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@@BoltRM It's just the official Elite Strap. Got the new Bobo M3 yesterday and have been now testing that as well and it feels way comfier, but it's out of stock everywhere sadly.
@@hlee633 Thank you so much! Yes the lenses are magnetic. They come with a circle that attaches to the existing lenses and then the prescription lenses just click into place magnetically on those circles.
Yeah tell me about it... I'm glad that Nvidia has started to release new cards every 2 years, at least it gives us a bit more time to enjoy our purchases 😁
Lol I KNEW, that the entirety of this lengthy video could be summarized into 1 short segmented element of constitutes of data points rdy to be assimilated into the prefrontal cortex.
@@PuppetMasterdaath144 If you're strictly talking about the AV1 codec, then yes, but it's a 5 minute video, didn't drag on with anything just for higher watch time and not everyone uses Virtual Desktop, so I tried to give tips regarding any choice for using the Quest 3 as a PCVR headset.
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A small addition to the Virtual Desktop preferred codec, AV1 will not be an option if your PC does not have an Nvidia GeForce 40 series or AMD 7000 series GPU. In that case, I would recommend to choose HEVC or HEVC 10bit, as h264 is mostly going to make color muddy when mixed with others. It might be different if you can handle the higher bitrate settings, but that's just from my experience.
i have an rx 6650 xt and i use av1-10 bit on VD. so my question is does that make it default to hevc? Its weird because it seems to also look a lot better than using the hevc codec. I've read amd 6000 series is capable of av1 but idk if that has anything to do with virtual desktop
@@Swaves_Gaming That is interesting, seeing from Guy himself saying it's only for the 7000 series. Said in another Reddit thread that it falls back to the HEVC encoder when trying it with a non-7000 card, but if it works for you, more power to you
@@Swaves_Gaming I'm honestly not sure, I've never tried an AMD GPU personally, but I'd think the AV1 support is not necessarily related to what the card can do, but rather what Virtual Desktop itself is configured for, but I might be wrong. We need someone smarter to chime in 😁
I believe its whether your card can encode in av1 - for example rtx3080 can decode but not encode. I have a 3000 series and still able to choose av1 as an option on VD streamer but then checking in performance panel in quest 3 headset its defaulted back to HEVC
Yeah I always do my best to reply to as many comments as possible. All of you are supporting my dream by watching these videos, so the least I can do is respond to you. Thanks so much for watching!
@@The_Moony_Loony it uses a lot less bandwidth than the valve one an streams much smoother. So it usually gives wired connection quality from anywhere in my house.
@@joshuam4993 pc was. Now im using wifi on both pc and it does stutter a bit. I need to feed my Ethernet through the ceiling because i bought a house and stopped renting. Setting the pc's wifi card as the headset connection point does help quite a bit though
Super pleased with Quest 3 PCVR performance over Quest 2. I had some issues with Quest 2 PCVR. Took a bit of tweaking and fiddling. Quest 3 worked better for me out of the box, with defaults. And it looks a lot better than Quest 2. Draw distance clarity in HL Alyx is so much better. And this is before I've started tweaking! Running a medium system with an (now) ageing 3060ti. Was thinking about upgrading to a 4070 or 4070ti after getting Quest 3. Not sure I need it right now! Maybe if I start pushing settings in games. But, as I said, things look considerably better already.
@@nese1As I said, It’s going fine for me on my 3060ti. With a distinct lack of triple A PCVR titles on the horizon, at this point if I upgrade my GPU it won’t be for VR!
I've only got a gtx1080 but I was running HL:Alyx on nearly max settings through my Index before it died. Wonder how I'll go if I use the quest 3 and if I'll have to dial back the settings for some reason. Maybe the resolution on the Quest 3 is just higher than the Index.... If only I didn't have to return the Index controllers to get my refund on the broken headset 😢
If you have a laptop with intel wifi 6e card, you can just create a hotspot from your laptop and connect to it from the quest, I've been doing this and it runs flawless. I didn't need to buy another router and my laptop doesn't even have ethernet connector
Yeah, Airlink is limited to about 100 Mbps IIRC, whereas with the cable you can put the bit rate up much higher (I've got mine at about 450 Mbps). I went the cable route early on as I found the compression artefacts too distracting with Airlink.
It’s my understanding that the av1 codec on virtual desktop requires a 40 series card or equivalent amd card. Also, the creator of virtual desktop himself said av1 is experiencing high latency; This should be fixed in the future though.
Yes the AV1 codec currently only works on 4000 series Nvidia cards and I believe 7000 series AMD ones. AV1 looks great to me and the added latency is not noticeable if you have a good networking setup.
Great video- I just noted that upon connecting the headset the Oculus PC app shows the red icon indicating the Mic is not connected - I struggled with this myself and the solution is to go to Windows Virtual Reality setup click the Audio setting and disable the top 2 options related to Sound and Mic redirection - Worked for me ;-)
For big open games like skyrim or big maps in the pavlov mode push i use the link cable at 1.5 in the oculus app sampling and 850bit in the oculus debug tool,90hz it looks amazing.. For a nice wireless session i use virtual desktop at av1 codec at 200bitrate for smaller indoor games or smaller maps like halflife alex etc that looks amazing too.. But larger maps need the link cable with the settings to avoid compression.. I had many highend pcvr headsets like the varjo vr3,pimax chrystal,star vr one.. but this quest 3 can do alot for its price..And a amazing sweetspot!(great lenses) Only a pitty that a link cable doesnt keep the quest 3 at full charge
Thanks for sharing your experience, and yes I agree, the Quest 3 is amazing for the price point and I think it'll keep getting better with new features over time like the Quest 2 did.
Great video! One question: if you use Virtual Desktop as recommended at the end of the video, the suggested changes in the settings of the Oculus app and the Oculus Debug Tool file will not take effect anyway, correct?
It does increase bandwidth, but indeed no VR headset uses the extra bandwidth yet. It’s about extra headroom more than anything else. I don’t live in a congested area at all and changing to 6E has been a massive improvement to how high I can push the bitrate on AirLink.
On the sponsors note at 1:01, don't you calibrate the goggles themselves? Kinda like binoculars, shouldn't that fix any prescription issues, or am I mistaken?
They're two different things. Yes you need to set your IPD(distance between your eyes), but that won't magically fix your need for wearing glasses if you normally use those. If your eyes simply need help focusing at a certain distance, you will still need that with VR, and prescription lenses help avoid the need to wear your glasses in the headset.
I'm one year late to this video, but still find it very informative and relevant to my current situation, where I am thinking of buying the Quest 3. After this video, I will definitely get one. I have subscribed, thanks for the video!
@@krayzieridah thank you so much for watching and subscribing, it always means a lot when I get such a kind and thoughtful comment. You’ve made my day! ❤️
Do you have to change the settings in the Oculus Debug Tool if using virtual desktop? Also, what is the difference between avi1 and Avi1 10 bit for quest 3 on VD. Have a 4090 btw.
No Virtual Desktop will not be able to use the settings from the Debug Tool, those are just for Link/Airlink. The 10-bit allows for a higher number of colors to be displayed, so in games with dark environments or lots of colors, the 10-bit codecs will likely look better, but might also add a bit of extra latency. Also everyone’s eyes perceive things a bit differently so it’s worth trying all of them and seeing which one you prefer.
The pass through quality of the quest 3 is horrible, I’m trying to do mixed realistic vr for a flight sim and it’s not attainable with the poor passthrough quality. Any fix???
Excuse my ignorance here, but why would you want to use the Steam version of VD? You can see your desktop directly in the Oculus Home or any other headset you might have. I’m genuinely curious.
If you have a powerful PC and a good dedicated router and can crank up everything to max, then no, there’s not that big of a difference. But for situations where you need to keep settings lower or your wireless connection isn’t great, then yeah the stability and clarity over wire is superior. Hope that helps!
Great video, thank you. I have some questions. If we are using Steam for PCVR, will this resolution change at Oculus app apply for SteamVR as well? I am asking this because I saw SteamVR has its own resolution and its not same with Quest 3 values.
Thanks so much for watching! So basically anything you set in the Oculus App/Virtual Desktop will count as 100% resolution in Steam, and if your PC can handle it, you can upsample even more from Steam, though I’d generally recommend sticking to only one layer when setting resolution. So just change it in the Quest app or Virtual Desktop and leave the Steam setting alone.
Hey, I have a question. For the past few days, I've been struggling with settings, cables, and similar things to configure my Quest 3 properly. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it to a point where the image is clear and pleasant to the eye. I'm connecting via the Link cable, but the issue persists. Objects up close look quite decent, but there's a significant amount of aliasing when looking at things in the distance. I find it hard to believe that this is normal, as I've read so many reviews praising the resolution and image quality. I used to use the HP Reverb G2 before, and despite having a very similar screen resolution, the quality was far better, both for standalone games and PCVR. Does anyone know why the resolution is so poor? Does the quality seem okay for you, and are you not experiencing such strong aliasing?
The quality on Quest 3 is really good. Some aliasing in the distance is normal but overall it should be very sharp as long as your PC can handle it. Regarding the G2, I haven’t personally tried one, and not sure what you mean with standalone as it is only PCVR, but my understanding is that while it’s very clear, the sweet spot is tiny on the G2, and significantly bigger on Q3.
If you get the aliasing with Quest Standalone titles, you can try "Quest Games optimizer", an amazing tool that increases standalone Quality so much that to me it sometimes felt as if my Quest 3 suddenly became a Quest 4. (No joke! It does use a lot of battery though, and the headset gets way warmer) If you get the aliasing on PCVR, despite good quality settings... then you might be in the same boat as I am: It is a bug. A strange bug. One I have not yet been able to clearly identify. Because on another PC with the same specs I did NOT have that issue, but on my own PC I do. I suspect it has something to do with Windows Settings and drivers, not with the Hardware itself. You might want to play around with the Bitrate Settings in the Oculus Tray tool. You might want to try a different cable. A different USB port. And: Audiosettings. When I deactivated ALL my audio devices... The image was wonderful. So maybe the problem is with some Audio settings/bugs.
Yeah I just bit the bullet and bought the link cable. The wireless connect doesn't work for me as my internet connection is not strong enough And no other cable I bought worked well enough I cannot believe I just spent $80 on a freaking cable but honestly it was worth it as I'm going to play the crap out of this thing
The official link cable is definitely the most reliable, but yeah, expensive af. The internet connection though has absolutely no impact on the wireless connectivity, since you connect over the local network and not the internet. A good router will sort all those issues for you. I haven't used a wire in ages since getting the TP-Link router I have in the description.
@@VRManCave yeah I believe I'm going get one of those soon as well. The router that we currently have is a bit outdated By like 6 years. I'm trying to convince the folks to let me upgrade it
@@VRManCave so far I've had no issues with the cable. I had to get a adapter hub because my computer does not have a USBC connection directly on the motherboard Other than that though And other than the price I can't complain. Though I do wish the quality in some of the games wasn't so grainy. And I've gone through and done just about everything I can do settings wise. And my computer is a pretty darn good beast as well And I think it's just it is what it is
TL;DR: Virtual Desktop with AV1 codec if you have a 40 series GPU, otherwise use h264+ for outdoor scenes with high bitrate (250-350mbps+ can see things far away clearly like foliage and players), or HEVC 10 bit at a lower bitrate (100-150) for indoor games where you don't have to see as far, as it will have less color banding than h264+, but more latency. I pretty much exclusively use h264+ at 280mbps as I mostly play multiplayer FPS games and the reduced latency of h264+ paired with better visibility at distances is perfect.
You say you are running "a beast of a PC" - but what is it? It would be helpful to know that way I can compare my machine to yours and get an idea of where I can land. I have a pretty beefy machine too - 3090 and i9 9900 so I can probably run pretty high settings, but your specs would give an idea of where we can go.
Quest 3 had an update and now DCS crashes. Took me a year to finally get it right including upgrading from the quest 2, building an entire new PC and about 3-4 apps to adjust settings. Had to switch to steamVR and it runs like crap. Im gonna try the virtual desktop and hopefully I will be happy again. I literally just got a desk, chair and the new turtle beach flight deck HOTAS and now DCS has a new update with the new launcher as well as the new update from Meta which broke my setup!😂😂😂
Virtual Desktop is my favorite. I run a rtx4090 and a wifi6 system. SteamVR is at 150% SS even 70% SS runs fine. I maxed out all settings in steamVR 72fps is my favorite to reduce system hogging. It looks like 12k quality gaming. Thanks for the clarity. Just to add, I have a ps4vr2 and it is a complete blurr mess compared to this setup.
@@beastsson You didn't try it. If you used 70% on steamlink app or oculus app, it's a blurry mess. In Virtual Desktop, maxing out all settings on a high end system gives you an FPS boost while sharpening everything. Looks very sharp. Yup. 70% looks nasty on other system. I know you didn't try. you need to max out all settings in virtual desktop. It uses the quest 3 gpu to make everything nice and sharp eliminating excessive data on your pc. It's like 8k resolution.
Hi @VRManCave, if my usecase is only movies and no gaming would i still need AV1 encoding and VR graphic quality "Godlike"? I only use VD for sbs movies and i like the theater environment of VD compared to Skybox/Bigscreen/DeoVR/Whirligig/simpleVR. Im using a laptop with 3080 150w. Thank you
The encoder and graphic quality will still determine the clarity of the image, so it will definitely help when it comes to movies too. Obviously the quality of the movie itself will count too, since if you are using a 720p movie, no amount of settings will improve that by much.
@@VRManCave appreciate your reply, I use 1080p bluray 3D since 3D blurays are only limited to 1080 for now. Since my laptop is 3080 i guess I wont be able to use AV1 encoding sadly. What other codec would u recommend for my 3080 laptop? Thanks for your response, subscribed :)
Noon question but if the oculus can do 800 bit rate and vd only 200 wouldn't the oculus work better? I know I missed something important but I've watched this 3 times now lol
No worries at all for asking. VD is more flexible and also has the AV1 codec available, which Airlink doesn't. That codec makes even lower bitrates look better. Overall I'd say yes, 800 bitrate looks fantastic, but some users just don't have the setup to back that up. If you have a high end PC and high end router with an ideal setup, then 800 will give you better visuals. If not, VD is a great middle ground between performance, latency and visuals. Hope that makes sense!
I have a wifi 6, but my PC is not connected directly to router. I have a +500Mbps connectionPC wifi , so is it necessary to have an ethernet connection to the router ? thanks for your videos
Sorry for the delay. It’s due to fluctuations in Wi-Fi vs wire. If someone is watching something on Netflix or if there’s any movement or interference between your PC and router, your VR experience will suffer because of it. It’s not mandatory to have it wired, but highly recommended. And generally allows for higher bitrates and more stability overall.Thanks for watching!
Glad you found it helpful! Everything I showed is absolutely safe. I’ve been doing it from day one after Quest 2 launched and continued on Quest 3 with zero issues so far.
Awesome, it's a great choice. Let me know in case you have questions, but maybe just leave a new comment instead of replying to this one because RUclips doesn't notify me of replies to existing comments for some reason.
Hey there! Yeah the Quest 3 is fantastic for 3D movies actually, and you can use the Bigscreen VR app to stream them without having to download and also watch with friends.
@@VRManCave oh sorry I meant thru the link cable. I’m trying to play 2d video games and looking for the best option. The link cable mode for meta 3 I guess removed a pass through mode in there last update. I like the cable cause it has lower latency for shooters like breakpoint. I guess what I’d like to see you do and I think other people would be interested in seeing is. What is the best option to play non vr games and how to do it (with wired mouse and keyboard, using the vr as your monitor). I’m trying the separate router and virtual desktop for my headset and going to see what the latency is and also going to try the link cable and try playing mouse and keyboard even though I can’t see anything in my peripherals because no pass thru mode
I have a 4070ti, should I stay wired or try to go the wireless route? At the moment I don’t have a wifi6 router but can get one. Just wondering if the image quality is better wireless vs wired. Thoughts?
With a 4070ti you should have a great experience regardless of which route you go. The graphics card has very little to do with wireless performance or visuals, as it's all down to the networking side of things. The image quality is not gonna be better wireless, but it can be pretty much on par with wired with the right setup.
Thanks so much for watching! The background song is called Probiotic. and it's by Timothy Infinite, you can find it on Spotify in the Epidemic Sounds playlists, which is where I get my music from :)
@@VRManCave yes, i was looking this up because i keep hearing that you can play games that were made with unreal engine, but i wasnt sure how to get started on it. I have the quest 2 and am super excited to try it. :) also, do you know if these games can be played in first person, or only in 3rd person? ;/
No because it would be a very short video. I only use Prefer maximum performance on thje Power Management Mode and Texture Filtering on Quality. Also for more powerful headsets I might do 2-3 under VR Pre-rendered frames.
I'm in the same situation, the AV1 option (Quest3) doesn't show up for me either, even though I'm using an Nvidia 40 series. Did you manage to solve it?
@@marcospaegle nope, but i use av1 10bit.. seems to be fine.. everything look good so.. hope i not miss out on it can look better:) - also i bought a link cable that have a charger slot on it so i can charge and play same time... i use that mostly now, and not the virtual desktop. Then again i got my Bobvr newest version with battery so now i am ready for virtual desktop again :)
AV-10 should actually be superior than AV-1 according to the Virtual Desktop dev, and indeed I believe he plans to remove the AC-1 option to avoid confusion, the difference being 8 bit vs 10 bit. This of course is limited to the Quest 3 with a RTX 40 series GPU.
AV1-10bit is now the only option that shows up in VD, no more AV-1, just the 10-bit one, so he did remove it. Thanks for the comment though, and of course for watching the video!
When I connect my Q3 via usb cable, & the link app says, it's connected, & when I start the Oculus software on my pc, it says that the openXR isn't set, do I want to set it. But when I go to settings & click the button, nothing happens. I read somewhere the Oculus app needs to be running with admin privelages to set this, so I run it as admin, but still no luck. Any suggestions?
So sorry for the very late reply, just saw your comment. Not sure if you still need help, but no, Oculus software doesn’t need to run with any special admin privileges. Regarding OpenXR, it’s normal for nothing to happen when you click it since you’re just selecting which runtime OpenXR applications will use when opened. If you’re strictly using it via cable, then I recommend leaving Oculus as the default OpenXR runtime. If using Virtual Desktop for wireless PCVR, set their proprietary VDXR as the runtime.
Hey there! I have a question. I have a dedicated wifi 6 router and a highend pc with a 4090. I am using your third option, but I only get the option for AV 1 with 10 bit color. I didn't get the simple AV1 option. Also, when I am playing walkabout minigolf I am getting some weird blur effect. Just was wondering if you knew what that could be.
Sorry for the late reply, I’m currently on vacation :). Virtual Desktop updated the options and AV1 is gone, only the AV1 with 10bit is available now. Regarding the blur, try playing around with the settings, but you definitely should not be getting that. Is it happening in any other game or just Walkabout?
Thanks man, appreciate it! And yeah it would be great to make the passthrough better but I think that’s up to the cameras themselves. It does get way better if you’re in a well lit room but that’s about it 😄
They don't affect battery as far as I could tell. All these changes happen on the PC side, so the Quest itself should not suffer from any faster battery drain.
It really depends on your preference. But you should be able to run either 120hz at 1-1.1x resolution or 90hz at 1.2-1.3x resolution. Of course it will depend on the game and in-game settings as well.
It offers more settings and customization, so I'd say it's worth the 20 bucks, but at the same time if you're happy with Airlink, that's all that really matters!
I have yet to find a video that explain why using wireless VR is better than wired. Having a USB connection to your headset shouldn't bring more stability and larger bandwidth? People barely have Wifi5, so Wifi6 is really out of the question unless you are shopping for a new router
From a data transmission perspective you’re right, wireless is not better, though it is getting damn close if you have a good networking setup. The part where wireless is king is just the freedom of movement without a wire.
@@VRManCave Agreed on the "freedom of movement " part; although from a technical standpoint the benefit is not matched yet, compared to the wired solution. I get that people have the desire to go wireless; or maybe I am just not that bothered by small things, because I don't jump on walls or turn around constantly in FPS games I guess, to feel the hassle of a wire.
@@fcf8269Yeah, even with a new WiFi 6 router a few meters from me, and running Virtual Desktop, I still get a few hitches here and there when running wirelessly. Even with the bitrate turned down a little bit. I'll probably continue to experiment, but for now the cabled experience trumps the non-cabled experience (especially since Virtual Desktop uses SteamVR for games instead of the Oculus runtime).
Yeah it just depends on the bandwidth, but if you don't plan on increasing the bitrate, you're good. Also, some cables seem to charge the Quest faster than others.
@@VRManCave I plan on getting a better wlan soon. I plan on changing my router to a model with the latest wlan tech. I hope I can have the computer and the metaquest3 in two separate rooms. Would be great if it works.
So this guide looks good but I just have one big question that buggs me. Why would anyone ever turn down the refresh rate? If your pc can´t do 90 fps having 90Hz is still positive and also does not hurt your performance in any way.
That’s a solid question! If your PC can’t push a certain refresh rate, keeping it set to that does actually hurt your performance, since your computer “tries” to hit that, which leads to way more fluctuation in fps and consequently, stutters and lag. A rock solid 72hz will always feel smoother than setting it to 90 or 120 and having it constantly move up and down depending on the in-game scene.
The biggest thing is that the encoding framerate is static. If you set it to 120, but your pc only renders, for example, 76fps the encoding just duplicates the frames, but the bandwith stays the same. You are essentially wasting the bitrate, since you're not getting 120fps, but encoding at 120, so the image quality is lower (72 fps 500bitrate offers better quality than 120fps 500bitrate). You're essentially throwing away the quality for no reason if you're encoding at higher framerate than your PC can push.
I'm wondering how the Airlink / VD resolution works together with SteamVR / in-game resolution? Does the headset automatically report the right resolution to the game itself and there is no need to change the resolution anywhere else?
Yes whatever you set in VD/Link will be reported to SteamVR as being 100% resolution. You can supersample in SteamVR in addition to increase the resolution even more if your PC can handle it, but for the most part setting it in VD/Link should be enough.
I think PCVR will increase in quality a lot once AV1 hardware encoding becomes the norm and Vr games start using technologies like FSR3 with frame generation, far from the ideal native resolution and native high frame rate, but should be a good midpoint until GPU's get powerful enough to run those resolutions at 90/120 fps stable, that or maybe a new tech appears that allows for better performance even with actual hardware.
I agree, but realistically AV1 and any other encoding/decoding only happens on 2in1 headsets like the Meta ones. On any native VR headset it will look great by default since it does not have to compress the signal and then decode it.
@@VRManCave Well, that's not entirely true, even high end 4k monitors (specially those that go into high refresh rates above 90Hz) compress image because HDMI nor DP support such massive data transfers, it's reduced to the point of barely noticable/nonexistent in terms perception but the compression is there, usually all done on a hardware level, so yeah, better ways to encode/decode image actually benefit all headsets in the end.
I’d love to give you a straight answer, but it depends. For some it seems SteamLink works better, others say the quality is still waaay better in VD or AirLink. Personally I’m still testing.
I’ve been using only wired so far, hesitant to pull the trigger on a new wifi 6 router because it would only be for wireless pcvr. I run wired at 120hz, maxed res and 700 bitrate. Can I run anywhere near that with wifi6?
Honestly if your primary use is iRacing, I don’t see the point since the wire is not a big deal while sim racing. You can get those figures with a good wi-fi router yes, but again, not sure if it’s worth it for your use case.
The draw would be for battery life/endurance races. I still get battery drain when connected and running full res etc. if I was wireless could plug in battery. There are the inline power cables but I read those impact bitrate. True?
I have an RTX 4090 and I only see AV1 10-bit (Quest 3). Why is there no AV1 (Quest 3) for me? - Also which will be the best looking settings with the lowest latency to play beat saber without any drops/lag?
Yeah I believe they removed AV1 since I made this video. Lowest latency is still probably H.264 but it wouldn't necessarily be a noticeable difference between VD and AirLink. Lowest possible latency is still via wire.
@@Monolokosito i’ve switched to the globular cluster one since making this video, but the one shown here is just the official Quest 3 one in the blue colour.
I am using the Meta Quest 3 with a link cable for simracing games on Steam (AMD GPU). Right now, I do not want to use the OpenXRtool kit and OpenComposite. In most games, I have the option to start in Steam VR or oculus mode. I am uncertain which one is better performance wise. Even when I get the message in oculus mode your HMD is not supported. Is this still better? If so, should the game be started within the Meta environment or in Steam itself? Does anyone have a recommendation and maybe an explanation why? Thank you very much in advance.
Doesn’t matter where you start the game, but yeah generally it’s better to go with Oculus mode if it’s available. When using a cable, the Oculus runtime runs anyway, and if you go with SteamVR mode for games, then both Oculus and SteamVR will be running in the background, instead of just Oculus. Hope that makes sense!
Does this work where the input is a streamed video that is decoded on the device? "Asynchronous SpaceWarp is a tool for improving framerate on PCVR headsets (like Rift), and should not be confused with Application SpaceWarp (AppSW), which is a tool for improving framerate on mobile headsets (like Quest)."
Not sure what you mean by “streamed video” but as the description you’ve added says, Async Spacewarp is the PCVR equivalent of ASW for standalone. It generates “fake” frames in order to make things feel more smooth, but ideally you’d want this off if your PC can handle it.
I want to switch between Link Cable and Virtual Desktop from time to time. Do I need to reset the Oculus Debug Tool settings to default before switching to Virtual Desktop? Does messing with those settings impact my Virtual Desktop connection too or just the Link Cable connection?
In my experience, just make sure that the PC Oculus link program is TOTALLY OFF (and doesn't start with a PC start or anything) before running Virtual Desktop and vice versa The settings you mess with in the Oculus Debug Tool have nothing to do with any of the Virtual Desktop settings and they don't impact each other if only one is on at a time I hope that this helps!
It’s an excellent spec, you should have a great experience. My old PC is a Ryzen 5800x and RTX 3070 and it already was pretty good but with a 3080 you should be even better!
@@VRManCave Thank you! Also I'm a person who loves to fully capture the essence and immerse in every game so would you recommend me to get a quest 3 with 128GB,256GB or 512GB?
I’m using a 4090 and 32GB of Corsair RAM, but the beauty of all this is that you can optimize to get the best out of any system. My other PC has a 3070 and this makes a big difference on how well VR runs and looks on it.
It’s definitely compatible, make sure you have the Oculus app installed and it should work fine. I have a 3070 PC and a 4090 one and it works perfect on both.
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is that encode rate based off of hardware specs or router? I have a 6ghz router and can only set mine to about 200 before i start getting extreme lag over airlink.
On Linux you always run the risk of compatibility issues. Windows is your best bet and you can just dual-boot and only use it for VR, sticking with Linux for other day to day tasks.
So, the Oculus App will still dictate things like resolution, but the refresh rate is set in VD. The Oculus Debug Tool settings will have no effect on VD and only work when using Link or Airlink.
I believe so, but it's on Meta to do that through software updates. The warping is actually not as bad as you'd think and only really shows up on things very close to the cameras for the most part.
is there a difference if I set the encode bitrate higher at this debug tool OR at sidequest? At sidequest you can ramp up the encode bitrate too if I am right!? so should I leave it at debug tool 0 and cramp up at sidequest, OR encode bitrate 800 at debug tool and nothing changed at sidequest?
I know you can change the resolution for stand-alone in Sidequest, not sure about the bitrate for PCVR. The bitrate would need to be set in the PC software as well, not just in the headset, so I'd say Debug Tool trumps Sidequest(if it's even an option).
VR/XR/AR brethren...folks, I have a dilemma. I have a PS5/Xbox Series X/PC/Ally Rog that I'd primarily like to use with some type of 'headset' that displays the content from those devices onto the headset screen. I'd prefer it to be hardwired so that I'd have the best visual experience (unless there are devices that deliver an optimal viewing experience from those devices wirelessly). I'd like 4k screen in each eye (if possible), and 120hz (if possible) as well. And of course, all the VR/AR trimmings available (that Netflix VR sounds amazing!). Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Unfortunately there isn't a VR headset that works with all of those, and anyway 4K per eye is just too high to run even on a 4090 PC. PS5 has the PSVR2, Xbox has nothing, PC has pretty much every VR headset, and the Ally doesn't support VR as far as I'm aware. Your only real option for something that displays a screen for all of those is a pair of AR Glasses. I've reviewed the Rokid Max glasses a while ago if you wanna check that out: ruclips.net/video/Mxsr6SWF3-8/видео.html - They're micro-OLED, so great colours, 120hz refresh rate, but just 1080p, though because the screen is so close to your eyes it looks extremely sharp.
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Thanks for the video!
What head strap are you using? Looks perfect
Very informative! Are the VR wave lenses magnetic? Or do they have to be pushed/clicked in like other brands?
@@BoltRM It's just the official Elite Strap. Got the new Bobo M3 yesterday and have been now testing that as well and it feels way comfier, but it's out of stock everywhere sadly.
@@hlee633 Thank you so much! Yes the lenses are magnetic. They come with a circle that attaches to the existing lenses and then the prescription lenses just click into place magnetically on those circles.
@@VRManCave Ok i was hoping that was some cheap & practical headstrap alternative to the expensive elite strap.. Bobo ftw!
When I first bought my GTX 1070 for VR it was considered pretty high end. And now it's low end, time flies.. 😅
Yeah tell me about it... I'm glad that Nvidia has started to release new cards every 2 years, at least it gives us a bit more time to enjoy our purchases 😁
Youre lucky not to be in the late 90s. Literally when you bought a 400Mhz CPU PC, 6 months later the 800MHz was out for the same price.
@@OceanCrasher haha
@@OceanCrasherThose were the days my friend, those were the days
I tested this last night. I changed my codec to A1. Everything is at least twice as sharp! Thank you so much for the clear and concise video!
So happy to hear that, you’re very welcome and thanks for the support!
Lol I KNEW, that the entirety of this lengthy video could be summarized into 1 short segmented element of constitutes of data points rdy to be assimilated into the prefrontal cortex.
@@PuppetMasterdaath144 If you're strictly talking about the AV1 codec, then yes, but it's a 5 minute video, didn't drag on with anything just for higher watch time and not everyone uses Virtual Desktop, so I tried to give tips regarding any choice for using the Quest 3 as a PCVR headset.
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@@VRManCaveVirtual Drsktop with av1 with super resolution, visual are better than link cable
A small addition to the Virtual Desktop preferred codec, AV1 will not be an option if your PC does not have an Nvidia GeForce 40 series or AMD 7000 series GPU. In that case, I would recommend to choose HEVC or HEVC 10bit, as h264 is mostly going to make color muddy when mixed with others. It might be different if you can handle the higher bitrate settings, but that's just from my experience.
Very good addition, thank you for that!❤️ I kept reminding myself to mention that when making the video and then I obviously forgot 🤦🏻♂️
i have an rx 6650 xt and i use av1-10 bit on VD. so my question is does that make it default to hevc? Its weird because it seems to also look a lot better than using the hevc codec. I've read amd 6000 series is capable of av1 but idk if that has anything to do with virtual desktop
@@Swaves_Gaming That is interesting, seeing from Guy himself saying it's only for the 7000 series. Said in another Reddit thread that it falls back to the HEVC encoder when trying it with a non-7000 card, but if it works for you, more power to you
@@Swaves_Gaming I'm honestly not sure, I've never tried an AMD GPU personally, but I'd think the AV1 support is not necessarily related to what the card can do, but rather what Virtual Desktop itself is configured for, but I might be wrong. We need someone smarter to chime in 😁
I believe its whether your card can encode in av1 - for example rtx3080 can decode but not encode. I have a 3000 series and still able to choose av1 as an option on VD streamer but then checking in performance panel in quest 3 headset its defaulted back to HEVC
Just looking at the amount of responses you’ve given in the comments. That alone deserves some credit… nice work
Yeah I always do my best to reply to as many comments as possible. All of you are supporting my dream by watching these videos, so the least I can do is respond to you. Thanks so much for watching!
Virtual desktop was made by a wizard in his basement and Valve's entire VR dev team can't compete with him.
Haha well said!
What is so good about it over others? I purchased it and genuinely want to know
@@The_Moony_Loony it uses a lot less bandwidth than the valve one an streams much smoother. So it usually gives wired connection quality from anywhere in my house.
@@Arthiem Are you hooked up directly to ethernet? Sadly I cannot. Even with wifi 6 and 1gb fiber. Anything about 50 mpbs bitrate causes stutter.
@@joshuam4993 pc was. Now im using wifi on both pc and it does stutter a bit. I need to feed my Ethernet through the ceiling because i bought a house and stopped renting.
Setting the pc's wifi card as the headset connection point does help quite a bit though
Super pleased with Quest 3 PCVR performance over Quest 2. I had some issues with Quest 2 PCVR. Took a bit of tweaking and fiddling. Quest 3 worked better for me out of the box, with defaults. And it looks a lot better than Quest 2. Draw distance clarity in HL Alyx is so much better. And this is before I've started tweaking! Running a medium system with an (now) ageing 3060ti. Was thinking about upgrading to a 4070 or 4070ti after getting Quest 3. Not sure I need it right now! Maybe if I start pushing settings in games. But, as I said, things look considerably better already.
If you are upgrading for vr you definitely want a gpu with dual encoders, 4070ti and up will have it.
@@nese1As I said, It’s going fine for me on my 3060ti. With a distinct lack of triple A PCVR titles on the horizon, at this point if I upgrade my GPU it won’t be for VR!
@@Dogboy73 Sure, do whatever you like, just wanted to point out so you don’t regret anything afterwards.
I went from a 3080 to a 4070ti and got a huge performance gain in pcvr.
I've only got a gtx1080 but I was running HL:Alyx on nearly max settings through my Index before it died. Wonder how I'll go if I use the quest 3 and if I'll have to dial back the settings for some reason. Maybe the resolution on the Quest 3 is just higher than the Index....
If only I didn't have to return the Index controllers to get my refund on the broken headset 😢
If you have a laptop with intel wifi 6e card, you can just create a hotspot from your laptop and connect to it from the quest, I've been doing this and it runs flawless. I didn't need to buy another router and my laptop doesn't even have ethernet connector
Yes newer laptops with 6e can do that. I tried on my old laptop with a regular Wi-Fi 5 card and it was horrible 😄
I just noticed that my PC has a WIFI 6E card! Thanks for the tip : )
this is cool how do you connect your quest 3 to the laptop hotspot?
Is there a big quality difference between connecting quest 3 with airlink or usb cable to pc ?
Yeah, Airlink is limited to about 100 Mbps IIRC, whereas with the cable you can put the bit rate up much higher (I've got mine at about 450 Mbps). I went the cable route early on as I found the compression artefacts too distracting with Airlink.
@@adz951 Airlink technically goes higher, 200 cap I think, might be able to put it higher with ODT or itll just cause everything to break
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction: Using Quest 3 as a PCVR Headset
00:13 - Connecting with the Link Cable
00:40 - Setting Up Oculus App
01:23 - Adjusting Oculus App Settings
02:17 - Using Oculus Debug Tool for Advanced Settings
03:00 - Exploring Wireless PCVR Options
03:29 - AirLink: Meta's Native Option
03:57 - Virtual Desktop: A Favorite PCVR Method
04:40 - Choosing Preferred Codec in Virtual Desktop
05:09 - Configuring Virtual Desktop Settings for Wireless PCVR
05:49 - Conclusion and Video Review Information
It’s my understanding that the av1 codec on virtual desktop requires a 40 series card or equivalent amd card. Also, the creator of virtual desktop himself said av1 is experiencing high latency; This should be fixed in the future though.
Yes the AV1 codec currently only works on 4000 series Nvidia cards and I believe 7000 series AMD ones. AV1 looks great to me and the added latency is not noticeable if you have a good networking setup.
Good to hear it's fixable. I found AV1 added at least 10ms more latency over NVENC.
Great video- I just noted that upon connecting the headset the Oculus PC app shows the red icon indicating the Mic is not connected - I struggled with this myself and the solution is to go to Windows Virtual Reality setup click the Audio setting and disable the top 2 options related to Sound and Mic redirection - Worked for me ;-)
Thanks so much for watching and the kind comment! And yeah I will definitely try that for fixing the mic issue, thanks for sharing! ❤️
For big open games like skyrim or big maps in the pavlov mode push i use the link cable at 1.5 in the oculus app sampling and 850bit in the oculus debug tool,90hz it looks amazing.. For a nice wireless session i use virtual desktop at av1 codec at 200bitrate for smaller indoor games or smaller maps like halflife alex etc that looks amazing too.. But larger maps need the link cable with the settings to avoid compression.. I had many highend pcvr headsets like the varjo vr3,pimax chrystal,star vr one.. but this quest 3 can do alot for its price..And a amazing sweetspot!(great lenses) Only a pitty that a link cable doesnt keep the quest 3 at full charge
Thanks for sharing your experience, and yes I agree, the Quest 3 is amazing for the price point and I think it'll keep getting better with new features over time like the Quest 2 did.
Great video! One question: if you use Virtual Desktop as recommended at the end of the video, the suggested changes in the settings of the Oculus app and the Oculus Debug Tool file will not take effect anyway, correct?
Thanks Hector! Yes that’s correct, the Oculus settings are just for Link/Airlink and not VD.
Thank you! This is the comment I was looking for!
Day 2 of my Quest 3 and so happy to be back in VR land - thankyou for such an awesome post!
Wi-Fi 6e doesn’t really improve the bandwidth or latency over 6, it’s just good if you have a lot of 5 GHz Wi-Fi signals around to contend with
It does increase bandwidth, but indeed no VR headset uses the extra bandwidth yet. It’s about extra headroom more than anything else. I don’t live in a congested area at all and changing to 6E has been a massive improvement to how high I can push the bitrate on AirLink.
On the sponsors note at 1:01, don't you calibrate the goggles themselves? Kinda like binoculars, shouldn't that fix any prescription issues, or am I mistaken?
They're two different things. Yes you need to set your IPD(distance between your eyes), but that won't magically fix your need for wearing glasses if you normally use those. If your eyes simply need help focusing at a certain distance, you will still need that with VR, and prescription lenses help avoid the need to wear your glasses in the headset.
May be a stupid question but, will most of these tweaks also work with a Quest 2?
Not stupid at all, and yes they will work on Quest 2 as well!
I'm one year late to this video, but still find it very informative and relevant to my current situation, where I am thinking of buying the Quest 3.
After this video, I will definitely get one.
I have subscribed, thanks for the video!
@@krayzieridah thank you so much for watching and subscribing, it always means a lot when I get such a kind and thoughtful comment. You’ve made my day! ❤️
You would buy Quest 3 for PSVR2 ? Even though both of them can work with PCVR
That jawdropping moment totally killed me 🤣
Glad you enjoyed it 🤣
Anybody know what the game is at around 0:12sec? Looks like you are in a cockpit of a ship, flying through a city. Thank you .
Aircar. It's a free little tech demo.
Do you have to change the settings in the Oculus Debug Tool if using virtual desktop? Also, what is the difference between avi1 and Avi1 10 bit for quest 3 on VD. Have a 4090 btw.
No Virtual Desktop will not be able to use the settings from the Debug Tool, those are just for Link/Airlink. The 10-bit allows for a higher number of colors to be displayed, so in games with dark environments or lots of colors, the 10-bit codecs will likely look better, but might also add a bit of extra latency. Also everyone’s eyes perceive things a bit differently so it’s worth trying all of them and seeing which one you prefer.
i can only use av1 10bit av1 i dont have why?@@VRManCave
The pass through quality of the quest 3 is horrible, I’m trying to do mixed realistic vr for a flight sim and it’s not attainable with the poor passthrough quality. Any fix???
Better lighting is the only thing you can really do honestly.
Over exaggerating the quality I can literally play my piano with the passthrough
do you have a tutorial for the desktop version of VD? YT is flooded with wireless VD, hard to find for the steam version with cable.
Excuse my ignorance here, but why would you want to use the Steam version of VD? You can see your desktop directly in the Oculus Home or any other headset you might have. I’m genuinely curious.
Is it dramatically different between wired and wireless? On the line between staying wireless or doing cable with asseto corsa
If you have a powerful PC and a good dedicated router and can crank up everything to max, then no, there’s not that big of a difference. But for situations where you need to keep settings lower or your wireless connection isn’t great, then yeah the stability and clarity over wire is superior. Hope that helps!
@@VRManCave perfect thanks!
Can we all just appreciate that some nail to instant transition to the video?
Haha thank you mate! 😄
Is there a way to have pass through in rift mode?
Well you can still double tap the side to enter passthrough, but if you mean having the menu, etc. in passthrough, then sadly no.
Great video, thank you. I have some questions. If we are using Steam for PCVR, will this resolution change at Oculus app apply for SteamVR as well?
I am asking this because I saw SteamVR has its own resolution and its not same with Quest 3 values.
Thanks so much for watching! So basically anything you set in the Oculus App/Virtual Desktop will count as 100% resolution in Steam, and if your PC can handle it, you can upsample even more from Steam, though I’d generally recommend sticking to only one layer when setting resolution. So just change it in the Quest app or Virtual Desktop and leave the Steam setting alone.
Hey, I have a question. For the past few days, I've been struggling with settings, cables, and similar things to configure my Quest 3 properly. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it to a point where the image is clear and pleasant to the eye. I'm connecting via the Link cable, but the issue persists. Objects up close look quite decent, but there's a significant amount of aliasing when looking at things in the distance. I find it hard to believe that this is normal, as I've read so many reviews praising the resolution and image quality. I used to use the HP Reverb G2 before, and despite having a very similar screen resolution, the quality was far better, both for standalone games and PCVR. Does anyone know why the resolution is so poor? Does the quality seem okay for you, and are you not experiencing such strong aliasing?
The quality on Quest 3 is really good. Some aliasing in the distance is normal but overall it should be very sharp as long as your PC can handle it. Regarding the G2, I haven’t personally tried one, and not sure what you mean with standalone as it is only PCVR, but my understanding is that while it’s very clear, the sweet spot is tiny on the G2, and significantly bigger on Q3.
If you get the aliasing with Quest Standalone titles, you can try "Quest Games optimizer", an amazing tool that increases standalone Quality so much that to me it sometimes felt as if my Quest 3 suddenly became a Quest 4. (No joke! It does use a lot of battery though, and the headset gets way warmer)
If you get the aliasing on PCVR, despite good quality settings... then you might be in the same boat as I am: It is a bug. A strange bug. One I have not yet been able to clearly identify. Because on another PC with the same specs I did NOT have that issue, but on my own PC I do. I suspect it has something to do with Windows Settings and drivers, not with the Hardware itself.
You might want to play around with the Bitrate Settings in the Oculus Tray tool. You might want to try a different cable. A different USB port. And: Audiosettings. When I deactivated ALL my audio devices... The image was wonderful. So maybe the problem is with some Audio settings/bugs.
Yeah I just bit the bullet and bought the link cable.
The wireless connect doesn't work for me as my internet connection is not strong enough
And no other cable I bought worked well enough
I cannot believe I just spent $80 on a freaking cable but honestly it was worth it as I'm going to play the crap out of this thing
The official link cable is definitely the most reliable, but yeah, expensive af. The internet connection though has absolutely no impact on the wireless connectivity, since you connect over the local network and not the internet. A good router will sort all those issues for you. I haven't used a wire in ages since getting the TP-Link router I have in the description.
@@VRManCave yeah I believe I'm going get one of those soon as well.
The router that we currently have is a bit outdated
By like 6 years.
I'm trying to convince the folks to let me upgrade it
@@VRManCave so far I've had no issues with the cable.
I had to get a adapter hub because my computer does not have a USBC connection directly on the motherboard
Other than that though
And other than the price I can't complain.
Though I do wish the quality in some of the games wasn't so grainy.
And I've gone through and done just about everything I can do settings wise.
And my computer is a pretty darn good beast as well
And I think it's just it is what it is
TL;DR: Virtual Desktop with AV1 codec if you have a 40 series GPU, otherwise use h264+ for outdoor scenes with high bitrate (250-350mbps+ can see things far away clearly like foliage and players), or HEVC 10 bit at a lower bitrate (100-150) for indoor games where you don't have to see as far, as it will have less color banding than h264+, but more latency.
I pretty much exclusively use h264+ at 280mbps as I mostly play multiplayer FPS games and the reduced latency of h264+ paired with better visibility at distances is perfect.
Great comment, thank you for the input and sharing your experience! Just curious, what are your PC specs?
@@VRManCave 9900k 3080 32gb ram
@@salmonskinlover2365 Thanks for the reply, that's an awesome system you have there!
You seem to have to mastered the art of visual clarity. Have you tried any displayport hmd yet?
@@Nico1a5 yup. Best wired headset I have is the Pimax 8KX and quest 3 beats it in everything except for fov.
You say you are running "a beast of a PC" - but what is it? It would be helpful to know that way I can compare my machine to yours and get an idea of where I can land. I have a pretty beefy machine too - 3090 and i9 9900 so I can probably run pretty high settings, but your specs would give an idea of where we can go.
I have a full video on the channel about it. It’s a 7950x3D, 32gb of RAM and RTX4090.
Quest 3 had an update and now DCS crashes. Took me a year to finally get it right including upgrading from the quest 2, building an entire new PC and about 3-4 apps to adjust settings. Had to switch to steamVR and it runs like crap. Im gonna try the virtual desktop and hopefully I will be happy again. I literally just got a desk, chair and the new turtle beach flight deck HOTAS and now DCS has a new update with the new launcher as well as the new update from Meta which broke my setup!😂😂😂
If using Virtual Desktop I’d highly recommend the VDXR runtime as it bypasses Oculus and Steam entirely and runs awesome!
@@VRManCave I will absolutely do that as soon as I can get my own router and internet. I share with 4 other people!!! Im on the standard modem wifi🤣🤣
Great video man
Thanks dude, appreciate you taking the time to watch and leave such a nice comment! ❤️
Virtual Desktop is my favorite. I run a rtx4090 and a wifi6 system. SteamVR is at 150% SS even 70% SS runs fine. I maxed out all settings in steamVR 72fps is my favorite to reduce system hogging. It looks like 12k quality gaming. Thanks for the clarity. Just to add, I have a ps4vr2 and it is a complete blurr mess compared to this setup.
Yup, totally agree! Thanks so much for watching and happy VR-ing! 😄
Its a blurry mess against a 150% supersampling and Cas sharpening?? No waaaay bro xD
@@beastsson You didn't try it. If you used 70% on steamlink app or oculus app, it's a blurry mess. In Virtual Desktop, maxing out all settings on a high end system gives you an FPS boost while sharpening everything. Looks very sharp. Yup. 70% looks nasty on other system. I know you didn't try. you need to max out all settings in virtual desktop. It uses the quest 3 gpu to make everything nice and sharp eliminating excessive data on your pc. It's like 8k resolution.
Hi @VRManCave, if my usecase is only movies and no gaming would i still need AV1 encoding and VR graphic quality "Godlike"? I only use VD for sbs movies and i like the theater environment of VD compared to Skybox/Bigscreen/DeoVR/Whirligig/simpleVR.
Im using a laptop with 3080 150w. Thank you
Can we please get an update on this? @vrmancave
The encoder and graphic quality will still determine the clarity of the image, so it will definitely help when it comes to movies too. Obviously the quality of the movie itself will count too, since if you are using a 720p movie, no amount of settings will improve that by much.
@@VRManCave appreciate your reply, I use 1080p bluray 3D since 3D blurays are only limited to 1080 for now. Since my laptop is 3080 i guess I wont be able to use AV1 encoding sadly. What other codec would u recommend for my 3080 laptop?
Thanks for your response, subscribed :)
Noon question but if the oculus can do 800 bit rate and vd only 200 wouldn't the oculus work better? I know I missed something important but I've watched this 3 times now lol
No worries at all for asking. VD is more flexible and also has the AV1 codec available, which Airlink doesn't. That codec makes even lower bitrates look better. Overall I'd say yes, 800 bitrate looks fantastic, but some users just don't have the setup to back that up. If you have a high end PC and high end router with an ideal setup, then 800 will give you better visuals. If not, VD is a great middle ground between performance, latency and visuals. Hope that makes sense!
@VRManCave that makes sense Thank you! 4070ti + mq3 first time pc gamer lol
@@dusthart8303 You should have a great experience with a 4070ti, enjoy the world of PCVR man!
I have a wifi 6, but my PC is not connected directly to router. I have a +500Mbps connectionPC wifi , so is it necessary to have an ethernet connection to the router ? thanks for your videos
Sorry for the delay. It’s due to fluctuations in Wi-Fi vs wire. If someone is watching something on Netflix or if there’s any movement or interference between your PC and router, your VR experience will suffer because of it. It’s not mandatory to have it wired, but highly recommended. And generally allows for higher bitrates and more stability overall.Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the tips in your video! May I know if any of the settiing in your video will reduce the life of the headset?
Glad you found it helpful! Everything I showed is absolutely safe. I’ve been doing it from day one after Quest 2 launched and continued on Quest 3 with zero issues so far.
I am curious how this works under the hood. Virtual Desktop essentially replaces the Oculus app? Does it communicate with StreamVR?
Does the debug tool only affect quest 3 when on link cable or airlink but not on virtual desktop?
That’s correct, yes!
just ordered a link cable from kiwi design! gonna check on this vid again once it arrives.
Awesome, it's a great choice. Let me know in case you have questions, but maybe just leave a new comment instead of replying to this one because RUclips doesn't notify me of replies to existing comments for some reason.
hi sir ,
i love watching movies, 3d sbs movies. can we enjoy 3d movies on quest 3? i have xreal air 2 but i couldnt enjoy full screen movies on it.
Hey there! Yeah the Quest 3 is fantastic for 3D movies actually, and you can use the Bigscreen VR app to stream them without having to download and also watch with friends.
@@VRManCave thankq for replying. is there any video/link of that ?
Can you explain how to use pass through mode with the hard links or anything else?
Not sure what you mean by “hard links”, but passthrough is not really used that much in PCVR.
@@VRManCave oh sorry I meant thru the link cable. I’m trying to play 2d video games and looking for the best option. The link cable mode for meta 3 I guess removed a pass through mode in there last update. I like the cable cause it has lower latency for shooters like breakpoint. I guess what I’d like to see you do and I think other people would be interested in seeing is. What is the best option to play non vr games and how to do it (with wired mouse and keyboard, using the vr as your monitor). I’m trying the separate router and virtual desktop for my headset and going to see what the latency is and also going to try the link cable and try playing mouse and keyboard even though I can’t see anything in my peripherals because no pass thru mode
I have a 4070ti, should I stay wired or try to go the wireless route? At the moment I don’t have a wifi6 router but can get one. Just wondering if the image quality is better wireless vs wired. Thoughts?
With a 4070ti you should have a great experience regardless of which route you go. The graphics card has very little to do with wireless performance or visuals, as it's all down to the networking side of things. The image quality is not gonna be better wireless, but it can be pretty much on par with wired with the right setup.
@@VRManCave wow amazing response time lol, thanks a lot! Just reset my PC so going through the pain of configuring it for VR again 😂. Thanks again.
Thanks for the awesome video!!! :) also, what song did you use for the background? I likez it. :)
Thanks so much for watching! The background song is called Probiotic. and it's by Timothy Infinite, you can find it on Spotify in the Epidemic Sounds playlists, which is where I get my music from :)
@@VRManCave yes, i was looking this up because i keep hearing that you can play games that were made with unreal engine, but i wasnt sure how to get started on it. I have the quest 2 and am super excited to try it. :) also, do you know if these games can be played in first person, or only in 3rd person? ;/
Do you have a video for best nvidia control panel settings for VR?
No because it would be a very short video. I only use Prefer maximum performance on thje Power Management Mode and Texture Filtering on Quality. Also for more powerful headsets I might do 2-3 under VR Pre-rendered frames.
i only see AV1 10bit (quest3) option.. and offcause H264 and H264+ and HEVC 10bit and normal HEVC .. why can i not see AV1 (Quest3) as you have ?
I'm in the same situation, the AV1 option (Quest3) doesn't show up for me either, even though I'm using an Nvidia 40 series. Did you manage to solve it?
@@marcospaegle nope, but i use av1 10bit.. seems to be fine.. everything look good so.. hope i not miss out on it can look better:) - also i bought a link cable that have a charger slot on it so i can charge and play same time... i use that mostly now, and not the virtual desktop.
Then again i got my Bobvr newest version with battery so now i am ready for virtual desktop again :)
great video man!
Thank you so much man, appreciate that! ❤️
Yes, yes, XR2 gen 2 is super power, I want more... soon to see next gen XR2 gen 2 Tier 2 coming ...
Yeah for sure a big jump. Even on stand-alone going in and out of games is sooo much quicker, and for PCVR it just feels much smoother.
Very helpful info for this new quest user, i can't thank you enough.....so i subbed!
Thanks so much Noel, appreciate it and happy to hear you found it helpful!
AV-10 should actually be superior than AV-1 according to the Virtual Desktop dev, and indeed I believe he plans to remove the AC-1 option to avoid confusion, the difference being 8 bit vs 10 bit. This of course is limited to the Quest 3 with a RTX 40 series GPU.
AV1-10bit is now the only option that shows up in VD, no more AV-1, just the 10-bit one, so he did remove it. Thanks for the comment though, and of course for watching the video!
When I connect my Q3 via usb cable, & the link app says, it's connected, & when I start the Oculus software on my pc, it says that the openXR isn't set, do I want to set it. But when I go to settings & click the button, nothing happens. I read somewhere the Oculus app needs to be running with admin privelages to set this, so I run it as admin, but still no luck. Any suggestions?
So sorry for the very late reply, just saw your comment. Not sure if you still need help, but no, Oculus software doesn’t need to run with any special admin privileges. Regarding OpenXR, it’s normal for nothing to happen when you click it since you’re just selecting which runtime OpenXR applications will use when opened. If you’re strictly using it via cable, then I recommend leaving Oculus as the default OpenXR runtime. If using Virtual Desktop for wireless PCVR, set their proprietary VDXR as the runtime.
I bought those prescription lenses
Coolest F’n thing ever. Freedom 😎
Hey there! I have a question. I have a dedicated wifi 6 router and a highend pc with a 4090. I am using your third option, but I only get the option for AV 1 with 10 bit color. I didn't get the simple AV1 option. Also, when I am playing walkabout minigolf I am getting some weird blur effect. Just was wondering if you knew what that could be.
Sorry for the late reply, I’m currently on vacation :). Virtual Desktop updated the options and AV1 is gone, only the AV1 with 10bit is available now. Regarding the blur, try playing around with the settings, but you definitely should not be getting that. Is it happening in any other game or just Walkabout?
Well done video. I'm gonna try these as soon as i get home... Now if only they increased the passthrough res :)
Thanks man, appreciate it! And yeah it would be great to make the passthrough better but I think that’s up to the cameras themselves. It does get way better if you’re in a well lit room but that’s about it 😄
Thanks. How do the changes you suggest impact battery drain?
They don't affect battery as far as I could tell. All these changes happen on the PC side, so the Quest itself should not suffer from any faster battery drain.
@@VRManCave Thanks for that. Nobody mentions that you need a USB C to C for charging in all the vids I've seen. Handy info :)
so, my pc is a 4060 ti and r5 7600, which refresh rate and rendering resolution you think would be good?
It really depends on your preference. But you should be able to run either 120hz at 1-1.1x resolution or 90hz at 1.2-1.3x resolution. Of course it will depend on the game and in-game settings as well.
Is paying for the Virtual Desktop app really needed vs the free built in Airlink?
It offers more settings and customization, so I'd say it's worth the 20 bucks, but at the same time if you're happy with Airlink, that's all that really matters!
That intro transition was so fire
THANK YOU for noticing, I recorded it like a billion times to get everything to align properly 🤣
@@VRManCave 😂 I loved it. Had to rewatch it a couple times
@@vipersnakegamer5081 Haha glad to hear. I'm constantly trying new things and looking to improve, so it's great seeing your thoughts on it, thank you!
Hi great video just cant find where you said router wifi settings in description as struggling to set up my wifi6 router to max performance thanks 👍
Yo, I literally bought a TP Link AXE5400 3 days ago lol. It works nice
Yeah it's really good :)
I have yet to find a video that explain why using wireless VR is better than wired. Having a USB connection to your headset shouldn't bring more stability and larger bandwidth? People barely have Wifi5, so Wifi6 is really out of the question unless you are shopping for a new router
From a data transmission perspective you’re right, wireless is not better, though it is getting damn close if you have a good networking setup. The part where wireless is king is just the freedom of movement without a wire.
@VRManCave agreed. Respectfully, it doesn't need a video to explain why free range of movement is better.😂
@@VRManCave Agreed on the "freedom of movement " part; although from a technical standpoint the benefit is not matched yet, compared to the wired solution.
I get that people have the desire to go wireless; or maybe I am just not that bothered by small things, because I don't jump on walls or turn around constantly in FPS games I guess, to feel the hassle of a wire.
@@fcf8269Yeah, even with a new WiFi 6 router a few meters from me, and running Virtual Desktop, I still get a few hitches here and there when running wirelessly. Even with the bitrate turned down a little bit. I'll probably continue to experiment, but for now the cabled experience trumps the non-cabled experience (especially since Virtual Desktop uses SteamVR for games instead of the Oculus runtime).
Do the Oculus& Debug settings effect the system when using the Virtual desktop method?
Nope, those are just for Link/Airlink.
That transition from the thumbnail was cleann
@@Mmmmmmm_15 hahaha thanks for noticing, it took me way longer than I thought it would 😅
Any good ubs-c cable will do fine. Because there was only this very short one in the box, i used the one for my microphone and it worked great.
Yeah it just depends on the bandwidth, but if you don't plan on increasing the bitrate, you're good. Also, some cables seem to charge the Quest faster than others.
@@VRManCave I plan on getting a better wlan soon.
I plan on changing my router to a model with the latest wlan tech. I hope I can have the computer and the metaquest3 in two separate rooms. Would be great if it works.
So this guide looks good but I just have one big question that buggs me.
Why would anyone ever turn down the refresh rate?
If your pc can´t do 90 fps having 90Hz is still positive and also does not hurt your performance in any way.
That’s a solid question! If your PC can’t push a certain refresh rate, keeping it set to that does actually hurt your performance, since your computer “tries” to hit that, which leads to way more fluctuation in fps and consequently, stutters and lag. A rock solid 72hz will always feel smoother than setting it to 90 or 120 and having it constantly move up and down depending on the in-game scene.
The biggest thing is that the encoding framerate is static. If you set it to 120, but your pc only renders, for example, 76fps the encoding just duplicates the frames, but the bandwith stays the same. You are essentially wasting the bitrate, since you're not getting 120fps, but encoding at 120, so the image quality is lower (72 fps 500bitrate offers better quality than 120fps 500bitrate). You're essentially throwing away the quality for no reason if you're encoding at higher framerate than your PC can push.
I'm wondering how the Airlink / VD resolution works together with SteamVR / in-game resolution? Does the headset automatically report the right resolution to the game itself and there is no need to change the resolution anywhere else?
Yes whatever you set in VD/Link will be reported to SteamVR as being 100% resolution. You can supersample in SteamVR in addition to increase the resolution even more if your PC can handle it, but for the most part setting it in VD/Link should be enough.
I think PCVR will increase in quality a lot once AV1 hardware encoding becomes the norm and Vr games start using technologies like FSR3 with frame generation, far from the ideal native resolution and native high frame rate, but should be a good midpoint until GPU's get powerful enough to run those resolutions at 90/120 fps stable, that or maybe a new tech appears that allows for better performance even with actual hardware.
I agree, but realistically AV1 and any other encoding/decoding only happens on 2in1 headsets like the Meta ones. On any native VR headset it will look great by default since it does not have to compress the signal and then decode it.
@@VRManCave Well, that's not entirely true, even high end 4k monitors (specially those that go into high refresh rates above 90Hz) compress image because HDMI nor DP support such massive data transfers, it's reduced to the point of barely noticable/nonexistent in terms perception but the compression is there, usually all done on a hardware level, so yeah, better ways to encode/decode image actually benefit all headsets in the end.
I would like to run a type c cable for best quality, speed, battery, no WiFi so were not getting a lobotomy. I’m still trying to figure it out.
Lobotomy?? What? 🤣 Anyway yeah you can go for a cable if that suits better.
Which game is this SciFi flight in the end of the video? 😮
It's AirCar :)
Is Virtual Desktop still worth it now that SteamLink is available?
I’d love to give you a straight answer, but it depends. For some it seems SteamLink works better, others say the quality is still waaay better in VD or AirLink. Personally I’m still testing.
I bought cable lenses and a comfortable helmet but do I have to download something before connecting? app oculus ? only
Yes you'll need to download the Oculus App on your PC.
where should we buy virtual desktop ? quest store or steam
Quest Store.
I’ve been using only wired so far, hesitant to pull the trigger on a new wifi 6 router because it would only be for wireless pcvr.
I run wired at 120hz, maxed res and 700 bitrate.
Can I run anywhere near that with wifi6?
Honestly if your primary use is iRacing, I don’t see the point since the wire is not a big deal while sim racing. You can get those figures with a good wi-fi router yes, but again, not sure if it’s worth it for your use case.
The draw would be for battery life/endurance races. I still get battery drain when connected and running full res etc. if I was wireless could plug in battery.
There are the inline power cables but I read those impact bitrate. True?
W thumbnail transition
Thanks for noticing 😄
Any chance sidequest updates for quest3 and we can tweak passthrough settings?
Not that I am aware of.
I have an RTX 4090 and I only see AV1 10-bit (Quest 3). Why is there no AV1 (Quest 3) for me? - Also which will be the best looking settings with the lowest latency to play beat saber without any drops/lag?
Yeah I believe they removed AV1 since I made this video. Lowest latency is still probably H.264 but it wouldn't necessarily be a noticeable difference between VD and AirLink. Lowest possible latency is still via wire.
Hey what is your face cover for the quest ? Thank you
@@Monolokosito i’ve switched to the globular cluster one since making this video, but the one shown here is just the official Quest 3 one in the blue colour.
I am using the Meta Quest 3 with a link cable for simracing games on Steam (AMD GPU).
Right now, I do not want to use the OpenXRtool kit and OpenComposite.
In most games, I have the option to start in Steam VR or oculus mode. I am uncertain which one is better performance wise. Even when I get the message in oculus mode your HMD is not supported. Is this still better?
If so, should the game be started within the Meta environment or in Steam itself?
Does anyone have a recommendation and maybe an explanation why?
Thank you very much in advance.
Doesn’t matter where you start the game, but yeah generally it’s better to go with Oculus mode if it’s available. When using a cable, the Oculus runtime runs anyway, and if you go with SteamVR mode for games, then both Oculus and SteamVR will be running in the background, instead of just Oculus. Hope that makes sense!
@@VRManCave Thanks this helped a lot.
Does this work where the input is a streamed video that is decoded on the device?
"Asynchronous SpaceWarp is a tool for improving framerate on PCVR headsets (like Rift), and should not be confused with Application SpaceWarp (AppSW), which is a tool for improving framerate on mobile headsets (like Quest)."
Not sure what you mean by “streamed video” but as the description you’ve added says, Async Spacewarp is the PCVR equivalent of ASW for standalone. It generates “fake” frames in order to make things feel more smooth, but ideally you’d want this off if your PC can handle it.
hi I don't really know anything about it. please recommend a wifi router for meta quest 3 around 110 euro, ty
check the video description
Yup I have options in the description :)
if I have a 4090 how much should I be able to upscale the resolution. i have ethernet as well
You could probably even go as high as 1.5x or more. It will depend on the refresh rate you want, the games you’re playing and the in-game settings.
Is virtual desktop working only with WiFi?
Yes it’s strictly wireless.
I want to switch between Link Cable and Virtual Desktop from time to time. Do I need to reset the Oculus Debug Tool settings to default before switching to Virtual Desktop? Does messing with those settings impact my Virtual Desktop connection too or just the Link Cable connection?
In my experience, just make sure that the PC Oculus link program is TOTALLY OFF (and doesn't start with a PC start or anything) before running Virtual Desktop and vice versa
The settings you mess with in the Oculus Debug Tool have nothing to do with any of the Virtual Desktop settings and they don't impact each other if only one is on at a time
I hope that this helps!
@@thelordofgiggles sounds good, thanks for the help!
So does Virtual Desktop replace Airlink for wireless PCVR?
Yup, it absolutely can replace it.
My specs are,
RTX 3080
Ryzen-7
16GB ram.
Is this a good spec for quality vr ?
It’s an excellent spec, you should have a great experience. My old PC is a Ryzen 5800x and RTX 3070 and it already was pretty good but with a 3080 you should be even better!
@@VRManCave Thank you! Also I'm a person who loves to fully capture the essence and immerse in every game so would you recommend me to get a quest 3 with 128GB,256GB or 512GB?
I have so much lags and bugs with pcvr and I have a Good setting, Idk why my sound is bugged and my pc freeze ;-; but I will try this tomorrow
Also, what GPU / RAM are you using for these settings ?
I’m using a 4090 and 32GB of Corsair RAM, but the beauty of all this is that you can optimize to get the best out of any system. My other PC has a 3070 and this makes a big difference on how well VR runs and looks on it.
@@VRManCave i have a 3070 TI and 32 GB RAM. What are optimum settings 4 that?
IS Geforce RTX 4060Ti compatibile with Quest 3? It will not connect via cable. Worked fine with RX 6600.
It’s definitely compatible, make sure you have the Oculus app installed and it should work fine. I have a 3070 PC and a 4090 one and it works perfect on both.
Arkadaşlar bu alt solda netlik ayarı var ya 60-65 falan yazıyor ekranda ya ben onu bir türlü anlamadım gözümün ideali nedir bunun bir ortalaması var mı bilmiyorum quest 3 sahibiyim ve bazen gözlerim ağrıyor siz de de aynı sorunlar oluyor mu göz yorgunluğu falan cevap veren bilgili biri olursa çok ama çok dua ederim (please write turkish)
Merhaba! Maalesef türkçe konuşamıyorum ama bunun için Google Çeviri'yi kullandım, umarım yardımcı olur. Bu ayara IPD denir ve gözbebekleriniz arasındaki mesafedir. Sadece gözlerinizin merkezi arasındaki mesafeyi ölçebilir veya telefonunuzdaki Eye Distance Measure gibi bir uygulamayı kullanabilirsiniz.
@@VRManCave sen harikasın ❤️
Does changing the oculus debug tool settings work for air link too, or just wired?
Yup it works for Airlink and Link. Thanks for watching Andrew!
@@VRManCave thanks for the reply, great video!
is that encode rate based off of hardware specs or router? I have a 6ghz router and can only set mine to about 200 before i start getting extreme lag over airlink.
It’s a combination of both, but mostly the router.
And if you not using windows? Linux alvr option pretty much only option
On Linux you always run the risk of compatibility issues. Windows is your best bet and you can just dual-boot and only use it for VR, sticking with Linux for other day to day tasks.
If I’m using VD, should I still make all the changes to my device in the oculus app like resolution increases and stuff?
So, the Oculus App will still dictate things like resolution, but the refresh rate is set in VD. The Oculus Debug Tool settings will have no effect on VD and only work when using Link or Airlink.
Can anything be done to eliminate the warping in passthrough mode? That's the only reason I haven't bought one yet.
I believe so, but it's on Meta to do that through software updates. The warping is actually not as bad as you'd think and only really shows up on things very close to the cameras for the most part.
is there a difference if I set the encode bitrate higher at this debug tool OR at sidequest? At sidequest you can ramp up the encode bitrate too if I am right!? so should I leave it at debug tool 0 and cramp up at sidequest, OR encode bitrate 800 at debug tool and nothing changed at sidequest?
I know you can change the resolution for stand-alone in Sidequest, not sure about the bitrate for PCVR. The bitrate would need to be set in the PC software as well, not just in the headset, so I'd say Debug Tool trumps Sidequest(if it's even an option).
Does it look better with using the the cable or worse?
Well, if you have a good router then you should be able to get both to look almost the same, but latency will always be better via cable.
VR/XR/AR brethren...folks, I have a dilemma. I have a PS5/Xbox Series X/PC/Ally Rog that I'd primarily like to use with some type of 'headset' that displays the content from those devices onto the headset screen. I'd prefer it to be hardwired so that I'd have the best visual experience (unless there are devices that deliver an optimal viewing experience from those devices wirelessly). I'd like 4k screen in each eye (if possible), and 120hz (if possible) as well. And of course, all the VR/AR trimmings available (that Netflix VR sounds amazing!).
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Unfortunately there isn't a VR headset that works with all of those, and anyway 4K per eye is just too high to run even on a 4090 PC. PS5 has the PSVR2, Xbox has nothing, PC has pretty much every VR headset, and the Ally doesn't support VR as far as I'm aware. Your only real option for something that displays a screen for all of those is a pair of AR Glasses. I've reviewed the Rokid Max glasses a while ago if you wanna check that out: ruclips.net/video/Mxsr6SWF3-8/видео.html - They're micro-OLED, so great colours, 120hz refresh rate, but just 1080p, though because the screen is so close to your eyes it looks extremely sharp.
@@VRManCave Hey, I appreciate the feedback! I'll check out the Rokid Max! And great job with your channel...keep moving forward, dude! 👍
@@GooseDaPlaymaker Thank you so much man, I really appreciate that! ❤
Rokid Max are 1200p/120Hz AR glasses with 6 diopters of vision adjustment. Highly recommended over competing Xreals (I own both).
@@RolandDobbins I agree with you: the Rokid Max were my CLEAR front runner in this space until I found out that it can't do the 'Body Anchor' type of thing. I really need it to act like a still TV while I"m playing (I should have mentioned that as a major attribute I was looking for as well)...😞
great video, what is the pc vr game I see in the background?
the one in last seen