The CIS Droids which could've WON the CLONE WARS! -- Star Wars Lore
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- We take a closer look at the Separatist Demolition droids, which I believe could have won the Clone Wars for the CIS if used properly! All that and more on today's video!
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#askeck
The Galactic Empire from Star Wars is invaded by the Great Gamilas empire from Space Battleship Yamato. Do the imperials hold off the assault of these blue skinned invaders or do the Gamilas emerge victorious? And which side would the Rebel Alliance join?
Even if you don’t do this scenario could you please do something with “Space Battleship Yamato?”
Attempt number 13
#askeck If the empire invaded earth what would an Iowas main guns with nuclear shells do to a ISD
@Sprint 600
Well the ISD would have to be at an extremely low altitude for the Iowa to score a hit with its main guns. Depending on the yield of the shells ane the calcs you use for the ISD’s shields a full broadside could do anything from minor damage to causing a cataclysmic reaction that brings the imperial ship down in amazing fashion while “Thunderstruck” blasts in the background.
@@josephn8325 lol, It would need to be pretty low, but when watching rouge one in some cases ISDs are fine with getting quite low
Can you make a video regarding the slavery implications of the Kaminoan clones, I.E they have a reconizable darts.
It’s a shame the Clone Wars was all a big ass chess game. The CIS and their droid army would be quite the formidable force without the interference.
In Legends Palpatine had to leak the location of the Cortosis Droid factory, because Palps believed the CIS could have won the war with them.
WatchYourLanguage Yep and smarter programming for the battle droids cause they are so laughable dumb that if it weren’t for how formidable they are they would be more useless then the stormtroopers from Star Wars Rebels.
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WatchYourLanguage Not so much a chess game as one giant fucking game of Monopoly with the Banker tipping things in his own favor
It being a chess game is very interesting concept, especially because both players were Palpatine.
Grievous: Some you may not return. Actually...NONE of you will return. But don’t let that stand in your way. Is that clear?
Something about Grievous giving a speech to the demolition droids knowing they’re going on a suicide mission is kind of amusing and dark.
*Robotic gurgling*
Cyber Flame I was thinking about that quote 😂
Reminded me of Batman Returns.
Rats, someone got to this first. Oh well, couldn't help thinking of this quote too.
It’s also kind of sad, I think it’s a brief rare moment we see the last pieces of the general he used to be, before he was turned into Grievous.
Let’s be honest, there was at least 20 different ways the separatists could have won if it wasn’t for Palpatine.
Imagine wining a war by putting a bomb inside a trash bin and driving it close enough to palpatine
Usze 'Taham i think you mean the EntA.I.er threshold
Dooku could have kept the Death Star plans and told palpatine that the files were accidentally deleted
Usze 'Taham May I?
Ryan Griffin the Separatists may not have been a thing without Palpatine
I think partially the reason why an attempt like that was never attempted again was for two reasons.
1. The attack was meant to stir a ruckus in the senate during a specific talk for peace. Using them too often would eventually undermine the clones and by extension Palpatine. If it was an actual war with no Sith meddling then heck yeah they would use them more.
2. It was a one-trick-pony. After what happened you could assume that all clone guards were required to change up their tactics or detection. You got your pot shot in. But you could never do it again successfully.
but making everyone terrified of droids would cripple the economy of many planets and lead to civil unrest too, so in a way making use of the tactic woudl be effective in another sense; all the extra tactics and detection required to counter such a strategy would cost the republic greatly.
To elaborate on the second point, I feel all Republic shipments of droids, especially from manufacturers affiliated in any way with the CIS, would be thoroughly, meticulously inspected to insure an event like that not happening again
It would have been more beneficial to had multiple of these droids detonate in several key systems simultaneously. And attack like that could have crippled the Republic and forced them into a surrender. However I do agree that if this tactic was used throughout the war it would very quickly become ineffective.
@Commander Kyro well only republic worlds are going to be terrified of droids unless your attacking your own settlements. I mean... making your enemy scared of your military because your using your military being a bad thing is weird to me. By that logic, wouldnt they just not attack any worlds with droids since it would "rally more support othe republic"?
price could be a factor
I, personally, would love to see you cover the umbara ark.
This. Please cover Krell
Yes, I loved this arc.
Those Umbarans had some amazingly nasty gear.
Planned!
Lol i just commented that!
Orchestrating the Clone Wars was my side job.
No, that was Palpatines job
I thought you were the senate
Ratbat 1986 that’s part of the side job. My main job is working at KFC.
Yeah, I thought you ran that bar Loki and Voledemort go to constantly.
Mitchel Stuffers I’m offended I’m not that fat 😡 I can fit.
I always thought this was just a kids show, until my friend convinced me to watch it.
It's surprisingly so good and im loving how much it uses star wars lore to it's advantage! Just amazing
Datman King in the season 3 Arc when Ahsoka was Kidnapped and put into a Survival scenario, their was an Easter egg I had completely missed years prior.
In the final episode of that Arc when Ahsoka is facing off with the Trandoshan leader, I saw a Mandolorian helmet from the Era of the Old Republic.
It was such a cool Easter egg I had never seen before and led me to believe that Trandoshans sport hunting was something that’s been around for thousands of years, it’s great what you can notice in a show even this many years later. And I’m grateful it’s getting it’s proper conclusion this month.
@@Fi_Sci_ I remember noticing that too! Right behind the throne. I had to pause it and just theorise about how it could've ended up there. So many little details, I love the show so much
Lolt West what Star Wars Rebels lacked was the Amazing Animation, Even Season 1 and 2 of Clone wars had better art style and Animation.
But it’s all mostly due to the fact that unlike Clone Wars, George Lucas didn’t fund the animation, which is why it looks so off in comparison.
Datman King yeah and in the episode “Senate murders,” you can briefly see a holo image of a Phase 2 Clone trooper design but with the Fin still attached to the design.
I agree, The Little details are always amazing and when you think something from previous seasons will get forgotten, Characters sometimes mention past events, not only that but we see weapons such as The Defoliator Return in the Massacre of the Nightsisters.
I love Clone wars 😂
Lolt West what else would you say was lacking apart from the animation quality.
They couldn't have won the clone wars because palpatine was still manipulating everything
Dooku could have made him the first target. Not even a Sith could survive a point-blank explosion in the Senate building.
Sidious would still be the victor no matter which prevailed
@@neofulcrum5013 unless, you know, he was dead?
The Lonely Rogue easier said than done
@@neofulcrum5013 see above comment about space-wizards and bombs.
Well they did experiment with different droids. "The Cestus Deception" novel talks about this with Obi Wan and Kit Fisto trying to halt the building of these Jedi Killer droids that were pretty effective against Jedi, along with the combat droids used in the Battle of Jabiim. Also I do wonder if the Republic was unaware of other cloners like Arkanian Micro? Or did the Kaminoans have a contract with the Republic that had a clause that didn't allow for them to use the Fett template elsewhere, even though in Republic Commando its revealed they start using Spaartii Clones produced by Arkanian Micro or Palps did at least.
In legends they did use other clones as you said, but in canon we dont really know if there are other cloners anywhere.
I always saw it has there was essentially an original “order” for a certain number of clones. They mention in the movie how not all of them are ready so the Kaminoans are probably just focusing on the growth of the ones they already made. With the war looking like it will never end and the extremely high casualty rate for the clones the purchasing of more clones could be seen as a sort of plan for the future. With more clones being prepared the Republic then doesn’t have to worry as much about conserving troops. Also I’m pretty sure in that episode mentioned at the end they’re at a hospital and it’s said that the clones are in bacta tanks.
a) indeed those were hospitalised clones.
b) we actually SEE the baby clones in the movie which means they are still producing at that point.
c) i assumed "buy new clones" is the simple way of saying "continue the funding of the kaminoan cloning effords and get the next batch ready and equiped"
Hotaru For ur 3rd point there’s no need for assumptions, that’s exactly what it was
Not only was these droids dangerous, so was the engineer. He had guts using a small blaster pistol against heavily armed droids.
If the separatist droid army and leaders wasn’t shut down and killed by Lord Vader. The Jedi might side with the separatists and lead the droid army into battle against the imperial clone army of the newly established Galactic Empire.
Great idea
It always Seemed like the Clone wars was so close to concluding numerous times throughout the Series, but all it took was the destruction of a power grid to completely sabotage any chance of a peaceful resolution.
That’s probably the best thing about the Clone wars TV show was how much you wanted the War to end, to prevent deaths on both sides, but you already know that Palpatine was steps ahead and that neither side was ever going to be allowed to win.
Even Ezra Bridger from Star Wars Rebels had realized the point of the clone wars, and all from just a simulated battle, That the Only side that was allowed to win was the Empire.
Maybe do "How the Malevolence could have survived Anakin's fleet"
Simple, throw some sand on the hull.
@@robertnelson9599 lol
@@robertnelson9599 I meant like tactics. Like his usual videos
Simple, don’t have it sortie alone and instead have it covered by multiple providence class carriers / dreadnoughts. Also install additional anti-aircraft lasers near the Ion cannon to fend off the Y-wings.
@@josephn8325 True but they didn't really have that many providence class during the first year
Be sure to cover the Umbara arc! That and the Mandalore arcs are some of the best parts of this show.
A wide-scale attack like the one you mentioned would be exponentially more difficult and risky than the infiltration we see used in the show. They're much more likely to be discovered, and they might not have any way to report their discovery to the CIS, so they could be disabled. Ideally, you would never directly attack with your droid spies, because that will raise suspicions towards all droids. Instead, they should be used to gather information or subtly sabotage key systems during battles, giving a much more long-term benefit to the CIS. It would probably severely damage the reputation of whichever corporation designed them, though, which is probably why they weren't used like that.
"Ideally, you would never directly attack with your droid spies, because that will raise suspicions towards all droids"
I think you underestimate just how crippling paranoia of droids would be.
The CIS did have droid spies in Legends. And they did such a good job at it that they lasted until the end of the war without being discovered. Dying alongside the battle droids when Vader shut down the master control switch on Mustafar.
You could have droid spies, and then use their intel to orchestrate independent attacks, without putting your spy assets in harm's way.
@@ReddwarfIV which is exactly why that clone trooper let those cleaning droids past him, huh?
@@thelonelyrogue3727 Sure, the economy won't collapse just because you don't let cleaning droids into powerplants. But they don't have to be cleaning droids. They could be anything. That's the point.
#askeck
Why do the laat gunships have maned bubble turrets in the movies but in the shows the laat gunships have no bubble turrets
(Not including the second battle of genosios)
Possibly loss of performance (compared to LAAT without those turrets) compared to effectiveness was deemed unacceptable, which could be compounded by combat losses among turret operators. Another reason can be difference between production rate of those turrets compared to rest of gunship, so to prevent delays, LAATs were shipped without them
Kuba Król thanks but the last bit doesn’t make sense if the laat doesn’t come with bubble turrets, why do the door open differently on the ones without the turrets
Thanks for the answer though
(Sorry if that sounded rude)
Different models for different purposes. Some gunships that are meant to be used in space lack both bubble turrets and have doors that seal the bay. There are even some gunships that have spotlights mounted in place of bubble turrets.
Rhas 'Churol thank you I believe the light can be put on and off
the gun pods are mainly seen defending the gunships against light fighters, which the Geonosians used on a large scale against the republic forces. On other planets sealed doors were more of a priority for most planetary deployments.
Despite the high use of light fighters against gunships by the Umbarans, the spotlights were a higher priority for being able to see the landing zones and make sure the clones would have a safe deployment position on the ground.
The gunships also two of the same pods mounted to the wings, so four wasn't as necessary for most deplyoments.
The idea of buying more clones, at least as I see it, is that once the current order runs out, they will not get more clones. Ordering more clones will just continue the production of more clones on Kamino after the current order runs out.
Eckharts I interprepted 'buying' new clones as putting an order in for the growing of new ones to start.
Best droid ever, every time I speak about droids or clone wars I speak of them at a moment.
5:27 That shot was in S02E15 but it was a callback to S01E03, they are injured clones in bacta tanks. I don't think they know how to grow adult clones.
I also think that Palpatine meddled with the CIS tactics, so that they would only use this type of droid for one specific attack instead of multiple ones simultaneously as you suggest: by only attacking the generator, the war could continue, without any loss to the existing Republic army. This way, Palpatine can grow the Republic army even further until he'll form the Empire.
Loving all the clone wars content!
Two things: #1: special sensor suits & other detection equipment would’ve blown their cover; unfortunate that Palpatine was made aware of this plan, so he deliberately had Clone security deliberately muck up & such. #2: Anakin Skywalker already had dealt with a traitorous astromech that temporarily replaced R2 so…
They didn't use stuff like this because once they did it once, Palps told them to never do it again.
*force waves*
I’d like for you to go over the Citadel and how the planet was split in half and origins etc.
That outro gets me every time.
I've wondered about those destroyer droids in this episode as well, I've always assumed it was linked into why the main CIS droids were always so foolish... was it that Palpatine didn't want the CIS to win and therefore they never did anything to actually win the war. After all they have the capacity to destroy the republic if they really wanted to. In this episode they needed to hit hard at the Senate itself to trick the Senators into voting to continue the war but most of the time they didn't want to do any real damaged to the Republic and Palpatine wanted it for himself and his Imperial Navy!
Everybody gangsta, till the roomba's start blasting.
I highly recommend watching clone wars in chronological order, it’s so satisfying when you actually see the story continuously progress rather than it being several different stories throughout each season (until later seasons ofc)
Loved seeing the banking guild, wonder where Darth Plagueis was!
These droids are amazingly cool.
They probably got through because the republic didn’t notice.
Most likely after this attack the republic got more tight security around droids.
The only thing that allowed these demolition droids to work as intended was the plan surrounding them: arrangements to circumvent regular security inspections, familiarity with droid orders i.e the cleaning droids were expected to arrive and an attitude of relief was expressed when they were greeted implying that the previous droids were no longer in use for some reason.
A mass deployment would not have been able to circumvent every inspection or scan, and one identification in such a large deployment of a single model of droid would have doubled down inspections on all droid traffic especially said model.
At best they are a tactical weapon of opportunity- infiltrate, overwhelm, and self-destruct. They would need to be changed in appearing as different models of otherwise innocuous droid, and their mission tailored to exploit weaknesses or shortcomings in security procedures AND appear to be fitting into a role expected by the faction being infiltrated. And once the tactic was identified it would become harder to deploy and would need to be adapted in some way.
We need these in Battlefront 2 and have these fight the Empire.
#AskEck
How often were Vulture Droids used as ground units? How were they deployed?
Hey Eck, you won’t heart this. Reverse psychology doesn’t work on you.
it does not
Lol
Plz do battle and world breakdown of all mentioned in the Clone Wars.
This is creepy because today at work I was just thinking about how these droids should have been on the battlefield.
I think a key thing to remember is that palpatine controlled both the CIS and the republic, and if the CIS did such an attack it would go against his plans, as he needed the war to go on longer.
Who’s really hyped for Star Wars the Clone Wars season 7? I know I am!
*AskEck Could those Infiltrador Cleaner Droids if used properly be bigger then Execute Order 66*
When the clone wars were a giant shell game played by one player, to make him the emperor. There was Alot the CIA could do to win the war but were held back because of they're pawn status.
*Edit: CIS, not the cia. The cia couldn't tie its shoes much less run a war or assassinate a target right.
You sure about that last part? Mk Mocking bird, -North wood or -Ultra
@@RoboPutinPresidentinCE yeah I think he has them confused with Jedi filth
Can you cover the flame thrower droid in the pirate fighting f
Ring in lost droids season 4 or 5
The clones age much faster then normal humanoids, as well as clones them selves were being constantly pumped out.
Too many of these droids would have gone from pro-war to panic or even hopelessness. Meaning the republic would likely sue for peace. This is something Sidious wouldn't want. This war was meant to be lengthy to reduce jedi and push more power to the soon to be emperor.
Side note, playing the mod you featured and having a great time so far. Started laughing my but off on one planet (Forget which one) where all my Clone hover tanks suddenly started driving backwards for the whole mission then spinning around to fire before driving in reverse again. Hey its works lol
#AskEck why do medical droids not appear to have more soft material on their figures? When Koth rests on one at 4:17 (in the Saleucami battle breakdown video0, I can’t imagine resting up against a hard, metal robot would be very comfortable, especially after being tortured. Why were these fitted with some sort of padding, or even cloth at the more sensitive parts, like the arms, shoulders, maybe even the palms? I understand the fingers need to be dexterous and mechanically precise, but the arms? The shoulders? Never made any sense to me
Please PLEASE talk about the umbara arc. It's so cool to watch and has a hint of Vietnam in it
The clones he thought were being grown as adults were actually recovering from injuries
The Kaminoans know the biggest weakness of their product is that you have to order years in advance. So could the Kaminoans intentionally make 150% of each order and put the rest into stasis to sell later?
An unfortunate, yet still interesting ultimate plot device hanging over the Seperatist is that, if everything was orchestrated on both sides by Sidious, the CIS had to lose the war eventually. There could be any number of logistical reasons why more Demolition Droids were not built, a you can always argue, like you can with fighters like the TIE Defender, they are just far too expensive and sophisticated for more widespread production, though, cheaper sleeper agent droids seem like an obvious option. But even in that case, Sheev didn't start the Clone Wars to take over the Galaxy in the name of the CIS. He did it to justify political grabs for the Republic to become the Empire.
5:38 that was the medical station. Those clones were healing from wartime injury.
Type-47A(H2) scarab vs type-47B(H3,reach,odst) scarab vs Banished scarab vs Volatile scarab
A mass attack with these drones runs the risk of exposure. It takes time to move through the galaxy, time in which something could happen to one of the droids. An accident happens, routine maintenance check ups, someone notices it isn't as effective as it should be, or a malfunction happening. The longer it takes and the more you use, the higher the chance of discovery becomes.
@EckartsLadder. I understand the reason why you would have stormtroopers not be able to shoot straight, and a small freighter survive three star destroyers, it advances the story. But have you ever seen anyone properly portray the true power of a single star destroyer? much less a fleet of them?
None of us are first
I'm still stuck at the point where Ashoka is a whiny little kid...
Whiny? I think you mean snarky/arrogant. Power through, it's worth it in the end.
This bank deregulation was actually unsuccessful. In other episode we see Padme giving great speech that convinces senate that they cannot afford to deregulate banks because it would lower the living conditions of people in republic.
Didn’t the banks eventually got deregulated and under Palpatine control after the death of Clovis?
I still cannot fucking believe the clones that let them go without checking after the droids went the wrong way
Since the Clones were being aged at twice the regular rate in Episode II, couldn't they have had their age further accelerated? 10 years for the first batch, then once they have the process for that specific genetic code down, drastically decrease the aging to say, a few years?
Yhh its likely tho kaminoans were known for wanting quality in their creations and so an accelerated clone would be inferior compared to the original clones. Cos of this I'd argue that they made a set amount that were already paid for and given to the republic however they made countless more since they realised that more would be bought and so they would receive more profits. Plus it's also known that palpatine secretly used sparti clones which were fully grown clones that take 1 yr to create however they're rather inferior compared to kaminoan clones and would become unstable after several yrs.
@@TY-km8hj Who says accelerating their aging would decrease their quality? Yeah, they'd die sooner, but that assumes these Clones would live past their first few engagements. Maybe the training would have been inferior, due to the reduce time prior to reaching their "prime" age, but the Clones themselves should have been fine
@@liemsolow3697 That's what I mean. Due to having less training they would, in fact, be inferior soldiers. As a template they would be the same as any other clones same physical capability etc, though it's possible they would have mental difficulties like sparti clones but that's speculation since kaminoans clones r better than sparti, but as soldiers they would be drastically worse seeing as how they'd have say 1 yrs growth time then training would be done in memory flashes and maybe a couple acc training sessions before being sent into full on combat. Compare that to the 10 yr training that normal clones received and u have an inferior soldier.
Welcome back Eck, good to see your feeling better 😁
What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck
That was the very LAST model...created by instructions of the Palpatine itself...
A Battle Breakdown of the Battle of Mon Calamari that appears in the first three episodes of Season 4.
5:27 if I'm not mistaken, that is the medical station in the Malevolence arc, so obviously clones in bacta.
This is something that happens a lot in TCW. The CIS make something amazing and 9/10 it is never used again basically being a villain of the week.
#askeck any thoughts on legends of the galactic heroes die neue these?
#shipversus resurgent class battlecruiser vs mc85 star cruiser
#battebreakdown battle of Astarte
That bothered me with the malevolence ship in S1. It worked great it was grievous that got it destroyed and they never used any form of the EMP-esque technology ever again. And for some reason outside of electric grenades the republic never looks into it despite their enemy being an army of robots that would be susceptible to it
Please cover the Umbara Arc!
The issue is, the clone wars was entirely orchestrated to benefit one person: Palpatine. It doesn't matter who wins Palpatine will always prevail. Unless Palpatine, Dooku, and probably Grievous and the war profiteers all miraculously die the ideals of the Separatist movement will never win. The whole point of the war is no one is meant to win until Palpatine is ready for it to end. It's a tragedy.
TALK ABOUT MY BOI ADMIRAL TRENCH!!!
#AskEck What measures did the CIS have in place to prevent their droid armies from violently rebelling against their organic masters in a bloody, SkyNet- or Men-of-Iron-style robot uprising?
Cover the atack on the citadel
I always loved how the CIS was always pulling out cool new toys (new masterfully crafted war machines) and the Republic was like yes, they have ships and vehicles that can easily take out ours, lets use them some more. (Meaning their normal ships and tanks).
The Demolition Droids were probably seen as too overpowered by the writers so they didn't bring them back. At least, that's what I assume. They probably could've just as easily had a couple of commando droids disguised as some kind of security or smuggle themselves down to the generators in a crate marked as spare parts.
I dunno.
I know I've already asked this but in case you didn't see it...
Why didn't anyone put tractor beams on the surface of planets to pull down attacking ships so they crash? In a way where the ship doesn't hit the tractor beams or base that's being defended
In Star Wars leaders will say to set weapons for stun like Vader on the Tantive iv. Are Star Wars blasters any less accurate or powerful was set to stun? If not why not always have blasters set to stun in order to capture prisoners to interrogate? #askeck
TheWingland Range is terrible on stun blaster bolts, as seen in the Ashoka chase scene in season 6. As well as, in general it doesn’t go through armor unless at extremely close ranges.
I absolutely love the CIS. My favourite faction of all and it’s sad that they were designed to fail and were used as a pawn for palpatine.
#AskEck May I ask a question do you think this may :maybe this is how new canon work The Empire continues for a year til the battle of Jakku were sprinted into sub factions some of them form the Imperial remanent others became warlords and other became the first order
Bad batch plz. They are going to appear in season 7, and some background knowledge on them would be great
#askeck I have a question, what is the Difference between Hypermatter and Hyperfuel in star wars?
As for buying the new clones, maybe the Kaminoans made extras that are in stasis?
Either way, those demolition droids were quite merciless. Definitely puts the standard battle droid to shame.
Could you do something about the umbara arc? I know there isnt much in the way of strategic battles but it feels like such an important and heavy arc to go to waste
Should've said: "I love to see how the senate doesn't work!"
I don't think they can be grown as adults as they would have a severely young mental age as an adult unless there was a way to program skills into them like their loyalty to the republic but even then we see the clone kids go through training and stuff so why would they train them if they can be programmed
I’m pretty sure the clones at the medical station were said to be clones so damaged in battle they had to reside in the bacta-tanks
In the series the chancellor has one fight the brothers as you see after the younger brother dies the older brother was holding back do you think if he had used the dark saber along with his light saber from the beginning they would have won?
Why wouldn't the separatists build more ships with some sort of super weapon like the malevolence. Idk fully if it was that massive due to the ion cannon but I feel like they could've easily reused the technology or develop new tech to be used
Palpatine didn't want the republic army destroyed that quickly, that's why. He wanted both sides to wear each other down
The ship from the animated clone wars series with the ability to literally goomba stomp a battlefield- that was a OP ship haha. I firmly believe only mace could take a think like that down xD. And Anakin and maybe obi wan. Obviously yoda would probably yank it out the sky. But anyone else? Goomba stomped.
Droidekas, assassin droids, demolition droids, hell, even a surplus of B2's might have proved enough to defeat the GAR. The problem is, all these droids are very expensive to manufacture, and the Confederacy only has so much money. That's why B1's compromise the bulk of the Droid Army- yeah, they're not very dangerous alone, but they're cheap and easy to pump out on an assembly line and they can overwhelm even clones or Jedi in large numbers (remember that the GAR only numbered a couple hundred thousand at the start of the Clone Wars versus millions of battle droids). Of course, all of this is irrelevant anyway, since Sidious and Dooku never intended for the CIS to win the war.
Without the sith hijacking the separatist, chances are they would have won the war in my opinion
I am pretty sure the Separatist parliament won't approve with war crime like tactics.
They didn’t do that because a plot armor if they did that they did that the Republic Will lose and there be no empire
That, and Palpatine was pulling the strings
Delasee you are right about that
For me this plan fails to feel like a proper Star Wars threat. One of Star Wars' core setting assumptions is a lack of universality in their tools and technology. Astromechs are as big as they are mainly because they carry around a crap-ton of adapters to interact with things, because nobody made USB ports in the Star Wars universe. Having droid transformers that can go from street-sweeper to commando to bomb-bot flies in the face of a setting that necessitates having gonk droids, mouse droids, and so forth.
So it's not that these droids are a bad idea, but they're such an OP idea that they imply the entire setting should look and feel differently. So we as an audience essentially have to ignore them.
Your scarring me Eck, I just watched this episode yesterday cuz I'm rewatching it too :D and you keep the videos coming just after I watch the episodes.
#askeck
Why do the laat gunships have maned bubble turrets in the movies but in the shows the laat gunships have no bubble turrets
(Not including the second battle of genosios)
#Ask Eck. Since the Venator wasn't very effective even from the start of the Clone Wars why do you think the ship didn't receive a refit or an alternative Design?
If you want a modifiable ship design for the next thirty years, you might want to get a good basic design, otherwise the ship's flaws can become a much bigger problem in the long term
@@victorbruant389 Personally I don't think the Venator isn't a ship that cant excel in ship to ship warfare. ultimately it suffers from issues that plague virtually every model of star destroyer with some rare exceptions. for example The primary turbo lasers are placed in a row rather than staggered that doesn't maximize their effectiveness, the bridge is overly tall and prominent and I also don't see the point in having two bridge's other than to confuse your enemy.
Even with all those flaws the Venator still has a few good aspects going for it. Its Dorsal hangar allows for the extremely rapid deployment of large numbers of Star Fighters (Something rare for Star Destroyers in general). Also with (in my opinion): a size increase to 2x the original size and length, plus some better turbolaser placement, plus larger numbers of weapons and a dedicated Point defense system the ship can compete against a vast majority of the CIS Navy. Later in the war when they started putting Heavy Republic Ground Artillery on the Venator's as a secondary special weapon they began to hold their ground more effectively than before.
While I agree that to get a good design you need a good base. The Venator has an okay starting point and actually possesses a strength most Star Destroyers fail to take advantage of especially later during the Galactic Civil War Era. That advantage is fighters and it was the Republic Fighters that mostly allowed Venators to win battles rather than become a joke for the CIS Navy. I think with some size improvement and some slight changes to its design and arsenal the Venator could've become a beautiful All around cruiser...
But that's just my thoughts and maybe your right and the Venator was just setup for failure in its role to start. That's the beauty of being able to discuss this stuff you never know when someone will bring up a point that you never noticed so at least thanks for noticing my comment. :)
@@thenightman7879 if you scale it up much larger and add tons of weapons your not going to have very many of them. Plus adding all of those weapons is going to reduce the carrying capacity for a given cost. It would be better to have a dedicated carrier, then design another versatile ship, rather than just having a ship designed like a dedicated carrier (with vulnerabilities associated with its high fighter complement and devoting so much of its room to carrying capacity) operating as your frontline ship. Now I'm not saying that you need to have no carrying capacity on your main ship, but the venator uses more room for fighter carrying than weaponry and it has a weakness in the dorsal hangar because of it.
I actually think the Imp 1 was more practical than the venator, with good point defenses, powerful anti-capital ship weapons, and a healthy fighter complement. The problem with it was that the fighters were downgraded, not the ship itself.
@@lenkagamine4145 I definitely agree with you on your point regarding the dorsal hangar I also mentioned it in a comment on Eck's previous video on the battle of Saleucami that the dorsal hangar was as much a weakness as it was a strength for the ship and that the republic should've just designed something else for a mainline ship role. if it were me I would want something that has a lot more direct fire power maybe a Battleship or Battlecruiser of some kind. that way it can slot into Republic fleets better. To put it simply the Venators can stay behind the other ship and provide more effective fighter support while the frontline ship takes and deals the damage. Honestly I've always found it irritating that the Republic went for the entire clone wars without even a single petition for a more effective mainline cruiser or battlecruiser instead wasting lives and credits by putting Venators in a role they were horribly suited for.
Also the point about the ISD 1 is so true I had been thinking about it a lot recently. I believe that the ISD II is a huge compounding of all the mistakes the ISD 1 had. Instead of fitting more weapons on to deal with fighters (Or getting actual higher quality fighters...) they instead replaced the ISD's already meager amount of laser cannons with Ion Cannons and placed even more turbolaser's on a ship that already outmatched anything within or below its size. in addition to those mistakes they failed to address the structural problems it had like its exposed bridge. If you ask me the ISD II is almost an absolute failure in sensible design. while it improved greatly in a role it was already exceptional in- it came at the cost of even more easily exploitable vulnerabilities.
Regarding the downgrading of fighters I think had Thrawn's TIE Defender gone into mass production it may have solved that problem for the empire all together. The defender was an excellent multirole Starfighter and I think personally its actually better than an X wing in many areas. Anyways thank you for your input and I'm sorry my Comments are so long I'm glad to see there's someone out there that was thinking about the ISD 1 just like I was. :)
Oh my God star wars 9/11 was an inside job
5:41 they already said that they were wounded clones in Bacta tanks
#askeck speaking of the clone wars dropships/gunships why do the LAAT gunships not have the ball turrets in the clone wars like we see in attack of the clones?
Different models for different purposes. For example, those turrets aren't air-tight, so they can't be used in space.
I will really want you to cover battle od Ringo Vinda,
4:12 I don't think those droids would fit into Sheev.
LOL