One more identity crisis short (everyone here has kinda deemed it a bit of a cult classic) but it’s time to end my shorts on it on Sunday! Recommend your favorite Batman or Flash Stories below!!
I have a question left about Identity Crisis: Was Batman's paranoia from the mind wipe of the Justice League the reason that he didn't wanted to listen to Booster Gold about the Death of the Blue Beetle Ted Kord?
For those of you who are curious about the Dr. Light situation here’s what happened: In the Watch Tower Dr. Light sexual assaulted Sue Dibny, wife of Elonged Man. Now usually they would just take him to jail but one of their own was just sexually assaulted so this was serious matter. They decided to take matters into their own hands. After they subdued Dr Light, Batman stepped out to make a report. While Batman was away members of the Justice League voted to have Dr Light lobotomized. The vote came down to a tie and only Barry could break that tie. Barry had just lost Iris so he said yes to have Dr Light lobotomized. Zatanna was in the process of mind wiping him when Batman walked in and witnessed it. Batman would never allow this to happen because it’s against his morals so he tried to stop them. In the end they had to subdue and mind wipe Batman too making him forget what they did to Dr Light. Wally West later found out about this and was in disbelief that Barry could allow such a thing to happen. He was also shocked about what they did to Batman.
Damn. What Barry did was messed up, but with what he was going through, he clearly wasn't in the best state of mind to be making such a decision like that. Granted, the decision shouldn't have been made at all, but now it really makes Barry look like he was just dealing with a lot of things all happening at once and just wanted to get away from it all.
Okay i can see why they did what they did to batman it was only ten minutes and seriously this dumbass who lets the joker live who does worse wont stand for a lobotomy yeah he deserves the memory loss
@@dudebladeX Doubtfull...for me Batman isn't right person to ever Ask about this ,and if anything..some villains cant redeem themself. What Batman cant understand,sometimes you're need to be ruthless
They also decided to lobotomize him because he r'd sue dibny in the watchtower and learned everyones identities threatening to do the same thing to everyone elses wibes while also mockingly adressing them all by their government names
@@dawidzygmunt5688No because the heroes are supposed to be BETTER than the villains. Straight up lobotomizing someone is stooping to their level and showing that they are no better than the villains they fight
This is why I like the flash, Every hero makes mistakes or things they are not proud of, even Batman and superman. But flashes are in most cases the first(on the side that over stepped) to realise just how messed up what they did was. For example Barry in this losing sleep, and also Barry in injustice. Or wally in heroes in crisis(the aftermath of it with him willingly trying to stay in jail for his sentence)
Yh but I do not like this thing dc has going on of trying to prop up wally by making barry look bad, first it was making wally the fastest and having wally flex on barry that he was simply better than him(which isn't very characteristic of original wally) then claiming wally has a better connection to the SF than barry who not only created it but is a genius who's pretty smart in the realm of quantum physics and has been using the SF his entire life as well as a couple other instances like the one in this video, when wally was emotionally unstable and ended up killing all his teammates they didn't write barry coming to save the day but I bet if it was barry that did it, wally would be right on time to magically fix everything, they can both be great with lowering the other
@@ridgefrostthe speed force is one of the fundamental components of reality that Barry gained access to it, saying he "created" it is like saying Newton "created" gravity Edit: feel free to dislike, I forgot that was only post new 52, I am dumb
That's why he's willing to be the "bad guy" among them. Superman came to accept that someone needs to be, which is why he didn't vote him off the team.
It's why Batman is necessary. He can be the villain if the good guys decide their interests are more important than their convictions or that their power gives them the right More people need to understand why he's necessary, and why he's described as "The DARK Knight".
@@hawkticus_history_corner I wonder about the morality of changing someones personality even consensually using these methods. If you change someone enough, there has to be a point where they become a different person. If you do this are you not killing them, in some sense of the word, in order to create this new person?
@@UntoTheDepths It's doesn't take too many changes to fundamentally change the person they were into someone wholly knew. And yes, you are just killing them at that point, but in a far more messed up way. And it's not like you changed their soul or anything, so that's still a thing too
@@hawkticus_history_cornerbut what happens when their original consciousness starts coming back and clashes with their new personality cause they didn't willingly change but were forced. In the comics we see everyone going insane and mentally broken. Dr Light went from a thief to assaulting women he encountered , this Video explains what happens to Dillion, superman lost faith in the League Batman cut funding and they don't even know what happened to the others who seemingly vanished.
For anyone wondering how Barry Allen's parents could be alive in the present day while Barry is already the Flash, Identity Crisis was written years before the concept of the Reverse Flash killing Barry's mom and framing his dad was introduced in Flash Rebirth.
Yeah, Barry's parents being dead is literally an in-universe retcon. Reverse-Flash literally killed Barry's parents in the past, as part of a long-term plan to cause his own resurrection and Barry's return, to ensure that Mirror Master' special mirror would be broken, affecting Barry's mental state. Then Eobard finally goes back to murder Barry's parents from his perspective, but by now Barry is depressed enough to try and stop him. Which causes Flashpoint, just as the Reverse-Flash planned. Which is ultimately Reverse-Flash's chance to finally torment and kill Barry Allen, because Flashpoint is the only reality in which Eobard Thawne can kill Barry Allen and still exist.
They did not have to do this to dr. light I’m talking about the writers. They made him a rapist then give him a lobotomy and then several other lobotomies. I thought Spider-Man had it bad.
Man Barry never gets a break he always somewhere in the multiverse or is trapped in time that he has to correct that conflict of that timeline to save those he loves
Didn't they do this to Catwoman too? Only then it was essentially because they just didn't like her attitude and decided to alter her mind to be more to their personal liking?
…..You know Batman having contingency plans doesn’t sound so bad when you realize the League Is willing to magician modify people cerebral cortex on a whim
@@painvillegaming4119except this corporal choice was done on a democracy. That alone isn't good enough, but the people behind this choice are people who have experience seeing the kind of criminals these super powered villains are. As much as I trust the DC judges and courts, sometimes you have to realize your villain of the week has crossed a line they won't even pay.
@@blueotter5954 There is no justification for them doing it to Catwoman tho. She isn't a super powered being or anything like that. She's just a low level thief with a different opinion. And they lobotomized her because they didn't like her opinion. IDC what anyone says. The Justice League aren't heros anymore. They're monsters.
@@Hawaiian_Viking I agree. Has anyone gotten an interview with the writes of this story line? That being said, Dr Light and criminals like Zsasz would have been enough of moral question of what can our heroes do or not do. They have the power to better the world, they know how bad their villains can get, lines have been crossed, so how do they use this power?
I feel bad for barry. He's a hero just tries his best to do what's right, and i feel as though the flash tv show showed this side of Barry the most, and it made me fall in love with how pure flash is even after all tbe loss bes been through
The martian feels everyones pain, and it hurts him most when people are self-destructive. His mind reading also lets him feel emotions. He may, or may not agree, depending on the version, but I totally see him going along with the plan.
Have fun because now the real world starts and fun,time and money all starts to go byby now and bunch of bullshit starts and doesn’t end till death welcome to adulthood
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Always telling what kinda cape you're dealing with when their own is hurt. If that's when they start pulling out the big guns, then they're really no hero at all.
Personally the core of identity crisis is just so weird and incomprehensible looking back at it. But the stories around it seem better and more carefully concerned with what makes a hero and what it means (also trust)
I wonder why so many artists give the characters derpy expressions like that image of Zatana. I'ts not like taking a photo, you have complete control of how the character looks in every given panel. Is it just time constraints?
The funny thing is that you see a lot of Silver Age storylines with similar "Just wipe his mind/change his memories/use the de-evilnator device to make villains good" plots. This was considered morally acceptable at the time, lol. It's literally "Silver Age solutions to Modern Age problems" The Comic Book. Except morality marches on, so what was perfectly acceptable in Silver Comic Books, looks absolutely messed up nowadays lol
No argument here. I just want to thank you for giving me accurate comic book lore, because these days you can't expect TV shows to be 100% with its source material. Keep going, you're doing great!
The way the superheroes just decide to charge people’s personalities… and suddenly Amenda Waller doesn’t seem like the evil guy. ‘Oh? He steals memories? He’s evil! I’ll destroy his personality because I’m good!’ The worst part in all of those is that they don’t get punished. If a villain does something like that he’s thrown in jail, a hero? A slap on the wrist.
That's why not long after this, the Supervillains literally built an army of bad guys. All the Society had to do was say "The Justice League is going to mindwipe you" and everyone signed up. Everyone. Well, minus the Secret Six.
That’s because villains do it to innocent people and heroes do it to villains lol.I want to question whether or not you think that a life of a serial killer or rapist or trafficker is worth as much as a normal completely innocent person
@@AsadKhan-ic9qi No, I also think the joker should have been killed. The question is who does it. When someone who got power beyond what an ordinary man has and has no problem using it to force his will, that’s terrifying. It doesn’t matter if it’s the flash, Superman or the seven from the boys. There is a reason why most of the world is in favor of democratic elections. Why when police officers shoot someone it’s always followed by investigation. When a man like the flash, who can rewrite reality, gets away with things like that? Are you really unable to see the problem?
No let's not try to redeem Amanda Waller comparatively, there are several times she'd have committed genocide for her own interests. Beast World recently.
@@AsadKhan-ic9qi I think the problem is that this kind of methodology is just wrong. You are your memories. If people start wiping memories, is it murder? Plus, its very dodgy methodology
What comic issue should I start on to be able to know what's going on? Would it be best if I started reading with the issue where Identity Crisis starts at or do I start reading several issues before that to get some important background info vital for the storyline? Almost like a prologue of sorts for the story.
@@painvillegaming4119the same government that employs Waller and made the suicide squad 🤦 Please the government and jail in DC is worthless heroes should have just relied on the phantom zone from the beginning and the only sad part about the mental reconstruction is how fragile it is frankly if they could perfect it the world would be a better place.
Sometimes imprisonment (or execution in some cases) is better than what Zatanna did, because when they get their memory back, including the event that took away their memory, well you saw what happened when Dr.Light and The Top snapped, and the results…were not pleasant.
@@sawtooth808 the problem with all these discussions is we are coming from a framework where there are no superheroes. There have been comic books in the past that have tried to address what it's like to be a normal in a world where there are superheroes and Gods and Monsters. I can only imagine what it would feel like their eyes.
And this id why tampering with mind is NEVER A GOOD IDEA. Ironically this "secret league" does much more harm with NOT killing these villians. Although yes, it's not a good idea on itself, and Batman would be against it, however I feel it is justified to kill the villain, if they can't be redeemed. Everyone can be redeemed, yes, but the question is how many people must die until redemption can be achieved with any villian. Perhaps some of those villains deserve death, but this secret league became too sure of themselves, thinking it's their job to forcefully redeem villians, or straight up mutilate them telepathically, because "nO oNe WoUlD nOtIcE"
Except The league isn’t the law Who lives who dies isn’t up to them To quote the man of steel himself you can’t simply throw morality in the garbage Edit: tho I agree big time they mess the hell up with there mind wiping shenanigans
@@painvillegaming4119 I was really simplifying it in my comment, but you're right. It's actually not that hard to sentence hard some of the villains, since they have committed first-degree murders, which at the very least in America is a guaranteed life sentence.
I really want this game to be good, specially on PC, but the lack of PC requirements and a demo are worrying. We're so close to release date and still nobody knows the requirements.
Wally having to deal with a guy who sees himself as half-Hero, half-Villain that doesn't know what the hell he should do, that's a goddamn problem. Barry trying to help and only making an even bigger mess that Wally has to unfortunately deal with. Barry at least tried.
To explain why the Justice League mind wiped Batman, it's because they made the decision to alter Light as Batman was away preparing to take him in. But he walked in on them in the middle of it. The Justice League crossed a line even Batman wouldn't cross, out of vengeance instead of necessity, then mind wiped their own teammate for sticking with his morals. Dr. Light was a bad dude and he left his mark even on Batman, but at the end of the day Batman deals with these darker more realistic crimes daily and he would never violate someone so deeply even after committing that. The heroes crossed a line they never haf for the people they were protecting, only when one of their own is affected. Someone who is usually their moral compass and kindest guy, Barry, crossed it too. When confronted by another good guy for sticking with morality, a guy with experience in Dr. Light's crimes and with actual redemption of villains, they violated his mind as well. So where does the line stop if you choose to overstep your bounds and circumvent all your checks and balances?
I think the Geoff John run of Flash expanded the Rogue's skills and abilities, including the Top. I didn't read too much of the older stuff, but I assume he was a basic villain before this.
Yeah, in comics and most media, Wally is Iris' nephew. Arrowverse Wally is pretty much a composite character of Wallace West, Daniel West and OG Wally.
@@MichiMichi34 he lost faith in JLA, stopped t give funds to the league and if i am not mistaken, he also make superman and wonder woman quit with him the justice league
While I agree most of the storyline goes this to heroes unnecessarily - imo Green Arrow and Zatanna would not do this - Barry here isn't really a villain, he just made a mistake which preluded more unethical acts.
They weren't villains though frankly what they did is far smarter then sending criminals to jail especially as it prevents their identities from leaking out which was the initial intent of the mind wipe. Frankly the only issue with the mind wipe is that it isn't permanent if it was they could stop so many villains permanently while ensuring that they're technology and abilities are used to benefit society.
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One more identity crisis short (everyone here has kinda deemed it a bit of a cult classic) but it’s time to end my shorts on it on Sunday! Recommend your favorite Batman or Flash Stories below!!
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I have a question left about Identity Crisis:
Was Batman's paranoia from the mind wipe of the Justice League the reason that he didn't wanted to listen to Booster Gold about the Death of the Blue Beetle Ted Kord?
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@@zockerjhd9393I think that happened before the mind wipe, someone correct me if I’m wrong tho
@@zockerjhd9393 I got you tomorrow!
Damn, poor Barry just wanted to help him, poor Top's mind was broken and poor Wally had to clean up someone else's mistakes.
Say poor one more time for the memes
@@Enxivity2528 poor
Poor :
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Broke! 😏
For those of you who are curious about the Dr. Light situation here’s what happened:
In the Watch Tower Dr. Light sexual assaulted Sue Dibny, wife of Elonged Man. Now usually they would just take him to jail but one of their own was just sexually assaulted so this was serious matter. They decided to take matters into their own hands.
After they subdued Dr Light, Batman stepped out to make a report. While Batman was away members of the Justice League voted to have Dr Light lobotomized. The vote came down to a tie and only Barry could break that tie. Barry had just lost Iris so he said yes to have Dr Light lobotomized.
Zatanna was in the process of mind wiping him when Batman walked in and witnessed it. Batman would never allow this to happen because it’s against his morals so he tried to stop them. In the end they had to subdue and mind wipe Batman too making him forget what they did to Dr Light. Wally West later found out about this and was in disbelief that Barry could allow such a thing to happen. He was also shocked about what they did to Batman.
Damn. What Barry did was messed up, but with what he was going through, he clearly wasn't in the best state of mind to be making such a decision like that. Granted, the decision shouldn't have been made at all, but now it really makes Barry look like he was just dealing with a lot of things all happening at once and just wanted to get away from it all.
Okay i can see why they did what they did to batman it was only ten minutes and seriously this dumbass who lets the joker live who does worse wont stand for a lobotomy yeah he deserves the memory loss
@@dudebladeX Doubtfull...for me Batman isn't right person to ever Ask about this ,and if anything..some villains cant redeem themself. What Batman cant understand,sometimes you're need to be ruthless
They also decided to lobotomize him because he r'd sue dibny in the watchtower and learned everyones identities threatening to do the same thing to everyone elses wibes while also mockingly adressing them all by their government names
@@dawidzygmunt5688No because the heroes are supposed to be BETTER than the villains. Straight up lobotomizing someone is stooping to their level and showing that they are no better than the villains they fight
This is why I like the flash,
Every hero makes mistakes or things they are not proud of, even Batman and superman. But flashes are in most cases the first(on the side that over stepped) to realise just how messed up what they did was. For example Barry in this losing sleep, and also Barry in injustice. Or wally in heroes in crisis(the aftermath of it with him willingly trying to stay in jail for his sentence)
It happened, and oh boy the milking has begun 💀😭
Yh but I do not like this thing dc has going on of trying to prop up wally by making barry look bad, first it was making wally the fastest and having wally flex on barry that he was simply better than him(which isn't very characteristic of original wally) then claiming wally has a better connection to the SF than barry who not only created it but is a genius who's pretty smart in the realm of quantum physics and has been using the SF his entire life as well as a couple other instances like the one in this video, when wally was emotionally unstable and ended up killing all his teammates they didn't write barry coming to save the day but I bet if it was barry that did it, wally would be right on time to magically fix everything, they can both be great with lowering the other
@@ridgefrostthe speed force is one of the fundamental components of reality that Barry gained access to it, saying he "created" it is like saying Newton "created" gravity
Edit: feel free to dislike, I forgot that was only post new 52, I am dumb
@@wildmoose3979For a brief period of time Barry was the creator of the speedforce, though it was later retconned by the New 52 and later publications.
@@Captain-J-Amadaeus oh I see, my fault I forget how much new 52 really changed things with the canon
“It was me Bar…. Oh no wait that was you…. Damn Barry”
"I did NOTHING, so you would feel guilty for doing the wrong thing yourself, Barry!"
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 damn…. He would say that😂😂😂
"And I'm the vilain?"
“Thawne remember your first girlfrie- OH WAIT YOU DONT! I STOLE YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOU NEVER KNEW IT WAS MEEEE THAWNE!”
I kinda get why Batman has his anti-League plans if your own teammates are willing to cut up your brain to save face.
That's why he's willing to be the "bad guy" among them. Superman came to accept that someone needs to be, which is why he didn't vote him off the team.
It's why Batman is necessary. He can be the villain if the good guys decide their interests are more important than their convictions or that their power gives them the right
More people need to understand why he's necessary, and why he's described as "The DARK Knight".
And this perfectly illustrates why this method of helping society was not more widespread
Yknow, on top of the moral issues of rewriting someones personality forcibly.
@@hawkticus_history_corner I wonder about the morality of changing someones personality even consensually using these methods. If you change someone enough, there has to be a point where they become a different person.
If you do this are you not killing them, in some sense of the word, in order to create this new person?
@@UntoTheDepths It's doesn't take too many changes to fundamentally change the person they were into someone wholly knew.
And yes, you are just killing them at that point, but in a far more messed up way. And it's not like you changed their soul or anything, so that's still a thing too
@@hawkticus_history_cornerbut what happens when their original consciousness starts coming back and clashes with their new personality cause they didn't willingly change but were forced. In the comics we see everyone going insane and mentally broken. Dr Light went from a thief to assaulting women he encountered , this Video explains what happens to Dillion, superman lost faith in the League Batman cut funding and they don't even know what happened to the others who seemingly vanished.
Not really. A big part of this story was that they did this a lot, and would have continued doing it if the events of the story hadn't happened.
For anyone wondering how Barry Allen's parents could be alive in the present day while Barry is already the Flash, Identity Crisis was written years before the concept of the Reverse Flash killing Barry's mom and framing his dad was introduced in Flash Rebirth.
I thought it was just Barry’s father in this
Yeah, Barry's parents being dead is literally an in-universe retcon. Reverse-Flash literally killed Barry's parents in the past, as part of a long-term plan to cause his own resurrection and Barry's return, to ensure that Mirror Master' special mirror would be broken, affecting Barry's mental state.
Then Eobard finally goes back to murder Barry's parents from his perspective, but by now Barry is depressed enough to try and stop him. Which causes Flashpoint, just as the Reverse-Flash planned.
Which is ultimately Reverse-Flash's chance to finally torment and kill Barry Allen, because Flashpoint is the only reality in which Eobard Thawne can kill Barry Allen and still exist.
Didn't Barry also have a secret regarding Turtle Man? The slowest man alive?
I need to know the secret
@@thathorneyhorse1586 me too!
They did not have to do this to dr. light I’m talking about the writers. They made him a rapist then give him a lobotomy and then several other lobotomies. I thought Spider-Man had it bad.
That’s because he does have it bad
I feel bad for the scarlet speedster
Man Barry never gets a break he always somewhere in the multiverse or is trapped in time that he has to correct that conflict of that timeline to save those he loves
Didn't they do this to Catwoman too? Only then it was essentially because they just didn't like her attitude and decided to alter her mind to be more to their personal liking?
…..You know Batman having contingency plans doesn’t sound so bad when you realize the League Is willing to magician modify people cerebral cortex on a whim
@@painvillegaming4119except this corporal choice was done on a democracy. That alone isn't good enough, but the people behind this choice are people who have experience seeing the kind of criminals these super powered villains are.
As much as I trust the DC judges and courts, sometimes you have to realize your villain of the week has crossed a line they won't even pay.
@@blueotter5954They should do that to Joker, Profesor Pyg and Zsaz
@@blueotter5954 There is no justification for them doing it to Catwoman tho. She isn't a super powered being or anything like that. She's just a low level thief with a different opinion. And they lobotomized her because they didn't like her opinion. IDC what anyone says. The Justice League aren't heros anymore. They're monsters.
@@Hawaiian_Viking I agree. Has anyone gotten an interview with the writes of this story line?
That being said, Dr Light and criminals like Zsasz would have been enough of moral question of what can our heroes do or not do. They have the power to better the world, they know how bad their villains can get, lines have been crossed, so how do they use this power?
I feel bad for barry. He's a hero just tries his best to do what's right, and i feel as though the flash tv show showed this side of Barry the most, and it made me fall in love with how pure flash is even after all tbe loss bes been through
Martian Manhunter allowed this?
I get Zatanna but Martian Manhunter?
He's an addict so they could have just bribed him with Oreos?
@@Brandilio 😂
The martian feels everyones pain, and it hurts him most when people are self-destructive. His mind reading also lets him feel emotions. He may, or may not agree, depending on the version, but I totally see him going along with the plan.
@@Brandiliodamn
He wasn't there when they did it, it was the satellite era version of the league and J'onn wasn't always present then
Poor Wally having to deal with this
My god.... WHY NEW DC CAN BE THIS COOL?!!! (btw I graduated school tonight)
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great work man! first day of the rest of your life. proud of you.
Have fun because now the real world starts and fun,time and money all starts to go byby now and bunch of bullshit starts and doesn’t end till death welcome to adulthood
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Barry is to pure hearted for some in these villians
Look guys the heroes you look up to aren't heroes at all! I did good right? right guys? right?
Always telling what kinda cape you're dealing with when their own is hurt. If that's when they start pulling out the big guns, then they're really no hero at all.
Personally the core of identity crisis is just so weird and incomprehensible looking back at it. But the stories around it seem better and more carefully concerned with what makes a hero and what it means (also trust)
I wonder why so many artists give the characters derpy expressions like that image of Zatana. I'ts not like taking a photo, you have complete control of how the character looks in every given panel. Is it just time constraints?
The funny thing is that you see a lot of Silver Age storylines with similar "Just wipe his mind/change his memories/use the de-evilnator device to make villains good" plots. This was considered morally acceptable at the time, lol.
It's literally "Silver Age solutions to Modern Age problems" The Comic Book. Except morality marches on, so what was perfectly acceptable in Silver Comic Books, looks absolutely messed up nowadays lol
I'm curious to know if they still do this to other villains because that would be messed up
They did it to Catwoman as well.
@@starhammer5247Batman”…..You know this is why I have contingency plans “
@@painvillegaming4119 Yup, there's a reason people don't blame him after learning about this.
@@painvillegaming4119 Also Bat Man “…And even those contingency plans have contingency plans.”
Wally West listening : 😨😬😶
No argument here. I just want to thank you for giving me accurate comic book lore, because these days you can't expect TV shows to be 100% with its source material. Keep going, you're doing great!
Okay I've seen a random RUclipsr make a skit about this but it never went into detail what exactly happened
The way the superheroes just decide to charge people’s personalities… and suddenly Amenda Waller doesn’t seem like the evil guy. ‘Oh? He steals memories? He’s evil! I’ll destroy his personality because I’m good!’
The worst part in all of those is that they don’t get punished. If a villain does something like that he’s thrown in jail, a hero? A slap on the wrist.
That's why not long after this, the Supervillains literally built an army of bad guys. All the Society had to do was say "The Justice League is going to mindwipe you" and everyone signed up. Everyone. Well, minus the Secret Six.
That’s because villains do it to innocent people and heroes do it to villains lol.I want to question whether or not you think that a life of a serial killer or rapist or trafficker is worth as much as a normal completely innocent person
@@AsadKhan-ic9qi No, I also think the joker should have been killed. The question is who does it. When someone who got power beyond what an ordinary man has and has no problem using it to force his will, that’s terrifying. It doesn’t matter if it’s the flash, Superman or the seven from the boys. There is a reason why most of the world is in favor of democratic elections. Why when police officers shoot someone it’s always followed by investigation. When a man like the flash, who can rewrite reality, gets away with things like that? Are you really unable to see the problem?
No let's not try to redeem Amanda Waller comparatively, there are several times she'd have committed genocide for her own interests. Beast World recently.
@@AsadKhan-ic9qi I think the problem is that this kind of methodology is just wrong. You are your memories. If people start wiping memories, is it murder? Plus, its very dodgy methodology
i feel bad for him honeslty
What comic issue should I start on to be able to know what's going on? Would it be best if I started reading with the issue where Identity Crisis starts at or do I start reading several issues before that to get some important background info vital for the storyline? Almost like a prologue of sorts for the story.
Why the fuck not as opposed to what, permanently imprisoning them in Arkham or a space prison or the Phantom zone?
Well it not up to them …the governement decide
Also the phantom zone is hell
@@painvillegaming4119 they ALREADY act extra judicially.
@@painvillegaming4119the same government that employs Waller and made the suicide squad 🤦
Please the government and jail in DC is worthless heroes should have just relied on the phantom zone from the beginning and the only sad part about the mental reconstruction is how fragile it is frankly if they could perfect it the world would be a better place.
Sometimes imprisonment (or execution in some cases) is better than what Zatanna did, because when they get their memory back, including the event that took away their memory, well you saw what happened when Dr.Light and The Top snapped, and the results…were not pleasant.
@@sawtooth808 the problem with all these discussions is we are coming from a framework where there are no superheroes. There have been comic books in the past that have tried to address what it's like to be a normal in a world where there are superheroes and Gods and Monsters. I can only imagine what it would feel like their eyes.
And this id why tampering with mind is NEVER A GOOD IDEA.
Ironically this "secret league" does much more harm with NOT killing these villians. Although yes, it's not a good idea on itself, and Batman would be against it, however I feel it is justified to kill the villain, if they can't be redeemed. Everyone can be redeemed, yes, but the question is how many people must die until redemption can be achieved with any villian.
Perhaps some of those villains deserve death, but this secret league became too sure of themselves, thinking it's their job to forcefully redeem villians, or straight up mutilate them telepathically, because "nO oNe WoUlD nOtIcE"
Except The league isn’t the law
Who lives who dies isn’t up to them
To quote the man of steel himself you can’t simply throw morality in the garbage
Edit: tho I agree big time they mess the hell up with there mind wiping shenanigans
@@painvillegaming4119 I was really simplifying it in my comment, but you're right. It's actually not that hard to sentence hard some of the villains, since they have committed first-degree murders, which at the very least in America is a guaranteed life sentence.
Can’t wait for them to add flash to multiversus
I really want this game to be good, specially on PC, but the lack of PC requirements and a demo are worrying.
We're so close to release date and still nobody knows the requirements.
Wally having to deal with a guy who sees himself as half-Hero, half-Villain that doesn't know what the hell he should do, that's a goddamn problem.
Barry trying to help and only making an even bigger mess that Wally has to unfortunately deal with. Barry at least tried.
At least he tried to turn people on a better path in life.
To explain why the Justice League mind wiped Batman, it's because they made the decision to alter Light as Batman was away preparing to take him in. But he walked in on them in the middle of it. The Justice League crossed a line even Batman wouldn't cross, out of vengeance instead of necessity, then mind wiped their own teammate for sticking with his morals. Dr. Light was a bad dude and he left his mark even on Batman, but at the end of the day Batman deals with these darker more realistic crimes daily and he would never violate someone so deeply even after committing that.
The heroes crossed a line they never haf for the people they were protecting, only when one of their own is affected. Someone who is usually their moral compass and kindest guy, Barry, crossed it too. When confronted by another good guy for sticking with morality, a guy with experience in Dr. Light's crimes and with actual redemption of villains, they violated his mind as well. So where does the line stop if you choose to overstep your bounds and circumvent all your checks and balances?
Poor Barry he was just trying to help someone out but it back fires
Question why is wally the flash in this series,where is barry allen?
Dead, identity crisis was years before barry return from 20 years of death
Aunt Iris? Dammit I forgot the comic version
THE WHITE KNIGHT or my favorite batman beyond the white knight its so good
Supergirl is actually really good
Did they hire some spiderman writers? All of identity crisis just sounds brutally uncomfortable.
That was the Tops power? I thought he was DC's Whirlwind.
I think the Geoff John run of Flash expanded the Rogue's skills and abilities, including the Top. I didn't read too much of the older stuff, but I assume he was a basic villain before this.
He was pretty much DC’s Whirlwind…without the creepy obsession with the Wasp (including making escorts dress up in Wasp costumes)
just read the event today!! pretty cool
SB.........Crafted?
It seems like most of Barry's villains are his mistakes catching up to him.
What happened to him?
This is another example of why Wally is a better character than Barry. They should have never brought Barry back.
What chapter did they receive the letter? It wasn't in identity crisis
Flash rogue war i think
Aunt iris???? Damn this way different than CW arrowverse
Yeah, in comics and most media, Wally is Iris' nephew. Arrowverse Wally is pretty much a composite character of Wallace West, Daniel West and OG Wally.
Yea ik its weird but dont mess with peoples minds never ends well
No wonder Infinite Crisis happened
I need to know about those 10 minutes they stole from Batman what the hell happened and did he let them or they just did it.
Sad
Did Superman know about this?
Hold up why did they take 10 Min from Batman
I knew a guy that was known as 'the top'. He didn't have a power but his boyfriend was always cheerful.
Ugh, burn this whole story. Genuine trash and nothing but character assassination.
Wait but why did they steal 10 minutes from batman?
What did Batman do in retaliation for having his memory stolen??
@@MichiMichi34 he lost faith in JLA, stopped t give funds to the league and if i am not mistaken, he also make superman and wonder woman quit with him the justice league
Brother Eye.
This whole thing is just a mess.
I have no idea what is going on in this video
What ten minutes did they steal?
Batman walking in on them lobotimizing Dr. Light
The 10 mintues where Bruce spent Clark's 16 dollars
@@jazzy-qn8ms thanks
So just stop mind bending is the moral of the story?
Also does the justice league have anybody to stop them from doing this.
is barry dead?
Here we go with the milking again💀😭..
I hate all this turning heroes into villains BS.
While I agree most of the storyline goes this to heroes unnecessarily - imo Green Arrow and Zatanna would not do this - Barry here isn't really a villain, he just made a mistake which preluded more unethical acts.
They weren't villains though frankly what they did is far smarter then sending criminals to jail especially as it prevents their identities from leaking out which was the initial intent of the mind wipe.
Frankly the only issue with the mind wipe is that it isn't permanent if it was they could stop so many villains permanently while ensuring that they're technology and abilities are used to benefit society.
:) D
Damn the justice league is an mess. No wonder the S squad killed them off in one of the batman games
Sad