SINK OR SWIM: We *almost* ruined our sailing season before it even started.
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Well, it happened again. Every year before the start of the season, Polar Seal gets a little TLC. And this year.... it's a lot. Our boat is at the yard, the to-do list is ready to be checked and we are excited to get going.
And then... through-hulls happened.
Welcome to our first week of pre-season boat maintenance. It's going so-so...
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I don't know how you do it! Normally an episode about changing a seacock would be boring, but with you guys, it's a hoot😂😂 And Sophie is showing her command of Shakespeare's language, whereas Ryan's vocabulary is rather reduced f**k!! 😮
Bravo Sophie for carrying the video and turning problems into edutainment.
with our land Sailing schedule - we change oil yearly - brake fluid every two years - and just gas up and we are off !!!
The land Yacht is much less of a pain !!!!
Do you see the two ridges inside the hull fitting? Plumbers and steamfitters use a tool called a "spud wrench" which engages those ridges, from outside the hull, allowing it to be tightened down. The interior nut is simply held in place, not turned.
This is still the way that steam radiators are installed in large buildings.
A foot of cheap black iron pipe with two slots ground into it will do the job.
Thanks for this! it was actually not that part that was giving us issues, it was cranking the nut on inside.
@@RyanSophieSailing That’s the point, you just hold the nut on the inside and crank up from outside the last bit.
Thank for showing real boat work, and not the instagram version
you should note to your viewers that Beneteau uses brass for their seacocks and fittings so they de-zinc (pink) over time and get brittle and can fail. All to save a few $$. Nice. if they were the groco quality bronze you probably replaced them with you'd be good for decades.
In europe its very common to use DZR brass which is a bit different than the Brass found in the shops here in the US. It is recommended that those fitting be replaced every 5 years (apparently)
Sailing is not a beam reach with all sails flying as seen on monthly sailing calendars. "Real' sailing is repair, replacement, refurbishment, upgrading and constant maintenance in a continuous 'do' loop. 10% calendar sailing and 90% real sailing. Rinse and repeat.... I love it.
I absolutely adore Sophie's sense of humor. Some day we will be in the same anchorage. Should that happen it will be due to your combined inspiration.
That was the most honest video of how bad it can be to change a thru-hull I had ever seen 😮Very good to film and show how things can be difficult and not as planned 🥴🥴👍👍
„This is thread sealer. It‘s there to seal the threads.“
You‘re on par with Rambo when it comes to stating the obvious… 💪🤣
My understanding is that French boatbuilders, including Beneteau, use brass thruhulls, which should never be used in salt water. In the US we use bronze, and 20 years would be no problem. Of course brass and bronze are sometimes really the same alloy, and no maker will tell you what allow they actuslly use.
Which makes Forespar's fiberglass reinforced nylon more attractive than all the metal ones. There are cheaper all-nylon copies that are not as strong, caveat emptor.
its actually DZR brass which is different than what you find here in the US. but i agree that Bronze is the way to go
OMG so funny, Sophie you’re a hoot, very entertaining watching you both 😂
Always trouble when boat projects are being done...its the nature of the beast but all will be ok...as you know✌️💜
You may not be aware but Those through hulls are not meeting today’s ABYC standard, they need to have a backing plate and mounting feet with bolts.
Please cite where in ABYC it says this. I can find no where in the standard it says this.
Yes, endless to do list and along the way “whatever can go wrong will go wrong”. Heads up! Wishing you three a good day every day.
Sailboat project management: estimate (A) how much you think it should cost, and (B) how long you think it should take to complete. Multiply A by 5, then multiply B by 10.
Then reevaluate all your life choices that brought you to this point. Cry briefly, then soldier on.
Your coming to Nova Scotia, very cool. I look forward to those episodes as we live just outside Halifax, NS. I have a 23ft cape boat and a 24 Mirage sailboat that are tied up 7 miles from Peggy’s Cove in Shad Bay. It’s a beautiful view from the water. Lots of good sailing to be had near Halifax in St Margaret’s Bay and Mahone Bay.
I love your editing Sophie! Great to see videos every week again! Enjoy the boat project 😀
Just done mine - replaced with trudesign composite fittings - hopefully last the life of the boat. Used loads of sika and seems good. Always scary working on holes on your boat.
Boat work is never ending and I've certainly learned that those to do lists never get done as quickly as you hope. We have a 96' Catalina 320 and in the 3 years we've had it we have made lots of updates. Good luck getting all the things done, and getting launched sooner than later! Looking forward to seeing how your season progresses. Cheers!
It doesn't look like you're planning to head to Toronto but I highly recommend stopping there! Safe travels through our fantastic waterways!
Well, I guess as the projects begin, they will build momentum, and will get done
ok, little issue with your thru hull. both the one you took out and the one your replaced are incompatible. a seacock has a flange that bolts to the boat hull and will have straight female threads. what you installed was a thru-hull which has straight threads then you put a ball valve on it which is tapered npt threads. even though they will go together they are not compatible and even the original was wrong from the mfg. no flange means it cant take any side loading either. it can stress and crack. if your worried about it, this is actually not an abyc compliant installation. not trying to hate on the install but its a pretty big safety item being below the waterline so i wanted to mention it.
Thanks for the comment however i'm sure sure some of it is correct. Our boat is European so it conforms to CE and thus ISO standards but that aside. A seacock dose not have to have a flange, in fact ABYC defines a seacock with a flange as a "Flanged Sea Valve" as seacock simply needs to control the flow of water in to the vessel.
while sideloading could indeed be an issue ABYC does not require Flanged Sea Valves but only required the setup to handle a static load of 500 lbs for 30 seconds. (no i did not try this). I agree that the flange would be the better way to go however there are some practicalities in doing this.
A True boat repair saga !!
Sophie you are my hero. Love that sweet/bitter edge you have. thanks for the video!
Oui, c'est bien ça, la vie de bateau ! I love your video of the highs ans the lows of the true sailing life ! :)
Use a plumbers socket wrench to tighten the nut on the thru hull fitting. For threaded pipe fittings, use Teflon paste and tape. First coat the threads on the male fitting with paste. Then wrap the threads with tape. Finally put a coat of paste over the tape.
OMG, this sounds so familiar!
sophie, great job with video.
Adjustable spanners.... Water pump pliers come on Ryan know your tools.. 😂. Probably best to beep the fast curing comment.
Just an idea, an internal spanner wrench could make tightening the through fittings easier. Possibly, you might be able to rent one. I’m sure your project is complete by this time.
I also might have suggested a faucet wrench.
The male sockets exist and I've seen it done that way (can't remember which YT channel).
Bonjour Sophie & hello Ryan, if you need any tips for the Montréal portion, let us know... we are flying for the boat show end of April in Annapolis, looking for changing our cruiser yacht for a Sail boat and starting in 2 years our world trip .... thanks for sharing great stuff and stories 😊
I feel your pain! My boat's at HHN. It's not getting launched until the 2nd week in May. I kept holding off, waiting for good weather to do some major work. Finally got the good weather & that work is done. Now I'm stuck waiting.
Btw, I also seem to live at West Marine. That big one in Annapolis is great, besides being close to Grumps Café.
Hi guys. Great video once again. I've used Forespar marelon sea cocks with great success. Easy to service and don't corrode. The True design equivalent is equally good. Happy sailing.
Nice editing and so funny!
Amazing!
Thanks!
We live aboard all summer in the great lakes. NO salt, but the projects are the same!! Our 1987 tartan 34 takes A LOT of projects!!! (Electrical this year)..
West used to offer a "commisioning discount". If you had just bought any boat, they would give you an extra percentage off ALL of your first year's purchases, figuring that a "new to me" boat was going to require a lot of shopping over several months.
Of course, they had competitors back then.(g)
thats very interesting!
I love the repurposed flight suit used as dirty job coveralls!
Me too! it's very comfy and practical
Why not induction cooking with all the access to batteries you guys have with the Dakota Batteries??
Always scary pulling off corroded seacocks like that! That is one of our next jobs as well, hoping all goes well!
I feel your pain. I was planning to get my boat from storage 10 days before planned launch and due to things outside my control its now down to 4 days before launch. So it will be yet another launch week thrashing to get everything done. Boats are fun aren't they? 🙂
I’m not sure what to say after watching this video. Maybe you need to give up that cute comfortable house and move back onto Polar Seal to get your concentration back? Did you check with West Marine or maybe Home Depot to see if they rent a large socket or other tool that might fit over the thru hull nut to tighten it down? Waiting to see your solution in next video.😁
Hey Ryan - have a look at Knipex Adjustable Pliers Wrench Set -250mm - really smart wrench for what you are doing - retains parallel jaws
And you need the tightening tool inside the Tru hole, to lock it from rotating, whilst torquing it
I supposed that it isn’t unheard of to require the application of Prep H when dealing with stubborn through-hulls. Happens in the best of families!!! Not to worry, this too shall pass. Love to you three. You’ll get there when you get there. I think it’s a zen thing. Your mileage may vary though.
Whatever that collection of plumbing parts is, it's not a seacock. Also, if you're worried about dezincifying, it's not bronze, it's brass.
why is this not a seacock?
@@RyanSophieSailing A proper seacock is a single assembly structurally supported against the hull, without weak points between the thru-hull and the value that could leak or snap off. It's also nice if it's made of marine grade materials, like bronze or marelon.
@@RyanSophieSailing What Brian is referring to is ABYC American Boat and Yacht Council's (ABYC) Standard H-27 Seacocks, Thru-Hull Fittings and Drain Plugs. Your original seacocks were not compliant and by duplication of them on the refit leaves your vessel at risk and not ABYC compliant. The flange mounted valve will not pass a 500# shear, a second item of concern should be the lack of any visible bonding ?
Hi guys. I'm in my 4th year of boat overhaul (calling it a refit would not do it justice). I cruise most of the summer in New England then fall in the Chesapeake. When I'm not cruising I'm working on the boat. When I'm not working on the boat I'm thinking about working on the boat. Down on H dock at HHN, working on the boat...
The somewhat cursive handwriting is really good!
At 2:50 in the video while looking at your anodes I noticed in the back ground the paint on the join between the hull and heel missing.... that raises alarm bells for me when it happens to a bolt on keel like yours.
Thanks for pointing that put but it's not the keel your seeing. It's the joint fir the prop shaft/stuffing box. I'm farily sure I needed up the application in that area. Thr keel joint looked fine
I guess the never ending todo list is regardless of how much you actually sail. In my case, I was completly overhelme when I finish off the preps for the season and realised that my todo list is longer that it was at the beginnig. Sometimes you just have to say stop. It feels like a crappy boss, the boat will always demand more than you can actually do 😂
This is such an accurate statement 😆😆😆
Very nice video. Thank you. New color palette?
Ah the joy of boat to do lists, once you tick one item of the list, two or three more magical appear.
Well, I had to fix rudder before start of season and it seems already endless. Maybe for 2 weeks, I’m spending every second day already. The problem is even if you could do at shorter periods, some materials need drying, sanding, several layers and because of that, it can’t be completed faster. And of course many others things pop up.
An Amel has ONE throughhull
27.6.1 The seacock must be able to withstand “a 500 pound static force applied for 30 seconds to the inboard end the assembly, without the assembly failing to stop the ingress of water.”
Terry
There’s a hardware store in Deale that has some marine parts
Nice to see a "warts and all" videos like this. Awesome guys. Also, help Ryan out, please take the pink bow off Barnacle to make her look a bit less like a handbag dog :)
One thing I already learned at the very beginning of a long sailing ‘career’, is that if you don’t like working on the boat (enhancing, fixing, maintaining), you will abandon sailing fairly quickly. And it is completely independent on what boat you have, it applies from sailing dinghies all the way to big yachts. Now you can hire professionals to do the work for you, but that is going to be very costly. Money only the super rich have. It is also been said that the sailing sport is likely the most expensive sport there is on earth. So go figure!
Also if you don’t own a boat, but as a crew help out an owner or skipper with boat work, you will score a lot of brownie points.
Sailing is a "high cost high reward activity" ;)
Off Season means Maintenance & Repairs…It seems the more ya know, the more ya notice problems😜…Continue to Stay Safe and Enjoy😎
If the yellow alloy scratches pink, that's from electrolysis (galvanic action) and happens quickly with brass, or improper zincs and stray current.
First Keel rusting- Kill the rust and Barrier Coat it, but don't pay a premium for dedicated "Barrier Coat Epoxy" Use plain Laminating epoxy and three coats of it, and if you end to Fair the Keel, just add the additives for fairing, it's all the same stuff and is a fraction of the price.
the thruhuls on my boat are original from it was new, in 1984. they look so bad that i think they will break if i look to long at them
Hope you make it up here to Canada! Looks like Murphies law is on your cases😂
It always is. Murphy comes with every boat, it’s included in the price 😆😆😆
thumbs up!
Are your thru hulls bonded together with a bonding wire to a common ground to control electrolysis?
Sophie Why ur not making 6 figures is beyond me, ur priceless Women, ur presentation, filming and acting skills are natural and full of spirit. One day you'll sitting at the top of the flybridge of a million $ catamaran holding Barnicle singing sea shanties. Really enjoy ed this episode thanks 🌈🌟😲🐶
Yeah for singing sea shanties
Buy a cheap wrench and cut the handle off and weld on a vertical handle? Haha. Stupid plumbing is a real pain
Sophie you are bloody brilliant, sometimes boat work is a laugh or cry situation and you really go for the laugh option wholeheartedly 😂, anyway we’re on the hard as well with unexpected issues that have been hard to deal with so thanks for this little reminder that boat work is never a straight line for anyone, even people with experience
Launch Day pressure can really Suck, My last boat was ready to splash at the startnof peak launching Season in the part of Massachusetts I was at, and the Only Slot available was After my Visitors Visa ran out. Talk about increasing Panicn😅 But the brilliant Yard people got me squeezed in and Afloat, with the following day leaving at First light, I had 3 days to leave USA Territorial . I got into the Gulf Stream heading for Bermuda on day 89, Panic over, until a Tornado Warning came over the VHF, then it was Panic Stations again, and a search for a good Harbour to run to started. Phew ! Best Wishes and Fair Winds. . Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Thats wild
W0W!
There are actually 3 West Marine stores down here. But I prefer Fawcett :)
Had a British boat in the 70's. Can't remember if it was butane or propane. I did at the time however . Looked to find the same in the Pacific but all they had was gas. Had to use it and since I was ignorant to what I was using I had no problems. I most likely broke a dozen or so cardinal rules. Go figure. Cheerio Jon
@Ryan why didnt you have an adjustable wrench in your toolkit :P ?
I wish I could have connected with you in HHN. I've splashed and am now across the creek in Shipwright.
Well, we're not far away! :)
Apart from the rubbish Chinese Chain they stock, I loved the West Marine Branches .I went to in Massachusetts when I was getting my last Sailboat ready. Great People. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
I think that you have much more break down on boats which are not being used than a boat being used a lot when you were not using your boat, you will have problems with pumps toilets systems, air conditioning, fridges your batteries all the things that needs to be used to maintain a healthy life. If you’re using your boat a lot you might have more where on your sales and your engine and your generator but that is for seeable and can be kept up with regularity maintenance 😊 by the way, you forgot one thing on your to do list don’t forget to polish three stage your Gelcoat is also something that need maintenance as your engine does to keep the value of your boat up, especially if you’re thinking about selling as you were mentioning in an episode 😊
Using a boat, and keeping in top of checking things and maintaining things is far better than leaving them idle. Offshore for example all of the Seasick can be moved every day, and Diesel engines just love to be worked under load ifvthey have clean oil, fuel, and Air. It's one of the reasons I won't have a diesel generator on my next boat. The inboard engine will be wellman excess if the old rule of thumb minimum of one horsepower per foot of Boat, so there is at least an excess of 10hp just for the high output Alternator plus a flexifold prop that will give good propulsion at an optimum torque level of 1500 rpm or less, and about 7 knots of boat speed. Offshore on Passage, an hour before dawn, fire up the engine, with all the Sails furled in, and travel on autopilot with an economical use of diesel, in exchange, I get hot water for showers from the Heat exchanger, can run the Watermaker, and a portable induction hob to make breakfast and save on cooking gas, with a bit of battery boost before the Sun comes up to get the solar panels working. First night watch, rinse and repeat on autopilot to make the evening meal etc. A useful effective good value grease, comes in the large aerosol Cans of Motorbike Drive Chain grease, though the clear one is less mucky than the dark one. It is fairly water resistant and sticky too. the tube that plugs into the nozzle really helps as well. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Oh yes the never ending boat projects, looking forward to the new season. 90% suffering to 10% magic, playing with boats.
Those pipe parts are obviously brass, but did you see any "CR" markings in them? Or any other material stamps? CW617N, CW602N? It would be nice to know how corrosion resistive the "corrosion resistant" stuff is or was that simply the wrong kind of brass.
😂Murphy's Law (boat edition) ✅
The dry assembly should, where possible include all the components where it's going to be installed. Hope you can use the extra time well, perhaps there are some proper stairs to be found, some boatyards have them, much safer and quicker when making repeated trips. I'm surprised boatyards aren't required to provide them for health and safety reasons, but that's a European/UK obsession. Do you think marine parts and equipment should be made to be longer lasting and more relaible?
No good dead goes unpunished 🤣
Hahahaha :D NEVER :p
Being that they require approximately 45 day notice to re-launch your boat, I assume that they also charge you for every additional day that THEY are not able to launch. Hence 45 additional days of storage fees that they will be collecting from you? Please tell me that they aren’t doing that? I’m very curious as to what the yard does when this happens? And what happens if you budget money to be on the hard and it goes over, without notice???
I don't think my seacocks have been replaced in 43 years.
That is becaause you have Blakes Seacocks like I do in my 28 year old boat. Blakes will last forever.
What is the reason that you didn't replace the seacocks with the flanged style (which you showed in your illustration by the way)? My boat (also a 2007) has the same style that you are using and I expect to replace them with the flanged style.
its a practicality issue to use the flange style your going to have to cut out a big bit of inner hull material to get enough space for it to fit. then rebuild up the whole thing. its diff possible but takes a lot of time.
I antifouled my own boat once ... when I first got it .... for the following 10 years I paid someone else to do it. I spent an entire week looking like an extra in a Smurf cartoon and vowed never to scrape or sand antifouling ever again. Full disclosure, I'm a fair-weather sailor who spends 4-5 weeks a year on the boat. I spend 2-3 long weekends a year and a bit of time during my holidays 2-3 days? upgrading and fixing stuff. The boat is a Bavaria 36 from 1999. Most of the mundane stuff, like engine service, sail and canvass repair, antifouling, wax and polish I pay someone else to do. All the electrics, plumbing and simple repairs I do myself.
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I thought that now that you are in the USA, you do like some airline mechanics and call Snap-On tools and use a first born child as a down payment for the tool. 😉
So, Ryan stops to do a show and tell of 2 different Threw Hulls on the gravel parking lot instead of sitting on his boat.
Boats'eh !?
All boats require lots of maintenance
Either $$$$$ or 💪🧠🧐🧠🧐
Watch this video! Watch how Sophie tries to politely, calmly, with a hint of sarcasm explain what is now going to happen, and is about to, happen. Sophie doing her best to make all the running around to get parts interesting and entraining, watch show this is Sophie's channel.😍🤩 Not Ryan's and Sophie's channel. Ryan on the other hand is straightforward, matter of fact( very dry with out humor. 😄🤔
Where is Ryans F*ckening t-shirt when you need it? :)
I wore it the next day. No joke 😆
Barnacles aren’t nasty! Did you know they have the longest penis to body length ratio, x 8!
oh god
Sophie t'es fucking drôle.