Weakest to strongest 1. Human ichigo start of series 2. Fullbring first form(hilt shuriken) 3. Unreleased zanpakuto subsitute soul reaper ichigo early series 4. Fullbring 2nd form(semi shihakusho and blade with bringer's light) 5. Shikai ichigo first appearance 6. Final fullbring ichigo(people would debate it's higher since it was kinda blitzing tsukishima who was captain level, but its really inconsistent since at the same time we see his getsuga barely destroy 2 or 3 trees, way smaller feat than other shikai versions of ichigo) 7. Shikai Ichigo soul society bridge fight vs unreleased byakuya(captain level spiritual pressure as stated, somehow.) 8. Shikai Ichigo rukia execution pull up 9. Shikai Ichigo with hollow mask vs hiyori(white takeover) 10. Shikai ichigo fullbringer arc regaining his powers 11. Bankai Ichigo first appearance 12. Bankai Ichigo half hollow mask 13. Bankai ichigo full hollow mask 14. Bankai ichigo half hollow mask(under White's control) 15. Fullbring bankai ichigo 16. Fullbring bankai ichigo rage amp with blut vene vs base yhwach 17. Vasto lorde Ichigo 25% shihakusho vs segunda ulquiorra 18. Dangai Ichigo 19. True Shikai Ichigo 20. Final getsugatenshou Ichigo 21. Horn of salvation broken true bankai ichigo 22. Horn of salvation full potential true bankai ichigo(hypothetical if yhwach didnt break it) 23. Hellverse Ichigo
@@srnova9486 final getsuga is a manifestation of all the power available to ichigo that old man zangetsu COULDN'T supress. The fused zanpakuto w dangai ichigo was also his fake one. Horn of salvation is a manifestation of his powers from every race. fgt was a manifestation of all the available power that was not able to be suppressed(a fraction of what he unlocks after acquiring his true zanpakuto)
@@srnova9486 True Shikai is equal to or stronger than Dangai. Dangai pushed Ichigo to his full potential at that time, however once gaining True Shikai he gained his full potential and then some since coming to the realization of his soul.
You forgot some and messed up the order a bit. His 2nd mask, which was a bit above VL, his TS HoS, which is logically above just TS, and ofc TS, as stated by Yhwach, is equal to or stronger than Mugetsu. And if we also count non canon official forms, there are also: Lunar Ichigo (Bleach Brave Souls 2nd Anniversary), Beyond Bankai Ichigo (Bleach Brave Souls 5th Anniversary), Fullbring Quincy Ichigo (Bleach Brave Souls 7th Anniversary) and Full Power Mastery Ichigo (Bleach Brave Souls New Years 2019). I'd say besides the first one, all of these should be at least at FGT Level
dudes bankai was so bad news that the main villain had to go in future and break it just so he wouldnt be able to use it, i mean my man could have just foreseen all his attacks and just dodge them but even that seemed like too much to handle i guess
nah he couldnt just dodge it thats why he broke it. Bro looked into the future and didnt see any possibilities of beating it, so he just broke it immediately
Just a little bit of Information HoS is not even his "final form" Kubo stated that the more Ichigo will come close to a full mature form of his power the more his true form will look like his Vasto Lorde form :D
@@HeyItsKeshklub outside. Also it’s kind of universally agreed on that Ichigo was only “beginning” to scratch the surface of his power, seeing that he couldn’t draw out the full power of his entire being on his own yet.
The horn of salvation should’ve been seen to its full potential instead of getting cut down & not using it . I would’ve liked to see how crazy he would’ve gotten or done with that form but nobody will ever know.
Funny enough, now in the Hell Arc, we see Zangetsu in it's classic Shikai. I've heard that he can alter its appearance, but opted for what we got used to for the majority of Bleach.
@@Azrael713 Nah kubo stated that ichigo can now choose to manifest his zanpakuto as one or two blades because he fully understands it. And for the whole series he's always in his shikai release
The hell arc design also confirmed that the Oken clothing isn’t something that’s inherent to his shinigami form anymore. Squad 0 probably took it back after the war or it fully burned up during the fight with Yhwach.
The difference isn't as big as it seems, the main difference is that final Getsuga converges into a singular one-use attack, afterwards is useless, while full hollow had half the strength of Dangai with only around 15% of the shikakusho. To me the scale in power would be like: Mugetsu > Full hollow > Dangai Whereas in usage I would go Full hollow > Dangai > Mugetsu. If mugetsu wasn't a single use attack it would be the second best transformation, but as of now I would say it's like HoS > True Shikai > Full hollow > Dangai > Mugetsu. This last list isn't about the power, but about how useful they are. Obviously Mugetsu is probably the weakest link in usage because it take away the power of Ichigo, like I said, Mugetsu would be top 2 without the drawback.
@@notthedeadweight scale it however you want, vasto lorde ichigo wouldn’t have man handled Aizen the way Mugetsu did. That’s all there needs to be to it. Aizen would have 0 diffed vasto lorde but got 0 diffed by mugetsu.
@@TheThelazygamerz123 Like I said, with a 15% of the shikakusho, full hollow could do half of what Dangai did. Maybe with full reiatsu full hollow could handle Aizen, but not defeat him given he was immortal, mugetsu was needed to strip him from his divinity momentarily with its unfathomable power, so Urahara could trap him. I'm not saying by any means that it is more powerful, full hollow wouldn't defeat Aizen because even if it's more powerful than Dangai, it wouldn't have the same effect and power as mugetsu does, so Aizen would eventually win. Then again, I see full hollow as better than mugetsu because it's a power that can be reused, not because it's more powerful, it is not, but it at least can be used the times you want, while with mugetsu it's one attack and bye bye powers.
@@notthedeadweight would mugetsu one shot vasto lorde? Yes. That’s as far as the discussion on which is stronger needs to go. There’s no need to try to power scale it. If we go by the logic that vasto lorde could only do half of what Dangai could do, it definitely couldn’t handle aizen in the slightest
@@notthedeadweightVasto Lorde showed a dimensional attack in hell that destroyed the Hell Gate. And he had less than half of the reiatsu, as in the battle with Ulkiorra, as can be seen from the amount of his clothes, which he later told Unohana on the way to the fake city of Karakura. Vasto Lorde = or > Dangai forms, but weaker than the Final Getsuga Tenshou form, since she uses all the shinigami's sidi for a short time. Bad English
@@zabougaming4882 Even without the what? 🤣 kid, Base Yhwach was being ragdolled by True Shikai Icgigo 😂😂. He only got the upper hand once he activated his almighty. TS scales far above Base Yhwach. SK Yhwach is an another level of beast.
@@AnimeManTalks he uses horn of salvation in shikai. We get most of the feats for horn of salvation in shikai. Comparing horn of salvation as his true bankai makes no sense. Especially when we do in fact know his bankai ability is something Yhwach called fearful and destroyed before it could be used.
I'm not gonna lie, i do like Ichigo's new sword design, but honestly i eould have liked his bankai to be a double-blade as a symbolic thing that Ichigo is a human, shinigami, quincy, and a fullbringer all in one sort of theme.
I'm confused... In my understanding Dangai and Final Getsuga Tenshou is the same form. I mean Final Getsuga is the strongest attack of Dangai form isn't that it? Or Dangai and Final getsuga is different form?
Even if they don't fully redraw the entire series, it would probably make sense to do an abridged remake to set the stage for TYBW. Important plots and characters only, a lot of timejumps and simplified retcons...
it would be 1. Horn Of Salavtion 2. True Bankai 3. Either FGT or True Shikai. if were doing straight theory's, then its FGT and it isnt close as it's the manifestation of all of Ichigo's powers, however when he used it against Aizen he was basically only using his Quicy powers while everything else was limited. on Manga facts its either or HoS or True Bankai, as both have the same bogo feats in the Manga. though True Bankai and not HoS is what killed Yhwach. so feat wise True Bankai is #1 as for Vasto Lorde, while strong, it's already known that it wouldve been slept by any of the top 3 espada let alone the bs the quincy do.
@@AnimeManTalks you aint wrong, but we also don't know if HoS is directly related to his Bankai or just a Hollow mask substitute. hopefully it gets explained better in the anime. so i'd just go 1. HoS/True Bankai Ichigo 2. True Shikai 3. FGT 4. FB Bankai / Vasto Lorde - either or, could think of arguments for both. more leaning towards FB Bankai though. 5/6. FB Shikai
@@TheMrLBCWarriorAt the very least, Hos is most definitely not tied to his bankai, he's literally just manifesting his hollow side physically (also probably made use of his Quincy blood too when he did his attack). The potential for his true bankai is most likely waaaaaay stronger than horn of salvation. In the first place, it's not like Ichigo needs to be in bankai to access any hollow abilities, and at most any of ichigo's hollow form/hollow power integrated forms just gives him a boost to his base. Bankai, is quite literally just reaching a new level of power for the soul as a whole, so I think it's a pretty fair assessment that true bankai Ichigo would be a tier higher in power the Hos.
Vasto Lorde doesn’t get walled by the top 3 espada. Vasto Lorde + 25% Shihakusho scales above 2nd release Ulquiorra, who is relative or stronger than Resurreccion Barragon and Yammy, but weaker than Starrk Resurreccion and Vasto Lorde Starrk. This means Vasto Lorde + 100% Shihakusho scales above Resurreccion Starrk, but weaker than Vasto Lorde Starrk who Aizen wanted no business with when he wasn’t fused with the Hogyoku. You’re not wrong about Mugetsu, besides the placement. Mugetsu like you said is the manifestation of all of Ichigo’s power meaning depending on Ichigo’s full power and potential, it’ll always be the strongest. It’s due to the fact that it sacrifices all his power for an all out attack. Imo it’s: 0. Mugetsu/FGT 1. True Bankai 2. Dangai/True Shikai(Most translated media equalizes these forms as him gaining his full potential) 3. Vasto Lorde + 25%-100% Shihakusho
I really wanted mugetsu to be his true bankai and one of the reasons he lost his powers is because he wasn’t fully ready for it and forcing his energies to clash together is the other
Well typically as animes go on, the forms develop and increase in capability and strength as does the threat of the next main villain. If Ichigo or any MC got considerably weaker as the show went on then what would be the point. And while yes the max power output of many MC's does get cut to ramp up the suspense, inevitably they always push past their "limits" after chugging a bag of beans or taking a dip in boiling strawberry cream yogurt.
Slight correction. The last one is not true bankai. It's just his horn of salvation form, which is a perfected version of his hollow mask form. He tried to use his Bankai, but before he released it, Ywhach destroyed his blade to prevent it. In TYBW, they specifically say that if Bankai is broken, Zanpakuto can not be fixed, but if Shikai is broken, it can recover itself. By that logic, Ywhach destroyed Ichigo's blade before the bankai. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been repaired.
0) Final Getsuga (theoretically if used at End of Series) 1) Bankai (Unsheathed) + Horn of Salvation 1.5) Bankai (Sheathed) + Horn of Salvation 2) Bankai (Unsheathed) 2.5) Bankai (Sheathed) 3) Shikai + Horn of Salvation 4) Shikai ((Final Getsuga OR Dangai/pre final Getsuga formnat FKT arc ir argued to be comparable to True shikai Ichigo at TYBW)
@@BeaterSimmy can't you read? I literally placed: THEORETICALLY IF USED AT THE END OF THE SERIES. That's also why I placed it in 0. Because Ichigo THEORETICALLY should be able to use it if he decides to.
@@filipe_paixao i honestly just put mugetsu/fgt at 0. at all times, because it’s not theoretical. Ichigo can always use mugetsu, he just won’t because the drawback is too great.
@@BeaterSimmy i forgot how slow in the head people can be that they can read a comment, and still make a stupid comment like this. too many stupid people in this world now a days.
@@ache5168 Yeah, however, I have to place "theoretical" or people like this first guy that commented above you, will not understand. (Somehow, bro still couldn't read it right 💀)
its because people are too stupid to understand that FGT is a technique. The strongest version of Ichigo would be when he use FGT. it's Final Getsugatensho btw mugetsu is simply the name of the attack.
@@Amoeby that make sense because to scale FGT u need to scale Dangai Ichigo not the attack. Dangai and TS are essentially almost the same. both form are no longer being suppressed by OMZ.
@Mozartmeh sternritters arnt even that strong, there only strong because of grand haxs which kubo wrote into the story to get around reatsu negation and they had to steal the soul reapers bankai to even stand a chance which is why they got bodied so hard after they got it back. The only stern Ritter to not get blitzed immediately was the ones that were technically immortal which only died because the quincy king took back some of his power
@@ragnarok160 Every Sternritter is captain level or above. A fast man with a gun was giving Shunsui trouble. Ichigo one shot Candice, who is most certainly stronger than him. You clearly did not watch or read Bleach.
@@Mozartmeh the X literally died to nimaiya and was resurrected by the king and was attacked (his rifle cut multiple times but shunsui) and only gave shunsui trouble because he has a power that negated all his attacks to the point shunsui has to use bankai to literally try and one shot him which he healed from, became an even more powerful being and then had his own attacked reflected to finally kill him
@@ragnarok160 X Axis? His name is Lillie Barro. He was not at full power when Oetsu kill'd him. Also, when did I ever bring up Lillie? Shunsui in Shikai clearly isn't enough for a Sternritter. They're all captain level if a Shikai captain can hardly keep up with them. Quite simple.
@@dwainemassey7863 I think he meant dangai ichigo. True shikai is not taking on Mugetsu equally. If he uses bankai or the Horn then yah I get it but mugetsu was far ahead of yamamoto level and shikai ichigo would still have a fight if he goes against yamamoto.
Mugetsu is basically Ichigo's version of Quincy's letzt stil. He loses his powers for a while just like Ishida, but he had to be reawakened with the aggregate reishi sword.
HOS is not Ichigo's Bankai and HOS was an incomplete form . His true bankai is just his original shikai blade(zangetsu and white) combined with outer white blade covering(white, full briger) and his bankai's power still unknown.
I feel like Kubo kinda got lost in the plot with Dangai Ichigo. He was supposed to be far above evolved Aizen, and in the same fight we're introduced to a brand new concept (transcended spirit energy) and its never fully fleshed out. Ichigo put almost 0% effort for the majority of the fight. Then he goes 100% with the mugetsu which damages Aizen in a way that doesnt really reflect someone whos supposed to be greatly above him. It shouldve obliterated him. Afterwards Dangai Ichigo is never to be seen again. Side Note: Its crazy how people still cant differentiate Dangai Ichigo from the Final Getsuga Tensho.
Am I the only one who found Ichigo's final bankai extremely disappointing? The running theme with Ichigo was always that he was cloaked in his power. But now the final form of his most powerful bankai is... his original shikai with a sheath?
I've seen a lot of discourse in the comments, so I'm going to put everything here that I can. True shikai is stronger than dangai, and true bankai is stronger than mugetsu. However if mugetsu were to be used again it would be stronger. Both feats and statements confirm this. Additionally, I will be using yhe manga as the primary sourse up until TYBW. However, I do believe that the current anime is the most Canon source for TYBW so I will be using that when possible. First in the latest episode, 31, We see Aizen use hado 90, it is stronger than when butterflyzen used it on ichigo and it us even stronger than when monster Aizen attacked dangai ichigo. The other feat of him trying to shoot down the soul kings palace is also a better feat than what monster Aizen did. Kisuke also confirms this to us directly telling us based off the damage that current Aizen is stronger than when he fought ichigo. We have no reason to believe this isnt accurate especially from the smartest character in the series. Urahara was not only smart enough to be instrumental in Aizens defeat, but Also Yhwach as he is the one who summoned the hollows and fullbringers to this war. He is also the one that sent tsukishima to ichigo and tsukishima was instrumental in allowing Zangetsu to be fixed. Almost as though Kisuke onew tsukishima didnt hust affect memories but also affected the timeline itself. So I do not believe him claiming Aizen is currentlyvstronger lightly, nor should anyone. butterflyzen couldnt sense dangai, but monster aizen directly damaged Dangai and destroyed half of his shihakushou, which as he tells unohana is a direct representation of how much reiatsu he has left. We know that when you are sensing reiatsu that You can only sense the amount that someone is allowing to pour from their body, and it is affected by damage. Unohana believed ichigo had avout as much reiatsu as a captain before he revealed he was running on less than half. Monster Aizen upon ichigo going FGT mentions that he cant sense ichigo's reiatsu anymore and seems shookebcby this. Which clearly shows Monster Aizen could sense Dangai's reiatsu. So TYBW Aizen is stronger than monster Aizen. When Aizen fought Yhwach he did not damage yhwach at all, however, was able to put him under KS. Yhwach was able to break out momentarily like when Renji turned into Aizen. This plus not being damaged by aizen shows that Yhwach has more reiatsu as damage and hax can be suppressed with reiatsu as we learn from Kenpachi and Aizen himself. TS ichigo damaged and forced Yhwach to use blut in chapter 676 and 677. We see the Gran Ray Getsuga behind yhwach's head in his shoulder which would mean this attack went through his skin. The next chapter 677 shows him using Blut with this attack. This is the first time Yhwach used Blut after absorbing the soul king. An Aizen stronger than Monster Aizen couldnt damage yhwach where true shikai did. And Monster Aizen was capable of damaging Dangai. FGT didnt kill this weaker Aizen, it didnt even knock him out. We see Yhwach take Aizen fully out of the fight. True Bankai ichigo one shot this yhwach twice, once while Yhwach was at full power. So true shikai is stronger than dangai and true bankai is stronger than FGT. But lets look at some arguments against this idea. First, Askin affected ichigo, if TS ichigo. How? Nanana was able to affect Aizen, specifically due to Nanana's ability being able to find weak points in reiatsu. Much like askin can affect dosage level. Should askin be observing some one nearby for enough time he can passively take in their reiatsu, which we see him watching ichigo before their fight. On top of this ichigo is a striaght forward fighter and not the smartest of fighters. Quite literally askins best possible match up, much like how kenpachi is a bad match up against pernida. Remember TS damaged Yhwach so claiming this moment brings ichigo down anso brings up SK yhwach but it cant because of TYBW aizen is stronger than he was in the past. Which also goes to act as my evidence, Nanana in that specific circumstance with his specific ability was able to affect Aizen. Showing that on the right corcumstance these character can be affected by weaker ones. Ichigo and Aizen were both largely taken off guard, in fact this is one of the only moments Aizen ever seems surprised. Peopel also claim that Yhwach claiming ichigo "regained his powers he used to defeat aizen" is talking about his shinigami powers. This makes little sense because Yhwach fought fullbring bankai ichigo which is a combination of his hollow and shinigami powers. Which remind you we learn White the inner hollow is just ichigos shinigami powers. So it makes very little sense for this to be meaning him regaining his shinigami powers. Additionally the anime changed the line to "Achieving your true power." Which even further moves us away from the idea that this is just talking about gaining shinigami powers. The Blade Is Me is ichigo coming to terms with the fact that both inner spirits are part of him and it even shows the moment where Ichigo let himself be stabbed in the dangai, while explaining this is unneccessary and ichigo doesnt need to do this ever again. Zangetsu is him, any ability zangetsu has is his own ability. The fused sword state is stated by Aizen to be the next level for shinigami. Yet stronger chair Aizen doesnt have his sword and when his chair breaks he suddenly has it again. However when he uses it in the final fight it is no longer attached to his arm. Kubo has confirmed ichigo can choose to have 1 or 2 swords whenever he uses zangetsu because once you learn you and your sword are one and the same you get better control, much like how we learn captains can control the size of their sword. This fused sword state is the same state ichigo is in after he achieves his true Shikai. I welcome anyone who reads this to peovide more evidence to prove me wrong. If anyone has any questions I am more than happy to answer them. TLDR, True shikai is stronger than dangai and True bankai is stronger than Mugetsu in the state we saw mugetsu.
Guys do you agree that Ichigo Final Getsuga was his Quincy power cuz Old man Zangetsu give that power to Ichigo but that Old man Zangetsu was Yhwach and we all now about Quincy ability when they use there powers there eyes turn into red and ichigo's eyes turn into red when he activated his Final Getsuga
Mugetsu is a Shinigami technique, and it would only sacrifice his Shinigami side. To sacrifice all of his powers, a technique would need to combine the technique Ishida used against Mayuri with Mugetsu (and a technique that sacrifices his Hollow powers).
@@zabougaming4882 ichigo's mugetsu literally sacrificed all his bloodline powers that were available by the time he used it on aizen. The black hair and red eyes symbolized his Quincy powers representing yhwach and the bandage like thing on his lower face and his body symbolized his hollow powers
@@tuhinxtaken he only sacrificed his shinigami power otherwise he would not have had the ability to become fullbringer, and literally regained all of these powers just with reatsu shinigami...
My personal list: 1. Final getsuga tenshou 2. Dangai 3. True bankai 4. true shikai 5. Vasto lorde İ think final getsuga tenshou is straight equal to yhwach or maybe soul king level considering that he was SİGNİFİCANTLY stronger than aizen in his butterfly form. Btw butterfly motif is a direct refferance to soul king. Aizen was evolving to the soul king by using hogyoku there, that was his whole plan. İts clear that aizen was becoming more alike like soul king. He became a 6 winged butterfly which is the direct description of soul kings true form in many scenes. Aizen transformed 4 times there since he battled yamamoto. So we can say aizen in that state was significantly stronger than yamamoto, which is considered as a great threat for yhwach. İchigo was so powerfull that aizen could even sense his reiatsu. Could you imagine?
@@gama3040 thinking true bankai is weaker than dangai is actually wild. Kisuke confirmed Aizen got stronger in the chair. This stronger Aizen didn't damage Yhwach once but true shikai Ichigo damaged Yhwach in 676. True bankai fully killed Yhwach and forced him to revive twice in one hit. Aizen didn't even enter a death state when hit by Mugetsu. And based on Yhwach getting one shot twice by true bankai, true bankai is clearly above SK Yhwach. The soul king I don't believe has ever been described to have wings. Not once. Aizen couldn't sense ichigo's reiatsu in butterflyzen form. Once he transformed into his monster state he even did damage to Ichigo. A single attack damaged half of ichigo's shihakusho and damaged his arm. As we know from his talk with unohana his shihakusho in bankai directly shows how much reiatsu he has left. TYBW Aizen is confirmed stronger than monster Aizen. Based off what Aizen and Kenpachi say about negating abilities and damage with reiatsu we can very clearly scale these characters. True shikai and true bankai are stronger than dangai and Mugetsu. First ichigo's false zanpakuto does mean he can't achieve his full power in dangai form. This is part of the whole reason he had to recreate his zanpakuto. During this time he learns "the sword is me" which is an internalization of him and Zangetsu being one. Very reminiscent of the fused state between the two of them. True shikai Ichigo also received special training from ichibei no one else did. A path that has him hold the pressure of all 3 worlds. He also was directly infused with soul king reiatsu which permanently changed his reiatsu to be golden in color.
Ichigo would have been leagues stronger if he didn't lose his fullbring, it is widely accepted that ichigo's fullbring reached its final state but that's not true, his fullbring kept evolving the more it merged with his shinigami powers, his fullbring kept evolving and would have continued to do so as Ichigo became stronger and learned about his zanpakuto
I dont know if him being in his full form shikai is stronger than final getsuga tenshou. Its so powerful that using it literally uses up all his spiritual energy permanently
Who is the main character in bleach? Cause it could never be Ichigo. No matter how he trains to come back with a stronger power to fight the villain, he still gets a proper beat down
I’d say final getsugatwnsho is his strongest, cause it is a single attack that uses all his existing power, so remember, when he fought aizen he was only using a small portion of his true power.
I dont see why people think dangai/mugetsu isnt ichigo' s peak of power, aizen literally couldn't sense his reiatsu, that aizen which was stronger than all shinigamis. I know that true shikai or whatever ichigo came later, and yeah it fuses all his power, but can u understand that everyone could feel his reiatsu? Even rukia and denji, and thats talking about dangai, mugetsu one shot aizen, ONE SHOT. And no mugetsu is clearly a stronger stage than horn of salvation and true bankai, thats why he lost his powers, not only because of aizen evolutions, but to balance for the next arcs
The one horn form is his bankai? IDK if this is a spoiler, but.... I thought that was his true shikai from combining the two swords and Yhwach broke his sword so he couldn't go bankai. IDK that's what I've heard and read from... "Sources", not manga related.
They need to change his bankai because its so wack. Kubo couldn't find a way to incorporate it without it looking so off. Ichigo looks like some un finished chimera. It just doesn't look good
Mugestu is a form ichigo will always have access to it is his strongest form if he used it with true Bankai it would obviously be stronger than when he used it against aizen.
Some misunderstandings on your part and a lot of people in comment section. Bankai > shikai Horn of Salvation + shikai > Shikai Horn of Salvation + bankai > bankai
@@filipe_paixao he did not state it in the video, he just showed clips of them together. or did you miss that part, he’s also said it himself. he did not want to separate the two forms, since it’s a 1min short.
Should have kept his hallow mask with his new attire, and I mean the vasto lorde mask with both arms but with his hallow eyes and voice! But noooooo we got this hybrid bs bankai
Imagine Ichibei stealing Mugestsus black 😮Mugetsu would be Cooked..... Imagine of he fought Shunsui and he activated the color demon game in Shikai and chose the color black, manz would've dealt 90% damage with a single hit😮😮😮
I am almost certain we do t actually know how strong dangai / final getsuga Ichigo was vs true bankai Cuz final getsuga basically merged himself with ALL of his power EASILY overpowering aizen There is a real chance final getsuga / dangai Ichigo was stronger then true bankai Ichigo And for the simple reason that it was a concentrated form with all of his powers active at once to the point nobody could sense him And ppl could sense Ichigo before he went horn of salvation They couldn't sense dangai ichigo
Still crazy to think that ichigo learned his true bankai in like what 2 years when most other captains hundreds only person less that we know of is toshiro not including unhara as hes using that cheat method
@22mrcaj that is fair im not 100% sure tho if that's how it works if the complexity of the bankai makes it harder to learn as far as I remember it's more just subjecting the bankai, I'm also not talking about zangetstu I'm talking about white as zangetsu was his false bankai
@@michaeldavis8918 When I say simple I mean that zangetsu’ techniques don’t really change between shikai and bankai, it’s still only getsugas, where as other shikai and bankai have drastically different abilities. Zangetsu both fake and true only fire off reiatsu slashes.
Weakest to strongest
1. Human ichigo start of series
2. Fullbring first form(hilt shuriken)
3. Unreleased zanpakuto subsitute soul reaper ichigo early series
4. Fullbring 2nd form(semi shihakusho and blade with bringer's light)
5. Shikai ichigo first appearance
6. Final fullbring ichigo(people would debate it's higher since it was kinda blitzing tsukishima who was captain level, but its really inconsistent since at the same time we see his getsuga barely destroy 2 or 3 trees, way smaller feat than other shikai versions of ichigo)
7. Shikai Ichigo soul society bridge fight vs unreleased byakuya(captain level spiritual pressure as stated, somehow.)
8. Shikai Ichigo rukia execution pull up
9. Shikai Ichigo with hollow mask vs hiyori(white takeover)
10. Shikai ichigo fullbringer arc regaining his powers
11. Bankai Ichigo first appearance
12. Bankai Ichigo half hollow mask
13. Bankai ichigo full hollow mask
14. Bankai ichigo half hollow mask(under White's control)
15. Fullbring bankai ichigo
16. Fullbring bankai ichigo rage amp with blut vene vs base yhwach
17. Vasto lorde Ichigo 25% shihakusho vs segunda ulquiorra
18. Dangai Ichigo
19. True Shikai Ichigo
20. Final getsugatenshou Ichigo
21. Horn of salvation broken true bankai ichigo
22. Horn of salvation full potential true bankai ichigo(hypothetical if yhwach didnt break it)
23. Hellverse Ichigo
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Dangai and Fingal Getsuga > True Bankai
@@srnova9486 final getsuga is a manifestation of all the power available to ichigo that old man zangetsu COULDN'T supress. The fused zanpakuto w dangai ichigo was also his fake one. Horn of salvation is a manifestation of his powers from every race. fgt was a manifestation of all the available power that was not able to be suppressed(a fraction of what he unlocks after acquiring his true zanpakuto)
@@srnova9486 True Shikai is equal to or stronger than Dangai. Dangai pushed Ichigo to his full potential at that time, however once gaining True Shikai he gained his full potential and then some since coming to the realization of his soul.
You forgot some and messed up the order a bit. His 2nd mask, which was a bit above VL, his TS HoS, which is logically above just TS, and ofc TS, as stated by Yhwach, is equal to or stronger than Mugetsu. And if we also count non canon official forms, there are also: Lunar Ichigo (Bleach Brave Souls 2nd Anniversary), Beyond Bankai Ichigo (Bleach Brave Souls 5th Anniversary), Fullbring Quincy Ichigo (Bleach Brave Souls 7th Anniversary) and Full Power Mastery Ichigo (Bleach Brave Souls New Years 2019). I'd say besides the first one, all of these should be at least at FGT Level
dudes bankai was so bad news that the main villain had to go in future and break it just so he wouldnt be able to use it, i mean my man could have just foreseen all his attacks and just dodge them but even that seemed like too much to handle i guess
nah he couldnt just dodge it thats why he broke it. Bro looked into the future and didnt see any possibilities of beating it, so he just broke it immediately
Imagine yourself standing in the rain on an open field, but the drops are blades... Now dodge! 😂
@@FJAK2049 yuwach brought an umbrella
It's lazy writing. We want to see a battle. Not a future rewriting history bs.
@@kitcloudkicker72 it wasnt lazy writing, it was rushed writing due to having to meet deadlines which he is revising and fixing now
Looks like someone didn’t miss the part where yhwach directly stated that true shikai regained the powers he had once used to defeat aizen
Feats >>> statements
@@paulmike2787Yep especially when the feats and statements line up
@@deondremorris475 except in bleach, they rarely do
No he didnt
@@vZinDix I mean he quite literally did. But I wouldn’t expect a non manga reader to understand
Just a little bit of Information HoS is not even his "final form" Kubo stated that the more Ichigo will come close to a full mature form of his power the more his true form will look like his Vasto Lorde form :D
Where was this stated at?
@@HeyItsKeshklub outside. Also it’s kind of universally agreed on that Ichigo was only “beginning” to scratch the surface of his power, seeing that he couldn’t draw out the full power of his entire being on his own yet.
The horn of salvation should’ve been seen to its full potential instead of getting cut down & not using it . I would’ve liked to see how crazy he would’ve gotten or done with that form but nobody will ever know.
perhaps the anime will make some changes who knows
Always a chance we see more flushed out scenes and context he already did it once with squad zero using a bankai
@@unkwxnx supposedly Kubo is working on continuing the Hell arc that he only wrote one chapter to.
Or maybe we'll see in hell arc (if we get it)@@bourne.
@@brandonjohnston8859Yeah. The 3rd cour 1st episode was half anime-only things.
I will watch this when I finish the series
Funny enough, now in the Hell Arc, we see Zangetsu in it's classic Shikai. I've heard that he can alter its appearance, but opted for what we got used to for the majority of Bleach.
I thought the classic look was just it's sealed form then shikai release is dual wield.
@@Azrael713 Nah kubo stated that ichigo can now choose to manifest his zanpakuto as one or two blades because he fully understands it. And for the whole series he's always in his shikai release
The hell arc design also confirmed that the Oken clothing isn’t something that’s inherent to his shinigami form anymore. Squad 0 probably took it back after the war or it fully burned up during the fight with Yhwach.
I’m so glad people don’t think vasto lorde is stronger than final getsugatensho anymore. That debate pissed me off so much as a kid
The difference isn't as big as it seems, the main difference is that final Getsuga converges into a singular one-use attack, afterwards is useless, while full hollow had half the strength of Dangai with only around 15% of the shikakusho.
To me the scale in power would be like:
Mugetsu > Full hollow > Dangai
Whereas in usage I would go
Full hollow > Dangai > Mugetsu.
If mugetsu wasn't a single use attack it would be the second best transformation, but as of now I would say it's like
HoS > True Shikai > Full hollow > Dangai > Mugetsu.
This last list isn't about the power, but about how useful they are. Obviously Mugetsu is probably the weakest link in usage because it take away the power of Ichigo, like I said, Mugetsu would be top 2 without the drawback.
@@notthedeadweight scale it however you want, vasto lorde ichigo wouldn’t have man handled Aizen the way Mugetsu did. That’s all there needs to be to it. Aizen would have 0 diffed vasto lorde but got 0 diffed by mugetsu.
@@TheThelazygamerz123 Like I said, with a 15% of the shikakusho, full hollow could do half of what Dangai did. Maybe with full reiatsu full hollow could handle Aizen, but not defeat him given he was immortal, mugetsu was needed to strip him from his divinity momentarily with its unfathomable power, so Urahara could trap him. I'm not saying by any means that it is more powerful, full hollow wouldn't defeat Aizen because even if it's more powerful than Dangai, it wouldn't have the same effect and power as mugetsu does, so Aizen would eventually win.
Then again, I see full hollow as better than mugetsu because it's a power that can be reused, not because it's more powerful, it is not, but it at least can be used the times you want, while with mugetsu it's one attack and bye bye powers.
@@notthedeadweight would mugetsu one shot vasto lorde? Yes. That’s as far as the discussion on which is stronger needs to go. There’s no need to try to power scale it. If we go by the logic that vasto lorde could only do half of what Dangai could do, it definitely couldn’t handle aizen in the slightest
@@notthedeadweightVasto Lorde showed a dimensional attack in hell that destroyed the Hell Gate. And he had less than half of the reiatsu, as in the battle with Ulkiorra, as can be seen from the amount of his clothes, which he later told Unohana on the way to the fake city of Karakura. Vasto Lorde = or > Dangai forms, but weaker than the Final Getsuga Tenshou form, since she uses all the shinigami's sidi for a short time. Bad English
Horn of salvation is considered a separate form
He could have had that form earlier if he didn't die like zangetsu said
yhwach vs dangai:
haha i can see and alter your future!
wait.. i can't see them..or sense your power!?
in your dream...
@@zabougaming4882 That's what literally would have happened if ichigo were to fuse with his Zanpakuto again after gaining his real blades
@@w1n1x clearly not, Yuha is much higher than ichigo even in True bankai HOS, and that even without the reo
@@zabougaming4882 Even without the what? 🤣 kid, Base Yhwach was being ragdolled by True Shikai Icgigo 😂😂. He only got the upper hand once he activated his almighty. TS scales far above Base Yhwach. SK Yhwach is an another level of beast.
@@w1n1xYuha + SK > Aizen + Ichigo > All mighty Yuha > Ichigo True bankai + HOS
1st should be horn of salvation + true bankai
2nd should be true bankai
3rd could be mugetsu or true shikai
what would be the point of adding HOS and true bankai differently, it would just take be a waste of a space.
@@AnimeManTalks not wrong but am not saying you’re wrong tho just in more details it should be this
@@LamineDiallo-l1g true, I could have specified better.
@@AnimeManTalks no it’s fine am just exaggerating , since most people think true bankai is the same as HOS
@@AnimeManTalks he uses horn of salvation in shikai. We get most of the feats for horn of salvation in shikai.
Comparing horn of salvation as his true bankai makes no sense. Especially when we do in fact know his bankai ability is something Yhwach called fearful and destroyed before it could be used.
I kinda wished they could've made a Quincy form or something like it, it would've been cool but you know
Bro watched detergent
I seen this comment kept going and went as watched another video and has to come back once it hit me. Your fucking funny asf
@@Kyoshi272 thanks
I agree with u but dangai is second spot not third
Exactly👍
@@draganmarkovic1384 finally someone who agree with me ty bro
@@حنانحسنالحلو-ب8س 🤞🙏
@@draganmarkovic1384 👍
Ywach states in tybw that true shikai was equal to the form that he used againts aizen
I like to believe dangai is the strongest, was literally in awe of his majestic form, the first time I saw it as a kid.
Mugetsu is most likely the strongest form he can ever achieve. Even after TYBW, he can still use Mugetsu and it won't be stronger than before.
@@yb9506 Yhwach says he's as strong as he was when he defeated Aizen in his shikai.
@@kurosaki987 he doesn't say he is as strong.
@@yb9506base shikai>=mugetsu
@@anmol4918 no.
I'm not gonna lie, i do like Ichigo's new sword design, but honestly i eould have liked his bankai to be a double-blade as a symbolic thing that Ichigo is a human, shinigami, quincy, and a fullbringer all in one sort of theme.
The 2nd should be dangai.
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I agree with you
I'm confused... In my understanding Dangai and Final Getsuga Tenshou is the same form. I mean Final Getsuga is the strongest attack of Dangai form isn't that it? Or Dangai and Final getsuga is different form?
@@rasyidsaid see dangai form is an attack that fuse hollow-shinigami-quincy powers of ichigo in one final attack
Dangai is@@حنانحسنالحلو-ب8س the local where Ichigo trained to use Final Getsuga Tenshō.
Even if they don't fully redraw the entire series, it would probably make sense to do an abridged remake to set the stage for TYBW. Important plots and characters only, a lot of timejumps and simplified retcons...
Man stop taking pictures of me😭😭
Bankai which can cut someone's destiny. 😅❤
it would be
1. Horn Of Salavtion
2. True Bankai
3. Either FGT or True Shikai.
if were doing straight theory's, then its FGT and it isnt close as it's the manifestation of all of Ichigo's powers, however when he used it against Aizen he was basically only using his Quicy powers while everything else was limited.
on Manga facts its either or HoS or True Bankai, as both have the same bogo feats in the Manga. though True Bankai and not HoS is what killed Yhwach. so feat wise True Bankai is #1
as for Vasto Lorde, while strong, it's already known that it wouldve been slept by any of the top 3 espada let alone the bs the quincy do.
Yep that’s exactly what I thought I swear finally someone who knows about horn of salvation not being true bankai
that would be a waste of a space though, putting HOS and true bankai differently. And i wanted to fit other ones
@@AnimeManTalks you aint wrong, but we also don't know if HoS is directly related to his Bankai or just a Hollow mask substitute. hopefully it gets explained better in the anime.
so i'd just go
1. HoS/True Bankai Ichigo
2. True Shikai
3. FGT
4. FB Bankai / Vasto Lorde - either or, could think of arguments for both. more leaning towards FB Bankai though.
5/6. FB Shikai
@@TheMrLBCWarriorAt the very least, Hos is most definitely not tied to his bankai, he's literally just manifesting his hollow side physically (also probably made use of his Quincy blood too when he did his attack).
The potential for his true bankai is most likely waaaaaay stronger than horn of salvation. In the first place, it's not like Ichigo needs to be in bankai to access any hollow abilities, and at most any of ichigo's hollow form/hollow power integrated forms just gives him a boost to his base.
Bankai, is quite literally just reaching a new level of power for the soul as a whole, so I think it's a pretty fair assessment that true bankai Ichigo would be a tier higher in power the Hos.
Vasto Lorde doesn’t get walled by the top 3 espada. Vasto Lorde + 25% Shihakusho scales above 2nd release Ulquiorra, who is relative or stronger than Resurreccion Barragon and Yammy, but weaker than Starrk Resurreccion and Vasto Lorde Starrk. This means Vasto Lorde + 100% Shihakusho scales above Resurreccion Starrk, but weaker than Vasto Lorde Starrk who Aizen wanted no business with when he wasn’t fused with the Hogyoku.
You’re not wrong about Mugetsu, besides the placement. Mugetsu like you said is the manifestation of all of Ichigo’s power meaning depending on Ichigo’s full power and potential, it’ll always be the strongest. It’s due to the fact that it sacrifices all his power for an all out attack.
Imo it’s:
0. Mugetsu/FGT
1. True Bankai
2. Dangai/True Shikai(Most translated media equalizes these forms as him gaining his full potential)
3. Vasto Lorde + 25%-100% Shihakusho
I really wanted mugetsu to be his true bankai and one of the reasons he lost his powers is because he wasn’t fully ready for it and forcing his energies to clash together is the other
Make a video on full potential hitsugaya vs true bankai ichigo
TB Ichigo slams, a video is not needed.
@@Mozartmeh it can't be that straight forward I am sure ichigo will win but I think toshiro can put up a fight
@@kimsonTHEREAL Hmmm. Well, I don't believe Toshiro has the stats to compete. Could Toshiro even keep up with Yhwach? Probably not.
@@Mozartmeh exactly that's why I want a vid on (full potential) toshiro vs TB ichigo
@@kimsonTHEREAL Yes, yes. But I am saying it's rather obvious who would win, no?
Final Getsuga Tenshou is basically ichigo's sanrei glove
I was really pissed when reading the manga and his real Bankai was just destroyed immediately... All the build up for nothing 😡
Well typically as animes go on, the forms develop and increase in capability and strength as does the threat of the next main villain. If Ichigo or any MC got considerably weaker as the show went on then what would be the point.
And while yes the max power output of many MC's does get cut to ramp up the suspense, inevitably they always push past their "limits" after chugging a bag of beans or taking a dip in boiling strawberry cream yogurt.
For now, but i guess 2nd is Dangai
His true bankai was barely seen in the manga, it was like 4 episodes for it to come out and then got destroyed in 1 page😂
Slight correction. The last one is not true bankai. It's just his horn of salvation form, which is a perfected version of his hollow mask form. He tried to use his Bankai, but before he released it, Ywhach destroyed his blade to prevent it. In TYBW, they specifically say that if Bankai is broken, Zanpakuto can not be fixed, but if Shikai is broken, it can recover itself. By that logic, Ywhach destroyed Ichigo's blade before the bankai. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been repaired.
Stupid, tsukishima changed the past and make his Bankai intact like It was never touched, go watch/read Bleach properly
I need to see ichigo perform a mugetsu again
0) Final Getsuga (theoretically if used at End of Series)
1) Bankai (Unsheathed) + Horn of Salvation
1.5) Bankai (Sheathed) + Horn of Salvation
2) Bankai (Unsheathed)
2.5) Bankai (Sheathed)
3) Shikai + Horn of Salvation
4) Shikai
((Final Getsuga OR Dangai/pre final Getsuga formnat FKT arc ir argued to be comparable to True shikai Ichigo at TYBW)
Final Getsuga wasn’t used at the EOS, just say you don’t watch bleach bro
@@BeaterSimmy can't you read?
I literally placed: THEORETICALLY IF USED AT THE END OF THE SERIES.
That's also why I placed it in 0.
Because Ichigo THEORETICALLY should be able to use it if he decides to.
@@filipe_paixao i honestly just put mugetsu/fgt at 0. at all times, because it’s not theoretical. Ichigo can always use mugetsu, he just won’t because the drawback is too great.
@@BeaterSimmy i forgot how slow in the head people can be that they can read a comment, and still make a stupid comment like this. too many stupid people in this world now a days.
@@ache5168 Yeah, however, I have to place "theoretical" or people like this first guy that commented above you, will not understand.
(Somehow, bro still couldn't read it right 💀)
Id love to cosplay his full hallow form for a Comic-Con
True shikai aint stronger than mugetsu
Yhwach said that with TS Ichigo reached his power level when he was fighting Aizen. So they are around equal.
its because people are too stupid to understand that FGT is a technique. The strongest version of Ichigo would be when he use FGT. it's Final Getsugatensho btw mugetsu is simply the name of the attack.
@@Amoeby that make sense because to scale FGT u need to scale Dangai Ichigo not the attack. Dangai and TS are essentially almost the same. both form are no longer being suppressed by OMZ.
He should raise in spirit form to combine and rewrite all skills to become a LORD
Dangai was definitely stronger. He flattened a mountain in a single swing
True Shikai Ichigo one shot a Sternritter in one attack while not even being serious. Are you saying a Sternritter is weaker than a mountain?
@Mozartmeh sternritters arnt even that strong, there only strong because of grand haxs which kubo wrote into the story to get around reatsu negation and they had to steal the soul reapers bankai to even stand a chance which is why they got bodied so hard after they got it back. The only stern Ritter to not get blitzed immediately was the ones that were technically immortal which only died because the quincy king took back some of his power
@@ragnarok160 Every Sternritter is captain level or above. A fast man with a gun was giving Shunsui trouble. Ichigo one shot Candice, who is most certainly stronger than him. You clearly did not watch or read Bleach.
@@Mozartmeh the X literally died to nimaiya and was resurrected by the king and was attacked (his rifle cut multiple times but shunsui) and only gave shunsui trouble because he has a power that negated all his attacks to the point shunsui has to use bankai to literally try and one shot him which he healed from, became an even more powerful being and then had his own attacked reflected to finally kill him
@@ragnarok160 X Axis? His name is Lillie Barro. He was not at full power when Oetsu kill'd him. Also, when did I ever bring up Lillie? Shunsui in Shikai clearly isn't enough for a Sternritter. They're all captain level if a Shikai captain can hardly keep up with them. Quite simple.
"Stand his ground against Yuha"
😂😂😂😂
Mugetsu is molly whooping true shikai
No it’s equal to it. Ywhach even said so
@@dwainemassey7863 I think he meant dangai ichigo. True shikai is not taking on Mugetsu equally. If he uses bankai or the Horn then yah I get it but mugetsu was far ahead of yamamoto level and shikai ichigo would still have a fight if he goes against yamamoto.
@@deionprince2832 i mean he litterally said the power that he used to defeat aizen and mugetsu was the one which actually defeated aizen
Mugetsu is basically Ichigo's version of Quincy's letzt stil. He loses his powers for a while just like Ishida, but he had to be reawakened with the aggregate reishi sword.
The pronunciation of the names with wild.
"Its stronger when its in 2 pieces, but its even stronger when you put those 2 pieces back together" 😂😂😂😂
HOS is not Ichigo's Bankai and HOS was an incomplete form . His true bankai is just his original shikai blade(zangetsu and white) combined with outer white blade covering(white, full briger) and his bankai's power still unknown.
I feel like Kubo kinda got lost in the plot with Dangai Ichigo. He was supposed to be far above evolved Aizen, and in the same fight we're introduced to a brand new concept (transcended spirit energy) and its never fully fleshed out. Ichigo put almost 0% effort for the majority of the fight. Then he goes 100% with the mugetsu which damages Aizen in a way that doesnt really reflect someone whos supposed to be greatly above him. It shouldve obliterated him. Afterwards Dangai Ichigo is never to be seen again.
Side Note: Its crazy how people still cant differentiate Dangai Ichigo from the Final Getsuga Tensho.
Am I the only one who found Ichigo's final bankai extremely disappointing? The running theme with Ichigo was always that he was cloaked in his power. But now the final form of his most powerful bankai is... his original shikai with a sheath?
I've seen a lot of discourse in the comments, so I'm going to put everything here that I can.
True shikai is stronger than dangai, and true bankai is stronger than mugetsu. However if mugetsu were to be used again it would be stronger.
Both feats and statements confirm this.
Additionally, I will be using yhe manga as the primary sourse up until TYBW. However, I do believe that the current anime is the most Canon source for TYBW so I will be using that when possible.
First in the latest episode, 31, We see Aizen use hado 90, it is stronger than when butterflyzen used it on ichigo and it us even stronger than when monster Aizen attacked dangai ichigo. The other feat of him trying to shoot down the soul kings palace is also a better feat than what monster Aizen did.
Kisuke also confirms this to us directly telling us based off the damage that current Aizen is stronger than when he fought ichigo.
We have no reason to believe this isnt accurate especially from the smartest character in the series.
Urahara was not only smart enough to be instrumental in Aizens defeat, but Also Yhwach as he is the one who summoned the hollows and fullbringers to this war. He is also the one that sent tsukishima to ichigo and tsukishima was instrumental in allowing Zangetsu to be fixed. Almost as though Kisuke onew tsukishima didnt hust affect memories but also affected the timeline itself.
So I do not believe him claiming Aizen is currentlyvstronger lightly, nor should anyone.
butterflyzen couldnt sense dangai, but monster aizen directly damaged Dangai and destroyed half of his shihakushou, which as he tells unohana is a direct representation of how much reiatsu he has left.
We know that when you are sensing reiatsu that You can only sense the amount that someone is allowing to pour from their body, and it is affected by damage. Unohana believed ichigo had avout as much reiatsu as a captain before he revealed he was running on less than half.
Monster Aizen upon ichigo going FGT mentions that he cant sense ichigo's reiatsu anymore and seems shookebcby this. Which clearly shows Monster Aizen could sense Dangai's reiatsu.
So TYBW Aizen is stronger than monster Aizen.
When Aizen fought Yhwach he did not damage yhwach at all, however, was able to put him under KS. Yhwach was able to break out momentarily like when Renji turned into Aizen. This plus not being damaged by aizen shows that Yhwach has more reiatsu as damage and hax can be suppressed with reiatsu as we learn from Kenpachi and Aizen himself.
TS ichigo damaged and forced Yhwach to use blut in chapter 676 and 677. We see the Gran Ray Getsuga behind yhwach's head in his shoulder which would mean this attack went through his skin. The next chapter 677 shows him using Blut with this attack. This is the first time Yhwach used Blut after absorbing the soul king.
An Aizen stronger than Monster Aizen couldnt damage yhwach where true shikai did. And Monster Aizen was capable of damaging Dangai.
FGT didnt kill this weaker Aizen, it didnt even knock him out. We see Yhwach take Aizen fully out of the fight. True Bankai ichigo one shot this yhwach twice, once while Yhwach was at full power.
So true shikai is stronger than dangai and true bankai is stronger than FGT.
But lets look at some arguments against this idea.
First, Askin affected ichigo, if TS ichigo. How?
Nanana was able to affect Aizen, specifically due to Nanana's ability being able to find weak points in reiatsu. Much like askin can affect dosage level.
Should askin be observing some one nearby for enough time he can passively take in their reiatsu, which we see him watching ichigo before their fight. On top of this ichigo is a striaght forward fighter and not the smartest of fighters. Quite literally askins best possible match up, much like how kenpachi is a bad match up against pernida.
Remember TS damaged Yhwach so claiming this moment brings ichigo down anso brings up SK yhwach but it cant because of TYBW aizen is stronger than he was in the past.
Which also goes to act as my evidence, Nanana in that specific circumstance with his specific ability was able to affect Aizen. Showing that on the right corcumstance these character can be affected by weaker ones. Ichigo and Aizen were both largely taken off guard, in fact this is one of the only moments Aizen ever seems surprised.
Peopel also claim that Yhwach claiming ichigo "regained his powers he used to defeat aizen" is talking about his shinigami powers. This makes little sense because Yhwach fought fullbring bankai ichigo which is a combination of his hollow and shinigami powers. Which remind you we learn White the inner hollow is just ichigos shinigami powers. So it makes very little sense for this to be meaning him regaining his shinigami powers.
Additionally the anime changed the line to "Achieving your true power." Which even further moves us away from the idea that this is just talking about gaining shinigami powers.
The Blade Is Me is ichigo coming to terms with the fact that both inner spirits are part of him and it even shows the moment where Ichigo let himself be stabbed in the dangai, while explaining this is unneccessary and ichigo doesnt need to do this ever again. Zangetsu is him, any ability zangetsu has is his own ability.
The fused sword state is stated by Aizen to be the next level for shinigami. Yet stronger chair Aizen doesnt have his sword and when his chair breaks he suddenly has it again. However when he uses it in the final fight it is no longer attached to his arm.
Kubo has confirmed ichigo can choose to have 1 or 2 swords whenever he uses zangetsu because once you learn you and your sword are one and the same you get better control, much like how we learn captains can control the size of their sword.
This fused sword state is the same state ichigo is in after he achieves his true Shikai.
I welcome anyone who reads this to peovide more evidence to prove me wrong. If anyone has any questions I am more than happy to answer them.
TLDR, True shikai is stronger than dangai and True bankai is stronger than Mugetsu in the state we saw mugetsu.
I don't give a shit about powerscaling, Dangai Ichigo was too cold
Guys do you agree that Ichigo Final Getsuga was his Quincy power cuz Old man Zangetsu give that power to Ichigo but that Old man Zangetsu was Yhwach and we all now about Quincy ability when they use there powers there eyes turn into red and ichigo's eyes turn into red when he activated his Final Getsuga
Final getsugatensho is always his strongest form, if eos used mugetsu then it would be far stronger than the mugetsu he used on aizen
Technically the final tetsu form is the strongest. If he used it now at his current level, it would be broken
Personally I like the alternate forms in the Brave Souls game
Arrancar (like) Uryu?!
Man everyone even the men want GS now that he revealed his face
Now imagine mugetsu in true bankai ichigo
On a technical note, wouldn't mugetsu ichigo if done at the end of TYBW be the strongest iteration of ichigo as mugetsu is a technique.
I wish bleach didn't have so many plot holes just so Ichigo gets exalted
Imagine if ichigo used mugetsu now because earlier he sacrificed only a bit of his true power
Mugetsu is a Shinigami technique, and it would only sacrifice his Shinigami side. To sacrifice all of his powers, a technique would need to combine the technique Ishida used against Mayuri with Mugetsu (and a technique that sacrifices his Hollow powers).
@@zabougaming4882 ichigo's mugetsu literally sacrificed all his bloodline powers that were available by the time he used it on aizen. The black hair and red eyes symbolized his Quincy powers representing yhwach and the bandage like thing on his lower face and his body symbolized his hollow powers
@@tuhinxtaken he only sacrificed his shinigami power otherwise he would not have had the ability to become fullbringer, and literally regained all of these powers just with reatsu shinigami...
My personal list:
1. Final getsuga tenshou
2. Dangai
3. True bankai
4. true shikai
5. Vasto lorde
İ think final getsuga tenshou is straight equal to yhwach or maybe soul king level considering that he was SİGNİFİCANTLY stronger than aizen in his butterfly form. Btw butterfly motif is a direct refferance to soul king. Aizen was evolving to the soul king by using hogyoku there, that was his whole plan. İts clear that aizen was becoming more alike like soul king. He became a 6 winged butterfly which is the direct description of soul kings true form in many scenes. Aizen transformed 4 times there since he battled yamamoto. So we can say aizen in that state was significantly stronger than yamamoto, which is considered as a great threat for yhwach. İchigo was so powerfull that aizen could even sense his reiatsu. Could you imagine?
@@gama3040 thinking true bankai is weaker than dangai is actually wild.
Kisuke confirmed Aizen got stronger in the chair. This stronger Aizen didn't damage Yhwach once but true shikai Ichigo damaged Yhwach in 676.
True bankai fully killed Yhwach and forced him to revive twice in one hit.
Aizen didn't even enter a death state when hit by Mugetsu.
And based on Yhwach getting one shot twice by true bankai, true bankai is clearly above SK Yhwach.
The soul king I don't believe has ever been described to have wings. Not once.
Aizen couldn't sense ichigo's reiatsu in butterflyzen form. Once he transformed into his monster state he even did damage to Ichigo. A single attack damaged half of ichigo's shihakusho and damaged his arm. As we know from his talk with unohana his shihakusho in bankai directly shows how much reiatsu he has left.
TYBW Aizen is confirmed stronger than monster Aizen.
Based off what Aizen and Kenpachi say about negating abilities and damage with reiatsu we can very clearly scale these characters.
True shikai and true bankai are stronger than dangai and Mugetsu.
First ichigo's false zanpakuto does mean he can't achieve his full power in dangai form. This is part of the whole reason he had to recreate his zanpakuto. During this time he learns "the sword is me" which is an internalization of him and Zangetsu being one. Very reminiscent of the fused state between the two of them.
True shikai Ichigo also received special training from ichibei no one else did. A path that has him hold the pressure of all 3 worlds. He also was directly infused with soul king reiatsu which permanently changed his reiatsu to be golden in color.
1.true bankai hos
2.true bankai
3.true shikai hos
4.mugetsu
5.true shikai
6.fulbring bankai/dangai
7.fulbring shikai
8.vasto lorde + hollow like bankai
9.hollowfication + hollow like bankai
10.hollow like bankai + true hollow mask
11.hollow like bankai + hollow mask
12.hollow like bankai
13.bankai + semi hollowfication
14.3rd fullbring
15.bankai + hollow mask
16.bankai + half hollow mask
17.bankai
18.2nd fullbring
19.shikai + hollow mask
20.shikai(zangetsu boost)
21.shikai(killing intent)
22.shikai(kido)
23.shikai
24.shinigami(hollow power)
25.shinigami(kido)
26.shinigami
27.1st fullbring
28.Human
Yu-Ha-Baha is the correct pronunciation for Yhwach
Dangai ichigo has the most insane reatsu in the verse so any ability or hax would not do a shit to him
Ichigo would have been leagues stronger if he didn't lose his fullbring, it is widely accepted that ichigo's fullbring reached its final state but that's not true, his fullbring kept evolving the more it merged with his shinigami powers, his fullbring kept evolving and would have continued to do so as Ichigo became stronger and learned about his zanpakuto
i agree with your list, i wish you said 4 forms and add vasto lorde as the 4th strongest form
i am going to expand more and add vasto lorde and fullbring bankai later on maybe tommorow
@@AnimeManTalks glad to know
FB is stronger than Vasto Lorde. HOS is as well.
@@Mozartmeh HOS ? i do not get it.
@@kowsikvadrevu horn of salvation
bro really thought he was goku or some with that overgrown long hair
That form is older than Ultra instinct Goku btw
@@killuazoldyk2727 look at my pfp do you think idk? im nor retarded bro
@@killuazoldyk2727 ???? im talking abt ssj3 my guy, correction from my other comment
Dangai and horns of salvation is gud..but on my point the vasto lorde form feels underrated to me..
Exactly why ywach asspull never made sense.
Seriously, if he could break it in the future, what's stopping him from breaking it in the present?
@roneherushin4638 i love tybw but almighty power hack was hard to follow for me.😂
vasto lord has been confirmed to be the full extent of his shinigami power, argue with ya moms
Mugetsu theoretically would be the strongest form as it grows in power wit ichigi
what kind music in the background i like that ?
I dont know if him being in his full form shikai is stronger than final getsuga tenshou. Its so powerful that using it literally uses up all his spiritual energy permanently
I don't care what others say but Vasto lorde will always be n°1 for me.
Who is the main character in bleach? Cause it could never be Ichigo. No matter how he trains to come back with a stronger power to fight the villain, he still gets a proper beat down
Why no spoiler warning >:c
technically his strongest form is his adult form since takes 10 years to master bankai
So basically his true and final Bankai is actually just his first Shikai
Imagine ichigo using final getsuga tenshou with his true shikai
Here’s my top 3:
1. True Bankai Ichigo
2. Partial Hollow Form Ichigo
3. True Shikai Ichigo
To think that The Final Getsuga Tensho black hair form is the Weakest 😂. Jesus Itchigo hit them weights like a Mad Man 😂.
Wow. Vasto Lorde form isn’t even mentioned?! And here I thought that form was strong 😵💫
It’s heavily debated that dangai/mugetsu ichigo is stronger than final form ichigo
I’d say final getsugatwnsho is his strongest, cause it is a single attack that uses all his existing power, so remember, when he fought aizen he was only using a small portion of his true power.
Final getsuga tenhou was different
Could he do mugetsu again since he has his true power and now do a true final getsuga
I dont see why people think dangai/mugetsu isnt ichigo' s peak of power, aizen literally couldn't sense his reiatsu, that aizen which was stronger than all shinigamis. I know that true shikai or whatever ichigo came later, and yeah it fuses all his power, but can u understand that everyone could feel his reiatsu? Even rukia and denji, and thats talking about dangai, mugetsu one shot aizen, ONE SHOT. And no mugetsu is clearly a stronger stage than horn of salvation and true bankai, thats why he lost his powers, not only because of aizen evolutions, but to balance for the next arcs
The one horn form is his bankai? IDK if this is a spoiler, but.... I thought that was his true shikai from combining the two swords and Yhwach broke his sword so he couldn't go bankai. IDK that's what I've heard and read from... "Sources", not manga related.
The single horn looks silly imo lol I’d rather see him with the hollow mask
it doesn't matter anymore
Ichigo final bankai literally just his forst shikai
They need to change his bankai because its so wack. Kubo couldn't find a way to incorporate it without it looking so off. Ichigo looks like some un finished chimera. It just doesn't look good
Ichigo effectively became a digimon
Mugestu is a form ichigo will always have access to it is his strongest form if he used it with true Bankai it would obviously be stronger than when he used it against aizen.
What would happen if he used final getsuga tenshou during the TYBW?
Some misunderstandings on your part and a lot of people in comment section.
Bankai > shikai
Horn of Salvation + shikai > Shikai
Horn of Salvation + bankai > bankai
he just wanted to fit three forms, that’s why he didn’t separate Bankai and Shikai’s HoS forms. so no, there was no misunderstanding.
@ache5168 he placed horn of Salvation and bankai separately and together as if it was the same thing though
@@filipe_paixao he did not state it in the video, he just showed clips of them together. or did you miss that part, he’s also said it himself. he did not want to separate the two forms, since it’s a 1min short.
Not bringing dangai is actually criminal
Final getsuga tenshou is my favorite 🔥
Should have kept his hallow mask with his new attire, and I mean the vasto lorde mask with both arms but with his hallow eyes and voice! But noooooo we got this hybrid bs bankai
Imagine Ichibei stealing Mugestsus black 😮Mugetsu would be Cooked..... Imagine of he fought Shunsui and he activated the color demon game in Shikai and chose the color black, manz would've dealt 90% damage with a single hit😮😮😮
Am still confused like how does going into the future to destroy the blade even helps? Like shouldn't it be going into the past and destroy?
I am almost certain we do t actually know how strong dangai / final getsuga Ichigo was vs true bankai
Cuz final getsuga basically merged himself with ALL of his power
EASILY overpowering aizen
There is a real chance final getsuga / dangai Ichigo was stronger then true bankai Ichigo
And for the simple reason that it was a concentrated form with all of his powers active at once to the point nobody could sense him
And ppl could sense Ichigo before he went horn of salvation
They couldn't sense dangai ichigo
The next one plot armor gives him 😅
Still crazy to think that ichigo learned his true bankai in like what 2 years when most other captains hundreds only person less that we know of is toshiro not including unhara as hes using that cheat method
It really only takes ≈100 years to unlock and master bankai. If you look at some of the more intricate zanpakto it really makes sense.
@22mrcaj still 1 years compared to 100 is still insane and it's been said he has potential equal to Yamamoto
@@michaeldavis8918 Not to downplay ichigo but zangetsu is pretty simple
@22mrcaj that is fair im not 100% sure tho if that's how it works if the complexity of the bankai makes it harder to learn as far as I remember it's more just subjecting the bankai, I'm also not talking about zangetstu I'm talking about white as zangetsu was his false bankai
@@michaeldavis8918 When I say simple I mean that zangetsu’ techniques don’t really change between shikai and bankai, it’s still only getsugas, where as other shikai and bankai have drastically different abilities. Zangetsu both fake and true only fire off reiatsu slashes.
Potential bankai>Mugetsu>=HOS+shikai>base ichigo
"So you see me as ichigo kurosaki"