I paid for the ultimate edition and expected to get AT LEAST every content for the first year of the game. I was so shocked when I logged in and saw Genmaji Temple locked as it wasn't included along with owning Heihachi 🤦🏻♂️
While egregious this situation doesnt hold a candle to them locking the ability to take control of your character in replays of matches against dlc characters you didnt want to play therefore didnt buy. Tekken has always had knowledge checks but this seems like they now use those same checks to punish you for not blindly throwing money at them
Facts I'd rather have the high damage problem people complained about rather than that bs that came in T7 and T8, TTT2 had a true learning curve and skill gap T8 is just overwhelming offensive pressure and no true thought just Unga bunga with special get out of jail free cards.
TT2 was an amazing entry with the most of amount of DL C content characters stages and customization.... I'm not sure if it was free but I played it during lockdown was the most fun I had in a long time.
Guys dont buy this map. Its the only way to send a message to namco. They have gone way to far with this. If you paid for the ultimate edition then this should be free
Or Total War warhammer 3. People got angry, people dropped the game and skipped 1 game and 1 Dlc HARD, and CA fired a bunch of marketing fucks and apologised profusely, and backtracked to fix their shit broken DLC. big win for the community
Difference is No Man's Sky and CP2077 were developed by western companies. Tekken is Japanese and people in suits making decisions in Japanese companies are out of touch with reality.
As a (former) game dev, it is rarely our fault when it comes to stuff like this. Publishers and upper management are the real issue: they drain the passion out of everyone naive enough to work for a way below market average salary. Most talented game devs leave because they would rather earn triple the hourly rate developing literally anything else, not having to deal with incompetent project leads, and preserving your love for the gaming industry. That leaves AAA with juniors and the people who are afraid of/unable to speak up. I know it's a widely accepted umbrella term, but start projecting that hate towards game execs/publishers, not the devs.
@@frkkmnt I was trying to get into game dev so I picked up C# and Unity and at the end of the day, I opted to put my efforts back into basic bitch FEWD (Front End Web Dev) because the pay is infinitely for a job that isn't creatively stimulating. Sucks man.
Their response will be to give pass/edition holders the stage. Everyone will praise them for listening to feedback. Oh and btw buy this other useless tack. We're trapped in a cycle.
Tekken 7 all over, 120 bucks for deluxe but then charge 8 bucks for 15 characters each. Plus 10 stages.. But it was cus ttt2 did bad, so now its for what? Jeez
@@nohat1375If you want to be good tho you need the characters, you cant even pick them in p-mode. wtf is up with that? I dont have, right, still disgusting.
@michaelmurray6577 good how? You can be plenty good not knowing every match up. Just cant be twt good but lets be honest. Do you even want to be twt good? Are you trying to make tekken your job?
After over 1k hrs in T7, I spent a whopping 27 hrs in T8 and decided it was best to uninstall it. Glad to see that was the correct choice. Heat was not designed to be an engaging system in the long term, the balancing is bad, and the game is riddled with monetization. All ingredients to make sure I get that sh*t the fck off of my PC. I guess at this point I'm just puzzled. T7 sold over 10 mil, and they decide to do everything in their power not to build upon what was working.
"Its not the devs' fault its the upper management." Imagine getting robbed then the robber shouted "sorry man its not my fault the boss told me to do it" as he flee. would you just accept it and go i guess it cant be helped ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
how do people become robbers? surely they living a great life that FORCES them in such conditions that they cannot not to rob at this point it time. devs are hold hostage? maybe they're not as vocal or dont want to lose their jobs? no sense if unity? we do not know. i dont see people quitting companies due to them being forced to make games with predatory schemes.
Thanks for featuring my Reddit Post mate! It was a bit of a "late night" ramble, so the grammar is a bit rough. I've been on a similar wave length to you since launch, the game has been a SHAMBLES and Bandai Namco deserve a seat next to Ubisoft/EA for DOGSHIT company of the Year Award. They have pulled LITERALLY every single trick from the "Modern AAA" textbook in only 9 MONTHS, it's comical. What's ironic is that im such a huge advocate of not buying BIG BOY EDITIONS, PRE-ORDERING, BUYING MTX etc, and THE ONE time i decide to induldge myself (buying the Ult Edition). I INSTANTLY get bent over and ass rammed... Oh, the irony! :D
I’ve supported Tekken by purchasing a least three copies per entry since 2009. I’m still upset that I bought the limited collectors edition that was almost $400 because Harada said there would be no restocks after it sold out…. Literally, two months or so later … they restocked and offered it away for 50% off…
Man when the cosmetic store arrived i thought of it as a neccesary evil. A way for supporters to throw some cash their way for clearly overpriced cosmetics. In the end my reasoning saw that players would be allowed more value over time since so many would put more money into the game. Now they remove value for what ive already payed for (season pass). Feel scammed buying the garbage and insanely overpriced cosmetics when they feel the need to REMOVE value.
2028: TEKKEN 9 for $79.99 (PS6), game includes following: - main menu - options menu - tekken 1 character select bgm - elua agrement - 1 playable character: lars in pink outfit - 1 selectable stage: tekken 1 windermere - tekken store
"Lets take the live service business model, except instead of paying for further development and the servers off cosmetic sales we'll just charge for the updates too! And double dip on the season pass! People will love it! Genius!" - Bamco, probably
I was just stunned, when I found out the temple stage was paid DLC, I thought it was free with Heihachi character DLC. I feel like this is scam. I paid for ultimate edition. Tekken 8 is the last tekken I will ever buy. I am so dissappointed with namco's greedy ways.
In Russian there is a rpoverb which goes: лох не мамонт, лох не вымрет. Which can be translated as a sucker ain't a mammoth, a sucker will never extinct. This whole situation made me remember that as I saw people write negative reviews under that stage DLC. They had to buy the thing in the first place. As of now the last one states that he/she won't even be able to play it anyways as most people don't buy it and both players have to own it. The fact that these idiots bought it in the first place makes the probability for the stage becoming free very close to 0%. If it does due to immense backlash they diserved to be ripped off.
With the crazy amount of megatransactions that this game has, you would think they would at least give the people who help make Tekken what it is today something 😂. Waaayyyy too many transactions...calm down, dammm Bandai Moneyco
The writing was on the wall already when the producer was tweeting asking if people really thought side stepping was important. And yet people preordered the game anyway.
Zero sympathy for people on that reddit because they're the same clown emojis that dumped on anyone who said anything remotely negative about Tekken 8 around it's release. Even shat on you at one point around the time you said you quit the game. Now all of the sudden, they've had a change of heart and now they don't like the game anymore. They can get in the bin with the rest of them.
So many of my friends who play Tekken don't understand how I felt about making Heihachi DLC, and they all said that I was overreacting/being old for pointing out what I thought was obvious -- that making Hei a DLC character was all for the hype machine, and equates to if Capcom made Ryu a dlc character in SF6. I didn't buy the "season pass" or "ultimate edition" because I felt that Tekken did not deserve my money/the benefit of the doubt, but after this spectacle, I'm uninstalling. If they fix the netcode and the matchmaking and actually implement changes that work (where the hell is online training mode and where the hell is infinite rematch in casuals?) I'll reinstall, but knowing this company, they'll bundle all of these things into a 20 dollar DLC called "the professional expansion". This is unacceptable.
Sellout as always. If he wants his comfortable life while farting on his gaming chair, yeah, let's listen to them and praise the product. It'll end one day and they all will be broke.
@@CosmicVoid420He's not as bad as KSwiss and TMM. Kswiss got butthurt when I called out Harada's bs excuses, behavior towards fans and money hungry tactics. If dude wants to be a Namco glazer, I'll just laugh it off 😂😂🤣🤣.
You still don't understand, do you? They PHYSICALLY CAN NOT support the game servers for 2 thousand people without deluxe edition, cash shop, battle pass, in-game chipotle nike korean glasses ads, irl collabs, figures, paid characters, paid arenas. They are not charity and they don't demand much
Yep. Could equally be true, that the devs have actual authority over this and want to make the bigwigs happy with sale numbers and not actually the bigwigs demanding it. We do not know. I know , that i deem it highly unlikely that back in tekken 7 a bigwig came in and demanded the frame data on leroy should be that overpowered. At the end of the day its dogshit and the people who are saying „its not the devs fault , they are just earning food for their cute family, i am not going to buy it tho.“ … oh? So the poor devs are forced to do it, but now you don’t want to give them more money for their poor families, because at the end of the day it’s dogshit no matter what? Yea its … really just cope.
I can only think of South Park, "We're sorry." I can't wait to see $20 stage. $10 to open the wall break + $10 for the floor break. $5 per use stage hazard. I started the year wanting to stick to tekken, imma go back to sf6.
1:51:41 It’s contradictory to hold Namco accountable for their decisions if you believe in determinism. Their monetization strategies and lack of balance are the results of an uninterruptable chain of past events, right? Yet, you discuss them as if they could have made different choices, which implies that you believe in free will. If that’s not the case, then complaining about their actions doesn’t make sense since those actions couldn’t have been changed. I agree with your criticisms of Tekken, but I’m confused about how you can support determinism while suggesting that the situation could have been avoided. Sorry if I put words in your mouth and didn’t understand well. I would love for you to explain it. Best tekken content creator so far!
I got downvoted to hell for mentioning Harada's history of lying and how they dumped the responsibility of Blue Protocol's failure onto Tekken 8. People are rightfully angry but it's also self inflicted by a community that has no competition in the 3D space, never speaking out against bullshit like paid frame data or the completely 180 on "never charging for legacy character's, etc. Tekken 8 isn't the worst product in the world but they actively do stuff to make it as unfun as possible.
You should be grateful they didn't charge at least $10 for the stage seeing as you only paid $120 for the Ultimate Edition and spent at least another $20 on other useless garbage. In fact you should send money to each of the Namco employees as a thank you for this low low price of $5 for such a beautiful stage. Tekken fans are too spoiled and doesn't deserve any of this. Only $5 dollars !!!
I just hope the ppl that are upset don't still spend money on this. The MK community complained about costumes prices but still bought items regardless. Gotta vote with your wallet.
It's a long video, so i dont know if this is mentioned anywhere, but i find it funny how i haven't read anything about early access being scammy as hell. It's not early access. It's normal access, the character is out and ready. It's only LATE access for the rest of us who dont want to pay extra. Namco is way too greedy with this game, it's not debatable anymore
This makes me more sound in the decision to pirate. There was a sale on steam and i considered buying but something told me not to. Bamco Marketing will nickle and dime the loyalists fot every damn cent. Tekken Project the devs -- as they say are caught between a rock and hard place. This is TEKKEN dying infront of us in real time.
The crazy part that this game is only ten months long but compared to T7 8 year run, it feels way longer. Which since not even a year passed, it's not good. It means it's dragging.
@@falconeshield fact. also what no one noticed, lydias stage his just the tekken ball stage, harada knew he couldnt sell a stage which is already in-game for 5usd. this genmaji stage scandal sounds like a predatory deliberate scam. i messaged him @harada_TEKKEN with a link to the recent steam reviews which were mostly all negative and he deleted my reply to my post and blocked me. this man is a scammer! i have no respect for him and will continue to pirate for each update. screw him.
21:53 I dont think people like Phidx are saying you should HAVE to care about the inner workings of the dev team and bandai namco and how that might be affecting monetisation, I think he's just trying to offer another perspective and giving an explanation as to why he's more sympathetic. I just feel like energy should also be spent educating people and reminding them how micro transactions work in gaming rn rather than JUST demanding change, because there's gonna be enough people who continue to buy this stuff (some because they actually want to) which will make change unlikely. And I also think it's wasted energy to demonise people who are in whatever way defending or trying to explain the practices, since I'd assume it's the sales numbers mostly that will dictate decisions. I'm not saying you can't disagree with people but idk why people assume ill intent just because we have different opinions. Like the hostility I see from people on both sides is silly on topics like this because a lot of whether you're prepared to pay for something comes down to personal choices and preferences, it's not objective. By all means speak out against it if you don't agree with the decisions but I think its also important to remind people to ask themselves things like "if you buy the deluxe edition now and it doesn't include some other paid content that you'd have to buy separately, would you be ok with that?" That gives people info and helps them hold off on decisions they might regret later. But only focusing on how people NOW feel screwed over I don't think is the optimal way to create change if that's the goal because the money has been got so it's too late in some ways. My main point is I don't think it's fair to demonise people who are explaining why they don't have a problem with something (when it's preference based like whether you are happy with a product or not), as if they are now responsible for you being unhappy with it. I haven't really disagreed with that much of what you've said this video tbf tho.
I don't care about buying stuff if I enjoy what I'm buying but only if the game is good and tekken 8 is shit. I'm seeing people say don't buy this stage to prove a message? I haven't bought anything because why would I buy a character to lab against if the game is riddled with too many mechanics? I don't need convincing it's pretty simple.
I've been sick of this kind of behaviour since they added the store. Even when I was hyped and got tekken 8 when it came out the box said "day one edition", and it was kind of a warning because of course it's day one edition it's release day! Please continue to post these videos, I think it's invaluable.
I feel like a chump for buying the ULTIMATE EDITION, this game straight up giving me PTSD for getting the max priced version of a game, never again😢. Bamco literally laughing like Frame at 0:41 😂.
OHH NOOO YOU FEEL LIKE A CHUMP. OHH NOO NOT YOUR PRIDE NOOOO. NOOO YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE A COOL GUY WHO ALWAYS SPENDS HIS MONEY RIGHT YES!!! I HAVE GREAT PRIDE IN HOW I SPEND MY MONEY!!! THATS WHAT MAKES ME SPECIAL :)))
Surely Namco must have forseen this backlash? Dumb decision. The battle pass is still trash too of course. Might as well make the game subscription based like an MMORPG.
T8 was my first Tekken. I can see the makings of a great game buried beneath mismanagement, micro transactions and Bamco’s greed. Tekken deserves better.
Just showed up to confirm it's gone too. I imagine Namco didn't like how he implied he'll set the publishing team straight, but it also sucks because it probably means selling stages separately from season passes won't change as a practice.
I need to satisfy that competitive itch so I started playing chess.. that’s how badfighting games are nowadays they are piss easy, dumbed down and the developers clearly aren’t passionate about the art like the old ones
36:00 not a video game producer but Games Workshop operates this way and has led to some very poor decisions. Particularly hosing the consumer even more aggressively.
I love ya bro I really do. But it kinda hypothetical when you talk about ppl disrespecting their customers, and you can't edit out your bathroom breaks?? Lol. Do better! I enjoy your takes and your boldness to say it! See ya in the next one, brother !❤
This is simply ridiculous now... no other words.. just ridiculous. They are charging for the stage now. I can understand about the characters, but a stage?? Really??? Actually it should have been free for everyone. But let's forget that for now. If they couldn't do that much, then at least they should have made it free for the deluxe and ultimate edition users. But no... they can't do that either. I don't know how much further Bamco will stoop low, and how much they are thinking of stooping. But looking at it, it seems that they are not going to desist from their activities. Moreover, there are still some people who are still supporting this scummy, greedy behavior by Bamco. Instead of pointing out this problem, they are blindly admiring Bamco for minor things, like being able to put their main characters in the main menu screen, new halloween items in tekken shop, etc. Shame on them. btw... As soon as I watched this video for 1 minute, I also started laughing with you. The scenario being the most funny, and most satirical at the same time, with you opening 9 reddit tabs of people complaining about the paid stage, and the utter silence in the first 30 seconds, then followed by the ironical laughter for the next 30 secs. 😂😂😂💔💔🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It's fine you don't think you're responsible to give the developers the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn't mean you have to be a dick poking at people like PhiDx. As you said, we don't know.
I've never spent money on DLC or a stage and I never will. I already bought the game so if i enjoy the game ill continue to play BUT we definitely should talk about the predatory behavior. Kinda sucks that you and pdx have equals views that we dont know who to blame the developers or bamco. Either way just dont buy.
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yeah, it would be nice to buy game and recieve finalized product, like in good ol days of ps2.
You mean like Tekken 5's Steve lol?
@@tokyobassist ok, tekken 5 did need some balance patches and post-launch maintanence ..cant complain about updates of such nature.
@@m3thlovin You mean like buying a whole different game instead of DLC like in the case of Tekken 5 DR?
I paid for the ultimate edition and expected to get AT LEAST every content for the first year of the game. I was so shocked when I logged in and saw Genmaji Temple locked as it wasn't included along with owning Heihachi 🤦🏻♂️
While egregious this situation doesnt hold a candle to them locking the ability to take control of your character in replays of matches against dlc characters you didnt want to play therefore didnt buy. Tekken has always had knowledge checks but this seems like they now use those same checks to punish you for not blindly throwing money at them
TT2 was the last true Tekken game, I went back to watch some high level TT2 matches and man what a blast to watch.
Facts I'd rather have the high damage problem people complained about rather than that bs that came in T7 and T8, TTT2 had a true learning curve and skill gap T8 is just overwhelming offensive pressure and no true thought just Unga bunga with special get out of jail free cards.
TT2 was an amazing entry with the most of amount of DL C content characters stages and customization.... I'm not sure if it was free but I played it during lockdown was the most fun I had in a long time.
Guys dont buy this map. Its the only way to send a message to namco. They have gone way to far with this. If you paid for the ultimate edition then this should be free
Oh, I'm buying it. I'm still waiting on them to release string bikini costumes. I think they have that dlc ready to go for when they need money.
It's no use bro these fools grew up on micro transaction they will eat that shit up for dinner and lunch
@@gilbertopadilla3611 sheep being sheep i see, is harada your sheepdog?
@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw personally it is his money and can do whatever he wants with it. But yes, I am also not buying the stage.
@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw it's only $5. I'm not going to miss out over a few bucks here and there.
Devs have to be criticized for the product to get fixed. Just look at Cyberpunk 2077 or No Man's Sky.
Or Total War warhammer 3. People got angry, people dropped the game and skipped 1 game and 1 Dlc HARD, and CA fired a bunch of marketing fucks and apologised profusely, and backtracked to fix their shit broken DLC. big win for the community
Big problem is that all those with voices got their bamco checks
Difference is No Man's Sky and CP2077 were developed by western companies. Tekken is Japanese and people in suits making decisions in Japanese companies are out of touch with reality.
As a (former) game dev, it is rarely our fault when it comes to stuff like this. Publishers and upper management are the real issue: they drain the passion out of everyone naive enough to work for a way below market average salary. Most talented game devs leave because they would rather earn triple the hourly rate developing literally anything else, not having to deal with incompetent project leads, and preserving your love for the gaming industry. That leaves AAA with juniors and the people who are afraid of/unable to speak up.
I know it's a widely accepted umbrella term, but start projecting that hate towards game execs/publishers, not the devs.
@@frkkmnt I was trying to get into game dev so I picked up C# and Unity and at the end of the day, I opted to put my efforts back into basic bitch FEWD (Front End Web Dev) because the pay is infinitely for a job that isn't creatively stimulating. Sucks man.
Their response will be to give pass/edition holders the stage. Everyone will praise them for listening to feedback. Oh and btw buy this other useless tack. We're trapped in a cycle.
You're so right. "They listened thumbnails" incoming.
Bamco wants their customers to have stockholm syndrome🤮
I have the deluxe, yet I have to buy the stage. WTF.
You don't *have* to buy anything. And you shouldn't
I have an collectors edition season pass all the bells n whistles and I still paid for the stage. It is what it is
Tekken 7 all over, 120 bucks for deluxe but then charge 8 bucks for 15 characters each. Plus 10 stages.. But it was cus ttt2 did bad, so now its for what? Jeez
@@nohat1375If you want to be good tho you need the characters, you cant even pick them in p-mode. wtf is up with that? I dont have, right, still disgusting.
@michaelmurray6577 good how? You can be plenty good not knowing every match up. Just cant be twt good but lets be honest. Do you even want to be twt good? Are you trying to make tekken your job?
This is why I haven't spent a penny on the Tekken battle pass or anything else
Id actually like to hear of more Frame stories in Japan cause I think the insight is interesting
After over 1k hrs in T7, I spent a whopping 27 hrs in T8 and decided it was best to uninstall it. Glad to see that was the correct choice. Heat was not designed to be an engaging system in the long term, the balancing is bad, and the game is riddled with monetization. All ingredients to make sure I get that sh*t the fck off of my PC.
I guess at this point I'm just puzzled. T7 sold over 10 mil, and they decide to do everything in their power not to build upon what was working.
Every day we're watching Frame become Aris a little bit more
"Its not the devs' fault its the upper management."
Imagine getting robbed then the robber shouted "sorry man its not my fault the boss told me to do it" as he flee.
would you just accept it and go i guess it cant be helped ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
how do people become robbers? surely they living a great life that FORCES them in such conditions that they cannot not to rob at this point it time. devs are hold hostage? maybe they're not as vocal or dont want to lose their jobs? no sense if unity? we do not know. i dont see people quitting companies due to them being forced to make games with predatory schemes.
Thanks for featuring my Reddit Post mate! It was a bit of a "late night" ramble, so the grammar is a bit rough.
I've been on a similar wave length to you since launch, the game has been a SHAMBLES and Bandai Namco deserve a seat next to Ubisoft/EA for DOGSHIT company of the Year Award.
They have pulled LITERALLY every single trick from the "Modern AAA" textbook in only 9 MONTHS, it's comical.
What's ironic is that im such a huge advocate of not buying BIG BOY EDITIONS, PRE-ORDERING, BUYING MTX etc, and THE ONE time i decide to induldge myself (buying the Ult Edition). I INSTANTLY get bent over and ass rammed... Oh, the irony! :D
Won't someone please think of the poor indie developer 😭
I’ve supported Tekken by purchasing a least three copies per entry since 2009. I’m still upset that I bought the limited collectors edition that was almost $400 because Harada said there would be no restocks after it sold out…. Literally, two months or so later … they restocked and offered it away for 50% off…
Man when the cosmetic store arrived i thought of it as a neccesary evil. A way for supporters to throw some cash their way for clearly overpriced cosmetics.
In the end my reasoning saw that players would be allowed more value over time since so many would put more money into the game.
Now they remove value for what ive already payed for (season pass).
Feel scammed buying the garbage and insanely overpriced cosmetics when they feel the need to REMOVE value.
2028: TEKKEN 9 for $79.99 (PS6), game includes following:
- main menu
- options menu
- tekken 1 character select bgm
- elua agrement
- 1 playable character: lars in pink outfit
- 1 selectable stage: tekken 1 windermere
- tekken store
LMAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO
"I dont even play this game"
Me when someone asks me about T8. Even when I just stomped them in a match.
I'm surprised the option to change character on menu, is not paid
Not yet.
Vote with your wallets and your time, boys.
"Lets take the live service business model, except instead of paying for further development and the servers off cosmetic sales we'll just charge for the updates too! And double dip on the season pass! People will love it! Genius!" - Bamco, probably
As soon as I say the feedback pouring in, I knew where to come 😂
I was just stunned, when I found out the temple stage was paid DLC, I thought it was free with Heihachi character DLC. I feel like this is scam. I paid for ultimate edition. Tekken 8 is the last tekken I will ever buy. I am so dissappointed with namco's greedy ways.
I'm glad to hear you had a positive experience with the Muslim community in Japan ❤
In Russian there is a rpoverb which goes: лох не мамонт, лох не вымрет. Which can be translated as a sucker ain't a mammoth, a sucker will never extinct. This whole situation made me remember that as I saw people write negative reviews under that stage DLC. They had to buy the thing in the first place. As of now the last one states that he/she won't even be able to play it anyways as most people don't buy it and both players have to own it. The fact that these idiots bought it in the first place makes the probability for the stage becoming free very close to 0%. If it does due to immense backlash they diserved to be ripped off.
Один хер все страдают в итоге...
As an Ultimate owner, I find it would be a better spend to just burn that money.
All we need are the loot boxes and a monthly subscription to play online and we filled out the MTX bingo card
With the crazy amount of megatransactions that this game has, you would think they would at least give the people who help make Tekken what it is today something 😂. Waaayyyy too many transactions...calm down, dammm Bandai Moneyco
The writing was on the wall already when the producer was tweeting asking if people really thought side stepping was important.
And yet people preordered the game anyway.
Who knew that 5 dollars would unite the Tekken community. this is pure gold
Predictable actually, have you seen how much a good stick or leverless can cost? We ain't got five dollars!
Zero sympathy for people on that reddit because they're the same clown emojis that dumped on anyone who said anything remotely negative about Tekken 8 around it's release. Even shat on you at one point around the time you said you quit the game. Now all of the sudden, they've had a change of heart and now they don't like the game anymore. They can get in the bin with the rest of them.
yeah those fucks
i already quit Tekken at season 3. Life is way more important and rewarding than being a pro player in a niche game
So many of my friends who play Tekken don't understand how I felt about making Heihachi DLC, and they all said that I was overreacting/being old for pointing out what I thought was obvious -- that making Hei a DLC character was all for the hype machine, and equates to if Capcom made Ryu a dlc character in SF6. I didn't buy the "season pass" or "ultimate edition" because I felt that Tekken did not deserve my money/the benefit of the doubt, but after this spectacle, I'm uninstalling. If they fix the netcode and the matchmaking and actually implement changes that work (where the hell is online training mode and where the hell is infinite rematch in casuals?) I'll reinstall, but knowing this company, they'll bundle all of these things into a 20 dollar DLC called "the professional expansion". This is unacceptable.
You’re not gonna believe this, but kingjae dropped a video defending this stage lmao.
It's like they realized the mistakes they made with Tekken 7 were that it wasn't monetized as much as physically possible!
Im sure i never bought single stage in t7, it all came with season pass or character
it REALLY was kinda cathartic to just let off steam and talk about the frustration with the game and bamco this stream. thanks for that.
Man PhiDx has turned into an apologist shill since T8 became his only source of income. Sad.
a brothers gotta eat
Sellout as always. If he wants his comfortable life while farting on his gaming chair, yeah, let's listen to them and praise the product. It'll end one day and they all will be broke.
How so? He said people are angry about this and rightly so. He just isn't as blunt as Framewhisperer 🤣
@@CosmicVoid420He's not as bad as KSwiss and TMM. Kswiss got butthurt when I called out Harada's bs excuses, behavior towards fans and money hungry tactics. If dude wants to be a Namco glazer, I'll just laugh it off 😂😂🤣🤣.
You still don't understand, do you? They PHYSICALLY CAN NOT support the game servers for 2 thousand people without deluxe edition, cash shop, battle pass, in-game chipotle nike korean glasses ads, irl collabs, figures, paid characters, paid arenas. They are not charity and they don't demand much
How come previous tekken games could work fine without all of that cash income
Yep. Could equally be true, that the devs have actual authority over this and want to make the bigwigs happy with sale numbers and not actually the bigwigs demanding it. We do not know. I know , that i deem it highly unlikely that back in tekken 7 a bigwig came in and demanded the frame data on leroy should be that overpowered. At the end of the day its dogshit and the people who are saying „its not the devs fault , they are just earning food for their cute family, i am not going to buy it tho.“ … oh? So the poor devs are forced to do it, but now you don’t want to give them more money for their poor families, because at the end of the day it’s dogshit no matter what? Yea its … really just cope.
I can only think of South Park, "We're sorry." I can't wait to see $20 stage. $10 to open the wall break + $10 for the floor break. $5 per use stage hazard. I started the year wanting to stick to tekken, imma go back to sf6.
Blue protocol tax with a little concord interest 😂
Small side gripe i have is we cant customize locked characters.. like why whats gonna happen by locking that.
I had no idea he listens to rap
1:51:41
It’s contradictory to hold Namco accountable for their decisions if you believe in determinism. Their monetization strategies and lack of balance are the results of an uninterruptable chain of past events, right? Yet, you discuss them as if they could have made different choices, which implies that you believe in free will. If that’s not the case, then complaining about their actions doesn’t make sense since those actions couldn’t have been changed. I agree with your criticisms of Tekken, but I’m confused about how you can support determinism while suggesting that the situation could have been avoided. Sorry if I put words in your mouth and didn’t understand well. I would love for you to explain it. Best tekken content creator so far!
I got downvoted to hell for mentioning Harada's history of lying and how they dumped the responsibility of Blue Protocol's failure onto Tekken 8.
People are rightfully angry but it's also self inflicted by a community that has no competition in the 3D space, never speaking out against bullshit like paid frame data or the completely 180 on "never charging for legacy character's, etc.
Tekken 8 isn't the worst product in the world but they actively do stuff to make it as unfun as possible.
You should be grateful they didn't charge at least $10 for the stage seeing as you only paid $120 for the Ultimate Edition and spent at least another $20 on other useless garbage. In fact you should send money to each of the Namco employees as a thank you for this low low price of $5 for such a beautiful stage. Tekken fans are too spoiled and doesn't deserve any of this. Only $5 dollars !!!
Tmm is that you??🤣
@@josemota9188 Oh I wish I could get paid to be a shill !
I just hope the ppl that are upset don't still spend money on this. The MK community complained about costumes prices but still bought items regardless. Gotta vote with your wallet.
They are trust me they are, some in the comments even admitted to doing so and dont even care because "its just 5 dollars" .
"do you know what i hate about being right all the time?" man im 1min in and i already feel you
It's a long video, so i dont know if this is mentioned anywhere, but i find it funny how i haven't read anything about early access being scammy as hell. It's not early access. It's normal access, the character is out and ready. It's only LATE access for the rest of us who dont want to pay extra. Namco is way too greedy with this game, it's not debatable anymore
I'm legit a ultimate Edition Pass holder and this feels so wrong. I paid it twice for me and then my wife.
I think that's why they recently put Tekken 8 on sale.
This makes me more sound in the decision to pirate. There was a sale on steam and i considered buying but something told me not to. Bamco Marketing will nickle and dime the loyalists fot every damn cent. Tekken Project the devs -- as they say are caught between a rock and hard place. This is TEKKEN dying infront of us in real time.
The crazy part that this game is only ten months long but compared to T7 8 year run, it feels way longer. Which since not even a year passed, it's not good. It means it's dragging.
@@falconeshield fact. also what no one noticed, lydias stage his just the tekken ball stage, harada knew he couldnt sell a stage which is already in-game for 5usd. this genmaji stage scandal sounds like a predatory deliberate scam. i messaged him @harada_TEKKEN with a link to the recent steam reviews which were mostly all negative and he deleted my reply to my post and blocked me. this man is a scammer! i have no respect for him and will continue to pirate for each update. screw him.
21:53 I dont think people like Phidx are saying you should HAVE to care about the inner workings of the dev team and bandai namco and how that might be affecting monetisation, I think he's just trying to offer another perspective and giving an explanation as to why he's more sympathetic.
I just feel like energy should also be spent educating people and reminding them how micro transactions work in gaming rn rather than JUST demanding change, because there's gonna be enough people who continue to buy this stuff (some because they actually want to) which will make change unlikely. And I also think it's wasted energy to demonise people who are in whatever way defending or trying to explain the practices, since I'd assume it's the sales numbers mostly that will dictate decisions. I'm not saying you can't disagree with people but idk why people assume ill intent just because we have different opinions. Like the hostility I see from people on both sides is silly on topics like this because a lot of whether you're prepared to pay for something comes down to personal choices and preferences, it's not objective.
By all means speak out against it if you don't agree with the decisions but I think its also important to remind people to ask themselves things like "if you buy the deluxe edition now and it doesn't include some other paid content that you'd have to buy separately, would you be ok with that?" That gives people info and helps them hold off on decisions they might regret later. But only focusing on how people NOW feel screwed over I don't think is the optimal way to create change if that's the goal because the money has been got so it's too late in some ways.
My main point is I don't think it's fair to demonise people who are explaining why they don't have a problem with something (when it's preference based like whether you are happy with a product or not), as if they are now responsible for you being unhappy with it.
I haven't really disagreed with that much of what you've said this video tbf tho.
Two hours? More content than the entire update.
For free!
I had so much hope for T8. I wasn't into fightings but always liked and respected tekken. So sad it got modern gamedev treatment.
How long before Frame starts to laugh?
0:35
I don't care about buying stuff if I enjoy what I'm buying but only if the game is good and tekken 8 is shit. I'm seeing people say don't buy this stage to prove a message? I haven't bought anything because why would I buy a character to lab against if the game is riddled with too many mechanics? I don't need convincing it's pretty simple.
I've been sick of this kind of behaviour since they added the store. Even when I was hyped and got tekken 8 when it came out the box said "day one edition", and it was kind of a warning because of course it's day one edition it's release day!
Please continue to post these videos, I think it's invaluable.
I feel like a chump for buying the ULTIMATE EDITION, this game straight up giving me PTSD for getting the max priced version of a game, never again😢. Bamco literally laughing like Frame at 0:41 😂.
OHH NOOO YOU FEEL LIKE A CHUMP. OHH NOO NOT YOUR PRIDE NOOOO. NOOO YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE A COOL GUY WHO ALWAYS SPENDS HIS MONEY RIGHT YES!!! I HAVE GREAT PRIDE IN HOW I SPEND MY MONEY!!! THATS WHAT MAKES ME SPECIAL :)))
Bamco is trying follow the warframe model where we get new characters and cosmetics, only issue is that tekken 8 is not free to play
Surely Namco must have forseen this backlash? Dumb decision. The battle pass is still trash too of course. Might as well make the game subscription based like an MMORPG.
When DLC that makes ranked 0.1 per roll comes out, you would memba this as a good one
T8 was my first Tekken.
I can see the makings of a great game buried beneath mismanagement, micro transactions and Bamco’s greed. Tekken deserves better.
So the Harada apology Tweet is gone uh oh 🤨 you think Bandai got to him and forced him to delete it?
@@Diu1999is it really??
@@FrameWhispereryes i noticed a second ago I don’t know when it was deleted I know you don’t have Twitter how should I send it to you frame?
@@Diu1999 I trust you, thanks!
Just showed up to confirm it's gone too. I imagine Namco didn't like how he implied he'll set the publishing team straight, but it also sucks because it probably means selling stages separately from season passes won't change as a practice.
@@Valvadrix Imho this means he has redacted his apology and he is no longer sorry.
Harada deleted his apology ggs glhf
I need to satisfy that competitive itch so I started playing chess.. that’s how badfighting games are nowadays they are piss easy, dumbed down and the developers clearly aren’t passionate about the art like the old ones
I missed the stream... I was too drunk 😭
I wanna be powerful like everyone else. I have Azazel’s hand for crying out loud 😂
Not happy about the stage but also, I'm still shocked the ending for this game wasn't actually in the game.
This isn't like normal DLC.
5 dollars for a stage holy shit😂. These are the times were in
36:00 not a video game producer but Games Workshop operates this way and has led to some very poor decisions. Particularly hosing the consumer even more aggressively.
Anoooo desu ne minna san desu ne! Ahhhhh etooo ne wakaru ne sou sou desu ne
If they release a game and make it out to be a live product, prepare for constant complaining, rightfully so!
Time to start #bandaigate ... Never buy anything from them ever again.
Framewhisper never saw mike holleys video defending namco on selling the stage separately
I heard he ate some bad brownies and got confused?
I didnt buy the stage but had a match on it last night, in Quick Match 🤷
I love ya bro I really do.
But it kinda hypothetical when you talk about ppl disrespecting their customers, and you can't edit out your bathroom breaks??
Lol. Do better!
I enjoy your takes and your boldness to say it! See ya in the next one, brother !❤
Do you mean hypocritical ?
@@brandonspringfield2861 yes. Stupid autocorrect. Ty
i am so turned off by T8's practices, man, it's sad. I've already uninstalled, but now I'm done for sure.
#werenotaskingforshit
what do you expect its BAMCO
MainFrameSWE and FrameDX
Want me to support you by buying all this shit? Fix the goddamn server and pluggers. Only then would this be justifiable, and they don't even do that.
This is simply ridiculous now... no other words.. just ridiculous.
They are charging for the stage now. I can understand about the characters, but a stage?? Really??? Actually it should have been free for everyone. But let's forget that for now. If they couldn't do that much, then at least they should have made it free for the deluxe and ultimate edition users. But no... they can't do that either.
I don't know how much further Bamco will stoop low, and how much they are thinking of stooping. But looking at it, it seems that they are not going to desist from their activities.
Moreover, there are still some people who are still supporting this scummy, greedy behavior by Bamco. Instead of pointing out this problem, they are blindly admiring Bamco for minor things, like being able to put their main characters in the main menu screen, new halloween items in tekken shop, etc. Shame on them.
btw... As soon as I watched this video for 1 minute, I also started laughing with you. The scenario being the most funny, and most satirical at the same time, with you opening 9 reddit tabs of people complaining about the paid stage, and the utter silence in the first 30 seconds, then followed by the ironical laughter for the next 30 secs. 😂😂😂💔💔🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Lol its close to $10 in aud LOL wtf
It's fine you don't think you're responsible to give the developers the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn't mean you have to be a dick poking at people like PhiDx.
As you said, we don't know.
algorithm!
bro make a video on tekken 5 dr and how much you loved it and how much its better then tekken 8
Never played 5, I started in Tag 2.
2 class gaming
I've never spent money on DLC or a stage and I never will. I already bought the game so if i enjoy the game ill continue to play BUT we definitely should talk about the predatory behavior. Kinda sucks that you and pdx have equals views that we dont know who to blame the developers or bamco. Either way just dont buy.
As much as I'd like to play Tekken I'd rather have my money back for this cancerous game.
Smfh, this is what it's become. I'm saying tekken 8 is trash 🗑