Toro 60V Max eTimemaster Unboxing, Overview, and First Impressions
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2023
- Toro is releasing their 60V Max eTimemasterlawn mower, and I'm very excited to share my first impressions with you.
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Staying belt driven and not going straight electric motors might be the biggest complaint people will have about this unit. Very common problem, as I am sure you know, with the gas option. Happy to hear that they fixed the cheap battery lid though :)
Belts on this unit will outlast your desire to own the mower. Belts i. This application have much less stress than their petrol counterparts
Belt driven, ugh, why!?!
Excellent. Look forward to more videos.
Great video. This may seal the deal for us moving from our old gas-powered Toro to electric. One question which you may have touched on but any idea on runtime using the "Maximum" power setting all the time? I do bag some but typically try to mulch back into the soil what I cut. Thanks.
To all lamenting the presence of belts, I believe since the blades are not staggered, they HAVE to use a timed belt with teeth so the blades don't contact each other. You can't ensure that with direct drive electric motors.
If they can't get rid of the belts for the blades it doesn't make sense to try and get rid of it for the transmission. (just my uninformed guess)
Sure can use direct drive motors. They would have to be servo motors though ($$$) and all of the controls that come with them. Would make for one very expensive consumer mower!
Good point
Keeping the cheap pullies and not going direct drive is a deal breaker for me. Was pretty excited about this mower.
The sad part is they make a commercial pulley upgrade .... why they don't sell it with them to begin with is beyond me.
I had pulleys fail on gas version under 50 hours.
Plus I heard it's underpowered for thicker and longer grass as it's 1 60v motor for both blades equivalent to running a timemaster with 150 cc engine. I could be wrong but that's based on what I heard elsewhere.
@@danyeo an owner on RUclips
It is underpowered and certainly leaves room for improvement. I’m hoping to get more of a complete review out sometime this year.
I heard the greenworks 30" commercial is hard to maneuver and stresses the shoulders during a day's work. Will also look at the Ryobi 30" as many are waiting for an Ego 30". Saw recently on the Walmart website that there's a Greenworks 60v 54 inch zero-turn mower that cuts up to 3.5 acres for 6500 bucks
thank you for featuring this mower! I am considering going from the gas timemaster to the electric
Me to, until I saw this. No changes!? Wtf Toro!
I think many people echoed it in your previous video, but many many consumers are going to hesitate at the price tag here. If toro wants to push a product like this and make it competitive with both their own line, and against other competitors then they need to make it more affordable. Until then I'll keep rocking my gas timemaster.
Ryobi has a 30" 80V and it's $2000 too.. wth?
yep. I just got an quote back for $3600!!!! No way. Get a grip Toro.
Really looking at this with a large lawn at home. Had a John Deere riding mower. But thought the exercise would be good for me.
I used to have a gas Personal Pace mower, and I think that feature is really overlooked. It's really, really nice that you don't have to chase or push the mower.
Great video. Thanks.
One thing you missed is not only does the handle fold to 90• it actual goes almost flat which allows the whole mower to be stowed upright which is huge for any commercial guys that need room on their trailers.
Thank you very much for this informative video! Toro says the eTimeMaster can run up to 65 minutes on two 10 AMP batteries. So I was wondering if the mower could run on one 10 AMP battery for a shorter period of time? If so, I would assume for up to about 30 minutes.
I made my own. I took the electric motor head and swapped it with the gas motor. I bought my gas powered timemaster 8 years ago. I have 5 batteries and it works good. I haven't had it shut down going over tall grass. Total cost buying the mower 8 years ago out of season, buying the motor head on eBay with batteries, selling the good working gas engine I removed, cost all said and done $575. Much better then almost $3000. I have a video of mine working. Toro used the same engine shaft and bolt configuration on both their gas and electric models. I assume to save money and use the same decks.
How is the suction? I have a gas and battery powered mower currently. The gas mower clearly has better suction and that is a big reason why I don't want to move fully to battery powered yet.
For those talking about this unit still being belt driven vs. electric motor… all electric mowers that have electric motors for the self-propel are very jumpy. They don’t ease into the drive, they have a brief delay and then jumps into gear. I believe the belt driven system will keep this process much smoother.
Will (Toro part number 144-6377 traction assist handle kit) (for new Toro Time Master mowers) fit on new Toro AWD 21472 mower? Both have same mounting holes and shape.
Does it use the standard blade that is on the gas version or is it a thinner one that goes dull like other electric mowers?
Could you do a video of taking the plastic cover off the pulley system? I’m interested to see what toro have done with the blade brake belt
An interesting comparison review if you could swing it would be to compare with the new Ryobi 80V 30" battery walk behind mower.
Do those 10amh batteries fit in the toro super recycler 60v
I had to return my 22inch 60v Mower due to not bagging all the clipping. To me its not worth spending $700 just to leave all the grass everywhere on the yard.
Amen🤔
2,500 for a residential battery mower... That can get you an actual 30" commercial mower.. or a scag SFC 30" which will last 10x as long with 10x the abuse.
🤔Amen.
Jeez that's nuts! I'll stick to my gas thank you very much
I bought a used (900 hours) Gravely pro stance 36” for $1500 5 years ago and it’s just been regular maintenance.
Can't be that.@@yolo_burrito
Facts.
I’ve had my gas driven TimeMaster for five years. I mow a 10,000 square ft lawn 40 times per season and have not had to replace a belt yet. I sharpen the blades twice a season and change the oil and spark plug. I remove the plastic belt guard 2-3 times per season and clean out the grass and debris. I’ve never tried to only mulch with it. I use the side discharge and the bag. It is a cold blooded machine with the automatic choke but that’s my only complaint. Have I been lucky?
Yes, buy a lottery ticket.
First Aussie 😁. Master of Time Tool. 😎
This is tempting. I already have the greenworks 80v weed trimmer though so not sure if I just want to stay committed to greenworks tools. Sucks they all use proprietary batteries.
Curious if you can still use self propel when the blades aren't engaged like the gas model. Also, are the lights always on or is there a light sensor?
Great questions. Blades are always engaged when the mower is on. Wish that wasn't the case. It feels weird. Lights are also always on. Similar to other 60V mowers.
@@JimmyLewisMows thanks man. Seems like they should have a light switch, and let the blades operate like the gas mower. Would save electricity lol
You still working for YM?
Is the 30” as quit as the smaller 24” mowers. These batteries mowers are great for homeowners not sure for landscapers yet. Time will tell tho.
@Jimmy Lewis can you give any idea of when this is getting released? I thought they were coming early spring, bit i cant find any place that has them yet.
It's available now!
1. What kind of fertilizer do you use? Your grass looks really green!
2. Good looking mower, I can’t wait to purchase mine!
Thank you.
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Are you able to add a third battery and increase battery life?
Do a video on that golf green you have in your yard because its very nice.
Thanks. I’ll do ya one better…I have a playlist. Enjoy.
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Toro gas Timemaster has a 3 year warranty, batteries have a 1 year warranty. I know which one I'm picking.
Which one are you picking?
Sounds like your going with the wrong company to me.
My one complaint about Toro is the cables on the handle bar are hanging out,they can get caught of shrubs etc.(that’s has happened to me)Wish they would come up with a better system for keeping the cables more orderly.My 60v Recycler works great,would hate to go back to buying gas.No worrying about whether it’s going to start,or motor maintenance issues to deal with. 👍
Looks like your the only one getting one of these this year!!
I wanted to see the headlights on
Is this the endgame electric push mower?
Consider doing a head to head with the gas version. It sure does look promising.
Its disturbing that there are not more videos on RUclips of this mower yet.
It’s not available yet. I would imagine once it’s available you’ll start seeing more videos.
I wonder how long before the blades eat up the trailing shield. I'm hoping Toro addressed this issue with the electric one.
In the 4 years I've owned the gas model I've never had an issue with this.
@@JimmyLewisMows Some people do get lucky, but mine was half shredded at about 5 hours. I was able to build my own using a thin rod and two Honda 06761-VH7-305 trailing shields.
Any updates on this?
Can you use the Personal Pace without the blades engaged (move the mower)? I've had one on order for a while now...just waiting for it to ship and I've heard it won't until mid-August.
The short answer on this is no - the blades need to engage to move the mower. I'm working on a video about this and other features. I had a call w/ one of the Toro engineers and we discussed this among other things. Hope to have it out in the next week or two.
@@JimmyLewisMows That's too bad. I do that with my regular Timemaster frequently when I don't want to blow clippings around on the driveway or sidewalk when I'm done mowing. I guess I'll get used to the change...not ideal.
@@JimmyLewisMows I currently have a gas Timemaster. I know you'll have a video out soon on the 60v model. Would you recommend this over the gas version? I haven't had the gas version very long and am considering switching to the battery model. My return window on the gas model is only a few more days; could you give any insight?
I'm very interested in getting one. My biggest issue - how maneuverable is it around shrubs, is it easy to pull backwards, etc. How heavy mowing on a slope?
I have the gas version and what I can say is it has the same transmission I think. IF so,it gets between shrubs good but on steep slopes it cant pull it's own weight but I do have a steep hill
@@shadwell749how steep is steep?
Good job on this video and thank you! That thing is absurdly big and expensive. I could buy 8 gas powered 20” push mowers for what that costs and still have money left over lol! I appreciate your video but can’t believe people would choose to spend that kind of money on a residential lawn mower
Just purchased this mower, and in my opinion, the cut quality does not compare to the gas version, which I had for 3 years. I have stragglers left behind with the mower in Max mode when mulching.
It's real! When can I get one?
Coming soon!
@@JimmyLewisMows See Home Depot has a page up for the 3-battery model, but showing out of stock.
What are the dimensions on your shed?
16’ x 24’
I would be interested in a video testing how it does with the toro striping kit. I'm mainly curious if it has enough power to pull it around, especially up hills.
I have no doubt it will pull it around. I also have no doubt it will add more draw on battery life. But I would argue that a striping kit isn't completely necessary on these mowers. They produce pretty great natural stripes.
Price tag is nuts, glad EGO is great still
It's unfortunate that EGO doesn't make a 30" mower. Personally, I would love to see their version of a 30" mower!
You would want a big very lawn to justicefy that
Any updates on this mower?
Still in the coming soon phase
Just sitting here waiting for the next round of clog-master comments 😂😂. It’s cool, but like others have stated, was hoping for dual brushless motors instead of the pulleys. I’d take one if they would send me one, though. 😅
I have not had any issues with clogging.
That said I only bag & have not side discharged
in the last 60 years since I was 12 & cut my parents
lawn on a riding mower in the 1950 & 60's.
I like the bag better than the 21" Snappers I have been
using for the last 37 years & lawn boys before that.
The bag is easer to remove & seems lighter for some
reason & is easier to empty.
Also I Never cut wet or damp grass or use a blade more
than twice on snapper & 3 times on the Toro, then they
get sharpened or swapped out with a spare that's sharp.
Aside from reel mowing, the Honda HRX217 is still top contender imo. It destroys everything else in the mulching capabilities category with amazing results.
I chose the Toro Super Recycler over the HRX and regret it every time I use it. If you have a perfectly flat lawn, then they’re comparable. I do not and I underestimated how much that would be an issue.
Honda getting out of manufacturing lawn mowers
@@brodygoalie They’ll have parts for years to come. If I could trade in the Toro for a Honda today, I’d do it in a heart beat.
@@DMCnME I’ve had my Toro Recycler Personal Pace 22” for approximately 8 years with 0000 problems. All I have to do is add oil, not change it, Cut blade and change filter and spark plug when needed every 3 to 4 years. I want an electric or Honda garbage mower but refuse. It ain’t broke then why replace it. 🧑🏿🦲
They had the chance to connect motors directly to the blades like some zero turns, just engineer smaller motors.. I mean, it would only be fair if they want to charge this price for it.
Apparently the timed blades would be an issue with direct drive motors, could be worked around but it would be even more expensive
@@kelkev85 greenworks commercial 30 did a battery powered 30 with two motors
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… I have no idea what Toro is doing. $2400? 😭 Who does this appeal to at that price point? Pros will go towards a gas powered Turfmaster at that price… so not them. 9.9/10 homeowners will laugh at the price and move on. I’m a big believer and supporter of battery tech (own the Milwaukee mower which most already scoff at priced around $1000), and have operated my fair share of Toros in the past… but I just do not see this (and some of their other choices) helping them gain any market share in an increasingly competitive OPE segment. Even Ryobi beat them to the punch with their 30” dual bladed 80v model… $2000 and it comes with their string trimmer, blower, and a 4ah bundled free right now. 5yr warranty on tool and battery as well versus Toro’s 3yr. I’m not endorsing the Ryobi by any means - just providing contrast.
All Toro is doing is fattening their pocketbooks.
@@WooderBoyProductionsMaybe… but I’m thinking they have some significant supply chain or manufacturing cost issues. Their rate of price increases has outpaced their rivals… and their quality control has gone down. A real shame.
Very mixed on this. On the one hand, I'm glad Toro finally stepped up and made a 30" electric mower, so props to them for that.
On the other hand, I feel like they were super lazy with this design. The pulley and belt system on the Timemaster line has been a problematic mess... for over a DECADE... The fact that they didn't take this as an opportunity to upgrade everything, go belt-less and ditch the pulley system, I think is telling on where they are at as a company, and it's asking for inevitable headaches. And they're charging a premium for it.
Maybe they'll release a brushless, belt-less, pulley-less system when the Toro Haven auto-mower is released in Spring of 20XX... **ba-dum tsss**
How much time to do 7k square feet?
Takes me about 30-40m with is mower. I walk fairly fast.
How much?
They totally missed the mark here. This new electric model should been re-engineered to offer a newer composite/plastic deck similar to the Honda (lighter and no rusting) and also a more modern hydraulic drive system. I'd argue given how large the timemaster is this new model also should of incorporated a reverse drive also. Again, they totally missed the mark by simply taking the existing steel deck and outdated pulley-based drive system timemster (which is a great push mower for large spaces) and plopping a brushless motor with headlamps onto it and also asking faaaaar more $ than the existing gas powered timemaster.
Corporate greed.
To me, the fact that the battery mowers use the same steel deck is a benefit. I hate light plastic mowers that bounce around on your lawn like a toy.
I own both gas and battery Timemaster mower . Myself the gas mower cuts way better, and I think the battery one is heavier than the gas one.
I got the gas version the end of Feb 2023 & started the season for the first six mows
with my Snapper 21" then switched to the Toro 30" after I checked it over & added
a Briggs & Stratton Fuel Shutt-0ff Valve.
This mower will save you about 1/3 the mowing time & I mow really slow.
This results are outstanding.
Any and all the issue you see on the internet or the many You Tube Channels
so far have not showed up & I made no adjustments out of the box.
It starts on the second pull out of the box & during use.
No oil or fuel leaks & the deck stays pretty clean.
I tip it back after every 3 mows remove & sharpen the blades scrape & wire
brush under the deck.
You do need ear muffs & as far as fuel I am able to do 5,000' on a tank.
I stay away from any sandy areas or away from the not so good back yard
to keep the blades sharp & use the 21' snappy for those areas.
Its time to mow again with the e timemaster. No music please, we want to hear this thing. Can it self propel without the blades spinning? I have a lot of landscape river rock to cross to get from the front yard to the back yard. I can't push a mower this heavy through those rocks, and I don't want to launch a rock through my neighbors window.
Yea for $2,400 plus tax $168 I think I would get a rider so I can sit on my but and drink a beer while mowing. Replacement battery $280 for one 60v Max Flex Force 6.0Ah Lithium Ion and who know how long they will last. I know prices vary but that was the average. Thanks for the review, it was educational.
Wowwww!!! I just saw they want $2,700 (post taxes) for this thing. That’s almost $1,000 more than the cost of the timemaster gas. Yikes. That’s quite the jump.
I got the gas version in Feb 2023 at Home Depot.
It was on sale if that is actually true.
It was $1,499.00 less Veterans Discount so $1,349.10
I went across State line to avoid sales tax as well.
I saved $230.84
jimmy, since you're the only RUclips creator I'm have purchased a hat from I HAVE A QUESTION that's not related to this mower but the 40 Volt trimmer and blower I purchased not long ago I'm haven't issues finding 40 volt batteries I've even contacted Toro and crickets maybe you have a contact
40 volt? You mean 60 volt?
@@JimmyLewisMows no I mean 40 volt - Toro 14" PowerPlex 40V MAX* Brushless String Trimmer
I also have the brushless blower has been unable to find batteries and unable to get anything out of Toro. Either way. I've been a customer going on 45 years and they're going to lose me if they don't reply I'll go with you E-go instead
I bought the 40 volt line when the 60 volt first came out and was designated the professional line and Toro has since changed their mind. I began the search for new 40 volt batteries when the Plandemic began in 2020 for fear I wouldn't get anymore. Toro was oh nooo don't worry about it we aren't discontinuing that line up. I've been trying on and off since 2020 and am having difficulty getting anywhere WITH TORO
2400 bucks for this thing is criminal. I've had nothing but issues with my gas Timemaster . Replaced just about everything on it. Toro hasn't changed a thing here except for battery power.
Whatever happened to the renovation for your friend and brother-in-law??
Grass is growing. I haven't had much extra time this year. Got a promotion at work and it takes up a lot more time. Hope to have an update on my bro-in-law's renovation soon.
Ugh, what a disappointment. I was really looking forward to this and hoping it would have some changes and upgrade over the timemaster which hasn’t changed in years. Maybe the turf master won’t be belt driven
$2,500? Not a chance. Ridiculous.
If you get the gas version & Veterans Discount & no sales tax
as I did you can buy two for $2,698.20
Have to wait a few years for the Electric Version of any tool or
equipment to sort out the technology & price.
Is this real? Can it be?
In ireland the timemaster is 2k euro and i can tell you for our grass its not worth nothing it cant collect and to mulch our grass is to thick and heavy peak season
Yeah.... They are charging more than the gas unit bare tool and they really didn't do much engineering. Much like their electric snow blowers, they just put a motor where the engine was. Toro is getting greedy as hell and it's going to lead people to start buying else where
That’s exactly why I bought a Toro SR. I like their standard deck. I know I can get parts quickly. If you want a new chassis, buy a Toro Stripe.
And this is a problem how? Just what did you expect?
I have both a Toro 60V electric lawnmower & snowblower. Both work great, and I appreciate having only one type of battery for several tools.
The extra cost compared to the gas unit is almost certainly due to the batteries.
@@Bonnev-jt8hl the bare tool (no batteries) costs more than the gas model. And the gas model is already over priced. 50% price increase in 2 years was plain greed. My biggest complaint is the lack of innovation. The wheels should have a drive motor along with each blade. Snowblowers should have a drive motor each wheel, and one for the paddle or auger/impeller.
@@ColeSpolaric adding more motors will only increase the cost even more. And would the tool work any better relative to that added cost?
If you want to take issue with Toro’s pricing that is one thing.
@@Bonnev-jt8hl less parts to break, less maintenance. I already ran into an issue where the belt tensioner backed all the way out on my time master (that I bought before the price increases). My main point is that if they innovated more I might be ok with the cost
The price and belts....hard pass.
This.
bingo.
The auto setting is useless. My 21 inch greenworks cut better. Max mode is the way to go.
$2400, plus tax? Nope.
Blah blah blah blah, no one ever points out the price.
Milwaukee it's so much better
Can you honestly say that after trying both? Or are you just a satisfied Milwaukee owner?
Well if it’s anything like the two piece of shit gas models I’ve had them I know not to go near this!
It's exactly the same and they just keep raising the price on the gas models. I'd never buy one again.
Na, I'm good. Stick with gas.
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