Because most people dont have the galaxy brain it takes to make the right decisions on Singed and move like a boss instead of like a feeder on Singed. Also makro knowledge
yeah, the complexity is not in the champion itself, but in the way you have to use his strengths and in knowing exactly what to do against your matchup or team comp. I am a Singed main, I've played it in basically every role except ADC and I can say without a shado of a doubt that he can be played in every role (and maybe carry too) except ADC if you know what you are doing without any problem. Of course, it's way weaker in jungle, but it's a good counter to nunu if built right or to champs like viego/yi, in the midlane he can get cc'd easily but if you play it right you can win the majority of the matchups (with few exceptions like lux), same goes with support, matchups are more favorable and you are a perfect CD magnet (+perma-diving with certain champs like kindred). It really comes down to your game knowledge and way less on your mechanical skills.
I legit noticed this on Aram. I always avoid him but got stuck one day...and it was great. I picked a straggler, tossed them to my team, and they got eaten alive. Plus, YOU DON'T CHASE SINGED
As a singed main, yes, it really is. He punishes bad engage and poor positioning with extreme prejudice, while teaching you good positioning and learning to fight with unconventional tactics. I think this video gets a hair wrong about him, and a lot of mains will say there are many different ways to play him and fight/trade tactics many don't realize
Playing against or with a Singed always makes for an interesting game. His KDA means nothing in terms of judging whether he's playing well or not. It can be genuinely hard to tell if a Singed is trolling or if they're an actual fucking mastermind wasting minutes of the enemy's time. Yeah, they got a kill and 300 gold out of it, for what cost? Singed chops my IQ in half simply from being in the same game, and I love him, even though I'm an ADC player.
I love to play singed with smite and I have over 950k master points on him and still ppl in both teams think I'm trolling, when they see smite on toplane. Feeding is always bad even on singed, bit the tilt I can cause if I survive with 1hp and the enemy dies in poison due to a second of greed can win a game. Sometimes that 1hp is missing 😅.
@@TBFSJjunior Actually with nimbus cloak smite sounds like a really good idea. A mini ghost thats can also be heal if you're caught in the jungle thats up every, what, 60 seconds? Plus that sweet sweet cannon secure. Sounds legit as fuck.
@@TBFSJjunior What do you do with your smite? I'm always interested in trying out new ways to play Singed. Also what runes do you take for that playstyle?
@@ZekeGenter Last hit canon or speed up pushing. Secure dragon/baron with a second smite. Little heal while running away in jgl. Proxy behind tower and steal a jgl camp between waves (smite allows to clear jgl a little faster and heal up a little, so u catch next wave in time.) It's a great way to catch up when behind my clearing a jgl camp on the way. At start I sometimes steal the enemy buff top with my jgl. I tank and heal with smite. Then we try first blood top with both of us full life and jgl lvl2. For runes spellbook can be good as u can switch smite and still use other spells, but get smite back right away, butvit works with other runes aswell.
"There is no satisfaction in getting a kill as Singed, unless you are one of those sick bastards who enjoy the suffering of others" Yep, that check's out a bit too hard
This comment is just nonsense. You can replace "Singed" with any other champion arbitrarily. Or lets say: Getting killed by Singed never tilted me. Along with almost all ADCs or casters...but by Darius, Camille, Yone, Samira, Sett and other imbalanced champs.
@@Avus86 Singed is sorta like Shaco he is extremely slippery becouse of his poison and can kill you even if he is on 1 hp, that's where the frustration from being killed by a Singed comes from
@@luj6455 Shaco is a superspecial case due to the invisibility of the boxes and the cloning, to what u literally can't react/where luck is a factor (same for Teemo with the Shrooms btw. - and I say that even though I really like playing Teemo and the champ overall. He's an annoying tilter.)...@Singed: Lots of ppl play overpowered champs, like the ones I named already. Then getting killed by an inferior champ does tilt the weak-minded. And they deserve it, immature lot -> I've been watching Minishcap1 for months now, and you see exactly that all the time. They expect to dominate (with little skill required), and they usually get it. THEN they are withdrawn of it by that lame loser hero nobody plays. That's the reason why they tilt.
@@Avus86 yeah that's pretty much what I was talking about. Babyman Darius crying cuz he doesn't understand that Singed has his Q. It's really entertaining.
Most of Singed's skill cap is actually macro play, rather than champion play. The champ himself has very low skill cap, but knowing how and when to use him in a game is where the skill ceiling flies up
@@Aexils Singed has literally two combos: W -> E E -> AA while the target is flying (surprisingly useful if you're conq Singed or you're running DMP) Aand that's it. The difficulty on this guy is exclusively positioning and macro and he's hella difficult at it. Thinking that "high skill cap" means "how fast can I button mash" Riven or Irelia-style it's just wrong, that ain't skill or intelligence, it's muscle memory at best. Honestly speaking the only tweaks I could see for him are his passive and his R: cutting some of that unjustifiably high uptime for the R (or cutting the current R as a whole) in exchange for an active effect (dashing or spreading poison in a different pattern, like releasing a poison cloud ring centered on him)could really make him much more proactive, also far as I know no champion has "special gimmicks" revolving around potion consumables, wouldn't it be a really interesting idea to have him interact in a peculiar way with some of the potions available?
@@tehrik0020 it used to be ingrained when Dark Seal had the potion bonus. You would always get Dark Seal and the refilling potion. You would proxy farm a few waves then die to tower to get a corruption potion. One of the few champions i know that can call corrupting potion a power spike.
@@VarsVerum oh hey, also what you said about the pleasure on the frustration of others, I totally agree, I mean it is part of lore that Singed is really sick mentally
Longtime Singed Main here. My favorite thing about Singed stems from his low mechanical complexity: playing Singed makes you better at league. The amount of macro knowledge needed to play Singed effectively (enemy champion positions when proxying, common ward placements, best flanking paths, how to deal with unbeatable matchups, TP timings, strange summoner spell combinations) forces you to expand and hone your knowledge about everything in league of legends, and that's what makes him fun, to me at least. Well, that and sprinting at the enemy at 1k MS, flinging their carry into a mega adhesive to root them, and getting that sweet sweet "summoner disconnected" message afterwards. That makes it all worth it.
Weird and diverse rune choice is also another reason why I love Singed. I tried Aery with Conditioning and Gathering Storm and by late game, I was an unkillable tank with 440 AP.
Singed is so free i stg. Start of game go mid. Clear two waves with q Ignore poke, if theyre melee trade with auto and posion if theyre ranged commit hard to clearing. After 2 waves leave lane, never look back, predator, get a kill, congratulations you won thr game.
They also can't change him too much, I'm a Singed main and every single one of us is very attached to his playstyle, a rework would literally make every old Singed main leave him
Riot doesn't care about loyalty to a character. Iiterally all of my old mains got reworked to the point where I don't know them anymore. Fiora, Akali, and Irelia. None of their kits are remotely the same as it use to be.
“When you get a kill as singed there’s no real satisfaction” ARE YOU SERIOUS? When I get a kill on singed I know my brain was BULDGING with knowlage, I RAN AWAY and PRESSED E Extreme outplay highest skill champ
Singed's kit is designed in such an unique way, that it doesn't allow skill expression as much as it allows macro and decision making to be even more impactful. I love it
@@elmostachojuanoh what is his gameplay? Releasing poison gas and hoping enemy idiot enough to chase you? Slow in pushing, only have 1 target skill, mostly feeder. This champ need to be deleted
@@imanafdarslow in pushing? that is the one and only singed strength from level 1. he is the one and only champion which main ability can 1) have a permanent uptime with no cast time and 2) be applied to any and every target you tag. when designing such champ you NEED to make him extremely weak, just like sona is: Sona can empower up to 4 allies and herself at a given time, therefore if that theoretical situation is where she shines the most, she should be considerably weak in a 1v1 or 2v2 in comparison to champions who specialize in those. same deal with singed but with self-to-enemy interactions instead of sona's self-to-ally therefore this champion is by design weak in 1v1s, weak in early game, without mentioning the awful itemization problem. he is a champion that will force you, his pilot to see the game in a different way, interact with many game systems that you would usually not interact with, just to barely pilot it. and the payoff is also flipping middle finger to every league player who will be forced to play singed's game, instead of the usual league of legends you are used to. this concept is in no way unique to singed, every champion warps things around them to create their own ruleset of what they can and cannot do, singed does it in the most topsy turvy way possible. he gets to flip you, break an unbreakable freeze to any other champion, transition into a proxy into backing because those two things costed you literally your whole health bar. so yes i get why you hate him, and i love him for the same reasons you probably didnt read half of that, here is a cookie if you did 🍪
FUN FACT: The very head person in charge of League of Legends is a Singed main. Minishcap does a video reviewing why he (director) "failed" to make Singed better.
@@oliveralund6441 He might be a high ranking member of Riot, but he can't let his own personal bias overtake the requests of the shareholders (read: Tencent), nor the atrocious balance team's decision, nor the money that keeping champions way more popular than his main brings in. It's really not his fault that Singed is unpopular.
I'm actually happy that Singed has a very low pick rate. I like having a niche. I always tried to find a place in League, swapping from one role to another, mostly playing tanks or mages top or support, always getting destroyed by solo carry champions. Then I developed item builds like "yellow build Alistar" (Ancient Coin, Righteous Glory, Ryleis, all that stuff) before Riot "reworked" their support items, or "victory Sion" rushing ZzRoth, Steraks and Phantom Dancer, before they removed the best item ever from the game. *theatralic outcry* Now I'm stuck in a meta so bursty, that I just don't feel like dealing with those thirsty solo carries anymore. That's when Singed arrived. I love how ALMOST NO mythic item is good on him as a first item and I love even more, that he really is a walking middle finger, especially to champions that crushed me in the past. It is all about mental stability and movement with him. No ridiculous animation-canceling, no dumb pseudo-fencing or stack-grinding towards a guaranteed win. You just move and push one objective after the other, being to annoying to let live, but too slippery to kill, reworking my old Alistar-build for the current season. You need to re-learn how you move in order to survive ridiculous encounters, having thirsty tryhards breathing down your neck. When three men gank me and I die, it is worth it to me, because I take a turret and farm and even if I don't, they left two enemy players exposed to my teams remaining four. I stopped giving a fuck about proving myself in League through KDA and other meaningless bullshit. That was the beginning of my love for Singed. Now champions aren't a target anymore. Stickers, emotes and flame don't reach me anymore. I just want those yummi minions and turrets, no matter the cost. Currently I play him top and as a support against melee champs and fiddle for everything else. I'm an unrelenting split-pusher and meta-troll and I love it. Fuck the haters. Fuck the bruisers and fuck Viego especially.
I think the most fun I've ever had in league, was when bible singed was around, having a fat 25% cut on summoner spells let you spam ghost every minute or so, and not to forget when minions didnt have as much hp and do as much dmg, one cpot charge for 3 waves, now you end on the verge of death trying to lvl 1 proxy.
"When you get a kill as singed there’s no real satisfaction” As a Singed main, I would like to disagree. Every champ on the top lane has tools to pretty easily shut you down quickly, via stuns, slows or just general burst damage. You killing someone means that, despite the enemy having considerably more tools to deal with you that you have to deal with them, you killed them. You "outskilled" them because you used your limited tools to the fullest, like knowledge of the enemy champion, your movement speed, you positioning, etc. Also in some parts of the video you suggest that "Singed KDA does not matter" but trust me, if your able to get kills early as singed (yes, there are a lot of ways of doing that) you transform Singed into a HUGE anchor for your team that can easily help the ally ADC and midlaner.
I think out of all the Champions, getting a kill on Singed is the most satisfying because of what you said. You got next to nothing yet despite that, you managed to beat someone else who have many ways to take you out.
true, i also disagree with the sentiment that getting a kill on singed isnt satisfying. as a fellow singed main, when you get a double kill after enemy jungler ganks you on top its one of the most satisfying thing ever. i mean, "forcing" your opponent to "commit a mistake" is essentialy outplaying them, who the hell doesnt feel satisfaction after doing such a play? i mean, this video has some false assumptions which when ignored make perfect sense, but as a singed main i notice them immediately.
You are right, but he meant for the general playerbase it isn't as satisfying, because it isn't flashy and new singed players don't know how weak he is. So the kills aren't really satisfying.
@@ДюсековИльяс It's all based on your expectations. I never expect to get kills so whenever it happens its funny to me. Like, "lol, I can't believe they died to my poison."
The FIRST game I decided to play Singed I met literally the only other person I've ever see pick him on the enemy team, we then both met on mid because I got left there. For a moment we both just looked at each other and started dancing. We both had a moment of enjoyment before we each attempted to throw each other like ragdolls into something dangerous
There's nothing quite like the primal joy of flinging a riven out of her third q, or a camille out of her e, or a jax out of his jump, etc., and launching them into a pile of angry minions. It literally never gets old.
Oh, flinging an ulting fiddlesticks back over the wall he came from. It's been a few years since I've done it, but that's a big moment of my singed experience.
As a singed main you don't understand how many times you are forced to outplay fights because you are supposed to lose like 90% of them. It is a very unique playstyle, but the gratification comes in mastering that and watching people just kill themselves in frustration. Also laughing maniacally every time you fling them hasn't gotten old and I am at like 550k mastery points
As a main. I feel this. With the mana managing i do (turning in and off the poison to save mana) sometimes i end up like "i was that whole teamfight without my q? Fuck..."
Ok i know this is very late but i love singed from his design to his lore to his mechanic. One thing i learned from maining him is that hes not a combat type champion. If youre planning to main him make sure youre ready to lose 70% of the matchups and be on the defensive in early game. Youll be at your strongest point when ppl think their ahead and underestimate your potential when they gank you even at low health. Your job is not to deal damage or provide team support but mind your own business and distract enemies while exhausting their resources in attempt to shut you down. Youre right, hes mechanically not what a champion is built to be, and arguably the most unique one even at today's standards. HES A CHAMPION THAT KILLS BY FLEEING AND RUNNING NOT BY FIGHTING. I have mad respect for mechanically skilled players who main yasuo, camille etc. but i know deep inside that maining my man singed gives you a special power to play with someone else's ego while wrecking havoc and panic.
i don't play singed a lot but I've always enjoyed playing him, "sick and twisted minds that enjoys the enemy's frustration" makes sense because i'm a shaco main lol
Similar to me. I started playing League as Shaco for the mental anguish of others. But I wanted to be more "useful" So I moved on to top and just gravitated towards Singed. Maybe because I'm a sadistic fuck but he just clicked with me. Granted, I almost never play top anymore (moved down to the bot lane and support) but Singed is still my pocket pick top and most people have no idea how to deal with him. I love it.
I love that Singed his KDA says nothing about his performance during the game. I believe he is actually good because you shouldn't focus him during a team fight since the enemy team can do whatever they want that way, but at the same time you HAVE to focus him because he will otherwise wreck havoc in the middle of your team
i got 900k and I love singed but his early is so weak and volatile that it's hard to go even let alone get a lead into the mid game as singed. Plus his build paths are a bit lackluster for mythics. At least I think so. He's fun though. Edit, march 8th: Conqueror Singed, with riftmaker is actually really fun. Also fucking stridebreaker... the hell are riot thinking?
@@PlumpPotatoRump One of the weirder builds that I've seen minishcap running is the one with the ally heal mythic (forgot it's name). Have you tried it, any thoughts?
@@8ballwithahat Moonstone renewer? I tried it when it first came out it was pretty fun... kinda BUT I don't really care for that type of build. I usually go Predator + Chemtank OR Riftmaker + Conq. Predator/Chemtank/Cosmic Drive/Deadmans/Boots and then whatever last item you want for defense or whatever. Go Ghost Teleport. And just gank the shit out of all the lanes. FLY INTO THE ENEMY TEAM LATE GAME, that shit is fucking hilarious!!!!
Lmao calling out my dude minishcap. As he puts it "singed mains are all boomers. Even if youre a young league player, if you main singed you're a boomer"
If you play Singed and become a one trick, prepare yourself to learn multiple playstyles and have more than rune choices for one champion. Singed has a diverse options for runes and this prevents hard counters. You gotta one trick him to have the most experience though because what he said about Singed's playstyle being radically different is on point. He has around three playstyles.
11:10 "Singed doesn't belong in the current state of League of Legends." I disagree. Singed represents a creative design philosophy that is all but dead in the game. New champions are all starting to become rehashed versions of existing concepts and at times each other (e.g. Viego is just 4 - 5 existing champions mushed into one). Having them on a set release schedule limits the amount of playtesting and is probably one reason they can't push the envelope on completely new ideas. Riot encourages unique, boundary pushing gameplay but design their champs in a way where they pre-determine how they're played. There was a point in time where one of the most active Singed players ran him in the Support role with Smite and he got banned for "trolling" despite actually playing to win. When Riot said they wanted creative ideas from the community and got this as a response they immediately said "lol no not like that." So many creative ideas come from this champion's existence. This game *needs* Singed and the community of enthusiasts, OTPs, and mains that pick him.
2 months ago the guy across from me said he'd never seen a singed before. I had a 3/0 lead before 10 minutes. He constantly asks me what kind of character is this, so ridiculous, why does it poison etc. He kept saying things. this was just a very normal day for me on the turkey server. At the end of the match, I went 12/3 and he kept telling me that I was just playing a ridiculous character. He was playing mordekaiser by the way.
Contrary to your belief that he has a low skill ceiling because he is mechanically simple: The fact that he is so simple, makes the skill ceiling so much higher to compensate.
As a "Singed Main" I feel like he is a strong pick against almost any laners and can win almost any match up. It's definitely niche and you need to play him a lot to understand them. But I split my playtime between singed and gnar, two characters that are incredibly unique and have found great success in both top lane. Maybe I just accidentally joined the singed cult and didnt realize but hey, it just works
@@d4s0n282 Not if the jungler comes, they can also perma farm the wave and you'll go even in farm. So that's pretty good, but again, it's high risk if you stay too long. Plus Garen's Q, tenacity and a possible stride breaker, it's just rough to fight him. With Mundo he'll never die if he's lvl 6 nad his cleavers do a shit ton of dmg. Plus he can zone you off from proxying too. I'm also hella bias but each game is unique and a lot of the time ppl don't know the singed match-up so u can take liberties :P I have to remind myself that often too ^_^
@@PlumpPotatoRump thing about that is, they will take tons of dmg, or risk losing minions under tower, and if the jungler comes thats a really good thing to happen since its diverting pressure from other lanes to yours, and you should be able to survive if you know they are coming
@@PlumpPotatoRump just proxy with darius and pray for god firt item if he kill me is ice heart and if he not then right glory Using ghost and ignite with mundo and try to kill him at level 2 firr item if the enemi jungle love me is right glory and if he not then it rylai With garen proxy like darius but easyer , you should buy tabi shoe firt Gnar proxy + tabi and then firt item is right glory you should try to find enemy jungle and kill them if you can
getting kills like that dose sound satisfying though, winning the tactical engagement despite being weaker sounds like it would be very rewarding most use weapons and magic as a weapon, but he uses the map to kill
As a Singed main if they changed his kit I would have a very hard time playing him in the same way. Singed pisses people off so hard core and thats why i love him. I also have to disagree that you've basically said Singed takes 0 Skill and you may as well play a different champion because you could do the same thing. I have seen so many people play signed that have 0 idea and constantly feed because they think hes just a farm horse. I often go toe to toe with Irelias/Urgots/Camiles and come out winning the trade as singed, in my opinion when you are winning trades regularly vs those champions its taking skill especially without the help of a turret. but you are correct when you say you need to punish their mistakes, but thats true of any champion/player this is a league fundamental. Lets put some respect back on this Champ :D
I'm a singed main and I engage all the time getting kills quite often. I hardly ever use tower. I prefer to force an engage by charging straight in with poison trail then flip them into my poison ghost then w their escape route run in front of them to continue the damage (ignite helps lol). You can even draw them in if they think they can kill you or they panic and miss all their abilities and die to you. It's so fun you just have to throw out fear and hesitation. Go in or nothing
give the singed poison a grievous wounds effect and he got to be every useful in current meta, completely countering all the many live steal and healing effects currently in the game. I also think singed ultimate could be made more interesting. I think a "heimerdinger" approach could be fun and also increase singed skill ceiling. Make singed ult turn his other abilities into a more powerful form and you have to choose which is best to use: - Singed poison -> current singed ult effect - Super glue -> now turn into choking gas: Bigger area, stay for longer, silences everyone in it and reduce their vision (like nocturne ult), but much weaker slow effect and no fling combo - fling -> Put a sticky gas tank on the target while flinging them, which will inflict singed poison dmg to the target and everyone near them for the next XX seconds. This way singed improves on his "I'm the most annoying champ in the game" theme, while getting more useful in the meta. [edit] crazy follow up idea: How about singed getting an ability which can slow down the whole game for a short time. Literally grounding players, giving negative ability haste and a movement slow effect? And to balance it, it would affect every player in range (team mates as well as enemy champions). I'm sure everybody would hate this! :'D
If Rito added his old passive back scaled as an always on passive on Q or R, he could get some more build flexibility without bodying people early. If Rito added a little shieldless Riven Dash only available when R was in use, maybe the whole enemy team wouldn't out speed him even when he goes ghost flash. He used to be like the 3rd fastest champ! He doesn't need much, just some QoL to compete with these newer champs.
I honestly like how unique Singed is. He's exceptional on those that have better macro knowledge of the game in exchange for any dueling or upfront presence.
@@Adam-wy7mj I mean Zilean thinks about where he throw his q why Singed needs to know where to toss you opponent from e and both need to are about positioning
THIS IS VERY EFFECTIVE!!: I play Singed but never played him as a tank, I play him as the new sub role 'Distraction' which is available to selected champs only like Jhin, Quinn etc. Basically you get predator, enhanced boots for runes (the others can be anything) and build chemtank, deadmans, ghostblade etc. if you are reading this you prolly have the idea of the whole build, and the logic here is basically fling the enemy before they can react, then go to the enemy back line keep on running around as distraction till the enemy you fling is killed, then fling another one. you will understand fun in league if you do this. HAVE FUN
The problem with singed is that nowadays proxy isn't as effective as it once was because champions tank the waves and have some form of sustains and in lane fights singed rarely ever will win as hr doesn't have any instant damage
Imma just say the buff to his poison damage feels REALLY nice. Makes early proxy+corrupting so much easier, when you used to need to take the extra AP from DS/DR. Singed is all macro. Most people's mistake is just taking Conqueror every game and not adjusting based on the comp/lane.
Singed Jg. His W and throw work really well with celerity and predator, and Jg items mostly fix any mana issue you may have. gathering storm and mobility make him a constantly increasing threat that WILL need to be dealt with to win team-fights. I usually build leechingleer - rylai's - riftmaker or a more useful item for mobility depending on if current mobility is enough and I need healing or the enemy team is too fast at running away.
"he is not built for the current state of league" Exactly, and he hasn't been for years. Riot changed his passive to try and capitalize on how people we using him to engage, but the problem with that was, his old passive was what made him tanky enough run through fights. By changing his passive they hamstrings him, and singed mains have been struggling to find builds and keystones that make him viable in the meta. Tank singed almost never viable anymore, so you have to go full damage... Which as you pointed out means he can't be tanky. Thankfully in season 11 items have made it so you can at least get good health and ap, and his poison was buffed to help him be more of a threat.
Well i like his new passive you don’t actually have to build mana on singed anymore and get slightly movements speed when the catch up to you and yes sometimes that movement speed save your live.
His old passive was the reason why rod of ages was a core item on him, now with the two gone he has neither the tankiness nor the damage to be impactful in any way.
Its actually really crazy, I just started picking up singed recently and I have tried him early on in my league career and totally hated him. But now, after playing the game for so long and with the new items singed just feels so chill and fun.
lol the first Singed in the background is me. Anyways great video, I especially agree with the fact that Singed is too niche, as I play Kled, Urgot, and Singed as my 3 champions. Playing Singed while playing the other 2 makes it very hard to consistently do well on him. Singed is also way too weak in laning phase to really beat anybody, except for tanks. I do slightly disagree about the fact that he isn't fun though. Maybe his laning phase isn't fun whatsoever, but teamfighting on him for me is just so much fun cause I just run around and cause so much chaos. I can see why many players would stray away from him though, cause his laning phase isn't very fun since you just suffer and wait for your items, especially against ranged top laners. Currently Diamond 1, and I can hardly play him as a counterpick, much less a first pick.
Heyo, singed enthusiasts here. I’d say there are 3 different types of ways to play singed. Tank, damage and somewhat towards the middle of both with healing. Also you do have to go out of your way to learn him, like what you are going to do if the other top laner can perfectly stay out of your range. I enjoy laning more than proxying, but its better than going against a mord or fiora. Ill dodge every game against gnar. You can first time gnar and beat a good singed. I don’t know if they will ever change singed very much. If there was a rework I bet they would give him a shield or something.
My solution to all of the downsides that come with playing Singed in top lane? Take that bad boy into the jungle. I've had multiple enemy junglers complain that my clear speed is unfair, gank potential is high early game with predator and W, and a Liandry's rush just wins the game most of the time. I don't believe this would work nearly well in high elo, if at all, but it just completely dominates low elo if you know how to jungle in the first place.
Singed has the major advantage that as long as he has a poison trail, all of his kit can change without too much of a change to his mechanics. The hard part is respecting the fundamental Singed playstyle while making it a healthier playstyle. Like, I wouldn't mind a more traditional laning phase, but Singed absolutely must retain his niche of being this super-slippery champion that excels at distracting the enemy team. As in, he can't 1v5, can't even really 1v1, but you need to deal with him or he'll either run around harassing you during the team fights or go grab an inhibitor by himself.
After like 100 match feedding and feel like shit the moment you realize singed's garbage is the moment you really star to play him better and stop feeding
So I think the thing you didn’t understand about singed is that singed is one of the most powerful champions when his ult and ghost are active. Singed is extremely ult reliant. A monster but only for a short window. If enemies know to bait that you lose if you get them first you win
Singed is according to riot the champion with the second steepest learning curve. That alone is proof he has one of THE HIGHEST skill ceilings in the entire game.
Singed is a truly unique champion with the next closest in style of play being Lillia. I feel Singed requires a selfless play style. As for your observation on MaoKai yes they nerfed his saplings. Thanks... now you can't really play MaoKai anywhere since they nerfed the saplings into oblivion & didn't buff any other part of his kit to compensate. Is it wrong to miss the old tank meta?
I’d say his skill ceiling is deceptively high. I’ve played against a few Singed mains that just get in there a hard stomp and carry. It’s wild when they do and I don’t understand how they stomp so hard early. Clearly they’re more skilled than most
really think they need to buff something to encourage his play style. Like have him pick up some movement speed as long as he doesnt stop moving, making using skills other then poison a bit of a risk to use but also allowing the option of just running around. Maybe make it his skills have a bit of scaling with this passive buff so the faster he is going the farther the toss
You missed an important aspect- if singed tanks damage, he can push better than any other top laner- this gives him the unique ability to roam- to go take camps, or go proxy. Singed can usually get low, push to tower, back, and be back without losing farm.
I am an one trick singed, and i i agree with what you sayed, if we were talking about old singed. Singed is no more a anticarry, there is too much champions with dashes and leaps what makes chasing a singed not so hard. Singed righ now is a rlly good utility champ due to is fling and his distribution of damage in fights is amazing. But in lane you dont have any chance with almost every toplaner, unless you play with conquerer, but in that case you are playing a fighter singed but you lose most of your utility potential, what makes him a macro game machine and not a micro game champ. I love macro game and singed is perfect for that, despite you win or lose your lane you will always find a way to be useful. But as you said, is a very specific play style and takes too much time to mastery.
Hey guys, I'm a Singed OTP (as of posting this World Rank 81 Singed/Rank 12 NA) Singed as a champion and why no one plays him. Where to start, first and foremost he isn't flashy. Who wants to play as a bald man who has damage that isnt instant when you can play flashy champs like Cam or Irelia? But the main thing I wanted to touch on, "he doesn't belong in this game" I would disagree. In a meta of champions with EXTREME mobility he has access to one of the strongest forms of CC in the game, grounding. Irelia ulted your team? W on the target she has to Q to and she instantly dies. Kass R? Nope. Vayne tumble invis? Sorry. The game is overtuned currently with too much healing and damage, but in my opinion the largest problem is mobility. To many champions can dish huge damage and get out safely (looking at you Yone) and Singed is one of THREE champions in the entire game that has access to grounding. Singed has been and will always be viable (not competitive) because of his unique ability to play the game that no other champion can do. We can see this in examples like Lehends, a Korean pro player who hit Rank 1 Korea playing Singed. The difficulty in Singed is not that he's bad, its that he has limited tools so the only way to outplay your opponents is through macro decision making and team fighting. But regardless of his kit being limited, because of items he becomes extremely useful. His simple Q now has become a slowing field that applies a 30% of grevious wounds. With two items, Rylais and Morellos you have almost solved the two problems in this meta. Healing and mobility, couple this with your W and you provide high levels of team fighting and play making. Singed as a character will be and has to be hard to learn because even if he does lets say 1/2 the damage of a normal toplaner. When you apply that damage to 5 people, it really doesn't matter.
Hello, singed main here. yeah it's so hard to play the champ right now that his main build is literally rylas and a support item. Liandrys doesn't give Health anymore and conqueror is only 9% healing and has 12 stacks now, old conqueror of 10 stacks and 12% was actually the only reason singed had a high winrate last patch. Almost every champ has mobility or cc. And some of the new champs are even faster than singed with his ultimate. The champ isn't even that tanky and is easily one shot, u have to wait 25mins and farm 140+ creeps for u to start popping off which isn't that easy when most champs are stronger than you and are able to zone u off cs. Proxying isn't an option any more because of his fast champs snowball of mills and most jglers will simply camp u if see u doing so. Mythics only made the champ weaker, with old liandys and rylas, I was able to get an average of 30-50k dmg a game and would carry a losing game if it reached 25mins. Now I'm 4 ap items in and just nearly reaching 13k. But I still rather play him than be a meta slave.
Fleet Footwork and Phase Rush are pretty fun on him, though. I mostly go Rylas or Demonic first, then into Force of Nature and DMP, prioritizing one over the other based on the enemy team, but always building both. Nightharvester and Cosmic Drive are pretty fun, jsut like Moonstone and Staff of the Flowing River (don't know the english name) as a support. Don't fight, just split, farm, or protect your carry and dissrupt the enemy lane, so he/she can clean up after you and pick off idiot champs like Rengar, Heca, or Khazix since you completely counter their engage and burst with ur glue. Distract the enemy team, so your team can clean up, while you get gold from assists and minions. It's actually pretty fun, especially with Moonstone.
@@Abfallkannibale can't really play that way in low elo. U have to be in fights or babysit ur team. If not someone's gonna throw. 90% of my games are we win early and lose mid game coz the jgler dies before objectives or the botlane feeds their ass off. I try though man, I try
Been attempting to play Singed top recently because I've been getting dumpstered as a support due to situations that have happened so out of my control that I may or may not have broken mentally and said "screw it" and jumped to top with Singed so I can turn off my brain and be a pest to my top lane oponent. There is this sort of sick, twisted satisfaction in being able to make your enemies not really be able to kill you, or have them believe they can kill you because they bursted you down to 25-20% HP, making them very impatient and wanting to kill you right away only for them to fall in the classic "Never chase Singed" trap and kill them due to their own arrogance, and then taun the ever living shit out of them with dances, emotes and typing ":^)" in all chat. When I play Singed I don't play to win lane, I don't pay to get kills, I play to be the biggest annoyiance possible to my lane oponent. I want to be the reason why the jungler ganks top all the time, I want to be the reason the enemy suddenly pulls out 4 people to try and kill me so I can say "damn, you need 4 people to kill me? I'm just an oversized minion!", I want them to HATE me because I draw a sick, twisted satisfaction in doing so. I don't play Singed to win the lane, I play Singed to tilt the enemy and win the game. We are in a battle of attrition my guy, and I'll win with all the dirty tricks possible.
just so you know the most important point is that he don't have the right item to play this season. if rigorous glory+hextech gunblade used to be his main item, now you have to pick between the gap closing or sustainability.
Just picked him up this week, I had a lot of fun playing him in one-for-all! I decided to watch some guides and try him in norms. Went on a really bad losing streak and felt like shit. Everything you said in this video resonates with the past 15 games I played. Never raged harder at this game.
I'm not a top main, but I really wanted to try Tahm Kench once cause I really enjoyed his kit. First match I met a Singed main, and if I didn't play as carefully as I did then I would've been completely dominated. His positioning was always perfect and he put so much pressure on the lane I was under tower 90% of the time. Had no idea how to play against that hahah.
Because most people dont have the galaxy brain it takes to make the right decisions on Singed and move like a boss instead of like a feeder on Singed. Also makro knowledge
Mere mortals cannot comprehend the galaxy brain it takes to play singed XD
Yeah singed is deceptively hard to play, any good singed player deserves respect
@@infinitedark6158 facts.
Exactly
yeah, the complexity is not in the champion itself, but in the way you have to use his strengths and in knowing exactly what to do against your matchup or team comp.
I am a Singed main, I've played it in basically every role except ADC and I can say without a shado of a doubt that he can be played in every role (and maybe carry too) except ADC if you know what you are doing without any problem.
Of course, it's way weaker in jungle, but it's a good counter to nunu if built right or to champs like viego/yi, in the midlane he can get cc'd easily but if you play it right you can win the majority of the matchups (with few exceptions like lux), same goes with support, matchups are more favorable and you are a perfect CD magnet (+perma-diving with certain champs like kindred).
It really comes down to your game knowledge and way less on your mechanical skills.
Singed has the hardest CC in the game: tilt
this is a fact of life
What about teemo hidden passive global taunt
thats why i play him. and shaco top. tilting people is fun reallt fun
@@pablo1006pr but you can be easily pinned down under your tower and punished hard for any mistake and get tilted yourself!
Kassadin and kat have the best cc.
Aoe death.
A good way my friend put playing singed "when you lock him in, you stop playing league, and start playing singed"
This got a smile out of me. It's perfect.
This is the most singiest, singe ive ever singe in my Linge.
Singeds fling is his true ult
Good thing that nerfed that too, I don't expect it to stop there
Its his only ability
I legit noticed this on Aram. I always avoid him but got stuck one day...and it was great. I picked a straggler, tossed them to my team, and they got eaten alive. Plus, YOU DON'T CHASE SINGED
As a singed main, yes, it really is. He punishes bad engage and poor positioning with extreme prejudice, while teaching you good positioning and learning to fight with unconventional tactics. I think this video gets a hair wrong about him, and a lot of mains will say there are many different ways to play him and fight/trade tactics many don't realize
They need to make singed ult like 100sec level one. Literally I feel like everyone has a 90sec cd ult
Playing against or with a Singed always makes for an interesting game. His KDA means nothing in terms of judging whether he's playing well or not. It can be genuinely hard to tell if a Singed is trolling or if they're an actual fucking mastermind wasting minutes of the enemy's time. Yeah, they got a kill and 300 gold out of it, for what cost? Singed chops my IQ in half simply from being in the same game, and I love him, even though I'm an ADC player.
I love to play singed with smite and I have over 950k master points on him and still ppl in both teams think I'm trolling, when they see smite on toplane.
Feeding is always bad even on singed, bit the tilt I can cause if I survive with 1hp and the enemy dies in poison due to a second of greed can win a game.
Sometimes that 1hp is missing 😅.
@@TBFSJjunior Actually with nimbus cloak smite sounds like a really good idea. A mini ghost thats can also be heal if you're caught in the jungle thats up every, what, 60 seconds? Plus that sweet sweet cannon secure. Sounds legit as fuck.
Me going 0/12 early but pulling 3 or more top lane in mid game, giving us free dragon control.
@@TBFSJjunior What do you do with your smite? I'm always interested in trying out new ways to play Singed. Also what runes do you take for that playstyle?
@@ZekeGenter
Last hit canon or speed up pushing. Secure dragon/baron with a second smite.
Little heal while running away in jgl.
Proxy behind tower and steal a jgl camp between waves (smite allows to clear jgl a little faster and heal up a little, so u catch next wave in time.)
It's a great way to catch up when behind my clearing a jgl camp on the way.
At start I sometimes steal the enemy buff top with my jgl. I tank and heal with smite. Then we try first blood top with both of us full life and jgl lvl2.
For runes spellbook can be good as u can switch smite and still use other spells, but get smite back right away, butvit works with other runes aswell.
"There is no satisfaction in getting a kill as Singed, unless you are one of those sick bastards who enjoy the suffering of others"
Yep, that check's out a bit too hard
This comment is just nonsense. You can replace "Singed" with any other champion arbitrarily. Or lets say: Getting killed by Singed never tilted me. Along with almost all ADCs or casters...but by Darius, Camille, Yone, Samira, Sett and other imbalanced champs.
@@Avus86 Singed is sorta like Shaco he is extremely slippery becouse of his poison and can kill you even if he is on 1 hp, that's where the frustration from being killed by a Singed comes from
@@luj6455 Shaco is a superspecial case due to the invisibility of the boxes and the cloning, to what u literally can't react/where luck is a factor (same for Teemo with the Shrooms btw. - and I say that even though I really like playing Teemo and the champ overall. He's an annoying tilter.)...@Singed: Lots of ppl play overpowered champs, like the ones I named already. Then getting killed by an inferior champ does tilt the weak-minded. And they deserve it, immature lot -> I've been watching Minishcap1 for months now, and you see exactly that all the time. They expect to dominate (with little skill required), and they usually get it. THEN they are withdrawn of it by that lame loser hero nobody plays. That's the reason why they tilt.
@@Avus86 yeah that's pretty much what I was talking about. Babyman Darius crying cuz he doesn't understand that Singed has his Q.
It's really entertaining.
The more i play League, the more i fall into that category.
But thats only in game, though.
I disagree that the Singed ceiling cap is very low. Literally not dying on Singed is extremely difficult
Most of Singed's skill cap is actually macro play, rather than champion play. The champ himself has very low skill cap, but knowing how and when to use him in a game is where the skill ceiling flies up
The only thing that's champion micro with Singed is landing his W+E
@@Aexils Singed has literally two combos:
W -> E
E -> AA while the target is flying (surprisingly useful if you're conq Singed or you're running DMP)
Aand that's it. The difficulty on this guy is exclusively positioning and macro and he's hella difficult at it. Thinking that "high skill cap" means "how fast can I button mash" Riven or Irelia-style it's just wrong, that ain't skill or intelligence, it's muscle memory at best. Honestly speaking the only tweaks I could see for him are his passive and his R: cutting some of that unjustifiably high uptime for the R (or cutting the current R as a whole) in exchange for an active effect (dashing or spreading poison in a different pattern, like releasing a poison cloud ring centered on him)could really make him much more proactive, also far as I know no champion has "special gimmicks" revolving around potion consumables, wouldn't it be a really interesting idea to have him interact in a peculiar way with some of the potions available?
@@Aexils which in most cases is extremely risky to do and unreliable, it really depends on the situation.
@@tehrik0020 it used to be ingrained when Dark Seal had the potion bonus. You would always get Dark Seal and the refilling potion. You would proxy farm a few waves then die to tower to get a corruption potion. One of the few champions i know that can call corrupting potion a power spike.
Me: Interesting
*continues maining singed*
As you should!
@@VarsVerum oh hey, also what you said about the pleasure on the frustration of others, I totally agree, I mean it is part of lore that Singed is really sick mentally
@@marlikbudvergard he made Warwick just to see if he could. No sedatives as he forcefully converted a man into a chemtech werewolf.
@@thesun5275 Dear my I didn't know about the sedatives part.
Longtime Singed Main here. My favorite thing about Singed stems from his low mechanical complexity: playing Singed makes you better at league. The amount of macro knowledge needed to play Singed effectively (enemy champion positions when proxying, common ward placements, best flanking paths, how to deal with unbeatable matchups, TP timings, strange summoner spell combinations) forces you to expand and hone your knowledge about everything in league of legends, and that's what makes him fun, to me at least.
Well, that and sprinting at the enemy at 1k MS, flinging their carry into a mega adhesive to root them, and getting that sweet sweet "summoner disconnected" message afterwards. That makes it all worth it.
Weird and diverse rune choice is also another reason why I love Singed. I tried Aery with Conditioning and Gathering Storm and by late game, I was an unkillable tank with 440 AP.
Singed is so free i stg.
Start of game go mid.
Clear two waves with q
Ignore poke, if theyre melee trade with auto and posion if theyre ranged commit hard to clearing.
After 2 waves leave lane, never look back, predator, get a kill, congratulations you won thr game.
They also can't change him too much, I'm a Singed main and every single one of us is very attached to his playstyle, a rework would literally make every old Singed main leave him
Give him back his tenacity on ult.
@@richardmeunster8743 they should also make it so his w is larger with more skill points in it like cass
Riot doesn't care about loyalty to a character. Iiterally all of my old mains got reworked to the point where I don't know them anymore. Fiora, Akali, and Irelia. None of their kits are remotely the same as it use to be.
Hasnt prevented riot to delete (i mean rework) old galio or urgot!
@@luufia why do people hate new Urgot? I got the chance to play old Urgot once and his ult was fun, but the new one is awesome, i main Urgot.
“When you get a kill as singed there’s no real satisfaction” ARE YOU SERIOUS? When I get a kill on singed I know my brain was BULDGING with knowlage, I RAN AWAY and PRESSED E Extreme outplay highest skill champ
The galaxy brain
@@VarsVerum lol
Big brain strats. It takes at least 110 iq to get to diamond with singed, 125 if you want to get challenger
You don’t play much singed i see :))
I feel satisfied when I get a kill on singed because I know that they were DUMB enough to die to my poison xD
Singed's kit is designed in such an unique way, that it doesn't allow skill expression as much as it allows macro and decision making to be even more impactful. I love it
The most useless champ in LoL
They should delete this trash champ
@@imanafdar bro needs a singed hug
@@elmostachojuanoh what is his gameplay? Releasing poison gas and hoping enemy idiot enough to chase you?
Slow in pushing, only have 1 target skill, mostly feeder.
This champ need to be deleted
@@imanafdarslow in pushing? that is the one and only singed strength from level 1. he is the one and only champion which main ability can 1) have a permanent uptime with no cast time and 2) be applied to any and every target you tag.
when designing such champ you NEED to make him extremely weak, just like sona is:
Sona can empower up to 4 allies and herself at a given time, therefore if that theoretical situation is where she shines the most, she should be considerably weak in a 1v1 or 2v2 in comparison to champions who specialize in those. same deal with singed but with self-to-enemy interactions instead of sona's self-to-ally
therefore this champion is by design weak in 1v1s, weak in early game, without mentioning the awful itemization problem. he is a champion that will force you, his pilot to see the game in a different way, interact with many game systems that you would usually not interact with, just to barely pilot it. and the payoff is also flipping middle finger to every league player who will be forced to play singed's game, instead of the usual league of legends you are used to.
this concept is in no way unique to singed, every champion warps things around them to create their own ruleset of what they can and cannot do, singed does it in the most topsy turvy way possible. he gets to flip you, break an unbreakable freeze to any other champion, transition into a proxy into backing because those two things costed you literally your whole health bar. so yes i get why you hate him, and i love him for the same reasons
you probably didnt read half of that, here is a cookie if you did
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skill issue
FUN FACT: Singed was first champion ever created in the game. Be proud Singed mains, we carry legacy.
FUN FACT: The very head person in charge of League of Legends is a Singed main. Minishcap does a video reviewing why he (director) "failed" to make Singed better.
@@stealthgamer4620 if thats true why isnt singed getting buffed?
@@oliveralund6441 dunno i have 90% wr on 20 games with him, even though i was planning to troll with singed i always end up winning
@@oliveralund6441 He might be a high ranking member of Riot, but he can't let his own personal bias overtake the requests of the shareholders (read: Tencent), nor the atrocious balance team's decision, nor the money that keeping champions way more popular than his main brings in. It's really not his fault that Singed is unpopular.
@@stealthgamer4620 LETS GO that means they won't rework him
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I'm actually happy that Singed has a very low pick rate. I like having a niche. I always tried to find a place in League, swapping from one role to another, mostly playing tanks or mages top or support, always getting destroyed by solo carry champions.
Then I developed item builds like "yellow build Alistar" (Ancient Coin, Righteous Glory, Ryleis, all that stuff) before Riot "reworked" their support items, or "victory Sion" rushing ZzRoth, Steraks and Phantom Dancer, before they removed the best item ever from the game. *theatralic outcry*
Now I'm stuck in a meta so bursty, that I just don't feel like dealing with those thirsty solo carries anymore. That's when Singed arrived. I love how ALMOST NO mythic item is good on him as a first item and I love even more, that he really is a walking middle finger, especially to champions that crushed me in the past. It is all about mental stability and movement with him. No ridiculous animation-canceling, no dumb pseudo-fencing or stack-grinding towards a guaranteed win. You just move and push one objective after the other, being to annoying to let live, but too slippery to kill, reworking my old Alistar-build for the current season. You need to re-learn how you move in order to survive ridiculous encounters, having thirsty tryhards breathing down your neck. When three men gank me and I die, it is worth it to me, because I take a turret and farm and even if I don't, they left two enemy players exposed to my teams remaining four. I stopped giving a fuck about proving myself in League through KDA and other meaningless bullshit. That was the beginning of my love for Singed. Now champions aren't a target anymore. Stickers, emotes and flame don't reach me anymore. I just want those yummi minions and turrets, no matter the cost.
Currently I play him top and as a support against melee champs and fiddle for everything else. I'm an unrelenting split-pusher and meta-troll and I love it. Fuck the haters. Fuck the bruisers and fuck Viego especially.
I think the most fun I've ever had in league, was when bible singed was around, having a fat 25% cut on summoner spells let you spam ghost every minute or so, and not to forget when minions didnt have as much hp and do as much dmg, one cpot charge for 3 waves, now you end on the verge of death trying to lvl 1 proxy.
Singed works mid against a surprising number of champs that regularly use that lane.
Walking middle finger LMAO
Fuck the haters... ironic
Love how you play him support. He has been a vayne/kalista/yuumi counter pick for a while for me
"When you get a kill as singed there’s no real satisfaction” As a Singed main, I would like to disagree. Every champ on the top lane has tools to pretty easily shut you down quickly, via stuns, slows or just general burst damage. You killing someone means that, despite the enemy having considerably more tools to deal with you that you have to deal with them, you killed them. You "outskilled" them because you used your limited tools to the fullest, like knowledge of the enemy champion, your movement speed, you positioning, etc. Also in some parts of the video you suggest that "Singed KDA does not matter" but trust me, if your able to get kills early as singed (yes, there are a lot of ways of doing that) you transform Singed into a HUGE anchor for your team that can easily help the ally ADC and midlaner.
I think out of all the Champions, getting a kill on Singed is the most satisfying because of what you said. You got next to nothing yet despite that, you managed to beat someone else who have many ways to take you out.
I go 0/5 proxy farm and after bought my first item run up to lane and solo kill the ire that 2/0 :D
true, i also disagree with the sentiment that getting a kill on singed isnt satisfying. as a fellow singed main, when you get a double kill after enemy jungler ganks you on top its one of the most satisfying thing ever. i mean, "forcing" your opponent to "commit a mistake" is essentialy outplaying them, who the hell doesnt feel satisfaction after doing such a play? i mean, this video has some false assumptions which when ignored make perfect sense, but as a singed main i notice them immediately.
You are right, but he meant for the general playerbase it isn't as satisfying, because it isn't flashy and new singed players don't know how weak he is. So the kills aren't really satisfying.
@@ДюсековИльяс It's all based on your expectations. I never expect to get kills so whenever it happens its funny to me. Like, "lol, I can't believe they died to my poison."
The FIRST game I decided to play Singed I met literally the only other person I've ever see pick him on the enemy team, we then both met on mid because I got left there. For a moment we both just looked at each other and started dancing. We both had a moment of enjoyment before we each attempted to throw each other like ragdolls into something dangerous
There's nothing quite like the primal joy of flinging a riven out of her third q, or a camille out of her e, or a jax out of his jump, etc., and launching them into a pile of angry minions. It literally never gets old.
Oh, flinging an ulting fiddlesticks back over the wall he came from. It's been a few years since I've done it, but that's a big moment of my singed experience.
As a singed main you don't understand how many times you are forced to outplay fights because you are supposed to lose like 90% of them. It is a very unique playstyle, but the gratification comes in mastering that and watching people just kill themselves in frustration. Also laughing maniacally every time you fling them hasn't gotten old and I am at like 550k mastery points
5:40 made me sad, singed ulted and shut off his poison.
Not gonna lie sometimes I accidentally turn it off because I can’t tell if it’s off or on LOL
That footage is not me, but I can understand his pain
As a main. I feel this. With the mana managing i do (turning in and off the poison to save mana) sometimes i end up like "i was that whole teamfight without my q? Fuck..."
I ccan proudly say that after 1 year.
It still happens, tho now i am aware that it has a q deactivating w bug, so i blame that for peace of mind.
Ok i know this is very late but i love singed from his design to his lore to his mechanic. One thing i learned from maining him is that hes not a combat type champion. If youre planning to main him make sure youre ready to lose 70% of the matchups and be on the defensive in early game. Youll be at your strongest point when ppl think their ahead and underestimate your potential when they gank you even at low health. Your job is not to deal damage or provide team support but mind your own business and distract enemies while exhausting their resources in attempt to shut you down. Youre right, hes mechanically not what a champion is built to be, and arguably the most unique one even at today's standards. HES A CHAMPION THAT KILLS BY FLEEING AND RUNNING NOT BY FIGHTING. I have mad respect for mechanically skilled players who main yasuo, camille etc. but i know deep inside that maining my man singed gives you a special power to play with someone else's ego while wrecking havoc and panic.
i don't play singed a lot but I've always enjoyed playing him, "sick and twisted minds that enjoys the enemy's frustration" makes sense because i'm a shaco main lol
lmao
I main Caustic in Apex Legends so Singed vibes with me
Similar to me. I started playing League as Shaco for the mental anguish of others. But I wanted to be more "useful"
So I moved on to top and just gravitated towards Singed. Maybe because I'm a sadistic fuck but he just clicked with me. Granted, I almost never play top anymore (moved down to the bot lane and support) but Singed is still my pocket pick top and most people have no idea how to deal with him. I love it.
I love that Singed his KDA says nothing about his performance during the game. I believe he is actually good because you shouldn't focus him during a team fight since the enemy team can do whatever they want that way, but at the same time you HAVE to focus him because he will otherwise wreck havoc in the middle of your team
I'm OTP Singed +700k mastery points.
All i want to say: "Dont play this champ".
i got 900k and I love singed but his early is so weak and volatile that it's hard to go even let alone get a lead into the mid game as singed. Plus his build paths are a bit lackluster for mythics. At least I think so.
He's fun though.
Edit, march 8th:
Conqueror Singed, with riftmaker is actually really fun. Also fucking stridebreaker... the hell are riot thinking?
950k+ singed OTP here and I want to get the million this year.
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@@PlumpPotatoRump One of the weirder builds that I've seen minishcap running is the one with the ally heal mythic (forgot it's name). Have you tried it, any thoughts?
@@8ballwithahat Moonstone renewer? I tried it when it first came out it was pretty fun... kinda BUT I don't really care for that type of build. I usually go Predator + Chemtank OR Riftmaker + Conq.
Predator/Chemtank/Cosmic Drive/Deadmans/Boots and then whatever last item you want for defense or whatever. Go Ghost Teleport. And just gank the shit out of all the lanes. FLY INTO THE ENEMY TEAM LATE GAME, that shit is fucking hilarious!!!!
@@PlumpPotatoRump that's the one. Also that build sounds fun as well.
Lmao calling out my dude minishcap. As he puts it "singed mains are all boomers. Even if youre a young league player, if you main singed you're a boomer"
Huh, I guess being a boomer isn't as bad as I thought... TIME TO GRILL
minishcap gang
@@flamingwheel9926 Agreed, I'm young, tbh I am quite a boomer, I don't understand my generation too much.
If you play Singed and become a one trick, prepare yourself to learn multiple playstyles and have more than rune choices for one champion. Singed has a diverse options for runes and this prevents hard counters. You gotta one trick him to have the most experience though because what he said about Singed's playstyle being radically different is on point. He has around three playstyles.
When he r make him unstopeable or just give a spell shield.
He'll become instantly better without damaging core game play
All we're asking for is an HP buff tbh, for what I've gathered from the rest of the Singed following
@@ambralemon
Some tenacity back on his ult would be great though.
@@TBFSJjunior I never got to play Singed when his ult gave tenacity and I'm very sad about that. I'd love an adaptive shield like Camille, though
just wanna say these vids are really awesome! super underrated, keep up the awesome content, im sure you get big someday!
Thanks
I love this series. I watch every vid.
Glad you enjoy it!
11:10 "Singed doesn't belong in the current state of League of Legends." I disagree. Singed represents a creative design philosophy that is all but dead in the game. New champions are all starting to become rehashed versions of existing concepts and at times each other (e.g. Viego is just 4 - 5 existing champions mushed into one). Having them on a set release schedule limits the amount of playtesting and is probably one reason they can't push the envelope on completely new ideas. Riot encourages unique, boundary pushing gameplay but design their champs in a way where they pre-determine how they're played. There was a point in time where one of the most active Singed players ran him in the Support role with Smite and he got banned for "trolling" despite actually playing to win. When Riot said they wanted creative ideas from the community and got this as a response they immediately said "lol no not like that." So many creative ideas come from this champion's existence. This game *needs* Singed and the community of enthusiasts, OTPs, and mains that pick him.
2 months ago the guy across from me said he'd never seen a singed before. I had a 3/0 lead before 10 minutes. He constantly asks me what kind of character is this, so ridiculous, why does it poison etc. He kept saying things. this was just a very normal day for me on the turkey server. At the end of the match, I went 12/3 and he kept telling me that I was just playing a ridiculous character.
He was playing mordekaiser by the way.
One thing I personally find underrated about singed is taking everfrost for the extra disruption and 1v1 potential
Contrary to your belief that he has a low skill ceiling because he is mechanically simple: The fact that he is so simple, makes the skill ceiling so much higher to compensate.
like very very high. for top and bot of course. mid singed is oof.
As a "Singed Main" I feel like he is a strong pick against almost any laners and can win almost any match up. It's definitely niche and you need to play him a lot to understand them. But I split my playtime between singed and gnar, two characters that are incredibly unique and have found great success in both top lane. Maybe I just accidentally joined the singed cult and didnt realize but hey, it just works
This is a legit question.
How would you win lane against:
Darius
Garen
Mundo
Gnar ?
I main singed too btw #SingedMain
@@PlumpPotatoRump cant you perma proxy garen and mundo? then just win that way?
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Not if the jungler comes, they can also perma farm the wave and you'll go even in farm. So that's pretty good, but again, it's high risk if you stay too long.
Plus Garen's Q, tenacity and a possible stride breaker, it's just rough to fight him.
With Mundo he'll never die if he's lvl 6 nad his cleavers do a shit ton of dmg. Plus he can zone you off from proxying too.
I'm also hella bias but each game is unique and a lot of the time ppl don't know the singed match-up so u can take liberties :P I have to remind myself that often too ^_^
@@PlumpPotatoRump thing about that is, they will take tons of dmg, or risk losing minions under tower, and if the jungler comes thats a really good thing to happen since its diverting pressure from other lanes to yours, and you should be able to survive if you know they are coming
@@PlumpPotatoRump just proxy with darius and pray for god firt item if he kill me is ice heart and if he not then right glory
Using ghost and ignite with mundo and try to kill him at level 2 firr item if the enemi jungle love me is right glory and if he not then it rylai
With garen proxy like darius but easyer , you should buy tabi shoe firt
Gnar proxy + tabi and then firt item is right glory you should try to find enemy jungle and kill them if you can
getting kills like that dose sound satisfying though, winning the tactical engagement despite being weaker sounds like it would be very rewarding
most use weapons and magic as a weapon, but he uses the map to kill
As a Singed main if they changed his kit I would have a very hard time playing him in the same way. Singed pisses people off so hard core and thats why i love him.
I also have to disagree that you've basically said Singed takes 0 Skill and you may as well play a different champion because you could do the same thing. I have seen so many people play signed that have 0 idea and constantly feed because they think hes just a farm horse. I often go toe to toe with Irelias/Urgots/Camiles and come out winning the trade as singed, in my opinion when you are winning trades regularly vs those champions its taking skill especially without the help of a turret. but you are correct when you say you need to punish their mistakes, but thats true of any champion/player this is a league fundamental. Lets put some respect back on this Champ :D
I love introducing my pocket pick Predator singed jungle to the enemy team. Gives it that extra "despair" factor
Predator is the shit, I love activating all my speed boosts at once and just flying at them at mach 5 speeds
I'm a singed main and I engage all the time getting kills quite often. I hardly ever use tower. I prefer to force an engage by charging straight in with poison trail then flip them into my poison ghost then w their escape route run in front of them to continue the damage (ignite helps lol). You can even draw them in if they think they can kill you or they panic and miss all their abilities and die to you. It's so fun you just have to throw out fear and hesitation. Go in or nothing
The satisfaction from singed is the way the enemy’s hp bar drops and also getting kills after you die, but this is mostly for full ap burn singed
singed420's videos were the reason I started maining singed back in the day
Same, the triple proxy while spamming taunt and mastery 5 was insane
as a singed main i can tell u have many ways to come around with those problems because of the individual playstyle, builds and runes he can play
give the singed poison a grievous wounds effect and he got to be every useful in current meta, completely countering all the many live steal and healing effects currently in the game. I also think singed ultimate could be made more interesting. I think a "heimerdinger" approach could be fun and also increase singed skill ceiling. Make singed ult turn his other abilities into a more powerful form and you have to choose which is best to use:
- Singed poison -> current singed ult effect
- Super glue -> now turn into choking gas: Bigger area, stay for longer, silences everyone in it and reduce their vision (like nocturne ult), but much weaker slow effect and no fling combo
- fling -> Put a sticky gas tank on the target while flinging them, which will inflict singed poison dmg to the target and everyone near them for the next XX seconds.
This way singed improves on his "I'm the most annoying champ in the game" theme, while getting more useful in the meta.
[edit] crazy follow up idea: How about singed getting an ability which can slow down the whole game for a short time. Literally grounding players, giving negative ability haste and a movement slow effect? And to balance it, it would affect every player in range (team mates as well as enemy champions). I'm sure everybody would hate this! :'D
A few patches ago be like: 40% Grievous wounds on R
@@meguryzer9689 Yeyy, Rito for sure read my great suggestion and then had to add at least a little bit of it to Singed. Hahaaa. :)
If Rito added his old passive back scaled as an always on passive on Q or R, he could get some more build flexibility without bodying people early.
If Rito added a little shieldless Riven Dash only available when R was in use, maybe the whole enemy team wouldn't out speed him even when he goes ghost flash. He used to be like the 3rd fastest champ!
He doesn't need much, just some QoL to compete with these newer champs.
I honestly like how unique Singed is. He's exceptional on those that have better macro knowledge of the game in exchange for any dueling or upfront presence.
I am one of those twisted minds, I love the feeling of confusing the enemy team
Honestly I find singed and Zilean players about the same gotta think about what you gotta do
That is a horrible comparison.
@@Adam-wy7mj I mean Zilean thinks about where he throw his q why Singed needs to know where to toss you opponent from e and both need to are about positioning
THIS IS VERY EFFECTIVE!!:
I play Singed but never played him as a tank, I play him as the new sub role 'Distraction' which is available to selected champs only like Jhin, Quinn etc. Basically you get predator, enhanced boots for runes (the others can be anything) and build chemtank, deadmans, ghostblade etc. if you are reading this you prolly have the idea of the whole build, and the logic here is basically fling the enemy before they can react, then go to the enemy back line keep on running around as distraction till the enemy you fling is killed, then fling another one. you will understand fun in league if you do this. HAVE FUN
The problem with singed is that nowadays proxy isn't as effective as it once was because champions tank the waves and have some form of sustains and in lane fights singed rarely ever will win as hr doesn't have any instant damage
Just got tilted playing Singed so this video is perfect right now.
Imma just say the buff to his poison damage feels REALLY nice. Makes early proxy+corrupting so much easier, when you used to need to take the extra AP from DS/DR. Singed is all macro. Most people's mistake is just taking Conqueror every game and not adjusting based on the comp/lane.
Singed Jg. His W and throw work really well with celerity and predator, and Jg items mostly fix any mana issue you may have. gathering storm and mobility make him a constantly increasing threat that WILL need to be dealt with to win team-fights. I usually build leechingleer - rylai's - riftmaker or a more useful item for mobility depending on if current mobility is enough and I need healing or the enemy team is too fast at running away.
"he is not built for the current state of league"
Exactly, and he hasn't been for years. Riot changed his passive to try and capitalize on how people we using him to engage, but the problem with that was, his old passive was what made him tanky enough run through fights. By changing his passive they hamstrings him, and singed mains have been struggling to find builds and keystones that make him viable in the meta. Tank singed almost never viable anymore, so you have to go full damage... Which as you pointed out means he can't be tanky. Thankfully in season 11 items have made it so you can at least get good health and ap, and his poison was buffed to help him be more of a threat.
Well i like his new passive you don’t actually have to build mana on singed anymore and get slightly movements speed when the catch up to you and yes sometimes that movement speed save your live.
It actually save me lot of time.
@@AgentYellowWang Riot changed his passive because we were abusing dark seal. Its a nerf.
His old passive was the reason why rod of ages was a core item on him, now with the two gone he has neither the tankiness nor the damage to be impactful in any way.
Its actually really crazy, I just started picking up singed recently and I have tried him early on in my league career and totally hated him.
But now, after playing the game for so long and with the new items singed just feels so chill and fun.
Maybe its cuz I understand toplane more, or maybe its just being sick of the same old hyper engage carry champs.
i played singed only for three years and i still dont know how to last hit
I definitely agree with problem 3 but I would say that is a symptom of the direction the game is going and not a problem with the champion itself.
The best way to learn how to play top lane to play singed. Every match up is a losing match up. It forces you to learn how to play from behind.
lol the first Singed in the background is me. Anyways great video, I especially agree with the fact that Singed is too niche, as I play Kled, Urgot, and Singed as my 3 champions. Playing Singed while playing the other 2 makes it very hard to consistently do well on him. Singed is also way too weak in laning phase to really beat anybody, except for tanks. I do slightly disagree about the fact that he isn't fun though. Maybe his laning phase isn't fun whatsoever, but teamfighting on him for me is just so much fun cause I just run around and cause so much chaos. I can see why many players would stray away from him though, cause his laning phase isn't very fun since you just suffer and wait for your items, especially against ranged top laners. Currently Diamond 1, and I can hardly play him as a counterpick, much less a first pick.
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Heyo, singed enthusiasts here. I’d say there are 3 different types of ways to play singed. Tank, damage and somewhat towards the middle of both with healing. Also you do have to go out of your way to learn him, like what you are going to do if the other top laner can perfectly stay out of your range. I enjoy laning more than proxying, but its better than going against a mord or fiora. Ill dodge every game against gnar. You can first time gnar and beat a good singed. I don’t know if they will ever change singed very much. If there was a rework I bet they would give him a shield or something.
Most toplaners are about 'being in your face'. Ma boi is about 'being in your base.'
My solution to all of the downsides that come with playing Singed in top lane? Take that bad boy into the jungle. I've had multiple enemy junglers complain that my clear speed is unfair, gank potential is high early game with predator and W, and a Liandry's rush just wins the game most of the time. I don't believe this would work nearly well in high elo, if at all, but it just completely dominates low elo if you know how to jungle in the first place.
damn i miss singed420, thought i was the only one who remembered him
It was Rudy
@@Darjan1985 who's rudy?
bro wtf happened to him, he was insanely popular and just dipped
Singed is one of the champions which have ctrl4 as part of their kit
So where are my singed buffs?
Singed has the major advantage that as long as he has a poison trail, all of his kit can change without too much of a change to his mechanics. The hard part is respecting the fundamental Singed playstyle while making it a healthier playstyle. Like, I wouldn't mind a more traditional laning phase, but Singed absolutely must retain his niche of being this super-slippery champion that excels at distracting the enemy team. As in, he can't 1v5, can't even really 1v1, but you need to deal with him or he'll either run around harassing you during the team fights or go grab an inhibitor by himself.
you gotta suck hard to not win a 1v1 with Singed
After like 100 match feedding and feel like shit the moment you realize singed's garbage is the moment you really star to play him better and stop feeding
So I think the thing you didn’t understand about singed is that singed is one of the most powerful champions when his ult and ghost are active. Singed is extremely ult reliant. A monster but only for a short window. If enemies know to bait that you lose if you get them first you win
Singed is according to riot the champion with the second steepest learning curve. That alone is proof he has one of THE HIGHEST skill ceilings in the entire game.
Singed is a truly unique champion with the next closest in style of play being Lillia. I feel Singed requires a selfless play style. As for your observation on MaoKai yes they nerfed his saplings. Thanks... now you can't really play MaoKai anywhere since they nerfed the saplings into oblivion & didn't buff any other part of his kit to compensate. Is it wrong to miss the old tank meta?
what if they give him damage reduction when hit on the back
I’d say his skill ceiling is deceptively high. I’ve played against a few Singed mains that just get in there a hard stomp and carry. It’s wild when they do and I don’t understand how they stomp so hard early. Clearly they’re more skilled than most
Vars: Singed is one of if not the most rage inducing champions
Cough cough, ap shaco
really think they need to buff something to encourage his play style. Like have him pick up some movement speed as long as he doesnt stop moving, making using skills other then poison a bit of a risk to use but also allowing the option of just running around. Maybe make it his skills have a bit of scaling with this passive buff so the faster he is going the farther the toss
You missed an important aspect- if singed tanks damage, he can push better than any other top laner- this gives him the unique ability to roam- to go take camps, or go proxy. Singed can usually get low, push to tower, back, and be back without losing farm.
He may not be satisfying, but it's damn funny to see someone die from the poison.
I hit Diamond 2 playing only singed... This champ is hidden op
A lot of these problems are fixed when you put him in the jungle, especially if you have a friend who plays yuumi
i love singed mains you guys are my favorite kind of people
I am an one trick singed, and i i agree with what you sayed, if we were talking about old singed. Singed is no more a anticarry, there is too much champions with dashes and leaps what makes chasing a singed not so hard. Singed righ now is a rlly good utility champ due to is fling and his distribution of damage in fights is amazing. But in lane you dont have any chance with almost every toplaner, unless you play with conquerer, but in that case you are playing a fighter singed but you lose most of your utility potential, what makes him a macro game machine and not a micro game champ. I love macro game and singed is perfect for that, despite you win or lose your lane you will always find a way to be useful. But as you said, is a very specific play style and takes too much time to mastery.
Hey guys, I'm a Singed OTP (as of posting this World Rank 81 Singed/Rank 12 NA) Singed as a champion and why no one plays him. Where to start, first and foremost he isn't flashy. Who wants to play as a bald man who has damage that isnt instant when you can play flashy champs like Cam or Irelia? But the main thing I wanted to touch on, "he doesn't belong in this game" I would disagree. In a meta of champions with EXTREME mobility he has access to one of the strongest forms of CC in the game, grounding. Irelia ulted your team? W on the target she has to Q to and she instantly dies. Kass R? Nope. Vayne tumble invis? Sorry. The game is overtuned currently with too much healing and damage, but in my opinion the largest problem is mobility. To many champions can dish huge damage and get out safely (looking at you Yone) and Singed is one of THREE champions in the entire game that has access to grounding. Singed has been and will always be viable (not competitive) because of his unique ability to play the game that no other champion can do. We can see this in examples like Lehends, a Korean pro player who hit Rank 1 Korea playing Singed. The difficulty in Singed is not that he's bad, its that he has limited tools so the only way to outplay your opponents is through macro decision making and team fighting. But regardless of his kit being limited, because of items he becomes extremely useful. His simple Q now has become a slowing field that applies a 30% of grevious wounds. With two items, Rylais and Morellos you have almost solved the two problems in this meta. Healing and mobility, couple this with your W and you provide high levels of team fighting and play making. Singed as a character will be and has to be hard to learn because even if he does lets say 1/2 the damage of a normal toplaner. When you apply that damage to 5 people, it really doesn't matter.
if singed ignores collision on minios would be the perfect buff us main need lol
Just wanted to say, great vids bro!
Well thank you Vars.
I loved the part where Singed said its Singing time and Singed all over the place.
Man i just wanna zoom past 5 people tank all of their ult's and not die, is that so much to ask for?
Hello, singed main here. yeah it's so hard to play the champ right now that his main build is literally rylas and a support item. Liandrys doesn't give Health anymore and conqueror is only 9% healing and has 12 stacks now, old conqueror of 10 stacks and 12% was actually the only reason singed had a high winrate last patch. Almost every champ has mobility or cc. And some of the new champs are even faster than singed with his ultimate. The champ isn't even that tanky and is easily one shot, u have to wait 25mins and farm 140+ creeps for u to start popping off which isn't that easy when most champs are stronger than you and are able to zone u off cs. Proxying isn't an option any more because of his fast champs snowball of mills and most jglers will simply camp u if see u doing so. Mythics only made the champ weaker, with old liandys and rylas, I was able to get an average of 30-50k dmg a game and would carry a losing game if it reached 25mins. Now I'm 4 ap items in and just nearly reaching 13k. But I still rather play him than be a meta slave.
Fleet Footwork and Phase Rush are pretty fun on him, though. I mostly go Rylas or Demonic first, then into Force of Nature and DMP, prioritizing one over the other based on the enemy team, but always building both. Nightharvester and Cosmic Drive are pretty fun, jsut like Moonstone and Staff of the Flowing River (don't know the english name) as a support. Don't fight, just split, farm, or protect your carry and dissrupt the enemy lane, so he/she can clean up after you and pick off idiot champs like Rengar, Heca, or Khazix since you completely counter their engage and burst with ur glue. Distract the enemy team, so your team can clean up, while you get gold from assists and minions.
It's actually pretty fun, especially with Moonstone.
@@Abfallkannibale can't really play that way in low elo. U have to be in fights or babysit ur team. If not someone's gonna throw. 90% of my games are we win early and lose mid game coz the jgler dies before objectives or the botlane feeds their ass off. I try though man, I try
@@ugandanyesuyt5104 That's the spirit!
Been attempting to play Singed top recently because I've been getting dumpstered as a support due to situations that have happened so out of my control that I may or may not have broken mentally and said "screw it" and jumped to top with Singed so I can turn off my brain and be a pest to my top lane oponent. There is this sort of sick, twisted satisfaction in being able to make your enemies not really be able to kill you, or have them believe they can kill you because they bursted you down to 25-20% HP, making them very impatient and wanting to kill you right away only for them to fall in the classic "Never chase Singed" trap and kill them due to their own arrogance, and then taun the ever living shit out of them with dances, emotes and typing ":^)" in all chat.
When I play Singed I don't play to win lane, I don't pay to get kills, I play to be the biggest annoyiance possible to my lane oponent. I want to be the reason why the jungler ganks top all the time, I want to be the reason the enemy suddenly pulls out 4 people to try and kill me so I can say "damn, you need 4 people to kill me? I'm just an oversized minion!", I want them to HATE me because I draw a sick, twisted satisfaction in doing so.
I don't play Singed to win the lane, I play Singed to tilt the enemy and win the game. We are in a battle of attrition my guy, and I'll win with all the dirty tricks possible.
He is literally the mutation that must survive
Who needs tankiness when you have speed and slows?
You failed to mention singed is the only champion who can go 0/x and hard carry a game just by denying the enemy capability to push
Singe hardest cc is his upgraded poison trail “itemenchanted” slow everywhere
At least Singed will be more popular now after Arcane.
As a singed main I have never had trouble with sett or Darius I have more trouble with nasus lol
just so you know the most important point is that he don't have the right item to play this season.
if rigorous glory+hextech gunblade used to be his main item, now you have to pick between the gap closing or sustainability.
Yeah none of the AP mythics really work well on him, nor the tank ones. He doesn't have a good first and second item.
I rarely play him but when i play him it can be a lot of fun to flip them around
The short version is that he's a rim simulator and the reason why Ryan won't rework him is because he'd been completely different champion
Playing him while the initial d gas gas gas goes in the background is a feeling beyond this world
The Sick and Twisted...NO! good sir, I am more of a connoisseur of the madness itself.
Just picked him up this week, I had a lot of fun playing him in one-for-all! I decided to watch some guides and try him in norms. Went on a really bad losing streak and felt like shit. Everything you said in this video resonates with the past 15 games I played. Never raged harder at this game.
singed be like:
YOU SHALL NOT CHASE
I'm not a top main, but I really wanted to try Tahm Kench once cause I really enjoyed his kit. First match I met a Singed main, and if I didn't play as carefully as I did then I would've been completely dominated. His positioning was always perfect and he put so much pressure on the lane I was under tower 90% of the time. Had no idea how to play against that hahah.
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