There is a theory that says, since Volkner and Flint are childhood friends/rivals, they build their teams to counter each others super type. That`s why Flint has a Steelix to counter Volkners electric types and Volkner has an Octillery to counter Flints fire types and I personally really like that one because it gives them a little bit more character depth and also makes sense lore wise
Okay okay, I hear you, I see you. Makes sense. Flynt has a fucking Lopunny though which means canonically Flynt finds Lopunny "Hot" and therefore, it counts as a fire type to him.
"there is a theory that says....it gives them a bit more depth" headcanoning 101 The thing is we don't know if this is the reason why they went about this and this is all just a headcanon. Even then the simple answer is that they locked all of the new cross gen evolutions except Weavile, Ambipom, Mismagius, and Honchkrow behind the post game for some reason meaning the only Electric types you could actually use in DP were Luxray, Raichu, and Pachirisu with Fire being Infernape or Rapidash. Dragon has this issue with either the box legend or Garchomp but that's okay. Ice is worse with Abomasnow or Weavile, which realistically only leaves you with one because Abomasnow is hard to actually use. Point is Sinnoh has some messed up type distribution and that's the simple answer as to why their teams are like half mons that don't actually fit the type outside of one coverage move
I'll never forget my mono ground run where my Golem managed to defeat Cynthia's Milotic because she just wouldn't use a water move. Random AI at its finest.
So what this video taught me is that younger me suffered from a skill issue if Cynthia picked a random move every time and I spent literal hours on her as a child.
Honestly, I always kinda liked when gym leader and e4 teams weren't monotype and were built around "themes" rather than types, like Agatha having spooky Pokémon. That being said, I have absolutely no idea what Volkner's theme would be (they can learn electric attacks???), but Flint's can be argued to be based around various concepts of heat - Lopunny's fluffy fur, Steelix burrowing close to the earth's core, Drifblim is a hot air balloon, etc. It's obviously making up for a poorly planned Pokédex roster but I still think team theming is cool.
Honestly, I love people coming up with why the DP leaders/elite four had certain pokémon with their headcanon and whatnot to go beyond "the DP dex was just trash lol". And I personally (hopefully respectfully) disagree on gym leaders/E4 teams just having "themes" (because none of the actual gym leaders/E4 had themes in that sense, like aside from literally Lance, imo none of the gen 1, where it was most egregious, actually had a theme). I'd rather have them go like Wake where he has a water type, a water/flying type to counter grass types and a water/ground type to counter electric types, or how Elesa has Emolgas and Volt switch to f up things, or stuff like that, monotype leaders building around weaknesses or something. I agree that stuff like Wulfric, the 8th gym leader having 3 mono ice types is pathetic.
I really don't understand what motivated game freak to create type specialists for types that did not have enough Pokémon in a region. Why do Diamond and Pearl have a fire type elite 4 if there are only two fire types in the games? Why did Johto have two dragon specialists when there were only two fully evolved dragons in that region? What was the logic? I also think it's cool to have gym leaders and elite 4 members be theme based rather than type exclusive. Like a garden themed leader who used grass, bug and flying types. Could be fun for a game to do that.
@@bobi200samatar6 Yeah, in DP it's especially unacceptable because by then, every type in the pokédex *had* enough members to just include in the regional one. Now for the first gen, the elite 4 just had the 4 rarest type in dragon (3), ghost (3), ice (5) and fighting (8). Yup, you might think right now "there's no way there are fewer fighting types than fire or electric" Fighting: Machop/Machoke/Machamp, Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan, Mankey/Primeape, Poliwrath. Fire: Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard, Flareon, Magmar, Moltres, Growlithe/Arcanine, Vulpix/Ninetales, Ponyta/Rapidash -> 12. Electric: Pikachu/Raichu, Voltorb/Electrode, Magnemite/Magneton, Jolteon, Electabuzz, Zapdos -> 9. Now back to topic - but then they noticed that the rarest types just deadass wouldn't have enough members, so they gave them a second type to specialize in. Bruno probably just followed suit with 2 Onixes because the others did, because he infamously would've been able to field a full fighting team.
People meme on the Chimchar/Ponyta Fire-type selection all the time, but Electric didn't fare much better with only Shinx, Pachirisu and Pikachu available pre-NatDex
@@tabbender1232 Ice's late availability gets constantly criticized, with pre-Ice Stone Glaceon being one of the biggest points of contention. Dragons and Ghosts also are a huge meme in gens 1 and 2.
Yeah electric mostly got a pass from people because 90% of people used a Luxray anyways and thus never noticed the lack of electric types. Even though Volkner gets critized quite a bit for his team in DPBDSP. Fire got dunked on more because one of them was a starter and thus it really was obvious, and Flint had more than half his team not be the type, so it really stood out. Same reason why dragon gets a pass in DPBDSP despite Garchomp being *the only non-legendary dragon type in f'ing pre-nat SInnoh* ... if you were to use a dragon type, you'd likely use Garchomp anyways.
The ultimate questions of life: - Why do we exist - What awaits in the afterlife - Why the heck whatshername has a Medicham, Volkner has Octillery and Ambipom, and Flint has Drifblim, Steelix, and LOPUNNY
Flints team makes perfect sense. Drifblim is a hot air balloon, which needs fire to float, Steelix is made of steel which is forged under high heat, and Lopunny is hot as fuck
Also Candice would train with Maylene often so she probably added Medicham to counter fighting and steel types that would be supereffective against her team, such as Maylenes Lucario
Candice has medicham as type coverage. you face her going hurr durr shes ice, i'll sweep her with punch type, but they she has a psychic type to stop you. it also has ice punch to fit her theme.
volkner using octillery is genius and I won't stand for this slander. He's an electric trainer, so you think, hurr durr bring a ground type and earthquake non stop. but boom, volkner has an octillery with water moves to kill your ground. So you think, ok I'll switch to another type. Then, kapow!! octillery uses zap cannon. He uses it for type coverage and they ruined him in platinum.
I for one enjoy the weird off-type pokemon on gym leader's teams. It makes them feel more like real trainers that happen to have a bias, rather than flanderizations of themselves. Pokemon stadium 2 did this too, especially in the round 2 versions of the gym leader teams, causing them to be much more rounded opponents that you couldn't just bring a single pokemon to hard counter.
I agree. My hottest Pokémon take is that I think Diamond and Pearl get too much hate. The slow speeds for everything are awful. I get that. But I like things like the limited Pokédex, and the off type members on the gym and elite four teams. Gen 2 had a no Regional Deex, and the Hoenn Dex had 202 Pokémon. Diamond and Pearl had a smaller Regional Dex with 151 Pokémon, and so many of the Pokémon are featured. To me, it seems like they wanted to craft a smaller, more intimate Dex where more Pokémon could get the chance to shine. There aren’t any Pokémon like Slugma, Chinchou ,Skarmory who felt more relevant in later games than the ones they debuted in. There are a few stragglers like the Burmy and Finneon lines and Pachirisu and Chatot who are less memorable, but all of them feel like Gen 4 Mons. And people act like Gym leaders and E4 members haven’t always had off type team members. Erika had a Venomoth. Agatha’s team was poison types despite her being a ghost type trainer. Karen had a Vileplume. Koga had a Forretress. And Lance being a flying type trainer is a meme in the community. I would also argue that the diversity makes the Diamond and Pearl gyms the best up until that point. Diamond and Pearl’s gyms feature a whopping 24 unique evolutionary lines. Compare that to Kanto’s 19 (16 in Yellow) with Giovanni pulling a lot of weight there, Johto’s 15, and Hoenn’s 20 in Ruby in Sapphire. The only game with more unique evolutionary lines among the gym teams was Emerald with 27. But a caveat to that is that Emerald’s gym leaders had 32 Pokémon altogether whereas Diamond and Pearl’s had 26. It’s pretty clear to me that Game Freak wanted to experiment with Dex size and more diverse gyms and I think it did well to spotlight a larger percentage of the Dex. If people think that’s a bad thing to people, then I just don’t know what to say to that.
The mentality behind the weird gym leader/e4 comps in d/p was to mix it up by giving them different type mons with moves that match their theme (i.e. flints fire punch lopunny or volkners charge beam octillery)
6:12 The reasoning behind Ambipom and Octillery being the Pokémon Volkner uses is based on their designs. Ambipom has design inspirations based on a defibrillator with it's tails, and Octillery is based on a tank; a piece of machinery.
Literally all those "oh Volkner and Flint used the pokémon for x reason because design" things are headcanons and people explaining away the simple fact that the DP dex was garbage with certain types. I don't even know where the hell you got the ambipom defibrillator nonsense from. And Octillery being based on a tank is an absurdly tenuous connection. If they were that clever with the designs, they wouldn't have changed it as soon as they fixed the plat dex and instead doubled down on it. All they thought was "oh we need pokémon to appear in trainer teams because of the seen all stuff we implemented".
The Octillery was probably meant as a counter to Ground types. Either they took inspiration from how Pokémon Stadium 2 handled its gym leaders, or they forgot to set aside enough time to make an Electric Type gym leader. 2 out of 4 is a failure grade, at least in my country, but congratulations to Volkner for technically having a majority Electric team, I guess.
0:10 while i will definitely agree that overall platinum is better, it is most certainly NOT "better in every way" than DP distortion world is an absolute SLOG and i absolutely DREAD having to suffer through wasting my life on it in any replay of the game
Listen, if a Gym Leader in another region had an Octillery it would be really cool as a counter mechanism against Ground types. The only reason I don't fully like It on Volkner is because they didn't so this to be cool, they only did this because of the lack of Electric types
Giving trainers a Pokemon that counters their counter is pretty normal, actually. Only Ground types are strong against Electric, so the Electric trainer has a Water type to cover them. Or a Levitating Tera-Electric Mismagius. Even trainers that specialize in a type don't always have just that type on their team; they build their team AROUND the type.
I think Diamond and Pearl's weird team leader and elite four teams are due to how many of the pokemon are locked behind post-game. These includes the eevee evolutions (Bebe hands you one in the post game of D/P, where Plat she just hands it to you when you meet her), the ralts line, magnemite line, elekid line, magby line, and snorunt line to name a few. I'm guessing that one team was tasked with placing the mons and decided to leave the old lines with new evolutions in the post-game (plus some like swablu, houndour and scyther to make the other teams cry), and the team in charge of the trainer teams had very limited options before the post-game.
Volkner having an Octillery to counter Ground-types isn't bad in theory, but when combined with the dearth of Electric types in Sinnoh and the random Ambipom, it seems like a weird choice. Don't get me started on Flint.
D/P/P feel absolutely unplayable unless at 1.5x or 2x speed imo, it is just SO. SLOW. For no reason. Like, it just pads the cleartime artificially to the point I wonder if that was the point.
The playtime is actually longer than most other games, you can tell by looking at the level you end up at in DP compared to other games Also all pokemon games are slow, DP isn't really more so than the others, people just talk about it more. Nobody talks about stuff like gen 3's item activation animation, battle intro animation, dive speed, or even the simple fact that the HP bars are only twice as fast as DP's (so still slow as hell if you're at a high level)
I just always thought Volkner had an octillery cuz he lives in a costal town. Doesn't explain the weird monkey thing though. Maybe they just needed a use for it?
Yup. DP had the "to get the national dex, you need to have seen every single pokémon" thing going on, so they really threw pokémon at random trainers to make that happen.
TBF in the timeline of the games Gen 4 is happening around the time of Gen 2 so it would make sense for Gen 4 gym leaders/E4 members to have awful teams that don’t represent their type
People rightfully poke fun at the Sinnoh games for having no fire types, but have you seen the pool of available electric types? It's just the Shinx line, Pikachu, and Pachirisu.
Most people took Luxray anyways, so they never noticed it. Same reason why no one talks about how DP's dragon types are literally Palkia Dialga and Garchomp line, but no one cared because if they wanted a dragon, they chose Garchomp.
I think the mixed type gym leader / elite four teams were really cool, and it’s a shame they haven’t done it more. Octillery makes the fight a decent bit harder if your plan is to just brute force it with ground types
It’s a shame so many people can only see a game as great or terrible with no nuance. Everyone knows DP has pretty major flaws, especially in hindsight, but claiming the game is terrible is hyperbolic.
Several people have claimed it ever since BDSP were announced, theres a really good video on it. DP are broken messes of a game that got fixed with platinum
i think gym leaders having a pokemon not their type is cool. Volkner, a mechanic who constantly upgrades his gym bc he’s bored, has an Ambipom to help with that. And Octilery makes sense bc he’s by the ocean and Octilery’s tank/gun design. Flint kinda makes sense with Drifblim being a hot air balloon and Steelix has a dex entry in Diamond stating: “Tempered underground under high pressure and heat, its body is harder than any metal” Loppunny makes no sense tho
I am pretty Sure that No 90s Pokémon Kid in Germany thinks those are terrible. Diamond and pearl where Here the most anticipated games fans gathered 5am at the local Stores to buy the Games, it was like fan pokemon day and then inside the store it a Was allways a purge and everyone Loved the games thats the point. No one talked about the games in a bad way. The only ones doing that are americans in the Internet nowadays lol I dont think anyone in real Life dislikes diamond
Almost like nostalgia is a powerful drug. BDSP showed that basing remakes on DP instead of Platinum was a terrible idea, and gen 4 gets hard carried by HGSS and Plat. The fact you bring up 90's pokémon kids to defend the games shows that bias, considering genwunners still think the first gen of pokémon games are well-made games or good games.
@@youtube-kit9450 lol its just a fact that Pokémon died with gen 5 you will only find people in the Internet that think otherwise, also you cant deny the fact the Diamond pearl and platin where just the most anticipated Not even hgss got that much hype the Stores where full and Security had to handle the masses
@@onepiecedingsda7558 Considering the games still sell like hotcakes, it's just as undeniable fact that pokémon didn't die with gen 5, in fact gen 5 was super hated by exactly the "90's" crowd back then and it's exactly the re-evaluation that made them super beloved games now that also re-evaluated that DP, compared to Plat and HGSS, are bad games. As I said... nostalgia is powerful. I'm a 90's kid who actually got back into Pokémon through DP and loved the games back then. It's just that they hold up absolutely terribly compared to quite a few games.
@@onepiecedingsda7558 Yeah, we all know what genwunners are, what's your point. And ofc anyone who was swept up in pokémania in the 90s who then stopped playing the games won't be able to say what pokémon is what. Nothing you're saying right now is even remotely relevant to the topic at hand, which was supposed to be the quality of DPPt judged by the pokémon community nowadays. Now you're literally just spouting genwunner nonsense. And if you're just going to continue that, there's no point in talking to you further. Have a good day.
@@Lucas-to2jcRSE doesn’t have any route gates. The only gates are the ones at Cycling Road. And I’ve been replaying Gen 1 recently. It does force you off of the bike and the route gates.
Almost like there's a reason BDSP aren't seen as great games by big parts of the pokémon community... People were waiting so long for gen 4 remakes and only noticed once those games came out that they specifically meant platinum remakes.
I've realized that the speedrunning community is full of butthurt fire starter fans who can't accept the water starter is the better option, just give it up -signed, a water starter enjoyer
Maybe one day we'll get an explanation on those weird swim speeds. 😬
There is a theory that says, since Volkner and Flint are childhood friends/rivals, they build their teams to counter each others super type. That`s why Flint has a Steelix to counter Volkners electric types and Volkner has an Octillery to counter Flints fire types and I personally really like that one because it gives them a little bit more character depth and also makes sense lore wise
@@peytonashley9388That conclusion better be called Monkey D. Luffy with how much it's been stretched
Okay okay, I hear you, I see you. Makes sense.
Flynt has a fucking Lopunny though which means canonically Flynt finds Lopunny "Hot" and therefore, it counts as a fire type to him.
@@peytonashley9388 I'm sick of shippers
"there is a theory that says....it gives them a bit more depth" headcanoning 101
The thing is we don't know if this is the reason why they went about this and this is all just a headcanon. Even then the simple answer is that they locked all of the new cross gen evolutions except Weavile, Ambipom, Mismagius, and Honchkrow behind the post game for some reason meaning the only Electric types you could actually use in DP were Luxray, Raichu, and Pachirisu with Fire being Infernape or Rapidash. Dragon has this issue with either the box legend or Garchomp but that's okay. Ice is worse with Abomasnow or Weavile, which realistically only leaves you with one because Abomasnow is hard to actually use. Point is Sinnoh has some messed up type distribution and that's the simple answer as to why their teams are like half mons that don't actually fit the type outside of one coverage move
@@moldyshishkabobwhere’s the ship? They ARE childhood friends
I'll never forget my mono ground run where my Golem managed to defeat Cynthia's Milotic because she just wouldn't use a water move. Random AI at its finest.
So what this video taught me is that younger me suffered from a skill issue if Cynthia picked a random move every time and I spent literal hours on her as a child.
If it makes you feel better pick a random move has the possibility of playing better than a normal ai.
5:56 "yes, Cyrus is the leader of Team PLASMA, I knew it"
I was looking for this
@@RayGirl-yw5yesame xD
Honestly, I always kinda liked when gym leader and e4 teams weren't monotype and were built around "themes" rather than types, like Agatha having spooky Pokémon. That being said, I have absolutely no idea what Volkner's theme would be (they can learn electric attacks???), but Flint's can be argued to be based around various concepts of heat - Lopunny's fluffy fur, Steelix burrowing close to the earth's core, Drifblim is a hot air balloon, etc. It's obviously making up for a poorly planned Pokédex roster but I still think team theming is cool.
Honestly, I love people coming up with why the DP leaders/elite four had certain pokémon with their headcanon and whatnot to go beyond "the DP dex was just trash lol".
And I personally (hopefully respectfully) disagree on gym leaders/E4 teams just having "themes" (because none of the actual gym leaders/E4 had themes in that sense, like aside from literally Lance, imo none of the gen 1, where it was most egregious, actually had a theme).
I'd rather have them go like Wake where he has a water type, a water/flying type to counter grass types and a water/ground type to counter electric types, or how Elesa has Emolgas and Volt switch to f up things, or stuff like that, monotype leaders building around weaknesses or something. I agree that stuff like Wulfric, the 8th gym leader having 3 mono ice types is pathetic.
I really don't understand what motivated game freak to create type specialists for types that did not have enough Pokémon in a region. Why do Diamond and Pearl have a fire type elite 4 if there are only two fire types in the games? Why did Johto have two dragon specialists when there were only two fully evolved dragons in that region? What was the logic?
I also think it's cool to have gym leaders and elite 4 members be theme based rather than type exclusive. Like a garden themed leader who used grass, bug and flying types. Could be fun for a game to do that.
Like Raihan in his gym battle
@@bobi200samatar6 Yeah, in DP it's especially unacceptable because by then, every type in the pokédex *had* enough members to just include in the regional one.
Now for the first gen, the elite 4 just had the 4 rarest type in dragon (3), ghost (3), ice (5) and fighting (8).
Yup, you might think right now "there's no way there are fewer fighting types than fire or electric"
Fighting: Machop/Machoke/Machamp, Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan, Mankey/Primeape, Poliwrath.
Fire: Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard, Flareon, Magmar, Moltres, Growlithe/Arcanine, Vulpix/Ninetales, Ponyta/Rapidash -> 12.
Electric: Pikachu/Raichu, Voltorb/Electrode, Magnemite/Magneton, Jolteon, Electabuzz, Zapdos -> 9.
Now back to topic - but then they noticed that the rarest types just deadass wouldn't have enough members, so they gave them a second type to specialize in. Bruno probably just followed suit with 2 Onixes because the others did, because he infamously would've been able to field a full fighting team.
@@youtube-kit9450 that's really interesting, I never actually noticed that the gen 1 E4 had the rarest types in the game!
People meme on the Chimchar/Ponyta Fire-type selection all the time, but Electric didn't fare much better with only Shinx, Pachirisu and Pikachu available pre-NatDex
Or ice types in both DP and the Hoenn games
Or dragons and ghosts in Kanto/Johto
@@tabbender1232 Ice's late availability gets constantly criticized, with pre-Ice Stone Glaceon being one of the biggest points of contention. Dragons and Ghosts also are a huge meme in gens 1 and 2.
Yeah electric mostly got a pass from people because 90% of people used a Luxray anyways and thus never noticed the lack of electric types. Even though Volkner gets critized quite a bit for his team in DPBDSP.
Fire got dunked on more because one of them was a starter and thus it really was obvious, and Flint had more than half his team not be the type, so it really stood out.
Same reason why dragon gets a pass in DPBDSP despite Garchomp being *the only non-legendary dragon type in f'ing pre-nat SInnoh* ... if you were to use a dragon type, you'd likely use Garchomp anyways.
The ultimate questions of life:
- Why do we exist
- What awaits in the afterlife
- Why the heck whatshername has a Medicham, Volkner has Octillery and Ambipom, and Flint has Drifblim, Steelix, and LOPUNNY
Flints team makes perfect sense. Drifblim is a hot air balloon, which needs fire to float, Steelix is made of steel which is forged under high heat, and Lopunny is hot as fuck
Also Candice would train with Maylene often so she probably added Medicham to counter fighting and steel types that would be supereffective against her team, such as Maylenes Lucario
I’ve heard that flint and volkner are childhood rivals and they have a Pokémon to counter each other
The real answer is that Diamond and Pearl have a shitty regional dex and is why Platinum changed the teams so it makes more sense
Candice has medicham as type coverage. you face her going hurr durr shes ice, i'll sweep her with punch type, but they she has a psychic type to stop you. it also has ice punch to fit her theme.
volkner using octillery is genius and I won't stand for this slander. He's an electric trainer, so you think, hurr durr bring a ground type and earthquake non stop. but boom, volkner has an octillery with water moves to kill your ground. So you think, ok I'll switch to another type. Then, kapow!! octillery uses zap cannon.
He uses it for type coverage and they ruined him in platinum.
I for one enjoy the weird off-type pokemon on gym leader's teams. It makes them feel more like real trainers that happen to have a bias, rather than flanderizations of themselves. Pokemon stadium 2 did this too, especially in the round 2 versions of the gym leader teams, causing them to be much more rounded opponents that you couldn't just bring a single pokemon to hard counter.
I agree. My hottest Pokémon take is that I think Diamond and Pearl get too much hate. The slow speeds for everything are awful. I get that. But I like things like the limited Pokédex, and the off type members on the gym and elite four teams. Gen 2 had a no Regional Deex, and the Hoenn Dex had 202 Pokémon. Diamond and Pearl had a smaller Regional Dex with 151 Pokémon, and so many of the Pokémon are featured. To me, it seems like they wanted to craft a smaller, more intimate Dex where more Pokémon could get the chance to shine. There aren’t any Pokémon like Slugma, Chinchou ,Skarmory who felt more relevant in later games than the ones they debuted in. There are a few stragglers like the Burmy and Finneon lines and Pachirisu and Chatot who are less memorable, but all of them feel like Gen 4 Mons.
And people act like Gym leaders and E4 members haven’t always had off type team members. Erika had a Venomoth. Agatha’s team was poison types despite her being a ghost type trainer. Karen had a Vileplume. Koga had a Forretress. And Lance being a flying type trainer is a meme in the community. I would also argue that the diversity makes the Diamond and Pearl gyms the best up until that point. Diamond and Pearl’s gyms feature a whopping 24 unique evolutionary lines. Compare that to Kanto’s 19 (16 in Yellow) with Giovanni pulling a lot of weight there, Johto’s 15, and Hoenn’s 20 in Ruby in Sapphire. The only game with more unique evolutionary lines among the gym teams was Emerald with 27. But a caveat to that is that Emerald’s gym leaders had 32 Pokémon altogether whereas Diamond and Pearl’s had 26. It’s pretty clear to me that Game Freak wanted to experiment with Dex size and more diverse gyms and I think it did well to spotlight a larger percentage of the Dex. If people think that’s a bad thing to people, then I just don’t know what to say to that.
The mentality behind the weird gym leader/e4 comps in d/p was to mix it up by giving them different type mons with moves that match their theme (i.e. flints fire punch lopunny or volkners charge beam octillery)
Octillery on Volkner was probably to counter Ground-types. Seriously, it has one move for each of Ground's weaknesses, it has to be that
3:10 "lowering accuracy of moves in battle by 3/5ths: so a 60% chance of hitting"
lowering by 3/5ths would be 40%. lowering _to_ 3/5ths is 60%.
6:12 The reasoning behind Ambipom and Octillery being the Pokémon Volkner uses is based on their designs. Ambipom has design inspirations based on a defibrillator with it's tails, and Octillery is based on a tank; a piece of machinery.
Ah I see, so Flint has his Drifblim because it's a hot air balloon, Steelix because it's tempered steel, and Lopunny because she's ho-
And Octillery is super effective against fire, Flint’s speciality
no, it’s because the regional Pokédex for diamond and pearl were total garbage. Let’s be honest. Freak just made use of what they had.
Literally all those "oh Volkner and Flint used the pokémon for x reason because design" things are headcanons and people explaining away the simple fact that the DP dex was garbage with certain types.
I don't even know where the hell you got the ambipom defibrillator nonsense from.
And Octillery being based on a tank is an absurdly tenuous connection.
If they were that clever with the designs, they wouldn't have changed it as soon as they fixed the plat dex and instead doubled down on it.
All they thought was "oh we need pokémon to appear in trainer teams because of the seen all stuff we implemented".
So Electivire isn't based on a defibrilator? Really?
Did he just say team PLASMA for Cyrus?? 5:56 timestamp to make sure i’m not hearing wrong
The Octillery was probably meant as a counter to Ground types. Either they took inspiration from how Pokémon Stadium 2 handled its gym leaders, or they forgot to set aside enough time to make an Electric Type gym leader. 2 out of 4 is a failure grade, at least in my country, but congratulations to Volkner for technically having a majority Electric team, I guess.
0:10 while i will definitely agree that overall platinum is better, it is most certainly NOT "better in every way" than DP
distortion world is an absolute SLOG and i absolutely DREAD having to suffer through wasting my life on it in any replay of the game
"MONSTROSITIES such as Cascoon, Wurmple, Bronzor....."
🤣🤣🤣
Octillery on the electric gym is wild
DP's random AI only affects offensive moves, it won't make it select status moves
Listen, if a Gym Leader in another region had an Octillery it would be really cool as a counter mechanism against Ground types. The only reason I don't fully like It on Volkner is because they didn't so this to be cool, they only did this because of the lack of Electric types
Giving trainers a Pokemon that counters their counter is pretty normal, actually. Only Ground types are strong against Electric, so the Electric trainer has a Water type to cover them. Or a Levitating Tera-Electric Mismagius. Even trainers that specialize in a type don't always have just that type on their team; they build their team AROUND the type.
Things that make no sense: volkner not having a pachirisu
I mean
Pachirisu is kinda weak
I think Diamond and Pearl's weird team leader and elite four teams are due to how many of the pokemon are locked behind post-game. These includes the eevee evolutions (Bebe hands you one in the post game of D/P, where Plat she just hands it to you when you meet her), the ralts line, magnemite line, elekid line, magby line, and snorunt line to name a few. I'm guessing that one team was tasked with placing the mons and decided to leave the old lines with new evolutions in the post-game (plus some like swablu, houndour and scyther to make the other teams cry), and the team in charge of the trainer teams had very limited options before the post-game.
Diamond and Pearl aren't as good as Platinum but they're still among the best pokemon games, easily in the top 10
I remember that as a kid I beat the game 7 times and collectively spent 400 hours playing it. (I spent a lot of time grinding lol)
Volkner having an Octillery to counter Ground-types isn't bad in theory, but when combined with the dearth of Electric types in Sinnoh and the random Ambipom, it seems like a weird choice. Don't get me started on Flint.
rip 5:56 he says team plazma not galactic
D/P/P feel absolutely unplayable unless at 1.5x or 2x speed imo, it is just SO. SLOW. For no reason. Like, it just pads the cleartime artificially to the point I wonder if that was the point.
The playtime is actually longer than most other games, you can tell by looking at the level you end up at in DP compared to other games
Also all pokemon games are slow, DP isn't really more so than the others, people just talk about it more. Nobody talks about stuff like gen 3's item activation animation, battle intro animation, dive speed, or even the simple fact that the HP bars are only twice as fast as DP's (so still slow as hell if you're at a high level)
I knew I wasn’t going crazy when I was mashing to make it faster!
I just always thought Volkner had an octillery cuz he lives in a costal town. Doesn't explain the weird monkey thing though. Maybe they just needed a use for it?
Yup. DP had the "to get the national dex, you need to have seen every single pokémon" thing going on, so they really threw pokémon at random trainers to make that happen.
TBF in the timeline of the games Gen 4 is happening around the time of Gen 2 so it would make sense for Gen 4 gym leaders/E4 members to have awful teams that don’t represent their type
5:56 Team Plasma‽‽‽
0:07 ummm. Who the fuck says this?
Twitter users (idiots)
People rightfully poke fun at the Sinnoh games for having no fire types, but have you seen the pool of available electric types? It's just the Shinx line, Pikachu, and Pachirisu.
Most people took Luxray anyways, so they never noticed it. Same reason why no one talks about how DP's dragon types are literally Palkia Dialga and Garchomp line, but no one cared because if they wanted a dragon, they chose Garchomp.
I think the mixed type gym leader / elite four teams were really cool, and it’s a shame they haven’t done it more. Octillery makes the fight a decent bit harder if your plan is to just brute force it with ground types
No, you are quite iterally the first person I've heard to try and claim Diamond/Pearl are terrible games.
It’s a shame so many people can only see a game as great or terrible with no nuance. Everyone knows DP has pretty major flaws, especially in hindsight, but claiming the game is terrible is hyperbolic.
Several people have claimed it ever since BDSP were announced, theres a really good video on it. DP are broken messes of a game that got fixed with platinum
Always a good day when new Pulse video -- mildly related, but I just found out the homie kriskillins and you are on the same Twitch stream team!
2:13 make hidden power more expensive!!
Can someone please explain the swim speed in gen 4 problem?
Yoooo I'm early as fuuuuuck
"But then why do people want to speedrun DP?"
Because it's fun~
never really watch pokemon speedruns but it was nice learn a little about them
i think gym leaders having a pokemon not their type is cool. Volkner, a mechanic who constantly upgrades his gym bc he’s bored, has an Ambipom to help with that. And Octilery makes sense bc he’s by the ocean and Octilery’s tank/gun design. Flint kinda makes sense with Drifblim being a hot air balloon and Steelix has a dex entry in Diamond stating: “Tempered underground under high pressure and heat, its body is harder than any metal” Loppunny makes no sense tho
I've seen that thumbnail before
Another pulse vid!!
Still my faves, eh.
Can Someone please tell me the music that plays at 0:44
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@@glitchyfruit2503 It's Route 228 ! ^^
Why did they even change the HM placement?…
dear god, game freak experimented and didnt make all gyms complete cakewalks with a single pokemon of the correct type. how awful
Wow, imagine being a Pokémon fan and still thinking Gym Leaders have to be monotype trainers. L reasoning, really.
I am pretty Sure that No 90s Pokémon Kid in Germany thinks those are terrible. Diamond and pearl where Here the most anticipated games fans gathered 5am at the local Stores to buy the Games, it was like fan pokemon day and then inside the store it a
Was allways a purge and everyone Loved the games thats the point. No one talked about the games in a bad way. The only ones doing that are americans in the Internet nowadays lol I dont think anyone in real Life dislikes diamond
Almost like nostalgia is a powerful drug. BDSP showed that basing remakes on DP instead of Platinum was a terrible idea, and gen 4 gets hard carried by HGSS and Plat.
The fact you bring up 90's pokémon kids to defend the games shows that bias, considering genwunners still think the first gen of pokémon games are well-made games or good games.
@@youtube-kit9450 lol its just a fact that Pokémon died with gen 5 you will only find people in the Internet that think otherwise, also you cant deny the fact the Diamond pearl and platin where just the most anticipated Not even hgss got that much hype the Stores where full and Security had to handle the masses
@@youtube-kit9450 Most Pokémon Fans dont even know any one Pokémon after Gen 4 for some Pokémon Fans even Gen 3 was too much
@@onepiecedingsda7558 Considering the games still sell like hotcakes, it's just as undeniable fact that pokémon didn't die with gen 5, in fact gen 5 was super hated by exactly the "90's" crowd back then and it's exactly the re-evaluation that made them super beloved games now that also re-evaluated that DP, compared to Plat and HGSS, are bad games.
As I said... nostalgia is powerful. I'm a 90's kid who actually got back into Pokémon through DP and loved the games back then. It's just that they hold up absolutely terribly compared to quite a few games.
@@onepiecedingsda7558 Yeah, we all know what genwunners are, what's your point. And ofc anyone who was swept up in pokémania in the 90s who then stopped playing the games won't be able to say what pokémon is what. Nothing you're saying right now is even remotely relevant to the topic at hand, which was supposed to be the quality of DPPt judged by the pokémon community nowadays. Now you're literally just spouting genwunner nonsense. And if you're just going to continue that, there's no point in talking to you further. Have a good day.
Yeah, the first six seconds turned me off of the video immediately.
D/P makes you get out of the bicycle every time you enter a route gate(the ones with the guards). I'm almost sure not even Gen 1 had this issue 😂
As far as I remember, every pokemon game does this.
The only place it let's you stay on your bike in a building is cycling road entrance.
Gen 2 did not force you to get off the bike at gates. Only the National Park gate.
@@hayJay1 I recently played FireRed, Emerald, Platinum and Black and none of them do this
@@Lucas-to2jcRSE doesn’t have any route gates. The only gates are the ones at Cycling Road. And I’ve been replaying Gen 1 recently. It does force you off of the bike and the route gates.
hop off d/p
*except for all the people who speedrun Diamond and Pearl
Interesting these games are so bad and yet for bdsp remakes they copy pasted these game instead of platinum!
Almost like there's a reason BDSP aren't seen as great games by big parts of the pokémon community...
People were waiting so long for gen 4 remakes and only noticed once those games came out that they specifically meant platinum remakes.
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I've realized that the speedrunning community is full of butthurt fire starter fans who can't accept the water starter is the better option, just give it up
-signed, a water starter enjoyer
Who actually plays DP when Platinum exists?
Wow I'm surprisingly early for once
wut
diamond and peral are why I look down on people who say it's their favorite gen
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