How To Become An Airline Pilot [University vs Local Flight school] Aviation Career Paths
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- In this video, I provide an overview of how you can become an airline pilot, what the tips are, and the various pathways. At the end of the video, I shared my opinion of how I would do it that would save me thousands of dollars.
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0:00 Intro - How to become an airline pilot?
0:40 First step - Get your first-class medical certificate
1:05 Second step - The paths options to become an airline pilot
1:47 University route - Pros
3:37 University route - Cons
4:08 Local flight school - Pros
5:00 Local flight school - Cons
5:36 Why is a degree important?
6:38 How to save time & money?
7:31 What if you already have a degree?
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I’m really interested in becoming a pilot however, it’s very intimidating if you spend thousands on getting all of your requirements and don’t end up with a pilot position at one of the main Airlines.
one of the most helpful youtube channels by far, I appreciate the work you put in to the channel.
It’s great information and I actually do have a college degree in radio and television but being a pilot has always been something I’ve always wanted to do!
This was definitely helpful thanks. I was waiting for you to answer my question about field of study for the four year degree and right there at the end you answered it for me. Thanks!
I’ve always wanted to be a pilot but never knew where to start and truthfully always felt like it was something that was unattainable for many reasons. This video really opened my eyes to how to go about it. Thank you very much
You’re welcome Griffin
Best of luck in your journey
Hey griffin, in 16 and have thought about a pilot career.
Have you started the way to becoming one? If so can you give me some insider info
I plane spot a lot at John Wayne. I will have my bachelors degree completed this December and plan to start flying full-time in January (will get medical in January as well). You guys are definitely an option I am considering. Once I am closer to starting, I will reach out to discuss how OC Flight Lessons may be able to help me with my goals. Appreciate this video!
Hi JD,
Sounds good. We look forward to having you with us.
Omar
Thanks so much for sharing! This was super helpful!
If there is 20K applications on file, why is there a “pilot shortage”?
Money and skill , not enough of either for the bulk of people
From what I've heard it's because there are so many applications it's slow. With so much competition airlines are selecting the best of what comes their way. Also, airlines seem to be especially slow with the hiring process.
U still have to pass the minimum requirements too like a physical background check then pass all the test your training for which most don’t pass
@carystevensky will automation seriously take over airline pilots in our lifetime?
@carystevensky Do you think it's worth to become an airline pilot now or it's a bad idea with the rise of automation?
Mom of a 16-yr old who’s loved aviation since about age 6. He’s been “flying” in DCS sim game for few years and finally took a Discovery Flight last week and loved it! We are headed to Embry Riddle and ASU next week for tours. Your videos have been a WEALTH of info…THANK YOU. 4 yr degree program costs are a little overwhelming however the salaries of pilots within even 5 years after graduating seem to make the debt somewhat doable. I’ve heard some parents recommend my son look into getting his private pilots license before getting to Embry Riddle but confused as to how that expedites things..?
I'm also a 16 year old wanting to become a pilot and I'm in the same position as your son. I also wanted to go to ERAU but then I did some research and talked to a few professional pilots and graduates of ERAU who said that their Aeronautical Science program is a complete ripoff. What most of them recommended was that I get a degree in some other field either online or in a small community college (I decided to go to a regular college) and work on my pilot certificates as that would save a lot of money and time. Also, you can be a pilot with any degree but if you choose not to fly or are unable to in the future, you won't be able to find a good job with an aviation degree. Just my two cents on this
@@cloudythbthat’s great info! How were you able to talk to these professional pilots to get their input? I would love to do the same but i don’t know how…
@hereforschool1747 I'm 16 and whenever we fly I will ask to speak with the captain and I'll get their number and we will discuss possibilities I will most likely get my engineering degree as a backup incase the pilot stuff goes to crap while also working towards getting my atp
Thank you for the very useful information and advice!! Im currently leaning more toward the getting my degree through an AOPA approved university to get a bachelor’s degree and reduce those hours to 1000. Though it is more expensive it is less time consuming than doing 1500 hours. Thank you again!
Something to add. If you decide to get an aviation related degree your flight training counts toward credit. So you can finish a bachelors in 2-3 years.
Hi JK,
Great comment. Yes, I currently have flight instructors working at my school that attended aviation universities that can be hired at the airlines with only 1000 hours.
My question to you is: if you're flight instructing 80 hours per month, is it worth it to flight instruct an extra 6 months to building that remaining 500 hours and not spend $350,000 at those universities?
@@ocflightlessons Whoever made these rules is beyond stupid, plain and simple!
I have a degree from UC Berkeley in Electrical Engineering and Computer science, one of the most difficult *_TECHNICAL_* degrees, at one of the most insanely difficult schools in the world! And I graduated with honors, as icing on the cake.
Yet, some Joe Schmoe who completed an aviation degree at an aviation school gets to lop off 500 hours from their requirement, but I could not! I'm not saying this to brag, but it makes my blood boil! 🤮
Are you telling me that someone who completed a run-of-the-mill "aviation" degree is superior to someone who got a degree in *AEROSPACE ENGINEERING from MIT??* Yeah, right, give me a friggin break! 🙄
If they had an iota of sense, they would treat any *STEM* degree, the same as an aviation degree!
What bechalor do you recommend?
@@alienz1664 Personally, I would *NOT* recommend getting an aviation degree at all!! If something happens to your aviation career (example: medical issue or some sort of downturn in aviation) you will be totally screwed!
Get a degree in a STEM field. Engineering is highly preferred, if you can "cut it". I got my degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from UC Berkeley, and it is the best decision I could have ever made!
If anything were to happen in aviation, I could easily go back to being a software engineer or electrical engineer!
@@747-pilot Ohh I see .. I wanted to become an airline pilot with a two years diploma but my parents said they won’t accept any degree rather then a bechalor in any field lol. So I thought I will get an aviation diploma for two years . Then a bechalor in aerospace engineering or just in business administration and I don’t know if I can do them together
Thank you so much !!
Thank you brother. That was some really good information. 3 more classes until I graduate with my B.A. in management. I also wanted to get my A.S. in Aviation. I was thinking this would help understand Aviation a little better.
Nothing stopping you but honestly it won’t help you. A bachelors in management is more than adequate. Everything you learn in an A.S. Program will be a review of flight school.
@@JH-in5oq Nice. Thank you. excellent
Thanks a lot Sir Your videos are very knowledgeful
Very important information Sir...thank you.
Can you talk about the military /veteran route as well please
Thank you
Thanks for the guidance sir. I'm currently working towards my Bachelor's degree but once it is done and my military contract expires, I will be looking at a few flight schools. Do you recommend any flight schools? Currently looking at ATP but will use what portion of my GI bill to cover some of the expense for whichever flight school I choose.
Do you have information on the military route? I loved this video
The best thing for me in this video is that I share the same name with captain Omar, so I hit subscribe button and like even before watching the content😂😂
Thanks you for the infos!!
Every pilot I know who flys for the majors (I only 3) does not have a degree and all three started their aviation career later in life (31, 38, 45).
One flys for atlas, skywest and one for southwest. Four year degree is absolutely not necessary for becoming an airline pilot so do not waste your money unless you just need one to feel better about yourself. You just need to be a badass pilot. Good luck
Hey, thanks for the info, friend
For R-ATP 2:57 not every university can authorize you to get a restricted airline transport pilot certificate so be sure the university you want to go to is authorized. The one I’m going through right now was only just authorized in 2022. Also, the only university that will charge you $140k for a 4-year degree is embry riddle and maybe UND so expectation management.
Hey, thanks for this video, it's really informative. I have a quick question, if possible. I already have a 4 year degree, but it is completely unrelated to aviation. It's in graphic design. I'm looking at becoming a pilot as a second career. I know that you mentioned that a degree in anything is good, but I want to ask if the airline recruiters look down on these type of degrees that are so unrelated to flying. What do you think?
thank you for this video very helpful. I will be done with my 4 yr. fingers crossed 2023 Feb. and looking into ATP or even United's Aviate program any other advice?
Thank you :)
What are your thoughts on airline cadet programs offered through partner flight schools?
It’s a good deal, a lot students aren’t even joining them because you can only join one at a time and you don’t want to locked in to just one airline. Others join them but never accepted any money and once they hit their 1,500hrs they didn’t even end up working for the airline lol. In todays market for the foreseeable future I would say they don’t matter. Best advice I can give is to go to the school where they pay their flight instructors 40hr, that’s the school that the instructors care about their job and ultimately about their students
Greetings to you sir from Guyana. I'm really appreciative of your honesty at showing the reality of earning one's wings. I've had a passion for aviation since my primary school days but because here in third world Guyana the opportunities don't really come by easily and as often. However, I would still like to earn my PPL and from what I'm seeing in your videos I would very much liked to be trained @OC Academy. Thanks.
Im 21 and really want to become a pilot, but unnfortunately money is my main problem, and i feel sad bcs I always dream about becoming a commercial pilot since my childhood 😥.This job is only for very rich people ,and thats really dissapointing...
I can assure you it’s not. I grew up on welfare and food stamps and made it to airline captain. Whoever is telling you to think this way, run as far away from them as you can. They are poison for your mind
Good day Sir. Omar highly appreciated if could advise for those willing to be pilot should they finished first degree first
Hi there, aspiring pilot here. I'm still quite struggling on deciding which route is best for me especially because of costs since I barely even have the financials to afford local flight school training. Due to this, I was thinking about just worrying on getting my flight school certifications, after that landing a job at a regional, and while at said regional just work on a Bachelors degree online, cause I really don't mind getting stuck to a regional for a few years, I just want to be a pilot. But then there's my question, do regionals care about degrees? Have they historically, even before COVID, hired many pilots without degrees? I don't want to struggle getting a job with a regional because I don't have a degree.
Am 17 years old
Becoming a pilot is one of my dreams
I hope so
Hey I have my associates degree. Should I go get get my bachelors still before I start flight training? Thanks
Have any information on the American Airlines Cadet program?
I just graduated from English Literature major, how long do you think if I continue flight school will take until I graduate? Thanks in advance uncle Omar, your reply will be appreciated from me in Jakarta Indonesia❤❤
What are a couple online program would you prefer for a future commercial pilot? For an 36 year old. Thank you
Is the two year timeline to start signing up for airlines including the flight training or is it two years after you’ve completed your training to start building up enough hours in order to apply ?
You helped so much with my case, appreciate it, you're like a fallen angel lmao
Can you get your restricted ATP via online and going to a flight school at the same time?
I don’t think a 4 year degree is a big plus to get hired at a major now days, if there is thousands of pilots trying to get a position then why is a big shortage of pilots? It doesn’t make sense. Going to an university or a college is a waste of time and money. Just hear this, let’s say you go to an university and spend 4 years and 200000$, then you go to flight school and spend about 1.5 to 2 years more plus 70000$ and then apply for a job at a regional airline . Instead of, go straight to flight school, spend 2 years in training until reaching 1500 flight hours and then apply to a regional airline job and those 4 years in college you avoided now you invest it in seniority.
Hi Omar, do you typically hire students once they pass their CFII check rides? I’ve seen some schools advertise “guaranteed” job placement. Is this common? Or is this a red flag? My number one concerns is getting that first CFI job.
Hi JH,
Great question. I was discussing this topic with a potential student yesterday that was thinking of enrolling in my school. My goal is to hire each and every one of the students as a CFI at my school someday when they are qualified. I tell them "the job is theirs to lose".
I have very candid conversations with people signing up at my school about expectations from both sides. If the student enrolls in our 9 month airline pilot program, did he or she put in a good faith effort during those 9 months or did they show up to lessons late everyday, skip some sessions, or have a bad attitude? If so, they're probably not going to get extended an offer to come teach for me. Those bad habits will reflect in that instructors work ethic which I try to avoid at all costs.
If I allowed that student to someday teach at my school and exhibit that behavior, what message would that send to the other instructors/students?
Additionally, keep in mind, this industry is a very very small world. The students at your school, are your future co-workers. Some will be your boss, some will work under you, and some will work beside you. The day will come where you're interviewing at a company that employs one of those people. Make sure you build good relationships at the student pilot level.
One of my friends I went to school with is with the FAA and a great resource for me to call up with questions. My former captain when I became an airline pilot is now the Vice President of Flight Ops and is just a text message away, another is a captain and on the interview team for the largest airline in the USA. These are key relationships I built over decades that have come in handy throughout my professional career.
Best wishes,
Omar
Thanks for the detailed response Omar. I’ve been researching schools around LA and I’ll definitely be down there soon to check it out! I’m up north in Torrance.
when you say having a degree, could it be a degree from a community college that took only 2 years? And then go to a flight school
You don’t need a degree. Get your PPL and you can enroll in a cadet program.
Is there a modular because I didn't finish college, is it possible for someone who didn't finish college, how much is the modular training, thank you
Good day. Is it compulsory to get a Private Pilot License before applying for a local flight school?
I'm trying to decide between lift academy or atp flight school in indy both are telling me different things and what is ground school they have a school here in Fort Wayne Indiana saying 700 dollars ground school and a guaranteed to pass the faa certification exam??which one would be better
I’m a trucker but I’ve thought about this a lot
I'm a trucker also. So i definitely understand where you are coming from. I've decided long enough, and I'm going to go for it.
@@TrueBandzMovement I’m a owner op but I’m considering this asap
We have had a lot of truckers signing up lately
Can you do one for military route
Ao really the best way to do this would be: go to a Community College for 2 years, and then finish your final 2 years at a Uni if you want to get the degree under your belt.
My son (14, 9th grade) has been interested in becoming a pilot for MANY years. He has read and reread various pilot manuals already. As a homeschool mom, I am looking for the best way to get him to his goal. Do you have to attend a known flight university or aviation degree to get the reduction of required flight time to 1000 hours? Or is that with any 4 year degree? Thank you for the informative video!
So you need a degree in anything, if you were to go to a aviation collage would that benefit you in the recruitment process?
is there airlines that pay for your training and hire you after you get your license?
If I have B.S in construction management, is it count for 4 years college? Do I need to get BS in aviation? Please help
I would like to ask if getting a four year degree is the right route. I understand it makes a difference in recruiting, but as an individual I cannot pay thousands of dollars for a four year degree. If I don’t get a degree, I’m wondering if I can still be a commercial pilot on a good salary.
What are online places you recommend?
Great video! Could I get a sports scholarship if I do the university route? I could get a scholarship for my sport and could get cheaper college. Is that possible?
How do these airlines have a pilot shortage but have 20,000+ applications?
Im new. What is the degree portion? Im about to sign up to a non university, ive narrowed it down to two. One is 7 months, the other is 1 year. Neither has mentioned a degree.
does it matter which college I went and what major I take?
So can you not go to flight school if you don’t have a degree?
How does the military route work? Is it the same as the civilian route except that you gain your hours through military aircraft? What are the pros and cons in taking this route? Thanks!
It pays wayyy less
What do you mean when you say if you have a 4 year degree you can go directly to flight school
can you talk about how to transfer your license from other countries to the United sates? I'm in the Us Army, and I'm planning to use my gi bill to enroll in one of the Va approved flight school in the Philippines. Once I've accumulated the required flight hours here in the States, I'll comeback here and try to get a Job from one of the Legacy airlines. It'd be nice to already have an idea on how to transfer license from one country to another. thank you.
So let’s say I wanna fly for an airline what is normally the degree they want you to have
What are your thoughts on legacy cadet programs? I’m looking at American Airlines Cadet Program. It’s expensive, but I’m wondering if it really is a fast track to get to fly with AA
Hi there,
Great question. Are there any benefits they offer to you other than your ratings which you can attain anywhere?
i wanna work for delta but it’s too expensive for me too get a 4 year degree plus training and everything else how much is a 4 year degreee
Thank you for the comparison. What do recommend for studying at a community college program first and obtaining a local license as a pathway to becoming a United (for example) pilot. Our local CCBC (Community College of Baltimore County in Baltimore MD) offers becoming a local pilot and then obtaining aviation instructor hours. Or is it better to just go for the BS.
Hi Claudinna
I went to community college for 2 years, transferred to a university for 2 years, all while attaining my flight ratings. My peers that attended big name aviation universities paid $250,000 for their licenses and degree. I attained both for less than $50,000. Keep in mind, I started community college in 1998.
Thanks
@@ocflightlessons this sounds like such a good option. Do you know if these days one could go to their local Junior college for their general ed, (get an AA in anything?), while working on private license flight hours, and then transfer into Embry Riddle and get the 4-year degree/college experience?
If I am a transitioning pre-operative, hormone supplementing, born male- with fantasies of flying for the airlines with an ATP and FAA First Class Medical- can I still be an airline pilot too?
What’s the military route
Sir
What about Masters degree from University? How much it costs?
How could you afford all of that? Thank you. Do you have any ideas on how?
But how do you guys complete all the flight training in 5 and a half months wouldn’t that really hard?
Hihi. I have a degree. Is it possible for me to get a loan for the flight school program in Canada? Thanks
How do u calculate ur flight hours and how do you show people your flight hours?
With your pilot logbook
What age will they basically stop considering you for a regional? Would they even consider someone who made a career change in their 40's?
Can Flight Training be done at a foreign school
Hello Omar, I wanted to know which Online Degree you would recommend to people who have completed their high school and are looking for a career as an airline pilot. Cuz as you said, it'll be better to have a degree when applying for jobs in the airlines... Ur reply will be appreciated
Hi Ibrahim,
I would recommend King Schools. I'm currently producing an online ground school that will be available in Q2 of 2023.
Thanks!
Is a 4 year degree from out of the United States acceptable?
hey!
If I got my degree in Russia, is it still viable?
Im 15 and this is my dream but I’m sooo scared I won’t pass a class 1
Just curious, what going to happen if I finish the path but having a massive layoff like what happened on Tech field last year😢
This happened to me during 9/11. I was able to still find a pilot job. It’s something that may happen. It’s a risk just like anything in life
Hello sir i’m currently taking my lessons at a local flight school. I just got my PPL and working towards my instrument rating and eventually to a commercial license. I have a bachelor’s degree but I got it from another country. Will that still be acceptable or do I need to get a degree here in the U.S?
Same question
Do you have an answer?
The airlines don’t require a degree. And there’s a reason for that.
It’s really any degree ? It doesn’t need to be aviation related at all? Asking because I have a bachelors in environmental science and not sure if that is what’s being asked by big airlines when asking if you have a degree
I wish I started young, I've always wanted to become a pilot. I love airplane ✈️
You can still do it, I know people who started at 50 and made it happen. The pilot shortage is a real thing
@avestuart thanks I'm 40.. I think I still have shot.
Yes you do. In 2010, I was a captain based in Phoenix. On one of my trips, my new hire first officer was 51 years old.
Is there any significant difference in pay between a pilot with an associate vs a pilot with a bachelor's degree? If there is no real pay difference the cost of a uni is hard to justify when a local collage would cost 24000 for an associate and drop flight requirements down to 1250
There is no difference in pay. I went to a junior college, transferred to a UC, and saved tons of money.
What if you only have a 2 year bachelor's degree?
Great info. I have a curve ball for you though. I am a duel US/CAD white male with aprox 1200 hrs bush flying exp. as a commercial/instrument pilot and a bachelor's degree. Life dictated some changes and now I'm 44 and havent flown for 12 years. Have been looking at restarting that career hopefully achieving an airline position. Any thoughts on path forward and realistic likelihood of achieving an airline position?
Thank you.
Ben
Realistic: heck ya. In 2010, when I was a Phoenix based captain, my new hire first officer was a 51 year old Wall Street banker that quit and became a pilot.
Path: Go find a seasoned instructor and have him put you thru the motions. Any good instructor can get you going in 20-25 hours with the amount of time you have. I’d say spend about 1-2 months studying at home for 1-2 hours a day and another 20 hours with your CFI proving you know what you know.
Good luck! You can do it
@@ocflightlessons that is awesome to hear. Thanks for the info/encouragement. A bit more of a challenge these days with a family etc. I would anticipate wanting to go for my multi engine instrument instructor in the process of "getting back up to speed". Perhaps also in effort to improve my chances of landing a reasonable job. Worth the time/cost in your estimation to go for the ME II? Or better to streamline it another way?
What website can I get a online degree
So say I complete a flight training program, would it be possible to earn my bachelors while working as a CFI or regional airline pilot?
Hi Anthony
Absolutely, I attended UC Irvine full time while flight instructing.
Best wishes,
Omar
Sir, please I want to apply for pilot training and I made an in inquiry about L3 Aviation academy. Sir do you know about the school?
Are the major airlines still requiring covid vaccination??
I like this channel and I have 1 degrees already and going to a local flight school. I looked into several large and small university flight schools and I have not seen one over $150 ALL-IN. Meaning degree (professional pilot degree or something aviation) with hours of flight time, etc.
The two I looked at were under 100k.
Important to note if you want to go and get your Associates degree and do flight school, it’s somewhere around 70-80k. AND it’s no longer 1,000 hours for an R-ATP, it’s 1,250 hours. Still better than 1,500 though. Something to be aware of.
Whoops. Couldn’t edit. 2 degrees already.
It’s 1250 for an associates aviation degree program, 1000 for an aviation bachelor program
Can anyone tell me what degree I would need or can It be any?
Hi, I’m a senior in high school and like you said in the video the cost is too much for university, from what I’ve read I don’t need a degree in flying specifically, it can be anything. I’m thinking of going to community college then transferring to a university to finish up my bachelors, so I can save money. After that or while I’m in college I’ll prolly go to an accelerated flight school or academy, after that I’ll work to get my 1500 hours. Does that seem like a smart way to go about this? Any advice?
90% of our students are enrolling in the accelerated programs at this time. Best wishes
Can you do a vid on the military route
I did provide some information on a post above, it's quite long but it might help you think about getting started.
Is 40 to late to become commercial piolet
Hello there Sir, i just wanted to clarify about the 4 year education section. You mentioned youre more competitive having a Bachelor’s degree in any subject. So it doesnt have to be in aviation? I have a Bachelor’s degree in Health Science majored in Medical Laboratory Sciences and planned to change career to becoming a pilot (completing my private pilot right now). Is that enough to cover the education category?
It does not have to be aviation. The airlines literally won't care if your degree is in basket weaving. They just want to see that it is a 4 year degree.
Does it matter what school u get the degree from and also does diploma work ?
Hi,
I would recommend an accredited school.
Thanks
My son wants to be a pilot. He is a senior in high school. Would you recommend the online aviation degree from North Dakota and then getting his license at our local flight school? We are in San Antonio, Texas.
Try Liberty university
hi i am 15 I am in grade 9 where would I start what should I learn early
I would start with an online ground school to get the written tests out of the way. We just launched ours: Flightacademyonline.com
I have a 2 year associates degree in applied science. Is that enough to go to my local flight school right away or do I need the 4 year.
Hi Mike
I would start taking an accelerated course at a flight school. Begin instructing after. Apply at the regionals, all while completing your 4 year degree online.
Thanks!
Omar
What a person who is 51 years old such as I I've been driving truck 28 years I'm interested in doing something different
When you say do you have your 4 year degree does it need to be in aviation? Or any 4 year degree?
Hi Chris,
Your degree can be in anything. My degree was in Social Science from UC Irvine. Airlines don't really care what the degree is in, and to be honest, most are not caring about degrees much anymore. I was hired 2 months before graduating so the airline scheduled me for a later training class date.
Bet of luck!