Ok, I agree that if Firestar was rejected he wouldn't be like Scourge, but I disagree that Tiny, if he was accepted, would still be a ruthless villain. Tiny may not be as great as Firestar, but I don't think he'd turn out as bad as he did. I think Tiny would've turned out like Dustpelt or maybe Longtail, aggressive, but not evil.
Yeah, I mean if he’d been accepted that would’ve taken away part of his emotional trauma because he was messed up because of fear of being thrown in the river, which is also fear of rejection, then being attacked by Tigerpaw(claw) only made that fear of rejection worse.
tinys rage and brutality came from being cast out by the people he cared about and being treated like he was worthless. the lack of acceptance drove him up a wall, and honestly, having been scared out of his home, then attacked probably was what set him off. if instead of thistleclaw and tigerpaw being in the patrol with bluefur, having been instead patrolling with thrushpelt or something and been teated with kindness and been accepted im absolutely possative he would have turned out to be good. being treated with acceptance when no one else was showing him that kindness would have been a deciding factor for him. he would probably have grown to be a great warrior, and learned that kindness does more good then ruthelessness. now he might be a character to have done the wrong things for the right reasons! or even been aggressive to unnaccepting cats but not evil. maybe have some inner turmoil or unresolved feelings about his past but again. not evil or rutheless.
It's worth noting that when Rusty first goes into the forest in Into the Wild, he DOES get attacked- by Greypaw. He's nearly chased off and if he'd continued to run away nothing would've come of it, but he defines himself starkly in that he turns to face Greypaw and fights back instead of running away. That's why he was invited into the clan where Tiny never would've been even if he'd met Greypaw instead of Tigerpaw. Rusty impressed the clan cats with his courage and initiative. Even if Tiny had been attacked by the more affable Greypaw instead of the brutal Tigerpaw/Thistleclaw, Tiny still would almost certainly have reacted to the situation by running away, because that's just how he handled conflict at that point in his character arc. Tiny is not a natural leader, and achieved his eventual status through lies and deceit. Firestar on the other hand gets to where he ends up because of his preexisting courage, loyalty, and initiative. it's kind of silly to compare his arc to Firestar's when they're very starkly different characters right out of the starting gate. XD
I though tiny tried to fight tigerpaw back but he was just way to massive and strong While graypaw was an apprentice that rusty easily matched, graypaw didnt try to kill rusty, but tigerpaw almost DID kill tiny and had to be stopped by bluefur Whereas graypaw, lionheart, and bluestar complimented rustys abilities
People's views on Scourge change based on which book they read first. If they read 'the darkest path' first, they think of him as a murderer. If they read 'the rise of Scourge' first, they end up feeling bad for him.
Wait.... Firestar, Bluestar, Scourge, and Graystripe are related... o-o Graystripe's mate is Silverstream, who's father is Crookedstar, who's brother is Oakheart, who's mate is Bluestar, who's sister is Snowfur, who's son is Whitestorm, who's daughter is Sorreltail, who's mate is Brackenfur, who's sister is Cinderpelt, whos sister is Brightheart, who's mate was Cloudtail, who's uncle was Firestar, who's half-brother is Scourge. You hear that? It's the sounds of minds being blown across the world... edit 29/06/2020: y'all are getting too pressed over a three year old comment. i get it. they're in-laws. you're not a fucking showstopper for figuring it out. 🙄
Maya Is offline Which book was this introduced? I have read- All books but the one where Yellow fang dies in the First Arcade And the entirety of the rest of the arcs.
Well, they don't mention it in the books, but the eren's say so. warrior-cats.wikia.com/wiki/Scourge warrior-cats.wikia.com/wiki/Firestar warrior-cats.wikia.com/wiki/Jake
or maybe because of his past :T He ran away from his home because of his siblings, he got mauled by Tigerpaw, then chased a dog away. Think about it, he wasn't pressured by the rogues, if you're saying they made him make the clan, he made it himself. He has barely been shown kindness in his past, thus turning him evil. Think about, chum bucket :T
a lot. of people don't realize that russetfur has no clan blood. she was born a rogue named red along with Boulder. they joined at the same time but Boulder wanted to keep his name. yet russetfur also complains about thunderclan having too much kittypet blood, yet. shadowclan has had way more kittypets and rogues in there clan. it's either russetfur forgot her rogue life or the erins forgot that she was a rogue once. suggestion
I feel like the Erins often are forgetful, but as a writer I can be too, which is why I write down important key points in my books. No where is is more painfully stated than in Power of Three and Omen of Stars, where the plot is all over the damn place and it never goes anywhere.
EveryThingGirl238 - TRUTH. This is why you need to start writing down the important things to remember. I’m currently writing my fanmade Warrior Cats parallel universe where there’s a completely different set of clans based around our four seasons (with the names we call them. For example, there isn’t a Leaf-bare Clan, but there is a WinterClan. No Green-leaf Clan, but a SummerClan, etc etc.) and i have a google doc where there’s stuff like their modified version of the codes, how many gatherings have been held, how old everyone is, etc. I also wrote other stories but that’s just a Warriors related example that I’m making where everything has to be written down. I can forget things like a pelt pattern for a character (say, like a character Loudsong that’s in my “book”). I imagine her as what she is, but for another character (i.e. Risingstorm) I forget his pelt pattern (he is a tom that basically looks like Leopardstar with darker brown-to-black paws). This is why I like to write things down, so that way I don’t forget a single thing. Especially stuff like how many lives leaders have left, etc. TL;DR: KEEP TRACK OF YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU’RE WRITING A STORY, ITS VERY VERY IMPORTANT
Yeah. Also, most shadow clan cats have at least a little kitty pet/rouge blood, because when shadow clan was being made, they accepted in a bunch of rouges and kitty pets.
Brindleface is both Sandstorm and Ashfur's mother, they are half siblings. Ashfur is Squirrelflight's half uncle. Ashfur goes insane over the love for his niece.
Well it's not very obvious. The only reason we know Brindleface and Sandstorm are related is because of statements by the authors. It was never said, or even implied, in the books. This is why I don't really care about incest relationships unless it is stated in the books or easily noticeable that they are related. For example, Ivypool and Fernsong.
KoolKeldeo 105 Um remember when Brindleface died it stated that “sandpaw and ashpaw mourned for moons” because they were both spawns of her. sandstorm soon kitted to squirrel. ash liked squirrel. squirrel is niece. uncle is incest and deserved death, but it’s also another reason he should go to dark forest cause he started a forest fire just to explain his expansional love for squirrel in which she didn’t show back. basically he’s the poster child for incest
Oh man, great insight on this! I love how you showed that comparing Cloudtail to Firestar really helps to build Firestar as an exceptional character. I also appreciate that you reject the idea that Firestar and Scourge were just in the right and wrong situations for their development, hence why they turn out the way they do - that kind of characterization is way too simple for my taste. I think they do make for one good comparison that I touched on in my Scourge video in that they both fully commit to their respective paths and personalities and through this it's shown that the Warrior Code and StarClan still trumps BloodClan. But yeah, awesome point and good job getting another one out so fast :O
Thanks! It was originally just a video talking about how good of a character Cloudtail was and how he helps make Firestar's character even better, (which can be said about most of the supporting cast) but then suddenly thought about the Scourge comparison and it all got rewritten. lol Also, yes, you're video about Scourge is totally on point! That's the way that Firestar and him should be compared to each other, instead of the whole half-brother thing that is barely mentioned at all. I was working on videos non-stop this weekend, but I think I'm good for a while. *sweats*
what I love about Firestar is that he came to a point where the only one standing in his way of acceptance was himself. Eventually the rest of the clan just kind of got over it (excluding obvious exceptions like Tigerstar), but Firestar was the one who kept questioning himself. I love your comparison to Cloudtail- all these factors show that Firestar was never the perfect guy people interpret him as. He's strong-willed but also insecure to an extent that he stands in his own way at times during the first series without having to just directly state it, and that's why I got to attached to him. I feel like a case where they did this poorly was Bramblestar- I love him, but his insecurities are just directly stated throughout every struggle he has. They always just state that he's worried it's because he's Tigerstar's son. Firestar's vulnerabilities were subtle enough to be recognised without just throwing them out there.
Also can I just say that something that should be talked about more is the fact that cloudtail literally almost and would have gotten himself killed by scourge if firestar hadn’t been resurrected when he was, simply because of how furious he was that firestar was dead and I don’t think people realize this but cloudtail in no way shape or form thought that firestar would come back from the dead because of his lack of belief in starclan He must have been utterly devastated and something I would love to see is cloudtails initial reaction when he sees firestar one of the closest things he’s ever considered family lying dead on the ground
I feel like something that the first series of the Warriors books did really well was make almost every single character meaningful to the story, and Cloudtail is a great example of this. In the recent books the side characters are kind of just there to make up a clan and there isn't anything for them to do like Cloudtail being the parallel to Fireheart, Cinderpelt and Yellowfang both helping Fireheart find his own character but in completely different ways, or Bluestar as Fireheart's strong role model (until he has to learn from her mistakes). As the books progress, I feel the important side characters get pushed to the side in order for there to be more main characters.
Sorry, that was a long comment; but anyway you did a good really good job of explaining the connection between Fireheart/star and Cloudtail, which is something I hadn't thought much about before. I can't wait to see more content like this.
NO! Stop it, it's SK-OR-G damn it! This is my hill to die on - I will fight to the last and jump into a fire before I concede to that barbaric pronunciation!
Look who's calling who barbaric! I don't know what they taught you in school, but in mine they taught us how to read! Check yourself before you wreck yourself, son!
And when you read Scourge, bluestar wasn't even a leader yet! And Tigerclaw was still an apprentice! so Scourge was older than Fireheart! is this correct Tennelle?
Loooove you Tennelle these are so great! I was waiting for you to bring up the Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw relationship being what Scourge and Firestar was "trying" to be haha Great food for thought thanks again for another great video!
BlueMaroon|Sarah Goran when I was looking through the comments and it said that you said I'm 11 and I'm better but when I press on it it says this but the thing is is that I said in a different video I said I'm 11 and I'm better
Do you mind discussing religion in the warriors world? As you know, some of the characters (Like Cloudtail and Mothwing) don't believe in Starclan. I've always thought that didn't make sense because there is literal proof of Starclan's existence through all the clan leaders being blessed with nine lives. Could the cats who don't believe in Starclan have been influenced by their past or is it just apart of their character?
Box Fish Mothwing thinks having nine lives doesn't have to do with any thing about StarClan, she would probably think you were born with it but never truly find out until you're a leader, but is never mentioned in the book. The only thing that IS mentioned in the book is her not believing in StarClan and the code and the dreams. I couldn't think this was acted on by herself or a point of character, however that Tigerstar and Sasha were her parents, Tigerstar never really admitted to liking StarClan, which he really doesn't. And Sasha doesn't believe which is understandable, she's a rogue/loner. This may have inflicted on Mothwing greatly because she-cats/females are always easy to believe things. Offensive but true. Mothwing only didn't believe because of Tigerstar, Sasha, and Hawkfrost. Why Hawkfrost? He put the moth wing by the medicine cat's den entrance and everyone thought it was a sign from StarClan. This could've proven to Mothwing that Clan cats can take any foolish things and say ‘it's a message from StarClan’ proving to her that StarClan isn't real.
I believe the reason Mothwing doesn't believe in StarClan is because of Hawkfrost's putting a moth's wing for Mudfur to find. As for Cloudtail, perhaps it's because Princess and/or the neighboring kittypets/loners/rogues shoved their believes, not having any, onto Cloudtail--he's demonstrated that he does not have a religion, StarClan being the only one he knows?
Mothwing's lack of faith comes from her family and the actions of her family. I'm pretty sure Cloudtail's lack of faith is the plot... though it might have something to do with his brash personality and the fact that he's never _seen_ StarClan, which is the number one point most atheists make. Also, having a leader who openly disses StarClan could have helped since people often find it easier to believe or feel something openly when they know someone else believes or feels the same way. Despite him having a fervently religious uncle, Bluestar went off the deep end near the end and probably gave Cloudpaw (an apprentice at the time) the courage to accept how he felt and be open about it. Also, it was stated that Cloudtail had thought StarClan's legends were lumped in with all the other stories. He spent a lot of time around the elders listening to their stories! Were I him, I'd think tigers and lions were myths as well. Hence why he'd lump in StarClan with TigerClan and LionClan. I mean, we do the same thing, too, right? We don't believe in giants. Many of us aren't religious, we believe in the world, not the mythical. Unicorns and cyclopses are obviously mythical creatures. So when spoken in the same light as God or gods, then we'd correctly assume that they're cousin stories and mean the same thing: real morals, fake adventures.
This is the first video I have watched by you.... AND I LOVE IT! You seem very straight to the point with your delivery. Like you have set script that was well written. Not to mention you are very good at the "RUclips voice" ya know, making sure everyone can hear you, understand you, and feel like your full of energy, and excited to talk about the topic, and very intelligent. Your points are solid, and have plenty of evidence to back them up, you seem like you genuinely know what you are talking about. As someone who dreams of someday making a youtube channel and making similar videos about Warriors, and other books I like, you are a true inspiration. You have earned a subscriber!
TennelleFlowers I'm a long way from actually making videos, I have no editor. I can't draw art for videos, and no microphone. But it's something I'm still working towards.
I have to say, your viewpoint on this topic and all the supportive facts are incredible. I love how you can also portray your own frustrations and opinions without letting it HURL ALL THE LEGITNESS (i know I'll spell the correct word wrong, lol) OUT THE WINDOW as I have seen with other people on youtube and in day-to-day conversations with my friends. Also, this entire idea is a shining ray of intelligence shining off your pelt! You were able to see this relationship and writing between Cloudtail and Fireheart, understanding the attempts skerg- (aha) firestar relationship had- both of which I missed. This also shows some flaws of a character people claim to be a 'mary-sue' due to his 'perfection'-which I love to see. Firestar's crippling anxieties about never being accepted and EXTREMELY POWERFUL WILL (which has gotten him in trouble- disobeying a crazy bitch and feeding your enemies before your dying children) far from perfect him- and actually surprise me that these are his chosen flaws, considering the nerve it took to get there, showing the true comparison of thought vs action. My fingers hurt so I'll leave now .-.
Bringing up that in Tiny's place, Rusty still wouldn't have become a bloodthirsty villain like Scourge, reminded me of the Next Up Forever Warriors Animatic AU by Sarah Sellers- DragonwolfRooke. It follows a universe in which Tiny was accepted into Thunder Clan, but Rusty was turned away, and from there it shows Tiny still making 'Scourge-like' decisions within Thunder Clan while Rusty (along with Barley and Violet, I think) makes 'Fire Clan' in Twolegplace. Fire Clan is not a group of bloodthirsty cats, but cats who decide to look out for each other using the forest clans' model for structure, as told to them by Yellowfang (who Rusty still takes in by showing compassion for). I'd recommend it if you haven't seen it. That said, I really wish the kittypet xenophobia was more challenged/left behind as time goes on. You'd think that Firestar and Cloudtail, Daisy's kits, and, on the evil-powerhouse side of the former kittypet spectrum, DARKTAIL would have long set to rest a majority of the stereotypes around kittypets. Alas, not so.
I had been watching your simmy speaks stuff and I agree completely with the cloudtail and fireheart thing, and that Scourge isn't very similar to them, but it still bugs me that people neglect the fact that when Tiny went into the city, he was a kitten in a harsh place that learned killing and a lack of mercy was how to handle things and was rewarded for it by the way he was treated, respected and feared. He became so dark because of the influences on his TINY mind when he was still small and looking for a place to fit in, to go. The clans, mainly thunderclan, weren't as harsh as the city cats were, and though he met the wrong cats, there could be a potential he'd turn out more like thistleclaw if he did get into the clan, who wasn't evil but was battle hungry. It's a confusing one to try and explain, I have to try and get into his psyche more, but I hope I make sense, his upbringing would of been the 50/50 chance he'd turn out various different ways, aside from being cynical and well, a kid, he didn't show any signs of Scourge until the city, he was a kitten who was small, helpless, and fragile from his personality to his physical self. Had he been raised without siblings or had his siblings actually been nice to him, then yes, I would of said he'd of likely turned out like firestar, curious about the forest with wanderlust. If he hadn't gotten a sense of power and support from being in the city, he might of still been afraid of Tigerclaw, or as he got older he might of become bold and instead would still hate Tigerstar and want to fight him, but not turn out the dark edge lord of bloodclan. One of those alternate path kind of things, he was just that poor kid in the wrong side of town playing pokemon go and got recruited into a gang. Again I hope I make sense, I kinda ramble a bit, but yeah what made Scourge was the harshness of the city and how he learned that if he wanted results an respect he had to be ruthless and get blood on his claws, in a loving family-like environment that would be different. Oh! And the last important thing to touch on is the fact that he killed someone, up until then he was a kid living smugly in the city, I mean it wasn't important but he wanted to collect some dog hair as a second trophy which sounds more like a kid perspective thing than a scourge perspective thing, scourge was much more brutal and wanted to pull out teeth instead of Tiny who had used an old tooth that had fallen out of a dog and shedded dog fur and made up stories to seem cooler, like most kids did. The thing that defined peoples morals are what they killed, who they killed, and how much they killed. If you told someone to shoot their deer they wouldn't do it, right? Unless they were a hunter they couldn't kill an animal because they've never experienced taking someones life, they'd have a sense of dread that grips them until they did it, and then they'd feel numb to it, they'd feel nothing because they feared at first that if they killed something it'd make them even more of a monster, and after doing something like that they can't go back from it. It's another step if they kill their own kind and a step below killing if they're around an animal death but didn't cause it. You'd expect the worst from it, but when it's finally over, you don't feel a consequence, you just feel numb to it. Scourge acknowledges that he felt numb to it and that after you do that, you can't go back from it. Also goddamn that cat died easy, a single scratch to the throat? Scourge in this position though wasn't so quick to attack them and was letting the taunts start to get to him if he wasn't determined to prove them wrong. Where he may of been like with Firestar is in a clan not only is the vibe very different, but they rarely ever killed a cat even in battles. After that, he became scourge, this was a thorough analyzation of his character from the psychological aspect of a runt trying to fit in and earn respect, had the strays called horse shit on how he got his fang he'd of probably cowered back because he really hadn't done anything yet. Any pointers? Theories? Opinions?
I read a great fanfic of Tiny actually telling them that he lied about the dog tooth. They chased him and he wound up in Riverclan. It was a better alternative for him. Its called Tinyclaw on Fanfiction.net
Am I the only one that sees how similar Firestar and Russetfur are. They both become respected members of their clans, both chose to leave behind their house folk, and have learned not to be ashamed of their kittypet heritage.
Something I wanna see is just see a Kittypet as a main character again. The difference is that this Kittypet has some balls and straight up tells the clan cats how there acting is total crap. "Oh no,I wasn't born in a clan-who cares,I still fight and I can hunt. My worth is far more then the blood I have or the nest I was born in." I just kinda wanna see a Kittypet cut deep without being a villian tbh.
I loved the writing for Fireheart struggling to become warrior. It wasn't like some cliche 'Oh, I naturally fit in and I know it' thing, he questions his position and wonders if he was meant to be a warrior. I'm a little disappointed he lost that personality when he became leader.
i greatly appreciate this video! i was never pleased with how scourge was written because he just popped in out of nowhere with out any development to be the big bad. he gave us an anti-climactic ending with tigerstar and just over all feels like the "2 edgy 4 u" shadow the hedgehog cat. >>; it could have been better if they foreshadowed him at all! especially cool if they did show signs of any kind of parallel at the beginning. but we all know that the manga was an after thought, so there isn't really any chance for that. cloud tail's comparison is clear to me! and very pertinent to the flow of the story.
Scourge is meant to be the "what if" to Firestar in my opinion. It's why he's such a great villain. The story practically revolves around stopping the big bad Tigerstar, but Firestar is not a relentless killer and doesn't just slaughter Tigerstar. Scourge achieved in a few pages what Firestar practically wanted since Tigerstar tried to kill Bluestar. Their biggest similarity is their goal to find someplace where they are accepted. Firestar is accepted by cats who are generally good. Scourge is accepted by selfish and violent cats. They both experienced rejection in the beginning, but the cats they wanted to be accepted by are very different.
Hm, also in the case of Firestar, if you read Bluestar's prophecy then it talks about how the cats frequently saw Rusty watching the forest from his Twoleg nest while the cat's patrolled the borders. Bluestar actually planned for Rusty and Graypaw to meet up, so it's highly unlikely that Rusty would have been rejected.
I definately agree with your points about the differences between Firestar and Scourge. Scourge is one of my favourite characters, but I've always thought that his backstory was never written right. I (personally) believe, that Scourge should have been a scarred physically, by Tigerstar. His gentle kittypet family would be shocked by his appearance and would turn their backs on him. So, it makes more sense for Scourge to hate Tigerstar. He ruined his life. That's just my hot tea though. If you have a different opinion, that's fine.
I am really enjoying these! I look forward to more :D And I really like that comparison of Firestar to Cloudtail, I like I like. So much more than to Scourge. I never found them alike. Especially because the books never actually mention that Scourge is Firestar's brother. I'm not even so sure they say he was specifically a kittypet? So yeah, I don't see how Firestar would see himself in Scourge in any way. He just sees him as a threat to his home ALSO if you ever need extra art for anything, let me know, and I'll see if I can help c: Can always DM me over on the tweets
scourge was a kittypet even tho it may not say exactly in the books, in the rise of scourge 'manga' it shows that he lived in a twoleg house untill he ran away because of his siblings
To be honest if Scourge did get accepted into the clan what would he be called? And would he ever meet Firestar? When Rusty/Firestar comes into the clan would Scourge be an apprentice or a warrior? (Most likely warrior) but like what ever happens to Scourge's collar if he was accepted!! If Scourge was accepted what would be his future? BC if you think about it Scourge might not be such a horrible and bad cat we all know him to be, but if he did still go down the same path what exactly would happen to him? And since Scourge was accepted into the clan how exactly would Tigerstar die? Would Blood Clan ever be created? Say Scourge was called DarkClaw would he ever have a mate or kits, what would happen to him? Would he forever be an outside or would he finally be part of the whole clan? These are questions you have to think about when you think something else might have happened, with Firestar when he first came into the clan he was Rusty, he was challenged by Longtail and that lead in a epic but kinda a turning point battle, during the fight Longtail broke Rusty's collar which then he becomes Firepaw at the end of the fight, would Scourge ever meet the same "welcome" like Firestar did when he was first introduced to the clan, Scourge could have been challenged by Tigerpaw and in the same battle Tigerpaw could have broken Scourge's collar but by the end imagine if Scourge gave Tigerpaw the nose cut instead of in the beginning of Into the Wild a fight breaks out between Thunderclan and Riverclan and Tigerclaw gets slashed in the face.
Names for clan scourge: whiteclaw or whitefoot, cloudfoot, snowfoot, tinyclaw, tinytail, tinyfoot, tinytooth, whitetooth, houndclaw, houndfang, dogfang, My personal favorite is houndclaw
Scourge is a broken soul who needs love, family, and friends. He was bullied when he was a kit and was beat up by THE BIG, THE BAD, TIGERSTARRRRRRRRRR!!!! Poor Scourge. I really do feel bad for him. He was just a lonely kittypet like Firestar. Expect, Firestar had a friend. I bet Scourge might have had an urge to join one of the Clans ( ShadowClan in particular in my opinion ). As LZRD WZRD said, he is the perfect villain. But he didn't have to be a villain. He could have been a good guy like Firestar and use his awesome fighting skills for good. I love Scourge. Scourge deserves a second chance. I saw the potential and the determination in him. Scourge is a great cat. I really think so. If only Scourge chose to do good instead of evil. Thanks for reading.
True. I'm pretty sure Scourge would never ever want to join any of the Clans. But if he would to consider joining one of the Clans, he would more likely kill the current leader of that Clan in order to be leader and take control of the entire forest. And yes, Scourge is a cold hearted killer. But did he really have to be a cold hearted killer? Villains can change. He could have had that chance to change.
You're very good at delivering speeches like this! I've watched all 3 of these "Simmy Speaks", and I've really enjoyed them! You just earned a new subscriber ^^
You are such an amazing youtuber! It's great to see the Warriors community come together in such a large platform like RUclips. I myself have only read 'into the wild' and most of 'Bluestars prophecy'( almost done reading it) but I can already infer how amazing this sierise will be. You have earned my subscription
Actually it is because of the things you discussed in your video why Cloudtail is my favorite warrior besides Yellowfang. I am happy to have found your channel!
Right now I'm on the fourth book in warriors, rising storm, I read the first three books in three days. The first things you say in this blows my mind, and I decide to click, Watch Later. I'm not mad, just, surprised.
I just want to say something. Please remember the rise of scourge took place BEFORE Firestar joined Thunderclan. This is proved in the Manga after noticing Bluestar was actually Bluefur and she and thistleclaw were Tigerpaw's mentor. Tigerpaw becomes Tigerstar. And Firestar who was Rusty at the time joined when Tigerpaw was actually TIGERCLAW. And Bluefur Was actually BlueSTAR. Which means they grew up quite alot. Also. For those who say scourge was pressured by rogues. He wasnt. He was told he would get thrown in the river so he ran into the forest. He got attacked by Tigerpaw and left into the city. He defeated a dog for the rogues. The rogues began to bring gifts and ask for help from scourge. All that i say has been stated in the Manga. Then Tigerpaw/Tigerstar offered Scourge and bloodclan a chance to live in the forest, Scourge to be mates with one of his cats ( I believe it was Tawnypelt. ) But tigerstar becomes leader of the forest. Tigerstar then thought scourge was a traitor after scourge said '' There will be no battle today. We fight when we want'' And he tried attacking scourge which led to him loosing all 9 lives. How Tigerstar lost all his lives from a single blow?- Well. For those who havent read the book yet, Scourge hit 9 organs in tigerstar. Thats how he lost all his lives from one blow.
So he hit the heart, both lungs, stomach, intestines, kidneys, cut through a bunch of bloodvessels, and possibly also the windpipe.... After all he scratched down from the throat to the groin with clawed dog teeth. Ouch that sounds painful
I always loved Cloudtail he’s a breath of fresh air. Even though he was kinda annoying (but the “annoying” ones are always my favorite.) I loved his personality and him with Brightheart was even better
Aw Scourge isn't an evil psychopath. It was TigerPaw's fault. Scourge just wanted revenge, especially against TigerStar for Killing Bluestar. He loved Bluestar because she saved him. Hmmm.... Firestar.. Nothing wrong with what you said about him. I agree Cloudkit is a little Brat
I meant Scourge hated Tigerpaw because he attacked him and I didn't mean he LOVED Bluefur I meant He remembered her but he didn't remember her name. Although Tigerpaw isn't the only one who drove Scourge to kill his Sister and brother were horrible
Sparky the pokemon AJ Look my friend, anyone can be bullied. Its how they respond that makes someone into an evil psychopath. Scourge didnt have to go down that path because he was bullied. There is no one to blame but himself. He walked that path because he chose it. Period.
That's a super super great comparison, something that I totally missed having read the first arc in the 4th-5th grade. But it is true that you can't think of Cloudtail without thinking of Firestar! I like to think that another source of comparison/contrast is between Bluestar's leadership and Firestar's, how he does learn things from her, but how he also chooses to act oppositely from her. Because she wasn't exactly the best leader...nor is Firestar, nor is any leader frankly. But to have these echoes of past leadership affect how Firestar makes decisions is so interesting to me
I kinda wish you would spoiler warnings at the beginning if these videos specifying which books because I was greeted with the fact that Firestar and Scorge are half brothers because you have great insight on many points with in these videos you make and would like to either relate or debate to them but I also would like to not have the books spoiled for me so if you could put warnings that would be appreciated but yet again these are your videos and don't have to X3
youre forgetting that felidae didnt make much, and also that it is a very old movie. the laws on what could be in a childrens film were vague and blurred. also, felidae is NOT an american or british movie. it's german. the laws were probably different.
Oh my god please don't make it like Felidae. Firestar, you're better than that! *(CLICK 'READ MORE' AT YOUR OWN RISK!)* A brief, gory summary of Felidae: -The main character randomly has sex in the middle of the film* -All of the cats being murdered are aroused at the time -There's a cat cult where they all electrocute themselves to death.. and they show it all happening -A pregnant cat is killed and her womb is ripped open, revealing the dead kittens inside -The main villain has acid poured on their flesh in a flashback -Quite a lot of swearing *which was a REALLY dumb idea, as the whole aroused-cats-being-murdered thing suggested that some kind of sex appeal was involved. Surely, hopping off a windowledge to go tap that was basically asking to be killed?
I wonder how the world would be if Scourge and FireStar we're switched,as in they switched places Scourge would be the brother to Princess and FireStar would be in Scourges place in the beginning.
ohhh can u make a rant on the tribe of rushing water THERE SO SCREWD UP FOR DOING THAT TO STORMPAW AND MAKING HIS SISTER DIE SHARPTOOTH SHOULD OF KILLED THEM ALL..... back to the point anyways for all u haters who dont like her SHUT UP AND JUST WALK AWAY DONT LEAVE HATE COMMENTS
Actually, Feathertail CHOSE to sacrifice herself. The Tribe cats didn't realize she was the 'silver cat' in the prophecy until she leaped at the rock and brought it down at Sharptooth, killing him in the end. The Tribe cats were fearing for their lives as a mountain lion prowled outside their cave; it would make sense for them to be extremely desperate for a savior, especially with the Teller of The Pointed Stones going senile as he grows older and closer to his death in Sign of The Moon.
Bruno Kunda Well Firestar is not much a prick than the other clan cats. The only time firestar bring a prick is with family, love, death and trust sometime. That is the same thing people deal with.
I was watching this video when a commercial of the 'Little Live Pets' came on, and it showed a white cat with a fluffy tail Thought about the cutest but sassiest cat I could know, Cloudtail!
Did everyone forget about Firestar's scar above his head when he fought Longtail? "Rusty could feel a cut stinging above his eye." Sorry this is off topic. It just popped up in my head. Also, great video Simmy!
Hello. I agree with this statement, I would also like to add something of my opinion though, Cloudtail only took his life for granted because he was treated differently, remember, he had no idea he was a kittypet until he asked Fireheart, with his feelings hurt, starting to feel like an outsider already, as a KIT, he asked why they treat him differently, Fireheart told him why, Cloudtail didn't understand, he was a kit, he had no memory of being a kittypet. He was treated differently even though he was raised in the clans, so yeah, he's going to take it for granted, and he had pride in him self, something that's useful at times... but he did have a little too much pride, he looked up to Fireheart, he just wanted to be like him, but he never truly understood the code, not until the incident when he was taken by twolegs, thats when he got better... and since then he's always admired Fireheart and seen him as a role model, so the parallel is still better than the one with Firestar and Scourge, however, it isn't as great as you may think.... Because Cloudtail wasn't a jerk for no reason. He had a reason, he just pushed it a little bit at times... and the only reason we as readers were made at him for taking a life for granted that he's always had, (which is why he took it as granted by the way, if you're born into something you always take it for granted, just as the clan cats) Fireheart only saw it as taking the life for granted because Fireheart had to make the original fight against the kittypet hatred, and, having been with Fireheart for as long as we had at that point, we sympathized with him and shared his feelings and thoughts, but if you take an outside view of it, Cloudtail wasn't much different from the clan cats at all. (I felt it was important to say this, because Firestar is my favorite character, and I take everything involving him very seriously because he is overlooked time and time again, when he truly is the greatest character of the books. Afterall, "Warriors" was created/started for and with him. It's just evolved into a world sense then, a world that he mastered and shaped, even though he did it humbly, in a way that makes it easy to forget all he's done, because he did it in a way of humility, which gave other cats credit for his success. I see my self as a Firestar Defender. Defend his legacy at all times. This includes his kin. Scourge would not have become evil had he been accepted into the clans, his character at the beggining was sweet and kind, but he had the need to prove him self due to being the runt of his litter and bullied by his siblings... Firestar wouldn't have gone down the road Scourge did because he was naturally peaceful, and a natural leader, Scourge wasn't a natural leader, a natural leader doesn't need fear to rule. Firestar also had instincts for the wild. Scourge did not. Cloudtail also was not a "prick" he was complicated, if you take a look at his actions and the REASONS for his actions, you can see this. The same goes for most warriors which are looked at and judged once. Take another look at each one, and I can assure you, you won't be disappointed with the discoveries you make. Just be sure to keep an open mind, and try different angles to find what you never saw before.)
This is a very good argument, thank you for making this video even if its been like 6 years since you published this video. Also i would like to point out here if ThunderClan had accepted Scourge when he was Tiny, he would have found something to replace the feeling of loneliness put there by his siblings. When Tigerpaw attacked him he found himself being just as "pathetic and unless" as his siblings had tried to convince him to believe. Yes i hate Scourge but i would have been a lot different if he had joined ThunderClan, but then again if that had happened everything would have changed. Also sorry for all the points but the only reason Scourge became like he is now is because he had to kill and lie to gain respect and be able to protect himself from others. This just impressed something on him after a while and he couldn't stop. At this point Scourge half way through in my opinion went from a bullied/misunderstood character to being a true evil cat. Thank you for reading my opinion if you got this far.
I think it's because Tiny got tormented by his siblings as a kid which is why he turned out the way he did. If he didn't have siblings or his siblings were nice, he would still be a kittypet! The whole reason he left his twolegs is because of what Ruby said to him.
Exactly, Scourge let his fear control him unlike Firestar when he was only a new apprentice and Tigerstar was planning his murderous action against Bluestar. Yes, fear did get the better of Firestar when he found Tigerstar was going to hurt/kill Ravenpaw, but he was afraid for his best friend's life. Scourge was afraid of what would happen to him.
I bet that if things had been flipped, Rusty would have been like "well okay guess smudge was right they are hostile :/ guess not doin that" and tiny and tigerpaw would have become friends and plotted together
In my personal opinion, Firestar is sort of a Mary Sue. There are other cats in Warriors who are more Mary Sue, but Firestar just seems so perfect that it becomes annoying sometimes. This is just my opinion.
I absolutely love your OC. I have one similar to that, but she's a calico/tortie, whatever you want to call it, named Swiftwing. Also, FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH SCOURGE'S PRONUNCIATION
exactly. Tiny doesn't except defeat! Firestar breaks the trouble while Tiny or scourge causes it! But then again, I feel so disappointed that Firestar's half brother, Tiny would choose to live in fear, hate, and darkness instead of Firestar choosing the right path of good. And even if Firestar wasn't accepted in Thunderclan, He still had choices he could make before Firestar chose the same path as scrouge.
I agree with this, Firestar and Scourge(Tiny) are extremely different. Even if Scourge was accepted into the ranks of ThunderClan, i think he would of still been a villian.
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Yes, because Jake is scourge's father. Jake is Firestar's father. Jake is everyone's father.
Jake is your father.
.......refrences........
Jake: I AM YOUR FATHER.
Every cat in the books: ...
Moonkitti
LpsDerpaDerp WHAAAAAAT but... IM NO FURRY
Oh shit that's deep
Lol xD
Ok, I agree that if Firestar was rejected he wouldn't be like Scourge, but I disagree that Tiny, if he was accepted, would still be a ruthless villain. Tiny may not be as great as Firestar, but I don't think he'd turn out as bad as he did. I think Tiny would've turned out like Dustpelt or maybe Longtail, aggressive, but not evil.
YEEAAAAAAHHHHHH, i agree
Well im just Saying that scrounge went into the forest to prove to his sibs that he was strong and to not be thrown in a river for unwanted kits.
Yeah, I mean if he’d been accepted that would’ve taken away part of his emotional trauma because he was messed up because of fear of being thrown in the river, which is also fear of rejection, then being attacked by Tigerpaw(claw) only made that fear of rejection worse.
Agreed
tinys rage and brutality came from being cast out by the people he cared about and being treated like he was worthless. the lack of acceptance drove him up a wall, and honestly, having been scared out of his home, then attacked probably was what set him off. if instead of thistleclaw and tigerpaw being in the patrol with bluefur, having been instead patrolling with thrushpelt or something and been teated with kindness and been accepted im absolutely possative he would have turned out to be good. being treated with acceptance when no one else was showing him that kindness would have been a deciding factor for him. he would probably have grown to be a great warrior, and learned that kindness does more good then ruthelessness. now he might be a character to have done the wrong things for the right reasons! or even been aggressive to unnaccepting cats but not evil. maybe have some inner turmoil or unresolved feelings about his past but again. not evil or rutheless.
"Fight the power, you white ball of sass!"
That is the best line about cloud tail I have ever heard.
That pretty much sums up his life
Socks, shoes, and hats Lol
Socks, shoes, and hats lol
Yes
Ah yes, I see your a man of culture aswell.
I love how TigerStar bullies FireStar about being kittypet, when his father was Pinestar, who became a kittypet
I think Pinestar leaving to become a kittypet was the source of Tigerstar's distrusting of kittypets.
TobyandMavisforever it is
Rodent Freak that's exactly the reason why he does that. Pinestar is not even a father for him right for leaving his clan to be a kittypet
That,my friend,is exactly the reason he does it
Two words: daddy issues
i love watching these
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Yeah I like these too!
same
It's worth noting that when Rusty first goes into the forest in Into the Wild, he DOES get attacked- by Greypaw. He's nearly chased off and if he'd continued to run away nothing would've come of it, but he defines himself starkly in that he turns to face Greypaw and fights back instead of running away. That's why he was invited into the clan where Tiny never would've been even if he'd met Greypaw instead of Tigerpaw. Rusty impressed the clan cats with his courage and initiative. Even if Tiny had been attacked by the more affable Greypaw instead of the brutal Tigerpaw/Thistleclaw, Tiny still would almost certainly have reacted to the situation by running away, because that's just how he handled conflict at that point in his character arc. Tiny is not a natural leader, and achieved his eventual status through lies and deceit. Firestar on the other hand gets to where he ends up because of his preexisting courage, loyalty, and initiative. it's kind of silly to compare his arc to Firestar's when they're very starkly different characters right out of the starting gate. XD
@AnaisAnimation they're both valid spellings.
I though tiny tried to fight tigerpaw back but he was just way to massive and strong
While graypaw was an apprentice that rusty easily matched, graypaw didnt try to kill rusty, but tigerpaw almost DID kill tiny and had to be stopped by bluefur
Whereas graypaw, lionheart, and bluestar complimented rustys abilities
People's views on Scourge change based on which book they read first. If they read 'the darkest path' first, they think of him as a murderer. If they read 'the rise of Scourge' first, they end up feeling bad for him.
Wait- what? The darkest path? Do you even warrior cat bro? It's the darkest HOUR
Heather Gragg _pffff_
I feel pity for him but thats no excuse what he has done.
Wait.... Firestar, Bluestar, Scourge, and Graystripe are related... o-o
Graystripe's mate is Silverstream, who's father is Crookedstar, who's brother is Oakheart, who's mate is Bluestar, who's sister is Snowfur, who's son is Whitestorm, who's daughter is Sorreltail, who's mate is Brackenfur, who's sister is Cinderpelt, whos sister is Brightheart, who's mate was Cloudtail, who's uncle was Firestar, who's half-brother is Scourge.
You hear that? It's the sounds of minds being blown across the world...
edit 29/06/2020: y'all are getting too pressed over a three year old comment. i get it. they're in-laws. you're not a fucking showstopper for figuring it out. 🙄
How are Scourge and Firestar half-brothers?
Jake was both their father, but they had different mothers. You probs haven't read that far in the books yet though...
Maya Is offline Which book was this introduced? I have read-
All books but the one where Yellow fang dies in the First Arcade
And the entirety of the rest of the arcs.
Well, they don't mention it in the books, but the eren's say so. warrior-cats.wikia.com/wiki/Scourge
warrior-cats.wikia.com/wiki/Firestar
warrior-cats.wikia.com/wiki/Jake
Maya Is offline dude all the cats are related
Why do you think they are so willing to take in kittypets
Tiny was a kit...Most kits are chaotic neutral..
Rusty was more apprentice age.
+Semia McAllister
And Scourge didn't become all killer until he was pressured by the rouges, Firestar didn't have any of those factors.n
or maybe because of his past :T He ran away from his home because of his siblings, he got mauled by Tigerpaw, then chased a dog away. Think about it, he wasn't pressured by the rogues, if you're saying they made him make the clan, he made it himself. He has barely been shown kindness in his past, thus turning him evil. Think about, chum bucket :T
And another one :)
You know, you're right. Jayfeather wasn't, but that's because no one let him be because he's blind.
a lot. of people don't realize that russetfur has no clan blood. she was born a rogue named red along with Boulder. they joined at the same time but Boulder wanted to keep his name. yet russetfur also complains about thunderclan having too much kittypet blood, yet. shadowclan has had way more kittypets and rogues in there clan. it's either russetfur forgot her rogue life or the erins forgot that she was a rogue once.
suggestion
I feel like the Erins often are forgetful, but as a writer I can be too, which is why I write down important key points in my books.
No where is is more painfully stated than in Power of Three and Omen of Stars, where the plot is all over the damn place and it never goes anywhere.
EveryThingGirl238 - TRUTH. This is why you need to start writing down the important things to remember. I’m currently writing my fanmade Warrior Cats parallel universe where there’s a completely different set of clans based around our four seasons (with the names we call them. For example, there isn’t a Leaf-bare Clan, but there is a WinterClan. No Green-leaf Clan, but a SummerClan, etc etc.) and i have a google doc where there’s stuff like their modified version of the codes, how many gatherings have been held, how old everyone is, etc. I also wrote other stories but that’s just a Warriors related example that I’m making where everything has to be written down. I can forget things like a pelt pattern for a character (say, like a character Loudsong that’s in my “book”). I imagine her as what she is, but for another character (i.e. Risingstorm) I forget his pelt pattern (he is a tom that basically looks like Leopardstar with darker brown-to-black paws). This is why I like to write things down, so that way I don’t forget a single thing. Especially stuff like how many lives leaders have left, etc.
TL;DR: KEEP TRACK OF YOUR STUFF WHEN YOU’RE WRITING A STORY, ITS VERY VERY IMPORTANT
Yeah. Also, most shadow clan cats have at least a little kitty pet/rouge blood, because when shadow clan was being made, they accepted in a bunch of rouges and kitty pets.
@@kottonkandy0962 if you dont use it already, may I suggest Warrior Cats Untold Tales Legacy?
Brindleface is both Sandstorm and Ashfur's mother, they are half siblings. Ashfur is Squirrelflight's half uncle. Ashfur goes insane over the love for his niece.
Well it's not very obvious. The only reason we know Brindleface and Sandstorm are related is because of statements by the authors. It was never said, or even implied, in the books. This is why I don't really care about incest relationships unless it is stated in the books or easily noticeable that they are related. For example, Ivypool and Fernsong.
Literally half the couples in Warriors are incest. Like everyone is related to Firestar. It's insane.
Also, cats don't give a shit about incest like humans do. Ever thought of that?
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KoolKeldeo 105 Um remember when Brindleface died it stated that “sandpaw and ashpaw mourned for moons” because they were both spawns of her. sandstorm soon kitted to squirrel. ash liked squirrel. squirrel is niece. uncle is incest and deserved death, but it’s also another reason he should go to dark forest cause he started a forest fire just to explain his expansional love for squirrel in which she didn’t show back. basically he’s the poster child for incest
Oh man, great insight on this! I love how you showed that comparing Cloudtail to Firestar really helps to build Firestar as an exceptional character. I also appreciate that you reject the idea that Firestar and Scourge were just in the right and wrong situations for their development, hence why they turn out the way they do - that kind of characterization is way too simple for my taste. I think they do make for one good comparison that I touched on in my Scourge video in that they both fully commit to their respective paths and personalities and through this it's shown that the Warrior Code and StarClan still trumps BloodClan. But yeah, awesome point and good job getting another one out so fast :O
Thanks! It was originally just a video talking about how good of a character Cloudtail was and how he helps make Firestar's character even better, (which can be said about most of the supporting cast) but then suddenly thought about the Scourge comparison and it all got rewritten. lol Also, yes, you're video about Scourge is totally on point! That's the way that Firestar and him should be compared to each other, instead of the whole half-brother thing that is barely mentioned at all.
I was working on videos non-stop this weekend, but I think I'm good for a while. *sweats*
OMG LZRD WZRD!!!
I 100% agree
LZRD WZRD Hi!
Ayy lizard ur one of my favs cuz you are also a boy who reads warriors like me
what I love about Firestar is that he came to a point where the only one standing in his way of acceptance was himself.
Eventually the rest of the clan just kind of got over it (excluding obvious exceptions like Tigerstar), but Firestar was the one who kept questioning himself. I love your comparison to Cloudtail- all these factors show that Firestar was never the perfect guy people interpret him as. He's strong-willed but also insecure to an extent that he stands in his own way at times during the first series without having to just directly state it, and that's why I got to attached to him. I feel like a case where they did this poorly was Bramblestar- I love him, but his insecurities are just directly stated throughout every struggle he has. They always just state that he's worried it's because he's Tigerstar's son. Firestar's vulnerabilities were subtle enough to be recognised without just throwing them out there.
Exactly! Great stuff. ^^ Firestar's arc is very well written for all of these reasons.
Also can I just say that something that should be talked about more is the fact that cloudtail literally almost and would have gotten himself killed by scourge if firestar hadn’t been resurrected when he was, simply because of how furious he was that firestar was dead
and I don’t think people realize this but cloudtail in no way shape or form thought that firestar would come back from the dead because of his lack of belief in starclan
He must have been utterly devastated and something I would love to see is cloudtails initial reaction when he sees firestar one of the closest things he’s ever considered family lying dead on the ground
I've met a lot of pricks... No, CloudKit is a cactus.
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The stuff Firestar and Scourge that’s in common:
- Half Brothers
- Used to be Kitty pets
- both were accepted into “Clans”
- Both have books
I feel like something that the first series of the Warriors books did really well was make almost every single character meaningful to the story, and Cloudtail is a great example of this. In the recent books the side characters are kind of just there to make up a clan and there isn't anything for them to do like Cloudtail being the parallel to Fireheart, Cinderpelt and Yellowfang both helping Fireheart find his own character but in completely different ways, or Bluestar as Fireheart's strong role model (until he has to learn from her mistakes). As the books progress, I feel the important side characters get pushed to the side in order for there to be more main characters.
Sorry, that was a long comment; but anyway you did a good really good job of explaining the connection between Fireheart/star and Cloudtail, which is something I hadn't thought much about before. I can't wait to see more content like this.
And no, LZRD WZRD. It's pronounced SK-ER-G.
Speak the truth.
NO! Stop it, it's SK-OR-G damn it! This is my hill to die on - I will fight to the last and jump into a fire before I concede to that barbaric pronunciation!
Look who's calling who barbaric! I don't know what they taught you in school, but in mine they taught us how to read! Check yourself before you wreck yourself, son!
And when you read Scourge, bluestar wasn't even a leader yet! And Tigerclaw was still an apprentice!
so Scourge was older than Fireheart! is this correct Tennelle?
...mhm...i think your right . . .
Did you just say... FUS-trated? 2:43
AH, you caught me. It's a habit I'm trying to break. Grew up with a family who didn't know how to speak properly. ^_^'
TennelleFlowers I understand :3
I do the same a bit
v a p o r w a v e, I can't say some words correctly.
fuzzstrated?
I've always pronounced Scourge as
Sc-or-ge XD...
I used to do that too XD
Same XD
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same
I used to do that all the time, that's how it looks like it's pronounced.
Loooove you Tennelle these are so great! I was waiting for you to bring up the Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw relationship being what Scourge and Firestar was "trying" to be haha Great food for thought thanks again for another great video!
Oh yeah! That's a great point too! Thank you so much! :D
You're sooooooo humble Tennelle
BlueMaroon|Sarah Goran when I was looking through the comments and it said that you said I'm 11 and I'm better but when I press on it it says this but the thing is is that I said in a different video I said I'm 11 and I'm better
Do you mind discussing religion in the warriors world? As you know, some of the characters (Like Cloudtail and Mothwing) don't believe in Starclan. I've always thought that didn't make sense because there is literal proof of Starclan's existence through all the clan leaders being blessed with nine lives. Could the cats who don't believe in Starclan have been influenced by their past or is it just apart of their character?
Box Fish Mothwing thinks having nine lives doesn't have to do with any thing about StarClan, she would probably think you were born with it but never truly find out until you're a leader, but is never mentioned in the book. The only thing that IS mentioned in the book is her not believing in StarClan and the code and the dreams. I couldn't think this was acted on by herself or a point of character, however that Tigerstar and Sasha were her parents, Tigerstar never really admitted to liking StarClan, which he really doesn't. And Sasha doesn't believe which is understandable, she's a rogue/loner. This may have inflicted on Mothwing greatly because she-cats/females are always easy to believe things. Offensive but true. Mothwing only didn't believe because of Tigerstar, Sasha, and Hawkfrost. Why Hawkfrost? He put the moth wing by the medicine cat's den entrance and everyone thought it was a sign from StarClan. This could've proven to Mothwing that Clan cats can take any foolish things and say ‘it's a message from StarClan’ proving to her that StarClan isn't real.
I believe the reason Mothwing doesn't believe in StarClan is because of Hawkfrost's putting a moth's wing for Mudfur to find. As for Cloudtail, perhaps it's because Princess and/or the neighboring kittypets/loners/rogues shoved their believes, not having any, onto Cloudtail--he's demonstrated that he does not have a religion, StarClan being the only one he knows?
Mothwing's lack of faith comes from her family and the actions of her family.
I'm pretty sure Cloudtail's lack of faith is the plot... though it might have something to do with his brash personality and the fact that he's never _seen_ StarClan, which is the number one point most atheists make. Also, having a leader who openly disses StarClan could have helped since people often find it easier to believe or feel something openly when they know someone else believes or feels the same way. Despite him having a fervently religious uncle, Bluestar went off the deep end near the end and probably gave Cloudpaw (an apprentice at the time) the courage to accept how he felt and be open about it. Also, it was stated that Cloudtail had thought StarClan's legends were lumped in with all the other stories. He spent a lot of time around the elders listening to their stories! Were I him, I'd think tigers and lions were myths as well. Hence why he'd lump in StarClan with TigerClan and LionClan.
I mean, we do the same thing, too, right? We don't believe in giants. Many of us aren't religious, we believe in the world, not the mythical. Unicorns and cyclopses are obviously mythical creatures. So when spoken in the same light as God or gods, then we'd correctly assume that they're cousin stories and mean the same thing: real morals, fake adventures.
I personally think the Erins have a small problem with religion and it's figures.
This is the first video I have watched by you.... AND I LOVE IT! You seem very straight to the point with your delivery. Like you have set script that was well written. Not to mention you are very good at the "RUclips voice" ya know, making sure everyone can hear you, understand you, and feel like your full of energy, and excited to talk about the topic, and very intelligent. Your points are solid, and have plenty of evidence to back them up, you seem like you genuinely know what you are talking about. As someone who dreams of someday making a youtube channel and making similar videos about Warriors, and other books I like, you are a true inspiration. You have earned a subscriber!
Thank you!
Your welcome!
This is my daily book lesson of the day :D and also the first video i've watched of yours!!
TennelleFlowers I'm a long way from actually making videos, I have no editor. I can't draw art for videos, and no microphone. But it's something I'm still working towards.
I have to say, your viewpoint on this topic and all the supportive facts are incredible. I love how you can also portray your own frustrations and opinions without letting it HURL ALL THE LEGITNESS (i know I'll spell the correct word wrong, lol) OUT THE WINDOW as I have seen with other people on youtube and in day-to-day conversations with my friends. Also, this entire idea is a shining ray of intelligence shining off your pelt! You were able to see this relationship and writing between Cloudtail and Fireheart, understanding the attempts skerg- (aha) firestar relationship had- both of which I missed. This also shows some flaws of a character people claim to be a 'mary-sue' due to his 'perfection'-which I love to see. Firestar's crippling anxieties about never being accepted and EXTREMELY POWERFUL WILL (which has gotten him in trouble- disobeying a crazy bitch and feeding your enemies before your dying children) far from perfect him- and actually surprise me that these are his chosen flaws, considering the nerve it took to get there, showing the true comparison of thought vs action. My fingers hurt so I'll leave now .-.
Scourge might(that’s a *strong* might) of been able to end up like firestar but *DEFINITELY* not the other way around.
Bringing up that in Tiny's place, Rusty still wouldn't have become a bloodthirsty villain like Scourge, reminded me of the Next Up Forever Warriors Animatic AU by
Sarah Sellers- DragonwolfRooke. It follows a universe in which Tiny was accepted into Thunder Clan, but Rusty was turned away, and from there it shows Tiny still making 'Scourge-like' decisions within Thunder Clan while Rusty (along with Barley and Violet, I think) makes 'Fire Clan' in Twolegplace. Fire Clan is not a group of bloodthirsty cats, but cats who decide to look out for each other using the forest clans' model for structure, as told to them by Yellowfang (who Rusty still takes in by showing compassion for). I'd recommend it if you haven't seen it. That said, I really wish the kittypet xenophobia was more challenged/left behind as time goes on. You'd think that Firestar and Cloudtail, Daisy's kits, and, on the evil-powerhouse side of the former kittypet spectrum, DARKTAIL would have long set to rest a majority of the stereotypes around kittypets. Alas, not so.
Lmao how have I, a Potterhead, not realized the similarities between being a kittypet and a muggle-born
lol same!
Oh my god firestar is harry potter and graystripe is ron weasley
I had been watching your simmy speaks stuff and I agree completely with the cloudtail and fireheart thing, and that Scourge isn't very similar to them, but it still bugs me that people neglect the fact that when Tiny went into the city, he was a kitten in a harsh place that learned killing and a lack of mercy was how to handle things and was rewarded for it by the way he was treated, respected and feared. He became so dark because of the influences on his TINY mind when he was still small and looking for a place to fit in, to go. The clans, mainly thunderclan, weren't as harsh as the city cats were, and though he met the wrong cats, there could be a potential he'd turn out more like thistleclaw if he did get into the clan, who wasn't evil but was battle hungry.
It's a confusing one to try and explain, I have to try and get into his psyche more, but I hope I make sense, his upbringing would of been the 50/50 chance he'd turn out various different ways, aside from being cynical and well, a kid, he didn't show any signs of Scourge until the city, he was a kitten who was small, helpless, and fragile from his personality to his physical self. Had he been raised without siblings or had his siblings actually been nice to him, then yes, I would of said he'd of likely turned out like firestar, curious about the forest with wanderlust. If he hadn't gotten a sense of power and support from being in the city, he might of still been afraid of Tigerclaw, or as he got older he might of become bold and instead would still hate Tigerstar and want to fight him, but not turn out the dark edge lord of bloodclan.
One of those alternate path kind of things, he was just that poor kid in the wrong side of town playing pokemon go and got recruited into a gang. Again I hope I make sense, I kinda ramble a bit, but yeah what made Scourge was the harshness of the city and how he learned that if he wanted results an respect he had to be ruthless and get blood on his claws, in a loving family-like environment that would be different.
Oh! And the last important thing to touch on is the fact that he killed someone, up until then he was a kid living smugly in the city, I mean it wasn't important but he wanted to collect some dog hair as a second trophy which sounds more like a kid perspective thing than a scourge perspective thing, scourge was much more brutal and wanted to pull out teeth instead of Tiny who had used an old tooth that had fallen out of a dog and shedded dog fur and made up stories to seem cooler, like most kids did. The thing that defined peoples morals are what they killed, who they killed, and how much they killed. If you told someone to shoot their deer they wouldn't do it, right? Unless they were a hunter they couldn't kill an animal because they've never experienced taking someones life, they'd have a sense of dread that grips them until they did it, and then they'd feel numb to it, they'd feel nothing because they feared at first that if they killed something it'd make them even more of a monster, and after doing something like that they can't go back from it. It's another step if they kill their own kind and a step below killing if they're around an animal death but didn't cause it. You'd expect the worst from it, but when it's finally over, you don't feel a consequence, you just feel numb to it. Scourge acknowledges that he felt numb to it and that after you do that, you can't go back from it. Also goddamn that cat died easy, a single scratch to the throat? Scourge in this position though wasn't so quick to attack them and was letting the taunts start to get to him if he wasn't determined to prove them wrong. Where he may of been like with Firestar is in a clan not only is the vibe very different, but they rarely ever killed a cat even in battles.
After that, he became scourge, this was a thorough analyzation of his character from the psychological aspect of a runt trying to fit in and earn respect, had the strays called horse shit on how he got his fang he'd of probably cowered back because he really hadn't done anything yet. Any pointers? Theories? Opinions?
I read a great fanfic of Tiny actually telling them that he lied about the dog tooth. They chased him and he wound up in Riverclan. It was a better alternative for him. Its called Tinyclaw on Fanfiction.net
Am I the only one that sees how similar Firestar and Russetfur are. They both become respected members of their clans, both chose to leave behind their house folk, and have learned not to be ashamed of their kittypet heritage.
Something I wanna see is just see a Kittypet as a main character again. The difference is that this Kittypet has some balls and straight up tells the clan cats how there acting is total crap. "Oh no,I wasn't born in a clan-who cares,I still fight and I can hunt. My worth is far more then the blood I have or the nest I was born in."
I just kinda wanna see a Kittypet cut deep without being a villian tbh.
2:59 His toes aren’t colored in...
* Screams internally*
I loved the writing for Fireheart struggling to become warrior. It wasn't like some cliche 'Oh, I naturally fit in and I know it' thing, he questions his position and wonders if he was meant to be a warrior. I'm a little disappointed he lost that personality when he became leader.
Sometimes people don’t appreciate good writing- thanks, Tennelle
What seems funny to me is that some cats are like OMG I love firestar but letting kittypets into the clan is a terrible idea.
i greatly appreciate this video! i was never pleased with how scourge was written because he just popped in out of nowhere with out any development to be the big bad. he gave us an anti-climactic ending with tigerstar and just over all feels like the "2 edgy 4 u" shadow the hedgehog cat. >>; it could have been better if they foreshadowed him at all! especially cool if they did show signs of any kind of parallel at the beginning. but we all know that the manga was an after thought, so there isn't really any chance for that. cloud tail's comparison is clear to me! and very pertinent to the flow of the story.
Scourge is meant to be the "what if" to Firestar in my opinion. It's why he's such a great villain. The story practically revolves around stopping the big bad Tigerstar, but Firestar is not a relentless killer and doesn't just slaughter Tigerstar. Scourge achieved in a few pages what Firestar practically wanted since Tigerstar tried to kill Bluestar. Their biggest similarity is their goal to find someplace where they are accepted. Firestar is accepted by cats who are generally good. Scourge is accepted by selfish and violent cats. They both experienced rejection in the beginning, but the cats they wanted to be accepted by are very different.
I'm obsessed with these they are so good. You're so intelligent and insightful and I love it!
Hm, also in the case of Firestar, if you read Bluestar's prophecy then it talks about how the cats frequently saw Rusty watching the forest from his Twoleg nest while the cat's patrolled the borders. Bluestar actually planned for Rusty and Graypaw to meet up, so it's highly unlikely that Rusty would have been rejected.
As much as CloudTail is 'entitled' he's one of my favourite characters.
I definately agree with your points about the differences between Firestar and Scourge. Scourge is one of my favourite characters, but I've always thought that his backstory was never written right.
I (personally) believe, that Scourge should have been a scarred physically, by Tigerstar. His gentle kittypet family would be shocked by his appearance and would turn their backs on him. So, it makes more sense for Scourge to hate Tigerstar. He ruined his life.
That's just my hot tea though. If you have a different opinion, that's fine.
Yo Tennelle I loved your design for Firestar in the "I'm a Star" MAP
I am really enjoying these! I look forward to more :D And I really like that comparison of Firestar to Cloudtail, I like I like. So much more than to Scourge. I never found them alike. Especially because the books never actually mention that Scourge is Firestar's brother. I'm not even so sure they say he was specifically a kittypet? So yeah, I don't see how Firestar would see himself in Scourge in any way. He just sees him as a threat to his home
ALSO if you ever need extra art for anything, let me know, and I'll see if I can help c: Can always DM me over on the tweets
Aaah! That would be helpful! Next time I write a script, I'll let you know what it's covering!
scourge was a kittypet even tho it may not say exactly in the books, in the rise of scourge 'manga' it shows that he lived in a twoleg house untill he ran away because of his siblings
+TennelleFlowers can I help with drawing too?? I love to draw animals!!!!
Tusofsky I drew a not bad drawing of what I think of brightheart...
You: As some of you know, firestar and Scourge are halfbrothers.
Me: WAIT WHAT??!!
To be honest if Scourge did get accepted into the clan what would he be called? And would he ever meet Firestar? When Rusty/Firestar comes into the clan would Scourge be an apprentice or a warrior? (Most likely warrior) but like what ever happens to Scourge's collar if he was accepted!! If Scourge was accepted what would be his future? BC if you think about it Scourge might not be such a horrible and bad cat we all know him to be, but if he did still go down the same path what exactly would happen to him? And since Scourge was accepted into the clan how exactly would Tigerstar die? Would Blood Clan ever be created? Say Scourge was called DarkClaw would he ever have a mate or kits, what would happen to him? Would he forever be an outside or would he finally be part of the whole clan? These are questions you have to think about when you think something else might have happened, with Firestar when he first came into the clan he was Rusty, he was challenged by Longtail and that lead in a epic but kinda a turning point battle, during the fight Longtail broke Rusty's collar which then he becomes Firepaw at the end of the fight, would Scourge ever meet the same "welcome" like Firestar did when he was first introduced to the clan, Scourge could have been challenged by Tigerpaw and in the same battle Tigerpaw could have broken Scourge's collar but by the end imagine if Scourge gave Tigerpaw the nose cut instead of in the beginning of Into the Wild a fight breaks out between Thunderclan and Riverclan and Tigerclaw gets slashed in the face.
It's confirmed that Scourge can't have kits, he was neuthered
I bet he would have been named tiny paw and then tiny tooth or something
@@pagan_draws_witchy__3876 Tinypaw, tinyclaw, tinystar
Names for clan scourge:
whiteclaw or whitefoot, cloudfoot, snowfoot, tinyclaw, tinytail, tinyfoot, tinytooth, whitetooth, houndclaw, houndfang, dogfang,
My personal favorite is houndclaw
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Scourge is a broken soul who needs love, family, and friends. He was bullied when he was a kit and was beat up by THE BIG, THE BAD, TIGERSTARRRRRRRRRR!!!! Poor Scourge. I really do feel bad for him. He was just a lonely kittypet like Firestar. Expect, Firestar had a friend. I bet Scourge might have had an urge to join one of the Clans ( ShadowClan in particular in my opinion ). As LZRD WZRD said, he is the perfect villain. But he didn't have to be a villain. He could have been a good guy like Firestar and use his awesome fighting skills for good. I love Scourge. Scourge deserves a second chance. I saw the potential and the determination in him. Scourge is a great cat. I really think so. If only Scourge chose to do good instead of evil. Thanks for reading.
True. I'm pretty sure Scourge would never ever want to join any of the Clans. But if he would to consider joining one of the Clans, he would more likely kill the current leader of that Clan in order to be leader and take control of the entire forest. And yes, Scourge is a cold hearted killer. But did he really have to be a cold hearted killer? Villains can change. He could have had that chance to change.
He’s my fave c:
After Mapleshade...
You're very good at delivering speeches like this! I've watched all 3 of these "Simmy Speaks", and I've really enjoyed them! You just earned a new subscriber ^^
Also when Firestar died there were no “edgy” fangirls like:
NO FIRESTARIE MY BABY! He is my sweet child bring him back
You are such an amazing youtuber! It's great to see the Warriors community come together in such a large platform like RUclips. I myself have only read 'into the wild' and most of 'Bluestars prophecy'( almost done reading it) but I can already infer how amazing this sierise will be. You have earned my subscription
Lady, you've earned yourself a new subscriber.
Actually it is because of the things you discussed in your video why Cloudtail is my favorite warrior besides Yellowfang. I am happy to have found your channel!
l just realized squirrel flight (firestar's daughter) has one white paw, guess who else has one white paw...scourge (bum,bum,buuum!)
Genetics. Sandstorm Could have easily been a descendent Of Thunderstar, as He also had WHite Paws and Ginger Fur.
Right now I'm on the fourth book in warriors, rising storm, I read the first three books in three days. The first things you say in this blows my mind, and I decide to click, Watch Later.
I'm not mad, just, surprised.
I just want to say something. Please remember the rise of scourge took place BEFORE Firestar joined Thunderclan. This is proved in the Manga after noticing Bluestar was actually Bluefur and she and thistleclaw were Tigerpaw's mentor. Tigerpaw becomes Tigerstar. And Firestar who was Rusty at the time joined when Tigerpaw was actually TIGERCLAW. And Bluefur Was actually BlueSTAR. Which means they grew up quite alot.
Also. For those who say scourge was pressured by rogues. He wasnt. He was told he would get thrown in the river so he ran into the forest. He got attacked by Tigerpaw and left into the city. He defeated a dog for the rogues. The rogues began to bring gifts and ask for help from scourge. All that i say has been stated in the Manga. Then Tigerpaw/Tigerstar offered Scourge and bloodclan a chance to live in the forest, Scourge to be mates with one of his cats ( I believe it was Tawnypelt. ) But tigerstar becomes leader of the forest.
Tigerstar then thought scourge was a traitor after scourge said '' There will be no battle today. We fight when we want'' And he tried attacking scourge which led to him loosing all 9 lives.
How Tigerstar lost all his lives from a single blow?- Well. For those who havent read the book yet, Scourge hit 9 organs in tigerstar. Thats how he lost all his lives from one blow.
So he hit the heart, both lungs, stomach, intestines, kidneys, cut through a bunch of bloodvessels, and possibly also the windpipe.... After all he scratched down from the throat to the groin with clawed dog teeth.
Ouch that sounds painful
I always loved Cloudtail he’s a breath of fresh air. Even though he was kinda annoying (but the “annoying” ones are always my favorite.) I loved his personality and him with Brightheart was even better
90% of this vid was of firestar and cloudtail
Another person who does awesome warriors analysis videos? :D
Aw Scourge isn't an evil psychopath. It was TigerPaw's fault. Scourge just wanted revenge, especially against TigerStar for Killing Bluestar. He loved Bluestar because she saved him. Hmmm.... Firestar.. Nothing wrong with what you said about him. I agree Cloudkit is a little Brat
I meant Scourge hated Tigerpaw because he attacked him and I didn't mean he LOVED Bluefur I meant He remembered her but he didn't remember her name. Although Tigerpaw isn't the only one who drove Scourge to kill his Sister and brother were horrible
Sparky the pokemon AJ Look my friend, anyone can be bullied. Its how they respond that makes someone into an evil psychopath. Scourge didnt have to go down that path because he was bullied. There is no one to blame but himself. He walked that path because he chose it. Period.
That's a super super great comparison, something that I totally missed having read the first arc in the 4th-5th grade. But it is true that you can't think of Cloudtail without thinking of Firestar!
I like to think that another source of comparison/contrast is between Bluestar's leadership and Firestar's, how he does learn things from her, but how he also chooses to act oppositely from her. Because she wasn't exactly the best leader...nor is Firestar, nor is any leader frankly. But to have these echoes of past leadership affect how Firestar makes decisions is so interesting to me
2:17 oh my god Cloudkit is so squish
He’s such a little guy
Omg I love your oc, did you draw it yourself?
Yes, I did! Thanks!
You do have to say that cloud tail is a very loyal, confident, and helpful warrior.
you're such a good youtuber!
I miss Cloudpaw era. He was such a little fluffy brat and I loved that
I kinda wish you would spoiler warnings at the beginning if these videos specifying which books because I was greeted with the fact that Firestar and Scorge are half brothers because you have great insight on many points with in these videos you make and would like to either relate or debate to them but I also would like to not have the books spoiled for me so if you could put warnings that would be appreciated but yet again these are your videos and don't have to X3
It wasn't specifically stated in the books that they're half siblings, it was just confirmed by the Erins.
the books came out 7 years ago.. theres no such thing as spoiler warnings anymore.
Did not know when they came out....... .-.
Seven? No... 12!
I love the art of Princess and Fireheart at 2:18! How adorable. Your videos are pretty marvelous I do indeed declare.
calm me stupid but, firestar and scourge are half brothers?
Read warriors, you shouldn't be here if you don't know if they aren't (Btw they have the same father: jake, so I think she is wrong :P)
+Colleen Kyle I did read them. I just didn't pick up on that because I'm a dumb ass.
No worries, it's not really explicitly said in books, but hinted at. The Erins later confirmed it.
+TennelleFlowers THANK YOU!!! *hides behind you and sticks out my tongue*
+Jeralynn Maxwell do you have a kik?
I realized that when i was being ao seriouse about this that i was taking info from an OC, and loving it
If scourge and fire star are half brothers, then a brother killed a brother. So it's like swtor Knights of the fallen empire?
They didn't know they where brothers. Jake is everyones father though 😂 He is your father.
+Lil' Nena Daddy Jake
Lil' Nena My dad's name is certainly not Jakes...it's Anakin
Can you please do more Warriors discussions? I love you voice! I can't stop watching you!
since comments were blocked on the warriors movie video i will comment this.if you want to know what the movie might be like watch felidae
Zina the fox oh god lets hope it's nothing like felidae
smiley smiles :D
i hope they make a good effort with the movie
Zina the fox I hope so too, I hope they don't change too much from the books
youre forgetting that felidae didnt make much, and also that it is a very old movie. the laws on what could be in a childrens film were vague and blurred. also, felidae is NOT an american or british movie. it's german. the laws were probably different.
Oh my god please don't make it like Felidae. Firestar, you're better than that!
*(CLICK 'READ MORE' AT YOUR OWN RISK!)*
A brief, gory summary of Felidae:
-The main character randomly has sex in the middle of the film*
-All of the cats being murdered are aroused at the time
-There's a cat cult where they all electrocute themselves to death.. and they show it all happening
-A pregnant cat is killed and her womb is ripped open, revealing the dead kittens inside
-The main villain has acid poured on their flesh in a flashback
-Quite a lot of swearing
*which was a REALLY dumb idea, as the whole aroused-cats-being-murdered thing suggested that some kind of sex appeal was involved. Surely, hopping off a windowledge to go tap that was basically asking to be killed?
I love your drawing style, it really makes the cats stand out and be prominent! :)
u forgot to color cloudtail's toe
Surgalwolf AJ omg I just saw it
Fireheart and Scourge are more like cautionary opposites rather than a parallel, he's the antithesis of Fireheart.
Was it me or did scourge's collar look red...IT'S PURPLE
there isn't a canon color lol
I wonder how the world would be if Scourge and FireStar we're switched,as in they switched places Scourge would be the brother to Princess and FireStar would be in Scourges place in the beginning.
ohhh can u make a rant on the tribe of rushing water THERE SO SCREWD UP FOR DOING THAT TO STORMPAW AND MAKING HIS SISTER DIE SHARPTOOTH SHOULD OF KILLED THEM ALL..... back to the point anyways for all u haters who dont like her SHUT UP AND JUST WALK AWAY DONT LEAVE HATE COMMENTS
Actually, Feathertail CHOSE to sacrifice herself. The Tribe cats didn't realize she was the 'silver cat' in the prophecy until she leaped at the rock and brought it down at Sharptooth, killing him in the end. The Tribe cats were fearing for their lives as a mountain lion prowled outside their cave; it would make sense for them to be extremely desperate for a savior, especially with the Teller of The Pointed Stones going senile as he grows older and closer to his death in Sign of The Moon.
Wow so dramatic i say it my way
Skira AJ *Stormfur
Bluestar:You know,I heard Brindleface lost a kit.
*fireheart goes to the nursery*
Brindleface:GIVE HIM TO ME!
Scourge isn't evil -.-'
Lol you troll. That's funny.
Yes he is evil. His life mess him up and turn him into a killer bad ass cat who cares about nobody. Not even his clan.
Bruno Kunda Well Firestar is not much a prick than the other clan cats. The only time firestar bring a prick is with family, love, death and trust sometime. That is the same thing people deal with.
Are you kidding me? Did you even pay attention to ANY of the books?
Bruno Kunda I would not say firestar is particularly privileged and is DEFINITELY not a prick
Just found this channel and oh my God I'm telling everyone about this... you draw so well, I love your videos!!!
I was watching this video when a commercial of the 'Little Live Pets' came on, and it showed a white cat with a fluffy tail
Thought about the cutest but sassiest cat I could know, Cloudtail!
Honestly this video changed my mind about how scouge could have been good or firestar could have been bad you made alot of good points☺
Did everyone forget about Firestar's scar above his head when he fought Longtail? "Rusty could feel a cut stinging above his eye." Sorry this is off topic. It just popped up in my head. Also, great video Simmy!
I absolutely love the series, thank you for the great content
Hello. I agree with this statement, I would also like to add something of my opinion though, Cloudtail only took his life for granted because he was treated differently, remember, he had no idea he was a kittypet until he asked Fireheart, with his feelings hurt, starting to feel like an outsider already, as a KIT, he asked why they treat him differently, Fireheart told him why, Cloudtail didn't understand, he was a kit, he had no memory of being a kittypet. He was treated differently even though he was raised in the clans, so yeah, he's going to take it for granted, and he had pride in him self, something that's useful at times... but he did have a little too much pride, he looked up to Fireheart, he just wanted to be like him, but he never truly understood the code, not until the incident when he was taken by twolegs, thats when he got better... and since then he's always admired Fireheart and seen him as a role model, so the parallel is still better than the one with Firestar and Scourge, however, it isn't as great as you may think.... Because Cloudtail wasn't a jerk for no reason. He had a reason, he just pushed it a little bit at times... and the only reason we as readers were made at him for taking a life for granted that he's always had, (which is why he took it as granted by the way, if you're born into something you always take it for granted, just as the clan cats) Fireheart only saw it as taking the life for granted because Fireheart had to make the original fight against the kittypet hatred, and, having been with Fireheart for as long as we had at that point, we sympathized with him and shared his feelings and thoughts, but if you take an outside view of it, Cloudtail wasn't much different from the clan cats at all. (I felt it was important to say this, because Firestar is my favorite character, and I take everything involving him very seriously because he is overlooked time and time again, when he truly is the greatest character of the books. Afterall, "Warriors" was created/started for and with him. It's just evolved into a world sense then, a world that he mastered and shaped, even though he did it humbly, in a way that makes it easy to forget all he's done, because he did it in a way of humility, which gave other cats credit for his success. I see my self as a Firestar Defender. Defend his legacy at all times. This includes his kin. Scourge would not have become evil had he been accepted into the clans, his character at the beggining was sweet and kind, but he had the need to prove him self due to being the runt of his litter and bullied by his siblings... Firestar wouldn't have gone down the road Scourge did because he was naturally peaceful, and a natural leader, Scourge wasn't a natural leader, a natural leader doesn't need fear to rule. Firestar also had instincts for the wild. Scourge did not. Cloudtail also was not a "prick" he was complicated, if you take a look at his actions and the REASONS for his actions, you can see this. The same goes for most warriors which are looked at and judged once. Take another look at each one, and I can assure you, you won't be disappointed with the discoveries you make. Just be sure to keep an open mind, and try different angles to find what you never saw before.)
if u guys never noticed, the weird thing is. SQUIRRELFLIGHT HAS A WHITE PAW!! and so does Scourge!! A-maz-in!
This is a very good argument, thank you for making this video even if its been like 6 years since you published this video. Also i would like to point out here if ThunderClan had accepted Scourge when he was Tiny, he would have found something to replace the feeling of loneliness put there by his siblings. When Tigerpaw attacked him he found himself being just as "pathetic and unless" as his siblings had tried to convince him to believe. Yes i hate Scourge but i would have been a lot different if he had joined ThunderClan, but then again if that had happened everything would have changed. Also sorry for all the points but the only reason Scourge became like he is now is because he had to kill and lie to gain respect and be able to protect himself from others. This just impressed something on him after a while and he couldn't stop. At this point Scourge half way through in my opinion went from a bullied/misunderstood character to being a true evil cat. Thank you for reading my opinion if you got this far.
You should make one on your opinion on forbidden couples.
I think it's because Tiny got tormented by his siblings as a kid which is why he turned out the way he did. If he didn't have siblings or his siblings were nice, he would still be a kittypet! The whole reason he left his twolegs is because of what Ruby said to him.
firestar worked his way up as a noble warrior. scourge was fooled into thinking he'd be killed, ran away, got beat up, and resented it forever.
Exactly, Scourge let his fear control him unlike Firestar when he was only a new apprentice and Tigerstar was planning his murderous action against Bluestar. Yes, fear did get the better of Firestar when he found Tigerstar was going to hurt/kill Ravenpaw, but he was afraid for his best friend's life. Scourge was afraid of what would happen to him.
Dont forget Raggedpelt had kittypet blood
I bet that if things had been flipped, Rusty would have been like "well okay guess smudge was right they are hostile :/ guess not doin that" and tiny and tigerpaw would have become friends and plotted together
In my personal opinion, Firestar is sort of a Mary Sue. There are other cats in Warriors who are more Mary Sue, but Firestar just seems so perfect that it becomes annoying sometimes. This is just my opinion.
I absolutely love your OC. I have one similar to that, but she's a calico/tortie, whatever you want to call it, named Swiftwing. Also, FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH SCOURGE'S PRONUNCIATION
exactly. Tiny doesn't except defeat! Firestar breaks the trouble while Tiny or scourge causes it!
But then again, I feel so disappointed that Firestar's half brother, Tiny would choose to live in fear, hate, and darkness instead of Firestar choosing the right path of good. And even if Firestar wasn't accepted in Thunderclan, He still had choices he could make before Firestar chose the same path as scrouge.
I agree with this, Firestar and Scourge(Tiny) are extremely different.
Even if Scourge was accepted into the ranks of ThunderClan, i think he would of still been a villian.
Man, I miss the first arc
5:07 "One Special Snowflake" lol I'm dead
I'm in love with this series!
Shoot!
Ive only read the first book and was expecting this video to not spoil very much!
This was a BIG misake!
you REALLY have a talent for analyzing.