Cold War Dogfights | Mig-21 Fishbed Vs Viggen Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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Big thank you to Shotgun for flying the Viggen for us, and maybe ED or Heatblur can have a another look a that damage model on the Viggen lol...
Dude I'm absolutely sure you play war thunder because playing the viggen it's not a coincidence
LOL why does all the weird shit happen to you man?
The sacrifices you've endured just for your KILL!
Great Content, Thank You Sir.
I bet the viggen pilot is now sitting at his bar and is proudly telling everyone of how he lost a dogfight and then actually won at the end lmao
Bar Owner: “Did you win?”
Viggen Pilot: “Yes”
Bar Owner: “At what cost?”
Viggen Pilot: “Everything”
@@Fergus_0703 Nah he got bored at the ratefight so he left the plane...
Legend says that Viggen is still flying without a pilot.
10:14 That viggen flies better without a pilot and a chunk of the wing missing than the mig-21 at low speeds
Well, it’s lighter, so better AOA, thus no compressor stalls.
One time I was flying in DDCS and I got hit in my su25 multiple times from manpads I ejected and watched the plane fly over me in circles for 15 minutes until a plane shot it down
The real winner here is Sven, who killed GS without taking a shot and is probably *still* beating the ever living meatballs out of that Viggen to keep it flying
Sven makes the most of it 😄
FOR SVEN! 🍻
FOR SVEN!
FOR SVEN!! He's a better copilot than Jester ever will be!
HE JUST GOTTA KEEP BANGING IT LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW. LOL
11:48 "Well I died, but so did he". No, _you_ died, he ejected! 😄
Lol….was hoping no one would have realized this minor detail
@@GrowlingSidewinder you should have ejected right before you rammed the Viggen!
"He died serving his motherland and rammed the enemy."
or
"He rammed into a pilotless plane which was probably going to crash somewhere in the wilderness anyway."
for mother Russia
"Oh shit, I almost had a CFIT accident...welp, time to ram this doomed plane with my perfectly good one."
Taran
Wouldn't imagine if there was a "lmao" on the end of the 2nd sentence
"I died, but he died as well. And the people in those houses"
The "we can see him in the mirror thing, oh-" 30mm to the face made me laugh lol
the sound effects made me laugh more tho
That SPLAT was atrocious!
@@ozpowermo ?
Should have kept head down...
Wow. Sven is much more dedicated than I thought. He was kicking it hard enough to turn it into a rocket after the wings departed. He's the Swedish equivalent of Rosie the Riveter.
Sven is MUCH better than Jester! Jester ejects if the cockpit lights blink.
Sven stays and fights on when he has no wings and his pilot has ejected.
SVEN FOR TOMCAT RIO! SVEN FOR TOMCAT RIO!
Petition for Sven to be leased to the U.S. Navy for training purposes.
"You expect me to shoot down anything more maneuverable than a B-52, Comrade?...surely your vodka ration needs to be reduced." - Mig-21
Year-by-year kill claims involving MiG-21s:
1966: U.S. claimed six MiG-21s destroyed; North Vietnam claimed seven F-4 Phantom IIs and 11 F-105 Thunderchiefs shot down by MiG-21s.
1967: U.S. claimed 21 MiG-21s destroyed; North Vietnam claimed 17 F-105 Thunderchiefs, 11 F-4 Phantom IIs, two RF-101 Voodoos, one A-4 Skyhawk, one Vought F-8 Crusader, one EB-66 Destroyer and three unidentified types shot down by MiG-21s.
1968: U.S. claimed nine MiG-21s destroyed; North Vietnam claimed 17 US aircraft shot down by MiG-21s.
1969: U.S. destroyed three MiG-21s; one Ryan Firebee UAV destroyed by a MiG-21.
1970: U.S. destroyed two MiG-21s; North Vietnam claimed one F-4 Phantom and one CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopter shot down by MiG-21s.
1972: U.S. claimed 51 MiG-21s destroyed; North Vietnam claimed 53 US aircraft shot down by MiG-21s, including two B-52 Stratofortress bombers. Soviet General Fesenko, the main Soviet adviser to the North Vietnamese Air Force in 1972,[53] recorded 34 MiG-21s destroyed in 1972.
Ergo, irl it had no problems shooting down anything it wishes (with the aid of NVA radar stations guiding the Mig-21 to the enemy formation's rear sector).
@@thrashermosher419 that’s because the Vietnamese MiG-21s had such a disadvantage compared to the F4 that they only fought during the most optimal of conditions, and only did hit and run attacks. Operation Bolo shows what happens when MiG-21s are put in a fight without and huge advantage
What if you wanted to win a dogfight and the pilotless Viggen just said "no"
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@@xmeda bru-
Sven and his mighty Snow shovel wins the day...
Dude is so loaded on aquavit and Surströmming, he just kept a whackin' on that engine.
Viggen: "it's just a flesh wound."
Perfectly servicable airframe. Just trim it out.
"The black knight always triumphs!"
Tis but a flesh wound
Callsign Lumberjack. Likes to fly his MIGs between and under trees.
Mentally still sitting in the Viggen... ^^
Iron man: "We have a Hulk".
Viggen: "I have a Sven".
You know, I’m glad to see a plane still flying after some hits, rather than the usual “single bullet to the wingtip takes down multi million dollar fighter jet,” but that was just legendary to the point of being over the top
If you "run out of ammo" *you become the ammo* - Sun Tzu Art Of War
Between dealing with compressor stalls and flying damaged planes, Sven is such a hard worker
Viggen has upgrades from Gripen NG... goes into "kamikaze drone mode" when you eject and start piloting through the Apple Watch... Lol
"Well, I died, but so did he." Well no, actually. He successfully ejected, whereas I didn't see a chute for you!
Now imagine fighting the JA-37 Viggen. The fighter one. Had no compressor stalls among other things. A lot more scary.
No it definitely still had compressor stalls since its just a new version of the same engine and the intake design didn't change, its just a lot less prone to getting them at high AoA, but it 100% still gets them. Wasn't mean for fighting with high AoA the changes were done for safety when landing more than it was so you don't comp stall in combat.
@@evangalinsky2499 "The flight envelope for the fighter-version demanded both more power and better compressor stall margins. This led to a new fan-stage (the so-called "0-stage") was introduced, making the engine longer. This led to a total redesign of the fans, the low-pressure compressor and the combustion-chambers."
@@alexgraphene I didn't say they didn't do anything to it did I? Infact I said the opposite, there we changes made ("new version of the same engine"), however, that does not at all address what I said and if anything confirms it. It still had comp stall issues, you/they also never gave a reason for the comp stall margins but I can bet you that it wasn't for combat since the Viggen was not to be used in a dogfight which is the only place it would experience that to detrimental effect except for takeoff/landing. If anything it was for higher takeoff and landing AoA, considering the Viggen's design was based around the ability to perform very quick turn arounds from public roads.
Dunno why you commented really tbh. But okay.
@@evangalinsky2499 You said it had nothing to do with combat, he cited a source claiming it was INDEED a requirement they set for the fighter platform.
@@evangalinsky2499 The issue was fixed in the new engine, but the new engine was reserved for the JA variants, and never made it to the AJ versions. (because it didn't need it.)
So I guess in a sense, yes it was still an issue in the AJ, but it was fixed for the JA.
There was once an F-102 or F-106 that kept flying after an ejection, and then it landed neatly in a corn field with no pilot, and I think it was even repaired and became airworthy again.
It was a six , the guy flying in formation saw it gently glide on the field and radioed in "he better get back in the damn thing" lol
Yeah, it flat spun, and ejection righted it. Landed in a field almost perfectly.
That Viggen is sturdy like an 80s Volvo
“The MiG-21 hates the one-circle”.
Honestly, the Fishbed seems better at nose to nose fights than its reputation would suggest. Yes, the delta wing will drop your speed like a rock in high AoA turns, but I’ve been finding that the phenomenal roll rate means you can get your lift vector back onto the bandit VERY quickly. Just don’t miss those crossing snap shots….
Wow, that Viggen (and Sven) was flying to Valhalla.
11:03
"Ummm, Houston . . . . . . We have a problem "
Even after ramming it with your jet it still stayed in one piece. FTW
GS: "Oh yeah, I sawed that Viggen in half!"
Sven: "😂🥲😅🤣,"
GS: "ED, come on! "
MIG 21: BRRRRRRRRT!
GS: "I took his wings off, no way he's still flying!"
Sven: "Hold my aviation tape..."
😂🥲🤣
A Cold War Era recommendation -- the Ogaden War (1977-78) included air-to-air combat between Ethiopian AF F-5s (A models, and E models) and Somalian AF Mig-21s (MF, bis, and UM models). Might create an interesting dogfight.
10:05
YOU LUCKY SOB ! ! !
SHIT THAT WAS CLOSE MAN YOU MOWED THE GRASS AND DID SOME TREE TRIMMING !!!!!!
PHEW
GS just trying to beat the Viggen with their own weapons... just too late :)
Normal flight height for the AJ37 :-D
Was just looking up more content on the Mig-21bis by you, then you go ahead and post a new one. Golden. Thanks for the content, GW!
That is one of the flight characteristics of a design with a large canard like the Viggen. That canard will stall out before the wing does. This actually prevents the wing from going into a full stall. If you go look at Burt Rutan's Vari-EZE and Long-EZE designs, as well as his Vari-Viggen design, all 3 demonstrated the same characteristics. The canard design is solid.
So fun having interesting and hilarious dogfights from time to time
GW: "Well I died, but so did he."
Me: Uhm, no - He bailed out. : p
The Viggen doesn’t need a ground crew, it has Sven and he flies with the plane.
Listening to you talk about the strength and weaknesses of the mig 21 reminds me of this campaign I saw where mig 21 took on mig 17 and could not turn with them
GS My man! Your videos just keep getting better and better! Never doubt yourself, you’ve got an amazing channel! Great content, keep it up!
4:12 - he did a River Dance on your plane...LOL
So the Mig 21 is basically high speed, sneak in, hit, run home.
Well basically that's what most of the interceptors do
I couldn't stop laughing when the Viggen kept flying without any pilot and then actually managing to sort of win the fight 😄 Thank you for the entertainment! // The Swede
A GS & LS post in the same hour? We are truly blessed!
Can’t wait for p-51 vs F-22 :)
why not make it I-16 vs F-22?
@@deanboy2416 because I-16 would be too OP against Raptor
@@TADAMAT-CZ Nah give the Raptor a python missile and it might have a chance xd
@@deanboy2416 Why? P51 is not the worst fighter but I'd definitely stick with the I16 if I had to choose between those 2.
@@karjalasta you know, in 1933, when it was designed and fielded it was the most advanced fighter. No one could even come close. Most nations still operated biplanes.
I dont see how the I-16 is "the worst fighter".
P-51 though? Not nearly as revolutionary for its time (1944-45), and did not outperform its competitors in such a significant way as the I-16 did during its time.
No dice, buddy
I had to watch it again. I was sitting here laughing listening to the commentary and wondering how the Viggen kept flying. Ramming speed!
I love that you can hear the squish sound just prior to KIA.
Great Coldwar dogfight.
Here are a few more that I would like to see:
Mig-19 vs F-100/F-104
Mig-17 vs F-4
Me.262 vs F-86/Mig-15
Love the videos!
In between the trees👏👏 lmao and the Ghost Viggen that almost brought you down with it and eventually succeeded😂🤣👍
That swedish pilot got a very good laugh while he was descending on his chute
The legend of Sven the unkillable Viggen will live forever in the halls of Valhalla.
That Viggen just looks so good in the air - like a Vampire in the sky.
Interesting that the day I was curious about the MiG-21 on DCS you also have a video made
Hell yeah!!!! Salute to Sven Bangstrum, and his mighty Engine Hammer!!!!!! Thank you GS!!!!!
It like those Volvos the Swedish used to make, tough machines that are built like a tank. I guess the Viggen is the Timex watch of jet fighters, "takes a licking and keeps on ticking".
The Viggen was one sturdy jetfighter.
"I took both his wings off and that SOB is still flying!!!"
MDD: With enough thrust, even a brick can fly
Viggen entered the chat.
Viggen pilot on the ground, sipping on his drink, and thinking: "yeah, my aircraft did the job!"
There are basically 2 Saab Viggen, 1 The Saab 37 Viggen ( First flight 1967 and deployed in 1971 ) it is a attack plane and does not
have a internal gun... And 2 The Saab JA37 Viggen ( 1974 , in service 1979 ) That is a fighter plane with the best EW and a
internal 30 mm gun.
JA37 was refered to as Jaktviggen, to differentiate it with the AJ37 Viggen
You know it's a good video when it starts with : " What's up my duuuuuds "
A True Testimony to the Craftsmanship of the Swedes. That last bit was comical GS. Hahahahahahahahahahaha
5:05 Glad you said that the Mig-21 is an interceptor. I am not sure most air forces realized that, which explains the Mig-21's not-so-excellent dogfighting record. The lack of rear visibility makes more sense in an interceptor.
The mig 21 is not an interceptor, its a front fighter, which in US parlance is an air superiority fighter. It is simply not meant to dogfight, rather rely on missiles, and utilizing its superlative speed (at least at the time of its design) to entirely avoid turnfighting.
Love yer stuff! Merch: Any Mig stuff? A Fish in a bed? BlackJack (21)? Mignificent! Mig vs Vig - beautiful vid! Thank you!
10:21 like an east German Mig23 back in 80's. There was an engine problem after take of, pilot ejected, but the plane crashed in Belgium
Was a Soviet one flown from a Polish air base, but yeah, thought the same :)
@@CakePrincessCelestia ok...make sense! Cause NATO alarm bells started "ring" for air space violation form east Germany towards west Germany
LOL! please in between the trees..... oh, the vigen is still flying
I'd like to see the dogfights of classic jets like Draken, BAC Lightning, Hunter, Skyray, Jaguar, Fitter, Super Mystere, etc.
When Viggen realized his energy excursion wasn't a good idea, did he realize he has an aircraft that beat just about everyone for acceleration on the deck?
I also wondered about this - couldn't he just have left the MiG for dust?
I was literally thinking the same thing. When you’re outta of energy and in a fast aircraft can’t you always just straighten out throw the burners on to build up some speed then re-engage?
@@cagdascevrim69 yes but I think it leaves you open to get shot down
It's a fucking dogfight video lol, they probably agreed to not do that
That had me LOL Thanks GS!
So that's how you fight with a Viggen! Start the DCS, take off with a Viggen, log out mid-flight and just hope for the best!
That splatter sound in round 1 had me rolling.
Never seen a ghost aircraft win a dogfight before. That was certainly.. unique. ^.^
I just couldn't stop laughing when you crashed him down to the ground，that's so funny man~
5:33 viggen just chilling there
you can see him couple of centimeters away from the back wall
Turns out Jester-ing in a Viggan is the best dogfight strategy, not extend and pull away, but pull a Jester.
That's like the aircraft equivalent of a ghost ship.
That was some nice sabre dance between theose trees
I was about to ask what that screen on the 21 was and then I got that rear view of the viggen lighting you up!
the Volvo of the sky...indestructible XD
Viggen: -My name is Giovanni Georgio, but everybody calls me Georgio.
I see this vid pop up as I’m flying the mig 21 lmao
Sven: Can you blame me? I get paid overtime. And hazard pay. Engine pounding is dangerous stuff, don'cha know.
Cornfield bomber vibes... big time! Nice save Growling!
Edit : Growling got greedy and paid the price. You never try to remove a scab (SAAB Viggen) too early!
Have have hit bandits several times to get the kill after running out of 20mm in the F-16. Good kill.
After this, I realised that fast Swedish thiccboi is something else. Imagine the horror if Sven was always at the helm whenever I did my patrolsthere
Alright, this is funny. Fragile mig vs refuse to die viggen, lol
Absolutely love the Mig21. Basically a turbine engine with delta wings lol. It was great at goin fast
You did nicely tap that viggen but you could do it with your landing gear down and it could save your jet. Actually there were some cases of such kills during WWII.
Another moment of madness. Patience obviously isn't a virtue thus proving one "moron" by himself is equally dangerous lol 🤣🤣🤣
And the winner for "best dramatic ending" is.... haha!
Can't say I do much dogfighting in this thing to really argue "how to play" it opposed to you, but this felt more like an experiment to see who can stall earliest in a turn and burn rather than a real dogfight... there were very few energy conserving maneuvers or maneuvers in general done for getting a bead on people. I kinda wanna see how it flies with WW2 energy retention maneuvers; this things roll is insane and could probably be utilized effectively, but who knows vs another delta wing.
I really love cold war dodgfights !
Lol that last one qualifies for a rage quit.
why am i getting a dejavu from the part where the plane kept flyng
Draken vs Mig-21 would be an even more interesting dogfight. Finnish air force had both airplanes all the way to the nineties.
looks like you are using the EMG / 2nd after burner .... thats good
.
also.... at 12:23 you probably didnt run out of ammo.... but just jammed the gun
try hitting the 2 and 3 buttons below the weapon selector
.
it will fire an explosive charge, and hopefully charge/unjam the gun
3:40 needs to be a ringtone
GS:
Sven Bangström: Am I a joke to you?
Legends say "the Viggen is still flying".
DCS only offers the AJ 37 version of the Viggen, the original model, a strike fighter optimized for ground attack. That explains most of the shortcomings GS has noted both in flying and fighting against the Viggen in one-on-one air combat.
Should DCS offer the JA 37, which was designed principally for air combat, he's going to notice a number of differences, including a more powerful RM8B engine (28,000 lbf in afterburner), a multi-mode pulse-doppler radar with look-down/shoot down capability and capable of providing guidance for Skyflash SARH missiles; and a conformal ventral gun pack with a 30mm Oerlikon KCA cannon linked to a HUD. From 1982 onward, the JA 37 was equipped with a STRIL datalink that could connect four aircraft to each other and with ground controlled intercept networks. Externally, the JA has a taller vertical fin, providing enhanced stability at high AOA.
If the JA 37 is offered on DCS, you should give it a spin--it's a very different ride from the AJ version of the Viggen.
the noise of a snail being squashed in the garden with bare feet....
Never, ever, ever trying to fight a canard-delta fighter in one circle.🤣
The MiG 21 was the Russian jet of my childhood, so I have a soft spot for it.
The Viggen was less know, but it is a cool looking jet. Still modern looking, to be honest, and that’s the amazing thing about fighter jets - even a thirty or forty year old jet still looks like a badass work of art
Love "I'm going to ram him" lmao...pilots and that aggressive mentality
You've heard of the F-15 that landed with just one wing? Well here is the Viggen that kept flying with none! :)
Those are the kill cams we need to see!!!