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Enermax LIQTECH II Fiasco -- Revisiting After A Year Of Use
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2021
- Wendell revisits Enermax liquid coolers we tried to fix a year and a half ago! The insides were wild, one of which was in the machine I work on...I get to go back now :D
Don't come at me for my phone charger ;-; haha
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Can we get a crossover of Nilered and level 1 to explain the sandy vs. waxy deposits on the coldplates
this is an idea worth 1000 likes
That'd be cool
And where it is in the radiator and connectors also?
Sandy= metal salts, waxy=base, alkali
IgorsLAB already has figured it out. It's the wrong use of flux in the aluminum radiators.
I really wanted to like the liqtechs. I liked the idea of the coldplate covering the entire die. About when I bought my 1950x the issues started coming in. I went with the big daddy noctua and its been humming along for years at this point.
Same here.
I just use an AM3 generic universal CPU cooler smashed under the AIO mount with a peanut butter lid cut up acting as a spacer to press from the AIO adapter bracket to the generic AM3 mounting adapter plate. Temps seem to be fine like 50-60c depending on load and how many GPUs I'm running since I have 1.7 kW of power draw from the wall on 4x Fury Xfire running Crysis 3 at 100 fps at 4k Ultra (220x240x80mm copper radiator, and that's with 2-3 fans running out of 4 because I ran out of fan headers that were close enough to plug in). I know with a 120mm AIO first gen Asetek I was still able to hit 4.2 Ghz all core at 465w reported (seemed to be pretty accurate) and keeping in the 80's on the CPU so Threadripper stays really cool even when half the CPU IHS is visible and not covered at all.
For liquid cooling to really be a thing we need a breakthrough in materials, chemistry and pump design, otherwise is a money sink, it will always die sooner than any air cooler.
@@javierortiz82 I don't know as that it needs to last longer than a hunk of metal (my water cooled tablet used automotive antifreeze and was fine for over 3 years using mix of copper and steel which with normal water within a couple days had so much rust balls floating I had to flush to not ruin the pump). My phase cooler is probably the best, it hasn't needed service for 15 years at least (Asetec discontinued in 2006, so at least that old), and it was still cooling fine at -60c idle and -35c max load ever recorded stressing FX at 1.7 Vcore (estimated would be 550w at room temp but due to chilled effect it improved by about 30% efficiency and was only using 350w, which is probably a touch more than the cooler used but I really only cared about the massive performance increase).
Most people replace computers every X years, so your cooler probably for most people only needs to last X + a little longer. Many people don't even clean their computers (I've seen some so packed you couldn't see the heatsink, it looked like a dead mouse, and to this day I'm pretty sure it actually might have been a dead mouse sandwiched into the heatsink because there was another one in the power supply), and that computer was still running... Plus like my Threadripper using an AM3 mount sandwiched under trash, my Ryzen X370 couldnt use that cooler either (my phase cooler I made my own mounts and for FX I used a socket 775 because it was before even AM3...), So that's another problem, all my coolers are so old and still working I'm having to engineer new mounts because sockets keep changing and nobody else supports the cooler.
Ice Giant to the rescue... so far
Still have to test that against the Noctua. Doubt it will fit the Workstations though :/
I have found the Prosiphon Elite to be quite good on my 3990x. Full load never breaks 65c in a room w/a warmer than typical ambient.
The downside is the having to keep it level/upright.
@@PrimalNaCl Have mine for now in my tiny little render box. (Half X case) It fits fine with pleanty of ram clearence. Has worked well so far. Still waiting to see what they will do with Threadripper (non Pro) to by another for my main animation rig.
@@EthelbertCoyote It's a great unit as long as the restrictions aren't an issue.
#FreeEditorAmber!!
She deserves more than a tiny cubicle maybe a slightly larger cubicle or something!
Hahaha ~ Editor Amber
They give me snacks ~ Editor Amber
@@Level1Techs Considering you make all that gobbledigook palpable they should at least feed you with healthy stuff ;)
@@Level1Techs She responds! Editor Amber Alert.
@@Level1Techs And orange soda? 🥤
I can tell you really care about your editors by them having a Model M. Nice.
And even a brick wall. I mean, ain't that the dream?
Just editor, no s. And she's intern.
It's a shame that such an initially promising cooler turned out to be a goop machine.
No one needs goop
Energoop
Gwyneth Paltrow likes this.
@@zenstrata Yeah but they arent far off from what I can see here even the Noctua struggles. Literally saw a comment for this but for the Noctua "not going above 95 degree". Word for word. And yet, with some reasonably intense work, it fails too...
I wonder if it's the tubing breaking down? I've had very similar buildup in a couple loops until I went with the ZMT tubing.
I had a Cooler Master Wraith Ripper tower cooler for 2950X and when I upgraded to 3970X went with Thermaltake 360 TR4 Edition AIO.Buddy of mine went with Cooler master ML360 TR4 but he keept complaining about the plastic mounting brackets so try to avoid that one too.So far for me the Thermaltake 360 is good,its just an asetek pump block with a bigger cold plate,nothing fancy.
In The Pale Moonlight is one of my favorite Star Trek episodes, nice *reference!
I'm so glad we finally got to meet Amber's workspace!!!!. Wait, who's Amber?
I'm Amber 🤔 ~ Editor Amber
@@Level1Techs * Gasps *
Crud looking like sand might very well be plasticizer from the hoses.
I have the 3970x and have been using the Thermaltake Floe Riing RGB 360 TR4 Edition. So far no complaints. Temps are around 72 to 78 with stress tests and 38 at idle.
Bought a liqtech2 at the end of 2018, after one year it was full of crap inside. I contacted Enermax and they sent me a replacement. Since then (so, end of 2019) it's working without any problem or degradation.
Amber living the life in that partly bricked and extremely well heated corner!
Yep, been using my Noctua tower cooler for around a decade. They sent me an AM4 mounting adapter free.
I spy with my little eye a board that hasn't been reviewed and it's not housing an x86 CPU. Will there ever be a review or a video on the RISC V developement board that you have? I think it would be really interesting since the surge of the ARM architecture thanks to Apple!
Amber deserves only the best
_engagement_
Glad to know that my LIQTECH II wasn't a dud. I had a similar overheating issue with my Ryzen 7. Suddenly started hard locking and would idle at 65C. Took apart the cold plate and found a sandy grit clogging the microfins. Cleaned it out the best I could, got it back working and it clogged within another month. It was a bit sad because I had an original LIQTECH for 3 years and no issues, this one barely lasted a year.
Yay they hooked you up Amber!
I know you like to respond to the comments, so, hello again, and welcome back!!!
Thank you I appreciate that :) ~ Editor Amber
50 pts to Wendell for the "It's a fake " ST DS9 reference.
Bought a Deepcool 280mm for my 5950x. Looking forward to using that next week.
i have been servicing TR setup owner was hyped on AIO cooling with Enermax, i swapped his AIO to noctua and how he is impressed how fast his old PC is ;p
Based on the corrosion patches stretching beyond the rubber gasket sealing the coldplate; this problem has to be in that gasket.
This is one of the many reasons I went custom loop, air coolers were pushing it, AIOs either didn't have coverage or were flakey, my custom loop has had no issues. The heatkiller threadripper block has been excellent.
Same here man. Never had an issue with custom loop so far.
why do you need water cooling?
@@milchkopf3881 Because its superior to air? Because it looks good? Because he is able and willing to put the effort in? Pick one, stupid question.
this is a little funny...
i had one fail last year, they sent me a replacement which failed last week lol
i went with a deepcool castle 360, it wasnt my top choice but kinda needed something urgently
always keep a decent air cooler around for those emergencies.
Thank you for releasing this now, I am sourcing parts for a 3960x build and almost pulled the trigger to refurb. Guess that plan is out the window.
I am using a car radiator solution at 50%. I got mixed metals, copper, aluminum, stainless steel (contain at lets 3 metals) connectors. Using it on a home built with the pump separated from cpu cold plate. I was using it for 5 years for an AMD DRR2 CPU and trough it down and it did not have any contaminates!
Nice to see that new logo! That old "breathing" logo drove me nuts!
I have a 3970X and previously a 2990WX and a 1950X before that and my two Enermax Liqtech I and II has also failed. I dismantled the II and cleaned/flushed and refilled with car orange glycol in 1/3 solution. However the pump failed after a year while the new coolant seemed to do OK. I have a Noctua NH-U14S as spare cooler for when I need to wait for a new liquid cooler. Now I have the Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 installed. Will be interesting to see how that one holds up over time. For running the 3970X @ stock the Noctua NH-U14S does the job admirable and no liquid cooler are required.
I have a gen 1 Enermax on my 1920x and it too suffered from the goop. However i swapped the fluid out for some XSPC stuff a couple of years ago and its been fine ever since. Even the original fans still work. As long as it continues to function i'm still going to use it.
However i have the exact same cooler as Wendell on standby for if it goes wrong.
The Model M actually caught my eye right before you pointed it out. On a side note, several months ago I advised a friend to get an Enermax LIQTECH III 360 for his 5800X, fully aware of the issues with the first and second gen LIQTECHs, so I'm hoping that works out. But honestly, I doubt he'll notice either way.
I went the Noctua route on mine once I first heard of this issue a while back. Fits just great in a Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL with a 3090 and some GSkill Ripjaws (non-RGB, low rise) RAM.
honestly, engine coolant has been my go to
I believe the cooler that you want to use is the IceGiant ProSiphon Elite. LTT reviewed a unit working on a Threadripper 3970. $170 includes 4 fans and grizzly kryonaut
Enermax might have gotten the most flack for this but really basically all my AIO have died in 3-5 years which is unacceptable to me. I have since gone all air cooling and haven't looked back.
same!
I agree to a point that all AIO's suck, but Enermax is the worst IMHO, as back in March of 2017 I bought an Enermax ELC-LMR120-BS Liqmax II 120s , which is a single rad that came with their 120mm Batwings fans for push pull airflow. I put it on my old AMD A-10 5800K OC @ 4.1 all core, and the dang thing did not last 6 months before the pump started to act up, and the fans where always noisy AF!!! I went back to air cooling as well, and have not looked back.
normally most AIO failure in the long run are cause by permeation due to too much heat load,
but the Enermax there is something wrong with their cleaning and other processes or built material or both.
3/5 years isnt bad. In Liqtech's case.. the failure rate is above 80% after 1 year.
THAT is Xbox levels of unacceptable.
@@1BigBen And permeation is a user issue from mounting it improperly. Permeation happens regardless, but mounted improperly, it speeds up and fails 10x sooner.
I have used the Cooler Master TR 360 and I had my first one die this year from around 2018. It had cooled a 1950X mainly used for 3D rendering (Cycles) and editing. I have a second one now and no issues yet. It cannot cool the 3970x TR long term but that is fine as a custom loop is pretty much needed to render with it.
The obvious answer is custom cooling, which gives you a choice of several full cover water blocks, including ones that also cool the VRM's (motherboard-specific, obviously).
A custom loop is more expensive, of course, but you get more control over the components, which allows for better cooling and lower noise than any AIO or air cooler.
You're looking pretty good after that shuttle incident, Senator Vreenak.
Wish I could say I was surprised that an Enermax product failed though. They've been on my don't buy, don't recommend list for years and years now.
But for something as critical as Editor Amber's machine, Ditch the water cooling and for for the reliable Nocuta.
I pushed the easy button and got the noctua. We need a comparison of other products on the market.
imo it's full custom loop, with proper maintenance that is involved with going full custom, or simple air cooling for it's low maintenance and longevity, although the thermo siphon might be a good option, going back and looking at your icegiant prosiphon elite video.
Your first video and the Gamer's Nexus video motivated me to replace the Gen 1 Enermax AIO in an expensive BOXX system at work. Noctua for the Win.
You could have replaced it with a AiO that doesnt suck, but ya, lets push the agenda that all AiOs are bad.
I've been using just a the 240mm Corsair H100i Capellix with my 3970x daily for about six months with no issues. Runs at about 60c after about 20 min under load doing C++ dev with larger compile times. A lot of my coworkers use the 360mm variant and I haven't heard of an issues from them either
When a fan fails on me, I use whatever is nearby, including desk fans. They *always* outperform small case/cooler fans. Maybe a Noctua tower with lots and *lots* of airflow?
I am sufficiently skeptical about liquid cooling that I would not consider buying a cheap one. Air cooling is just as good for the same fin area, so that is first choice for a machine that you expect to keep for a while. Of course, there are no air equivalents of dual 360mm radiators, so there are limits.
Liquid only from a top vendor with a long warranty.
Tower cooler or custom loop remain the only solid choices for Threadripper. I went custom loop with a Heatkiller IV block on the 3960X 6 months ago, no problems to report. I like quality AIOs, there just haven't been any available with full coverage for Threadripper.
To avoid stripping tiny screws (i've done it plenty of times) you can try non-ferrous machine screws. They won't be magnetic, but they'll hold up well.
Yeah, in mine, the pump died too, and I got my money back. Never did open it as I shipped it back. I got the Noctua tower cooler which works well of course, and I only have the 2950X. But I would like to keep it cooler. But I think I heard something from Noctua that a bigger tower is coming, or maybe I remember wrong. I would maybe go water again, but not without a full coverage cold plate.
Thanks to videos like this I swore off ALL liquid cooling. Thanks!
LMAO
The new Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora AIO looks reliable and full IHS coverage. I'd trust that one since it basically is using real DIY custom loop components. Price looks very reasonable for a 360mm too. $200. You'd have to spend $150 more for DIY components in a custom loop. All my Ryzen 24/32 core/Epyc 24/32 core computers are running full custom loops since they run flat out 100% 24/7. No problems at all after 3 years.
It's interesting you upload this video today, I was just relooking at yours and Steve Burkes coverage of these Enermax coolers for Threadripper, as I was questioning the overall performance of my AIO on my 2990WX, a MSI's MAGCORE 360R cooler. I keep the CPU in a BIOS configured Precision Boost Overdrive, 500W, manual Scaler set to 4X. It ran solid for the first 4 months with it but for last 3 months I had it off because I was awaiting a GPU replacement, now it's back up and I can't hit my previous achieved CPUz Benchmark numbers and I'm wondering if the CPU is getting hotter quicker.
So I been looking at AIOs out there and once again I'm reminded how there's barely any good AIOs for Threadripper.
My 2990WX seem to be idling at 34-42C still on the 360R cooler though, but it does heat up quick.
I been aiming for maximum performance off this CPU.
Motherboard: MSI X399 MEG Creation
RAM: 64GB DDR4 @ 3000 CL16
prior to last year I had this CPU paired with the MSI X399 SLI Plus, and a Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240 cooler, and wasn't getting nearly enough performance off the top in that setup, without having to disable cores.
Custom loop or Icegiant thermosiphon are the highest performing options. The Liqtech II is such a disappointment, I'm so glad I did not get one when I got my 1950X.
You might want to take a look at the Alphacool Eisbaer Pro Aurora line. All copper and refillable with full die coverage.
5:52 I understood that reference!
Should consider getting some monitor arms for that desk too and put the computer on the other side of the cube-wall, it really helps the mind work better when the desk doesnt look cluttered :)
We use SpaceCo monitor arms, and LOL L1 has never had a cleaned off counter ~ Editor Amber
Surprise Vreenak _(Stephen McHattie)_ camo! Wohooo!
I've had good performance with Corsair 115i 280mm AIO on two TR4 1950 systems. I imagine the 150i 360 AIO is also a worthy choice.
Yes, Gamers Nexus had bad luck with those AIOs too. There are just fewer choices for TR AIOs.
He mentioned that at around 6:20
@@thomasphillips885 I was just agreeing with Wendell
Meanwhile I'm here with a 3600 chugging happily along with its stock cooler.
Though my case is a bit unusual with the back fan as intake and front fans as outtakes, this is thanks to my RX580 being a furnace and blowing out air front and back rather than sides, caused a huge hot air bubble at the front when those were intakes.
Nice Senator Vreenak impersonation you got there...
I did a custom loop with EK it worked great for Threadripper
Us too! ruclips.net/video/5qVA_dT-1A4/видео.html ~ Editor Amber
i use a watercool heatkiller IV TR in a custom loop, wich works with out problems.
I had a Liqmax II 240 AIO on a 1700X for 3 years. The 1700X was overclocked slightly during that time. Then one day, the computer kept turning off. I opened the PC (I built it), made sure all the connections were good and the power supply was putting out the proper voltage. Start the computer, a few moments later, it would shut off.
I put my finger on the CPU pump and it was HOT. Took out the AIO and put in a Hyper 212 and gave it to my wife who doesn't do anything stressful.
I was sad over the fact that the AIO didn't last. I didn't open it to look at it after watching Gamers Nexus reporting on the "gunk". Now, watching Wendell removing the Liqtech II, which was "suppose" to have addressed this problem... I will not consider Enermax (whose products looked good, have good initial performance and are priced right) for anything.
This video hurts their credibility and will hurt their sales.
Thanks Wendell for doing this.... no more, as you say, "throwing good money after bad...."
If you use the proper coolant you can avoid metal corrosion like that. There are automotive coolant compositions (BASF G12++ for exmple) that will successfully stop corrosion like this from building up. Even if you combine copper, aluminium and other metals.
I am running the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro TR4 - I really wanted the Liqtech II, but I didn't trust them after your last videos on them a while back… and the GN one… still wondering if there is a good AIO for Threadripper…
I had an original H80 that ran until last year - a full 10 years.
The waxy and sandy buildup is probably the plasticizer in the tubes breaking down.
The "waxy" stuff is probably plasticizer from the hoses. Cheap hoses do that, and the problem gets worse with heat. I first became aware of this when doing Folding at Home, as my loop very quickly deteriorated when the machine was working hard 24/7.
My first 360mm TR LiqTech II OC died within half a year. The inlet was blocked by some big rock-like formation. The pump itself was full of smaller... minerals.. residue? Something... It was a horror show. Anyway, the system overheated after a few minutes after a cold boot. Luckily the replacement that Enermax sent has lasted almost 2 years now and I hope it will last a few more years. I haven't serviced the new unit in any way. The CPU is 2950X. Has been lightly clocked for the entire time.
Nice conclusion to the story, but sad to see the time fly.
Almost picked one up for the old 1920x in the studio. Good to know Gen2 is just as bad.
Icegiant Prosiphon Elite FTW
and I only got one of these secondhand a week ago, turns out it was gunked up and likely has leaked. I have cleaned it and was about to refill it now wondering if I should bother.
I liked the Corsair AiO's - until H80 and the replacement from H80i died in one of the PC's. The other PC had H100, H110 fail and moved to NZXT Kraken X-65 which failed too - both machines are rocking the Noctua towers for over a year now - just have been cleaning the fins of dust ... and no issues this far. I really liked the AiO idea - water cooling made simple and easy - but the reliability just is not there for me.
I'm on air for my PC needs, one linux desktop doubling as a ZFS NAS, one PFSense router and another system for mainly media storage.Oh, and a backup system upstairs. All Noctua. M1 mac mini on the desk for now, which doesn't really need cooling. It's literally a tablet chip now.
We have 5 of them and replaced 4 of them at least 3 times on garantue. Crap! Switched to corsair and have still no problems.
Speaking of time bombs… I have decided to resurrect my RMA-ed Liqtech after having it for 2 yrs on my floor… As I unscrewed cold plates 3rd screw, it just “exploded”, bending cold plate and spraying me and my living room with all the gunk that was inside…. It was really surprising how much pressure it held. When I fixed it all and put HQ mixed metals coolant in and installed it I discovered that radiator has inflated channels and air cannot flow trough it, if you put flashlight behind, no light goes trough. :( so sad.. I had the Noctua shown in video installed on my 2990wx since the RMA
GET THE ICE GIANT! I would love to see how it holds up long term
You mean this video? ruclips.net/video/fif2taN_GMg/видео.html ~ Editor Amber
I was hoping to see the after temps on the Noctua!
All of my corsair aios have been bad too.
I have a cheapo xigmatek 240mm cooler I bought for $60 that has been working great for 4 years, still the same healthy temperatures.
Two different 6700k builds and now on a 10900f.
I too put noctua fans on it.
My only complaint is the water is a little loud? Like maybe there's air in it.
It sounds like a HDD scratching but its coming from the copper plate, not the pump or a hdd etc.
It's not loud, I'm just sensitive to noise.
The icegiant thermosyphon is the best for threadripper, or so I've heard
I'm glad I haven't spend money on watercoolers since year 2009. One sample was enough.
Seems like the Ice Giant might really be the way to go for anyone seeking better cooling for their Threadripper that is not willing to go all out and build a custom loop.
I had the same issue with my h100i. lasted about 6 years, But I think I am going to stick with air cooling too.
Nothing wrong with 6 years. If it was even slightly less than 6 years you could have RMA'd it for a brand new one.
@@buddydudeguy618 Not worth the time, stress, or down time. Unless I am building a high performance GPU render/AI farm it wont be worth it. (even then setting up a closet with a portable AC might be enough to OC quite a bit with less cost in terms of custom loops and such)
You could try the Ice Giant cooler.
It's impressive they managed to so thoroughly screw up those products. Mine died also. A long long time ago.
On the bright side.. I kept the fans. Atleast those are pretty nice
with mixed metals wouldn't the issue be the coolant becomes an electrolyte and the cooler basically electroplated itself to death? Especially if the metals are grounded through the pump housing to the power connecter to the power supply ground? Extremely low voltage yes but over the course of a year microvolts would be enough.
I remember seing video about them and their failure rate from another youtuber , and was like why did you buy one of those ...and then 3 failled ones....well thats massive warning that i dont even want them close to my system let alone proffesional editorial system that you make living ......anyway good video XD
Woot!
That sand is galvanic corrosion, experienced that in Barton time. I did not believe that corrosion can occur in distilled water. Put Copper and Aluminum in clean large plastic box on opposite sides and only distilled water. After few days there is little black deposits on one metal and lot of white crystals on other.
I am so happy I got the D15 for my 10900k
A 280mm x63 beats it handily, but ya, lets stick with how bad AiOs are just because of this one singular bad AiO mishap.
moved to air coolers, no issues since
lul
Does anyone have a good recommendation for AIO cooling thread rippers?
Replaced >20 of those with the "easy button" Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 with a second NF-A15. Almost all have a high load daily. 1 failed fan after 18 months but that's it.
failed noctua fan? You're either the luckiest of unluckiest man on earth.
There's one by Coolermaster AIO TR4, not too sure on the longevity of those..
no temps of the new cooler?
Against all that is sensible I actually bought the Liqmax III ARGB and it has not been making issues for... About a year now as well I'd say and I am led to believe that at least the version III is functioning as intended.
I dunno some of enermax' products are absolute bangers while other times it's like they let people with no experience design their stuff.
Good to know. We got ours replaced and didn't even ebay them after switching to noctua. Will test a couple.
I got a warranty replacement for mine that I was going to do a the fluid replacement on and then throw into my server box. Guess I'll figure out something else. If so many fluid mixes had issues, then their story of this being an issue with their mixture doesn't check out. Clearly something about the materials they used was problematic. I wouldn't be surprised if the quality of one of the metals was beyond what the mixed metal additives can handle. Depending on the additives that corrosion manifested in different ways.
Replace with Icegiant Thermosiphon?
Model M keyboard - not only the best keyboard ever. It also is a lethal weapon.
I wasn't willing to spend the $$$ or do the maintenance required to replace a LiqYeck II with a custom loop so I puta DarkRock Pro TR4 on my 2950x threadripper after the second LickYeck II 360 stopped giving good thermals. I though of using another AIO but all the supposed TR4 aios don't have full coverage cold plates. The DarkRock Pro TR4 more or less keeps the 2950x thermals under control but the fans definitely make their presence known when rendering video or doing something else that that gets the long term attention of all the cores / threads. Adding insult to injury the Lian Li pc-o11 dynamic doesn't have sufficient room for a tower cooler so I had to migrate the system to another case - Fractal R6 - abandoning most of the cool custom cables I had mad for the Lian Li case installtion. Ennermucks, I will *****NEVER***** buy another of your products.
This is one reason (cost being the other) I have not upgraded to a newer Threadripper. It looked to me that custom loop is the only way to do a serious cooling job on a 32 or 64 core threadripper. Not to mention needing a 360mm aio to cool my credit card if I bought one...
Say AMD, if nobody else is going to make a good aio cooling solution for threadrippers, why don't you guys do it? You might sell more of those cpus!
I installed the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 on my 5950x and have no complaints so far. Its only been several months so I can't speak to longevity.
You picked possibly the best AiO available and it will last a long time. Tons of people are using this video as confirmation bias for their one off experiences, or they too wasted their money on a Enermax and now go " see! AiO's are teh fail! hur dur".
Thank you for reaffirming my dislike of Enermax. Just nope on their AIO coolers 👎... I don't know about full coverage cold plates but I've been happy for several years now with my Cooler master TR4-SP3 specific AIO on a 2950x.