55:55 Fun fact, Ralph. Universal did sue Nintendo for using "Kong" in DK in the 1980's. Nintendo prevailed because their lawyer used another court case (Universal City Studios v. RKO General) where it was proved that King Kong was public domain. Nintendo thanked their lawyer John Kirby with a sailboat and naming their Kirby series after him.
0:00 - Intro 1:13 - Warner Bros will be releasing all of their 2021 films both on HBO Max and Theatres 19:44 - Mank Discussion 47:04 - King Kong (1933) 1:02:13 - King Kong (2005) 1:30:53 - Q&A 1:31:04 - You wake up tomorrow, look in the mirror, and see Neil Breen looking back at you. Much to your surprise, you’ve become a clone of Breen, possessing the same supernatural abilities he displays in his films (the ability to freeze time, hack government servers, hook up with bad actresses half your age, eat tuna, etc.) How would you use your otherworldly abilities to help mankind? Or would you instead use your powers to help yourself? 1:33:48 - What’s your opinion on the New York Times 25 greatest actors of the past 20 years list? I know at least Adam has taken a look at this, so who do you think is too high/too low? Any notable snubs? And finally anyone who definitely shouldn’t be there? 1:44:53 - Since you're talking about King Kong, I would like to ask this: What is a movie you like that has really weird sexual implications? King Kong being attracted to the blonde lady for example. Another example, and more famous, is Slave Leia in Return of the Jedi. The whole Leia being enslaved by Jabba has to me really weird sexual implications. Can you think of any others? 1:47:10 - Who is your least favorite actor based on their work and acting style? 1:51:26 - What would you consider to be the most terrifying non-horror films. I would say Seven seeing it is more of a crime thriller than a pure horror film. 1:52:46 - Is it important to stumble into a so-bad-it’s-good movie? Does the reputation of something like The Room or Neil Breen movies actually go against the enjoyment of first time viewers? Next week's recommendation: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
@@comradejosephstalinoftheus8698 man I love fistful but Yojimbo was one of the first foreign movies I saw so it holds a special place in my heart, I love the story of Kurosawa writing a letter to Leone saying something along the lines of he liked the movie but he was watching 'his' movie lmao
Which is quite alright. Adam tends to recommend really from all over the place and I like that Ralph recommend stuff that are very standard. Usual best picks come from Alex.
@@Drillur I’ve seen a lot of oeople in the comments and subreddit getting excited for each week’s recommendation. I know that if I spend two hours on this podcast then the recommendation is more exciting because it’s built up. if i see it as soon as it’s possible to be revealed then i dont eeally care as much
Another impressive thing about the old King Kong is the music and the sound design. For a movie from the early thirties it feels very ahead of its time.
I believe it was the first-ever big Hollywood "talkie" film to actually have a full thematic score accompanying it in the soundtrack, so it was very ahead of its time in that regard.
59:17 The "I hear it's something like a gorilla!" "Hey, haven't we got enough of them in New York?" line, I never interpreted that as having any kind of racial or class meaning, as I'm pretty sure another theater guests is shoving past them as they're saying it. I think they were implying dumb/stupid and/or clumsy people, as opposed to some kind of racial slur.
I always thought that as well. I feel the people who notice these things are to an extent trying to find them, and have to be kinda racist, because a non racist person just wouldn't ever consider this line to be about race in the first place.
Yeah Adum completely misinterpreted that part. I’m actually more upset that they didn’t mention the line where the black native chief says “I’d trade 10 of my women for your white women”. A lot of this movie was a display of whites America’s anxiety around white women being taken by black men and I wish they discussed that. King Kong has been discussed a lot as being a blatant metaphor for black men trying to get with white girls.
I disagree with your critisim of Taxi drivers, the reason Taxi drivers can't lower their prices is because they have to pay tax (uber doesn't because it lies and says it's not a taxi company) and because Taxi drivers often earn a wage they can live off and if they work for a taxi rank they treat them as employees, they again can't lower their prices. You are bascially asking people to possibly commit tax fraud, give up pension plans, sick leave etc and starve themselves, in the vain hope that uber won't also lower it's drivers wages even more starving them too. This is not too mention Taxi's have standard fair, whereas Uber doesn't meaning that it's actually often more expensive to get an Uber or equivalent, than a traditional Taxi. The app is just seen as more convenient. That's the only way Taxi's could become competitive again, if a third party app existed that got traction and became just a ubiquitous.
Yeah the whole argument that the taxi driving industry is a bad business model is generally flawed because it treats itself as a regulated service industry with wage earning employees. Uber essentially cheats the system and all regulations and treats their commissioned “employees” like trash just they can steal the taxi market
Living near the center of a city, I've never actually needed to use uber. Just a 5 minute walk to the main road, and I know a taxi will be along in 1-10 minutes, which as I understand it is faster than any uber.
"Ain't there enough gorillas in New York?" There's actually no reason to be offended by this line - you just have to know the historical context. "Gorilla" at the time was just slang for a big dumb guy. Like, in film noir you'd have the detective tell the villain to "Call off your gorilla". Or the kidnapped heroine would say "Let me go, you big ape." They were talking about white guys, and it wasn't racist.
Netflix historically operates in the red, which affects their stock ratings, but their business model really supports that. Unless a sudden mass exodus of subscribers occurs, they can keep at it
@@tinyturnip7676 a better selection requires a higher price, essentially. The platform is filled with arguably low quality content because buying universal access to such content through their platform is *very cheap*, so they keep doing it. I would say their philosophy in that regard is quantity over quality; they would rather you run out of *good* content than let you run out of *all* content. Beyond that, revent Netflix shows like The Witcher or Queen's Gambit are, by most estimates, great and popular series. Such series are not especially cheap to produce, so they need more money to continue with them. Don't get me started on how inflation naturally forces price hikes incrementally anyway.
@@intelligenceparadigm4931 I've always felt that prime video had more film selection (from past films, not necessarily originals). It's probably because I like the classics.
That fucking insect scene in the 05 film was the only part of the whole thing I still remember, and it traumatized me so much as a wee lad that I'm genuinely surprised I didn't grow up to have severe entomophobia.
As rare as it is I agree with Adam & Alex about Mank. It was filmed masterfully. But there isn't really a story. Barton Fink was a much better film about the golden age of Hollywood.
I'm sad the guys didn't do a bit more research on the topic of who wrote Citizen Kane. The idea that Mank did it all and then Welles ripped him off was put out by the notorious Pauline Kael in the 70s, but within a few years it had been disproven pretty emphatically. There's a video about this on youtube, called "The controversy behind David Fincher's MANK".
Will be looking into! I wasn’t surprised by Hearst and Co.’s sabotaging of Sinclair’s attempt at a political career, but I hadn’t known about it until I watched Mank. It’s all very interesting to me.
Guys, it’s illegal for a studio like Disney to open their own theaters because of the Paramount decision in 1948. Disney could be powerful enough to find some way around it, but it’s pretty clearly illegal right now.
Maybe if I, a viewer, tell you that you're awesome and your FLCL video is perfect, you will engage this viewer by saying something like "thanks dude" and then I feel slightly happier than I otherwise would have today
It'd never happen, but having Ben Mankiewicz as a guest on Sardonicast would be interesting. Ralph, Killing of a Sacred Deer is clearly going for a horror vibe even if not a traditional horror movie. Alex, Mank is set before World War 2; it's a Depression Era piece more than anything else. Hitler was a political figure for around a decade prior to World War 2.
I thought the "ain't we got enough [gorillas] in New York?" line was directed at the guy who was rudely clambering over the woman who said that in her seat?
I think it's very selfish to think streaming is equal to going to the movies. And it's not because directors are insane and think their movies should only be seen on the big screen. It's because of all the people that work in cinema and will lose their jobs. Cinema is not just the writers and the actors and the directors, it's also the people who give you popcorn and show you where your seat is. These people are part of the cinema industry and the cinema experience, and deserve our respect. They deserve to have a job.
If there's no demand in the future, the workers who satisfy that demand will no longer be needed in that position. I personally don't think streaming is equal to going to the movies, I think streaming is far superior to going to the movies.
The MBO Max release strategy is gonna kill multiple theater rewatches. If I go to the movies and like any of the films they release, I’m not gonna pay to rewatch it again when I can just catch it again on streaming.
Depends. Say you don't have HBO Max and the movie is available for rent, you can probably save some money, since theater tickets can be pretty cheap, unless the theater is far in which gas money kinda ruins that
It doesn't really matter. Covid is going to kill movies for 2021 anyway, so WB figure they can at least use their stockpile to promote the streaming channel.
For people interested in watching King Kong (1933) based on these guys' recommendation, I'd say try to see it on a big screen. On a laptop or small TV, you just won't get the scope that the film makers intended.
Did you noticed that when Mank is arguing with Orson Welles they cut to Mank arguing with William Hearst? Mank is arguing with Charles Foster Kane In both time lines. Mank is arguing with citizen Kane in a way.
Kong 2005 is a period piece because Jackson wanted to make a "love letter" to that whole era of Hollywood, hence the leading man character. I also feel like the premise of capturing the only known member of an endangered species and dragging it to the US was pretty dated by 2005. Not that we've been living in harmony with nature for the last 15 years, but you just couldn't pull shit like that and get the same apathetic reaction that you would in the 30s.
The way I see it is that the 1933 original is sort of like the theatrical cut while the 2005 remake is the extended edition of the same story. I just happen to be the guy who likes the EE more
I like how when they made King Kong 1933, they thought they had to show someone getting the idea to use airplanes to get Kong down from the ESB. Really had to spell it out to the audience back then. Was anyone confused about what the planes were doing when they showed up at the end of Kong05?
The reason the new one is set during the 30s is because the early 20th century was a time of adventure and exploration. Much of the world we know today was still alien to westerners, technology like commercial aircraft wasn't available. A place like skull island would still be completely uncharted during that time due to lack of satellite technology. The 30s setting made perfect sense and added a lot to the remake instead of it being a genetic modern day monster flick.
@@ThreadBomb A mystery? During the 21st century? I don't think so. Skull Island is located off the coast of Sumatra which means it would Indonesian territory. They would probably just send the military in or something. During the 30s, that region was under Dutch control.
I think the problem with the HBO MAX thing like Denis Villeneuve puts it is that it will limit the budget even more removing the possibilities of us getting big block busters like DUNE. Also, 4K is getting more affordable in the west, but where I live it's still fucking expensive with a minumum of 7 grand.
The HBO max announcement isn't going to affect budgets of future movies, because this is just being done because Covid means these movies aren't going to make a profit anyway. If Dune does well in streaming, I have no doubt WB will greenlight a big budget sequel and release it to cinemas.
I think the subtext to mank is also: give credit to the screenwriter! Which Fincher does by eventually making the screenplay of his father into a film.
Video Recommendation: Royal Ocean Film Society's video about Mank and Orson Welles called The Controversy Behind David Fincher's MANK (or as it should be called Citizen Kael) It provides more historical nuance to the finale than the movie does.
Yeah, these guys really need a bit more historical context for these movies. It's like thinking that the movie Amadeus is a realistic portrayal of Mozart and Salieri. Wrong and embarrassing.
About Netflix, some anime you can only watch in Asia and in US and EU the show is premiered months later. It's been a pretty bizarre situation when netflix released Ad/trailer for an anime that supposed to premiere at 7 December, but turned out it's only in Asia, although the Ad/trailer had English subtitles...
Netflix has actually been massively in debt for years, and it's been getting worse and worse for them. Streaming isn't quite as profitable as we think.
One of the reasons studios sometimes stagger the release of a movie around the world is because they may be trying to take advantage of another countries holiday weekend or something else culturally specific that they feel will benefit the film at the box office in that region.
I love watching movies at home (4K HDR 55" screen in a small room feels like a cinema experience, plus I can pause to pee and get popcorn refills) and I was always resentful when I had to go to a cinema to watch a cultural event movie. Less than 2 years ago I said "I can't wait for cinemas to die so I can just pay to stream these movies at home".....now that's an actual reality and it kinda sucks a little bit.
Quinton Reviews had made a sub milestone where if he reaches it he will do a big review of High School Musical, and I can't help but ask 'why?'. I don't see how he will be able to say anything that no one else has already said.
I don't know where Adam gets his info from but Netflix has been in debt until at least the first quarter of 2020. That is how they function to fulfill there investment needs. I assume they are still in debt, though less in debt than they were before.
Adum's point about Amazon Prime's shitty distribution is spot on. I wouldn't have been able to watch Sound of Metal or Steve McQueen's Small Axe series if it wasn't for today's sponsor, NordVPN.
I have a prime video subscription but in my country (india) the series SMALL AXE isnt available to stream and i fucking love steve mcqueen and i was so hyped for the series and now i am pirating all the films from the series
Happy to hear about King Kong 1933, I loved it a lot and it's one of my favorite movies. It really makes RKO look like a legendary movie company. It's an amazing line where she says "I thought you hated women" and he responds "you're not women" and they embrace. You guys are cucs though.
@@Ro500501502 Still not answering my question, which means you dont have an answer, which means your making shit up because they dont like the film as much as you do. Got it.
1:51:25 You could say Black Swan is one of the scariest non-horror film. You can't really call it horror, even though it uses tonnes of horror elements.
That Sardonicast logo freaks me out. It should have been vector-based. Instead they blew up a jpeg so much, that the pixels are showing. How unprofessional! I expect more from these guys. ;b
3:20 what kind of perfect fantasy land does Ralph live in lmao, in Australia 50+ inch 4k TVs will cost you upwards of $600, $700 so that can't be right
I would hardly call it a love letter to cinema, I see it as a scathing critique of the culture in which these movies are made, and the structures that push this content into our eyes
The Sardonicast episode about Mank and Monkey
@The Kid are you familiar with the parable of the organ grinder’s monkey...?
Mankey
Monkeywitz
M A N K E
Mankey Monk and the Fanky Bonch
Let’s face it, Christopher Nolan is mad mainly because he can’t experience Space Jam: A New Legacy in IMAX
ARE YOU NOT?!??!???
@@bennettsolomon2881 You bet your sweet bippy I’m going to risk my health and safety just to see Space Jam
He said he loves Fast Furious: Tokyo Drift, so i don't have a hard time believing that...
Let's go!!!!!!
@@1997residente Where did he say that?
Yes. Time to feel like I have friends for 2 hours.
I laughed but now I'm sad because it's too relatable
Friends who never let you say anything or listen to you
Same
@@lauraanjema7415 Sounds about right actually lol
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55:55 Fun fact, Ralph. Universal did sue Nintendo for using "Kong" in DK in the 1980's. Nintendo prevailed because their lawyer used another court case (Universal City Studios v. RKO General) where it was proved that King Kong was public domain. Nintendo thanked their lawyer John Kirby with a sailboat and naming their Kirby series after him.
Woah! That's nuts!
0:00 - Intro
1:13 - Warner Bros will be releasing all of their 2021 films both on HBO Max and Theatres
19:44 - Mank Discussion
47:04 - King Kong (1933)
1:02:13 - King Kong (2005)
1:30:53 - Q&A
1:31:04 - You wake up tomorrow, look in the mirror, and see Neil Breen looking back at you. Much to your surprise, you’ve become a clone of Breen, possessing the same supernatural abilities he displays in his films (the ability to freeze time, hack government servers, hook up with bad actresses half your age, eat tuna, etc.)
How would you use your otherworldly abilities to help mankind? Or would you instead use your powers to help yourself?
1:33:48 - What’s your opinion on the New York Times 25 greatest actors of the past 20 years list? I know at least Adam has taken a look at this, so who do you think is too high/too low? Any notable snubs? And finally anyone who definitely shouldn’t be there?
1:44:53 - Since you're talking about King Kong, I would like to ask this: What is a movie you like that has really weird sexual implications? King Kong being attracted to the blonde lady for example. Another example, and more famous, is Slave Leia in Return of the Jedi. The whole Leia being enslaved by Jabba has to me really weird sexual implications. Can you think of any others?
1:47:10 - Who is your least favorite actor based on their work and acting style?
1:51:26 - What would you consider to be the most terrifying non-horror films. I would say Seven seeing it is more of a crime thriller than a pure horror film.
1:52:46 - Is it important to stumble into a so-bad-it’s-good movie? Does the reputation of something like The Room or Neil Breen movies actually go against the enjoyment of first time viewers?
Next week's recommendation: Bicycle Thieves (1948)
I forgot about patreon I was like wtf?
Cheers for that love
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You a good guy bruddur
I'm glad the discussion of the films are longer than the Questions.
That insect scene messed me up when I first saw it.
Why yes the MANKEY episode.
Nice
I hope your proud of this , because I would be
"It's awfully exciting, I've never been on a podcast before."
"Well, I've never been on one with a gay furry before."
Day #7 of asking Sardonicast to review Rango (2011)
Yes, they should also watch Hard Boiled.
Rango is better than Django
@The Boss What are your thoughts on Yojimbo vs Fistful of Dollars.
@@comradejosephstalinoftheus8698 man I love fistful but Yojimbo was one of the first foreign movies I saw so it holds a special place in my heart, I love the story of Kurosawa writing a letter to Leone saying something along the lines of he liked the movie but he was watching 'his' movie lmao
@@comradejosephstalinoftheus8698 I second a hard boiled recommendation too, super fun movie
I feel like the real King Kong is the friends we made along the way.
@@balabanasireti it’s almost as old as the og king kong
With recommendations like "Bicycle Thieves" and "Tokyo Story", Ralph is really showing his "I went to film school" badge as much as he can.
Which is quite alright. Adam tends to recommend really from all over the place and I like that Ralph recommend stuff that are very standard. Usual best picks come from Alex.
This is what i get for looking at the comments before finishing the video..
@@joomface You are acting as if the recommendation for next week is a *spoiler*.
Or he's getting into Criterion. Those and Stalker are veeeery popular in the Criterion collecting community.
@@Drillur I’ve seen a lot of oeople in the comments and subreddit getting excited for each week’s recommendation. I know that if I spend two hours on this podcast then the recommendation is more exciting because it’s built up. if i see it as soon as it’s possible to be revealed then i dont eeally care as much
Another impressive thing about the old King Kong is the music and the sound design. For a movie from the early thirties it feels very ahead of its time.
I believe it was the first-ever big Hollywood "talkie" film to actually have a full thematic score accompanying it in the soundtrack, so it was very ahead of its time in that regard.
Yeah but it didn't have PENIS WORM
Max Steiner's music for King Kong was a landmark in cinema. The beginning of the golden age of Hollywood film scores.
Mank looks like he's ready to charge at King Kong in the thumbnail
Gonna sock'em
The audio for this week’s podcast is the same as last episodes on iTunes and Spotify, so I’m listening to it on RUclips :3
These friend simulators are great!
First time crying in a movie theater for me as a kid watching king kong (2005) fall off that building.
59:17 The "I hear it's something like a gorilla!" "Hey, haven't we got enough of them in New York?" line, I never interpreted that as having any kind of racial or class meaning, as I'm pretty sure another theater guests is shoving past them as they're saying it. I think they were implying dumb/stupid and/or clumsy people, as opposed to some kind of racial slur.
I always thought that as well. I feel the people who notice these things are to an extent trying to find them, and have to be kinda racist, because a non racist person just wouldn't ever consider this line to be about race in the first place.
Yeah, "gorilla" or "ape" at the time was just slang for a big dumb muscular guy. You'll get this if you watch other movies from the period.
It's just current year sensibilities applied to a 90 year old movie.
Yeah Adum completely misinterpreted that part. I’m actually more upset that they didn’t mention the line where the black native chief says “I’d trade 10 of my women for your white women”. A lot of this movie was a display of whites America’s anxiety around white women being taken by black men and I wish they discussed that. King Kong has been discussed a lot as being a blatant metaphor for black men trying to get with white girls.
@@makaron9363 it’s not “current year” this has been going on for a long time lol
I rely on Ralph to keep me updated on the Channel Awesome crew
Whoever was responsible for the second and third pieces of fanart at the beginning, I commend you.
Cheers :D
That second fan art in the intro is nightmare fuel
Cheers...I think?
Just based on the Boys alone, I’d put Antony Starr on the list of 25 actors. He really is phenomenal.
Thanks Mr, Plinkett, very cool!
Thanks plinkett
You may not have noticed Anthony Star was the best actor of out generation, but your brain did...
Where's my pizza rolls you FUCK?!
Insects do look good in CGI. It’s insane how good Starship Troopers still looks.
By sheer coincidence, the day this video was posted is also the 15th anniversary of the 2005 film.
Movies with the “born yesterday” trope have weird sexual implications for me tbh
There's an excellent video analysing that trope from a few years ago, ruclips.net/video/0thpEyEwi80/видео.html
At least you answer my question with more detail. I was hoping for their response to be a little longer. Oh well.
ruclips.net/video/0thpEyEwi80/видео.html. This a great video on that topic.
This is how I felt about the Fifth Element. It’s even weirder because Milla Jovovich is doing baby talk and is dressed up like a sexualized toddler.
@@Gum_Cuzzler yeah. So weird.
We need a Sardon episode where they talk about the original Godzilla 1954, the American Zilla 1998, the 2014 millennium Godzilla, and Shin Godzilla.
I disagree with your critisim of Taxi drivers, the reason Taxi drivers can't lower their prices is because they have to pay tax (uber doesn't because it lies and says it's not a taxi company) and because Taxi drivers often earn a wage they can live off and if they work for a taxi rank they treat them as employees, they again can't lower their prices. You are bascially asking people to possibly commit tax fraud, give up pension plans, sick leave etc and starve themselves, in the vain hope that uber won't also lower it's drivers wages even more starving them too. This is not too mention Taxi's have standard fair, whereas Uber doesn't meaning that it's actually often more expensive to get an Uber or equivalent, than a traditional Taxi. The app is just seen as more convenient. That's the only way Taxi's could become competitive again, if a third party app existed that got traction and became just a ubiquitous.
Yeah the whole argument that the taxi driving industry is a bad business model is generally flawed because it treats itself as a regulated service industry with wage earning employees. Uber essentially cheats the system and all regulations and treats their commissioned “employees” like trash just they can steal the taxi market
@@frankmerker630 exactly!
I mean I love Adum no homo but it’s hard to sit through some of his takes that stem from him being rather uninformed on a topic
@@frankmerker630 yeah same, luckily doesn't happen too often, I think it just comes from him being a very opinionated dude
Living near the center of a city, I've never actually needed to use uber. Just a 5 minute walk to the main road, and I know a taxi will be along in 1-10 minutes, which as I understand it is faster than any uber.
"Ain't there enough gorillas in New York?" There's actually no reason to be offended by this line - you just have to know the historical context. "Gorilla" at the time was just slang for a big dumb guy. Like, in film noir you'd have the detective tell the villain to "Call off your gorilla". Or the kidnapped heroine would say "Let me go, you big ape." They were talking about white guys, and it wasn't racist.
Mabye
It can go both ways
Eh, it can go both ways but I see your point
@@CatNerfer3000 I mean, that would also be racist lol
That creepy live action IHE at the beginning is gonna haunt my nightmares
Brawl in cell block 99 was a great Vince Vaughn performance
And Dragged Across Concrete
Netflix historically operates in the red, which affects their stock ratings, but their business model really supports that. Unless a sudden mass exodus of subscribers occurs, they can keep at it
Their platform would be perfect if they had better selection...and didn't keep jacking up the price
@@tinyturnip7676 a better selection requires a higher price, essentially. The platform is filled with arguably low quality content because buying universal access to such content through their platform is *very cheap*, so they keep doing it.
I would say their philosophy in that regard is quantity over quality; they would rather you run out of *good* content than let you run out of *all* content. Beyond that, revent Netflix shows like The Witcher or Queen's Gambit are, by most estimates, great and popular series. Such series are not especially cheap to produce, so they need more money to continue with them.
Don't get me started on how inflation naturally forces price hikes incrementally anyway.
@@intelligenceparadigm4931 I've always felt that prime video had more film selection (from past films, not necessarily originals). It's probably because I like the classics.
That fucking insect scene in the 05 film was the only part of the whole thing I still remember, and it traumatized me so much as a wee lad that I'm genuinely surprised I didn't grow up to have severe entomophobia.
As rare as it is I agree with Adam & Alex about Mank. It was filmed masterfully. But there isn't really a story. Barton Fink was a much better film about the golden age of Hollywood.
0:01 Adums shirt has Poggers Cool Cat
I'm sad the guys didn't do a bit more research on the topic of who wrote Citizen Kane. The idea that Mank did it all and then Welles ripped him off was put out by the notorious Pauline Kael in the 70s, but within a few years it had been disproven pretty emphatically. There's a video about this on youtube, called "The controversy behind David Fincher's MANK".
Whatever, every biopic twists the facts of the actual story anyways. Why is this anything new?
i loved the build-up on the boat in the remake, and that they spend more time fleshing out the world before they get to the island
Book recommendation: The Campaign of the Century: Upton Sinclair's Race for Governor of California and the Birth of Media Politics
It's a movie podcast fam
@@leonkuwata4510 provides great context for Mank
@@theboss297 Ah, didn't realize. Thanks!
Will be looking into! I wasn’t surprised by Hearst and Co.’s sabotaging of Sinclair’s attempt at a political career, but I hadn’t known about it until I watched Mank. It’s all very interesting to me.
Guys, it’s illegal for a studio like Disney to open their own theaters because of the Paramount decision in 1948. Disney could be powerful enough to find some way around it, but it’s pretty clearly illegal right now.
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It'd never happen, but having Ben Mankiewicz as a guest on Sardonicast would be interesting.
Ralph, Killing of a Sacred Deer is clearly going for a horror vibe even if not a traditional horror movie. Alex, Mank is set before World War 2; it's a Depression Era piece more than anything else. Hitler was a political figure for around a decade prior to World War 2.
Stop recommending tyt people like I'm literally cringing.
I thought the "ain't we got enough [gorillas] in New York?" line was directed at the guy who was rudely clambering over the woman who said that in her seat?
I think it's very selfish to think streaming is equal to going to the movies. And it's not because directors are insane and think their movies should only be seen on the big screen. It's because of all the people that work in cinema and will lose their jobs. Cinema is not just the writers and the actors and the directors, it's also the people who give you popcorn and show you where your seat is. These people are part of the cinema industry and the cinema experience, and deserve our respect. They deserve to have a job.
If there's no demand in the future, the workers who satisfy that demand will no longer be needed in that position. I personally don't think streaming is equal to going to the movies, I think streaming is far superior to going to the movies.
A large majority of the population doesn’t have the means to even come close to reproducing a movie-going experience at home
@@frankmerker630 That doesn't mean the experience is worth the greatly increased cost and inconvenience.
@@trime547 But it's not worth putting thousands out of job in a society where there are already way too many jobless people either.
Yeah! We should also support and protect the horse and buggy industry so that these new-fangled automobiles don't put them out of business.
The MBO Max release strategy is gonna kill multiple theater rewatches. If I go to the movies and like any of the films they release, I’m not gonna pay to rewatch it again when I can just catch it again on streaming.
Depends. Say you don't have HBO Max and the movie is available for rent, you can probably save some money, since theater tickets can be pretty cheap, unless the theater is far in which gas money kinda ruins that
It doesn't really matter. Covid is going to kill movies for 2021 anyway, so WB figure they can at least use their stockpile to promote the streaming channel.
None of y’all guys seen “Brawl In Cell Block 99”? Good Vince Vaughn
The best pro-life movie there is!
Yeah people of perhaps a particular political persuasion get a massive hard on by hating on S Craig Zahler
Yeah that movie pretty good
He was amazing in it. He was great in Dragged Across Concrete. I hope Mel Gibson gets him for the Wild Bunch remake.
That was quite good
Brits be like: I SAWR a movie
film
This is how they count to four: Won,tee,free,foa.
*mewvie
O' reit lads, twime to go to see a motion pictah
Jesus Adum is so bored discussing Mank. I wasn't going to watch it but hearing how excited Ralph was talking about it has made me change my mind.
For people interested in watching King Kong (1933) based on these guys' recommendation, I'd say try to see it on a big screen. On a laptop or small TV, you just won't get the scope that the film makers intended.
"Its ok, I've got enough magazines"
Do the damn ralph recommends intro!
Today's the 15th anniversary of Peter Jackson's King Kong.
Did you noticed that when Mank is arguing with Orson Welles they cut to Mank arguing with William Hearst?
Mank is arguing with Charles Foster Kane In both time lines. Mank is arguing with citizen Kane in a way.
Woohoo, thanks for answering my question gentlemen!
Kong 2005 is a period piece because Jackson wanted to make a "love letter" to that whole era of Hollywood, hence the leading man character. I also feel like the premise of capturing the only known member of an endangered species and dragging it to the US was pretty dated by 2005. Not that we've been living in harmony with nature for the last 15 years, but you just couldn't pull shit like that and get the same apathetic reaction that you would in the 30s.
1:38:27 you’re really gonna ignore Samuel’s groundbreaking performance as the stoic wooden action figure known as Mace Windu.
The way I see it is that the 1933 original is sort of like the theatrical cut while the 2005 remake is the extended edition of the same story. I just happen to be the guy who likes the EE more
Mank is dank
Mank is dank, especially when its placed in a tank at my local bank which unfortunately sank
@@theboss297 😳
I like how when they made King Kong 1933, they thought they had to show someone getting the idea to use airplanes to get Kong down from the ESB. Really had to spell it out to the audience back then. Was anyone confused about what the planes were doing when they showed up at the end of Kong05?
The reason the new one is set during the 30s is because the early 20th century was a time of adventure and exploration. Much of the world we know today was still alien to westerners, technology like commercial aircraft wasn't available. A place like skull island would still be completely uncharted during that time due to lack of satellite technology. The 30s setting made perfect sense and added a lot to the remake instead of it being a genetic modern day monster flick.
I disagree. A remote island might show up on google earth but be otherwise a complete mystery.
@@ThreadBomb A mystery? During the 21st century? I don't think so. Skull Island is located off the coast of Sumatra which means it would Indonesian territory. They would probably just send the military in or something. During the 30s, that region was under Dutch control.
I think the problem with the HBO MAX thing like Denis Villeneuve puts it is that it will limit the budget even more removing the possibilities of us getting big block busters like DUNE. Also, 4K is getting more affordable in the west, but where I live it's still fucking expensive with a minumum of 7 grand.
Holy shit it’s that expensive? I got a 4K tv for 100 usd
@@Fullmoonat9am I live in Egypt, a "third world country". Not much people care about cinema and the cinematic experience here.
The HBO max announcement isn't going to affect budgets of future movies, because this is just being done because Covid means these movies aren't going to make a profit anyway. If Dune does well in streaming, I have no doubt WB will greenlight a big budget sequel and release it to cinemas.
@@ThreadBomb The problem is the directors are right most people outside Europe and U.S will just torrent it.
Threatres are shockingly expensive in America is like £5-£6 in the UK £8 for a premium theatre.
I first to reply to this comment, also very early
@@NatureQueen. it was, well done
It varies a lot across the country. Not the case where I live, £10+ in Bath, but Cardiff is £4-5
Lol what premium theatres are you talking about? A London IMAX ticket to Wonder Woman 1984 is £25.
I think the subtext to mank is also: give credit to the screenwriter! Which Fincher does by eventually making the screenplay of his father into a film.
Video Recommendation: Royal Ocean Film Society's video about Mank and Orson Welles called The Controversy Behind David Fincher's MANK (or as it should be called Citizen Kael)
It provides more historical nuance to the finale than the movie does.
I would be surprised if Adam knew who Kael is given his I'm Thinking of Ending Things analysis.
Yeah, these guys really need a bit more historical context for these movies. It's like thinking that the movie Amadeus is a realistic portrayal of Mozart and Salieri. Wrong and embarrassing.
About Netflix, some anime you can only watch in Asia and in US and EU the show is premiered months later.
It's been a pretty bizarre situation when netflix released Ad/trailer for an anime that supposed to premiere at 7 December, but turned out it's only in Asia, although the Ad/trailer had English subtitles...
Yeah, the idea that all Netflix content is available everywhere is just ... inaccurate.
Netflix has actually been massively in debt for years, and it's been getting worse and worse for them. Streaming isn't quite as profitable as we think.
Is it going to be gone soon?
Did you drop this episode today on purpose? 15 year anniversary of Jackson’s Kong.
Yeah those bugs scenes was terrifying.
Damn, Ralph taking shots at spoony lol.
One of the reasons studios sometimes stagger the release of a movie around the world is because they may be trying to take advantage of another countries holiday weekend or something else culturally specific that they feel will benefit the film at the box office in that region.
I didn't really think of Mank as a "Love Letter to Old Cinema". It seemed more like a scathing condemnation of the people that made movies back then.
That Neil Breen intro card though.
I have a weak spot for films like king kong 2005 like really long and epic in scope movies, especially long ones 3 hours+
I love watching movies at home (4K HDR 55" screen in a small room feels like a cinema experience, plus I can pause to pee and get popcorn refills) and I was always resentful when I had to go to a cinema to watch a cultural event movie.
Less than 2 years ago I said "I can't wait for cinemas to die so I can just pay to stream these movies at home".....now that's an actual reality and it kinda sucks a little bit.
No cap, i would start a loving relationship with 2005 king kong and we would smash
Quinton Reviews had made a sub milestone where if he reaches it he will do a big review of High School Musical, and I can't help but ask 'why?'. I don't see how he will be able to say anything that no one else has already said.
Adum you forgot my fav line from King Kong 1933 by Charlie... “Scary black man!”
I don't know where Adam gets his info from but Netflix has been in debt until at least the first quarter of 2020. That is how they function to fulfill there investment needs. I assume they are still in debt, though less in debt than they were before.
Netflix is even in more Debt than before lol
This episode still isn't on Spotify.
It's on Spotify?
@@borisaustria4301 yes, thats how I normally listen 😁 this episode is now on spotify
@@danielsmith5318 I looked it up. It's there.
@@borisaustria4301 it's last weeks episode with this episodes title
I thought it was just me, hopefully it will be fixed by next episode.
Jimmy was probably a left over from the original script. I remember reading it, and in it Jack was a pilot.
I really enjoyed the two Craig Zahler films Vince Vaughan is in, especially Brawl in Cell Block 99
Adum's point about Amazon Prime's shitty distribution is spot on. I wouldn't have been able to watch Sound of Metal or Steve McQueen's Small Axe series if it wasn't for today's sponsor, NordVPN.
Im sure someone else has done this but Ive been working on a recut of king kong, I cut out around 50 mins.
Keep going
@@adamgates1142 Thanks man Im actually almost done. The edit needs some more polish but Im liking where its going
The funniest thing about the Asian character from King Kong is that it's very clear he speaks perfect english
When will it be on my podcast app?
I have a prime video subscription but in my country (india) the series SMALL AXE isnt available to stream and i fucking love steve mcqueen and i was so hyped for the series and now i am pirating all the films from the series
If you have access to a VPN they're on BBC iPlayer too
@@theboss297 👍okay 👍 thanks man
Happy to hear about King Kong 1933, I loved it a lot and it's one of my favorite movies. It really makes RKO look like a legendary movie company.
It's an amazing line where she says "I thought you hated women" and he responds "you're not women" and they embrace.
You guys are cucs though.
How are they cucks?
@@randomguy6679 Adum and if I remember correctly Alex as well have that set of views. Ralph might as well.
@@Ro500501502 You didnt answer my question. How are they cucks?
@@randomguy6679 The set of views are cuck views.
@@Ro500501502 Still not answering my question, which means you dont have an answer, which means your making shit up because they dont like the film as much as you do. Got it.
They tried to look for what Peter Jackson did better in the remake and they didn’t even bring up the superior soundtrack.
Kong: Skull Island is actually a really fun movie.
B-but CinemaSins said it was bad? That means it IS bad! Film opinions are objective! You're bias!!! All hail Mauler!
@@HOTD108_ That awkward moment when Mauler tore apart CinemaSins multiple times and he's not above enjoying dumb fun films like Van Helsing...
1:51:25 You could say Black Swan is one of the scariest non-horror film.
You can't really call it horror, even though it uses tonnes of horror elements.
THE BEST....always Sardonicast.
I don’t know why, but this episode is the Run & Naked episode on iTunes podcast, literally thought I had deja vu.
Netflix still in debt
That Sardonicast logo freaks me out. It should have been vector-based. Instead they blew up a jpeg so much, that the pixels are showing.
How unprofessional! I expect more from these guys. ;b
3:20 what kind of perfect fantasy land does Ralph live in lmao, in Australia 50+ inch 4k TVs will cost you upwards of $600, $700 so that can't be right
He must buy his televisions from sketchy dudes on OfferUp.
Everything in Australia gets a ridiculous mark-up.
@@ThreadBomb True but an Aus $700 tv would be like maybe $300-400
Disney is still going to charge for Raya and the Last Dragon :/
Also I just realized this was uploaded the day the movie was released in theaters.
Haha love the intro images
Am i the only one that remembering some gigantic gorilla with some electronic heat or is it just a dream?
Brawl In Cell Block 99 is a pretty good movie with Vince Vaugn in the lead role.
I would hardly call it a love letter to cinema, I see it as a scathing critique of the culture in which these movies are made, and the structures that push this content into our eyes
Mank was really good but to cold for me definitely one of finchers worst
Is this episode available on Spotify for others?
Nope, also still not available on the sardonicast website dunno what's up with that
I waited three days, now I’m watching on RUclips cause it took too long to get on Spotify.