The one big thing for tesla owners is getting the right charger. Take the Heathrow charger on the outside of the M25 at the Hilton Hotel. It has V2 and V3 chargers. So many Y and 3 drivers have no idea that the V3 is higher power than the V2. I regularly explain to drivers to check the cable to work out the difference and pick the right bay to charge in.
Thanks for your videos. I regularly charge my non Tesla at my local Tesla chargers. I have an account with Tesla too. I also have a subscription with bp, which came with the car. My reason for Tesla charging is the price, availability and they always work.
Dave - the modified type-2 connector used by early UK Teslas is not the NACS connector. You frequently referred to it as NACS - but NACS is the original slim cable standard used by early (and still in use today) Teslas. See : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard
Yes Mike, I know, our UK version is not quite NACS, it's bigger but works on the same principle. Most viewers are confused enough as it is without getting too technical, so I simplify things, thanks for your input, Dave
@@davetakesitonIf anything, I think you've confused viewers more by referring to your connector as NACS while showing B-roll of something that isn't. I just wouldn't have mentioned NACS at all, or maybe showed the correct b-roll for that connector for any North American viewers. TBH, I'd be happy with the NACS connector for all Teslas, Inc those not in NA 😅. You can then have the magic dock setup on chargers that have CCS(2 for us Euro dwellers), adapter.
Coincidentally I had my first Supercharger experience yesterday with my MG4, with the charge port in the correct place. Five miles away the app said 3 of 8 available, on arrival 1 was left, one appeared to be blocked by building materials another Zoe had just arrived. It was easy to use, I had a quick top up to 60% in around 10 minutes and left. Most Tesla’s had their drivers sitting inside although the X I parked next to returned as a passenger in a diesel pickup before driving off.
@@davetakesiton This was certainly the cheapest ultra rapid around here, although a 60 mile round trip makes it a pointless exercise. At 54p the cost per mile is on par with my MX5. There are still a couple of free pod points around here and a 25p destination charger @7kw but beyond that 44-79p seems to be the ‘price fixed’ cost. Luckily I can mostly use my solar for day to day use.
Hi Dave, I’ve downloaded & installed the Tesla App. However it doesn’t show me the “ charge your non-tesla “ as in your video ? I can see quite a few superchargers. Must I 1st pay for the monthly subscription b4 the app shows me the non-tesla icon? It is the correct Tesla App I have & not a 3rd party one. Many Thx for ur answer 😊👍🏽
For cars like the Ioniq 5/6 with the charge port on the opposite side, Is it not possible to purchase a small extension cable for the charger to avoid the taking up two bays thing or are the voltages just too high for that to be safe?
Way too powerful, the voltage and current are lethal. Sorry, nice thought but you will take up two bays, so try to choose a quiet time. My last filming visit I saw only two non-Teslas and 3 Teslas at an 8 bay supercharger. It worked well, Dave
@@VideogameBucko No, please use them, but just be aware of the two bays, so try to avoid at peak busy times. Recently at an 8 bay supercharger there were 2 non-Teslas and two Teslas. One Niro used a single bay, the charger port is in the front middle, the other A BMW X5 with port at right rear took 2 bays. It was all friendly and no issues. They are there for you to use, Dave
Hi Dave. Any idea what sort of discount the £10.99 pm membership gives you? Also, can you stop/start membership? I regularly use the non Tesla charging during the summer but not during the winter.
Hi Stephen, The app shows examples in the UK, discounts £0.51 to £0.38 or £0.62 to £0.46, so typically 25-30%, and you can run month by month, don’t renew, the discount stops, no penalties, Dave
Mostly a good summary apart from an error around 1 minute 35. You stated when referring to the equipment at the the Supercharger bay or stall that it wasn't actually the "charger" (correct). However, you incorrectly said that the charger was actually in the car this was incorrect since your video was about using the Supercharger stall. True that the equipment at the individual bay/stall is only the connection equipment but the charger which supports it is close by in a large green or white box. The Tesla like all other EV have an onboard "AC" charger and BMS controller, but Supercharger and other charging networks Rapid Chargers supply DC connection to the car bypassing the car's low speed (typically 7 kW).
Yes and no Barry. Which bit is the charger? Is the the bit that supplies the current, or the circuit that accepts it, or the battery that stores it or the BMS that regulates the amount of current your car will take? My mobile phone has a charger (the bit you plug in) but also my phone has circuits to protect the battery. Which is in control. All Irrelevant really. It works
@@davetakesiton Dave, sorry I thought the purpose of your video was to demystify EV Charging. The relevant fact is that even though a mobile (cellular) phone is a simpler device with one method of charging it illustrates my point. Essentially when you plug the phone in to charge you plug it into a charger lead and the charger is not onboard the phone. The charger has converted AC Mains into a suitable DC Voltage for the phone to accept. A DC Rapid (Level 3) charger with a tethered CCS (or Tesla or ChadeMo) connector does the same and the phone "Charger" does at the charging bay ie it provides the correct DC Voltage to the vehicle. Home charging ie "Slow" (Level 1) and "Fast" (Level 2) 7 kW charging is different in that we use "Electric Vehicle Service Equipment" (EVSE) either with a tethered or untethered Type 2 AC cable. When the vehicle is connected before the AC is put through to the Onboard EV Charger the EVSE performs safety checks with the EV and negotiates the charge rate the vehicle can accept. When all is good and safe a relay or contactor closes and mains AC is supplied to the EV's onboard Charger. The wall box EVSE or the so-called "Granny Charger" or more correctly "Portable EVSE" are NOT chargers they are little more than safety devices and elaborate switches. I think your videos are important as EV usage grows and demystifying how to charge is really is vital as people adopt this new way of getting around, but let's be clear about the basics. And don't forget the hybrid drivers too I've met several people first time out with a hybrid at Motorway Services Rapid chargers looking for where to plug the DC CCS plug into their cars.
This video is accurate. Every Tesla owner knows this, but its hard to explain to ICE car owners, because of the huge fake information in the media, never covering truth of the convienience driving an Electric vehicle, which is Tesla compatible. Some cheap Non Tesla EVs doesnt have accessibility to the network. Always ask the dealer if the EV you are going to buy are Tesla compatible. If it hasnt its more or less useless. 🎃
1.29. I disagree with the statement that these “are not technically chargers” and the “charger’s in your car”. The Tesla supercharger is a DC rapid charger which connects directly to the car’s battery.
@@davetakesiton It think it's a question of semantics. Most people understand a "charger" to be a device that takes AC, and converts it to DC in order to charge a battery. EVs do indeed usually have a "charger" on-board that does exactly that. It's used when you plug in to an AC power source like your home wallbox. However - when connecting to a rapid DC charging station - the usual on-board "charger" is not in-circuit - and the BMS just plays an "oversight" role in asking the station to deliver whatever DC current/voltage level the pack can cope with at any given moment in time.
I pulled up at a Supercharger and there was a VW plugged in taking up two bays as the charging socket was on the other side. This is unacceptable. If there are 12 chargers 6 VWs would take up all the chargers. So you could get there with the app saying there would be 6 free, where in fact there would not be any free charges, because they would be taken up by Non Teslas. Complain to Tesla. It's the only way.
Really useful video. Thank you. Have downloaded the Tesla App. Look forward to using it at some point.
Glad to help Peter, hope you use it, Dave
The one big thing for tesla owners is getting the right charger. Take the Heathrow charger on the outside of the M25 at the Hilton Hotel. It has V2 and V3 chargers. So many Y and 3 drivers have no idea that the V3 is higher power than the V2. I regularly explain to drivers to check the cable to work out the difference and pick the right bay to charge in.
Too true Clive, there is so much ignorance which is strange if you’ve invested £50k, Dave
Thanks for your videos. I regularly charge my non Tesla at my local Tesla chargers. I have an account with Tesla too. I also have a subscription with bp, which came with the car. My reason for Tesla charging is the price, availability and they always work.
sad that Tesla standard price is cheaper than BP Pulse with membership, but nice to know you use them. People power will win in the end, Dave
Dave - the modified type-2 connector used by early UK Teslas is not the NACS connector. You frequently referred to it as NACS - but NACS is the original slim cable standard used by early (and still in use today) Teslas. See : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard
Yes Mike, I know, our UK version is not quite NACS, it's bigger but works on the same principle. Most viewers are confused enough as it is without getting too technical, so I simplify things, thanks for your input, Dave
@@davetakesitonIf anything, I think you've confused viewers more by referring to your connector as NACS while showing B-roll of something that isn't. I just wouldn't have mentioned NACS at all, or maybe showed the correct b-roll for that connector for any North American viewers.
TBH, I'd be happy with the NACS connector for all Teslas, Inc those not in NA 😅. You can then have the magic dock setup on chargers that have CCS(2 for us Euro dwellers), adapter.
Very useful Dave. Was going to ask if non-Tesla owners can charge at Tesla stations but you answered my query.
Glad to help, Dave
Coincidentally I had my first Supercharger experience yesterday with my MG4, with the charge port in the correct place. Five miles away the app said 3 of 8 available, on arrival 1 was left, one appeared to be blocked by building materials another Zoe had just arrived. It was easy to use, I had a quick top up to 60% in around 10 minutes and left. Most Tesla’s had their drivers sitting inside although the X I parked next to returned as a passenger in a diesel pickup before driving off.
Great to hear, Gary, would love to hear how the price you paid compared to your other chargers and/or any special deals you have with the car, Dave
@@davetakesiton This was certainly the cheapest ultra rapid around here, although a 60 mile round trip makes it a pointless exercise. At 54p the cost per mile is on par with my MX5. There are still a couple of free pod points around here and a 25p destination charger @7kw but beyond that 44-79p seems to be the ‘price fixed’ cost. Luckily I can mostly use my solar for day to day use.
Hi Dave, I’ve downloaded & installed the Tesla App. However it doesn’t show me the “ charge your non-tesla “ as in your video ? I can see quite a few superchargers. Must I 1st pay for the monthly subscription b4 the app shows me the non-tesla icon? It is the correct Tesla App I have & not a 3rd party one. Many Thx for ur answer 😊👍🏽
For cars like the Ioniq 5/6 with the charge port on the opposite side, Is it not possible to purchase a small extension cable for the charger to avoid the taking up two bays thing or are the voltages just too high for that to be safe?
Way too powerful, the voltage and current are lethal. Sorry, nice thought but you will take up two bays, so try to choose a quiet time. My last filming visit I saw only two non-Teslas and 3 Teslas at an 8 bay supercharger. It worked well, Dave
@@davetakesiton OK, I'll only use Tesla chargers if I absolutely have to for now then.
@@VideogameBucko No, please use them, but just be aware of the two bays, so try to avoid at peak busy times. Recently at an 8 bay supercharger there were 2 non-Teslas and two Teslas. One Niro used a single bay, the charger port is in the front middle, the other A BMW X5 with port at right rear took 2 bays. It was all friendly and no issues. They are there for you to use, Dave
Hi Dave. Any idea what sort of discount the £10.99 pm membership gives you? Also, can you stop/start membership? I regularly use the non Tesla charging during the summer but not during the winter.
Hi Stephen, The app shows examples in the UK, discounts £0.51 to £0.38 or £0.62 to £0.46, so typically 25-30%, and you can run month by month, don’t renew, the discount stops, no penalties, Dave
Mostly a good summary apart from an error around 1 minute 35. You stated when referring to the equipment at the the Supercharger bay or stall that it wasn't actually the "charger" (correct). However, you incorrectly said that the charger was actually in the car this was incorrect since your video was about using the Supercharger stall. True that the equipment at the individual bay/stall is only the connection equipment but the charger which supports it is close by in a large green or white box. The Tesla like all other EV have an onboard "AC" charger and BMS controller, but Supercharger and other charging networks Rapid Chargers supply DC connection to the car bypassing the car's low speed (typically 7 kW).
Yes and no Barry. Which bit is the charger? Is the the bit that supplies the current, or the circuit that accepts it, or the battery that stores it or the BMS that regulates the amount of current your car will take? My mobile phone has a charger (the bit you plug in) but also my phone has circuits to protect the battery. Which is in control. All Irrelevant really. It works
@@davetakesiton Dave, sorry I thought the purpose of your video was to demystify EV Charging. The relevant fact is that even though a mobile (cellular) phone is a simpler device with one method of charging it illustrates my point. Essentially when you plug the phone in to charge you plug it into a charger lead and the charger is not onboard the phone. The charger has converted AC Mains into a suitable DC Voltage for the phone to accept. A DC Rapid (Level 3) charger with a tethered CCS (or Tesla or ChadeMo) connector does the same and the phone "Charger" does at the charging bay ie it provides the correct DC Voltage to the vehicle. Home charging ie "Slow" (Level 1) and "Fast" (Level 2) 7 kW charging is different in that we use "Electric Vehicle Service Equipment" (EVSE) either with a tethered or untethered Type 2 AC cable. When the vehicle is connected before the AC is put through to the Onboard EV Charger the EVSE performs safety checks with the EV and negotiates the charge rate the vehicle can accept. When all is good and safe a relay or contactor closes and mains AC is supplied to the EV's onboard Charger. The wall box EVSE or the so-called "Granny Charger" or more correctly "Portable EVSE" are NOT chargers they are little more than safety devices and elaborate switches.
I think your videos are important as EV usage grows and demystifying how to charge is really is vital as people adopt this new way of getting around, but let's be clear about the basics. And don't forget the hybrid drivers too I've met several people first time out with a hybrid at Motorway Services Rapid chargers looking for where to plug the DC CCS plug into their cars.
Is that the Wokingham SC at 30 seconds? If so you could have nipped in my house for a coffee :-) If you are ever going to be there again hit me up.
I get around well spotted
Do your share and encourage change to NACS , because most cars will use this connector.
NACS? Outside North America? ("NA")
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NOT going to happen.
Dave assuming that's your own car in the video - you will remember to MOT it!
Yes, thanks Jim, thanks for the reminder, its already booked in, Dave
@@davetakesiton No problem Dave, I tried to email you but it bounced back, with gmail saying the account doesn't exist.
This video is accurate. Every Tesla owner knows this, but its hard to explain to ICE car owners, because of the huge fake information in the media, never covering truth of the convienience driving an Electric vehicle, which is Tesla compatible. Some cheap Non Tesla EVs doesnt have accessibility to the network. Always ask the dealer if the EV you are going to buy are Tesla compatible. If it hasnt its more or less useless. 🎃
1.29. I disagree with the statement that these “are not technically chargers” and the “charger’s in your car”.
The Tesla supercharger is a DC rapid charger which connects directly to the car’s battery.
Yes, Steve, but what controls the charge rate? How about the BMS? Dave
@@davetakesiton It think it's a question of semantics. Most people understand a "charger" to be a device that takes AC, and converts it to DC in order to charge a battery. EVs do indeed usually have a "charger" on-board that does exactly that. It's used when you plug in to an AC power source like your home wallbox. However - when connecting to a rapid DC charging station - the usual on-board "charger" is not in-circuit - and the BMS just plays an "oversight" role in asking the station to deliver whatever DC current/voltage level the pack can cope with at any given moment in time.
Is your Tesla ok,are you ok
Yes yes Dave
I pulled up at a Supercharger and there was a VW plugged in taking up two bays as the charging socket was on the other side. This is unacceptable. If there are 12 chargers 6 VWs would take up all the chargers. So you could get there with the app saying there would be 6 free, where in fact there would not be any free charges, because they would be taken up by Non Teslas. Complain to Tesla. It's the only way.
One car taking two spaces on a multi bay charger on one occasion is grounds for scrapping the scheme? I really disagree