be done, it leads to stress and dead managers.
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Someone should show this to the military, haha
If ppl did squats or something when theyre stressed we would need a lot less meds. We need to learn how pur bodies and minds work and schools never do that. They just breed mental illness and stress.
Oooh
Wish I wasn’t forced to run a half mile every day before starting PE in highschool but ok
there's no way that's accurate if I voluntarily force myself wat is it then
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So basically most labor jobs are killing you. Facts
People really believe the game yall spit it’s not even make believe if it sounds right it is right