How to Fix the Enermax Liqtech TR4 II Cooler - Complete Refurbish Guide
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- Опубликовано: 5 апр 2020
- My first Enermax Liqtech TR4 II 360mm All-in-one cooler failed. I RMA'd the AIO and Enermax sent me a new one. Just four months later that Liquid Cooler has failed too. However, it can be saved. In this video I will show you how to completely disassemble the AIO. Clean the pump and cold plate, and flush, wash, and rinse out the radiator. Then reassemble, refill, and bleed the unit.This a a complete refurbishment guide for a Threadripper cooler that is full of gunk and corrosion.
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UPDATE: Aug 2021 - 18 Months later and this cooler has been running 24/7 on my Threadripper workstation and is still functioning perfectly after the refurb.
I almost forgot the temps I promised: Stats -
CPU AMD Threadripper 2990WX, Overclocked to 3.8 GHz @ 1.225V.
Room (Ambient Temp) 22 C.
CPU Idle Temp 30 - 33 C.
Load Temps -
10 Min Cinebench R20 61 C Max,
Handbrake 4K X265 1+ Hours of Encoding 53 C Max.
what CPU Wattage when full load?
@@vizintini It's about 320W on the cores and just over 400W on the Package under real world rendering loads, but I have maxed out at over 500W under synthetic load.
Ty i went n got simple green clr n distilled water bought that coolant n a hand pump ad for oil n gas radiator fluid i have the tools n there was gunk i was getting 60 o C idle n could only run youtube i cant wait to finish my wife has a glass vase for me too. Ty because enermax told me to f myself when i put in for replacement i have 1950x thread n love the enermax well did sinve this is liqtech ii 360 which was a replacement thinking of video'n my first refurb lol. Thanks again i would have never had the balls to do it n think about getting an icegiant to eventually replace it sux being broke. Lol
Amazing video, my Threadripper system died a few months back (PSU went out) and it had one of these cooling it since 2019. Never had any issues but I think doing some preventative maintenance shouldn't hurt. I ended up swapping out everything but the board on that PC so this cooler will go to a spare parts rig. Great video and I will make sure to reference it when I clean my own unit.👍
Really helpful video! My Enermax unit started gurgling and realized 1st-genThreadripper temps were peaking in the 80s. I need a few more months out of this current CPU while I wait for the holidays to purchase components for my next build, so going to flush the cooler tomorrow. Thanks so much for such an informative video!
Glad it helped!
I did end up buying one of these about 5 months ago, I upgraded the fans before installing and so far it's the best thread ripper cooler I've ever used
I just found this after I was curious of any recent news regarding that aio - my Liqtech II has been shelved for awhile now, been happy with air cooling. I am tempted to try this with the extra step of blowing dust off of it first ;) Thanks!
Mine has been running strong 24/7 since I flushed it.
Thanks for this. Nowhere else ive seen a teardown on this cooler.
Thank you, I "sold" or returned mine for a RMA and replaced it with a Noctua, but the temps it provided when brand new was amazing.
After having watched this, I am tempted to buy a brand new one, drain on day 1, flush it and refill it with some good aftermarket coolant and perhaps have an AIO that can last me longer than a year.
Don't bother buying and refilling one. I'm pretty sure the ultimate problem with this AIO is permeation as after 4 months there is so much air in the system I'm afraid the pump will fail.
Great video, I'm going to buy one, flush and change out the fans - still cheaper than a custom loop! Wish there were other options for TR4 AIOs.
Let me know how it goes.
this is amazing, my dad said it was unsaveable, but personally I love a little challenge. I wish more people would learn to fix their things instead of replacing them like most people would do in this case.
Maybe say the true. Your daddy didnt give you the money to buy another. If he said " look,here is 100$ go and buy another one" you was flying to the store.
@@pulemec what is this supposed to be? some personal attack because I decided to save a little money? I have plenty of money to build a new computer but I decided to save some old parts and that is a problem to you?
@@will8921 it said and the guy from video.."trow it away"😂
Hey thank you very much I had this on my setup and thankfully found your channel that helped me very much thank you for this video
Glad I could help.
Thank you very much, very usefull. So well done you give me the courage to try it myself.
fantastic job
thank you very much, it's a very useful video
New subscriber man. Dig your channel! I'm here in Colorado too
As much as I admire your resolve at repairing it, I do not buy the AIO cooler to play with rinsing, refilling, checking and so on. If I wanted to do that, I would have built my own.
Probably worthwhile only if you can get one for very cheap.
thats what a YT channel should be. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing the video. What diameter of plastic tubing would you recommend to connect a transfer pump to the Enermax hose?
Well well well!! Good video!! Just to say enermax are not silent if there is no pc box!
I just bought the original (disastrous) version of this cooler unopened a couple weeks ago. I've always wanted an AIO for my Threadripper, but they were always too expensive and now they are still expensive and rare.
When I received it (deeply discounted) I immediately cracked it open and it was the expected gross mess we have all come to love, except this one is 5 years older so there's some other weird stuff going on. There was major chunks of sediment that I had to chisel away with a razor blade and some missing chunks of metal (I think a manufacturing flaw). I had to follow that up with putting some lacquer over areas where the coating on the waterblock chipped, exposing the metal. It took forever, but I got everything flushed and cleaned up. The coldplate was a disaster- it had oxidized pretty bad on the edges which required a ton of polishing with my drill.
Now that it's fully installed, temps are better than my Noctua, but not by much. The good news is it freed up some ram slots that my air cooler blocked. I have no idea if this will hold up, but I'm happy it wasn't a complete disaster. Interesting project, but definitely not for the faint of heart.
great job great video keep going bro
thank you will try this
I hope it helps. Also, if you have thicker calcification or buildup you can soak parts in CLR for a couple hours. You can also flush the rad with CLR. I forgot to mention that in the video.
Just great! This video shows the importance of making moonshine!
I know that I am very late to the party but I am curious to know how the refill is doing in 6/1/2022.
Thank you for the video!!
is there any other AIO I can use for 3970x, I don’t know I can manage to do this since I’m a newbie
Awesome
how has this one lasted after your service job?
Awesome!!!! Question: can I add a second radiator to this loop? And can it be a different radiator than the stock one? I have a 3990x and the temps are pretty high compared with the previous generation.
I'm not sure if the pump has enough head pressure to move water through two rads. Also, the AIO doesn't have traditional size tubing or barb fittings so it might be difficult to splice in a second radiator.
@@ElevatedSystems thanks for the answer !
I have one too and I really want to fix it, I might have to buy some stuff.
I just added a link in the description to a cheap pump that should work for this.
Could i use a form of oil to cool it ?
i will buy it because of your video xD i like to have something that is so simple
So I have 2 questions. 1. Should I use a silicone lubricant on the gaskets and large O ring in the pump. I use that on Pool pumps and other pumping equipment when I rebuild them. 2. is it useful to use a radiator coolant like that which is used in automobile systems. It just seems like it would be far more efficient in cooling.
You can use a very thin layer of lube on the gaskets if needed. They do make Polyethylene glycol coolants for PC cooling but I've never seen any performance increase over just water.
@@ElevatedSystems Great and thanks for the video. I am going to try a rebuild of this before I give in and go to an air cooler.
id buy one just because its serviceable and cheap , i had the same kind of issues with corsair all in one couldn't get it apart without destroying it
is there a program to control enermax pump speeds because i can only see how to increase fan speed in my bios?
There is no software controll for this AIO, it can be controlled through the DC voltage setting in the BIOS but for this AIO I would suggest to keep the pump speed at 100%
I've been running one for 8 months or so and my cpu temps keep rising like crazy. I can be 34c and be 75c just from opening chrome. This is a hell of a lot of work that requires some tools I don't have. Like those hoses. I might just buy another one and send this back. Ridiculous to go bad that quick.
You are correct! To me happen the same scenario!! This is not pump issue, it’s just coolant!
Glad I'm not the only one. Thought I was going crazy. My Enermax lasted close to two years...then suddenly my CPU was hitting 75C just opening Chrome.
What if the motor tries to spin up, but fails? Continues over and over, then you get CPU overheat FAIL. Then what? Still fixable? LIQMAX III 360
Let us know it if fails again. My TR I just failed 2 days ago, and decided to go for the noctua NH14 solution. Thinking I might refurbish the emerax at some point, don't know if it's worth it though
I'll do a 6 month follow-up.
Elevated Systems Any news on that matter?
It is necessary to leave a little space in the radiator to expand the coolant. Or is it not critical for such temperatures?
Technically yes, but between the thermal expansion of the radiator and hoses and the fact that you'll never get all the air out, it's fine to fill it as much as possible.
@@ElevatedSystems i currently just acquired a 3990x and I’ve been wanting to use an AIO with full coverage and this enermax is the only solution to keep temps at bay. I know you dont recommend buying this AIO, but i dont want to do a custom loop, and i dont want to deal with 85 degree+ temps with another AIOs. My first question is, hows the unit you refurbished in the video running so far today, and also do you have any affiliate links for all the products required (ex. Manual or electric pump and AIO liquids required) to refurb the AIO since I’m looking to refurb from day 1.
Thanks in advance
Nearly fried my TR 3970x today with brand new Enermax Liqtech TR4 II Cooler. Frigging muppets...It looks like a really decent product except for sewage water they apparently used as coolant.
ty =)
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sick i heard so often enermax has problems with this but i never had problems with enermax 37c at idle and 45 at gaming in a tiny itx case after 2years... all 6 months new paste
will this work with the gen 1? I have two gen 1s and while i want to file an rma for a 2 I don't want to have 3 coolers LOL
It should work the same for the gen 1 but keep in mind the gen 1 has the faulty gasket which is what Enermax blamed the problem on. Also if you RMA one you will need to return one of the coolers.
is this still working or did it fail again?
could you use this for just the pump ?
The only problem you will have using it just as a pump or adding a reservoir is finding compatible fittings and tubing as typical PC water cooling parts will not work.
It's ashamed that Enermax could not even fill their AIO system with anti-microbial additive.
Anyway, I am building my first Threadripper workstation with 3970X with 280W TDP. Unfortunately this is the only AIO that has 100% coverage of cold plate over Threadripper's IHS (I am wondering why no other AIO manufacturers bothered to design for TR4). So do you think it would be wise to buy one of these Liqtech TR4 II and flush and refill the system out of the box with good coolant such as those from EK?
ThermalTake have the "Floe Riing RGB 360 TR4 Edition" which looks like it covers 95% of the plate (lots of screwholes in the coldplate ,'/
@@teroteki I have actually just installed my system with Cooler Master ML360 TR4 at half the price of ThermalTake's. I haven't put it to stress test but so far CPU is below 50 degree C most of the time.
@@teroteki It doesn't cover enough. My temps are way too hot at idle (50C).
@@HighTechBond Gah! My Enermax finally died a week ago.. really hoped that might replace it. Thanks for the info!
I have this cooler in a used pc a friend of mine gave me. Took it apart and redid the thermal paste. I also did notice that I could hear the water whooshing around when I shook it, does that mean I have air in mine as well?
Also the pump/water block is making an audible rattling sound, though not very loud. When the fans are going I can't hear it. Is that normal?
This is my first time water-cooling, even if it is an AIO, I don't have any experience with these things I have heard, seen.
My 1920X 12-core starts off at around 70C and quickly rises to 85/90C as reported by the BIOS. I don't even want to install an OS because the temp goes up so fast.
That is way too hot. My 2990WX rarely exceeds 60C at load.
@@ElevatedSystems which is exactly why I'm afraid to even install an OS. I can barely manage to stay in bios for more than 3 minutes. Anyway I think I'll just buy a new, different AIO.
@@nicholashartmann4525 if you have room in your system I'd recommend the be quiet Dark Rock Pro TR4 Air Cooler. It will keep your system cool and quiet and is cheaper then any AIO that has threadripper support.
@@ElevatedSystems I already own the DR3 for my 7700K and I did want to go the water cooling route. But thanks for the suggestion, I'll keep it in mind.
Hello,
What's the result? Any problems after another 4 months of usage?
The only issue is that the new fluid seems to be permeating from the system faster then what's typical for an AIO. There is a lot of air circulation now so I get a lot of noise from it but temps are fine so I haven't bothered to top off the fluid yet.
Has the problem with this product been solved now?
U know that there is some air supposed to be in the system providing expasion space when the water gets hot and is expanding? No air may cause overpreassure and finally lead to a leak when the water is very hot.
I know, it's actually impossible to get all the air out without a vacuum chamber. Also this AIO has a ridiculous permeation rate so the more air you get out the better as the liquid will start disappearing as soon as you run it the first time.
so, I should replace the water/coolant in my Enermax immediately. with a good name brand coolant!! I never imagined that they used such crapy products in these ''AIO''!! I'm thinking. I only need 2 remove the one screw, on the top radiator. there I can drain the whole system. and refil!! glad they have some bleeding holes on the pump! handy..great diy! that water is sick!! I can't believe that!! had the same garbage in my coolermaster!! I'm going 2 change every year!!...it's best 2 get a ''service plan'' for few bucks!! U never know what kind of quality is just waiting 2 rip off every ''consumer'' around the world!!
You say to not buy this. I'm buying this, because its easelly serviceable and first thing im going to do when i receive it is i'm going to drain it, clean it and replace with proper concoction of coolant.
After i saw the video,i throw it away. Thanks.
pure madness
if these coolers are getting clogged up, why don't they clog sitting on shelf , i find the complaints always around 4 to 5 months of use
Heat caused during use.
Good quality video and really good effort in fixing the issue.
You have good content but i will not subscribe only because PC tech is not a big interest of mine. I build my current PC in 2009 with AMD FX cpu and it lasted me so far. Now i am after building a Threadripper machine and i hope i will never need to look into it for another 10 years. 😀
I got myself the same cooler knowing that it will be faulty so i intend to repair it before i install it into the system. However, there are things that i will do differently.
1. I will replace the radiator with a copper one. (nothing to do with galvanic corrosion, Copper as a metal has mild bactericidal properties, kills microorganisms)
2. I would wear face cowering as with breathing we push out a lot of microorganisms that can contaminate fresh coolant.
3. I will wash out the pump and all internals with 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide, this will destroy all organics
4. I will boil or pasteurize distilled water before pouring it into the system as a coolant and i will put it in hot around 50 degrees C
5. I will not fill liquid to the top as i do not want unnecessary load onto the seals and gaskets due to thermal expansion of water since it is not compressable
Really good video and quality of production, Thank you
Sounds like a solid plan. How do you intend to couple the Enermax pump block to the new copper radiator? Also, it is nearly impossible to 100% fill a closed loop like this, so the more liquid you can get in the better as this AIO seems to greatly suffer from permeation.
@@ElevatedSystems you can get 1/4 hose connectors and use soft tubes that normally used for custom water systems
@@weld-deluxltd7635 Using new hose the problem forsee is not at the Radiator end of the connection but at the pump block end as it there is not a standard G1/4 connection in that end. Hiw will you connect the 1/4" hose to the pump block? Couple the old hose to the new?
@@ElevatedSystems I will fit 1/4 fish tail hose connectors onto the new radiator and then I have an option to use existing pipes that are connected to the pump block and cut them near existing radiator and fit onto the new 1/4 fittings or simply machine additional two fittings that will match the fittings that are going into the pump block.
Looks like Enermax fills their stuff with Chinese pond water 🤣
It smelled more like swamp water.
CoooOoooooooooooooooool
So, safe to say the first thing to do when getting this AIO is to replace the liquid inside with something else.
If you are comfortable with the process, then yes.
Mine goes 86° plugged in brand new
Eeeek, that's not good. What CPU is it on? and is it OC'd?
I bought one Enermax product in 2002, and it was my last.
On another note...
So Elevated Systems is sponsoring you? Hmmm we need a proper sponsor spot for that to make it make sense :D
If you have some tech industry PR contacts you're willing to share my POC info is in the About tab ;)
looks like an advert for simple green LOL
If I understand you correctly, The problem isn't the quality of the equipment. The problem is a substandard coolant. If I am correct, you would think that enermax could fix this issue very easy. So either I am not understanding you correctly, or enermax is really lazy.
No, you are understanding perfectly. 👍
10:18 Flint, Michigan?
Enermax II here too. Almost killed my 2990WX as I started to see thermal shutdown. Which is by the way as good as running a CPU without any heatsink/cooling.
What a mess. they offered an RMA but it would cost me more to RMA like 50USD, then not to mnetion I may get same crap. Not worth the risk to your threadripper build. Anyone who has spent hard earned money on these builds (unlike reviewers who get stuff for free) should not ever risk using Enermax or DIY the fix. Thats my 2 cents but feel free to burn your cash.
Rather than go through the trouble of fixing shitty AIO, spend a few a bit more an get an EK full waterblock with custom cooling kit. IIf you use soft tubing its nearly as easy as installing an AIO.
Wow! I'm at 95°C
Hello,
What's the result? Any problems after another 4 months of usage?
Yes, there is a significant amount of permeation resulting in a lot of air in the system, which I can hear circulate through the pump often. I'm afraid the pump my overheat or fail if the liquid levels gets any lower. I'll do a follow-up video in a couple months after 6 months of use.
@@ElevatedSystems you are wrong!! But I will help you: the coolant is transferred from pump to radiator! Enermax using rubber!! Rubber allow evaporation! It should be made from silicon! And secondly enermax is noisy pump. Why? Because is cheaply made even is brushless and can not survive many months as well. The liquid inside is clear!! So not the best!! Use car radiator coolant and will be much better! Thank you