Very nice guide. I'd like to answer a couple comments in this. Mangle>shred bc the extra damage to bleeding targets isn't worth the energy cost nor the chance to have bleeds/SR fall off with little combo points. I personally used the lfr Rune over normal assurance (until I got my HTF one ^_^) simply because of the proc mechanic of the trinket. It was still a dps increase despite being lfr version. Again, love the guides. Bravo!
Ahh thanks, I have been searching for a solid 5.4 feral guide for what seems like a very long time and here it is. I would sub if I wasnt already subbed :p Thanks again ev as always you come through.
Love the guide, shout to Tazmon for being legend :) Very informative and is helping me out on becoming better at my class and push my limits for my feral druid making me a better raider overall. Thanks for the all the work in this video, and what is that heavenly gorgeous music in the background? :D
Odd, I've been recently leveling my druid as Feral and then you post this video, it's making me really eager to get my druid to 90 asap now haha. Thanks for the video!
Hey guys, i want to ask something. In cata haste was better than crit, in other words when you have hit and exp capped, first priority was agility, then mastery and when reforging you should go for haste from everything, except agility and mastery. Now that we have a talent that restores some energy ( not much though), this guide says crit comes on top. I personally believe that haste is still better than crit especially if you are just starting in pve in MoP, cause you will find yourself unable to use anything due to lack of energy, thus, the more energy regen, the better. What do you say about this Agility>Mastery>Haste> Crit, if of course hit and exp capped. I still play MoP in a private server. What are your thoughts on the subject?
em think rune of re-origination should be swapped for assurance of consequence..lets say you have the flex version it reduces the cd rate so you have tigers fury every 18 sec..combine that with the set bonus you get free 3 combo points every 18 sec
***** Rune is only bis if its hc or thunderforged otherwise normal or higher haromm + detonator is better than rune. The ppm is too low on rune on lower ilvl than hc/thunderforged to be bis, also the passive agility. I dont know if this guide is aimed towards hc geared ferals but i suppose not since youre talking about how beginners can start with hotw and hc geared shouldnt really need a guide. I just think its important to point the difference in ilvls out so ppl dont think they cant get any better trinket if they have rune from lfr or whatever. Not trying to complain on your guide or anything, its a really good guide, i just think ilvl difference should be included for people who havent got heroic rune. Also rune gets better the better gear you have, more crit and haste = more mastery.
That's not right. Even LFR Rune beats normal mode SoO trinkets. Plus, if you have access to Heroic SoO trinkets, it's highly probably you can go back and obtain a HC Rune...
i always see people recommend Soul of the Forest in the 4th tier of talents but they never talk about why Incarnation is not a viable option in fact i think this is the first guide that explains why Soul of the Forest and not Force of Nature, but it still does not explain why not Incarnation, my guess is because of it's rather long cooldown to effectiveness ratios. could someone please explain why Incarnation seems like the worst choice for everyone out of the tier 4 talents?
Do I need to put faerie fire up before I put bleeds up to make the bleeds pass 30% armour or do the ticks pass the armour even if I use faerie fire after I've put my bleeds up?
can i get a decent dps in feral spec with all my tank gear reforged and such ? i got 565 ilvl and feral dps trinkets but .. a lot of gear has haste and crit so not all have mastery... will i still be able to a decent amunt of dps TY!
Depends on the rest of your gear, but I've had times where I forgot to swap over to my cat gear from my bear gear, compared to my normal dps in cat gear the damage can vary from around 20%-40% less damage than a cat would in proper gear of the equivalent ilvl.
Use Mangle when you have all bleeds applied OR, if your Savage Roar/Rip are going to fall off and you need Combo points, then you should Mangle opposed to re-applying Thrash. It really depends on the situation.
I would not advice RoRO to a new player in feral, if you can't use it well enough you loose tons of dps, and you forgot to mention that small part that only the heroic and heroic thunderforged are better than the soo normal ones. I would say use Assurance of Consequence, it helps smooth out your rotation by a lot, and works well together with the 4set bonus.
***** Correct me if I am wrong but, RoRO's usefulness scales with stats on your gear, and without getting into much detail here, catus basically agrees. The LFR RoRO is not worth keeping at 540ilvl and above. Unless you have the hc or hc tf RoRO it is better to swap it out for trinkets from SoO. This is all based on what I have seen most top ferals doing/catus sims etc and ofcourse reading up on fluid druid..
TellMeWhen is a good addon for tracking multiple debuffs, buffs, trinket procs, talent procs and many other things :) Here is the link if your curious: www.curse.com/addons/wow/tellmewhen
Is feral dps a fun class? It seems like a pretty hard and complex class to play without doing much output, turns me off, is there anyway you can turn me on for feral druid? Such as what makes it fun in pve. :P
umm. Feral is the Top DPS in the game (sustained.) So they're output is there. Feral is one of the Top dps too, though they're not really good at cheesing, or bursting really high.
I just rolled a Druid about a week ago and hit 90 a couple of days ago. It's pretty complicated, but so rewarding when things fall together. The damage of a feral...it's amazing. But, again, it's tricky. You have to take your time and watch for little things to happen before going through with your next move. It's very refreshing. I like it a lot.
Considering this is a fairly end-game guide, and seeing the amount of stupid questions in the comments section, I hope that these people aren't raiding anytime soon.
it should be on a high pop server, I'm not in a roster, just play random& oqueue, and got 6/14 HM already 568ilvl (with rune). But My Dps is not really high in some cases!! dont know what more to do, I think it may be because my 561 weapong form malkorok, (just replace it with garrosh relik), lets hope inmerseus gives it to me soon.. my dps on garrosh today was 275k, not bad I think, but think it shloud be higer... When I play with ppl onf my ilvl I stay 1 to 3 at most bosses, but raiding last week with a guild with at lest 15 dps 575+ I stays on the lowest! ( notice i did 240-260k on protectors/sha, the where from 450k to 350k :( I'll still working on my rotation with rune, and lets see if I kill garrosh HM before netx content.
Pretty awesome guide , a complete feral druid guide its hardly to find now days, thanks !
Very nice guide. I'd like to answer a couple comments in this. Mangle>shred bc the extra damage to bleeding targets isn't worth the energy cost nor the chance to have bleeds/SR fall off with little combo points.
I personally used the lfr Rune over normal assurance (until I got my HTF one ^_^) simply because of the proc mechanic of the trinket. It was still a dps increase despite being lfr version.
Again, love the guides. Bravo!
Ahh thanks, I have been searching for a solid 5.4 feral guide for what seems like a very long time and here it is. I would sub if I wasnt already subbed :p Thanks again ev as always you come through.
Love the guide, shout to Tazmon for being legend :) Very informative and is helping me out on becoming better at my class and push my limits for my feral druid making me a better raider overall. Thanks for the all the work in this video, and what is that heavenly gorgeous music in the background? :D
Odd, I've been recently leveling my druid as Feral and then you post this video, it's making me really eager to get my druid to 90 asap now haha. Thanks for the video!
Can you tell me which add-on you're using to track timers on either side of your toon? This has been a major help, thanks!
Good guide. Only one thing i found wrong. You can not use tigers fury and berserk at the same time.
You can as long as you activate TF first.
***** Then berserk overrides TF doesn't it. You can't cast both at once.
Unreasonably Sane the way i do it is to dump all energy cast TF then hit berserk that way i have 60 energy to start using at half off.
would have been nice if the talents used were highlighted or at least shown as selected
ojala esta guia estuviera en español, se ve muy chula.
Hello, what was the add ons that needed to be used to keep up seeing what spell is ready?
This might be a bit late, but anyone knows where to find the Catus addon? Can't seem to find anywhere now
Did you find it?
@@CocutRares I need it too
Hey guys, i want to ask something. In cata haste was better than crit, in other words when you have hit and exp capped, first priority was agility, then mastery and when reforging you should go for haste from everything, except agility and mastery. Now that we have a talent that restores some energy ( not much though), this guide says crit comes on top. I personally believe that haste is still better than crit especially if you are just starting in pve in MoP, cause you will find yourself unable to use anything due to lack of energy, thus, the more energy regen, the better. What do you say about this Agility>Mastery>Haste> Crit, if of course hit and exp capped. I still play MoP in a private server. What are your thoughts on the subject?
so whats the malk tracking addon? im always getting hit by that shit.
Thanks for this guide! Really helpful :) Last time I played feral was when you got Mangle at level 40..:P
Love the videos keep them up. Would love to see a Shaman video!
On the website, can you please add the rest of the gear from best to worst?
Your links ontop the video redirect to your Ret 5.4 guide.
Thank you toast, will fix.
***** Fixed!
Is there a way of knowing how many combo points you are at?
em think rune of re-origination should be swapped for assurance of consequence..lets say you have the flex version it reduces the cd rate so you have tigers fury every 18 sec..combine that with the set bonus you get free 3 combo points every 18 sec
Nope. Rune of Re-origination is BiS.
***** Rune is only bis if its hc or thunderforged otherwise normal or higher haromm + detonator is better than rune. The ppm is too low on rune on lower ilvl than hc/thunderforged to be bis, also the passive agility. I dont know if this guide is aimed towards hc geared ferals but i suppose not since youre talking about how beginners can start with hotw and hc geared shouldnt really need a guide. I just think its important to point the difference in ilvls out so ppl dont think they cant get any better trinket if they have rune from lfr or whatever. Not trying to complain on your guide or anything, its a really good guide, i just think ilvl difference should be included for people who havent got heroic rune. Also rune gets better the better gear you have, more crit and haste = more mastery.
That's not right. Even LFR Rune beats normal mode SoO trinkets. Plus, if you have access to Heroic SoO trinkets, it's highly probably you can go back and obtain a HC Rune...
***** Not according to catus and mrrobot and many feral druids i've spoken too.
xiiteer No rune is way better if optimized correctly.
addon name of the frames from you and target and the addon for the buffs and debuffs from you and your target. looks good i want too
Will there be a guide for Windwalker monks?
I hope so!
***** I haven't been capable of finding any decent ones, nor have I been able to get in contact with Justmonk from Method.
whats the name of the add.on giving him these additional healtbars and showing the dots over it?
i always see people recommend Soul of the Forest in the 4th tier of talents but they never talk about why Incarnation is not a viable option in fact i think this is the first guide that explains why Soul of the Forest and not Force of Nature, but it still does not explain why not Incarnation, my guess is because of it's rather long cooldown to effectiveness ratios.
could someone please explain why Incarnation seems like the worst choice for everyone out of the tier 4 talents?
Ok so form what I've seen people use it in PvP so i assume it is a PvP type talent.
Please correct me if i am wrong.
What's the name of the addon that shows where Malkorok have smashed?
Do I need to put faerie fire up before I put bleeds up to make the bleeds pass 30% armour or do the ticks pass the armour even if I use faerie fire after I've put my bleeds up?
Bleeds ignore Armor.
Oh ok. thanks man.
at what level does rune become BiS ? is it only Heroic ? , is REG fine, LFR?
whats the dps difference between HotW and DoC?
Good job, very nice guides.i already subscribed and u helped me a lot , I play much better now then before.
So without the trinket, use shred or mangle for filler?
Shred if you're energy capped or have an Omen of Clarity proc. Mangle in most if not all other situations.
Im sure its been answered but can you tell me all the add ons your using. I really like the set up
Could you be more specific about which addons in particular?
***** The buffs above both player and target bars
RoguePowerBars
can i get a decent dps in feral spec with all my tank gear reforged and such ? i got 565 ilvl and feral dps trinkets but .. a lot of gear has haste and crit so not all have mastery... will i still be able to a decent amunt of dps
TY!
Depends on the rest of your gear, but I've had times where I forgot to swap over to my cat gear from my bear gear, compared to my normal dps in cat gear the damage can vary from around 20%-40% less damage than a cat would in proper gear of the equivalent ilvl.
so mange is only using when all my dots are applyed?
Use Mangle when you have all bleeds applied OR, if your Savage Roar/Rip are going to fall off and you need Combo points, then you should Mangle opposed to re-applying Thrash. It really depends on the situation.
I would not advice RoRO to a new player in feral, if you can't use it well enough you loose tons of dps, and you forgot to mention that small part that only the heroic and heroic thunderforged are better than the soo normal ones. I would say use Assurance of Consequence, it helps smooth out your rotation by a lot, and works well together with the 4set bonus.
what addon is it that shows the absorb on you during malk.?
Why do you build combo points with rake instead of mangle/shred on opener and during berserk?
With a RoR proc it makes rake hit a lot harder than shred.
any addon to track how strong my current bleed is? I saw droodfocus only showing if you should apply it or not.
Affdots - druid. It's really awesome.
addon name that shows when the trinket procs? :)
WeakAuras :)
weak auras can seem a bit daunting at first to set up. TellMeWhen works the same way and is a bit more user friendly
Does a flex SoO trinket outdmg a lfr Rune of Re?
No. Rune of Reorigination is BiS at any level.
***** Correct me if I am wrong but, RoRO's usefulness scales with stats on your gear, and without getting into much detail here, catus basically agrees. The LFR RoRO is not worth keeping at 540ilvl and above. Unless you have the hc or hc tf RoRO it is better to swap it out for trinkets from SoO. This is all based on what I have seen most top ferals doing/catus sims etc and ofcourse reading up on fluid druid..
Whats the malkorok addon?
Malkorok helper dude.
What about using shred when omen of clarity procs?
You Thrash on OoC procs, and Shred if Thrash is already up (and this is said in the guide)
Sorry for the ui question but what add on are u using to get those half circle things to pop up in the middle of the screen?
i can´t find the addon you talking about ?
Link in the description, and in the written guide
hi! nice guide :) just one question... is it worth going with normal roro trinket over flex trinkets?
absolutely
Whats the title of the Music in the background? does anybody know ?
Darude-Sandstorm
what addon?
how do i know when dream of cenarious is on?
TellMeWhen is a good addon for tracking multiple debuffs, buffs, trinket procs, talent procs and many other things :) Here is the link if your curious: www.curse.com/addons/wow/tellmewhen
is the lfr rune-orgination any good?
Why mangle > shred ?
Is feral dps a fun class? It seems like a pretty hard and complex class to play without doing much output, turns me off, is there anyway you can turn me on for feral druid? Such as what makes it fun in pve. :P
i just asked myself the same question. jesus i got a headache
umm. Feral is the Top DPS in the game (sustained.) So they're output is there. Feral is one of the Top dps too, though they're not really good at cheesing, or bursting really high.
I just rolled a Druid about a week ago and hit 90 a couple of days ago. It's pretty complicated, but so rewarding when things fall together. The damage of a feral...it's amazing. But, again, it's tricky. You have to take your time and watch for little things to happen before going through with your next move. It's very refreshing. I like it a lot.
How much hit i need?
7.50% or 2550
ah so you only need 3 PHDs to play this class :P. really enjoyed the video was really great, it covered everything I was looking.
Thank you for this guide :D
addon name interface?
I waited so long Ty so mich
Do a Frost Mage guide please! :D
Thanks this will help alot!
Holy ballsack this is complex.
You should have played a Kitty back in Wrath. This is easy compared.
Xavneiros Indeed, but i must say, as the time goes...i got more lazy and less Hardcore than b4. So this rotation is nuts for me.
@@Xavneiros why is wrath kitty harder?
Considering this is a fairly end-game guide, and seeing the amount of stupid questions in the comments section, I hope that these people aren't raiding anytime soon.
It worry's me that how he always explain it to you and not the pro players of that class.
Does it make a difference who narrates it? They aren't my words, just my voice. Means we can keep some continuity between the videos.
***** i like it. i like your voice. #totalcreepermodeengaged
hit/exp agility MASTERY crit haste. dont need to stack haste, reforge from haste
oh right, this is all PVE stats? welp, I will search for Arena gear and specs
Not everyone has acess to hc gear
it should be on a high pop server, I'm not in a roster, just play random& oqueue, and got 6/14 HM already 568ilvl (with rune). But My Dps is not really high in some cases!! dont know what more to do, I think it may be because my 561 weapong form malkorok, (just replace it with garrosh relik), lets hope inmerseus gives it to me soon.. my dps on garrosh today was 275k, not bad I think, but think it shloud be higer... When I play with ppl onf my ilvl I stay 1 to 3 at most bosses, but raiding last week with a guild with at lest 15 dps 575+ I stays on the lowest! ( notice i did 240-260k on protectors/sha, the where from 450k to 350k :( I'll still working on my rotation with rune, and lets see if I kill garrosh HM before netx content.
Thx :)
And this video is perfect example of why they are removing abilities lol..
DID not understand any of it lol
This server is dead now, it is russia now btw........ pandawow.ru
Perfect guide! Thanks :3