0:00 - Intro 3:25 - Last of Us II 14:56 - Being John Malkovich 52:22 - adaptation. 1:22:35 - Q&A 1:22:52 - Adum reciently mentioned on his bluray collection that The Human Centipede won't be recommended on the podcast since ralph and alex wouldn't want to watch or discuss it. Is it true? 1:24:51 - What are the rules for recommending? 1:26:12 - If you guys would time travel in any point in history, where would you go? 1:33:22 - How do you feel about people that use political or moral biases as ground for critizing film? 1:41:06 - What are some overrated films that you guys can't understand the hype? 1:45:51 - Film recommendation: Do the Right Thing (1989)
They didn’t even mention how in “adaptation.” a Charlie Kaufman movie changes into a Donald Kaufman movie when he asks him to join him in writing, so the third act of this film is written by a fictional character from the same movie.
Yeah I'm super surprised they missed that! Also, despite the ending being riddled with cliches I always found myself literally clapping for Charlie when he calls Meryl Streep's character an "old, fat, pathetic, desperate drug addict." It's the only time in the film we see his character genuinely angry and it serves to illustrate the arc he's achieved in finally being able to show his true feelings. Even though he meant it as parody I still unironically loved it.
CrappyMcDick yes I know that. What I mean is that despite the fact that it was making fun of contrived endings it was done so well it still left an emotional impact on me. It was meant to be funny(and it was) but still had me in feels.
dunno if anyone cares but if you are stoned like me during the covid times then you can watch all of the latest series on Instaflixxer. Been streaming with my brother recently =)
Being John Malkovich couldn't be made today because the small subplot of depressed office workers who'd be willing to shill out $200 to be someone else for 15 minutes would just buy fursuits
@@y0bc0 England is a city, not a race. Also, you can't say the Brit is being "racist" against British culture/products just for acknowledging there are weird aspects or names.
The scene where Donald is discussing his script to Charlie and then Charlie pointing out the flaws of the script made me laugh so hard because all I could think about is how similar Split is to Donald's idea.
I just love when they talk about movies. Like the artistry of them, how their made etc. All three are so professional and are very captivating to listen to when a serious question about movies comes up in sardonicast.
@@bw-xv2rz ahhh yes, I loved it when they conversed about the nuances and creative decisions that solidified the trilogy to be up there as some of the best movies ever to be put on film
I really like what Adam brought to the table with this episode. He made a lot of insightful points about each movie, and you can tell how much he emotionally resonates with them.
Nic Cage playing Charlie Kaufman is still one of his best roles to date. I love Nic regardless whether good or bad, but I always recommend this movie to people when they as me why I love him so much. It was so powerful to see Nic be able to play two different characters especially with the last act. 10/10 movie for sure for me Kaufman is a genius.
I don't know why but I got the idea in my head that Being John Malkovic was literally just 90 minutes of people with Malkovich's face saying "Malkovich." I never watched it because that just seemed incredibly unfunny. No fucking idea why I would think that. But now I watched the film and I'm so glad I did.
I saw an ad for it on tv as a baby and it never left my head and I couldn't figure out what movie it was until earlier this year and boy am I glad I did.
Whenever I watch these podcasts I imagine the three hosts as this - Ralph is sitting there in a nice jumper being all cute with Hendrix on his lap, Adam is sitting up straight in the 6/10 t-shirt just ready and eager to talk, and Alex is wearing a hoodie with the hood down, hands in both pockets and just chilling, chatting down the mic
Donald's screenplay also fits into the directly expressed idea of ALL the characters being one-in-the-same due to the shared process of adaptation. Which also fits into a recurring theme in Kaufman's work that all human lives (every single one) are indistinguishable if you step far back enough.
I saw both Being John Malkovich and Adaptation on the big screen when they came out years upon years ago, in the theater when I was like 14. Time flys.
It’s a shame to hear you guys didn’t like The Last of Us Part 2. I just want to say that it’s my favorite video game story ever, and don’t want anyone to get further discouraged from giving it a chance and forming their own opinion. It’s not an objectively bad story as some commentary surrounding the game will lead you to believe, it’s a story you’ll either love or hate, and if you love it you’ll really love it. Made me cry like a baby. I recommend listening to the Kinda Funny Games podcast with Neil Druckmann and the actors. It’s very insightful and shows that they truly care deeply about the characters and story.
Yo my man im the exact same. Best game ive ever played , really is now legit one of my favourite story’s ever, i thought it was masterfukly written as a whole experience . Thats why i think its rlly dumb people judging the story without even finishing. I too recommend that podcast, every thing i liked about the story choices in the game were pretty much confirmed to be intentional by neil on that podcast.
Happy to hear you loved it as well. It’s a very bold game and everything it does is incredibly intentional. If you open yourself up to the feelings of love, hate and empathy it is designed to instill in you, it’s powerful like no other game.
Same here bro. Best game I’ve ever played. Right up there with the Drakengard/NieR series as far as storytelling goes. Incredible and emotionally impactful.
Funny. I went into bouts of rage and had a long deep rooted sense of disappointment while watching the credits at the end and long after. I adore the atmosphere, the fine tuning of the gameplay mechanics, and the heartfelt performances by the actors but I can’t help but be frustrated with the direction they took this game. I wish I could’ve enjoyed it like you guys but I can’t deal with how insulting the experience felt to me. Nothing wrong with liking the game at all. More power to you
I listen to the podcast with my headphones on, while I go around and do other things, and while I was listening to it the video played an ad that began with a bloodcurdling scream. So I went from listening to YMS talk about John Malkovich, to hearing this horrifying scream and wondering what happened for a second.
I got to meet Malkovich three years ago at one of his theatre plays (The Music Critic) where he made fun of critics, audiences and public figures (including himself of course). I later went to the same place he was having dinner and listened to a discussion he was having with some musicians. He seemed really intereseting and clever. I think he enjoys the fact that people recognize his name so much even if not always in a good light. He was super nice and seemed like the kind of guy who would eventually get onboard on a sort of project like Being John Malkovich. He didn't seem at all like the movie shows him.
Charlie Kaufman is the David foster Wallace of screenwriting... Vast interconnecting characters and narratives, social commentary, post irony and the search to be understood in an increasingly confusing world.
Always makes me smile when Sardonicast pops up. Listening to the bois is a joy. Helps me feel that little bit better , my mind has is not being very kind to me .Just a roller-coaster of crap on top of crap. So the uploads keep my going.ThankYou.
1:42:21 I think that statement from Adam kinda sums up why the Pirates of the Caribbean films fell apart after 1 and arguably 2. The whole fun of the first movie was not the weird mystical elements, though they were certainly interesting, but the fun, lighthearted adventure and pretty clever gags, the well choreographed sword fights and the simple story and characters. Really, the story of the first movie is basically villains need to break a curse on themselves and heroes stop them. That it. Past the first film, suddenly Jack Sparrow became this weird centerpiece to the whole universe and was made so important to the universe as a whole. The stories started to get stupidly complicated with Davy Jones and Calypso and the ancient romance and the curse behind the Flying Dutchman and all the technicalities of everything, etc. It just kept getting worse and worse as it went on
I legitimately adore Dead Man's Chest and how each character had their own motivations that played into the grander story. I actually prefer it to the 1st film. At World's End drops the ball hard, but still has its moments. Stranger Tides is mostly pointless and unremarkable, and 5 is so bad it shouldn't even exist.
Man, I just kinda love the look and music of Pirates 3. It wasnt even that complicated watching it again last year. Though when I watched it in 2007 as a kid I fell asleep. So its probably an objective failure.
My working theory since Eternal Sunshine is that Charlie is trying, through his writing, to reach deeper and deeper into his own mind and then pull, culminating eventually with the world on the inside and his mind on the outside.
Aryavir Sangwan I can understand why Adum didn’t like it. I thought it was alright. I think Adum seems a bit harsh on the movie. Though I haven’t watched it in a while.
Do Eternal Sunshine of Spotless Mind next!!!! Hahahahah rewatching both of them, Being John Malkovich had the tighter directing and structure while Adaption had a solid ensemble and a funny Nicolas Cage without being the overacting Vampire's Kiss we all love.
I'd really love to see Adam go in depth as to why this film connects with so many people but doesn't truly resonate with him, because as someone who doesn't exactly love it either, I do feel it deserves a comprehensive discussion.
@@georgedwwyatt Honestly, I thought he did okay. You can tell he's not the most experienced actor, but I think it's lessened by the fact that his acting fits his character's personality as a kind of average, laid-back every-man who still does things when he feels he has to do them. Also, he gives a heaver amount of screen-time to many of the other actors, so he doesn't dominate or bring down the film from them. But I get why he doesn't star in his films anymore.
I'm the exact opposite. Always been a huge Adaptation fan, but don't like Being John Malkovich. The world is quite a beautiful place with different opinions :)
1:26:12 I’d time travel to Laurel Canyon during the mid 1960s. Was an era of rock music that really intrigues me. And I’d also want to go back to Seattle during the grunge era in the early 1990s
You guys didn’t mention Nicolas Cage’s acting actually being really similar to Charlie Kaufman’s behaviour as you can see from his older interviews. I mean it’s shockingly good and accurate.
In adaptation when Charlie Kaufman (Nic Cage) melts down and calls Susan Orlean (Meryl Strep) a f**king b**ch towards the film's climax I realized that the real Charlie Kaufman made a ton of money to adapt a screenplay out of a book where he calls the original source material creator a f**king b**ch in the screenplay that the real Charlie Kaufman created out of Susan Orelan's original source material where Charlie Kauifman (NIc Cage) melts down and calls Susan Orlean (Meryl Strep) a f**king b**ch toards the film's climax in the screenplay
I never took Cameron Diaz as actually being trans. I thought that was just part of a broader statement that people are more certain of others as vague entities than they are of themselves. People barely seem to know who John Malkovich is and yet they're all lining up to be him. I think what Kaufman was getting at is that the question of our own identity "Who am I?" is so endlessly complicated that it's ultimately impossible to answer. Whereas if you were able to be someone else, let's just say John Malkovich, then the absurdly simple answer to that question is suddenly just "John Malkovich".
Adaptation is brilliant. I really liked Being John Malkovich but I found it much harder to connect to. The characters are all pretty dislikable in contrast to Adaptation, which I know is kind of the point but it just didn’t give me the same feel that Adaptation did. Not to take away from BJM (which is still great) but I think Adaptation had a story that was way more of my thing and refined many of the issues I had with BJM; feeling a lot more in line with Kaufman’s later work.
Bugs Bunny true but John cusack’s character and Diaz’s character were both manipulated and experienced major consequences in some way but Maxine didn’t get any. I liked that about the film, just making the point. But yes they’re all terrible, more realistic.
Maybexcept for Philip Seymour Hoffman in Synecdoche, New York, almost all main characters of Charlie Kaufman written films are basically either Charlie Kaufman or the fictional twin.
Adam has talked about it before like in his 2020 blu ray collection video, calling it one of his favourite movies of all time Edit: they talk about it here 1:20:53
When it comes to the Last of us 2, ppl are mad about the ending mostly and wish you did something different but if you did do the thing they wanted it would literally defeat the purpose of the entire story and go against the main theme completely.
Yeah well it's kind of a problem when you prioritize themes over what would actually make sense, like they could've still portrayed Ellie feeling regret and emptiness after killing her and it would've been in line with the themes still, but the way she just lets her go in the middle of a fight to death just felt awkward and forced imo.
The controversial ending of Three Billboards (spoilers) is that they are going to potentially kill someone who wasn't responsible for everything, but based on a gut feeling they are sure he has raped someone. It's left open to whether they did it, or just drive for a bit and turn around. If you are a grown-up, you understand these are realistic people that do realistic things, and life's not pretty, but maybe they did the right thing...
No I want closure and a happy ending and absolutely no moral grey in my film's ever. Racists aren't humans that are ignorant that can possibly change for the better, their monsters without exception.
Another great bit from that Roger Ebert review Adam mentioned is him coining the phrase "ominoise" for when a movie is just insufferably ominous with its sound design.
Basically, the Three Billboards controversy was about the Sam Rockwell deputy character, and that the screenplay treated him as three-dimensional character rather than a one-dimensional baddie. IMO, that part of the story was about the deputy trying to do one good, competent thing in his mixed-up life. And the criticism came off as trying to triangulate Martin McDonagh's script into a conventional Hollywood movie about racial conflict. Which, especially if you've read anything else he's ever written, was obviously not his intention. Movie Bob and Renegade Cut did videos of their criticisms, but to me they came off as a lot of projection of what was not there.
BJM is about Control Adaptation is about Storytelling Synechedoche New York is about Death Anomalisa is about Connection Wonder what I'm Thinking of Ending Things will be thematically about (I've read the book but I'm not sure how it'll deviate).
Regarding the musical score of The Last of Us Part II, I do think that the first game had overall better, and more impactful music, and I think it was great because it was only 1 person doing the music, while here there were two (the other was Mac Quayle from Mr. Robot), I do think that Part II had some really great new additions that use the same kind of instruments. But it's important to understand that this game's story and tone are both much darker and different, thus the same soundtrack wouldn't have worked with this game. There is some haunting shit in this, so I think Gustavo still knows what he's doing.
Máté Szűcs i actually prefer part 2 score over first game i agree it fits the more darker tone. Mac Quayle is a great addition too, rlly love “the cycle of violence” its used really effectively in one scene specifically imo. Still tho , Gustavo is fantastic. Such a great score.
Yea I dont feel the criticism again the music at all. I didnt think either game had particularly memorable music outside of a few moments. Most of it is just really well executed background setting that enhances the emotions that are coming from elsewhere. And I appreciate that the music is trying to force the emotions less often than TLOU1 which did have maybe 3 scenes like that. Also it's insane for Adam to at all be calling this 6+ year project rushed. Especially because there were less optional items in the first room or whatever? That's crazy. But whenever these guys try to talk about video games it's a little irritating.
Thanatos388 yeah man i agree , i think its incredibly polished and like who care like you cant interact with stuff in ellies room this time around??? Like you can still look at some stuff in her room , some good detail actually like sams toy from first game and pictures of ellie jesse and dina amd stuff. However though , i think both games have great scores that fit specifically for the story being told . Part 2 score is much darker and dirty sounding which fits the theme of hate and stuff, whereas first games score fits the games story about a man reconnecting with his humanity and alos the theme of love its much more like idk optimistic and poignant sounding , and ofc part 2 has its very poignant moments too within the score for sure. Point is tho , copying first games score wouldnt work for part 2 , and it just seemed like the sardonicast boys ( as well as the majority of people regarding story too) wanted a copy of first game . Rlly is a shame how most people seem to just want new ellie amd joel happy fun time adventure when that would just ruin tue first game and not fit thematically
@@anonymous4k4k And the idea that they paid Gustavo less I think goes out the window of you know that they scanned him and put him in the game this time. That doesnt seem like a gesture you would make if you were paying them less and didnt care about the work that person was doing. Edit: Also I'm playing through the TLOU2 again tonight and Adam is just dead wrong on there being no individual conversations and moments to observe in the town.
@@anonymous4k4k Mac Quayle's score fits for the intense scenes and my favourite part in the game is probably Hillcrest, and his music for that part is one of the reasons why I love it so much.
Fuck I love adaptation so much. Very influential for me late high school and early university days. Edit: also, the first time I took mushrooms my friend thought it would be funny to see my reaction to watching Being John Malkovich.
I like an early scene in BJM, when Craig, via puppets, rehearses a - well received - explanation of his love for his craft to puppet Maxine. He then repeats the exact words to the real Maxine just to be utterly dumped and it's amazing.
Grosse Pointe Blank is one of the few movies I would call perfect, and John Cusack is the lead in that one. I think he has an energy signature that makes him great for certain roles.
U guys should watch and talk about high fidelity at some point just based off the fact that Jack Black Sings "Let's Get It On". One of jack blacks best performances for sure.
That movie was so big when it came out out and no one talks about it anymore. Idk I think a lot people didn't really like it they just thought it was interesting.
Nic Cage as Charlie Kaufmann is the most frighteningly relatable performance I've ever seen
0:00 - Intro
3:25 - Last of Us II
14:56 - Being John Malkovich
52:22 - adaptation.
1:22:35 - Q&A
1:22:52 - Adum reciently mentioned on his bluray collection that The Human Centipede won't be recommended on the podcast since ralph and alex wouldn't want to watch or discuss it. Is it true?
1:24:51 - What are the rules for recommending?
1:26:12 - If you guys would time travel in any point in history, where would you go?
1:33:22 - How do you feel about people that use political or moral biases as ground for critizing film?
1:41:06 - What are some overrated films that you guys can't understand the hype?
1:45:51 - Film recommendation: Do the Right Thing (1989)
thanks
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FINALLY! A Spike Lee movie (and one of the best films of the 20th Century)
Why do they not put these in the description anymore?
They didn’t even mention how in “adaptation.” a Charlie Kaufman movie changes into a Donald Kaufman movie when he asks him to join him in writing, so the third act of this film is written by a fictional character from the same movie.
That is actually a brilliant take! So many aspects to really dissect with that film.
Woah... Kaufman-ception
They didn't talk about it very long, but it was mentioned at some point
Yeah I'm super surprised they missed that! Also, despite the ending being riddled with cliches I always found myself literally clapping for Charlie when he calls Meryl Streep's character an "old, fat, pathetic, desperate drug addict." It's the only time in the film we see his character genuinely angry and it serves to illustrate the arc he's achieved in finally being able to show his true feelings. Even though he meant it as parody I still unironically loved it.
CrappyMcDick yes I know that. What I mean is that despite the fact that it was making fun of contrived endings it was done so well it still left an emotional impact on me. It was meant to be funny(and it was) but still had me in feels.
You guys totally missed the opportunity to have all your faces changed to John Malkovich this episode
I think that opportunity would be better realised in an Anomalisa episode.
Yeah they should just have that old dude do all three of their voices
dunno if anyone cares but if you are stoned like me during the covid times then you can watch all of the latest series on Instaflixxer. Been streaming with my brother recently =)
@Kashton Sebastian yea, have been watching on Instaflixxer for years myself :)
Being John Malkovich couldn't be made today because the small subplot of depressed office workers who'd be willing to shill out $200 to be someone else for 15 minutes would just buy fursuits
i had a friend who p much exactly fits that description
"Being Dwayne Johnson" was already made, but they called it "Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle"
And now Little Rock, or whatever it's called lol.
Can't wait to see this years upcoming remake: Being Keanu Reeves
a certified reddit classic!
Woah.
Alex always describes U.K things like they come from an alien planet
I get it. Feel similarly when I watch salad fingers...
okay lowkey kinda racist
@@y0bc0 ?
@@y0bc0 England is a city, not a race. Also, you can't say the Brit is being "racist" against British culture/products just for acknowledging there are weird aspects or names.
@@SapientGalaxy yeah England is a city, right
This podcast always feels like Adum is dragging Ralph and Alex into his meme world
Adum really needs to grow the fuck up for someone who's pushing 30.
@@youtaughtmehowtolive out of curiosity what do you mean? Seems like he's doing fine for himself as it is.
Dude, you gotta try getting Charlie Kaufman on the podcast when his new movie comes out. How amazing would that be.
I feel that’s a little high to reach for but it can be done.
Right on it!
Lmfao are you Sober or what 😆
They should also totally get Lady Gaga on the podcast
Maybe they can get the Joker too!
Well charlie kaufman does like adam's analysis of synecdoche.
a Charlie Kaufman-devoted Sardonicast?
*my life is officially COMPLETE*
The scene where Donald is discussing his script to Charlie and then Charlie pointing out the flaws of the script made me laugh so hard because all I could think about is how similar Split is to Donald's idea.
I just love when they talk about movies. Like the artistry of them, how their made etc. All three are so professional and are very captivating to listen to when a serious question about movies comes up in sardonicast.
My favorite episode of them being serious is the madagascar trilogy
@@bw-xv2rz ahhh yes, I loved it when they conversed about the nuances and creative decisions that solidified the trilogy to be up there as some of the best movies ever to be put on film
I really like what Adam brought to the table with this episode. He made a lot of insightful points about each movie, and you can tell how much he emotionally resonates with them.
Nic Cage playing Charlie Kaufman is still one of his best roles to date. I love Nic regardless whether good or bad, but I always recommend this movie to people when they as me why I love him so much. It was so powerful to see Nic be able to play two different characters especially with the last act. 10/10 movie for sure for me Kaufman is a genius.
I don't know why but I got the idea in my head that Being John Malkovic was literally just 90 minutes of people with Malkovich's face saying "Malkovich." I never watched it because that just seemed incredibly unfunny. No fucking idea why I would think that.
But now I watched the film and I'm so glad I did.
Hahahaha I watched it when I was like 12 Lets just say I need to see it again
I saw an ad for it on tv as a baby and it never left my head and I couldn't figure out what movie it was until earlier this year and boy am I glad I did.
Whenever I watch these podcasts I imagine the three hosts as this - Ralph is sitting there in a nice jumper being all cute with Hendrix on his lap, Adam is sitting up straight in the 6/10 t-shirt just ready and eager to talk, and Alex is wearing a hoodie with the hood down, hands in both pockets and just chilling, chatting down the mic
No, ralph's in the bottom of the mariana trench, adum's riding a horse backwards, and alex is in his minion costume chilling.
If Ralph couldn’t make it as a filmmaker, he could perfectly work in the 7 and a half floor.
He wouldn't even have to crouch
Donald's screenplay also fits into the directly expressed idea of ALL the characters being one-in-the-same due to the shared process of adaptation. Which also fits into a recurring theme in Kaufman's work that all human lives (every single one) are indistinguishable if you step far back enough.
Adum about recommending the Human Centipede: "So you are telling me there is a chance"
I saw both Being John Malkovich and Adaptation on the big screen when they came out years upon years ago, in the theater when I was like 14. Time flys.
To clarify, "Fairy Liquid" is a brand. The general product is called "Washing up Liquid".
CALL IT DISH SOAP YOU %#!?@&$!
(I’m gonna call it Fairy Liquid from now on!)
@@atticusrex9468 Calling it "Fairy Liquid" would be inaccurate if it isn't Fairy but you do you I guess.
@@FortoFight I use that brand
I can imagine Adam accidentally making a time loop where he is responsible for the bitcoin crash.
What happened to Bitcoin? I vaguely know it was some dumb currency thing but I missed that cultural filler arc.
It’s a shame to hear you guys didn’t like The Last of Us Part 2. I just want to say that it’s my favorite video game story ever, and don’t want anyone to get further discouraged from giving it a chance and forming their own opinion. It’s not an objectively bad story as some commentary surrounding the game will lead you to believe, it’s a story you’ll either love or hate, and if you love it you’ll really love it. Made me cry like a baby. I recommend listening to the Kinda Funny Games podcast with Neil Druckmann and the actors. It’s very insightful and shows that they truly care deeply about the characters and story.
Yo my man im the exact same. Best game ive ever played , really is now legit one of my favourite story’s ever, i thought it was masterfukly written as a whole experience . Thats why i think its rlly dumb people judging the story without even finishing. I too recommend that podcast, every thing i liked about the story choices in the game were pretty much confirmed to be intentional by neil on that podcast.
The last 30 minutes literally made me sob like a baby
Happy to hear you loved it as well. It’s a very bold game and everything it does is incredibly intentional. If you open yourself up to the feelings of love, hate and empathy it is designed to instill in you, it’s powerful like no other game.
Same here bro. Best game I’ve ever played. Right up there with the Drakengard/NieR series as far as storytelling goes. Incredible and emotionally impactful.
Funny. I went into bouts of rage and had a long deep rooted sense of disappointment while watching the credits at the end and long after. I adore the atmosphere, the fine tuning of the gameplay mechanics, and the heartfelt performances by the actors but I can’t help but be frustrated with the direction they took this game. I wish I could’ve enjoyed it like you guys but I can’t deal with how insulting the experience felt to me. Nothing wrong with liking the game at all. More power to you
I listen to the podcast with my headphones on, while I go around and do other things, and while I was listening to it the video played an ad that began with a bloodcurdling scream. So I went from listening to YMS talk about John Malkovich, to hearing this horrifying scream and wondering what happened for a second.
“It’s like, technology vs horse”
As a Jarling, I can attest to Alex being ready to just say "Malkovich" for 30 minutes.
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I got to meet Malkovich three years ago at one of his theatre plays (The Music Critic) where he made fun of critics, audiences and public figures (including himself of course). I later went to the same place he was having dinner and listened to a discussion he was having with some musicians. He seemed really intereseting and clever. I think he enjoys the fact that people recognize his name so much even if not always in a good light. He was super nice and seemed like the kind of guy who would eventually get onboard on a sort of project like Being John Malkovich. He didn't seem at all like the movie shows him.
it's almost as if actors can act as a dramatized version of themselves.
Charlie Kaufman is the David foster Wallace of screenwriting... Vast interconnecting characters and narratives, social commentary, post irony and the search to be understood in an increasingly confusing world.
Always makes me smile when Sardonicast pops up. Listening to the bois is a joy. Helps me feel that little bit better , my mind has is not being very kind to me .Just a roller-coaster of crap on top of crap. So the uploads keep my going.ThankYou.
1:42:21 I think that statement from Adam kinda sums up why the Pirates of the Caribbean films fell apart after 1 and arguably 2.
The whole fun of the first movie was not the weird mystical elements, though they were certainly interesting, but the fun, lighthearted adventure and pretty clever gags, the well choreographed sword fights and the simple story and characters. Really, the story of the first movie is basically villains need to break a curse on themselves and heroes stop them. That it.
Past the first film, suddenly Jack Sparrow became this weird centerpiece to the whole universe and was made so important to the universe as a whole. The stories started to get stupidly complicated with Davy Jones and Calypso and the ancient romance and the curse behind the Flying Dutchman and all the technicalities of everything, etc. It just kept getting worse and worse as it went on
I legitimately adore Dead Man's Chest and how each character had their own motivations that played into the grander story. I actually prefer it to the 1st film. At World's End drops the ball hard, but still has its moments. Stranger Tides is mostly pointless and unremarkable, and 5 is so bad it shouldn't even exist.
Man, I just kinda love the look and music of Pirates 3. It wasnt even that complicated watching it again last year. Though when I watched it in 2007 as a kid I fell asleep. So its probably an objective failure.
My working theory since Eternal Sunshine is that Charlie is trying, through his writing, to reach deeper and deeper into his own mind and then pull, culminating eventually with the world on the inside and his mind on the outside.
So like Synecdoche, where everything surrounding the character is just an externalisation of his inner conflicts.
His book Antkind is released this month or next it looks batshit crazy in the best kaufman way.
@@paulelroy6650 Thanks for the heads up! Got my preorder in.
@@chrisdunn6096 good lad
like the guy from cure
I want to get into Adums mind and make him recommend Creep.
Duskplains I’ve been meaning to watch it on Netflix sometime. Is it any good?
Aryavir Sangwan I can understand why Adum didn’t like it. I thought it was alright. I think Adum seems a bit harsh on the movie. Though I haven’t watched it in a while.
I just watched that, I really liked it
creep is far from a good movie
@@aryavirsangwan6837 i just watched the first and second on netflix. i liked the first one but the second was much more enjoyable for me
Well, us Brits refer "dish soap" as "Washing up liquid". It's just that "Fairy Liquid" is one of the top brands of washing up liquid in the UK.
No shade, but I feel like calling dish soap “washing up liquid” is the same concept as calling socks “foot covering cloths.”
Do Eternal Sunshine of Spotless Mind next!!!! Hahahahah rewatching both of them, Being John Malkovich had the tighter directing and structure while Adaption had a solid ensemble and a funny Nicolas Cage without being the overacting Vampire's Kiss we all love.
Can’t wait for the Do the Right Thing discussion.
I'd really love to see Adam go in depth as to why this film connects with so many people but doesn't truly resonate with him, because as someone who doesn't exactly love it either, I do feel it deserves a comprehensive discussion.
@@georgekenwardparker2575 Aside from it being too long and maybe it not being personally relatable, I'm not sure what he'd not like about it.
Hopingover Leavesinfall I personally love the film, but one thing that holds it back for me is Spike Lee’s lacklustre performance
@@georgedwwyatt Honestly, I thought he did okay. You can tell he's not the most experienced actor, but I think it's lessened by the fact that his acting fits his character's personality as a kind of average, laid-back every-man who still does things when he feels he has to do them. Also, he gives a heaver amount of screen-time to many of the other actors, so he doesn't dominate or bring down the film from them. But I get why he doesn't star in his films anymore.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 he's mentioned it as being repetitive to him before.
Being John Malkovich is my second favorite Malkovich
Is the first the mildly disturbed Malkovich in bird box?
@@moomoo1200 why did he ever agree to be in that movie?
I've always been a big "Being John Malkovich" fan, but never was a big adaptation fan.
I only ever watched it once, maybe time to give it another go.
I'm the exact opposite. Always been a huge Adaptation fan, but don't like Being John Malkovich. The world is quite a beautiful place with different opinions :)
I love being john Malkovich butni think adaptation is the better made film.
1:26:12 I’d time travel to Laurel Canyon during the mid 1960s. Was an era of rock music that really intrigues me. And I’d also want to go back to Seattle during the grunge era in the early 1990s
Can't believe the boys didn't mention The Ice Harvest when talking about Cusack, god-tier christmas mood piece
Excited for this one! Man I'd love for you guys to do a double feature episode for A Brighter Summer Day and Yi Yi both by Edward Yang.
yes. do it, you hacks
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HOLY SHEESH THATS MINE.
You guys didn’t mention Nicolas Cage’s acting actually being really similar to Charlie Kaufman’s behaviour as you can see from his older interviews. I mean it’s shockingly good and accurate.
Being John Malkovich is my favorite movie. Appreciate this recommendation.
Alex acting like we brits call dish soap fairy liquid when we dont, we call it washing up liquid, fairy liquid is a brand.
In adaptation when Charlie Kaufman (Nic Cage) melts down and calls Susan Orlean (Meryl Strep) a f**king b**ch towards the film's climax I realized that the real Charlie Kaufman made a ton of money to adapt a screenplay out of a book where he calls the original source material creator a f**king b**ch in the screenplay that the real Charlie Kaufman created out of Susan Orelan's original source material where Charlie Kauifman (NIc Cage) melts down and calls Susan Orlean (Meryl Strep) a f**king b**ch toards the film's climax in the screenplay
I never took Cameron Diaz as actually being trans. I thought that was just part of a broader statement that people are more certain of others as vague entities than they are of themselves. People barely seem to know who John Malkovich is and yet they're all lining up to be him. I think what Kaufman was getting at is that the question of our own identity "Who am I?" is so endlessly complicated that it's ultimately impossible to answer. Whereas if you were able to be someone else, let's just say John Malkovich, then the absurdly simple answer to that question is suddenly just "John Malkovich".
Yeah
High Tension is the French movie Adam was talking about.
Damn. The fan art looking real good this video.
“Kaufmanizm” is my new favourite word lmao
It's nice to hear someone say they aren't the biggest fan of TLOU2 without going full chud. Keep up the good work guys
Chud? Is this the new idiotic insult I can't keep up
@@ijustgotreallystoned638 chud hasn't been new for years
Ya but now it’s being used by kids on the internet with anime avatars
Hurray!
You guys should watch "True Stories" by David Byrne. Also I had no idea about L.K
She's a friend of mine of sorts
One of the greatest double features in film.
These two films are awesome companion pieces.
Most definitely!
Do the good the bad and the ugly at some point
The whole dollars trilogy
Adaptation is brilliant. I really liked Being John Malkovich but I found it much harder to connect to. The characters are all pretty dislikable in contrast to Adaptation, which I know is kind of the point but it just didn’t give me the same feel that Adaptation did. Not to take away from BJM (which is still great) but I think Adaptation had a story that was way more of my thing and refined many of the issues I had with BJM; feeling a lot more in line with Kaufman’s later work.
Adam talks about Being John Malkovich the podcast
Somehow, i didn't like how the villain in Malkovich,Maxine,gets her happy ending.
They're all vilains
Bugs Bunny true but John cusack’s character and Diaz’s character were both manipulated and experienced major consequences in some way but Maxine didn’t get any. I liked that about the film, just making the point. But yes they’re all terrible, more realistic.
@@seedah still maxine was the most villainous, and probably least likeable of the main 3.
Maybexcept for Philip Seymour Hoffman in Synecdoche, New York, almost all main characters of Charlie Kaufman written films are basically either Charlie Kaufman or the fictional twin.
In all fairness that's the case for a ton of writers like Hemingway, James Joyce, Woody Allen Charlotte Bronte, Truffaut... Write what you know yknow.
Anomalisa is produced by... starburns?
I knew he was a writer and producer for community, but didn't know he was an artsy film producer, nice!
im certain he had nothing to do with it, he just gave money
@@gumshake689 thats not really the role of producers hahahah
I really wish they did eternal sunshine. Kaufmans best work in my opinion
Adam has talked about it before like in his 2020 blu ray collection video, calling it one of his favourite movies of all time
Edit: they talk about it here 1:20:53
When it comes to the Last of us 2, ppl are mad about the ending mostly and wish you did something different but if you did do the thing they wanted it would literally defeat the purpose of the entire story and go against the main theme completely.
Yeah just because it was intentionally unsatisfying doesn't make it good. That's just pretentious.
Yeah well it's kind of a problem when you prioritize themes over what would actually make sense, like they could've still portrayed Ellie feeling regret and emptiness after killing her and it would've been in line with the themes still, but the way she just lets her go in the middle of a fight to death just felt awkward and forced imo.
Damn you really hit me with the creep comment. I fucking love it and its sequel lol
Does Alex not know that fairy liquid is a brand the actual product?
Do the Right Thing is one of the best ever, can't wait for that discussion
Also incredibly pertinent
Can some please make a parody Sardonicast episode with the boys just saying "Malkovitch" for an hour and a half
The controversial ending of Three Billboards (spoilers) is that they are going to potentially kill someone who wasn't responsible for everything, but based on a gut feeling they are sure he has raped someone. It's left open to whether they did it, or just drive for a bit and turn around. If you are a grown-up, you understand these are realistic people that do realistic things, and life's not pretty, but maybe they did the right thing...
No I want closure and a happy ending and absolutely no moral grey in my film's ever. Racists aren't humans that are ignorant that can possibly change for the better, their monsters without exception.
@Daniel Young something that is learned can be unlearned and replaced with a new behavior, outlook, view, or ideal.
Fairy liquid is the specific brand we normally call it washing up liquid.
Thank you.
Alex out here making us sound even worse. Haha
I think the way adum feels about being john malkovich movie is pretty amazing.
Does this mean we will see a conclusion to Synecdoche, New York?
Hopefully, it's been 17 years!
Another great bit from that Roger Ebert review Adam mentioned is him coining the phrase "ominoise" for when a movie is just insufferably ominous with its sound design.
This is the best episode of Sardonicast.
Basically, the Three Billboards controversy was about the Sam Rockwell deputy character, and that the screenplay treated him as three-dimensional character rather than a one-dimensional baddie. IMO, that part of the story was about the deputy trying to do one good, competent thing in his mixed-up life. And the criticism came off as trying to triangulate Martin McDonagh's script into a conventional Hollywood movie about racial conflict. Which, especially if you've read anything else he's ever written, was obviously not his intention. Movie Bob and Renegade Cut did videos of their criticisms, but to me they came off as a lot of projection of what was not there.
Watched these two movies 3 months later because of this podcast. Thanks boys.
BJM is about Control
Adaptation is about Storytelling
Synechedoche New York is about Death
Anomalisa is about Connection
Wonder what I'm Thinking of Ending Things will be thematically about (I've read the book but I'm not sure how it'll deviate).
Seen it. It's about Memories.
When will alex reccomend cornetto trilogy
I FUCKING KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE INTRO
Fairy is a brand of washing up liquid but a lot of people here use the 2 interchangeably. Similar to how we say hoover instead of vacuum
washing up liquid is still honestly a hilarious phrase, it's like calling gas "car driving liquid"
Probably my favourite line in Being John Malkovich is Craig saying 'who's to say I won't be seeing what you're seeing... in court?'
Spike Jonze is amazing and Charlie Kaufman is a cool cat too
Regarding the musical score of The Last of Us Part II, I do think that the first game had overall better, and more impactful music, and I think it was great because it was only 1 person doing the music, while here there were two (the other was Mac Quayle from Mr. Robot), I do think that Part II had some really great new additions that use the same kind of instruments. But it's important to understand that this game's story and tone are both much darker and different, thus the same soundtrack wouldn't have worked with this game. There is some haunting shit in this, so I think Gustavo still knows what he's doing.
Máté Szűcs i actually prefer part 2 score over first game i agree it fits the more darker tone. Mac Quayle is a great addition too, rlly love “the cycle of violence” its used really effectively in one scene specifically imo. Still tho , Gustavo is fantastic. Such a great score.
Yea I dont feel the criticism again the music at all. I didnt think either game had particularly memorable music outside of a few moments. Most of it is just really well executed background setting that enhances the emotions that are coming from elsewhere. And I appreciate that the music is trying to force the emotions less often than TLOU1 which did have maybe 3 scenes like that.
Also it's insane for Adam to at all be calling this 6+ year project rushed. Especially because there were less optional items in the first room or whatever? That's crazy. But whenever these guys try to talk about video games it's a little irritating.
Thanatos388 yeah man i agree , i think its incredibly polished and like who care like you cant interact with stuff in ellies room this time around??? Like you can still look at some stuff in her room , some good detail actually like sams toy from first game and pictures of ellie jesse and dina amd stuff.
However though , i think both games have great scores that fit specifically for the story being told . Part 2 score is much darker and dirty sounding which fits the theme of hate and stuff, whereas first games score fits the games story about a man reconnecting with his humanity and alos the theme of love its much more like idk optimistic and poignant sounding , and ofc part 2 has its very poignant moments too within the score for sure. Point is tho , copying first games score wouldnt work for part 2 , and it just seemed like the sardonicast boys ( as well as the majority of people regarding story too) wanted a copy of first game . Rlly is a shame how most people seem to just want new ellie amd joel happy fun time adventure when that would just ruin tue first game and not fit thematically
@@anonymous4k4k And the idea that they paid Gustavo less I think goes out the window of you know that they scanned him and put him in the game this time. That doesnt seem like a gesture you would make if you were paying them less and didnt care about the work that person was doing.
Edit: Also I'm playing through the TLOU2 again tonight and Adam is just dead wrong on there being no individual conversations and moments to observe in the town.
@@anonymous4k4k Mac Quayle's score fits for the intense scenes and my favourite part in the game is probably Hillcrest, and his music for that part is one of the reasons why I love it so much.
With all this talk of time travel, I wonder if any of them have seen Dark
Did i see a frame of Alex as Joker? XDXD
Someone should create a Being John Malkovich VR game. Where you can just see everything through his eyes
Fuck I love adaptation so much. Very influential for me late high school and early university days.
Edit: also, the first time I took mushrooms my friend thought it would be funny to see my reaction to watching Being John Malkovich.
I like an early scene in BJM, when Craig, via puppets, rehearses a - well received - explanation of his love for his craft to puppet Maxine. He then repeats the exact words to the real Maxine just to be utterly dumped and it's amazing.
Fans also speculated that Charlie Kaufman helped write High Tension, the movie that sounds very similar to Donald Kaufman's in Adaptation.
I'm honestly curious if Adam would even review "Antkind" by Charlie Kaufman, his first published book.
How is it?
I’d like to go back to the Roaring 1920s.
Sameer Kumar thanks for letting us know sameer.
A Very Charlie Kaufman Sardonicast
my three favorite film youtubers all in one convenient pile of content
John Cusack played Nixon in "The Butler"
Ralph quoting Im thinking of Ending things without knowing it 1:13:37
BROOOO WTF
Grosse Pointe Blank is one of the few movies I would call perfect, and John Cusack is the lead in that one. I think he has an energy signature that makes him great for certain roles.
The original song was by New Order called True Faith.
Anyone else hyped on khuafmans novel?
You guys need to do an episode on movies starring actors playing themselves.
U guys should watch and talk about high fidelity at some point just based off the fact that Jack Black Sings "Let's Get It On". One of jack blacks best performances for sure.
That movie was so big when it came out out and no one talks about it anymore. Idk I think a lot people didn't really like it they just thought it was interesting.
Being John Malcovich?
What the fuck is yms going on about at around 7:30, idk what game he’s playing.
Has Alex ever pointed out that WE originated the language? For shame haha