@@spencermanning9994Specifically; the “other” you. It was Noah; but not N. But they’re technically the same person; so yeah. Noah and Mio kept being reborn over and over again. So, you could say it was an incarnation of Noah that was able to stop Z and reset the timeline. I really hope that Monolith Soft can make a Xenoblade 4. Or some sort of continuation of the series.🌈😍❤️💕
I've believed for a long time that a Xenoblade game needs to focus on the Afterlife, which was hinted in every game and 3 and Future Redeemed made it even more obvious that something important is there. And an Afterlife-themed game thematically fits for an X2 perfectly, which works considering the radio
Legends never die. As long as we hold them in our hearts, remember their stories and deeds, never let their memory vanish or fade away, and keep pestering the developers of the games about needing more content involving them or we’re done buying. Than they’ll always be with us. 😏 Also Shulk said “ We’ll be waiting for you at the far end of time “ and I thought that Nia and Melia said in the main game that once Zed and moebius were destroyed the worlds would be reset or something like that? I remember seeing the ending and she and poppy looked at a photo of Rex and the entire Xenoblade 2 cast in a photo and she says “ we’ll be together again soon “
@@paul-nj1ig she originally sung „Small Two of Pieces“ in Xenogears and also returned for Xenosaga Episode 1 Now, to end this Chapter of Xenoblade, she returned once again to sing this Ending song
30:40 Lol i love that the city children mention songs like gaur plain or ultimate bringer of chaos ultimate! As their favorite songs for na'el to play for them these kids know what's up
So we learn that Melia made Lucky Seven and gave it to Riku, who then pretended to be a Kevesi soldier to find Noah and give it to him. Why does N have a Lucky Seven then? Riku didn't say anything about multiple being made. Also, at 2:24:03 the camera zooms in on N's Sword Of The End, then Matthews "Fists Of The End", then back to A. We saw the Pneuma core in Matthews fists, so does this mean Logos is in N's sheathe for his sword? That would imply Pneuma is powering Ouroboros, Logos is powering Moebius, and Ontos is powering origin. That fits pretty well with their established roles, as long as you view Logos to still have Amalthus influence.
@@UltimaPhoenix-dx3kt We all talked about how the main party is essentially Torna and Malos would totally fight with them if he was alive, but turns out his core is helping keep the world still! Logos is logical, but Malos was tainted by Amalthus's influence. I wonder if Logos is still affected, since Moebius is based around fear and emotional logic is Pneumas thing.
Interesting enough in FR, Z ponder how N got the Sword of the End in his possession the same matter how Riku questioned Matthew on his gauntlet. No doubt N found some form of the Logos Core Crystal the same manner Ghondor found Pneuma and Na'el found Ontos.
@@fireheart4560 And Dannagh Desert was destroyed 500 years before 2, yet its prospering in Aionios! In fact, Logos was also destroyed 500 years before 2, but it turned out he survived. We also heard Malos speak to Pneuma before she sacrificed herself. Anything could happen.
So pretty much everyone other than Shulk, Rex, Melia and Nia ended up in a weapon. Fiora is within Lucky Seven/the Sword of the End. Reyn, Sharla, Dunban, Riki, Kino and Nene are implied to be inside Shulk's Monado REX+ (This also explains why Melia says "Everyone, thank you" in the end of the base game when looking at the sword). Pyra and Mythra are within the Fists of the End/the Veiled Sword (And apparently Rex didn't know about this). Malos is in the Sword of Origin. And of course Poppi is in the dynamo that powers the Cloudkeep. Tyrea, Teelan, Dromarch, Tora, Morag, Brighid, Zeke and Pandoria are still unaccounted for.
N as well, he did not mean to kill Ghondor, Alpha used Na'el to manipulate him into using his own body to shield her. And M never knew this, she died thinking her husband willingly killed their child.
Geez, that little radio in the background of chapter 5 during the vision of the past was spitting fire. Dropping lore bombs for Xenogears and Xenosaga and implying they share the same world with Xenoblade after all.
I can't be the only one who struggled with N in the base game and dlc right? Man is such a pain in the ass so many hours but enough complaining I loved these games so much
During climbing up the Black Mountain I was pissed with how hard fights were even on normal difficulty, so I switched to easy mode. When I reached N I was something around Level 54 I thing, N at 49. And he still wiped the floor with my party repeatedly......ON EASY! Just shows that dude NEVER goes Easy.
Why is Glimmer so much like Mythra? It's simple. When Adam resonated with the Pnuema core crystal, he created a surrogate teenage daughter due to his fears of being a good father coupled with his fears of controlling an Aegis. Glimmer is that teenage daughter realised again as Rex's child. It's great, I love it.
I’m in chapter 3 and watched the cutscene because I accidently skipped the one where like THE WHOLE LORE WITH PNEUMA, LOGOS AND ONTOS was said. Now it makes sense why pneuma/mythra/pyra nor Malos are not present. If they were the story wouldn’t exist
you can back out into the main future redeemed menu and go to theater to watch any cutscenes you have "unlocked" so far, tbh going straight to a full upload of the whole game is kind of asking for a spoiler accident to happen lol
Still can't believe Matthew & Na'el are Vandhams (I can see it in Matthew with Guernica, Monica, & Ghondor, but not much with Na'el). I also realized that in regard to family: Wouldn't it be that Matthew, Na'el, & Glimmer are technically cousins??? Matthew & Na'el are descended from Mio & Mio is descended from Nia; & Nia is the "sister-in-law" with Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma {still gotta say Glimmer has Pyra's hair color & flames, but has Mythra's personality, And has the overall appearance of Pneuma}. But in regard for A, they released some form of official description: "A is in fact a fragment of Alvis, being born from his discarded "conscience" and retaining the memories of Alvis's time with Shulk." I am just not sure if this interpretation means that A is just Alvis or a whole new person born from whatever was left of alvis that was discarded???
A is alvis but still they’re own entity being the avatar for Aionios. What’s left of Alvis in future redeemed is the AI goal driven side of alvis of actualizing the future as a certainty at the expense of “the old world” and A is like you said Alpha’s conscience that split from him to succeed him as the “Zanza” (the lynchpin that holds Aionios together). I think this is it but let me know if i misinterpreted something from the game. There’s a lot and not a lot at the same time that discussed about the relationship with A and Alpha
They’ll probably be partially answered in the next game’s dlc in a few years, after the next main game brings up a new cast of characters that brings up a million questions. As is tradition.
@@joemarais7683 I've heard that this game was the end of the Klaus saga. They'll probably be more xenoblade games, but I imagine it won't be as connected to the previous games. But I guess we'll see.
I think everything tbh is more or less wrapped up pretty nicely, the ending is rife with debates as to what is exactly happening but I think it's fine, everything else actually feels pretty knit together but I definitely think that it's time to put these two worlds and characters to rest and move on, which I guess is kinda the message of the game.
@@brianvaira486 It is the end of the Klaus saga but we know for a fact that this new reunited world will be pretty crazy, it should still have a Conduit somewhere and Origin should still exist housing Shulk and Rex. Also if that blue light at the end is indeed Kos-Mos returning to Lost Jerusalem, then the Universe should have also just ended the Gnosis threat and should be pretty effed up.
Ok, so from what I can understand: A is the same Alvis who we met back in Xenoblade 1, just in a new form. And Alpha is just using Alvis' form from that game. Did I get that right?
From what I understood, Alpha is just Ontos with no personality, just machine function. Ontos needs Pneuma and Logos to make decisions (aka be human) but with them gone, Alpha took on Klaus's regrets and became Alvis. When Zanza was defeated, and with Malos and Mythra in another world, nothing was left to give 'Alvis' feelings so he reverted to Alpha/Ontos again, whose cold logic was to ensure the future occurred, even if it meant wiping out the world. But Ghondor and N using Pneuma and Logos's powers in front of Alpha caused 'Alvis' to split from Alpha as a new form, who is A.
@@boohoo723 holy shit the only comment that makes sense of this super confusing story. it all but confirms N using Logos' power and Ghondor/Matthew using Pneuma's. A did explain that she was born from that clash that Ghondor had with N at the city in front of Alpha/Na'el. the only question is when did Future Redeemed take place? after N destroying the city and M creating new versions of Noah and Mio, AND before Noah and Mio destroying Z and restoring the two worlds back to normal?
@@thiefkingparsley576 Future Redeemed took place after N destroyed the city and before Noah and Mio split off from N and M. So yeah, long before Z is defeated. It takes place 1000 years before Z is defeated. A says it at the end of the DLC.
Both are Alvis, split between his pragmatic and emotional forms, A is the part of Alvis that has feelings and lives the people of Bionis and Mechonis, while Alpha is Alvis stripped of all these emotions. This is why A is more sarcastic and earnest than Alvis was, she's unhindered by the logical side that kept Alvis restrained, while Alpha is pragmatic to the point of unwitting cruelty, as he's unburdened by the feelings Alvis felt for Shulk and the others. As a small extra point, A is also Consul A, as much like Moebius it is her intention to preserve the world against Alpha's desire to abandon it, but she's A as in the opposite of Z, because while Z is selfish and evil, A does what she does out of pure intentions.
1:32:30 imagine a parenting book called "how to be a parent when your child most likely believes the word parent refers to some new weapon classification"
I still wish there’s gonna be another game. A final journey that sets everything right, and that the characters from each game are all together where they need to be happy and well from all they’ve been through. See them together with their families.
30:39 love the implications that Na'el can play Bringer of Chaos: Ultimate! on piano and that, at some point, someone composed each of the tracks as we know them in-universe.
Ok so, I know people are all sad in the comment section but can we all agree that most of us figured out Glimmer was Rex's daughter because of the hair and the way she talked almost exactly like Mythra?
I mean I noticed because of the core crystal but she looked like pnuema and had the attitude of mythra and the hair colir of pyra, also wouldnt that mean that glitter is an aegis?
So is it safe to assume that every old party character that we didn't saw again like Reyn, Dromarch, Morag, Sharla, Fiora, etc., they all died in the first battle against Alpha (where Shulk lost his arm and Rex his eye), and they would all eventually come back once Origin reset everything back to normal?
That's what I'm assuming to be the case. Due to the fact of lack of anger in Shulk and Rex both. Our boys have seen some shit and when push comes to shove they will absolutely shove it means protecting the ones they love and the world. Normally they'd probably come back to life but since Alpha has control over Origin and not Melia or Nia or even Ontos when having A. They're locked in a dead state. Complete speculation on some things here but hopes it clears things up!
That's definitely an interpretation one can take, but I think there isn't a really good in-game explanation for this, obviously now we don't want just the old characters but we want something new, but Pneuma's and Logos' core crystals survived anyways and so did Poppi I think they are just off doing other stuff, Melia was also captured before all of this happened as well so some stuff probably also went down against Moebius.
There's a dialogue with Linka where she says that Rex, Shulk, her, Panacea and such are here because they weren't assimilated by Origin like everyone else
theres a theory that dunban was somehow reborn as ashera since they have the exact same moveset and ashera mentions about an old itch from a previous lifes war wound
Given how Shulk, Rex, and A(or someone) gone, Matthew would become a founder to the new city or weather. My question, what would become of Shulk’s son and Rex’s daughter?
Matthew, Na’el, Glimmer, Nikol, Linka, and Panacea are the six founders of the new City. The statues of Rex and Shulk in the City were placed there instead of Links and Panacea upon their request. The middle plinth where the Oruboros stone stand was originally for A, the seventh member of the squad. But their statue was never made, as their role was intentionally forgotten. The plinths in the City state all of this. The DLC just reveals the details.
Is the implication of the end of chapter 4 that M doesn’t know about A and Alpha and that Z actually sent N to the city to rid of Alpha and not just to murder all the city folk? Cuz I think In the base game we only get N’s backstory through M’s lens, right? Or am I misunderstanding?
Well yes, pretty much. He still needed to kill city people, but that wasn't just to bring M back to life, but to stop alpha and to save the world from destruction. M didn't know any of it, and N kept quiet about their son death as well, making M resent N. The only one who knows about all of this in base game are N, Z and possibly Noah after N bacame part of him.
@@ch62013 yeah, I think him as well. When Noah and guys were in prison, Riku was the only one who said: "it seems to me, that he had sadness in his eyes" and I won't be surprised if that was the reason, why he gave Noah lucky seven.
After 1 year of quitting my Xenoblade phase, I got this recommended to me since I’ve been trying to get into the series again. I was like “3 hours of cutscenes just for the dlc of a single game!?” But since I forgot this dlc’s story the most, I decided to watch this entire video. Those 3 hours were worth it. I have completely forgotten how fucking amazing the stories for these games are! I have heard that this game is the true ending of Xenoblade 1 and 2’s stories and an end of a trilogy, but not the series, and this is the perfect way to end it if that’s the case. Alpha, Alvis, or Ontos, whatever you want to refer him as, finally getting what he deserves. Shulk and Rex passing down their legacy to 2 kids in order for them to build a perfect future, and everyone lives happily ever after. There has to be a completely different story if this series continues, there’s just no way they can continue it after this.
What’s interesting is where we started off. We started with Ontos (Alvis) during the first game in the purchase order, then Pneuma in the second game and Logos before ending it the way it began, with Ontos again. Though, in chronological order, we started with Pneuma and Logos before we ended with Ontos.
When you think about it.... matthew saved his great step-grandaunt and his sister ended up founding a city with her as well as well as both meeting their ancestor (Glimmer; her father, and Matthew & Nael; their great great grandfather
Before I dive into these cutscenes can someone please let me know if Rex ever goes into detail about his relationship(s) with Nia, Pyra or Mythra? Or even if there shown together?
Doesn't really go into detail, however, in the affinity scenes whenever they are mentioned (named or not) he talks in a sadder tone since they are not here. Specially Nia, since she is hidden from Moebius for many years.
I have a theory. Could the fog king from future connected just be Alpha but a different form. Because when Alpha turned from his Alvis form to that machine we he transforms it looks like the fog king
Maybe i'm just dumb that really enjoy happy endings or japanese really love open endings and people make their own guests, I just wanted a DLC that shows Noah and Mio reunited I guess this is the final expansion content of this game and we won't see any of that, i'm a little disappointed
Bro this game had INSANE LORE and depth of complexity. Is THAT what you are so hang up on? Jesus. DLC 4 was one of the most profound DLC experiences of my life wrapping up this trilogy perfectly.
No. That would be pointless. See, Aionios IS NOT what many people assume it is. It is not the moment of the physical intersection. It is COMPLETELY a virtual reality in a different dimension made by 2 arks of Origin prior to physical intersection. As the final cutscene of DLC 4 shows, it vibrates and comes into 'reality' from a new dimension where Aionios was created 'virtually' by Z stopping the flow of time dimension from the real world as a result of this space time anomaly. When Origin booted up normally after Z's death in XC3, the virtual Aionious (2 planets of Alrest and Bionis) separated from each other in a virtual fashion - remember Noah and Mio running towards each other -just like it shows at the end of dlc 4 cutscene. The 'virtual planets' coincides with the real location of the planets just before the physical intersection. Time resumes.Planets collide. Light appears. And New existence of Origin reboots at the very end. This is an EXTREMELY sophisticated understanding of XC3 and DLC 4 many people wont be able to make the connection for many MANY more months. People still think Aionios was the time frozen at the physical intersection point which is the wrong conclusion. It creates inconsistencies like you complain here 'They got separated so that they can get into a whole again?' sort of unexplainable and dumb issues arise due to not understanding the game well enough. You are absolutely right. There is no reason or rhyme why it seperated first to become whole. It could have been become whole right away as it was already half morphed. But that couldnt happen since Aionios WASNT the moment of physical intersection but a mere VR existence. That resides one of the hardest XC3 plot twists to see and unravel. DLC 4's ending cutscene kinda helps you btw. To see how planets arise out of invinsible and imaginary space. before seperating.
@@garreonlefay6703 OK. 2 key assumptions you have are overturned radically: 1- Aionios is completely a VR existence in a separate dimension of space time. 2- Physical intersection of the planets (Bionis and Alrest) havent occured yet! PS: Please check chp 10 (in XC3) right after killing Z, while our party look at 2 Planets frozen in time looking over garden. Yes. Those 2 planets are alrest and bionis frozen in time right after Z's interjection via Ark photon communication. He stripped the time dimension of reality by causing a space time anomaly (aionios) using Origin's data and Ontos's core processor). But Ontos IS corrupted after the death of Klaus so the events of DLC 4 occurs ;) ----- Observe how planets come into existence and separate both in XC3 (mio and noah running towards each other) and DLC 4 ending as planets vibrate from 'imaginary space' after the rebooting of Origin. Let me know if you wanna hear more. This is the true story of XC3 and DLC 4 which is not that easy to see when the game is showing 'XC1 and XC2 matter morphed' AS IF Aionios is the moment of physical intersection. But it is not. It is a new dimension generated by Z to stop the collision of the physical planets in fear of what will happen.
@@Arda-dq4rt so what I got is: The worlds were stopped before they could intersect, creating Aionios in a separate dimension frozen in time. Then at the end of XC3 the people from Aionios fade back into their original worlds, before the worlds crash into a beam of light, and Origin reboots the worlds into one world (seen at the end of FR). Is that about right?
That instrumental flite at the end credits ... definitely reminds me of "xenogears" ost "broken mirror" ... definitely from the same makers or line or something ~ i love it~
So who wants to explain why Pnuema and Logos are just core Crystals inlaid onto weapons whilst Alvis is still a being? Also what happens to the gauntlets Matthew had? Some say that Lucky 7 was built from the gauntlets ( containing pnuema’s core Crystal and Logos’s crystal which I thought was destroyed in Xenoblade 2 ) but Logos is clearly in N’s hands. So why people saying that lucky seven is both aegis’s made into one weapon? I also seen that Riku’s master had already made Lucky 7 and instructed him to give it to a person he deemed worthy of it. The gloves existed at the same time as lucky 7 in this game and so this contradicts the theory that Noah’s sword is Pnuema. That I keep hearing all over the place. Wherever Matthew took the gloves and whomever he passed them onto is where Pnuema truly resides. And I intend to know. We must know where she resides and honestly what happens to them all when the world is remade? Do all our favorites come back to life and rebuild the world together? Or is another reality made where it’s as if they were never split before in the first place? Thus Pnuema, Logos, Antos, and the Bionis mechonis, and the characters never were made to begin with? 🥺 this last possibility saddens my heart, but it’s definitely a possibility. I wish we knew more and hope to god that we get a new game that includes explanations and or all of our beloved cast members in one game with a new quest. Maybe invaders from other realities or a new planet entirely. “ Aka War of the Worlds “ many worlds one sky. One destiny. Constant war. Ok now I’m starting to sound like War Hammer lore. I’m gunna shut up now. 😅
Logos core in N's sheath, Pneuma core in the gauntlets, the gauntlets become Noah's sheath in the main game, they become a big gauntlet for Noah's left hand when he unleashes Lucky seven though. Lucky seven uses the power of all 7 party members of XC1. It was made by Melia. That's it. Ah, and, I guess it's sharp. Very, very, very sharp.
The popular theory is that Matthew's "Fists of the End" (containing the power of Pneuma) hitting N's Sword of the End (with the power of Logos) is the event that causes Noah to be reborn in the cycle possessing both powers combined
@@christianboustani8284 Xenoblade X had to be the latest in the timeline because there are things in that game that existed only after the phase transition event that started everything. For example, the existence of the Telethia, which were created by Zanza, which could only happen after Xenoblade 1. However, the Project Exodus mentioned in Future Redeemed seems to be different from the one shown to us in XCX. The reasons why Project Exodus were started and the overall state of affairs in the world were very different from what was shown to us in XCX. XCX shows us that Project Exodus was started in preparation for the day when Earth would be caught in the crossfire between the Samaar Federation and the Ghosts, none of which is even hinted to on the radio in FR. There are also technologies like the Artifices of Xenoblade 2, that didn't exist in XCX. The Ganglion also imply that humans had existed long before the events of XCX as a space-faring race, with the humans of Earth being created as a failsafe for keeping the servants they created under control. So with all of this in mind, XCX's Project Exodus and the Project Exodus mentioned in FR have to be separate events.
Okay...so...I understood most of that. But I have no idea why the two kids were important or who they were supposed to be in a prior life or whatnot. Glimmer had Pyra's stone, but so did Matthew, so...none of that makes any sense. The Grandad was the one who kind of blew up the city all this time, not N (well, sorta...), and also split A and Alpha. But I don't understand why Alpha wanted Matthew specifically (if it wanted Pyra's chip, it should also have wanted the other one...yet didn't?), and why Matthew and Glimmer both have it. And for that matter why Rex DOESN'T have part of it in some way considering he once had part of it from Pyra bonding with him to save his life. And I have no idea who Nokol is supposed to be. I've not played Xeno1 but know theh general story beats, but I'm not sure who he was supposed to be, nor why Rex and Shulk were talking about seeing them grow up again. ...so confused. Still feel like something's missing...
Rex lost the Core Crystal at the end of XC2 so that tracks. Glimmer is his and Pyra's child so she has the crystal. I'm not 100% about the explanation but the crystal that Matthew has isn't his but in his weapon. With Malos being part of N's sword it makes sense. I suppose Pyra and Mythra both embody the core crystal in Matthew's weapon since many people's soul were present in Aionios buy as weapons. For example: Fiora was hinted (and pretty much confirmed) to be in Noah's Lucky Seven. And if you haven't noticed yet, Glimmer and Nikol are the children of Rex and Shulk respectively. Rex - Pyra and Shulk - Fiora. They grew up in their worlds so both of them got to see them growing up but then Z took over Origin and Aionios was created, splitting them off. Rex often hints at Pyra and Mythra being *not here* so they're at least somewhere. Ghondor wanted to split Alpha from Na'el but only managed to split off A who is basically Alvis from XC1. N still destroyed the city and slaughtered most of the City folks.
I'm adding this comment because it seems most people misunderstand the whole deal with Pneuma's core. Look at the scene again: the core only appears in that moment, it wasn't there all along. And it is transparent, because it's not the actual, physical core, but just a manifestation of Pneuma's power. Consider also that A says that what make Matthew's gauntlets special is that they contain Origin metal, not a core crystal. And Riku explained that Origin metal can contain the souls and memories of the people just like Origin, and that Lucky Seven contains the soul of someone important for Melia. So, just like Lucky Seven contains Fiora's soul (as confirmed by Takahashi himself), the Origin metal in Matthew's gauntlet contains both Mythra's and Pyra's, and that is why Pneuma's power can manifest. Mythra and Pyra themselves, just like Fiora and everyone else, are among the people assimilated by Origin, which was managed by Ontos alone. But since Origin metal works as it does, they manifested in Aionios like that.
So basically none of them would be living if pnuema and logos werent in that machine thingy? I was really hoping to see poppy or nia at their base camp lmfao. I also thought it was sweet how rex mentioned how vhandam had a scar across his eye too
@@bagelgod946 yea true but rex also mentioned that he really looked up to the guy with the scar so i really think it was vhandam cayse he didnt really look up to zeke yk
Hey guys. I'm a big fan of xenoblade and I have some difficulty understanding the events because I don't know much English. I am Brazilian. I want to know what you hear with dunban, fiora, reyn and the rest of the characters. What happened to them? They died? Can they come back to life? How did they die? Who killed them? I will feel grateful to receive help from you.
A lore viajou tanto que os eventos de Xeno 3 se passam apenas em “alguns segundos no mundo real” enquanto Aionios é uma espécie de simulação e os personagens vivem em um loop eterno de guerra. Dunban, Fiora e todos outros personagens provavelmente estão vivos enquanto o tempo real está parado. O motivo pelo qual Shulk e Rex não envelhecem é porque eles estão meio que “parados no tempo” também (mesmo que o Matthew seja literalmente um tataraneto do Rex)
@@RED-247 Have my seventh. And no, your "YOOOOOOOO" has 2 "O"'s too much, you accidentally declared war somewhere on an alien planet, so you didn't spell that right. Except if this war was your intention, then you did.
While i really did enjoy the story it is very messy and confusing in alot of ways. Based off what the game insinuates it feels like the swords of the end and beginning and matthews fist of the end are made up from the power of Pyra Mythra and Malos, im assuming N's swords is malos, Matthews fists are Pyra and Noahs sword is Mythra im guessing this since the swords are the true counter parts like Mythra and Malos and the fist is an off shoot of the swords which would mean Pyra. And thats all well and good but how them do the swords power and by extention the swords exist ,if Malos died at the end of 2 and P/M arent a thing anymore and is forshadowed to have taken on the role of the combined Worlds Avatar along with Alvis and Now Shulk and Rex? The only guess i can figure is Ontos/ Alvis' core crystal still had information for Malos for him to be recreated and Pyra and Mythra assumed the role just as we see Shulk and Rex did? But also something else that is confusing is in terms of everything is how does any of the Aegis' core cyrstals still have reality changing power if the source of it all disappeared at the end of 2. And Pneuma used the rest of it to blow up Elysium? Even in the case of Shulk's world Alvis himself knew time was running out for shulk to remake his world so we can assume alvis used the last of his portion of the power on that? There are alot more questions for sure but those are my main ones. While i really enjoy the crossover elements of XBC3 I do feel like alot of the lore from 1 and 2 mixing together is very confusing and dragged the story down a bit. I also dont like how the XB2 characters and lore felt like they had more of a importance to the story than XBC1 characters and lore did I know alvis played a huge part in the dlc but even so it still all tied back mostly to Xbc2 lore and as far as seeing Shulk and Rex in a leadership role it felt like Rex was more of the leader in charge and like he was the more focused on one than Shulk despite Shulk being the canonical older and more experienced one. I just wish that 3 felt more of like a mix of 1 and 2 and not like 2 with elements of 1 being present. All in all 3 is still a very enjoyable story to watch and experience and i look forward to seeing how the reset and formed world story plays out in a possible 4. Although part of me feels like maybe it hinted at XBC X taking place in the future of the reformed worlds idk why but it just gave me those vibes.
Considering Shulk has to fight Zanza (basically god) and ended up losing his arm to Alvis it’s clear he’s more worn out compared to Rex. Not to mention Shulk’s powers relied more so on his visions which he lost after beating Zanza. It’s even briefly discussed in this dlc between A and Shulk how Shulk’s still yearns to have the ability to have visions and how since he feels like he has less courage than he used to because of this. Rex is still kicking ass probably because of his positive attitude. When it’s discussed how he lost his eye he doesn’t seem bothered and actually kinda likes it cause a mentor of his had an eye thing. Plus, in his game he didn’t have to fight his creator so he’s not really worn out.
Yes, you’re right about pneuma (Mythra/Pyra) and Logos (Malos) being recreated from origin/Alvis since Aionios is made of the memories of the two worlds given how the mechonis sword is intact despite being destroyed in X1 and other such areas too.
The reason why XC3’s story seems like it has more lore elements from 2 than 1 is because 2 inadvertently expanded the lore of one with the beanstalk and the trinity processor. I know aesthetically the game world and music is almost a perfect split between bionis and alrest but the more of XC3 is just adding to Klaus trilogy to complete it. It doesn’t need to be perfectly split because it’s trying finalize the grand narrative. So the thing about Logos and Pneuma still having powers has less to do with lore continuity (which can technically be discarded because Aionios is a separate world from post alrest and post bionis worlds) and they have more to do with Neoplatonist aesthetic theme of the soul, the mind, and reality (pneuma, logos, and ontos).
Pneuma works with Mathew and Noah because they’re stories are fundamentally the spirit of overcoming in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds. And Logos works well with N because N is fundamentally driven by total rationality. In order to allow him to be with M forever he perpetuates the “endless now” by any means necessary which a basically his and his lovers way of surviving which is inherently logical. How pneuma and logos relate to Ouroboros is when N tells Mathew to drive his fist into the sword which combines spirit (the stand things in the dlc) with logic (which actual uses the spirits and their fusion through some fictional physics) to make the xenogear- I mean the thing at the end that delivers the finishing blow to Alpha .
I understand your mild dissatisfaction with XC3, but in my opinion I think if you view the trilogy as a whole rather than competitor one can argue that this is honestly peak fiction and one of the most enthralling stories a game has ever attempted. And, without a doubt the story of XC3 and especially its dlc has some of the most peak xenoblade moments.
before. at this point, N had just destroyed the first City and it was before Matthew and the other founders created the Second City at the Mechonis Sword. the Noah and Mio we know in the base game don't exist yet, and interlinking hasn't been invented yet. plus in the main game, Origin is located in the centre of Aionios, but there's a whole region of Aionios in the same spot that's exclusive to the DLC and Origin isn't physically there until near the end. after Alpha was defeated and after Shulk, Rex, and A offer themselves as a pseudo trinity processor to replace the core of Origin to keep it running, Origin crashes into Aionios and wipes out the region surrounding it, including XC1 colony 9 and Prison Island.
I don't know if it's established, but I find it kinda odd that the two consuls that die in chapter 1 somehow reappear in the main game. I thought the main game established that once a Moebius dies, they die for good.
I think the Moebius that appear in the DLC are just simply different Moebius, different beings. As we see at the end of the main game during the first part of Z's fight, he summoned a lot of Moebius to be there in the audience, obviously more than just the 26 letters of the alphabet. Also, in the voice credits of Future Redeemed, the roles are called "(Past) Moebius ...". So I think we can just assume that the Moebius that died here are entirely different Moebius than the ones in the main game :)
Hold up... there was implication of REAL cannibalism. The one guy said strip their corpses and "we'll be eating good tonight." So either they were gonna sell the clothes or were planning to eat them.... or both
They probably were thinking of claiming their life force. I don’t think they realize the difference between City and non City in terms of claiming life. Remember, under the flame clock they are unaware and clueless of many things
Dude's a scavenger. His entire job is picking up heavy things and doing lots of manual labor. Plus the dude was fighting to save the world against giant robots and evil popes while using a sword the same size as he is. Frankly I'm more surprised he was such a skinny kid in XC2.
with that packed main game (at least 100 hours if you try to finish everything, yes everything) and you still complain that it is not bundled into one. although the main game could use some improvement though
1:06:08
"Everyone knows the real hero steps up in the 3rd act"
Comes in at chapter 3
just like his wife
He's here to show you a thing or three.
2:43:49 Shulk may be depressed at the state of things, but the mention of an old friend makes his smile in this scene finally reach his eyes.
3:28:25 - "Who knows, maybe it'll even be you"
Wow I love that line
Matthew really did a little trolling finding someone looking like his grandpa just to remind him in base xeno 3.
"Who knows, maybe it'll even be you"
Oh, you can say that....
...is it bad I took that literally as a way to tell N to put Noah and mio in the queen's cycle?
Well, without N and M sacrificing themselves, Aionios never would've ended.
@@spencermanning9994Specifically; the “other” you. It was Noah; but not N. But they’re technically the same person; so yeah. Noah and Mio kept being reborn over and over again. So, you could say it was an incarnation of Noah that was able to stop Z and reset the timeline. I really hope that Monolith Soft can make a Xenoblade 4. Or some sort of continuation of the series.🌈😍❤️💕
I hope this is not the last of our legends. You will always remain in our ♥️.
Hey if it is, it's all good. Legends gotta rest man.
Shulk and Rex are alive and well. After origin reboot. They were in the database. They saw the kids once again. Keeping the promise.
I've believed for a long time that a Xenoblade game needs to focus on the Afterlife, which was hinted in every game and 3 and Future Redeemed made it even more obvious that something important is there. And an Afterlife-themed game thematically fits for an X2 perfectly, which works considering the radio
Legends never die. As long as we hold them in our hearts, remember their stories and deeds, never let their memory vanish or fade away, and keep pestering the developers of the games about needing more content involving them or we’re done buying. Than they’ll always be with us. 😏
Also Shulk said “ We’ll be waiting for you at the far end of time “ and I thought that Nia and Melia said in the main game that once Zed and moebius were destroyed the worlds would be reset or something like that? I remember seeing the ending and she and poppy looked at a photo of Rex and the entire Xenoblade 2 cast in a photo and she says “ we’ll be together again soon “
@brion Precisely. We need more Uncle Rex and Shulk in our lives!
They did bring back Joanne Hogg for the lyrical song. That's amazing.
Who's she
@@paul-nj1ig The singer who sang for Xenogears end credit song iirc, which is the first Xeno game on the PS1
@@paul-nj1ig she originally sung „Small Two of Pieces“ in Xenogears and also returned for Xenosaga Episode 1
Now, to end this Chapter of Xenoblade, she returned once again to sing this Ending song
To add to the above statement, search for the song Kokoro by Yasunori Mitsuda. Joanne's vocals on that song are phenomenal.
Still funny to see Rex and Shulk in this DLC but damn they definitely aged well :D
Agreed
Like a chad and a Sigma
30:40 Lol i love that the city children mention songs like gaur plain or ultimate bringer of chaos ultimate! As their favorite songs for na'el to play for them these kids know what's up
So we learn that Melia made Lucky Seven and gave it to Riku, who then pretended to be a Kevesi soldier to find Noah and give it to him. Why does N have a Lucky Seven then? Riku didn't say anything about multiple being made.
Also, at 2:24:03 the camera zooms in on N's Sword Of The End, then Matthews "Fists Of The End", then back to A. We saw the Pneuma core in Matthews fists, so does this mean Logos is in N's sheathe for his sword? That would imply Pneuma is powering Ouroboros, Logos is powering Moebius, and Ontos is powering origin. That fits pretty well with their established roles, as long as you view Logos to still have Amalthus influence.
It's ironic that Logos, who tried destroying the world, is now keeping it still
@@UltimaPhoenix-dx3kt We all talked about how the main party is essentially Torna and Malos would totally fight with them if he was alive, but turns out his core is helping keep the world still!
Logos is logical, but Malos was tainted by Amalthus's influence. I wonder if Logos is still affected, since Moebius is based around fear and emotional logic is Pneumas thing.
Interesting enough in FR, Z ponder how N got the Sword of the End in his possession the same matter how Riku questioned Matthew on his gauntlet. No doubt N found some form of the Logos Core Crystal the same manner Ghondor found Pneuma and Na'el found Ontos.
Logos core crystal was destroyed in 2 people lol
@@fireheart4560 And Dannagh Desert was destroyed 500 years before 2, yet its prospering in Aionios!
In fact, Logos was also destroyed 500 years before 2, but it turned out he survived. We also heard Malos speak to Pneuma before she sacrificed herself. Anything could happen.
So pretty much everyone other than Shulk, Rex, Melia and Nia ended up in a weapon.
Fiora is within Lucky Seven/the Sword of the End.
Reyn, Sharla, Dunban, Riki, Kino and Nene are implied to be inside Shulk's Monado REX+ (This also explains why Melia says "Everyone, thank you" in the end of the base game when looking at the sword).
Pyra and Mythra are within the Fists of the End/the Veiled Sword (And apparently Rex didn't know about this).
Malos is in the Sword of Origin.
And of course Poppi is in the dynamo that powers the Cloudkeep.
Tyrea, Teelan, Dromarch, Tora, Morag, Brighid, Zeke and Pandoria are still unaccounted for.
Thank you I was trying to figure this out
I really like Glimmers voice actor. She really brings out Pyra and Mythras mannerisms well, mythra especially
She really had mythras attitude for sure and she looked like pyra aswell, for a bit I thought both pyra/mythra and glimmer had the same voice actor
@@blakesabin8297in the Japanese audio, they do have the same actress. (Shino Shimoji)
The end of Chapter 4 man felt so bad for Ghondor. That was a lot to take in.
Omg I cried in that moment. Especially when he was all "you told me to make friends"
N as well, he did not mean to kill Ghondor, Alpha used Na'el to manipulate him into using his own body to shield her.
And M never knew this, she died thinking her husband willingly killed their child.
That final song during the credits 😢 watching xb2 scenes got me crying like a 7 year old asking for his mommy
Geez, that little radio in the background of chapter 5 during the vision of the past was spitting fire. Dropping lore bombs for Xenogears and Xenosaga and implying they share the same world with Xenoblade after all.
Rex looks so different in the opening cutscene that i didn't even realize it was him.
I can't be the only one who struggled with N in the base game and dlc right? Man is such a pain in the ass so many hours but enough complaining I loved these games so much
N was the hardest boss in both yea lol
I’d go to say that N was harder than jin and zanza
Yeah I don't remember any fight that was that hard either game
N (and M) gives the death blow to Z so it kinda makes sense.
During climbing up the Black Mountain I was pissed with how hard fights were even on normal difficulty, so I switched to easy mode.
When I reached N I was something around Level 54 I thing, N at 49.
And he still wiped the floor with my party repeatedly......ON EASY!
Just shows that dude NEVER goes Easy.
1:04:35 I LOOOOOVE THIS SCENE. Probably the most badass thing I’ve seen.
“You Take Out The Mobius!, All In Sync!”
Matthew Being Shocked Just Made Me Think…. “Noob!”
Why is Glimmer so much like Mythra? It's simple. When Adam resonated with the Pnuema core crystal, he created a surrogate teenage daughter due to his fears of being a good father coupled with his fears of controlling an Aegis. Glimmer is that teenage daughter realised again as Rex's child.
It's great, I love it.
I’m in chapter 3 and watched the cutscene because I accidently skipped the one where like THE WHOLE LORE WITH PNEUMA, LOGOS AND ONTOS was said.
Now it makes sense why pneuma/mythra/pyra nor Malos are not present. If they were the story wouldn’t exist
wait... are you talking about this one? 1:49:56
@@pinguman13 no I was referring to this one: 1:48:23
you can back out into the main future redeemed menu and go to theater to watch any cutscenes you have "unlocked" so far, tbh going straight to a full upload of the whole game is kind of asking for a spoiler accident to happen lol
1:43:26 holy shit that's some intense voice acting :o Snuffing Excellent
Still can't believe Matthew & Na'el are Vandhams (I can see it in Matthew with Guernica, Monica, & Ghondor, but not much with Na'el). I also realized that in regard to family: Wouldn't it be that Matthew, Na'el, & Glimmer are technically cousins??? Matthew & Na'el are descended from Mio & Mio is descended from Nia; & Nia is the "sister-in-law" with Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma {still gotta say Glimmer has Pyra's hair color & flames, but has Mythra's personality, And has the overall appearance of Pneuma}. But in regard for A, they released some form of official description: "A is in fact a fragment of Alvis, being born from his discarded "conscience" and retaining the memories of Alvis's time with Shulk." I am just not sure if this interpretation means that A is just Alvis or a whole new person born from whatever was left of alvis that was discarded???
Glimmer would be Matthew’s and Na’el’s great-great-aunt
Na'el is vandham yes but she's actually the founder of house Doyle is it kinda makes sense
@@gvinaboy2 I kinda meant through like family bloodline or heritage
@@gvinaboy2 could be through marriage that her last name changes to Doyle
A is alvis but still they’re own entity being the avatar for Aionios. What’s left of Alvis in future redeemed is the AI goal driven side of alvis of actualizing the future as a certainty at the expense of “the old world” and A is like you said Alpha’s conscience that split from him to succeed him as the “Zanza” (the lynchpin that holds Aionios together). I think this is it but let me know if i misinterpreted something from the game. There’s a lot and not a lot at the same time that discussed about the relationship with A and Alpha
I thoroughly enjoyed this DLC, I just wish it was a little longer. There’s still a lot of unanswered questions that I would’ve liked to of known.
They’ll probably be partially answered in the next game’s dlc in a few years, after the next main game brings up a new cast of characters that brings up a million questions. As is tradition.
@@joemarais7683 I've heard that this game was the end of the Klaus saga. They'll probably be more xenoblade games, but I imagine it won't be as connected to the previous games. But I guess we'll see.
@@brianvaira486 Yeah Klaus saga is over. Unless the fourth game takes place on that new world that we see in the post credits...that'll be it.
I think everything tbh is more or less wrapped up pretty nicely, the ending is rife with debates as to what is exactly happening but I think it's fine, everything else actually feels pretty knit together but I definitely think that it's time to put these two worlds and characters to rest and move on, which I guess is kinda the message of the game.
@@brianvaira486 It is the end of the Klaus saga but we know for a fact that this new reunited world will be pretty crazy, it should still have a Conduit somewhere and Origin should still exist housing Shulk and Rex. Also if that blue light at the end is indeed Kos-Mos returning to Lost Jerusalem, then the Universe should have also just ended the Gnosis threat and should be pretty effed up.
I love all of the characters in this dlc
Also Matthew and A make a great couple where Matthew is the brawn while A is the brains
... the future is not set in stone ... it changes with every step
Ok, so from what I can understand:
A is the same Alvis who we met back in Xenoblade 1, just in a new form. And Alpha is just using Alvis' form from that game.
Did I get that right?
Alvis is the Alpha's consciousness. Alpha is just a CPU, as A said he is the arbiter of the trinity processor. Alvis left Alpha after the City events.
From what I understood, Alpha is just Ontos with no personality, just machine function. Ontos needs Pneuma and Logos to make decisions (aka be human) but with them gone, Alpha took on Klaus's regrets and became Alvis. When Zanza was defeated, and with Malos and Mythra in another world, nothing was left to give 'Alvis' feelings so he reverted to Alpha/Ontos again, whose cold logic was to ensure the future occurred, even if it meant wiping out the world. But Ghondor and N using Pneuma and Logos's powers in front of Alpha caused 'Alvis' to split from Alpha as a new form, who is A.
@@boohoo723 holy shit the only comment that makes sense of this super confusing story. it all but confirms N using Logos' power and Ghondor/Matthew using Pneuma's. A did explain that she was born from that clash that Ghondor had with N at the city in front of Alpha/Na'el. the only question is when did Future Redeemed take place? after N destroying the city and M creating new versions of Noah and Mio, AND before Noah and Mio destroying Z and restoring the two worlds back to normal?
@@thiefkingparsley576 Future Redeemed took place after N destroyed the city and before Noah and Mio split off from N and M. So yeah, long before Z is defeated. It takes place 1000 years before Z is defeated. A says it at the end of the DLC.
Both are Alvis, split between his pragmatic and emotional forms, A is the part of Alvis that has feelings and lives the people of Bionis and Mechonis, while Alpha is Alvis stripped of all these emotions.
This is why A is more sarcastic and earnest than Alvis was, she's unhindered by the logical side that kept Alvis restrained, while Alpha is pragmatic to the point of unwitting cruelty, as he's unburdened by the feelings Alvis felt for Shulk and the others.
As a small extra point, A is also Consul A, as much like Moebius it is her intention to preserve the world against Alpha's desire to abandon it, but she's A as in the opposite of Z, because while Z is selfish and evil, A does what she does out of pure intentions.
1:32:30 imagine a parenting book called "how to be a parent when your child most likely believes the word parent refers to some new weapon classification"
I still wish there’s gonna be another game. A final journey that sets everything right, and that the characters from each game are all together where they need to be happy and well from all they’ve been through. See them together with their families.
I am just glad Fei Fong Wong is back, in some way...
2:57:08 We see N with no emotion about what's happening, but deep down he scream with so much hatred about it all.
30:39 love the implications that Na'el can play Bringer of Chaos: Ultimate! on piano and that, at some point, someone composed each of the tracks as we know them in-universe.
The crew popping up in a suburb is peak xenoblade
"He's a heartless machine!"
*Z is typing...*
Ok so, I know people are all sad in the comment section but can we all agree that most of us figured out Glimmer was Rex's daughter because of the hair and the way she talked almost exactly like Mythra?
Or the obvious emerald core crystal on her chest.
I mean I noticed because of the core crystal but she looked like pnuema and had the attitude of mythra and the hair colir of pyra, also wouldnt that mean that glitter is an aegis?
Ever since I played the first game on Wii, this has been my favorite JRPG series of all time
So is it safe to assume that every old party character that we didn't saw again like Reyn, Dromarch, Morag, Sharla, Fiora, etc., they all died in the first battle against Alpha (where Shulk lost his arm and Rex his eye), and they would all eventually come back once Origin reset everything back to normal?
That's what I'm assuming to be the case. Due to the fact of lack of anger in Shulk and Rex both. Our boys have seen some shit and when push comes to shove they will absolutely shove it means protecting the ones they love and the world. Normally they'd probably come back to life but since Alpha has control over Origin and not Melia or Nia or even Ontos when having A. They're locked in a dead state. Complete speculation on some things here but hopes it clears things up!
That's definitely an interpretation one can take, but I think there isn't a really good in-game explanation for this, obviously now we don't want just the old characters but we want something new, but Pneuma's and Logos' core crystals survived anyways and so did Poppi I think they are just off doing other stuff, Melia was also captured before all of this happened as well so some stuff probably also went down against Moebius.
No mostly everyone was absorbed by Alpha.
There's a dialogue with Linka where she says that Rex, Shulk, her, Panacea and such are here because they weren't assimilated by Origin like everyone else
theres a theory that dunban was somehow reborn as ashera since they have the exact same moveset and ashera mentions about an old itch from a previous lifes war wound
Given how Shulk, Rex, and A(or someone) gone, Matthew would become a founder to the new city or weather. My question, what would become of Shulk’s son and Rex’s daughter?
Matthew, Na’el, Glimmer, Nikol, Linka, and Panacea are the six founders of the new City. The statues of Rex and Shulk in the City were placed there instead of Links and Panacea upon their request. The middle plinth where the Oruboros stone stand was originally for A, the seventh member of the squad. But their statue was never made, as their role was intentionally forgotten.
The plinths in the City state all of this. The DLC just reveals the details.
@@ninboy01 riku was seventh founder
I still can't believe that shulk is still here
Gurrenn Lagann moment at the end LOL
THE RIZZ ON REX IS CRAZY
Is the implication of the end of chapter 4 that M doesn’t know about A and Alpha and that Z actually sent N to the city to rid of Alpha and not just to murder all the city folk? Cuz I think In the base game we only get N’s backstory through M’s lens, right? Or am I misunderstanding?
Well yes, pretty much. He still needed to kill city people, but that wasn't just to bring M back to life, but to stop alpha and to save the world from destruction. M didn't know any of it, and N kept quiet about their son death as well, making M resent N. The only one who knows about all of this in base game are N, Z and possibly Noah after N bacame part of him.
He even told Ghondor "it's my burden to bear" so I don't think he ever wanted M to know everything
There is one more who might know... Riku. He also saw the Origin memories when Matthew and N clashed.
@@ch62013 yeah, I think him as well. When Noah and guys were in prison, Riku was the only one who said: "it seems to me, that he had sadness in his eyes" and I won't be surprised if that was the reason, why he gave Noah lucky seven.
@@СофияВихарева-ц2к riku dramatically pretending to cover his mouth in shock when N removes his mask in base game ch. 5
After 1 year of quitting my Xenoblade phase, I got this recommended to me since I’ve been trying to get into the series again. I was like “3 hours of cutscenes just for the dlc of a single game!?” But since I forgot this dlc’s story the most, I decided to watch this entire video. Those 3 hours were worth it. I have completely forgotten how fucking amazing the stories for these games are! I have heard that this game is the true ending of Xenoblade 1 and 2’s stories and an end of a trilogy, but not the series, and this is the perfect way to end it if that’s the case. Alpha, Alvis, or Ontos, whatever you want to refer him as, finally getting what he deserves. Shulk and Rex passing down their legacy to 2 kids in order for them to build a perfect future, and everyone lives happily ever after. There has to be a completely different story if this series continues, there’s just no way they can continue it after this.
What’s interesting is where we started off. We started with Ontos (Alvis) during the first game in the purchase order, then Pneuma in the second game and Logos before ending it the way it began, with Ontos again. Though, in chronological order, we started with Pneuma and Logos before we ended with Ontos.
3:23:31 Headpats galore.
Imagine all the your mom jokes Rex could make to Glimmer "Hey, that sword is really powerful, what's it called?" "Your Mom"
When you think about it.... matthew saved his great step-grandaunt and his sister ended up founding a city with her as well as well as both meeting their ancestor (Glimmer; her father, and Matthew & Nael; their great great grandfather
Before I dive into these cutscenes can someone please let me know if Rex ever goes into detail about his relationship(s) with Nia, Pyra or Mythra? Or even if there shown together?
Sadly, no. He doesn't even call either by name. He just refers to "them"
Doesn't really go into detail, however, in the affinity scenes whenever they are mentioned (named or not) he talks in a sadder tone since they are not here. Specially Nia, since she is hidden from Moebius for many years.
Anytime N is on screen his swordsmanship and Harry's performance absolutely steal the show.
I have a theory. Could the fog king from future connected just be Alpha but a different form. Because when Alpha turned from his Alvis form to that machine we he transforms it looks like the fog king
God I should have played xenogears and xenosaga before this
Maybe i'm just dumb that really enjoy happy endings or japanese really love open endings and people make their own guests, I just wanted a DLC that shows Noah and Mio reunited I guess this is the final expansion content of this game and we won't see any of that, i'm a little disappointed
I think most people assume they have happy endings. The devs just decided not to show it directly.
Bro this game had INSANE LORE and depth of complexity. Is THAT what you are so hang up on? Jesus. DLC 4 was one of the most profound DLC experiences of my life wrapping up this trilogy perfectly.
@@Arda-dq4rt i agree
@@leos8813 yeah is a shame but oh well, it is what it is
at least we got to see shulk and rex one more time i really did not expect that
In the main game... in the opening... is the town Noah and them in as kids Gran Dell since they are just outside Alcamoth?
So at the end, the worlds were separated, but they ended up coalescing into a single, perfect, whole again?
That's how I interepret it, yeah!
No. That would be pointless. See, Aionios IS NOT what many people assume it is. It is not the moment of the physical intersection. It is COMPLETELY a virtual reality in a different dimension made by 2 arks of Origin prior to physical intersection. As the final cutscene of DLC 4 shows, it vibrates and comes into 'reality' from a new dimension where Aionios was created 'virtually' by Z stopping the flow of time dimension from the real world as a result of this space time anomaly. When Origin booted up normally after Z's death in XC3, the virtual Aionious (2 planets of Alrest and Bionis) separated from each other in a virtual fashion - remember Noah and Mio running towards each other -just like it shows at the end of dlc 4 cutscene. The 'virtual planets' coincides with the real location of the planets just before the physical intersection. Time resumes.Planets collide. Light appears. And New existence of Origin reboots at the very end. This is an EXTREMELY sophisticated understanding of XC3 and DLC 4 many people wont be able to make the connection for many MANY more months. People still think Aionios was the time frozen at the physical intersection point which is the wrong conclusion. It creates inconsistencies like you complain here 'They got separated so that they can get into a whole again?' sort of unexplainable and dumb issues arise due to not understanding the game well enough. You are absolutely right. There is no reason or rhyme why it seperated first to become whole. It could have been become whole right away as it was already half morphed. But that couldnt happen since Aionios WASNT the moment of physical intersection but a mere VR existence. That resides one of the hardest XC3 plot twists to see and unravel. DLC 4's ending cutscene kinda helps you btw. To see how planets arise out of invinsible and imaginary space. before seperating.
@Arda ok I read that but you lost me, normally I don't ask this but.....dumb it down a little?
@@garreonlefay6703 OK. 2 key assumptions you have are overturned radically:
1- Aionios is completely a VR existence in a separate dimension of space time.
2- Physical intersection of the planets (Bionis and Alrest) havent occured yet! PS: Please check chp 10 (in XC3) right after killing Z, while our party look at 2 Planets frozen in time looking over garden. Yes. Those 2 planets are alrest and bionis frozen in time right after Z's interjection via Ark photon communication. He stripped the time dimension of reality by causing a space time anomaly (aionios) using Origin's data and Ontos's core processor). But Ontos IS corrupted after the death of Klaus so the events of DLC 4 occurs ;)
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Observe how planets come into existence and separate both in XC3 (mio and noah running towards each other) and DLC 4 ending as planets vibrate from 'imaginary space' after the rebooting of Origin.
Let me know if you wanna hear more. This is the true story of XC3 and DLC 4 which is not that easy to see when the game is showing 'XC1 and XC2 matter morphed' AS IF Aionios is the moment of physical intersection. But it is not. It is a new dimension generated by Z to stop the collision of the physical planets in fear of what will happen.
@@Arda-dq4rt so what I got is:
The worlds were stopped before they could intersect, creating Aionios in a separate dimension frozen in time. Then at the end of XC3 the people from Aionios fade back into their original worlds, before the worlds crash into a beam of light, and Origin reboots the worlds into one world (seen at the end of FR). Is that about right?
1:05:17 I could swear that screeching sound effect was used at some point in Xenogears.
2:01:31. That moment.
That instrumental flite at the end credits ... definitely reminds me of "xenogears" ost "broken mirror" ... definitely from the same makers or line or something ~ i love it~
Same composer. Yasunori Mitsuda.
3:24:16 "Thanks a lot, 'Alvis'."
So who wants to explain why Pnuema and Logos are just core Crystals inlaid onto weapons whilst Alvis is still a being? Also what happens to the gauntlets Matthew had? Some say that Lucky 7 was built from the gauntlets ( containing pnuema’s core Crystal and Logos’s crystal which I thought was destroyed in Xenoblade 2 ) but Logos is clearly in N’s hands. So why people saying that lucky seven is both aegis’s made into one weapon? I also seen that Riku’s master had already made Lucky 7 and instructed him to give it to a person he deemed worthy of it. The gloves existed at the same time as lucky 7 in this game and so this contradicts the theory that Noah’s sword is Pnuema. That I keep hearing all over the place. Wherever Matthew took the gloves and whomever he passed them onto is where Pnuema truly resides. And I intend to know. We must know where she resides and honestly what happens to them all when the world is remade? Do all our favorites come back to life and rebuild the world together? Or is another reality made where it’s as if they were never split before in the first place? Thus Pnuema, Logos, Antos, and the Bionis mechonis, and the characters never were made to begin with? 🥺 this last possibility saddens my heart, but it’s definitely a possibility. I wish we knew more and hope to god that we get a new game that includes explanations and or all of our beloved cast members in one game with a new quest. Maybe invaders from other realities or a new planet entirely. “ Aka War of the Worlds “ many worlds one sky. One destiny. Constant war. Ok now I’m starting to sound like War Hammer lore. I’m gunna shut up now. 😅
Logos core in N's sheath, Pneuma core in the gauntlets, the gauntlets become Noah's sheath in the main game, they become a big gauntlet for Noah's left hand when he unleashes Lucky seven though.
Lucky seven uses the power of all 7 party members of XC1. It was made by Melia. That's it. Ah, and, I guess it's sharp. Very, very, very sharp.
@@arminarlelt7471 see I didn’t know Melia made it. That helps a ton
40k lore and Xenoblade lore: "I have no idea what I am doing"
The popular theory is that Matthew's "Fists of the End" (containing the power of Pneuma) hitting N's Sword of the End (with the power of Logos) is the event that causes Noah to be reborn in the cycle possessing both powers combined
Something tells me that is Mythras daughter
So, Shulk became blond haired mechanic Dunban, and Rex became Zeke without an eyepatch and much less comical? Huh.
3:36:06 Wonder if that's the White Whale crashing down onto "Mira."
The radio DID mention Project Exodus.
All this time I thought X was the earliest part of the timeline, turns out it was the latest.
@@christianboustani8284 Xenoblade X had to be the latest in the timeline because there are things in that game that existed only after the phase transition event that started everything. For example, the existence of the Telethia, which were created by Zanza, which could only happen after Xenoblade 1.
However, the Project Exodus mentioned in Future Redeemed seems to be different from the one shown to us in XCX. The reasons why Project Exodus were started and the overall state of affairs in the world were very different from what was shown to us in XCX. XCX shows us that Project Exodus was started in preparation for the day when Earth would be caught in the crossfire between the Samaar Federation and the Ghosts, none of which is even hinted to on the radio in FR. There are also technologies like the Artifices of Xenoblade 2, that didn't exist in XCX. The Ganglion also imply that humans had existed long before the events of XCX as a space-faring race, with the humans of Earth being created as a failsafe for keeping the servants they created under control. So with all of this in mind, XCX's Project Exodus and the Project Exodus mentioned in FR have to be separate events.
I like how A is done with Matthew’s crap
Okay...so...I understood most of that.
But I have no idea why the two kids were important or who they were supposed to be in a prior life or whatnot. Glimmer had Pyra's stone, but so did Matthew, so...none of that makes any sense. The Grandad was the one who kind of blew up the city all this time, not N (well, sorta...), and also split A and Alpha. But I don't understand why Alpha wanted Matthew specifically (if it wanted Pyra's chip, it should also have wanted the other one...yet didn't?), and why Matthew and Glimmer both have it. And for that matter why Rex DOESN'T have part of it in some way considering he once had part of it from Pyra bonding with him to save his life. And I have no idea who Nokol is supposed to be. I've not played Xeno1 but know theh general story beats, but I'm not sure who he was supposed to be, nor why Rex and Shulk were talking about seeing them grow up again.
...so confused. Still feel like something's missing...
Though I DO get that Matthew is Vandham, so...at least I get THAT part......
Rex lost the Core Crystal at the end of XC2 so that tracks. Glimmer is his and Pyra's child so she has the crystal. I'm not 100% about the explanation but the crystal that Matthew has isn't his but in his weapon. With Malos being part of N's sword it makes sense. I suppose Pyra and Mythra both embody the core crystal in Matthew's weapon since many people's soul were present in Aionios buy as weapons. For example: Fiora was hinted (and pretty much confirmed) to be in Noah's Lucky Seven.
And if you haven't noticed yet, Glimmer and Nikol are the children of Rex and Shulk respectively. Rex - Pyra and Shulk - Fiora.
They grew up in their worlds so both of them got to see them growing up but then Z took over Origin and Aionios was created, splitting them off. Rex often hints at Pyra and Mythra being *not here* so they're at least somewhere.
Ghondor wanted to split Alpha from Na'el but only managed to split off A who is basically Alvis from XC1. N still destroyed the city and slaughtered most of the City folks.
@@NeptuniaMorgan That makes some more sense, thank you. Still a lot going on to try and follow. :D
21:34 The One At The Beginning
I wish they would have released this physically like they didnfor torna.
Elden Ring fan in me listening to the voices: Oh hi Dog pope, oh hi Blaidd, oh hi Bernahl....
I'm adding this comment because it seems most people misunderstand the whole deal with Pneuma's core.
Look at the scene again: the core only appears in that moment, it wasn't there all along. And it is transparent, because it's not the actual, physical core, but just a manifestation of Pneuma's power.
Consider also that A says that what make Matthew's gauntlets special is that they contain Origin metal, not a core crystal. And Riku explained that Origin metal can contain the souls and memories of the people just like Origin, and that Lucky Seven contains the soul of someone important for Melia.
So, just like Lucky Seven contains Fiora's soul (as confirmed by Takahashi himself), the Origin metal in Matthew's gauntlet contains both Mythra's and Pyra's, and that is why Pneuma's power can manifest.
Mythra and Pyra themselves, just like Fiora and everyone else, are among the people assimilated by Origin, which was managed by Ontos alone. But since Origin metal works as it does, they manifested in Aionios like that.
All this take a toll on me 22:52
I can feel it.
3:27:43: Sengoku Basara, anyone?
LETS GO REXXXXX!!!
So basically none of them would be living if pnuema and logos werent in that machine thingy? I was really hoping to see poppy or nia at their base camp lmfao. I also thought it was sweet how rex mentioned how vhandam had a scar across his eye too
He could have also been referring to Zeke
@@bagelgod946 yea true but rex also mentioned that he really looked up to the guy with the scar so i really think it was vhandam cayse he didnt really look up to zeke yk
@@blakesabin8297Zeke did give him good lessons on being a man during the time though. Rex was just a boy during his time back in Alrest.
Can someone explain the falling blue dot thing at the end is it elma? kos-mos? the conduit? wtf!!!
Xenosaga ep3 kosmos falling to earth
It is an easteregg, it is nothing officially and just room to speculate.
I think it may be Elma :)
It could also be something entirely new for XC4
@@nicholasstacey6146 won’t be a chronicles 4. Klaus story is pretty much over
Hey guys. I'm a big fan of xenoblade and I have some difficulty understanding the events because I don't know much English. I am Brazilian. I want to know what you hear with dunban, fiora, reyn and the rest of the characters. What happened to them? They died? Can they come back to life? How did they die? Who killed them? I will feel grateful to receive help from you.
I think Dunban and all of Shulk and Rex's friends are all stored in Origin!! They're safe so don't worry 🥹
A lore viajou tanto que os eventos de Xeno 3 se passam apenas em “alguns segundos no mundo real” enquanto Aionios é uma espécie de simulação e os personagens vivem em um loop eterno de guerra. Dunban, Fiora e todos outros personagens provavelmente estão vivos enquanto o tempo real está parado. O motivo pelo qual Shulk e Rex não envelhecem é porque eles estão meio que “parados no tempo” também (mesmo que o Matthew seja literalmente um tataraneto do Rex)
Where is the scene? Where someone asks Matthew if he’s OK and he says no but he still has to keep going on?
1:30:14 I know what you are!!!
HAHAHA OUR BOYS ARE BACK !!
nice
YOOOOOOOO five likes im famous
did i spell that right?
prob not
@@RED-247 Take my sixth you madlad
@@RED-247 Have my seventh.
And no, your "YOOOOOOOO" has 2 "O"'s too much, you accidentally declared war somewhere on an alien planet, so you didn't spell that right. Except if this war was your intention, then you did.
…Sulk and the others are alive when Origin resets the new world, right? If so, would they have their memory?
I’m too lazy to play the side story, so I’m going to watch all the cutscenes instead.
Sinse glitter has an emerald core crystal in her chest from pyra, wouldnt that maje her an aegis?
While i really did enjoy the story it is very messy and confusing in alot of ways. Based off what the game insinuates it feels like the swords of the end and beginning and matthews fist of the end are made up from the power of Pyra Mythra and Malos, im assuming N's swords is malos, Matthews fists are Pyra and Noahs sword is Mythra im guessing this since the swords are the true counter parts like Mythra and Malos and the fist is an off shoot of the swords which would mean Pyra. And thats all well and good but how them do the swords power and by extention the swords exist ,if Malos died at the end of 2 and P/M arent a thing anymore and is forshadowed to have taken on the role of the combined Worlds Avatar along with Alvis and Now Shulk and Rex? The only guess i can figure is Ontos/ Alvis' core crystal still had information for Malos for him to be recreated and Pyra and Mythra assumed the role just as we see Shulk and Rex did? But also something else that is confusing is in terms of everything is how does any of the Aegis' core cyrstals still have reality changing power if the source of it all disappeared at the end of 2. And Pneuma used the rest of it to blow up Elysium? Even in the case of Shulk's world Alvis himself knew time was running out for shulk to remake his world so we can assume alvis used the last of his portion of the power on that? There are alot more questions for sure but those are my main ones.
While i really enjoy the crossover elements of XBC3 I do feel like alot of the lore from 1 and 2 mixing together is very confusing and dragged the story down a bit. I also dont like how the XB2 characters and lore felt like they had more of a importance to the story than XBC1 characters and lore did I know alvis played a huge part in the dlc but even so it still all tied back mostly to Xbc2 lore and as far as seeing Shulk and Rex in a leadership role it felt like Rex was more of the leader in charge and like he was the more focused on one than Shulk despite Shulk being the canonical older and more experienced one. I just wish that 3 felt more of like a mix of 1 and 2 and not like 2 with elements of 1 being present. All in all 3 is still a very enjoyable story to watch and experience and i look forward to seeing how the reset and formed world story plays out in a possible 4. Although part of me feels like maybe it hinted at XBC X taking place in the future of the reformed worlds idk why but it just gave me those vibes.
Considering Shulk has to fight Zanza (basically god) and ended up losing his arm to Alvis it’s clear he’s more worn out compared to Rex. Not to mention Shulk’s powers relied more so on his visions which he lost after beating Zanza. It’s even briefly discussed in this dlc between A and Shulk how Shulk’s still yearns to have the ability to have visions and how since he feels like he has less courage than he used to because of this.
Rex is still kicking ass probably because of his positive attitude. When it’s discussed how he lost his eye he doesn’t seem bothered and actually kinda likes it cause a mentor of his had an eye thing. Plus, in his game he didn’t have to fight his creator so he’s not really worn out.
Yes, you’re right about pneuma (Mythra/Pyra) and Logos (Malos) being recreated from origin/Alvis since Aionios is made of the memories of the two worlds given how the mechonis sword is intact despite being destroyed in X1 and other such areas too.
The reason why XC3’s story seems like it has more lore elements from 2 than 1 is because 2 inadvertently expanded the lore of one with the beanstalk and the trinity processor. I know aesthetically the game world and music is almost a perfect split between bionis and alrest but the more of XC3 is just adding to Klaus trilogy to complete it. It doesn’t need to be perfectly split because it’s trying finalize the grand narrative.
So the thing about Logos and Pneuma still having powers has less to do with lore continuity (which can technically be discarded because Aionios is a separate world from post alrest and post bionis worlds) and they have more to do with Neoplatonist aesthetic theme of the soul, the mind, and reality (pneuma, logos, and ontos).
Pneuma works with Mathew and Noah because they’re stories are fundamentally the spirit of overcoming in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds.
And Logos works well with N because N is fundamentally driven by total rationality. In order to allow him to be with M forever he perpetuates the “endless now” by any means necessary which a basically his and his lovers way of surviving which is inherently logical.
How pneuma and logos relate to Ouroboros is when N tells Mathew to drive his fist into the sword which combines spirit (the stand things in the dlc) with logic (which actual uses the spirits and their fusion through some fictional physics) to make the xenogear- I mean the thing at the end that delivers the finishing blow to Alpha .
I understand your mild dissatisfaction with XC3, but in my opinion I think if you view the trilogy as a whole rather than competitor one can argue that this is honestly peak fiction and one of the most enthralling stories a game has ever attempted. And, without a doubt the story of XC3 and especially its dlc has some of the most peak xenoblade moments.
Is this DLC event happened before or after the base game of xenoblafe 3?
before. at this point, N had just destroyed the first City and it was before Matthew and the other founders created the Second City at the Mechonis Sword. the Noah and Mio we know in the base game don't exist yet, and interlinking hasn't been invented yet.
plus in the main game, Origin is located in the centre of Aionios, but there's a whole region of Aionios in the same spot that's exclusive to the DLC and Origin isn't physically there until near the end. after Alpha was defeated and after Shulk, Rex, and A offer themselves as a pseudo trinity processor to replace the core of Origin to keep it running, Origin crashes into Aionios and wipes out the region surrounding it, including XC1 colony 9 and Prison Island.
I don't know if it's established, but I find it kinda odd that the two consuls that die in chapter 1 somehow reappear in the main game. I thought the main game established that once a Moebius dies, they die for good.
I think the Moebius that appear in the DLC are just simply different Moebius, different beings. As we see at the end of the main game during the first part of Z's fight, he summoned a lot of Moebius to be there in the audience, obviously more than just the 26 letters of the alphabet.
Also, in the voice credits of Future Redeemed, the roles are called "(Past) Moebius ...".
So I think we can just assume that the Moebius that died here are entirely different Moebius than the ones in the main game :)
"nothing to ruin our happiness" girl in the background there are people against human rights.
Hold up... there was implication of REAL cannibalism. The one guy said strip their corpses and "we'll be eating good tonight." So either they were gonna sell the clothes or were planning to eat them.... or both
They probably were thinking of claiming their life force. I don’t think they realize the difference between City and non City in terms of claiming life. Remember, under the flame clock they are unaware and clueless of many things
I’m just gonna say it I think Crys and Nikol are brothers
Bruh, alpha kinda looking like Sauron not gonna lie
17:19 jin kazama: hey you ripoff my fists
Would anyone happen to know which song is used in the cutscene at 8:00?
I believe it's called Suffocating Reverberation
Anyone know the song at 3:24:25?
Did I miss another DLC?
What song plays at 3:18:47 ?
Congregating lives.
Matthew kinda reminds me of "him"
Fei fong wong
@brion shut up
ty
blo i thought after the main game the fighting and flame clocks where meant to be stopped
When did Rex suddenly become so buff?
Dude's a scavenger. His entire job is picking up heavy things and doing lots of manual labor. Plus the dude was fighting to save the world against giant robots and evil popes while using a sword the same size as he is.
Frankly I'm more surprised he was such a skinny kid in XC2.
WHY DUD YOU SPOILERME THE END WITH THE THUMBNAIL
Lol and Matthew never returned… poor Nael
The first thing I did was randomly skipping to 52:00
They need to start putting the dlc with the games that’s really annoying buying them separately
Expansion pass was always there, we were warned way before Xenoblade 3 even launched.
Nah fam they deserve that money bag
with that packed main game (at least 100 hours if you try to finish everything, yes everything) and you still complain that it is not bundled into one. although the main game could use some improvement though
Rex is older or just taller than Shulk
Pretty sure Shulk is older, Rex is just tall
Shulk's older by 3 years (in 1 and 2, Shulk is 18 and Rex is 15).
Lol, my headcanon is that Rex hadn't hit puberty yet